The briefing at the start is always so well done Cap, but you got me real good this time. Sat here watching and I'm looking around the Gulf of Tonkin. My eyes slowly wander over to the small island off shore and I'm like "Port Stanley? But thats... Wait, is that the Falklands "Port Stanley". Is there another Port Stanley off the coast of Vietnam, it can't be the Falklands." Took me a good 90 secs for it to "click". This heat today has melted my brain. lmfao 😂🤣🙃 Well done sir.
Robbie Risner was a legend at this point he was already an Ace from the Korean War. He was featured in History channels Dogfights. This bridge and how sturdy it was, was the direct catalyst into the US creating Laser Guided Munitions. Precision munitions. There were obviously various additional factors, but this mission was a main reason
The Thach Weave was developed by John S Thach along with Edward "Butch" O'Hare. It came about because of the "under performance" of the F4F Wildcats when going up against the, at the time much better, A6M Zero. The Fat Electrician has a great video talking about Butch O'Hare and how he shot down 5 enemy planes in 4 minutes.
When I was maintaining KC-135s, we would have to slather up the boom probe with tons of grease before refueling F-4s. F-4 pilots were notorious for breaking off the probe. My father was stationed at Bien Hoa AB in the late 60's, as a KC-135 crew chief. I have old photos he took from the boom pod, refueling these same aircraft in this reenactment.
I remember setting up missions on my 486 with Jane's US Navy Fighters 97. That opening scene gave me flashbacks (although the graphics weren't as good then obviously)
When the USN decided the F-111 wasn't for them we here in Oz were happy to give them a home. They remained a mainstay in the RAAF for the next 40 years and are much beloved for their participation in dump and burns as part of large public displays, such as the Riverfire festival in Brisbane. The fact that they could operate in all weather conditions and haul a gravity bomb to Jakarta unescorted was a handy feature.
The Thud was a divisive light bomber. For some missions it was from somewhat effective to very effective. For some not so much. It certainly was extremely fast, but especially the early models could have been more reliable. Still to me a fine piece of military aviation history.
While filling any pressure bearing vessel an event known as adiabatic heating can occur and create internal combustion through compression just like a piston driven diesel motor. BOOM.
When we went to the Hill airbase museum I got see all of the Century Series fighters. I had already seen static displays of the F-100, -101, -102, and -104. The ones I was most excited to see was the "Thud" and the F-106. A bridge attack "though the ages" mission would be cool.
David B. Waldrop (3x SS, 3x DFC, etc... 1 MiG-17 confirmed plus 1 probable) ... the gunsight camera footage of a MiG-17 getting smoked (the ubiquitous Vietnam-era gun kill footage) is his. I met him in the early-90s when he was a captain at Delta Airlines and had a side-gig as an IP for Sky Warriors (laser tag in T-34s). One of the most down-to-earth and self-effacing men I have ever met. He was the only IP on their board that didn't have a callsign... best I can tell, his callsign was "sir."
This is what I am talking about, something about Vietnam era aviation is just so special to witness the difficulties and challenges involved. I would love to see a large wargame filled with AI North Vietnamese SAM, AA batteries and Mig23/17's on intercept with Blue AI AG flights, with you guys operating A4's or F4's fighting in the contested airspace either CAP, SEAD/DEAD, CAS, Strike etc. It would be extremely difficult to set up and get the required numbers so I do not expect it anytime soon but a simulation where one can imagine how difficult the actual combat missions were back then. Alternatively, would be fascinating to see if you could replicate a Vietnam air assault (UH-1) multiple chalk flights delivering troops to combat and the dangers and challenges those missions inherently had. Or a what-if scenario late Vietnam war, operating F14 tomcats in place of major strikes/cap taken place by other aircraft using weapons of the era on the F14 platform to see the difference if any versus the real events. Another what-if albeit less realistic, what if the AH64D was operational with it's full modern or not, load out during Vietnam war, replacing dangerous missions performed by the huey gunship and AH-1's what impact could an advanced helicopter have over the conflict. Vietnam war presents itself as such a fascinating conflict to test ones skill, and bring to light the dangers that were present that we often do not know or have forgotten about. By doing these missions you are keeping the conflict and the sacrifices made by all parties involved in the forefront of our minds, so that their sacrifices will never be forgotten, especially to younger generations who may not know the details of the conflict. Yes, it is entertainment, but by replicating real-world missions you provide a starting curiosity into an event, in which one could further read about and better understand the real events and thus you keep the memories and history alive. Cap, Simba, Dark, Pooch and all GR members you guys are legendary for the entertainment you provide, as an aerosexual who loves all things aviation I have honestly learned a lot from watching your videos new and old, from real world Pakistan and India operations I wasn't cognisant of and later read about. To intricate details regarding weapons and aircraft performance and envelopes albeit with pinch of salt between DCS and reality or my favourite being watching the strategies you guys choose in PVP to turn disadvantages into advantages. I appreciate everything you do.
Losing nuclear-capable, Mach 2 jets in a low-level, subsonic, conventional bombing mission is like wondering why you have a smashed hand and a broken pipe wrench after trying to use it to hammer a railroad spike. The Air Force designed some great tools for a particular job and then proceeded to use them for something else entirely.
It really is a form of very stressful yet oddly calming meditation. I found the Phantom stable and easy to refuel. For guns better to get in CAA mode for radar guided reticle lead.
The F105 were designed to carry their tactical nuke internally. I don’t believe hanging all those iron bombs off the wings was ever envisioned in the initial design.
The F105 wasn’t really meant for this kind of mission. It was assumed any war would be nuclear, and the F105 was really meant to deliver a nuke. For THAT mission, the F105 was perfect. What this mission and Vietnam in general did was make the AF and Navy realize there would be wars that weren’t nuclear and required conventional capabilities.
Although this campaign was ultimately unsuccessful and we lost damn near a thousand aircraft, Cap was right when he said that this woke up the US military and government to the fact we sucked ass. The Air Force was only trained to intercept Soviet bombers in route to drop nucs on the American mainland. We changed ALL THAT in a few years
@@grimreapers Take control of the radar with the uncage button. Press the nosewheel steering button when the target is in the reticle to lock it. Just select sidewinders before you try to lock it. Selecting 'HEAT' has the radar look straight at the reticule, while 'RADAR' and 'GUN' have it scan to right and above the reticule respectively IIRC. The main issue I have is forgetting to set it back to 'HEAT' after I lose lock, followed by a lot of cursing as the radar doesn't lock the target.
Much though I like Caps flying fortress quote, the point really isn't that Phantoms carried alot of bombs (relatively) but that the flying fortress carried comparatively few! Vietnam led directly to the A7 and A10.
Thanks I enjoy the Vietnam era aircraft , the technology was at a cusp between useless & good😮 and aircraft often pressed into roles they weren’t really designed for....is there an f105 or f100 or crusader models in DCS? If so would love to see missions with those from the cockpit please?
hi Cap can you please take a look at a single C-17 using the "revolver supersonic missile system" 12 Boeing x51 attack against something , as you have tested Rapid Dragon in before thanks.
You know Cap, after what you said about the Super Sabres carrying more bombs than the venerable B-17's, how's about replacing the B-17's in some of those large bombing missions with the Super Sabres. After all, they are AI so, watching them attempt one of your many WW2 missions would be rather squidgy, yes, I said squidgy. So, same amount of aircraft, more bombs. More accurate? A scientific mission appears to be on the cards.
CAP. Refuel the F4 over the canopy bow. Much easier. Use the tanker belly and marks on it to stay in range. Panel colors change, panel lines, etc. Much easier.
What, no A-4, dislike! ;D JK. Still trying to get brakes sorted and trim (keeps going in the direction i press) on the A-4 a month after i re-download it, gave up 3 months ago...
Cap "Each one of those Thunderchiefs carried more bombs than a B-17 in World War II" Well, yes, but the bomb bay capacity was not the B-17's main selling point. Several of the B-17's contemporaries could carry larger bomb loads, significantly so in some cases. And when the B-29 entered service, it made all the other bombers obsolescent overnight, despite its teething troubles.
ok heres a tip. when you watch the video. stand on the right side of the sofa. old a glass of jack daniels wisky with one and a half cubes of ice in your left hand. tilt your head 27.4 degrees to your right and pick your left leg up. I'm telling you it will look exactly the same as real life vietnam.
Hi cap, my name is lucky and I am a Nigerian (don't laugh). I love dcs world but I cannot afford to get a PC for it, I dream about dcs when I sleep I need help please
Dark, I really believe if you put forth just a little less effort, you could increase the volume of your vocal fry. It’s so pleasant to hear a man talk that sounds like he’s sitting on the crapper trying to pass a green pinecone backwards. Very, very annoying.
Thanks Simba! You are you great guys got me through my esophageal cancer, surgery in recovery last year. I spent a lot of time with my what I referred to as Grim Reaper brothers. Thanks so much for the great entertainment and content!
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Thank you Cap, I appreciate you taking this request. It's going to be good.
The briefing at the start is always so well done Cap, but you got me real good this time. Sat here watching and I'm looking around the Gulf of Tonkin. My eyes slowly wander over to the small island off shore and I'm like "Port Stanley? But thats... Wait, is that the Falklands "Port Stanley". Is there another Port Stanley off the coast of Vietnam, it can't be the Falklands." Took me a good 90 secs for it to "click". This heat today has melted my brain. lmfao 😂🤣🙃 Well done sir.
lol yes, you have to use your imagination a bit for these battles.
Robbie Risner was a legend at this point he was already an Ace from the Korean War. He was featured in History channels Dogfights. This bridge and how sturdy it was, was the direct catalyst into the US creating Laser Guided Munitions. Precision munitions. There were obviously various additional factors, but this mission was a main reason
I have that series on DVD. I'd like to find the shootout series on DVD
That is a series I could watch over and over. I never get bored with Dogfights.
Wow, what an important mission this was to history!
Excellent job on the refuel all things considered, Cap.
The Thach Weave was developed by John S Thach along with Edward "Butch" O'Hare. It came about because of the "under performance" of the F4F Wildcats when going up against the, at the time much better, A6M Zero.
The Fat Electrician has a great video talking about Butch O'Hare and how he shot down 5 enemy planes in 4 minutes.
Yeah Mr Thachs interviews are also a good watch.
there was some great flying there, and a sexy dogfight at the end. truly, supercap, best cap.
When I was maintaining KC-135s, we would have to slather up the boom probe with tons of grease before refueling F-4s. F-4 pilots were notorious for breaking off the probe. My father was stationed at Bien Hoa AB in the late 60's, as a KC-135 crew chief. I have old photos he took from the boom pod, refueling these same aircraft in this reenactment.
❤Cap wishing you and all the Boys well!
Thanks and hope all is well in your world as well,
Nice! Now I want to see this from the Migs' perspectives. Imagine being outnumbered 10:1 and your job is to protect the bridge.
I'm trying to get Cap motivated to do it.
just watched the operations room video on this mission and then i see this video is a wonderful surprise
I remember setting up missions on my 486 with Jane's US Navy Fighters 97. That opening scene gave me flashbacks (although the graphics weren't as good then obviously)
No Grump? We couldn't enjoy the mission approved snacks and customer service calls to go with that air to air meditation.
Grump is always around sometimes its just too early in the morning for him to wake up for. But we all enjoy when he joins us
That maneuvering and camera work at 35:35 was Hollywood grade, amazing!! well done!
When the USN decided the F-111 wasn't for them we here in Oz were happy to give them a home. They remained a mainstay in the RAAF for the next 40 years and are much beloved for their participation in dump and burns as part of large public displays, such as the Riverfire festival in Brisbane.
The fact that they could operate in all weather conditions and haul a gravity bomb to Jakarta unescorted was a handy feature.
That looked awfully stressful, chaps! Well done.
The Thud was a divisive light bomber. For some missions it was from somewhat effective to very effective. For some not so much. It certainly was extremely fast, but especially the early models could have been more reliable. Still to me a fine piece of military aviation history.
Love these re-enactments you gents do! Thank you!
While filling any pressure bearing vessel an event known as adiabatic heating can occur and create internal combustion through compression just like a piston driven diesel motor. BOOM.
Apparently, ED has updated the air to air refuel time in the F4E in the July 11 patch. You'll have to see what the new refuel time is.
GR being Kelly's Heroes...... Dark would be 'Oddball' 😂
thats fair
When we went to the Hill airbase museum I got see all of the Century Series fighters. I had already seen static displays of the F-100, -101, -102, and -104. The ones I was most excited to see was the "Thud" and the F-106.
A bridge attack "though the ages" mission would be cool.
Speaking of air-to-air refuelling . . . Operation Black Buck in 1982 had multiple iterations of refuelling. At night. And one of those was in a storm.
David B. Waldrop (3x SS, 3x DFC, etc... 1 MiG-17 confirmed plus 1 probable) ... the gunsight camera footage of a MiG-17 getting smoked (the ubiquitous Vietnam-era gun kill footage) is his. I met him in the early-90s when he was a captain at Delta Airlines and had a side-gig as an IP for Sky Warriors (laser tag in T-34s). One of the most down-to-earth and self-effacing men I have ever met. He was the only IP on their board that didn't have a callsign... best I can tell, his callsign was "sir."
Another brilliant scenario played out by beautiful humans and sexy AI. The Phantom is a gift that keeps on giving
This is what I am talking about, something about Vietnam era aviation is just so special to witness the difficulties and challenges involved. I would love to see a large wargame filled with AI North Vietnamese SAM, AA batteries and Mig23/17's on intercept with Blue AI AG flights, with you guys operating A4's or F4's fighting in the contested airspace either CAP, SEAD/DEAD, CAS, Strike etc. It would be extremely difficult to set up and get the required numbers so I do not expect it anytime soon but a simulation where one can imagine how difficult the actual combat missions were back then.
Alternatively, would be fascinating to see if you could replicate a Vietnam air assault (UH-1) multiple chalk flights delivering troops to combat and the dangers and challenges those missions inherently had.
Or a what-if scenario late Vietnam war, operating F14 tomcats in place of major strikes/cap taken place by other aircraft using weapons of the era on the F14 platform to see the difference if any versus the real events.
Another what-if albeit less realistic, what if the AH64D was operational with it's full modern or not, load out during Vietnam war, replacing dangerous missions performed by the huey gunship and AH-1's what impact could an advanced helicopter have over the conflict.
Vietnam war presents itself as such a fascinating conflict to test ones skill, and bring to light the dangers that were present that we often do not know or have forgotten about. By doing these missions you are keeping the conflict and the sacrifices made by all parties involved in the forefront of our minds, so that their sacrifices will never be forgotten, especially to younger generations who may not know the details of the conflict. Yes, it is entertainment, but by replicating real-world missions you provide a starting curiosity into an event, in which one could further read about and better understand the real events and thus you keep the memories and history alive.
Cap, Simba, Dark, Pooch and all GR members you guys are legendary for the entertainment you provide, as an aerosexual who loves all things aviation I have honestly learned a lot from watching your videos new and old, from real world Pakistan and India operations I wasn't cognisant of and later read about. To intricate details regarding weapons and aircraft performance and envelopes albeit with pinch of salt between DCS and reality or my favourite being watching the strategies you guys choose in PVP to turn disadvantages into advantages. I appreciate everything you do.
Losing nuclear-capable, Mach 2 jets in a low-level, subsonic, conventional bombing mission is like wondering why you have a smashed hand and a broken pipe wrench after trying to use it to hammer a railroad spike. The Air Force designed some great tools for a particular job and then proceeded to use them for something else entirely.
DCS needs a hyper-real Crimean bridge.
My old man was a mechanic in Thailand at that time, keeping our planes in the air.
The F-100s did surprisingly well in this dogfight.
I look forward to Grinellie's F-100 when it comes to DCS as an official module.
TBH the boys did well too, no deaths and we even got some kills.
It really is a form of very stressful yet oddly calming meditation. I found the Phantom stable and easy to refuel. For guns better to get in CAA mode for radar guided reticle lead.
I found the radar reticle useless, but I'm probably doing it wrong.
@@grimreapers Pinkie must be on HEAT for center sector scan! After lock switch to guns. Check manual p611
The F105 were designed to carry their tactical nuke internally. I don’t believe hanging all those iron bombs off the wings was ever envisioned in the initial design.
F-101, we had one each at Tyndall AFB in the early 80's.
Cool
The F105 wasn’t really meant for this kind of mission. It was assumed any war would be nuclear, and the F105 was really meant to deliver a nuke. For THAT mission, the F105 was perfect. What this mission and Vietnam in general did was make the AF and Navy realize there would be wars that weren’t nuclear and required conventional capabilities.
Yup completely agreed.
Fun fact, Thunderchiefs had more gun kills in Vietnam than all other US types combined.
Wow!
The Thach Weave was developed by John Thach in 1941 to overcome the Wildcat’s disadvantage to the Zero. It was not developed by a Thud pilot.
what ever happened to kortana?
Somebody watches Operations Room! All the best!
Good Mission!
Although this campaign was ultimately unsuccessful and we lost damn near a thousand aircraft, Cap was right when he said that this woke up the US military and government to the fact we sucked ass. The Air Force was only trained to intercept Soviet bombers in route to drop nucs on the American mainland. We changed ALL THAT in a few years
Am drunk, and you confused me I thought Im having a stroke. You need to warn people that you've been "creative" with maps. 😁
you don't like our crayon drawn maps lol🤣 I print them out and post them on the refrigerator.
Fat Electrician had that pilot ace story too I think… O’Hare airport named after him
I did pine for you these last few days.
Yeh been struggling a bit so had to take a few days off.
Cap, it would help if during dogfighting you would set the gun sight to A/A and use the radar. You may find that the gun suddenly isn't useless.
I do it on purpose, I just can't get on with the radar sight, I accept I'm probably doing something wrong but I seem to do better with cage.
@@grimreapers Take control of the radar with the uncage button. Press the nosewheel steering button when the target is in the reticle to lock it.
Just select sidewinders before you try to lock it. Selecting 'HEAT' has the radar look straight at the reticule, while 'RADAR' and 'GUN' have it scan to right and above the reticule respectively IIRC.
The main issue I have is forgetting to set it back to 'HEAT' after I lose lock, followed by a lot of cursing as the radar doesn't lock the target.
That was a good one
Could you imagine an air fleet of armed SR-71's?
ooof
F-4 looks like a steam engine, with the smoke trail :)
Yes, it was like a Russian aircraft carrier of the sky
I would love to see this mission done with a B52 arclight raid.
Fair comment. Tempted...
They need to add the Aardvark
Cap.
When you need to refuel just remember to use the force, let it guide your actions. 😀👍
Have you considered posting the long form videos on GR2 with the quality banter as you travel from t/o to mission area?
Sometimes I put videos on in the background just to listen to the banter!
@@Vyborgclark hoggit would go wild if we did that
Will consider but my internet is so slow it takes like 10 hours to upload the 2-3 hours vids.
@@grimreapers Petition from America to get Gig fiber to West Suffolk it is then.
Can you do this mission again with Paveway or similar LGB?
i would be into that.
That was the follow up in 1972 during Op Linebacker, they finally too the bridge out with a LGB.
Are y'all going to do a tribute Admiral Pete "Viper" Pettigrew?
4.060 LTR FOR THE F16 INTERNAL FUEL
Much though I like Caps flying fortress quote, the point really isn't that Phantoms carried alot of bombs (relatively) but that the flying fortress carried comparatively few! Vietnam led directly to the A7 and A10.
7.022 LTR INTERNAL FUEL
@TheOperationsRoom did a good video on this
Yup that inspired my vid.
Candid CyberCap @8:12
Thanks I enjoy the Vietnam era aircraft , the technology was at a cusp between useless & good😮 and aircraft often pressed into roles they weren’t really designed for....is there an f105 or f100 or crusader models in DCS? If so would love to see missions with those from the cockpit please?
None of them exept mods with lego builded mustaches over fc3 planes
@@Pillow_Cat 🤣 love that description
hi Cap can you please take a look at a single C-17 using the "revolver supersonic missile system" 12 Boeing x51 attack against something , as you have tested Rapid Dragon in before thanks.
Is what happens when you go to war with crappy training and kit designed for a different kind of war.
Yarp
F-105's were designed to drop tactical nukes so they were only marginal as a close in bomber.
How would the F-105 have performed vs Warsaw Pact forces in a "hot" scenario in Europe, if it was ever deployed in such a context?
You know Cap, after what you said about the Super Sabres carrying more bombs than the venerable B-17's, how's about replacing the B-17's in some of those large bombing missions with the Super Sabres. After all, they are AI so, watching them attempt one of your many WW2 missions would be rather squidgy, yes, I said squidgy. So, same amount of aircraft, more bombs. More accurate? A scientific mission appears to be on the cards.
Will try. FYI Thunderchiefs, not Super Sabres.
@@grimreapers My bad.
CAP. Refuel the F4 over the canopy bow. Much easier. Use the tanker belly and marks on it to stay in range. Panel colors change, panel lines, etc. Much easier.
Sir make video on pak vs indian air force war plz
Include all fleet of pakistan and india and also defence system
India attack Pakistan
What, no A-4, dislike! ;D JK. Still trying to get brakes sorted and trim (keeps going in the direction i press) on the A-4 a month after i re-download it, gave up 3 months ago...
Cap "Each one of those Thunderchiefs carried more bombs than a B-17 in World War II"
Well, yes, but the bomb bay capacity was not the B-17's main selling point. Several of the B-17's contemporaries could carry larger bomb loads, significantly so in some cases. And when the B-29 entered service, it made all the other bombers obsolescent overnight, despite its teething troubles.
I think the bots have finally quit lesss goooo
No, not yet 😠
@@aztec0112 I don’t see any
Could F-105s raid Schweinfurt successfully?
How the hell did you match vietnam jungles to Argentina's patagonia WTF!!!!!
ok heres a tip. when you watch the video. stand on the right side of the sofa. old a glass of jack daniels wisky with one and a half cubes of ice in your left hand. tilt your head 27.4 degrees to your right and pick your left leg up. I'm telling you it will look exactly the same as real life vietnam.
@@simba1113 jesus a single glass wont do it lol
You just have to squint REAL hard. Then looks correct.
For Historical content:
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Thud run.
Hi cap, my name is lucky and I am a Nigerian (don't laugh). I love dcs world but I cannot afford to get a PC for it, I dream about dcs when I sleep I need help please
You put Chinese skins on the migs
Dark, I really believe if you put forth just a little less effort, you could increase the volume of your vocal fry. It’s so pleasant to hear a man talk that sounds like he’s sitting on the crapper trying to pass a green pinecone backwards. Very, very annoying.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh man a green pinecone. I'm going to ask him tonight about that. lol thanks for watching
Thanks Simba! You are you great guys got me through my esophageal cancer, surgery in recovery last year. I spent a lot of time with my what I referred to as Grim Reaper brothers. Thanks so much for the great entertainment and content!
Awww poor Dark. He's such a nice guy.
Sorry to hear about your illness, I am no stranger the cancer. Wishing you the best.