British Leyland NOW - Who Owns The Marques, India, China and Germany?!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this video we cover one of the most debated topics regarding the british car industry and its decline who owns what, who owns Rover makers of the P6, SD1 and 75, who owns Triumph makers of the 2000 Stag and TR series, who owns Standard makers of the Ensign and Vanguard. What happened to MG, how BMWs cunning plan stopped Rover from becoming Chinese and how Nanjing and later SAIC Chinese state owned firms ended up owning the majority of British brands such as Austin, Morris and Riley. As well as what happened to Lanchester.
We chart the brand ownership from boom to bust analysing how they rose and fell.
Just a note; not all was bad with British leyland and the British car industry isn’t dead it is very much alive. Regarding MG Rover and the many other eras I covered as much as I could in the small recap but longer videos will be produced covering these eras.
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BMW own Riley not SIAC
Correct! That one escaped me, I’ll pin this comment so others can see, thanks Simon!
As an American I just can't wrap my head around all of the British-owned mass-market automakers just being allowed by the government to merge with each other until there was just one conglomorate left; consider that around that same era (1960s), there were rumblings that Congress might force General Motors to sell Chevrolet due to GM controlling a hair over half of the U.S. car market.
As a brit, I still can't get my head around the UK government allowing the wholey owned last British mass producer of cars to fail with 10,000 jo lost and more indirectly!
BMW wanted to make a Riley at one time I remember reading about it. Ford were stunned by the lack of investment when they bought Jaguar every machine was worn out I read also.
I agree, Triumph is the saddest loss
Triumph was revived in the 90's and is still alive and kicking on 2 wheels and 3 ciliinders and those motorbikes are made in the UK.
@@obelic71 Which is great, but not quite the same
@@obelic71Actually those motorcycles are british owned, but produced in Thailand. They’re developed in England but in efford to save money, the production are moved abroard.
@@kins749 correct butt we didn't loose Triumph as a brand as stated at the top comment
@@obelic71 Triumph Motorcycles was never part of British Leyland, so is irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion... 😉
One chap on here says that every British car was low quality. Absolute rubbish. Rolls Royce produced the best cars in the world before WW2 and many had great quality, Riley and Alvis, Triumph, Humber, Rover. Rover remained quality until the early 70's. It was the 70's that brought disaster due to Britain's decline. Funny that Stellantis are now absolute rubbish for the same reason and VW Group are bankrupt with £190 billion of debt, that's 190 times what BLMC achieved. In fact VW is the most indebted company in the whole WORLD. Another great video Tom.
I worked as a mechanic from the late 60's in a multi dealership. While most of the British cars (the only ones available for the most part unless the buyers had real money) were decent cars, when the Japanese arrived they blew them out of the water when it came to comfort and extras, We usually spent a day fitting Escorts with radial tyres, radios and the like all of which came as standard on the Japanese models. Unfortunately early imports suffered from rust but they quickly overcame this problem.
What you have to remember is how many hours a rolls Royce takes to make vs a high production volume car like a fiesta or a fiat 500. A rolls Royce is like a Michelangelo sistene chapel ceiling painting, the fiesta is like a nursery school finger painting lol
That's not a mass produced car. Furthermore THAT'S 100 YEARS AGO. During their lifetime, they are correct, all British cars are dreadful, that's why they don't exist now.
If British cars were so good, they’d still be around today and built in and owned by the Brits. The only brand still owned by the Brit’s is Morgan and Mcclaren.
@@Wargasm54McLaren is owned by Bahrainis.
Very well done video on these late, great British icons. As a 14 year old Yank who had spent 3 years in Essex, UK, my first car in Texas was a hand-me-down car from my USAF Dad... a 1959 English Frod Consul Mk II. I loved that little sedan with its want-to-be 1955 T'bird frontend.
Austin and rover are two of the saddest situations but the merging of British companies by government was what destroyed it all. The managed decline that every British government has engaged in since WW2 is the problem from shipbuilding to the motor industry to aircraft and everything else they took into state ownership is now gone. The common denominator? The British Government.
Government didn't carry out the mergers - they didn't own any of the assets. The problem was mostly that senior management was very poor - no strategic vision, little understanding of how to develop talent, and a lazy, adversarial approach to labour relations. The result was the toxic mediocrity we saw from the 50s to the 80s. Read the biographies of a few of the key figures, and you realise how bad the situation was. In particular, look up Leonard Lord, who ran Austin and formed BMC in 1952, and Donald Stokes, who became chairman of BLMC in 68: both completely out of their depth.
Great Video as always!
British motor industry butchered and sold up the river.
Absolute disgrace only in Britain !
We are the only major country without a wholly owned volume car producer except for Canada.
Disgrace!!
And Australia.
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As someone who grew up in the West Midlands in the 80s and 90s, I watched the sad demise of Rover's Longbridge factory and the associated manufacturers unfold on our local news. It's extremely sad that all those jobs were lost - and they were never replaced by other highly-skilled jobs due to the UK's lack of industrial strategy, so the workers ended up on the scrapheap like the miners.
I’d worked for a defense contractor years ago. I’d seen Alvis listed on a BAE Systems proposal and recognized the logo and name.
I did some looking and sure enough Alvis was that company.
Glad you found that bit out! Real research you’ve done!🎉
What a reflection on this once-proud country. We used to be the workshop of the world, innovators in so many areas. Now our car industry is foreign owned. Gone forever...
SS Cars was never owned by BSA. SS Cars was carved out of Swallow Coachbuiling by Williams Lyons and became Jaguar in 1945 for reasons... It would go on to purchase the Daimler business, which included the Lanchester marque, from BSA in 1960.
And Ford buying Jaguar was unconnected with the break up of Rover group. Jaguar Cars had been independent since the early 80s.
Quite so and as for BSA Birmingham Small Arms,ownership Of Daimler,look at the mess that the Dockers made of that !
Google Nora Docker (Lady) to find out more.
I need to cover them in more detail, more of a potted history this video. You are right.
I thought SS cars was Swallow Sidecars not swallow coachbuilding who then introduced the name Jaguar and eventually drpped the SS
Jaguar could not be described as thriving right now. But you did a great job on this video.
My father owned a Rover 3500 SE in the 80's and 90's. Low centre of gravity, rear wheel drive, V8 power. It was superb to drive. Never let us down, but quality was low. I'd have another one tomorrow.
Tom, Absolutley wonderful work on all of your stuff. Hope that passion, focus and talent find their desitiny in what ever subject matter works for you.
A sad tale but not untypical of other UK industries, I worked in UK aerospace for 47 years from the early 1970s starting at Rolls Royce, progressing through Dowty and Smiths Aerospace. The only one still UK owned is RR and this is ty[ical across this sector Westland are now Italian and BAeS have pulled out of the civil sector with Airbus now soley owned by the French. Having been born in Coventry your video really hit home, as a child you could not go more than a couple of miles in that city without coming across a car manufacturer, you would struggle to find one now. Failed by successive governments and management to protect these indutries from going abroad will Im sure impact jobs in the future, By the way Dowty and Smiths are now French and US owned respectively.
btw Airbus is NOT French. It is a public corporation registered in Amsterdam and has much reduced German French and Spanish government shareholding these days.
I like that think that 2 huge car brands are spiritual successors of British car brands ,
Acura the Honda prestige brand started off life sharing the the rover 800 series which was badged as the Acura / Honda legend depending on the country it was marketed towards (Acura was North American ). Today the Acura TLX is the 2024 version of that car and it would be a dream to see that as a Rover Sterling today
Second is Hyundai , based on the fact that when the car business of the Hyundai business conglomerate was founded, Austin Morris MD George Turnbull went to South Korea to become VP of Hyundai and he took quite a few designers, management figures and other BL staff with him . Right from the beginning Hyundai got things right and well made for a budget brand , if only the British workers had the same level of dedication and passion. In a parallel world the cars that Hyundai made could have easily fit into the BL Morris and Austin portfolio, I mean I’m willing to be a 1975 Pony was better made than a 1975 allegro and a Morris marina also
The Acura one is total nonsense. Rover was in a desperate state and the Rover 200 was also a Honda Concerto, far more relevant than the Acura
@@BigLeek-ig3sbwhat are you on about ?? Rover needed to replace the SD1 and don’t forget that it was their entry back into North America even though Sterling absolutely flopped , the 800 lasted 12 years in production and had Rover built the 800/sterling as well as Honda built the Acura Legend then rover might have lasted well past 1991 in North America, also Acura has a strong market share in the US nearly 40 years later
@@michaelpyatt831 what are you on about?
@@michaelpyatt831 This absolutely makes sense to me. Had the Rover/Honda alliance continued today, it might very well been an Acura TLX with a Rover badge on it.
I grew up around more than one Humber. It would be good to see a video on Humbers
I’ve done a video on Rootes but ill be doing one in future about Humber
@@tomdrives I'd like to see an in depth review of the Humber 3 liter six . Was it a short stroke design ? How many main bearings ? Did it have a racing pedigree ? Very little information available on it.
When I was a boy, my father bought a Wolseley 6 - a land crab with the 2200 O series. Loads of space, quiet and comfortable, it did lack street cred!
As sad as its pathetic that we allowed our motor industry to go down the pan like it did 🙁
My dad owned a Standard 2000 and a Triumph Herald then a Riley Kestrel and finally a Morris Ital. I have owned an Austin 1300 Estate, a Metro, Maestro and Montego, then a Rover 400. At that time I was working for the Rover Group and starting to get company cars until Ford bought Jaguar and Land Rover until I retired.
a brummie born and bred I am proud now to be driving a MG4 ...
We can lament about it forever in a day, but look at the utter rubbish they were turning out post BMC . It was shocking.. And as rep travelling the motorways of the 70s I can confirm I was delighted when my firm purchased 18 Datsuns . They got us to and from the job without any problems unlike the Marinas and land crabs they replaced
Thanks Tom - another erudite and well researched presentation 👍
Let’s remember: the British automotive industry is remarkably resilient - still a major producer of cars
And, the British talent which has been a major influence on the international world on wheels; for example, George Turnbull - who orchestrated the initial success of Hyundai
Then, the incredible longevity and appeal of British brands - greater than the brands of any other nation
To be fair the Triumph brand was revived as a motorcycle brand in the 90's and is still alive and kicking as a UK motorcycle manufacturer
If BMW would build a more down to earth Fiesta/Corsa type car based on the mini platform i can garantee it will be market as a Triumph.
They do, it’s called ….. the mini
@@michaelpyatt831 1 mini has the price of 2 fiesta's/corsa's .
A Modern Mini is more an upmarket lifestyle vehicle then a down to earth people mover.
Triumph is more a UK-owned motorcycle brand with most of the production in Thailand and to a certain degree in India..
Fiesta doesn’t exist anymore, people were buying Pumas instead anyway. And a base Puma is the same price of a base Mini, roughly. The only way manufacturers survive is by producing the cars people want. Look at Rover in the 90s making cars that people wanted, but complete lack of investment made replacements impossible.
@@johnteahan2333 those A & B segment cars are more withdrawn due to EU regulations then to lack of demand.
f.e. the Suzuki Ignis wasn't allowed to be sold in Europe after August the 1st due to lack on EU pedestrian crasch safety.
The mini who was also build overhere in the Netherlands till July this year was placed as an upmarket lifestyle car in the €35.000-€45.000 pricerange.
Current Puma's and Corsa's are now in the €22.000-€30.000 pricerange.
I still find it heartbreaking what was allowed to happen to British Leyland. Had they used all those brands correctly they could have done what VW Group are doing now with all their marques. I'm not bothered about exports, but they could have made the UK self-sufficient in cars, and larger vehicles too, with barely a foreign car to be seen on our roads. Unfortunately, the workers listened to the unions, and their communist agenda, which is still ripping our economy apart at the seams. There were errors by management, and especially by government, in the sixties and seventies, but it was the appalling build quality, due to union-dominated workforce attitudes, which ruined the reputation of the cars and prevented the sales reaching levels they should have attained.
Leonard Lord! I curse that man for conning William Morris into merging his companies with Austin.
Excellent video, really informative and well researched and produced. You have a new sub!
Thanks Mark! Appreciate it
Great video Tom. I think someone has already corrected you on Riley, but other than that, interesting and yet also sad. Always a shame to think what's happened to our car companies.
SAIC also own London Taxis International and LDV vans. May have also been worth mentioning as both brands are inextricably linked to the British car industry.
Percy Riley Motors still produce marine gearboxes under the newage brand in Coventry, thus the Riley name is still well known to narrowboat engineers, like me! Another cracking video sir, between you and Mr Big Car, your informative videos keep me sane!
Workers slept during night shift at Longbridge and then had a day job. Lazy workers and weak management killed the brand.
That was Solihull. I’ve never seen a report of that at Longbridge.
My next door neighbours both worked at Longbridge . The son used to clock in and come home for the morning only going back 1 hour before having to clock out . He was eventually caught and sacked but he got away with it for a good few years.
@@tomdrivesA friend of mine whose dad worked at Longbridge referred to the place affectionately as "The Lazy A", like an American ranch 😢
Great video ,cheers Tom 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
One of the reasons for the loss of the British car industry is in the comments, all those people saying British cars were crap ( they were no worse than other manufacturers of the time, who also built rusty unreliable cars) if the build quality was so bad why did Japanese companies build cars here?
Exactly. The UK has the WORST people for slagging off their own cars, whilst bigging up foreign shite (KIA). No other country in the world does that. Then Brits wonder why we keep losing more and more manufacturing jobs.
I own a Jaguar and a Mercedes and the Jaguar is BETTER than the Mercedes!!
Remember Datsun,they were so bad they had to change their name. I wish i still had my 2000tc,it was years ahead of the rest in design and technology. Edwards made a mess of BL,there is no bad workforce,just bad management
Really informative video. I did think BMW still owned Riley and Wolseley - is this correct?
There’s a great film hiding here but quite how you maintain sufficient suspense for over an hour
Excellent video as always Tom.
Thanks Stuart, appreciate it.
How about the other British cars ? I'd like to see a video on Lotus and Aston Martin.
Seconded - how about Hillman, Humber, Sunbeam ?
Another good video Tom. Well done with the correct pronunciation of Wolseley. I used to pronounce it Woollsley until I was corrected. It’s obviously important to some. 😄
Interesting stuff - any chance you could do a study of Jowett Cars of Bradford?
Morgan Motor Company, Aston Martin and Prodive are also free from over seas ownership.
I go to Prodrive sometimes, as we look after their revolving doors, often have a chat and a little look around when I'm there, quite surprising how many other brands they are involved with, yet many people only associate them with Subaru.
its a shame Alvis didn't become part of JLR, such beautifully built upmarket cars. unfortunately the British car industry went the way of the Empire
Whilst I do agree overall with the summary of the video, there's a few things to add.
Whenever the 80s is referenced it usually starts and ends with a sneer towards the then government led by Margaret Thatcher. However none of these car brands started off as a state entity, they were private enterprises usually started by families that designed and built something that the public wanted. The notion that government should step in and takeover is to me the downfall of the companies because it says they can't responsibly manage and stand on their two feet. Hiding losses under bailouts doesn't resolve the issues of over manning and poor design, innovation should be supported notably before being privatised British steel received in 1980 a £1b injection to restructure and turn around it's losses to make a profit by the end of the decade.
The sad thing about MGRover is that between 2000 and 2005 from what I read did manage to reduce the deficit they inherited by 80%, however funding ran dry for the latest models including a new MG supercar that featured a powerful ford engine and a Rover 75 coupé and estate car (including the then fastest estate car prototype MG ZTT that could exceed 200mph). The then UK government could've granted the loan needed within EU rules (as France does for its car sector) but did practically nothing of which led to the Chinese to come in and essentially took advantage of the situation by buying the rights to produce the 25 and 75, then pull out of the deal.
I try to buy British made even if it's not British owned and I've been happy with my 2017 vauxhall astra estate to this date with no real mechanical issues. It's a shame that even the vauxhall astra now no longer is made in the UK.
Nice one Tom
Thanks Chris
@8.23, In 1971 there would be an Austin Sprite (less the Healey name)
Correct yes!
BL's biggest problem was not dropping some brands to better take on International brands
What about Aston Martin, Bentley, Lotus, Rolls Royce, and TVR? If they weren't part of British Leyland then where were they then and how did they get to where they are now? Maybe you could do a video on those brands.
Rolls-Royce and Bentley were nationalised but not included in British Leyland. The car division was separated from the rest of the Rolls-Royce group and transferred to the state owned Vickers shipbuilding company
Personally under BAE The Rover Group was in better shape than it had ever been, even whilst under the new Phoenix four owner MG/Rover, who wasted millons in just 5 years before going bust on fancy racing and hospitality crap. Whilst under BAE and with its partner Honda Rover may have survived .?
Can you do one of these videos on the The Rootes Group as well please?
Wow another great video,I was dying to know who owns Rover,will it make another come back like the Datsun?
Thanks again for another wonderful video my great uncle’s farm at Bathgate was purchased for the truck and bus and tractors factory greetings from Scotland 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks Ian! I’ll be looking to do a factory history series soon I think
@@tomdrives his name was Richard Russel. He was mostly called Dick
@@tomdrives I forgot to mention the farm was called mosside farm
All complex regarding the downfall of these brands. Government, management,unions, awful quality, poor designs. The list goes on. But a reflection of British manufacturing over the period. Sad
You didn't mention Morris Commercial, Got for nothing I believe cos no one wanted the name. Going now I believe as a British maker of replica Morris Commercial vans (now electric, of course) and currently featuring in a TV ad.
Like your videos,
Eric.
Morris Commercial I don’t have enough information about sadly and thank you Eric
@@tomdrivesHi, Morris Commercial: I'm confused. Dont have enough information? Registered company, You Tube videos, Website, TV ad appearances, Mock ups, Prototypes, Premises, Taking deposits. What more do you need?
Eric
Enjoyed it, very interesting
Thanks Paul
Good video. SS Cars became Jaguar in 1945 - but continued to be very much William Lyons own toy until the JRT formation in the late 60s - it picked up Daimler and so Lanchester in name only when BSA collapsed in the late 50s. Triumph Motors formed out of Triumph Cycle tho had made cars from the early 1920s.
Just thinking about all the brands and what BMW might still own - since their "new" MINI line looks like it could do with fellow below-BMW priced cars that don't look like another mini mutant
Tho Alvis continued with the Scorpion line of military tanks for a few more decades.
And Triumph - the bikes separate from the car div since the 1930s at Meriden stopped a couple of years before te final Acclaim . But the name was bought by John Bloor almost on a whim - he was at the auction to buy Meriden for house building. And Triumphs gone on to probably more success than in its previous heydays. So brand ownership pending, Triumph cars would be a good brand to bring back by said BMW to keep COwley working
Very informative. How to throw a car industry away.
Hi Tom , what a great interesting video, great shame how’s it’s all gone , last of the Riley was the kestrel as you said but I believe the kestrel name was dropped and was known as Riley 1300 before quietly went in 1969. During the BL years the Austin morris etc became as Leyland cars , and I had a Austin maxi years ago but badged as leyland , it had the BL roundel on the tall gate instead of Austin , in 1987 the Austin name was removed on metro maestro and montego but for export I saw a montego estate badged as Rover montego years ago and as you know the Princess had the Austin removed earlier. Regards mak
Love your videos mate.
Thanks! Glad you do.
Very good thank you
Can you do a similar presentation on Roots group including there commercials
Wolseley started in 1896 by Herbert Austin
Best thing is to leave the old brands alone. Look wat happened to Mini (as big as a Ford Transit now), MG and what do you think of Ford’s e-Mustang and Capri 😏
I don't think any of the brands could start again.
It has to be something new, it is taking Ineos quite a bit to get the Grenadier launched.
This is British owned, Austrian designed and French manufactured.
This car has been to the Aussie outback they questioned some components design choices that you can away with in Europe but not in the Outback. Finally there is the protrusion into the footwell from the engine bay. This means you have nowhere to the rest the left foot.
I woudn't be suprised if Jaguar will be gone next.
Great video I like it. Do you have a video about BMC? A Turkish friend of mine told me that BMC used to be British but is now a Turkish brand. Is that true?
Not that I know of but ill be making one eventually
BMC set up a Turkish truck making subsidiary which BL later sold and still exists
@@pedanticradiator1491 Partly correct. BMC Otomotiv was formed in 1964 as a collaboration between its founder Ergun Ozacat and BMC. Both Austin and Morris vehicles were assembled under licence while later Volvo became involved, in 1983. BMC Otomotiv now independently researches, designs and builds its own vehicles.
For a short period BMC Otomotiv even exported Buses and Lorries into Britain. Indeed a tie up with ERF saw ERF using a BMC Otomotiv cabs being used on one of its models!
Interestingly Ford UK stopped production of lorries Europe after they firstly joined up with IVECO and then later sold their share entirely to IVECO.
However Ford Lorries, as well as cars and vans, continued to be made in Turkey by another collaboration between Ford and Koc Holdings.
Turkish designed Ford Lorries can be seen in Britain engaged in International work.
Leyland. Standard, Royal Enfield, BSA and Vincent still exist today under Indian ownership.
Triumph motorcycles are British owned.
Daimler-Benz is a big German bus and truck manufacturer.
Rolls Royce cars is owned by BMW and VW owns Bentley.
Rolls Royce PLC aircraft engines are still British though.
Triumph motorcycles was never part of British Leyland the car and bike companies split long before Leyland bought Triumph.
The British Daimler company never had ownership connection with the German company. Since 1906 all German Daimler cars have been called Mercedes. Daimler-Benz was formed in the 1920s and was for a while called Daimler-Chrysler. The Daimler or Mercedes car and commercial vehicle companies are now seperate.
Despite being also nationalised Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars were never part of BL. The government did seperate the car and aircraft companies in the 1970s though with the car division being owned by the shipbuilding firm Vickers for a few years
Got through a few v8s the ashtray wish in right place on door lol lal💜🙏💜🧙♂️
Mental night trying to keep up with seara cosworth from sailsbury to Swindon my mate having fun would have had it if it didn't go on motorway lol lol 💜🙏💜🧙♂️
Hi dude……. All the marquees you mentioned were all available in New Zealand….. Even the Lancaster….. a mate of mine in the 1970’s drove a Lancaster with a semi automatic gear box on the column…
My father exported from the UK to New Zealand in 1963 a Vanguard standard with the tractor engine…..
Interestingly enough you missed out Aston Martin in the video….
But that was never part of Leyland or BMC…..
Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿👍🍸🍸
This family tree is more complex than mine 😂
😂 good comment
British Leyland missed so many opportunities, the biggest was not replacing the mini back in the late 69s / early 70.s with a Vw golf competition 😊
Well Innocenti did just that in Italy. Their version of the mini was superior to the English ones for years.
BL went wrong by not fitting tailgates to the Marina Coupe model from the beginning. It’s not like they didn’t like tailgates as the Maxi had one years earlier before the Marins hit the showrooms.
Then of course the Metro designed to replace the Mini ended production before the Mini did. BL bring BL decided the Innocenti hatchback mini built in the 1970’s wasn’t good enough for the UK then produced the inferior Metro!
The Metro or miniMetro as it was first called was originally planned to replace the Mini but for some reason that idea was abandoned
I own an MG, a REAL one (1972 MGB GT, show cond). I'm surprised MG was able to build it properly with all this absolute BS going on over there 😮. Anyways, I'm forever grateful; it's the strongest best built car I've had, daily driver 🇬🇧
There are other brands I'd like to see return, such as Sunbeam, Hillman, Talbot and Jowett
They were bought by the Rootes Group whivh became Chrysler Europe whibh was bought by Pegeout who kept the Talbot marque going for a while. Ironically Chrysler and Pegeout plus Citroën, Fiat and several others are now part of the Belgian based group Stellantis
Great, thank you
That was an absolutely superb & well researched video on a fascinating (to me anyway) subject. That was until you prefixed the names Land Rover and Range Rover with the word 'brilliant'.
Their reliability records show that's a long way from the truth and they're simply a tool used by people with more money than sense to show off how well they're doing.
In this asset driven world of plastic people who are more interested in connectivity and numbers of cup holders than driving around in a vehicle without wallet emptying capabilities ,they fit in really well. More fool them!!
People who pay nearly 40 grand for a Kia Sportage are the people with more money than sense, as well as being gullible and clueless about cars and not giving a shit about their own country. Total morons.
The grim reaper is currently smiling at Jaguar
Cool video report on your own personal style ❤Thanks for sharing ❤
So what? British banks and funds own lots of german companies as well.
Thats capitalism for you, all the companies end up being owned by a bank in another country.
Hello Tom Triumph Motorcycles you can still buy one of these
Built in India, Thailand or Brazil
@@JSmith19858 The factory is in Hinckley. Leicestershire. I live not far from it.
Triumph Cars and Motorcycles split up in to seperate companies long before the car company was took over first by Standard and then Leyland Motors a few years before the creation of British Leyland
@@pedanticradiator1491 I didn't think they were ever one company, they were just founded by the same person who used the name Triumph. They were founded and operated separately
I'd love to see the Triumph/Standard badge back on a car, Up until the 70's when the awful TR7 was produced Triumph and Standard made some great cars, In some cases much better produced cars than Ford but look at the classic Ford's today, They are so sought after like Cortina's & Escort's and fetch thousands and more, Triumph were unjustly imo a distant second compared to Ford. I'd also like a proper Jaguar built, The ones today are just as bland as so many today, Their cars up until the late 90's were JAG's.
Far too many independent companies that were under capitalized for the market they served.
So sad to see the MG name on crap SAIC vehicles. I can't understand why anyone would ever buy one of them.
I spotted your deliberate mistake - it's a Morris 18/22 @08:29 - I know because of the shape of the grill.
Don't forget the independent "Morris Commercial", making retro style electric vans.
More cars are made in the UK than ever. Foreign directors and managers do better. British public schools and universities are creating non-thinkers.
shocking mate
It's kind of weird to make a video about the decline of the British motor industry and not even mention the workforce and trade unions as a big factor. Shody workmanship and near-constant industrial action contributed greatly to this. Maybe the workers knew how to build great cars, but they obviously rarely felt like it.
This video is not about that, it’s about the timeline of brand ownership. For those topics, check out the rest of the channel.
@@tomdrives Fair enough, but you did point out other reasons why things did fall apart, among them mismanagement. That would have been a prime oppurtunity to mention a workforce that was either on strike outright or could not be arsed to built anything of acceptable quality, because that was certainly as much of a factor as mismanagement was.
@@MartinIbert too complicated to add in there as a simple quip
It's a shame about ownership of some of those names. I would easily give £25 just own Wolseley 😁. Edit; I would buy Lanchester though 😜
It's owned by Leyland Yutani.
I think, in my honest opinion Tom, that the biggest downfall of the British Motor Industry was the obstruction of the industry, by the Governments and Unions to allow natural shedding.
Obsolete factories being marched along like walking wounded by Companies who were being told to continue production of cars that, while becoming more technologically advanced into the late 70's and early 80's, were basically being built with post war equipment. Also with the Unions holding the companies by the bo**ocks there was never going to be much needed genuine investment from any Government into the industry.
A Tory Govenrment wouldn't provide the funds because of Union actions and the Liebour Government couldn't give any monies due to their affiliations to the Unions, as if they gave to one they would have to give to other industries. Let's face it, it wouldn't do for Harold Wilson to be getting chauferred around in a Rover P5B, being overtaken by a shop steward in the latest P6 🤣🤣🤣
Initially that was done because management and government feared industrial unrest as a result of factory closures. The reason Austin and Morris carried on selling badge-engineered versions of the same cars was essentially to keep dealership networks open. Failure to rationalise borne out of fear of the unions.
Brilliant video and thank you for putting it together. Who owns the Triumph brand though
It would be nice to see a return of Triumph with a ultra low emmissions engine or even an electric power train (cant believe I used the latter lol)
Thanks! And BMW own Triumph
@@tomdrives Thanks bud
No word about the history from Alvis and Standard. Standard bought Triumph in 1945. They switched the name because the meaning of the name Standard lost it's heritage. A Standard in the Twenties means look at us. In the Sixties it was more we do the minimum what might be possible.
It’s not a history video on the brands it’s more about their ownership
Main cause. Post war class system , uni grads coming out who only went because daddy had been above a certain rank . Then rise in loony left unions. . i know i was a loony left workers revolutionary party. .. defo a class demise problem
great video but the hoodie is giving me a headache
The bus seat hoodie! Blasphemy
Rover should come back . As tata's electric cars in the uk. But also a plug in hybrid. And suitable trimed and equipped for British tastes.
Rootes Group?
I wouldn’t mind doing one on Rootes
MG made in china might be a good car but it is not a MG as far as I'm concerned
I think the next big car companies to fold will be Vauxhall, Stellantis will see no point in badge engineered for one country !!! I feel opel will be heading back to UK shores
Chrysler is another and their only current model is a minivan , it’s like Chrysler has this zombie car brand air about it, it stopped production of the 30 year in terms of technology 300 and it’s been over 10 years since they even had 3 models to offer, unless Stellantis can offer the Chrysler brand with a full EV line up , it’s pretty much dead, the better option would be to just bring the pacifica back under the Dodge brand as the grand caravan .
Mitsubishi I think also has it’s days numbered, it’s sad to see such a decline but at least here in the USA they only offer the mirage which is now under the guise of a horrible asthmatic run about, the eclipse cross which is a nothing special SUV and the outlander which is outclassed by other cars in its sector . It’s time they put this brand out of its misery
Lancia , another brand that limps on with one model in this car the Ypsilon, a dreadful city car, given the heritage of this brand it’s a scandal it’s been left to stumble on, there is no place for it given how many brands Fiat / Stellantis has going.
Buick now just sell rebadged Chevrolet cars and it’s obvious that they don’t sell, the Chevrolet name is just better in todays car world and the only place that loves Buick is china so it makes only sense GM sells that brand to someone like SAIC or GEELEY , another legendary brand again just limping on
I love how Vauxhall's ads call themselves a British brand when for most of its history it's been in foreign ownership
Very sad end to British brands.
wtf is happening to this country? Every year (specially since the 80's) worst than the previous, so sad...
Were without exception all cars with terrible build quality and woefully outdated when they found their demise
Vanden Plas , pronounced Vanden Plah.
Not what the museum says
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