Net Neutrality in the US: Now What?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Comprehensive info. From 2014 when we narrowly avoided losing net neutrality, but they just keep trying, don't they? 2017 version of this video would be almost identical.
Much links and fun times below:
We've stopped things like this before! You have power if you bother to take it.
Video script and better formatted version of the links below can be found on my blog: vihart.com/net-...
Politicians love when you personally contact them! It is a fact. If you're not in the US, make sure your local government considers this state of affairs an embarrassment for the US, not something to model your own rules on.
List of FCC commissioners and their twitters, emails, blogs, instagrams, etc: www.fcc.gov/lea...
Don't know how to contact your representative? Find out who they are and let them know you're watching them! whoismyrepresen...
List of all proceedings available for comment: apps.fcc.gov/ec...
Learn more about all this stuffs:
Court case ruling cable internet as an "information service" rather than "telecommunications service": en.wikipedia.or...
Communications act of 1934, describing common carriers under title II: en.wikipedia.or...
Telecommunications act of 1996, including Title V, the CDA: en.wikipedia.or...
Communications Decency Act, part of the Telecommunications act of 1996, which protected ISPs from liability: en.wikipedia.or...
The FCC's Open Internet Order 2010:
en.wikipedia.or...
Verizon had the above overturned in 2014 as not applying to non-common carriers:
en.wikipedia.or...)
A couple other attempts at net neutrality things:
en.wikipedia.or...
en.wikipedia.or...
Data on internet speed from study "The Cost of Connectivity": oti.newamerica....
Terms to know
Antitrust law: en.wikipedia.or...
Cartel: en.wikipedia.or...
Common carrier: en.wikipedia.or...
DMCA: en.wikipedia.or...
FCC: en.wikipedia.or...
Game theory: en.wikipedia.or...
ISP: en.wikipedia.or...
Monopoly: en.wikipedia.or...
Net neutrality: en.wikipedia.or...
Oligopoly: en.wikipedia.or...
Telecommunication: en.wikipedia.or...
Also see these other videos on the topic:
BlinkPopShift: • Net Neutrality is Dead...
CGPGrey: • Internet Citizens: Def...
Extra Credits: • Net Neutrality - What ...
Hank Green: • Hank vs. Hank: The Net...
Thankyou Emily Eifler and Christopher Hart for their advice!
This video is Creative Commons non-commercial share-alike.
This is such a great explanation!
Felicia Day This other VIDEO is also an EXCELLENT explanation... "fake" but BRILLIANT… plus.google.com/u/0/110811729614009320896/posts/4iY3GA7aNp8 ... Don't forget to make your voice heard in the "official" FCC comments feedback system for "GN Docket No. 14-28": apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=14-28&filedFrom=X ...from this page there with list of issues: www.fcc.gov/comments
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Her _doodles in math class_ are also loads of fun to watch!
Yes..because the solution to 'fallout' from government regulation is more government regulation... /eyeroll.
And please don't use 'capitalism' w/re to any discussion today...we haven't had 'capitalism' in this country since the early 20th century. We've had 'corporatism'...regulation established to create barriers-to-entry, happily put into effect by government officials looking for their next handout.
John Brown (I may regret feeding the trolls, but…) When private businesses subvert the free market with monopolies, we have two options: make it illegal, or march on corporate headquarters with torches and pitchforks. I, for one, refuse to roll over and get screwed by selfish jerks in the name of liberty.
This is the best breakdown of Net Neutrality i've seen. Use the internet as much as we do? You should watch this.
oh shit... i've been blaming netflix when Verizon is wrong?
D: im sry netflix.
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Austin Hauvasko
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+Nick Already took a screenshot!
ISP: "That's some awfully nice data you have there. It'd be a real... shame.., if something were to happen to it."
lol
losthor1zon lol
I was watching you "How to draw a perfect circle" video and I thought, "Man, she is super funny." Now I'm watching this and I think "Man, She's super smart!"
In other words, your super good at everything.
She's also super pretty, super good at singing and playing instruments and super good at drawing, she's basically perfect
48 special spices and you choose salt... bravo *slow claps*
she shows her face in one video and she is absolubtely beautifull as well
Micah Buzan agreed
Hopefully this reaches the masses.
Excellent video... I hadn't understood this issue enough.
Geoff Collins you still haven"t, and neither has vi
AnarchistMetalhead So I've seen you a couple times now stating that Vihart has yet to understand what the issue here really is, but you don't seem to want to explain it yourself. Care to at least explain why you cant be bothered to explain it yourself since you seem to be the only one that knows what the problem is?
Micheal Currier this is what i posted a a standalone message:
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Logan!
The fact that this whole issue is a thing proves how morally bankrupt the US is.
***** I don't think that's fair; I think it's just like Vi says. Monopolies are an inevitable result, when you leave businesses to their own devices. That's true anywhere, not just the US. The problem here is monopoly, not moral bankruptcy.
+Leo King Which, as Vi pointed out, isn't an issue in many other capitalist countries. Oversight is the difference, but our unique stance on citizens united put that down the pooper.
+Leo King monopolies are impossible in most industries without government intervention of the market. Internet services are the one exception.
Agreed cuz
Thanks Vihart, for offering the solution… (Unlike other RUclipsrs who makes us freak about this without explaining what we should do!)
CGP Grey made it super easy too!
That's a lesson for anybody who wants to impact change: include in your message all the information to turn it into an actionable item. Then people will act.
yeah heaven forbid you'd have to think for yourself!
EntrE01 It is not always obvious to figure what you can do in such context… It is not really about "thinking by myself," but knowing what are the options… Especially in similar cases, where you are presented with a [probably unknown] problem where you also probably don't know what you can do about it…
Also, in most cases people won't do anything but be freaked by the situation while doing nothing about it… If you take the time to convince somebody that something is problematic, you should probably also propose a solution.
Talking about problems without offering any solution is usually worst than not talking about it… And it is annoying!
that is nonsense! spreading awareness of a problem promotes the discovery of a solution. combining the resources and ideas of many by spreading the knowledge of a problem leads to a solution. if everyone just kept problems to themselves because they don't have a solution, nothing will get done. also the fact that you find it annoying is your problem and you should deal with it, not the people actually trying to spread awareness!
EntrE01 Are you are trying to Troll me? I am pretty sure you understand what I meant… Or maybe is it your thing to contradict people?
I'm basically a libertarian, I so hate that the right-wing political parties don't understand that this is about individual freedom, not about harming businesses
ditto
+Rational Raven Well it's pretty common knowledge that 99% of both political parties take from corporate donors, including the telecommunications business. I would say that 99% of the right's argument is formulated around what their donors tell them, and this was almost 100% proven when Ted Cruz said that he had no idea what Net Neutrality even was, even after calling it "Obamacare for the Internet".
I'm a libertarian too, so it ticks me off that some people (*cough you) don't understand that this is about property and business rights and that it has nothing to do with individual liberty. You don't have a right to the internet. People have to pay money to set it up for you. It's a good. That's like saying "I'm a libertarian, which is why I believe in socialism. It's about individual liberty to have free stuff".
@@owlblocksdavid4955 It's about the right for ISPs to overcharge for an existing service that requires little investment to keep running. :)
Can I get the dollar amount you spend on sharpies in one year
$a lot
See her "infinity" video.
If you'd like to do more than contact the FCC or your representative, remember that there's an election coming up in November, and congress has the authority to change the law.
It frustrates me when people don't vote, yet complain policy doesn't reflect their interests.
It's not like it would make a difference for me, a minor. I can't really have a legal say in the matter until I turn 18. So I just have to sit by and fume about how stupid people are and about how annoying the government is...
ellock1998 You can still influence how your parents or other people vote. Help spread information about things like this at least.
There's a problem with your case, you think the people still have power over our government. You're wrong. Corporations and the rich do. It's all thanks to the fuckwads in the Supreme Court voting the way the did in cases like Buckley v Valeo, Citizen's United, and McCutcheon vs FEC. These supreme court fucks are bought off just as much as our congressmen and so they have voted and become activist judges in ways to give corporations and the rich more power.
Hell, we don't even really get a real election. Do you know there are two elections in every election cycle? There's the general election everyone votes in, but there's another election months before where the rich choose who even runs for office. We have to fix this. The best way is to support
www.wolf-pac.com/the_plan
and see this through. Though, personally, I'd prefer we killed every single lobbyist and corrupt government official. Fuck them all. They're useless selfih assholes who have ruined our country for their own prosperity.
Still, I'd urge people to support wolf pac or groups like wolf pac that are pushing for an emendment to remove corporate personhood and the ability to buy off our politicians.
ellock1998 You could always volunteer for a campaign by knocking doors, or making calls.
ybra Oh my dad is an advocate for Netflix's argument and completely agrees with Vi, my mom does as well. We actually talk about politics a lot. as with things like that there will not be a 100% right or 100% wrong answer.
You just explained in 11 minutes a subject that took my professor 180 minutes to teach... and you did it better.
Bravo.
Hello 2014, this is 2017 checking in to let you know the villains have won.
Hello 2017 this is 2022, yikes...
@@EdbertWeisly hello 2022 this is 2026
2024 called... Says 'no big deal... No worries..'
Life goes on as usual.
2024 called, it wants to tell you that the villains have finally lost
Thanks for making things so clear for me. From now on, I'm using FedEx for all my shipping!
I hope you're joking...
Explain? ;o
*****
um, i think he was just trying to be FUNNY
Brad Carter I laughed. Nicely done
I send all my cactus through FedEx.
So, the real problem is that bribery in the form of lobbying is legal.
No, it's just that people like to pretend lobbyists are the only ones in favor of net neutrality. People still think the nra is so important because of its donations.
Owlblocks David Fuck you. There is no good reason to repeal net neutrality. Don't you think it's a little fishy that the current head of the FCC is a Verizon fuckboy?
This is more like blackmail.
I've seen three videos on this...from Vlogbrothers, CGP Greg, and now Vihart. This is what made sense of everything. The metaphors were perfect. Thank you.
So basically the cable companies want to extort websites legally.
This is the first time I've heard an explanation that seems to make sense and be free of bias. Wonderfully done.
It's sort of like EA, you pay full price for a game, but then they make the game worse so you have to pay extra to get your full experience. Since there's no other game like the new Battlefront, you have to pay up to get the access you want EVEN THOUGH you're already paying as if you can play the full game.
i can just imagine vihart's house full of these notebooks. must be quite the sight.
Vi, this is perfect. You are the only person giving legal precedent, rather than emotional "save our internet" spiel . You are top tier for this. This is the best net neutrality video and everyone needs to see it.
If you live in an area that has it, I suggest getting RCN as your ISP. 110Mbps download/15Mbps upload speeds for $50 a month.They just doubled everyone's speed for free.It might not be Google fiber, but it is the best deal in town. Best of all it is not Comcast or Verizon, I have never had a problem streaming Netflix.
OMG Vi Hart, thank you so much for posting this!
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Oh, and I'm a math and computer science student at University of Illinois and I just emailed the FCC Chairman, Tom Wheeler, telling him that it is the duty of his office to ensure that the internet is protected under the communications act by classifying ISP's as common carriers.
I admit I have only Comcast in my city. There is either no internet, or Comcast. Not having Net Neutrality would only make this situation worse.
Thanks for clearing things up and giving points for action!
Notch said this was a pretty dadgum good video, so by golly I'm about to watch it and learn a thing. *serious face*
If only Notch could make a 2nd game worth a god damn maybe what he thinks would mean something... But alas, he's an arcade game maker.
liquidthex
As opposed to ... what? Single-handedly creating a gaming sensation isn't enough, so he's gotta do it twice?
You should find something else to do.
liquidthex Notch already made his millions. He doesn't have to do anything anymore. Not unless he wants to anyways. Notch isn't as concerned about making tons of cash anymore.
if only he wasn't an enormous blistering racist.
Tzadik Not going to suck the dick of a one-trick pony. I will drink the milk of a true genius, though.
Is America a 3rd world country?
Yes.
Soon...mwahahahaha!!!
It's becoming one.
A 3rd world country is one that is aligned with neither NATO nor the Communist Bloc. The US is not merely aligned with NATO; it IS part of NATO.
Not quite yet, give us a few more years.
National insolvency is going to be AWESOME!!!
The solution is not more regulations. Comcast should be free to be a jerk.
The solution to this is to have more companies. Monopolies don't form naturally, and certainly don't survive much without staying good at what they're doing - it's the government that protects them. Why aren't there ISPs everywhere starting up, offering people the desperately wanted alternative? Fight for freedom, not more regulation!
Why should Comcast be free to be a jerk?
YES! More people should be starting ISPs... because starting a new ISP is sooooooo easy. Are you really implying that the fact that no viable alternatives are popping up means that people are fine with Comcast? Have you ever talked to a person who has it?
Monopolies most certainly do survive without being good at their job. They don't have to be good supermarkets or coffee chains or ISPs, they just have to be good *businesses*. They only have to know the way that the systems work and how to do smart (for them) things with their money. The product is irrelevant.
Why is the mantra always about "freedom"? Since when does freedom not mean the freedom of people from inescapable boundaries and one-option choice? Freedom for corporations is not the same thing as people. Freedom can exist in any economic system, not just laissez-faire capitalism.
If you want to have a semi-socialist stagnant system like this, then by all means continue.
But I think new startups don't appear because of red tape (too much regulation) which takes a long time to comply. Which might be Comcast's fault - all the lobbying for more rules. There should be only one rule: get the most money by offering the best service.
And yes, starting an ISP is easy. As easy as asking someone for money for your Wi-Fi password. But starting a *legal* one is a whole different matter. That's where it hurts. All the authorizations and tax filings you need to work through.
I just want to point out that a multi-BILLION dollar company like Google is having a difficult time competing with Comcast how on earth are new companies supposed to form? Also I don't think you heard anything about what the current debate is about. While it would be awesome for the FCC not to exist, that isn't any of the options presented to us today. Our options are the open internet regulation that would make it okay for ISPs to regulate content or the Common Carrier redefinition which would make it not okay for ISPs to regulate content.
Because the money barrier to start such a company is so incredibly large that it is not possible for anyone to do it. Reason: the cables are built by each company, and no other companies can use it (not like roads, for ex). Here in the UK for one, some company builds the cables; they get to use the most of for some time and after that all other companies are allowed to. And thats why most people will have a choice between 4 ~ 7 internet providers. But on the US there is rarely more than 1 or 2 companies to be chosen between. Thats why monopolies do form naturally over there. Your comment would be okay in other matters, but you didnt think things through long enough about this particular one.
it seems you have never heard of a natural monopoly and don't realise how many billions of dollars it takes to build a network.
Best explanation I've seen yet of net neutrality and why it's important.
Meanwhile in the EU:"The European Parliament has voted to restrict internet service providers' (ISPs) ability to charge data-hungry services for faster network access." BBC News April 3
Living in Romania.
No such bullshit, and 100mbs for 10$ a month.
I really do hope that our government here in the UK is not as batshit crazy to let this happen. I feel for you guys over across the pond, hope it all works out fine!
***** more RUclipsrs need to raise awareness, this whole debacle seems so ridiculous.
Happening again ;-;
And even worse than the first time! They must be stopped!
Just wanted to take the time and say I found this video to be exceptionally well thought-out and presented, the information thought (and action)-provoking. Keep up the good work!
So basically what I took away from this was that majoring in business takes people's logic, common sense, and decency/dignity and replaces it with greed and ways to get the most money the fastest.
No, assholes who major in business are the ones who have all of that replaced with greed.
Good luck America. Cos unfortunately what happens there very often starts spreading to the world, and I don't want this shit where I live.
Not to mention that if Netflix didn't pay up and went bust as a repercussion of this we in other countries (UK based here) would suffer too...
Meg Challinor Luckily for you guise, America has set into the inevitable decline that every hyperpower gos through. I think that the geopolitical climate will look vastly different in a couple of decades. You've just got to hold out for a few more years.
Lobbying should be illegal...
Technically, corruption IS illegal. But it would be pretty difficult to stop it from happening when the only way to get any kind of power in the USA is to be part of it.
Wonderful explanation.
"T-mobile cant purposely drop your call when your trying to order a pizza if Domino's wont pay them a cut of the order"
That line particularly sums it up.
Netflix should have artificially slowed themselves down for a month and offered their customers that month for free with a constant message saying "this is how slow it will be if they're allowed to do this." I bet most people would still pay their bill.
Really informative video, thank you Vihart!
...and here we go again.
No net neutrality in the US: now what? Comming soon?
Vi Hart: ahead of the game since FOREVER.
"Email the FCC" yeah like they will give a shit what us peasants think. Seems like it's time to grab our pitchforks.
Hey, Vi, Can I just copy and paste this script from your website and use it for my official comment, It words the issue way better than I ever could
Meanwhile, in Australia, we're still waiting for the second half of this video to load...
If you switch to the HTML5 player, it magically works faster. I don't know why...
David Wales Probably because your ISP is slowing down RUclips content delivery traffic, and haven't gotten to the HTML5 formats yet.
David Wales Ya :) I'm on the HTML5 player as it is; I was sort of more making a joke about Australia internet speeds (which are a joke on the international scale).
$100 for 10 Mbytes a second? WOW!
I live in Sweden and pay about $30 for 100Mbytes.
Canada is over here, trying our butts off to get fibre to the homes.
Mbits/s, you mean. ISPs usually denote speeds in bits/s. 8 bits = 1 byte.
100 Mbits/s for $15 a month, and 1000 Mbits/s for $35
Yes, but the prices for 1Gbit/s can be twice or three times as much depending on where you live, although they're getting overall cheaper everywhere. I personally never needed more than 100Mbit/s.
Thank you for this and all your information videos. I am glad to finally have some time today to address as many of these links that you have provided. Everlasting gratitude to your gift of artistic explanation.
Vi Hart brings her usual insight to an unusual topic: Internet politics. Well worth watching if you care about the Net.
Encourage everyone to sign the petition. It's relevant to everyone in the country. We'll lose the internet as we know it!
no. no you wont. the internet as you know it right now is the bad kind. it wont get worse.
Ohad Balash In what way is this worse than what is proposed?
she didnt propose anything. she stated things as they are. this isnt a possible future. its the present.
this is the present. And if not stopped, it will get worse. I'm not sure why you think this is the bottom.
rest assured. it wont be stopped. this is america we are talking about. greed is good and all that jazz.
You know, this is another good exaple of the fact that people are selfish. That´s natural, but with common sense and the knowlegde that to be selfish is not very good you should understand that this can't keep on working like this, and I hope that the next generation of people sees this and at least tries to stop it.
preach it!!
We are paying for Internet speeds that we are not actually getting. The reasoning from our ISP is that our house is near the end of a cable line (mind you I'm in the Bay Area so it's super populated). This means if we want (for instance) 10mb/s we have to pay for 25mb/s to account for the slow down. Why not fix the cable and try to encourage more people to use your service?
I know right! We're not nearly getting what we paid for. Our wifi should be like 30 mb/s but right now we're only getting less than ten. In fact, sometime our internet goes down for an once in a while. And as far as I can tell, most of the big files I download become corrupter or have an invalid checksum. That's probably because my internet hiccups and leaves some files behind. Fix your stuff ISPs. That's why we pay you money!
UntoldAnimations its your job to maintain a proper wify or just use a lan cable its better anyway. Your problems sound very much like the typical wifi problems in crowded areas.
spinnenente It's not our job to do what we pay for.
Video just stopped playing... Damn you Comcast
I saw a link for your videos in the monthly Mensa magazine and I wasn't disappointed. After watching several videos you've made, it's obvious that you're extremely talented and bright. Now I have something to kill time with at work!
Stick figures do help explain things, even the details of #netneutrality
I enjoyed the video. Thanks!
A solid, solid summary of a ridiculous-but-dire situation; definitely re-posting.
i'm watching in 2017 so i'm currently wishing it was 2014 again
WE WON WOOHOOOOOO!
Xidnaf???? Fancy seeing you here!
Sadly, the TÅP ):
Ummm just not yet
Xidnaf ha you would have thought.
eye roll emoji you guys will win anyway, it's still getting to court and 17 stated already want to sue the FCC
***** just reminded me why I love her so much! By far the best _(and easiest to understand)_ explanation of why Net Neutrality is a big deal everyone should care about.
Wowzers... watched this 7 years after you created... oh my goodness... to be unaware of this entire situation when it was occurring is fascinating to me. Thank you for creating this information. Hugs! 🌈🚀❤️🎶
What this argument boils down to is trust. If you trust the government more that private corporation, you'll support net neutrality. If you trust private corporations more than the government, you'll be opposed to it. I personally trust the government more, so I'm excited about the FCC ruling. Feel free to disagree with me. If you trust private corporations more, fine, that's your right. But let's stop acting like the people you disagree with on this issue are "wrong." They just trust different people more than you do, be it corporations or government.
You, sir, are the first person (that I've seen) on this side of the issue who hasn't called people on the other side of the issue "stupid."
I disagree with you, but also thank you for a sane, rational comment. Maybe talk to your friends who agree with you and tell them to calm down with the name-calling. It's never persuasive.
Have a good day.
"I personally trust the government more" The most evil people on the planet, the most vile people imaginable work for the government. If you're worried about someone committing nefarious deeds in regards to the internet, or pretty much anything, you should be strongly opposed to government. They're the very last people in the entire solar system that you should trust.
I too disagree with you, but completely respect your summation. You're right. It's about a difference in who we trust. Great comment!
Trust obama? Yea?... Lol
"Trust" "Government? lmao your crazy af.
I fully agree with your message, but I have to take a bit of an issue with your book analogy. I'm not making an argument for internet providers here.
When you buy a book you pay a delivery fee for every package, so as you say, more books is more business. But for internet you pay for a theoretical maximum usage, not for the amount of data. Which would be like paying the a delivery man a set amount to get up to 10 books/week or something like that.
The thing is, the vast majority of people don't use their maximum internet speed 24 hours a day. So it's a great deal for the provider when you pay for X amount of service but only use like 5% of that. Maybe you only use the full speed of your internet an hour every day or maybe you only order a book every week when you are paying for 10.
This is a problem the internet providers have put them self in to. They have sold internet speed, expecting people to only use a tiny fraction of it, but when things like streaming hd video is becoming more and more popular, people are using their internet way more.
So Netflix haven't really given the ISP more business as you say in the video, rather Netflix have made people use more of their internet capacity without paying any more for it. It's like if the book delivery man have been use to people only getting 1 book every week, and now all of a sudden people want him to deliver the full 10. The book deliverer will have more work while not getting any more money. Not putting the blame on the customer here, the provider offered the deal and should now have to live with it.
If anything this is the internet providers wanting to be payed extra because of a miscalculation on their part of the increase of traffic.
If the ISPs miscalculate, then it's their problem, no?
frustbox Exactly what I said. My point was that the book analogy doesn't really fit as it is a different payment model.
She could of used something like Amazon Prime's mailing model but why further complicate the issue? the point of this video is to explain a complex issue in as simple a manner as possible.
Your argument is based on your own theory that it costs more for ISP's to deliver more data per megabyte. You are essentially turning this into a resource problem, that ISP's don't have enough resources to provide what they have promised.
It cost the same for an ISP for the customer to use 1mb a month as 12mb or even 30mb a month. Upgrading also hardly costs them anything, the city runs the line either too your house or within 10 feet of it, and if it is more than 10 feet away they charge you anyways.
This is not a resource problem as much as it is a greed problem, ISP's see the quick cash grab potential of this and are jumping on it.
it is different but also realise they add extra crap to their contracts with internet access. Like a fixed term, 12 , 24 months. If you want to cancel within that time you pay a ridiculous fee. They advertise their packages as unlimited but there is a bandwidth limit that if you exceed you get charged extra.
it may not be a perfect analogy but the part of that analogy that matters is still correct. You are paying for a service, if you use that service more, no one should have to pay extra, you or the seller in order to get what was promised.
if they ever do get classified as common carries i can see them doing everything possible to change contracts so everyone pays per bandwidth amount and not speed. then it becomes exactly like the delivery analogy
Brennen Sprimont Well it is a resource problem when it comes down to it. The internet can not take unlimited traffic. And at some point they need to upgrade their lines to be able to keep up with the traffic, especially if they want to keep their promise of the speed they sold the customer.
Just like the book deal in my example, if people suddenly started using their maximum capacity, the books wouldn't fit it the delivery van. Which is a fault of the ISP, it's their responsibility to get a bigger van. But they have instead chosen to exploit this to sell premium spots in their van, that book stores can buy to make sure their books will have a spot in the van and not be late.
I don't think there's anything I can do... right?
I'm not a citizen from the USA, I don't even live there... although I'm pretty sure these use monopolies will effect other people too.
Alex Marsh Thanks, I will think about how to do this :3
I'm afraid it won't work/matter though...
It's nice to see this video getting more attention with the whole net neutrality debate getting heated. People need to understand what they speak of prior to engaging in a "civilized" conversation with others about this issue.
I am studying 12 tones in my Electronic music class at ODU and found your 12 tone video helpful! Subscribed and found this! Love what you are doing! Just found you today so this is only the 3rd video i have watched of yours so far but... WOW!!! -Lizzy-
Liked, favourited, subscribed, commented, shared. Great video.
Terrifying. I am thankful at times like these I don't live in the USA...Google fiber can't lobby fast enough.
Yay for not living in the US
amsd1231 Europe has net neutrality laws in place to prevent ISP's from doing what they're doing in the US :3
ಠ_ృ And that won't save you though. Do people not realize how the infrastructure of the internet is set up in the first place? ALL data, even if it's not bound or from the US, goes through the US. It's stupid it's still like that, but that's how it was built since the US invented and built the internet. It's also why the NSA spies as it does. Yes, it's spying on US citizens, but those same avenues it spies on US citizens are also spying on Chinese, Korean, Russian, British, Mexican, etc governments and people of the world. It does so because of the way the infrastructure is set up.
So ya, even if you aren't in the US, this would be disastrous for you as well.
Lucky >:(
The God Emperor
It won't always be that way. Many amazing things began in the US, but that progress of innovation ins't what it used to be. The rest of the world has caught up, and the way I see it at it's current state, the US is a sinking ship *(._.)*
ಠ_ృ Maybe, but that is if the rest of the world wants to invest in changing the infrastructure. Right now, it's still all going through the US. And IPs are given out by the US.
2017 we are battling this problem again
Update us! A law just passed and I love listening to you and your complete perfect explorations.
I heard a bit of doubt in that last sentence, but it was very clear to me! You Americans are screwed in this regard. I hope it will be solved real soon. In The Netherlands we have 50 Mbps glass-fiber internet for about 50 dollars (calculated from euro's) which also includes telephony and a TV connection. It's an open (and very new) glass-fiber network and any ISP can supply you with internet using this network. It's heaven.
I heard news a long time ago that ISP's were considering the same thing as in America, but luckily that didn't happen.
Australia's getting a 100 Mbps Fiber Optic network. Yayy! It's gonna take a long time but i'ts coming
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Norway have internet!
I'm an American living in Okayama Japan, and I pay about $16 USD (about 1650 JPY) a month for a download speed of about 40 Mbps and upload speed of about 27 Mbps. So yeah, I'm really disappointed in the U.S. about this and many other things.
Romania is in the top 5 highest internet speed, and we got unlimited download and upload for only 10$. fiber optic rullz
Internet's been terrible in Australia forever but nobody cares about that do they?
I was under the impression that at one point in time they were filtering all of your internet access and recently stopped doing that?
Dennis Mackey Nope, our internet just sucks major ass. pathetically slow... like, $80 a month for a few MBp/s
You should do something about it then.
I feel for you Americans. Best of luck guys.
This is the clearest and most comprehensive explanation of Net Neutrality ever! Thank you so much!
I agree, just because that you aren't "Just" a common carrier doesn't mean that your not one. That is like saying that Google is not "Just" a search engine so it is not one.
Anyone that doesn't think Lobbyists run government are either kidding themselves or are simply ignorant. I'm not sure how to solve the problem but it's gotta stop somehow.
Here's a real question related to this video: what's the biggest difference between a collusive oligopoly and a true monopoly? They seem functionally identical to me.
***** So basically, the only difference is that there's a tiny bit more risk in the oligopoly, and in most cases it's probably the same because breaking the collusion goes against the company's best interests?
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Well...I had just recently gained a little more hope for humanity. That hope is no longer.
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Is your nickname the Heartcrusher?
$100 a month?
Wow, they really fuck you for your internet.
In the UK, I pay less than twenty dollars for unlimited high speed internet.
InvalidMemberAccount Wow. I'm on Deutsche Telekom (which already is a more expensive carrier here in Germany because of their monopoly in many areas, including mine) and pay 60 € for 16 MBIt/s unlimited DSL, Phone + IPTV...
InvalidMemberAccount I get 500/500 for that money :/ Netherlands
Come to Romania! $10 for 50 Mbps. Unlimited traffic.
Oh, and did I mention that for $20, you can get up to 1 Gbps?
Time warner is good in california i pay $75 for unlimited 100/mbs a month
Netflix does not give business to Comcast. Netflix did not exist before the internet, and no internet service provider exists because people demanded access to Netflix. Comcast actually gives business to Netflix since without Comcast's expansive(and expensive) infrastructure, Netflix would not be able to offer their streaming services.
Now, on the subject of net neutrality, if you love driving on neglected roads, getting flat tires and broken axles from potholes, being stopped for going to fast, and being stuck in traffic then you're gonna love net neutrality. I just hope you won't mind the tollbooths everywhere.
Wow, this is the most clear explanation of why Net Neutrality is not an issue. Delivery companies could, but do not, act that way! Pretty good evidence that cable providers and other bandwidth providers will not change. Providing the customer who pays you with the service trumps all. Competition ensures that if someone tries to pull this sort of thing (or even appears to be doing so, as has already happened) then they will simply lose marketshare and money.
10 MEGABYTES A SECOND! Wtf. I go with 700 kbps and I'm completely satisfied!
10 megabits. big difference.
Daniel Farmer I swear I heard her say megabytes. That's okay I guess...
The most important part is that your happy. But just for the contrast.
Our isp's haven't offered that slow connections for several years, today the slowest is 2 mbit.
And i can't complain with my 400 mbit connection for 43$ a month.
First of all, I'm sure she meant 10 megabits per second, which is 1.25 megabytes per second, and second of all, you may be fine paying $80 a month for subpar Internet, but not everyone is. There's a reason people from South Korea laugh when they hear about our Internet, we pay fourteen times as much for one-tenth the speed. Also, you may be fine with 700 kilobytes per second (unless you really meant 700kbps, which is 700 kilobits per second, or just under 100 kilobytes per second), but you won't be in the future. To stream 4K resolution video, you need close to 25 megabits per second. You currently have 5.6.
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I got around 700 kilobytes per second which is around 8 megabits per second. I pay around 40$ for it but could get another 4 mbps for extra buck. I live in Croatia.
Oh god this is relevant again
I'm so happy the net neutrality bill passed 😎
Concise and informative! Vi, you gave me a better understanding of the issue than I have had up until this point...and I'm a computer guy.
Beautifully put, and your analogies are very helpful. Thanks!
I just want to play video games online with out it lagging that is all I really care about... I hate telporting back to some random place that I was at a few seconds ago.
Net neutrality rule just came down couple minutes ago. They will be classified common carriers and no fast lanes. U might just get your wish bro! Cheers!
SuperBzerker hope so because it would be nice.
This is by far the best explanation I've had on the subject. Everyone NEEDS to follow through and speak their mind out. It's the only way you can be heard and the only way we can stop from these big monopolies taking over our choice of providers.
I never, and I mean NEVER post comments. However for this video I must.
BRAVO! Very well done!
I have been complaining about this to everyone I know for a while. I hope I have gotten through to those I talk to, but this video may do a much better job than I do. So I've linked it on facebook. I only hope people watch it and don't think it's some sort of spam.
Remember what Jello Apocalypse said about commenting:
D.O.N.T.
The irony is that government intervention is responsible for CREATING the monopolistic state of current ISPs through their own regulations, such as zoning regulations. The solution: More government regulations, eliminating any kind of niche competition to counteract possible ISP refusal of service. This is NOT the way to go...
It seems that you know what is "NOT the way to go", but have no idea what IS the way to go. When monopoly is created, government needs to step in. I don't know if you are old enough to know that back in the 70's, there were very few kinds of telephone. Everyone rented phones from ATT. After government broke ATT monopoly, we now have million kinds of phones, including your smartphones. Internet services must be classified as utility. It is essential to the citizens.
In THIS case, the monopoly is solely due to the government's regulation. Companies like Comcast have established their "turf" and the government keeps the walls VERY high for any break-in competition. Lower the walls and Comcast's monopoly ends. MORE regulation, i.e. raising the walls is NOT the way to go.
Pometown, obviously, if I'm saying what the WRONG thing to do is, in this case disallowing competition, then I know what the right way is.... more competition/less regulation. Derp.
Philip McCorkle When you propose something, it needs to be practical. The "last mile" of our internet connect is owned by those monopoly companies. I don't know how your proposed more competition is going to work. No company is big enough to build a separate line around the country to establish formidable competition with Comcast. Be real! This is NOT the time to discuss ideology. We must deal with our current crisis now.
Right. Think short-term and quick-fix ideas. Gotchya...
I don't know what planet you're from if you think that other big companies don't want to expand their market share. Your kind of thinking is what leads to the current state. "Oh, crap - we've got a problem! Let's get the government to step in and apply these very specific rules that are put in place due to lobbyists for the companies involved. Yeah, that'll fix it!"
Any time you give the government more control over regulating the winners and losers, you are INVITING lobbyists in. That isn't how you make law. You make law based on ideology and philosophy, NOT short-term/quick-fix/band-aid kind of thinking... which is exactly what "net neutrality" proposes.
Philip McCorkle I hope you are NOT a doctor. If you were, most of your patients would die because you would be busy explaining why they got sick in the first place instead of treating them.
Too bad they're billionaires....and can get any law passed they want......democracy is dead in america....!!!
Too many Americans know more about Justin Timberlake than there politicians thats supposed to work for them. Our population has been dumbed down.
GOD! I'm glad I'm not Amerikan right now...
The USA isn't the only country that has these kind of problems by far.
Oh, I know. I just know that my country doesn't. Wich means I don't have to get into the discussion or to take a stand at all, and that's just one less grief for me, I guess...
AnkaFurb At least learn to spell others nationalities right... you give off an air of being condescending to them... I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi but seriously, it's not hard to type "American."
***** Wait you are saying "germanic" languages don't have a c but German does?... Isn't German germanic?
***** If that really is the case then I apologize.
The problem in America is the lack of broadband competition. Companies can make life harder for their competitors, but strangling the competition takes government. It’s really our local governments and public utilities that impose the most significant barriers to entry. The sad truth is, most Americans don't have a choice of cable providers. Sure, there are a lot of cable companies out there, but odds are there's only one you can use in your neighborhood.
im so happy vihart videos are my childhood you are helping out again
me too man I'm so glad I'm a fan of ViHart because this video was the only reason why I knew about Net Neutrality for years
TotalBiscuit, The Cynical Brit Think you would like to see this.
If this stupid version of "fast lane" passes, I have a radical idea. We hit the ISP's where it hurts, their wallets. BOYCOTT the isp's. if even 25% of Americans that have the internet, stop using it, and paying for it and cable, the ISP's will learn their lesson. I know that is expecting a lot, but boycotts have worked in the past, it may take a while but eventually they will learn they cannot exist without their consumers.
That sounds good in theory, but there's no way 25% of people will stop using the internet. Many people aren't even aware of this whole net neutrality issue!
Good plan and I whole heatedly agree, but I don't think enough people would be willing to give up the convenience of home internet unfortunately, to many spoiled people that cant live with out it.
I know but as with the gas boycotts of the seventies we can do it if the prices get to high and our speeds slow down. We lived before the internet and we can give it up for a while
***** When people boycotted gas prices in the 70's there were plenty of trucks, airplanes and buses on the road. When they boycotted the bus in Montgomery, there were still buses that ran. All you have to do when you get home is *NOT* pay your bill for internet and cable and unplug. Keep your cell phone handy and charged and use wifi in public places when you can. And, if you can't participate, support it.
I have to do a persuasive essay for my seventh grade language arts final and we have to include evidence from many sides and both sides of the argument. My persuasive essay is on "Should the FCC allow fast lane internet?" This really gave me some good evidence and gave me a deeper understanding of the topic. Thank you!
Great video. Part of your analogy between the shipping company and ISPs kind of breaks down however when you consider that ISPs are a subscription business. They get paid every month regardless of how much bandwidth you use, so if Netflix is taking up 30% of their line that isn't an opportunity for growth; that's a burden.
Lol its not a win win for comcast cuz if netflix isnt working; imma pirate the sheet out of everything.
haha good idea.. but, that would be more of a stab at netflix wouldn't it? you's still be using the concast internet to download those pirates...
So Netflix pays Comcast to be able to provide a good service, and you pay Comcast to pirate stuff instead of paying Netflix. I still don't see where Comcast loses.
sloan1209 I wouldnt care about them, as long as im the one winning.
Your 'pirate the sheet out of everything' threat sounds great, til they throttle and shape your torrent traffic. If they aren't stopped they will steamroll your connection.
I am still watching the video, but thus far, it isn't a good metaphor. In this instance, the book companies are directly paying the shipping company. The customer isn't paying the shipping company. If that model were applied to the Internet, you would be paying NetFlix and NetFlix would pay Comcast to deliver your show.
If NetFlix was able to hold out longer, Comcast would have eventually had to cave, whether through customer complaints or lost business. Comcast was just more resilient than NetFlix. You are able no change to a different shipping company (ISP), but the consumer has an aversion to independent ISPs that provide quality services. Weird, I know. There was no upside for Comcast in improving service until the point where customers left. There was no additional money for them to make, only money to avoid losing.
There is competition out there, but consumers default to cable, then the telco. They usually don't want an independent. It's not easy to build and run an ISP, but the hardest part is prying customers away from Comcast. Most people do have alternatives available to them, they just don't take them. The alternatives have been dwindling in urban areas because of the lack of customers.
Net Neutrality as initially proposed by Wheeler doesn't allow for the slowing of data, but does allow for dedicated channels on top of your service. You may still get your 25 megabit to wherever anytime you like (pending congestion), but content provider A pays to get an additional dedicated congestion free 10 megabit on top of that. I wouldn't do that as it is just more complexity, but I wouldn't have a problem with others doing it.
ISPs have never been common carriers. There is no content control.
Most net neutrality "experts" have no blanking clue how the Internet works.
Comcast and Time Warner's merger has nothing to do with ISP competition. Cable ISPs largely don't overlap.
There are thousands of independent ISPs. You can go start one right now if you so chose. The hurdles to starting an ISP are less regulatory and more consumer.
Let me know when you provide service in my area and I'll be happy to tell comcast where to shove it :)
I agree with +Chris S. The problem here is that no adequate competition exists and due to extremely high barriers to entry, Comcast and Verizon/Frontier have been able to limit competition.
Again, the problem is barriers to entry. Just like in small towns where no large companies have reached, Comcast often has the fastest speeds. If I could get corporate internet at 50+Mbps with VOIP for $149.99/month guaranteed contracted rates with no ban cap or less per month, I'd switch. Most of us are all for independent firms that enhance service and competition. They usually offer better customer service. That said, no adequate customer service exists.
The suggested merger of Ma Bell and WB could provide some much needed competition to Comcast since right now, AT&T does only large line or huge data traffic. They also can compete with Verizon.
Ultimately, what is needed is more competition and the classification of these ISPs as common carriers or the elimination of their protections under the law such as the DMCA. These companies do not deserve monopolistic protections when they are not providing just and equitable each for the social costs Americans must bear to stay in business. These companies give away their profits to rich fools who waste the capital on luxury, when America needs that capital reinvested in expanding infrastructure and industry, not vapid entertainment.
Your last comment: _There are thousands of independent ISPs. You can go start when right now if you so choose. The hurdles to starting an ISP are less regulatory and more consumer._
This is logical and economic heresy as it presumes just anyone has access to the capital necessary to create a viable competitor to Comcast or Verizon. One thing is to offer cheap and slow internet. If I wasn't such a media hog, I'd switch right now, but consumers demand fast internet. Comcast manipulates the system because there is no adequate service competition. Anything close has offered unscrupulous rates.
What we need is community investments.
It would cost me more than $150/month to provide you with an unrestricted 50 megabit connection. Besides, very very few people need 50 megabit or even 30 megabit.
If the consumers hadn't and didn't continue to ignore the independents, they would have a much larger share of the market.
I started an ISP 10 years ago and I'm still expanding my services. Hopefully by the end of the year I can be bringing 20 and 30 megabit services to my coverage area.
Thank you for fighting as an independent ISP, Mike Hammett. I know that operating a small business is extremely difficult.
I'm rather amused by the argument that it is not a competitive price, because so little competition exists, how are we to know what the true price of the market place is?
As for 50Mbps, I have to laugh by the phrase "need". My dear dear Michael, in economics there are no _needs_, simply _wants_, and the wants have it if they can pay. Comcast wants to offer me faster net access because I will use it and then pay them on the back end through use of their content. I worked for a time at Comcast's sleezy marketing partner who handles door to door upgrades. They keep the prices low to undercut all of the competition in Portland. Luckily, being a bunch of hippies, we have a lot of smaller firms and people with an anti-Comcast Vendetta. As such, the price is low to undercut competition. The price is still higher potentially than what it could be in a highly competitive marketplace with limited barriers to entry and no transaction costs, but aside from some economic theorist pulling numbers out of their ass, how are we to know what prices could be without it actually being realized?
Isn't there a law against monopolies?
In many sectors yes, but not in those that run cable or pipe to your home
Jeremy Crow Thats unfortunate, Thanks by the way.
MrNick00713 No problem, and monopoly isn't bad by necessity, but it does have to be heavily regulated to create social optimal conditions. It'd be a rather long post to explain why this is the case, but the term is "natural monopoly" if you want to read up on the theory.
Jeremy Crow great info. Thank!
Laws are against single monopilies like the old "Ma'Bell" phone companies as one entity = AT&T. or what the railroads had established way back when..
now the monopolies are smaller entities all related to make a whole..
Sure we can break them up but in 10 years they will reform again as something else.
IMO : best video by a RUclipsr regarding net neutrality. Signing petitions now.
Btw I am Australian. Thank you ViHart.