Overtraining Is A Myth | Alex Hormozi
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Remember this dude takes trt, which is a huge factor in your overall recovery. Do not listen to his advice. Listen to your body, recovery is king.
@@Kevin-kj5th that’s just not true
This dude is on tons of gear, not just TRT (but this is to your point - I just don't buy for a second that this guy is actually just taking a replacement testosterone dose - he's a salesman and sells the lie that he's on a small dose when it's really large)
@@Dementia.Pugilistica I agree but say for the sake of argument he is on a doctor prescribed TRT dose; his amount of free T would still be far greater than your average person leading to increased recovery and muscle building potential
@@killfalseprophets definitely
If he says you can't overtrain it just tells me he has been taking it slow.
I guess this guy has some new insights that almost all bodybuilding experts and exercise specialists do not.
Any intelligent exercise specialist knows that overtraining isn't the issue for 95% or normal people lol
@@mitch5944 any intelligent exercise specialist worth their salt will not tell you that overtraining is a myth.
Lmao. 🤡
@@mitch5944 wtf is an intelligent exercise specialist😂😂 is that code for gearbrain??
@@mitch5944 eh, many young people get into this gym "frenzy", where they go to the gym 5, 6 times a week two or three hours at a time... There's diminishing returns, and general fatigue, and rest is extremely important. At the beginning a little would do a world of good, and that much can put you off and be unsustainable. Perhaps it's only 5%, but those guys need not be encouraged.
Apparently having a business also gives you the deepest insights into medicine and fitness
If you dress up like you’re some world weary traveller, and sound like you know what you’re talking about, people will think you’re a genius.
the point that i think he’s making is that you can keep working even if you feel burnt out. i think he’s just using fitness to get the point across. that’s how i interpret this anyway
Crazy that you don't think a gym could be a business
@@tegathemenace a person can actually own a gym and still know nothing about fitness and medicine.
He doesn’t just own a business, he owned tons of gyms, he is a certified personal trainer and literally taught the gym I go to how to run their gym. So he’s very capable of giving fitness and nutrition advice ( just look at him 😂).
Ok don't listen to this.
I have over trained multiple times in the past because I had the same mindset.
Spent more time at the gym, felt tired and slowed my progress.
Do not over train. Listen to your body.
Some people have their body give up before the mind, myself included. A lot of his claims kindaaaa make sense, but they're not true as in absolutely true. They can be mostly right or apply to most people, but the way he talks in absolutes confusses me between is he wrong because he believes that or the way he expressed it it's dramatic? Fck knows
I hd the same problem, i didnt stop and it got better, you didnt give your body enough time to adapt. Thats assuming you werent going 6-7 days a week for a few hours a day, though. Then yes that wouldnt be beneficial.
if you don't believe in overtraining, you quit when you're tired. people who dig deep know, you need recovery.
The definition of , trust me bro.
stay losing then and don't listen to someone who's 1000x more successful than you
Your body will tell you that you are overtraining. Listen to it. If you are in pain, give it a few days of rest. If you are sore one day or two. I've gotten a lot better results living more in tune with my body.
💯 or 3 or 4...
He needs to read the studies on junk volume 😬
he's not talking about junk volume! smfh...
Hes talking about overtraining… one of the biggest causes of overtraining is junk volume… smh…
Either he gets off on criticising people for not doing certain things in the exact manner that he does them in or he has zero understanding of how Muscle Protein Synthesis works on a mechanistic level and how the central nervous system DOES indeed fatigue after a while.
or he was just a little mad that day?
It’s nice that you’re compassionate towards him but no, obviously not! Why? Because he’s imparting THE SAME advice at a much later point in time.
He's completely right here dude. It of course only goes to a certain point and there's diminishing returns, but his point is valid in that your body builds up tolerance to more sets, that's why you do deloads
@@Dropshot06 Rest weeks or deload periods are to reset your mTOR pathways which if you don’t, you will end up overtraining. Once said pathways go through a reset, the point of diminishing returns is pushed back at the cost of a small loss in strength.
Overtraining is strictly to do with how much your body can handle. When I did a training camp for an amateur boxing competition I was running 5 miles just to warm-up, then functional strength training, then pad work, the bag work then sparring with my trainer. All that was 5 days per week. I was on 4 different painkillers everyday just to push through the pain and complete the program. Why? I guess I wanted to challenge myself like that.
And what happened in the end? After 3 weeks I wore down my immune system to such an extent that I had the mother of all chest infections and couldn’t complete the 4 week program. It was so bad that I had a raging fever for 6 days and needed looking after.
So overtraining is real. Don’t listen to people like Hormozi because he might have the genetic make-up of an elite athlete and not even know it. People like you and I do not.
Which makes his advice that much more dangerous. Why? Because of ego most people take almost everything personally when in truth, far too many things in life are outside our control.
You can be in the best shape of your life but only patience will get you there safely.
deloads are gay@@Dropshot06
Absolutely no - love this guy. But this is back door science. There is a limit, where more reps will do nothing for you
Yeah he definitely simplified it but he kinda has point your trying to achieve muscular failure that's where growth happens but almost every one including myself underestimates their true limit before that line and you never quite know unless you push. pull ups are great exercise because it really shows your limits with little injury problems
@@calebwoods9242 it’s more sets a 5th set scientifically does no better then 3-4 sets. That’s what I meant by “more” not being scientifically backed.
Signs of overtraining: Injury.
Have a couple of injuries and that attitude will train. ive been training for about 12 years now and have had 2 injuries. Avoid injuries like the plague, they put you out for weeks or months and they never fully go back to pre injury capacity.
It is very easy for people who like to lift to overtrain.
Like you said, it causes injuries. The body is not able to sustain the rate of catabolism and something gives. People who say overtraining is a myth train like pussies, or are on the roids
That is BS, and every trainer actually interested in you succeeding instead of burning out and leaving without cancelling gym subscription will tell you so. This is even MORE BS if you work with really heavy stuff like barbells and kettlebells, because there, technique is just as important as effort, and if you are overtrained and tired, kiss your technique and your health goodbye, because you WILL injure youself. Don't listen to that BS.
He doesn't have to worry about that. He's on roids. I like when people abuse roids, take the easy way out and call others a p*ssy. The hypocrisy.
I completely agree with you. It is BS.
Overtraining is definitely not a myth. More than 3-4 days tops of compound lifts per week does not give your CNS time to recover. If you just train for pumps & not strength & isolate body parts specifically enough, yeah you can train everyday, but that’s just kinda retarded & inefficient
His point that I got from listening to the video and not just reading the title, is that you can’t truly overtrain if you don’t work out that much in the first place. Start working out more, then you can start worrying about overtraining.
Of course he knows overtraining is real. It’s just a title to grab your attention. If you listen to the video he says overtraining is something to worry about once you actually work out frequently.
@@Thisisausername556 see I would argue the opposite is true. The more your body adapts to frequent workouts, the quicker it recovers. A newbie will be sore for a week after lifting when he first starts so he should weight train even less frequently imo.
I mean, that's not true. Many guys train 5x or 6x successfully. I personally do that and track and progress on my lifts almost every week. Saying 4x a week is the limit is stupid.
Though I generally won't take fitness advice from a guy on gear like Alex.
Overuse injuries are a risk if you don't rest enough. Muscles and tendons need time to recover from micro-damage or that micro-damage will become macro-damage and you won't be able to train at all.
Ive had tendinopathy in my elbows and knees from push ups and running everyday when i was younger. Overtraining is real
Systematic fatigue is real. I do 3 days on and 1 day off and on that 3rd day( chest day), I feel very drained out.
Dude clearly doesn’t know what he talking about. Shame. Better listen to reneissance periodization or other channels who have a clue about fitness and training
But if you dress up like he does and look, speak as if you know what you’re saying, people will think you’re a genius.
@@ottz2506 that's the point... And that's a big bummer. Even good and credbible podcasters like Huberman, Rogan (especially) sometimes talk nonsense and invite very controversial person and fraudsters :(
@@vasyaputin9628 I get put off when I see people who dress and act like they’re mountain men and act like it’s a personality.
As a big Dr Mike fan, there is some truth to what this guy says. The average gen pop gym goer is nowhere near overtraining, train with dog shit form, no progressions RIR 8 etc
@@1234Cheesus But the guy is saying that overtraining is a myth.
90% of these comments are missing the point. Hes saying that most people concerned with "overtraining" are sitting on their hands doing nothing. Start just training first, and then worry about over training later. Many people use "overtraining" as an excuse to not even get started.
Thank you man. I’d say the same thing, but you said it better. Pin this comment. Upvote upvote upvote.
Its the wrong mesaage because the people who think theyll just get off the couch and push their limits will be at much higher risk for injuries. Ive had tendinopathy in my elbows and knees from excessive volume
then say that. don't say 'overtraining is a myth' like some handy grind-set tool.
awful advice
sure mr. jacked guy
@@rockyblumble Dr. Jacked Guy, didnt spend 8 years in jacked school to be called mister!
This is now my new "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
*Mike mentzer enters the chat*
Mike mentzer still overtrained just all in 45 minutes 3x a week
@@Fanplay1yeah people think it's the volume that leads to over training but it's really just the intensity. 3 hard sessions a week if you're pushing hard enough can lead to over training. Most people don't have the mental toughness to over train on 3 sessions a week though.
@@lachlan_bakewell Lmao, both contribute to overtraining. Doing 1 all out set 1x a week ain't gonna do sh*t. Doing a LOT of volume with good intensity is what causes overtraining.
@@himeshsinghshishodiya sorry for the confusion. I I was referring to a set amount of volume with various amounts of intensity. Obviously you need enough volume of the high interest to cause the negative effect. Keep in mind that I'm an endurance athlete and not a strength athlete. So the volume is guaranteed but the intensity isn't. Most of my training is hours on a bike, running or kayaking with very minimal time spent doing weights in the gym. My idea of an intense session might be a running race over around 1 hour at close to max hr and my idea of volume might be a 5 hour bike ride at zone 1 and 2. Now, both of these sessions have both volume and intensity and will both take their toll of the body but you need a lot more volume at low intensity to see the same overtraining effects.
"If you dont die, you get better". Exactly. There was a crossfit person in the news who did so many reps their muscles failed, broke down, and they did die.
Runner here. Overtraining (too much weekly volume) is real. Doing too much leaves you more tired for your next workout, taking away from the quality of that workout.
Overreaching is real, too. Overreaching is hitting any one workout faster than you should. That trains a different system than the one you're targeting, eg V02 max when you meant to target lactate onset.
But, this dude's point that recovery is itself trainable is also true. Just be careful to know your present limits.
Video of the week!
It’s called the laws of diminishing returns not only that if your keeps adding more and more sets like this dude implies it’s actually counter active . The only thing I can see this giving you improvement is in your cardiovascular stamina.
Coming from someone who is 6’3, 235 and lifts multiple times a week, you can over train. The gym is my daily release and it has caused plateaus but the number of people who get to that point are less than 2%. So take what Alex has to say with some context.
uncle rabdo coming in clutch with the knowledge
Calling another man someones boy toy is weird on its own to me, unless thats how he introduces himself
This is true...
If you're Wolverine
Why anyone wanna do that? You can use the time to train other parts of you like your brain, spiritual awareness, emotional fitness so you can be more balanced.
Yeah but if you didn’t get the memo, none of that matters unless you’re worth $100 million and even once you reach that point, it’s more important to spam everyone with that “fact”.
@@user-uj6td5wj2h says who that none of it matters?
You either die or adapt. Just ask construction workers who lift 8 hours a day, 5+ days a week. They seem to be in pretty good shape.
Do they actually lift 8 hrs a day? Do they go to failure everytime? Do they just do isometric training and conditioning or train like a bodybuilder with eccentric and concentric contractions?
That mentality is a good way to either burn out or get injured...or die.
Yet there is another aspect for highly populated countries and that is withstanding hunger for many hours not worrying for stomach acidification also improving a different kind of stamina not easy for general well CARED families. Thanks.
This guy is such a bundle of fun
I couldn’t get out of bed with over to raining and never been in a gym since
Ummm no. As a triathlete and endurance athlete I can attest that overtraining is real, and can absolutely derail fitness.
Why is everyone forgetting when he said "When you look like you train"
He's talking about novices.
Boy Toy. Hahahahahah
It is really easy to observe. If I stop making gains, I can halve the frequency of heavy workouts for that body part and that makes me resume making gains. I replace half the heavy workouts with half weight workouts so my muscles won't get sore at the next heavy workout.
I ALWAYS get injured if I push much at all. I've tried getting in good shape many times my whole life. At 54, I just walk a lot, and even then I'll have injuries that make me have to stop for a few weeks.
It's the "boy toy" for me. You had to discredit his existence and access into your circle, which was through your mutual female friend.
This is kind of a bad suggestion. He kind of touches on the issue without realizing the issue.
Yes, your resilience is itself trainable, but the people who are going to notice overtraining most are the people who aren't adapted to the work. This means the new guys.
Most people aren't going to overtrain. If you work a 9-to-5, you have kids and a house to maintain. You simply don't have the time to get to that point. Your issue is more lack of recovery.
Yeah lingering sports/work injuries which is very common for normal people is a great reason not to overtrain, but to train none the less. He is talking about healthy people who have never trained
In fairness he does say "once you start looking like you work out then you can worry about overtraining." Most people don't train hard enough. But overtraining is a real thing, and it's not just "die or adapt, or get injured or adapt." What he's wrong about is this "if you don't get injured you get better." No, you don't always get injured, but you will get worse.
There was some conference with goggins and some science nerd. The science nerd said "This is not impossible, you would die, this is beyond limits." Goggins said "I've done it.". Practice and theory is different. I'll listen to this guy before I listen to a skinny fat nerd. I used to schedule my workouts and worry about over training, guys that just went after it, ran by me.
goggins has no cartilage in his knees and multiple organs damaged.
I work in forestry and, to an extent, he's right. We walk long distances over rough terrain carrying 30-50lbs of gear in all weather, year round. When you first start out; you're absolutely demolished. After a month or two and providing you don't get injured; your body adapts. I'm talkin 10 days straight in the bush. 4 days off.
There are many factors that play into this. Just listen to your body but dont slack off. Simple as that
I'm gonna guess overtraining means something else, because you need rest days for your muscles to grow.
There’s for sure differences in what’s optimal for a given person. I’ve trained like a maniac with little rest and I’ve taken more rest a when I got older amd more busy with family etc. I got bigger with more rest.
Let's not forget that steroids make your recovery 3 times faster. Homies on the juice😂
Half of you are waiting till January 1st to start working out again😂😂😂 this man speaks from logic & experience.
The only valid spin on this point is that it is HARD to overtrain and it is common for people to decrease training intensity when they have not in fact reached the overtraining zone. But the idea that overtraining is not real is a completely ludicrous notion. If it were true all athletes would train 12 hours per day every day and never rest or do recovery work.
Hormezi talking about hormesis! 😊
You can even overtrain your body in one day. Some people do 7 8 different bicep exercise in a day and do 5 6 sets each so at the end you overtrain your biceps. It is better to do 2 or 3 bicep exercise with 3 sets and go absolute failure at the last set. Because 7x5 set is 35 set for biceps and it becomes cardio if you are not pushing yourself each set.
This is very true for endurance sports. You don't train to be faster on race day. You train so that you can train more. Remember though, 80% of you total volume should be easy or Zone 2 cardio. You definitely can over train. You autonomic nervous system can only handle so much stess and load. It's not the volume that leads to over training but the intensity. Keep in mind that he is talking about training volume and not necessarily intensity it all depends on your goals. If I do more than 1 "hard" session per week my energy levels and fitness start plummet. Although my idea of a hard session is a race or VO2 intervals ect. It's a lot more difficult to overtrain if you're just lifting weights, you can over train but most people don't push hard enough for that to happen. I think at the end of the day what he is really saying is you're probably not training hard enough if you're not seeing results so why would you be worried about over training. All just IMO of course...
Yes, but if you're burnt out, that's equal to an injury
Ngl this guy is usually on point for me but he’s not natural so of course he isn’t concerned with overtraining. This is terrible advice for most people
Mike Mentzer would highly disagree. Granted both him and Alex were not natty, Mike’s philosophy to approaching training is much better than Alex’s.
Does not apply for naturals. My nervous system is fried after certain workouts I will only have like 40% of my original strength again after 2 days.
This bro had some success in business and now has a very annoying know it all take on basically everything in life. Also, probably on that high dose 'TRT'.
It’s the classic “I was successful in one area (or I was right on x) so that therefore means I can give solid educated advice on absolutely everything”.
This is the definition of confidentiality incorrect. Discussing fitness like a meat head and not incorporating anything but baseless opinion.
He’s right in everything he’s saying, even for nattys (as long as your sleep and food intake is done properly)
Nope. Natties can surely get injured with that mindset, especially beginners. Beginners will either burn out or get injured. He's on roids, he can do whatever the fkk he wants and still gain muscle.
@@himeshsinghshishodiya I’m natty and been training this style for years, your choice to feel like a victim
If you aren’t taking testosterone… overtraining is an absolute possibility
When I notice I’m not getting stronger I’ll take 7-10 days off the gym to heal up… and I always come back stronger
This is objectively and scientifically incorrect. I see his point - most individuals will never actually go hard enough to be “overtrained”. But you CAN overtrain. There is a point where additional effort is counterproductive and negatively impacts your recovery. Your goal should be to go to the gym, do enough work to stimulate a muscle growth response, and then go home and recover.
Not that anyone cares but I started doing about half the volume and gained allot of muscle.
10-20 sets per week per muscle is the general guideline if you do more and recover your probably not training close enough to failure and vise versa
As a guy who had patellar tendonitis, dont listen to this kids. Everybosys different. Start somewhere comfortable and progressively overload.
this is like one of those satire grindset guys
except he's serious
yeah and except he's actually achieved real world stuff
Technically it’s very hard to “overtrain”. You’re literally just tired. Chill.
Mozi has admitted to be on TRT but besides the fact he is right you have to push yourself
Along with overtraining don't forget to take 💉
It’s really really hard to overtrain. You can easily fatigue yourself but getting yourself to rabdo symptoms is really difficult to achieve.
What!? Is the central nervous sustnot a thing? But I get what he is saying 90% poeple mebet get close to overtraining
Injuries... so overtraining isn't a myth
Mike Mentzer seems to have a different opinion.
This is bs I overtrained and broke my hip. You definitely can overdue it.
Hormozi is on TRT so his advice is dogwater for someone natural. You 100% can overtrain. Granted I think he’s kind of making the point that most people probably aren’t overtraining and it’s kind of a silly fear but it’s 100% possible
Yes, but building muscle shouldnt be the same as training for a marathon. Concise, intense, and specific training is what gains muscle.
There is very much is a possibility for one to overtrain with lifting, and a lot of people probably are, and that is why a lot of people hit plateaus, among other things.
Building muscle takes time and rest. This is mandatory. Once this guy looks better than mentzer, yates, or platz, then I will take his exercise advise
Keep in mind this guy is enhanced 😂
What a creep
Good to hear you Ken. Glad this conversation took place.
His ego is talking hard. The True answer is listen to what your body it telling you and adjust accordingly.
"Bro"
Anyone who thinks this is awful advise hasn’t tried it out for themselves and lets emotions run how they workout
Mike Mentzer already debunked this…
He needs to stop talking about things he has no idea about. Just being cocky, constantly emphasizing what tough guy is is throughout this entire podcast...
Bro has a phd in bro science
Steroids also helps your recovery i heard
what a stupid thing to say! people do get injured regularly and long term might even shorten their life span.
Well when you’re pumped to the gills with TRT and steroids, of course you don’t believe in overtraining
if you think overtraining is a myth, you must not be working out that hard. i'm guessing this guy's a softie. looks like tarzan, trains like jane
reporting for misinformation.
Train like Mike Mentzer, Yates or Tom Platz and see how that overtraining goes bro 😂😂
Eh, I'll take broad strokes for 100 Chris. Answer, what is a Charlatan. Correct!!
This is such a dumb take tbh.
If your workouts are unsustainable, you'll quit lol
Yeah if you're on roids and do light weight pump work I guess you can't really overtrain. As a natural if you aren't pushing your muscles to failure you will never grow. Pump training doesn't work for naturals, and heavy weight is dangerous for the joints. 3-4 heavy sets per session is more than enough.
Yah sorry Alex overtraining certainly isn't a myth
Terrible take 🤣 overtraining is a real concept, impacting athletes of all skill levels. This “you can’t overtrain” if you’re a beginner concept is plain dumb
Social media is so dangerous. Everybody can say whatever they want. This guy is dangerous.
Ooooh yeah so dangerous. Wait until he makes the world a better place with his business advice😨
Lol. Poor analysis leads to poor conclusions. He says if don't die, or you don't get injured you will get better.
That is absolutely not correct. Once you become advanced you will realize how important it is to measure things because you will notice that almost nothing happens when you are advanced if you are not doing the correct things in the right amount. You will really have to get to know your body.
This is so easily falsifiable and yet bros in the comments rushing to his defense. I'm still shocked Chris has this guy on here to say so many ridiculous things. The podcast was filled with so much trash.
Except in hot yoga
Not really n
Who's going to tell him about RSI?
some people prefer to actually get jacked vs getting all the sciency shit right
Mike mentzer rolling in his grave