Well, yeah, but it is not like nobody is ever going back into the building again. Someone will eventually go investigate and they may find her and get her out.
@@pdealba18 It would take some time for people to find out and then weld the door open. I guess she could stay alive by eating the remains of her colleagues. Plus I'm pretty sure the place Homelander was raised in is a top secret and requires high clearance to enter no matter what the situation, something few people are granted. Not like an electrician is gonna stumble in and discover all that.
Due to fear, Barbara was instigator of all atrocities on Homelander. They treated him as product, not as kid. But it made worse and they created a monster. Barbera thought Homelander will kill her, but he kept her alive, to live in same agony they kept him everyday.
Yeah, and it's poetic in a way since she after he called it 'the Bad Room', she said "It's just a Room". By locking her in, he both showed discipline in not killing her, while also not really sparing her to keep her alive - just locking her in and showing the same indifference he was shown by the lab. Now it can be the 'Bad Room' for both of them.
@johnlewis9855 I don't think that's ever actually specified in the show though,is it? The only people that he "let's live" because they don't fear him are the people he can't just one shot with a laser
@@Mykhiluangelo nah, he didn't kill Stan when he diminished him to just a tool to make money, disregarding his feelings. In comics was more brutal, and Homelander leaves like a powerless kid, because Stan isn't a bit threatened by him. Same with Hughie when he confronts Homelander, showing no fear of him.
@Skdiehsudue1 I think people are aware that Honelander is a terrible person. They just support him killing the scientists or at least the people in this episode because they are the ones who made him become so horrible in the first place (the ones who died in the Bad Room probably didn't experiment on him, yes, but they are still connected in a way I suppose. Or perhaps their deaths weren't deserved, and Homelander just killed them for the sake of Barbara)
@@ci7210i held hope that A-Train's sleep deprived due to him doing actual saving all night. That said, he wouldn't know of this facility, let alone save the people inside. Reggie deserved his redemption.
homelander can't kill her or stan edgar because of that deep psychological work they did on him, but he broke free enough to do this (even though he couldn't kill her, she is 50% chances of dying theere, imagine the smell or if noone comes for her) I think edgar is in danger now
@@shivamjha5578 At the moment but noe that he's gone back to where it started and worked through this trauma he'll be more dangerous and potentially more functional
They did treat him like a human being. Human beings are horrible to each other. Revenge is the most basic of human instincts and really only humans engage in violence for the sake of revenge. Barbara treats everyone like a lab experiment because she is permanently detached from her emotions and I suspect this was the only reason Homelander didn't kill her. Because she is detached emotionally, he wouldn't get the same kick out of killing her that he did with the other two. She doesn't fear death because she's stunted emotionally and this takes a bit of leverage from Homelander. By killing everyone in front of her, he's hoping she'll crack and show some emotion, but she doesn't. She won this round between them, despite the loss of her colleagues and even if she does die, she didn't let him see her crack. Not like how the other two went out, Frank and uh..Squirt.
@@cassidystarchild7907So you are telling me that you are locked up in a room alone with nothing to do for hours and get tortured on a daily basis? Being treated like a human being means having freedom, it's not as if everyone in the store is trying to kill you or test on you, it's not like everyone on the street is scared of you, that is not being treated like a human being that is being treated as a wild animal.
@@cassidystarchild7907Okay, no offense but you sound like a lone boomer who has only seen the world through the eyes of social media. Like there are always good and bad people out there. Yes there are extremely horrific humans living out there but there also angelic ones. For the second, she didn't win at all. By letting her live and killing others, he proved that he no longer craves for their validation and approval. He killed all his creators and left the lady to tell the tale that nothing holds back Homelander anymore. No desperation for approval or love
@@kennnnn fr like i swear people who be that way act as if some animals dont be just as cruel. Cruelty is not a product of humanity, it is a product of sentience.
Youre not a true gooner then, if i saw homelander with his big blue eyes sitting infront of me giving me motivation id be harder than a diamond i wouldnt last 1 second
It's crazy to hear that Homelander would never be the way he is if he wasn't abused and tested so much. If he actually had a mother/father figure, he basically would have been raised like superman.
He's born already when SB's in nicaragua, that's not saying much but as much as a douche/bully SB is i feel like he'd raise Homelander better than Vought ever could.
But what makes Superman… Superman is humility. The Kents raised him like a regular ass farm boy, while Homelander still would’ve been gassed up in his youth about being the next big thing. Just giving him a home doesn’t do much. And actually creating a whole set up where good parents can instill him with moral values just doesn’t end up with the right product for Vought.
The best part of this whole scene for me was home lander believing throwing paper into the trash was a game. Kind of shows how traumatic and isolated he was his whole childhood.
Some people say this truly horrible upbringing excuses the things he does... and tbh I think they sort of have a point. Homelander feels more like a force of nature that's trapped in survival mode more than anything else🤷♂️ Is someone like Homelander really responsible for his actions? I'm not so sure he truly is.
The saddest part is, scientists and psychologist used to preform these tests on humans and children before it was outlawed. We know the effects such treatment and isolation can do to children. Its *WELL* Documented. The fact that these people were stupid enough to mentally and emotionally abuse a superpowered child like this, believing they wouldn't grow up with some level if disorder is so nuts, it feels like it would genuinely happen.
What do you mean if she gets out? The doors are sealed. She isn't getting out. She is going to starve to death. In her last moments, she won't be thinking about how much trauma this causes her, she'll be thinking...Yummers.
Those workers likely have families who prolly called the police when they realized that the workers never came home. I'd say she probably got rescued later that night or the next day
it was called the "bad room" because it is where homelander had all the bad thoughts. that is what he imagined doing to all the researchers. that angry reflection telling him to cut that need for love out of him like a cancer may be free now, that psycholigical barrier was holding back that psyche of homelander.
A thought just crossed my mind🤔 What if Homelander only wanted to show her why he called it the bad room. Might be he left her alive so he can come back later and kill her himself. After she's been sufficiently traumatized of course. It's so satisfying you could even say yummers
He wanted them to empathize with him and understand the depth of the psychological torment that their actions caused... and to feel genuine remorse and regret. He also wanted them dead so that these people who could treat a child that way and walk around without any concern for their actions would not be present in the world anymore.
I keep seeing people say someone will go rescue her but Homelander is the head honcho at Vought International. He could just deny access to everyone but himself and anyone else he chooses.
@@ThisOffendsMeTV So she’ll be trapped in the Bad Room with the bodies. He probably won’t let anyone go down there but he wouldn’t want her to be able to leave the bad room and take the elevators.
She deserved it. She tried to use all the gaslighting on Homelander. Especially making homelander feel like a freak, for being born with amazing powers. She tries to make him feel guilty, and justify their actions, because they were actually scared of the superpowered baby. BUT, they made the baby superpowered. Homelander was intentionally made. So he has nothing to feel guilty of.
I would say that he has his own actions to feel guilty of. His choices are still his choices, they make us who we are. Are environments and circumstances influence us, but they do not choose for us. Homelander is a man now, and he's responsible for everything he's done now matter who or what did to him first. That is an unfortunate reality of the horrible situation he's been placed in. I will say, I don't judge him whatsoever and I might have done the same thing if those had been my body in that oven. I'd cry at his funeral. But he has to be stopped. He is a villain, and more harm will not undo what was done to him. He cannot be allowed to unleash this monster he was created to be just because he feels he "deserves" to. He's not a robot, nobody is controlling him, and whether or not he has a reason, he is choosing to do wrong and many many people are about to lose their lives
@@rockon609 the babies did not choose it, or accidentally become that. Malicious adults decided for them that they will become mutated freaks, that can possibly sneeze on nurses and kill them. The parents knew, the Vought people knew, the nurses and doctors knew. Only the kids didn't consent, and thus they got turned into monsters against their will. Just like Homelander. And Homelander is now being shamed and blamed for being made into a destructive freak.
It would be even more messed up if Homelander kept coming back with food and water and forcing her to drink and eat for months on end trapped in that room of horrors.
Pretty sure that after the end of the scene (or at 0.54) , you can see the door hinges have been welded. Not saying it would be impossible to get out, but that would definitly add some time to get the material and then the re-opening the door.
They wouldn’t. Homelander is CEO of Vought now. No one is going to rescue her. Not like they know any Homelander level Supes that can break her out anyway
That not gonna happen if homelander knew someb9dy will come and save Barbara homelander wouldn't have welded the door he welded the door because he knew no one is going to help her
@@susenmajumdar7390 That doesnt make sense. If he knew no one would come, he couldve simply locked it. He welded it so it takes longer to break her out.
Either way she is in a world of pain. She either dies there, never to be discovered or she is found and released but is left with a trauma so bad that it ain’t ever gonna wash off
Only 3 people there were involved in it. Several of the employees weren’t even born when Homelander was being tested on and controlled. Several appeared to only do sample work, and considering they didn’t have any subjects down there…it’s safe to say they only did to lab work and never interacted with any supes.
@@alessandrajackson3768 I was aware that some of them looked young but still, how do you not have a backup plan to keep him Homelander in line? Especially when you know he could spazz out years down the line.
the thing i find weird is how did vogelbaum think they should raise the strongest supe ever in a lab while torturing him in horrifying ways and think it is a good idea, i mean its not rocket science that someone would turn out horrible if you raise him like homelander was raised
Am I the only one who feels kind of sympthetic towards homelander, he was literally raised in a lab with doctors,he was handled like a product, Vought is completely responsible for how homelander turned out.
@@ryder98307Yeah but dont take blame way from the people who coddled him to be that way, its disrespectul to those who had traumatic childhoods and still cant heal.
The saddest part of homelander is, had they actually loved him and treated him as a person the entire situation could've been avoided. Actually given a man to be behind the monster. Now all that's left is a love starved beast looking for something to fill in for its mother
She wont get out.For one,since HL is the boss at Vought,he probably locked down that department.And for 2,even is someone comes HL Lasered the door if you look closely so no one will open that door.He basically entombed her there.She will starve to death and will go insane before she dies.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 yeah but he killed everyone in the building, she will suffer weeks in there, maybe even a month before anybody notice anything or rescue comes, by then, she would have turned completely insane and will have to eat the remains of her former work collegues to survive, further pushing the levels of insanity she will suffer through that experience. Probably deserved too. Even if by miracle she is rescued from this in 3 weeks to a month, she will never be the same, her self, her true person would have died in that room.
Potential plot hole: At the beginning when Homelander was arriving. They tried calling Vought about the situation but the phone was cut. Barbara was working off site and Homelander says "call her" Bro how is anyone gonna call anyone when you just destroy all lines of communication to the lab??? 😂😂
They just had 2 give the most unstable sociopath an actual decent reason for actions😂😂 if someone locked me in a room for that long it would drive any1 crazy
@@hell1942 it's not actually run by homelander, though. he may claim he runs it, but at the end of the day it is is a publicly traded company with a board, shareholders, hundreds (if not thousands) of subsidiaries and _their_ CEOs, board, and shareholders... he's just a kid with an extremely expensive playhouse. the instant the real powers that be at Vought (and I refuse to believe Stan isn't a shadow CEO doing the real work behind the Pharma wing of the company) figure out a way to neutralize him, they will. immediately and without remorse.
And even if she soemhwo miraculously got saved despite everyone there being dead, she knows she will never be safe from homelander and that he can put her back in that room anytime if she were to get out
I think Barbara had the worse fate of them all. At least all the other scientists no longer have to suffer, but she’s gonna be trapped in there for the rest of her life with her dead colleagues. It’s like she’s trapped in solitary confinement but much worse. Like she’s trapped in her own personal hell. That’s even more terrifying.
I just noticed something at 0:57 the door is welded shut on not just the outside but the inside of the room and if that’s the case how did homelander leave the room after he welded the door on the inside after throwing Barbara inside? 🤔
Just realized that this bad room door, looks like the red dors from the Black Ops games. A red metal door never means something good, it doesn’t matter the franchise we are in 😂
She was just left to starve to death, which means she probably snapped at some point and tried to eat the remains of her colleagues to keep from starving.
They made him with superpowers. Even if he could have left he wouldn't know what to do and would juat have a life on the run. Nothing she says justified what they did to him. Normally I'd say Homelander is completely in the wrong here. But the ones in this scene who were directly connected to his childhood? They got what they deserved.
How is this even something puzzling and discussion worthy? It showed her alive at the end. He wanted revenge on her, to see what she in a way caused/was responsible for. I don't think it's much more than that.
He left her alive because he needed someone to see. I also think that he deep down still respected her a little bit more and wanted especially her to see what he did to the others, and show her that she lost all power and control over him in the end. I don't think that she died in the end. The only thing that makes not much sense, is the fact, that he waited that long. And maybe that for some scientists, they acted pretty stupid.
Did anybody really need an explaination of this. There is so much more points you could have made. For example i would like to point out that those people weren't some ultra important specialist's. If anyone of them protestet againts torturing a super child would get killed and replaced. Homelander really only kills those who were just simply very mean to him or didnt care when he was screaming in agony. But Barbara is one of the master minds behind torturing him just like stan. So he does something way worst than lasering a hole in her and after 30 seconds or so crushing her head or putting her in a very strong oven (that was suppose to test durability of the strongest man on earth) and setting max power. He leaves her with a fate worse than death. Even if vought eventually rescuse her she will be traumatized for life just like he was.
I don't think people realize how abuse works. Most people can "leave" abuse situations, they're just mentally conditioned through dependence and fear not to.
@@residentjess I mean he has no family so where do you think he would go? Also it was child homelander so he would have no idea how to survive. If you have watched gen V you would know when supes tried to escape they were murdered with shock . The child homelander wasn't as strong as adult homelander
@rome316ae3 I am not sure it'd be easy to capture the strongest supe on Earth just like that. Only if they had something to weaken him like kryptonite
I remember the line from John Wick "Those who cling to life find death and those who cling to death find life" It was clear from the start that Barbara wasn't afraid of John and didn't care much if he kills her
I remember reading that during the Columbine shootings, one of the shooters threatened a boy he considered his bully and threw a desk around in front of him but didn't kill him. It was speculated by psychologists that he wanted to feel he had power over him and wanted the bully to see him as being powerful. A person can't see you differently if you're dead. As the person making all the decisions, Barbara was the one Homelander most valued the opinion of and wanted to feel he had dominated so to speak.
@@AidenApplehead We didn't see any Supe kids there when Homelander dropped in. And even if there were, I doubt Homelander would care enough to free them.
What humanity could have been established in Homelander was instead replaced with deception, control and manipulation. Who knows what other atrocities the scientist there committed and planned to. I applaud Homelander on this one.
It's not at all clear that Homelander actually did kill her, but it was certainly clear that she's not afraid of him, so she may have had some way to control him. Like maybe a post-hypnotic suggestion trigger word that made him temporarily stand down. I think that Barbara, if she's still alive, may have a significant role to play in the future.
She gets out in 3 days and will have no ptsd from the event bc she will be died from the lack of water. Homelander just made her had a slow painful death that will last 1-3 (1 day if she decides to unalive herself).
@@dannyboy218 And I wonder if there was even a way for her to end things early. I have to believe Homelander made sure there wasn't anything left for her to use...
@@PeterDavid7KQ201 worst case scenario she could bang her head on the way so hard multiple times that she knocks out and die or is knocked out long enough that the dehydration cause her to maybe be in a coma and then she dies
i answer it.. Because he stried to give the most pain he could to everyone.. he felt this woman strong enough he kneww she woudnt cry at all..a strong person.. maybe strongest he ever knew.. so he give her the pain of loss.. a dozen death..
_"Your life will be consumed by absolute loss. Then and _*_only then_*_ will you understand what you have done to me."_ _"If we truly succeed today, Admiral Briggs will come to understand why I did not kill him._ -Raul Menendez CoD Black Ops 2
Vought would send a team...to sanitize the Lab, erase all signs that anyone died there. 'Reset' the Lab for the next experiments..."we are running a business..."
She will get out. These places have to do check ups at certain times and when they fail to check and then respond to calls they’ll send someone to investigate
Everyone is getting this whole thing wrong, because the truth lies on which side you're arguing from. 1. In universe, she is not getting out. The implication by welding the door shut and it being a secret lab, says that she's doomed. He went there to enact vengeance. Her getting out after a day or two wouldn't be enough. There's not much too it. 2. Following logic, beyond what is implied and meant by the scene, says she would of course get out once someone that cared came looking. Someone on security detail, a relative, an administrator, etc. someone would be expecting a report from these people AND know where they were supposed to be. She would be out in relatively short order. So, if you're talking about what the scene is supposed to represent, 1 is the truth. If you're talking about what would really happen in a situation with these parameters, 2 is the truth. They're two totally separate things. They can both be true, because 1 stops at the end of the available details, and 2 continues on from flow of logic.
yeah but he killed everyone in the building, she will suffer weeks in there, maybe even a month before anybody notice anything or rescue comes, by then, she would have turned completely insane and will have to eat the remains of her former work collegues to survive, further pushing the levels of insanity she will suffer through that experience. Probably deserved too. Even if by miracle she is rescued from this in 3 weeks to a month, she will never be the same, her self, her true person would have died in that room.
It's probably not the type of research facility that turns in reports daily. Same stuff doing their thing for the last 30 years. Barbara seems the supervisor for the whole thing, so yea she's not getting out soon.
I would guess Barbra was betting on him “needing” the scientists as a source of love. However I think she failed to realize he has somewhat abandoned the idea of getting their approval. I could be wrong though.
Homelander has killed so many people since he was a kid. No one teach him compassion. They could create a superman, but they really treated him as a product. At the trailer of season 3. Younger homelander has killed a nurse, but no one teach him to be regretted instead they said the replacement will come , so he thought humans are his toys. He's been a murderer sice a kid. No one teaches him to love other humans. Indeed they has created a monster.
Unless the room will run low on oxygen due to being welded shut. I think its a safe bet someone will come and rescue her sooner or later. I think it was simply HL psychologically torturing her, not killing her.
By that logic a kid could runaway from an abusive parent at any time and staying means they like it? in Homelander case Ig he could've gone full bright burn at like 7. But how's he to know he's even the strongest at that point or that they couldn't track him down etc. Imma be honest u feel for sum really basic gaslighting
As terrible as Homelander is, I absolutely loved watching him get his revenge.
He's about to get so much worse.
@somedude9745 Of course. Because he found what makes him "happy".
All those pricks in the lab still got what they deserve, though.
A lot of those people were new, they never did anything to homelander.
Why he went there for was not just for revenge, he’s trying to break his programming so he doesn’t have anything holding him back anymore.
@@CommunityNotes_Officialthey might’ve not done anything to homelander but theyve probably been doing bad things to other supe babies
She probably died. Homelander killed all the people in the building judging by the fact that the CCTV footage was all blacked out before he arrived.
Well, yeah, but it is not like nobody is ever going back into the building again. Someone will eventually go investigate and they may find her and get her out.
@@pdealba18 It would take some time for people to find out and then weld the door open. I guess she could stay alive by eating the remains of her colleagues. Plus I'm pretty sure the place Homelander was raised in is a top secret and requires high clearance to enter no matter what the situation, something few people are granted. Not like an electrician is gonna stumble in and discover all that.
The security is going to notice no one has checked out and will investigate the lab the same day@@Cello10131
Who would've called Barbara in after Homelanders 'visit' first began then
@@pdealba18the building is owned by Homelander and he explicitly sealed the door shut. No one’s saving her
Due to fear, Barbara was instigator of all atrocities on Homelander. They treated him as product, not as kid. But it made worse and they created a monster. Barbera thought Homelander will kill her, but he kept her alive, to live in same agony they kept him everyday.
Yeah, and it's poetic in a way since she after he called it 'the Bad Room', she said "It's just a Room". By locking her in, he both showed discipline in not killing her, while also not really sparing her to keep her alive - just locking her in and showing the same indifference he was shown by the lab. Now it can be the 'Bad Room' for both of them.
Also Homelander never kills anyone who isn't fearful of him. The ones who faced Homelander without fear were spared.
He didn't kill her because she has a plot armor. And even if he did it wouldn't be as gruesome as others's death
@johnlewis9855 I don't think that's ever actually specified in the show though,is it? The only people that he "let's live" because they don't fear him are the people he can't just one shot with a laser
@@Mykhiluangelo nah, he didn't kill Stan when he diminished him to just a tool to make money, disregarding his feelings. In comics was more brutal, and Homelander leaves like a powerless kid, because Stan isn't a bit threatened by him. Same with Hughie when he confronts Homelander, showing no fear of him.
This wasn’t Homelander getting revenge. This was John getting justice.
Stop supporting him, don't you see he even killed his supporter
@@WaseemKhan-ur3qethat’s true but hes a bad guy in a worse world
Thats just because he's a trump analogue and the showrunners wanted to show trump supporte4s being murdered brutally @@WaseemKhan-ur3qe
@WaseemKhan-ur3qe what's that supposed to mean they chose to be around
@Skdiehsudue1 I think people are aware that Honelander is a terrible person. They just support him killing the scientists or at least the people in this episode because they are the ones who made him become so horrible in the first place (the ones who died in the Bad Room probably didn't experiment on him, yes, but they are still connected in a way I suppose. Or perhaps their deaths weren't deserved, and Homelander just killed them for the sake of Barbara)
Use it or lose it, Marty! 😂
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Come on, get your f*cking hand back on that you attaboy, come on Marty!!
Your life is LITERALLY in you hands!
Hey, it's ok, it happens to a lot of us-not me of course!!
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He actually lasered the door. I’m pretty sure it can only be open from the outside. She is likely going to die in there.
Even if she gets out ( by some miracle) she gonna be traumatized for life
@@rusty7984Idk man, for people in her profession, whatever happened that day was simply Tuesday
Friends and relatives will start looking for the people there. They will find her soon enough.
Only hope is A-Train shows up. Since he's snooping around Homelander's thing
@@ci7210i held hope that A-Train's sleep deprived due to him doing actual saving all night.
That said, he wouldn't know of this facility, let alone save the people inside.
Reggie deserved his redemption.
Homelander is a monster, but the same can be said for basically anyone who works at Vought
this pure facts
They just can’t do as much damage as he can
Facts upon facts
@@dadbodenvy4247 seeing made him how he is and do that to other kids yeah no hard disagree on that
For Vought, Homelander is the embodiment of the phrase, you reap what you sow.
Well atleast he left food so she dont have to starve to death
When did he left food bro
@@jatin_chaudhary the dead people lol
"Yummers" 😋
Who wants a creamy delicious milkshake
But no water
homelander can't kill her or stan edgar because of that deep psychological work they did on him, but he broke free enough to do this (even though he couldn't kill her, she is 50% chances of dying theere, imagine the smell or if noone comes for her) I think edgar is in danger now
Stan has powers lol
@@ninetails625 no
I don't think he didn't kill her because he couldn't. He could definitely kill her but he has figured out there are worst fates than death.
Nah homelander is still deep down scared of Edgar
@@shivamjha5578 At the moment but noe that he's gone back to where it started and worked through this trauma he'll be more dangerous and potentially more functional
If they treated homelander as a human being in the beginning could he have become a real Superman?
Well maybe not as good as superman but at least better than he is now.
They did treat him like a human being. Human beings are horrible to each other. Revenge is the most basic of human instincts and really only humans engage in violence for the sake of revenge. Barbara treats everyone like a lab experiment because she is permanently detached from her emotions and I suspect this was the only reason Homelander didn't kill her. Because she is detached emotionally, he wouldn't get the same kick out of killing her that he did with the other two. She doesn't fear death because she's stunted emotionally and this takes a bit of leverage from Homelander. By killing everyone in front of her, he's hoping she'll crack and show some emotion, but she doesn't. She won this round between them, despite the loss of her colleagues and even if she does die, she didn't let him see her crack. Not like how the other two went out, Frank and uh..Squirt.
@@cassidystarchild7907So you are telling me that you are locked up in a room alone with nothing to do for hours and get tortured on a daily basis? Being treated like a human being means having freedom, it's not as if everyone in the store is trying to kill you or test on you, it's not like everyone on the street is scared of you, that is not being treated like a human being that is being treated as a wild animal.
@@cassidystarchild7907Okay, no offense but you sound like a lone boomer who has only seen the world through the eyes of social media. Like there are always good and bad people out there. Yes there are extremely horrific humans living out there but there also angelic ones. For the second, she didn't win at all. By letting her live and killing others, he proved that he no longer craves for their validation and approval. He killed all his creators and left the lady to tell the tale that nothing holds back Homelander anymore. No desperation for approval or love
@@kennnnn fr like i swear people who be that way act as if some animals dont be just as cruel. Cruelty is not a product of humanity, it is a product of sentience.
If I were Marty and I see Homelander Cackle at me for "Shuckling my Mushroom", I too won't be able to get it up.
Relating with Marty is weird. You squirt watcher mushroom shaker
Nah that would have done it for me. Treat me badly, Daddy. Laser it off, Sir
Youre not a true gooner then, if i saw homelander with his big blue eyes sitting infront of me giving me motivation id be harder than a diamond i wouldnt last 1 second
@@NuhashTheHash lmfao bruh
@@NuhashTheHashthis is insane😂
It's crazy to hear that Homelander would never be the way he is if he wasn't abused and tested so much. If he actually had a mother/father figure, he basically would have been raised like superman.
He's born already when SB's in nicaragua, that's not saying much but as much as a douche/bully SB is i feel like he'd raise Homelander better than Vought ever could.
Tbh knowing the boys universe , if he had regular parents he probably would’ve killed them accidentally w his powers and ended up being more fucked up
But what makes Superman… Superman is humility. The Kents raised him like a regular ass farm boy, while Homelander still would’ve been gassed up in his youth about being the next big thing. Just giving him a home doesn’t do much. And actually creating a whole set up where good parents can instill him with moral values just doesn’t end up with the right product for Vought.
@@kingcold1758But not as bad as he is now.
He’d be closer to Superman.
The best part of this whole scene for me was home lander believing throwing paper into the trash was a game. Kind of shows how traumatic and isolated he was his whole childhood.
Some people say this truly horrible upbringing excuses the things he does... and tbh I think they sort of have a point. Homelander feels more like a force of nature that's trapped in survival mode more than anything else🤷♂️ Is someone like Homelander really responsible for his actions? I'm not so sure he truly is.
Smartest people in that room, still didnt realise homelander decided to kill them all when he brought the cake.
Ofc they knew you absolute walnut
Probably did but what are they going to do, run? They knew they were screwed and was powerless to do anything
@@mitthrawnuruodo1730 Possibly but they was pretty surprised when homelander killed the first guy.
@@Ezstreet327 not surprised but terrified. They knew they would be next
Imagine if you just got hired a week ago on the bottom floor… killed for something you had nothing to do with.
I was thinking the same thing, some of the staff looked way too young to have been there when he was in there.
@@jamesm.5125he knew, he did say lots of new faces.
He simply doesn't care now does he?
He never leave eyewitnesses save for the boys.
@@jamesm.5125 Homelander himself comments that he sees new faces
Homelander killed everyone in that facility. A secret Black Ops Facility owned by the Corporation
POV: you were just an intern 💀
The saddest part is, scientists and psychologist used to preform these tests on humans and children before it was outlawed. We know the effects such treatment and isolation can do to children. Its *WELL* Documented. The fact that these people were stupid enough to mentally and emotionally abuse a superpowered child like this, believing they wouldn't grow up with some level if disorder is so nuts, it feels like it would genuinely happen.
Look at what the judeo-communists did
Hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter if she does or doesn't get out or not. What matters is that she doesn't know. Just like Homelander didn't
What do you mean if she gets out?
The doors are sealed. She isn't getting out. She is going to starve to death.
In her last moments, she won't be thinking about how much trauma this causes her, she'll be thinking...Yummers.
Those workers likely have families who prolly called the police when they realized that the workers never came home. I'd say she probably got rescued later that night or the next day
We could get through that door with our technology let alone theirs and supes
She can call firefighters
She can call 911 just saying…
She is not starving to death, there is plenty of meat inside the room.
it was called the "bad room" because it is where homelander had all the bad thoughts. that is what he imagined doing to all the researchers. that angry reflection telling him to cut that need for love out of him like a cancer may be free now, that psycholigical barrier was holding back that psyche of homelander.
A thought just crossed my mind🤔 What if Homelander only wanted to show her why he called it the bad room. Might be he left her alive so he can come back later and kill her himself. After she's been sufficiently traumatized of course. It's so satisfying you could even say yummers
He wanted them to empathize with him and understand the depth of the psychological torment that their actions caused... and to feel genuine remorse and regret. He also wanted them dead so that these people who could treat a child that way and walk around without any concern for their actions would not be present in the world anymore.
Homelander: I gotta tell you Marty, you really hurt my feelings
Marty: 😬
I keep seeing people say someone will go rescue her but Homelander is the head honcho at Vought International. He could just deny access to everyone but himself and anyone else he chooses.
he's _playing_ at being the head honcho.
@@TheMotherofTacos Right but he still holds the bulk of the power…. For now
then why laser the vault door?
@@ThisOffendsMeTV So she’ll be trapped in the Bad Room with the bodies. He probably won’t let anyone go down there but he wouldn’t want her to be able to leave the bad room and take the elevators.
She deserved it. She tried to use all the gaslighting on Homelander. Especially making homelander feel like a freak, for being born with amazing powers. She tries to make him feel guilty, and justify their actions, because they were actually scared of the superpowered baby. BUT, they made the baby superpowered. Homelander was intentionally made. So he has nothing to feel guilty of.
I would say that he has his own actions to feel guilty of. His choices are still his choices, they make us who we are. Are environments and circumstances influence us, but they do not choose for us. Homelander is a man now, and he's responsible for everything he's done now matter who or what did to him first. That is an unfortunate reality of the horrible situation he's been placed in. I will say, I don't judge him whatsoever and I might have done the same thing if those had been my body in that oven. I'd cry at his funeral. But he has to be stopped. He is a villain, and more harm will not undo what was done to him. He cannot be allowed to unleash this monster he was created to be just because he feels he "deserves" to. He's not a robot, nobody is controlling him, and whether or not he has a reason, he is choosing to do wrong and many many people are about to lose their lives
@@thequestion2859can a broken human being where any feeling of compassion has been taken beate out even have the ability to make informed desions
@@fenrir4446it’s kind of what our whole justice system is built around, man
Sort of glossing over the fact that a superpowerd baby can sneeze and kill dozens in the process but sure
@@rockon609 the babies did not choose it, or accidentally become that. Malicious adults decided for them that they will become mutated freaks, that can possibly sneeze on nurses and kill them. The parents knew, the Vought people knew, the nurses and doctors knew. Only the kids didn't consent, and thus they got turned into monsters against their will. Just like Homelander. And Homelander is now being shamed and blamed for being made into a destructive freak.
I found it fascinating how you could see her trying to work the controls on all the emotional manipulation they've done to him.
It would be even more messed up if Homelander kept coming back with food and water and forcing her to drink and eat for months on end trapped in that room of horrors.
Probably not considering the fact there are plenty of dead corpses left to eat.
Barbara probably got out relatively quickly. I doubt they wouldn't check after homelander paid them a visit
Pretty sure that after the end of the scene (or at 0.54) , you can see the door hinges have been welded.
Not saying it would be impossible to get out, but that would definitly add some time to get the material and then the re-opening the door.
They wouldn’t. Homelander is CEO of Vought now. No one is going to rescue her. Not like they know any Homelander level Supes that can break her out anyway
Unless they were a loose end
That not gonna happen if homelander knew someb9dy will come and save Barbara homelander wouldn't have welded the door he welded the door because he knew no one is going to help her
@@susenmajumdar7390 That doesnt make sense. If he knew no one would come, he couldve simply locked it. He welded it so it takes longer to break her out.
Imagine if that guy turned down the temperature instead of turning it up
I wouldn’t mind if Homelander locked someone in a freezer. The death would be slower
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes but not nearly as painful
Either way she is in a world of pain. She either dies there, never to be discovered or she is found and released but is left with a trauma so bad that it ain’t ever gonna wash off
even though he's a psychopath those people had that shit coming
My only question is what did they expect was going to happen when Homelander got older? Lol you would think Vought would have precautions against him.
Only 3 people there were involved in it. Several of the employees weren’t even born when Homelander was being tested on and controlled.
Several appeared to only do sample work, and considering they didn’t have any subjects down there…it’s safe to say they only did to lab work and never interacted with any supes.
@@alessandrajackson3768 I was aware that some of them looked young but still, how do you not have a backup plan to keep him Homelander in line? Especially when you know he could spazz out years down the line.
Yeah? Even the security guards?
the thing i find weird is how did vogelbaum think they should raise the strongest supe ever in a lab while torturing him in horrifying ways and think it is a good idea, i mean its not rocket science that someone would turn out horrible if you raise him like homelander was raised
We need to give Homelander a welding job.
When she described his birth it was gloriously horrific.
The real mystery is "Wanna know why I called this the Bad Room?"
Imagine if Homelander deliberately left it open so that she could exit anytime she wanted
It would be better if he used a warning heat laser, just to give her fear that he might kill her if she tries to leave.
I like how Homelander took his time and killed these people but when it comes to Hughie he somehow can't be bother to be effective at killing him.
@rileyd2025 So he couldn't fly up into the pipe and bulldoze through the building?
Buddy it’s cuz he doesn’t really care
They mentally conditioned Homelander to never harm them...not physically, at least.
Am I the only one who feels kind of sympthetic towards homelander, he was literally raised in a lab with doctors,he was handled like a product, Vought is completely responsible for how homelander turned out.
Still responsible for his actions
@@ryder98307Yeah but dont take blame way from the people who coddled him to be that way, its disrespectul to those who had traumatic childhoods and still cant heal.
The saddest part of homelander is, had they actually loved him and treated him as a person the entire situation could've been avoided. Actually given a man to be behind the monster. Now all that's left is a love starved beast looking for something to fill in for its mother
You guys have no idea why I did what I did so don't go around assuming
She wont get out.For one,since HL is the boss at Vought,he probably locked down that department.And for 2,even is someone comes HL Lasered the door if you look closely so no one will open that door.He basically entombed her there.She will starve to death and will go insane before she dies.
The door can still be cut through. Welds are not invincible.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 yeah but he killed everyone in the building, she will suffer weeks in there, maybe even a month before anybody notice anything or rescue comes, by then, she would have turned completely insane and will have to eat the remains of her former work collegues to survive, further pushing the levels of insanity she will suffer through that experience. Probably deserved too. Even if by miracle she is rescued from this in 3 weeks to a month, she will never be the same, her self, her true person would have died in that room.
@@Mewsashi-cz9foDon’t forget that she will be living in her own urine and feces too.
Only person Homelander probably can't kill is Stan Edgar. That guy does not respect Homelander AT ALL. He probably even still craves Stan's approval.
I'd like to eventually find out that Stan has secretly had powers all along.
Barbra will probably have to eat the dead human remains.
Potential plot hole:
At the beginning when Homelander was arriving. They tried calling Vought about the situation but the phone was cut. Barbara was working off site and Homelander says "call her"
Bro how is anyone gonna call anyone when you just destroy all lines of communication to the lab??? 😂😂
The one who did not come to work that day is the luckiest person on earth.
They just had 2 give the most unstable sociopath an actual decent reason for actions😂😂 if someone locked me in a room for that long it would drive any1 crazy
I was really hoping Barbara would make it. People without powers who talk down to homelander are my favorite charecters
She probably did honestly, can’t imagine there wouldn’t be a search party when everyone realizes there’s a bunch of missing people
She's literally the reason he's so broken mentally. Out of all of them, she deserved the worst fate.
@@TownsendReddishsearch party from whom? Vought? Which is run by homelander (ceo)?
Not happening
@@hell1942 nah i just assumed there familys
@@hell1942 it's not actually run by homelander, though. he may claim he runs it, but at the end of the day it is is a publicly traded company with a board, shareholders, hundreds (if not thousands) of subsidiaries and _their_ CEOs, board, and shareholders... he's just a kid with an extremely expensive playhouse. the instant the real powers that be at Vought (and I refuse to believe Stan isn't a shadow CEO doing the real work behind the Pharma wing of the company) figure out a way to neutralize him, they will. immediately and without remorse.
This is crazy because all of us walked out of that episode saying, "homelander was right"
None of us did...
Only crazy people, it’s understandable yes but “right” not even close
Who's "all of us"
Being his fan won't stop him from killing you
Who is “all of us”? Because I was definitely not one of them.
And even if she soemhwo miraculously got saved despite everyone there being dead, she knows she will never be safe from homelander and that he can put her back in that room anytime if she were to get out
I think Barbara had the worse fate of them all. At least all the other scientists no longer have to suffer, but she’s gonna be trapped in there for the rest of her life with her dead colleagues. It’s like she’s trapped in solitary confinement but much worse. Like she’s trapped in her own personal hell. That’s even more terrifying.
I just noticed something at 0:57 the door is welded shut on not just the outside but the inside of the room and if that’s the case how did homelander leave the room after he welded the door on the inside after throwing Barbara inside? 🤔
He heated the metal up to the point it was goo, then shut the door so it would all cool and harden together.
as evil as homelander is it’s very hard to feel bad for the scientists who literally tortured him his whole childhood.
Cause he's an absolute psychopath and loved knowing she'll suffer
She’s never getting out of that room. Not with the doors welded shut at least.
Just realized that this bad room door, looks like the red dors from the Black Ops games.
A red metal door never means something good, it doesn’t matter the franchise we are in 😂
He gave (except all other people) the same experience that he went through.
They need Soldier Boy ASAP
Blame Butcher for wimping out when he had the chance simply because of his wifes kid.
@@ScuffedF You all really try to make him look like a bad guy or something? I mean, he is, but for THAT?
It’s amazing how we analyze things on fiction but not reality
She was just left to starve to death, which means she probably snapped at some point and tried to eat the remains of her colleagues to keep from starving.
Maybe homelander let her out before then?
They made him with superpowers. Even if he could have left he wouldn't know what to do and would juat have a life on the run. Nothing she says justified what they did to him. Normally I'd say Homelander is completely in the wrong here.
But the ones in this scene who were directly connected to his childhood? They got what they deserved.
How is this even something puzzling and discussion worthy? It showed her alive at the end. He wanted revenge on her, to see what she in a way caused/was responsible for. I don't think it's much more than that.
He left her alive because he needed someone to see. I also think that he deep down still respected her a little bit more and wanted especially her to see what he did to the others, and show her that she lost all power and control over him in the end.
I don't think that she died in the end.
The only thing that makes not much sense, is the fact, that he waited that long. And maybe that for some scientists, they acted pretty stupid.
Did anybody really need an explaination of this. There is so much more points you could have made. For example i would like to point out that those people weren't some ultra important specialist's. If anyone of them protestet againts torturing a super child would get killed and replaced. Homelander really only kills those who were just simply very mean to him or didnt care when he was screaming in agony. But Barbara is one of the master minds behind torturing him just like stan. So he does something way worst than lasering a hole in her and after 30 seconds or so crushing her head or putting her in a very strong oven (that was suppose to test durability of the strongest man on earth) and setting max power. He leaves her with a fate worse than death. Even if vought eventually rescuse her she will be traumatized for life just like he was.
Well she’s old right now anyways, so I’m not sure how much of a difference it would make if she lives.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes tbh she doesn't matter anyway
As worse as homelander is - everyone in that lab was worse. They got what they deserved just delivered decades to late.
She has a few weeks of food in there.
When she said you could’ve left whenever you wanted, I was like, I’m an idiot and so is homelander, I almost felt bad for him, like bro just leave 😂
Bruh she was lying . If homelander leaves then vought would capture him
I don't think people realize how abuse works. Most people can "leave" abuse situations, they're just mentally conditioned through dependence and fear not to.
@@rome316ae3so what? He could have obliterated them.
@@residentjess I mean he has no family so where do you think he would go? Also it was child homelander so he would have no idea how to survive. If you have watched gen V you would know when supes tried to escape they were murdered with shock . The child homelander wasn't as strong as adult homelander
@rome316ae3 I am not sure it'd be easy to capture the strongest supe on Earth just like that. Only if they had something to weaken him like kryptonite
I remember the line from John Wick "Those who cling to life find death and those who cling to death find life"
It was clear from the start that Barbara wasn't afraid of John and didn't care much if he kills her
Joker hates barbara too
yes , the door was welded , she is never going back
I remember reading that during the Columbine shootings, one of the shooters threatened a boy he considered his bully and threw a desk around in front of him but didn't kill him. It was speculated by psychologists that he wanted to feel he had power over him and wanted the bully to see him as being powerful. A person can't see you differently if you're dead. As the person making all the decisions, Barbara was the one Homelander most valued the opinion of and wanted to feel he had dominated so to speak.
Depends on if you believe in the afterlife or not
He killed innocent people in there too ....who didn't do anything to him
Well they could have done the same shit with other supe kids.
@@AidenApplehead you could kill someone in future....so should we u in jail
@@AidenApplehead We didn't see any Supe kids there when Homelander dropped in. And even if there were, I doubt Homelander would care enough to free them.
he is no hero. What you expected? He don't even care about innocent humans
This wasn't really Homelander. This was John and John deserved Justice.
Great summary/ analysis. Thankyou
Homelander deserved his revenge, i I mean experimenting on children is one of the lowest of the low.
What humanity could have been established in Homelander was instead replaced with deception, control and manipulation. Who knows what other atrocities the scientist there committed and planned to. I applaud Homelander on this one.
What I'm more interested in is what were these people still doing in this same facility decades later? What were they researching?
It's not at all clear that Homelander actually did kill her, but it was certainly clear that she's not afraid of him, so she may have had some way to control him. Like maybe a post-hypnotic suggestion trigger word that made him temporarily stand down. I think that Barbara, if she's still alive, may have a significant role to play in the future.
Tried to pull stan Edgar on him 😂😂
She gets out in 3 days and will have no ptsd from the event bc she will be died from the lack of water. Homelander just made her had a slow painful death that will last 1-3 (1 day if she decides to unalive herself).
Yep, a couple of days of death from dehydration...What a way to go.
@@PeterDavid7KQ201 must be horrible tbh
@@dannyboy218 And I wonder if there was even a way for her to end things early. I have to believe Homelander made sure there wasn't anything left for her to use...
@@PeterDavid7KQ201 worst case scenario she could bang her head on the way so hard multiple times that she knocks out and die or is knocked out long enough that the dehydration cause her to maybe be in a coma and then she dies
If i worked in that Lab I wouldve quit when Homelander took control of Vought.
He condemned her to live until she dies in isolation.
i answer it.. Because he stried to give the most pain he could to everyone.. he felt this woman strong enough he kneww she woudnt cry at all..a strong person.. maybe strongest he ever knew.. so he give her the pain of loss.. a dozen death..
You Reap What You Sow. Monsters Make Monsters.
To show her HOW a room could be BAD.
_"Your life will be consumed by absolute loss. Then and _*_only then_*_ will you understand what you have done to me."_
_"If we truly succeed today, Admiral Briggs will come to understand why I did not kill him._
-Raul Menendez CoD Black Ops 2
She’s probably out that room now, Vought would send people to investigate the lab after the communication was cut out
Vought would send a team...to sanitize the Lab, erase all signs that anyone died there.
'Reset' the Lab for the next experiments..."we are running a business..."
She will get out. These places have to do check ups at certain times and when they fail to check and then respond to calls they’ll send someone to investigate
not gonna lie she kinda deserved everything she got in the end
Isolation is how they punish the worst criminals
Bro watched the episode and thought to himself. I should explain the absolute obvious and make a video about it.
Everyone is getting this whole thing wrong, because the truth lies on which side you're arguing from.
1. In universe, she is not getting out. The implication by welding the door shut and it being a secret lab, says that she's doomed. He went there to enact vengeance. Her getting out after a day or two wouldn't be enough. There's not much too it.
2. Following logic, beyond what is implied and meant by the scene, says she would of course get out once someone that cared came looking. Someone on security detail, a relative, an administrator, etc. someone would be expecting a report from these people AND know where they were supposed to be. She would be out in relatively short order.
So, if you're talking about what the scene is supposed to represent, 1 is the truth.
If you're talking about what would really happen in a situation with these parameters, 2 is the truth.
They're two totally separate things.
They can both be true, because 1 stops at the end of the available details, and 2 continues on from flow of logic.
yeah but he killed everyone in the building, she will suffer weeks in there, maybe even a month before anybody notice anything or rescue comes, by then, she would have turned completely insane and will have to eat the remains of her former work collegues to survive, further pushing the levels of insanity she will suffer through that experience. Probably deserved too. Even if by miracle she is rescued from this in 3 weeks to a month, she will never be the same, her self, her true person would have died in that room.
It's probably not the type of research facility that turns in reports daily. Same stuff doing their thing for the last 30 years.
Barbara seems the supervisor for the whole thing, so yea she's not getting out soon.
I would guess Barbra was betting on him “needing” the scientists as a source of love. However I think she failed to realize he has somewhat abandoned the idea of getting their approval.
I could be wrong though.
At least he left her enough food
This sounds spot on.
watched this video expecting a different explanation and i just got the most basic, obvious one
Homelander has killed so many people since he was a kid. No one teach him compassion. They could create a superman, but they really treated him as a product. At the trailer of season 3. Younger homelander has killed a nurse, but no one teach him to be regretted instead they said the replacement will come , so he thought humans are his toys. He's been a murderer sice a kid. No one teaches him to love other humans. Indeed they has created a monster.
I like her. Not the others, just her.
Search & rescue would sweep the place for survivors, likely finding & freeing her. It may take time but she would live...for now.
Whose search and rescue? It's a secret lab, owned by Vaught which Homelander controls, it will just be covered up
Unless the room will run low on oxygen due to being welded shut. I think its a safe bet someone will come and rescue her sooner or later. I think it was simply HL psychologically torturing her, not killing her.
I approve only those actions from him, at least that satisfy him a bit
He could’ve escaped at any time… showing us that Homelander is indeed a narcissistic victim.
By that logic a kid could runaway from an abusive parent at any time and staying means they like it? in Homelander case Ig he could've gone full bright burn at like 7. But how's he to know he's even the strongest at that point or that they couldn't track him down etc. Imma be honest u feel for sum really basic gaslighting
This is absolute punishment.