@@williamgardner1560Liverpool used to be a fantastic team especially in the 70s and 80s and we're practically unbeatable but they have lost their way over the last 10 years or so
A cultural broad contempt for the rich and powerful tends to help you steer clear of such things. US-style admiration for such people is pretty alien to us.
In the last Scottish census (2022) 51.1% of people said they had no religion, up from 36.7% in 2011. Probably because they asked us to be honest & stop putting Jedi...😁 Makes you proud to be Scottish 😂
Kalyn of Girl Gone London is brave to tackle some controversial topics. She covered quite a large canvas on this podcast and did it very well. Love her to bits ❤.
Brave? I do love her stuff, she is very intelligent and thoughtful but if you are American, I thought yours was the land of the free?..I can't imagine a European making this comment.
I remember many years ago I had a girlfriend whose family was very religious. We went to visit for the weekend and on the Sunday I was asked if I was religious. I replied, "Yes, I go to the pub every Sunday, religiously." We were asked to leave, and I was told I wasn't welcome in their house again. 😂
In some accepted religions, people can act cultishly. And what about the secret child abuse scandals? That would probably get smaller ' Movements' banned?
Really sorry to hear you lost two people to covid. I was a nurse working on a covid ward at the time and still struggle with some of the things I experienced. I don’t even engage in conversation about covid anymore because it’s too tiring talking to people who still act like wearing a mask was the worst thing in the world.
Did i just find out that my late Mother was in a cult? She was an Avon lady back in the seventies and sold lots of strange smelling potions and lotions. Mother, what did you do? I'm now mentally scarred by the soap on a rope.
No, but it was an interesting sales method, basically local agents who sell to friends and family, there a many other catalogue options and famously Ann Summers
Working in the medical field, I once received a referral that gave a presenting complaint of "pain on deification". 😅 I sent a pencilled note to the doctor " query stigmata" but he didn't get the joke.
One consistent thing that I’ve heard Americans who have lived in the UK for some time say is that there’s a greater sense of community here - so I wonder if that ties with the top down resources as a contributing factor
Or it could be an element of gun culture or lack of in the uk. Americans tend to be wary of each other, understatement to an extent, as opposed to the UK. Just on that one point alone these a massive gulf between the two countries, people in the uk are more approachable, bit more chilled out and such like including that community spirit. Naturally it's not everywhere in the uk but point is Americans tend to distance themselves from their neighbor's partly because of the whole gun culture and everything directly and indirectly involved with that and the whole thing with HOA's. HOA's is a whole thing in of itself in America. I reckon you get the general point been made
@@Benson...1I think it's just an attitude difference towards harm, it happens so infrequently here that it would be the last thing on our minds, what was that noise? Wind? The dogs? Surely not a madman trying to rob and kill us
The UK used to be religious but over the years it's steadily dwindled. So look at the % this way America as a country is a teenager, the UK is more like a grandfather. So America is still learning but the UK has been there seen that got the t-shirt
I grew up Catholic but the priest fucked it up even the older most religious family members who treated the church like a cult even turned the backs on them as did quite a few I think. I've not been in a church for nearly 20yr now
In the uk there are christians (i forget what they were called but they are in a group who work very closly with the police) who help drunk/pased out people by giving them a ride home or ordering a taxi and giving them water and lollipops which some how helps and flip flops
My Mum is British but she became an Amway (pyramid scheme) selling Jehovah's Witness (Chridtian cult) member when I was a kid. Even as a 12 year old it set off all of my bullshit detectors, but oddly, not hers.
I think in the UK, we are likely to look up to someone who says they are 'a self-made man'. With the normal response being 'good of you to accept the blame'.
Wild Wild Country is one of my favourite documentaries, it was so fascinating. Especially to see the interviews with key cult members years later who appeared to have no remorse or regret for the things they did, and looked back fondly at the cult. Mormonism certainly operates like a cult. I agree I’ve known some lovely Mormons, but it’s definitely shady as a “religion”. There’s a lot of documentaries and accounts from people who describe “escaping” from it, and people who were forced to cut ties with non Mormon family. Louis Theroux has some very interesting documentaries on cults- his Scientology one is good, and he also has a few on the Westboro Baptist Church which is cultlike. I regularly walk past the Scientology building in London and it’s so small and empty.
The Mormon church in utah is absolutely covered in occult symbols, and yet they never seem to see it, or to have read 'thou shalt make no graven images.
Joseph Campbell in his study of mythology identified that a missing piece of US life was the absence of an anient mythology. Without it there's no deeply shared story, no solid roots and there aren't the 'Hero's journeys' or the rites of passage that connent the population to a timeless mystic foundation of its culture. It just doesn't have a timeless mystic foundation.
I'm shocked there is around 2000 cults over here, I would have thought it was a lot less. I've never really understood how someone would follow a cult leader, I don't want to over-simplify anything, but i've always thought they're easily led. But I've never thought that someone joining a cult is is alone and life isn't going well, which has my sympathy.
I don't think it's incorrect to consider them easily-led. As you say, you just have to employ some empathy and try to understand why they're that way - vulnerable, lost people will allow themselves to be manipulated by someone promising them something they crave. They might know they're being manipulated, but once they let that influence in it's a lot harder to escape it.
Sorry for your losses to covid. I agree with you about mask wearing, It really wasn't difficult to wear one and as it helped protect everyone, I never understood people moaning about it.
I still wear a mask when I go out, which isn't often, as I am at risk. So going to the hospital, doctors etc I am always masked. My neighbour had covid 5 months ago, one brother had it two months ago, the other had it a month ago. So they didn't come up as my dad is vulnerable too.
@@alex-E7WHU And did I tell anyone else to wear one, no. Did I make any other comments about people who don't wear them, no. You van do what you want. It was just a personal comment. You clearly were trying to prove something by this post. So congrats on that, I guess. You are clearly better than me.
I always enjoy Kaylin's content- but I found this one particularly interesting. I listened to a fascinating radio series on a life coaching MLM style cult and how people get sucked in and then trapped. Loved the Cullt Leader 'Prayer' at the end JJ! I felt your power through my laptop!!!
Think she did a great job breaking this down. Think the lack of institutional support systems have a lot to do with it. Isolation and loneliness we have plenty of... but we do have pub culture that tends to an answer! 😁
A lot more focus on why Americans are more prone than reasons why British people are more resistant. Yes it is all about culture and our collective histories... a Brit is very likely to mock or put down a 'boastful' person saying 'they have the answer'. American bookshelves are full of 'self-improvement' literature and manuals for a better life and Brits look for entertainment and a good story.
I think 5% regular church attendance is on the high side. When I lived in England I knew nobody but my parents who attended church except for weddings, funerals and baptisms which were just social obligations. The number of British people describing themselves as Christians is now just under 50%. Many will say they believe in God but not an established religion.
She said 'British' but who knows how she's categorising that. Where I live, there's a lot of immigrants that have either brought their own religions and built their own places of worship...OR, on the other hand, there's also around 10,000 Polish (from a population of 280,000) and other from a number of predominantly traditionally Catholic East European countries that have given the Catholic churches a massive, massive boost in the area.
@@vallejomach6721 I read quite a few years ago it was 3% but yes, immigrant populations probably have bumped up that number because of a higher proportion of them attending a service. I wonder if the figure in this video included non-Christians attending a mosque, temple or synagogue etc which I would guess is quite high.
As a child I watched a UK horror pic called Beware the Brethren. It was about a religious zealot who took advantage of an old lady, took over her house for his church and wouldn't allow her medication. After seeing that I never trusted any preacher.
The biggest / weirdest / saddest thing about the US hyper-individualistic mentality? The fact that nowhere in your nation's constitution does it state (let alone hint at) me, me, me, me. Nowhere does it state (let alone hint at) my rights, my rights, my precious little rights. The three most important - if not, most powerful words: "We the People." A collective. Everyone working together for the betterment of the nation and its people at every level. Every walk of life.
How is a religion not a cult? People following the ‘words’ of an entity, that they can’t even prove existed. Setting rules on how to live your life & punishing those who don’t adhere to them. I could go on all night about this & I’m pretty sure I’ll get some ‘interesting’ feedback on my view of religion. So just remember it’s my opinion, if it doesn’t align with your beliefs, just know that yours don’t align with mine.
On a serious note........the 5% in the UK would not necessarily mean Christians. 15% of the UK are of Asian Heritage so mostly Sikh, Hindu or Muslim. Having a "national" religion like the Church of England ( like Catholicism in Italy, Spain, France and Ireland ) means we Europeans, if religious, rarely deviate into "nutty" religions. This is ingrained, I was never christened, have never attended church apart from school/guide/remeberance services but still regard even baptists, methodists as "crazy christians" because they are not CofE or Catholics. It is a complex subject.
I found this video fascinating when I first saw her video and have seen a couple reactors watch it too which was also interesting. One of the reactors mentioned the fact that we are more pessimistic or suspicious as a factor too. I also think there seems to be a lack of critical thinking taught in the USA which may also play a part, back to the high & low context, in the UK (high context) we tend to use critical thinking skills all the time to read between the lines and work out what people really mean. I think though that it can be easy to by pass people's critical thinking by making things more emotional, ie. by using fear to garner hate and bring people to a place they wouldn't otherwise go to. Which can be seen with the rise of extremism across the world, scary. I don't know if you've looked at Feli from Germany's channel but she posts some really interesting videos, one I'd recommend is about how WWII is taught in Germany, I found it really interesting as I'm from the UK we get taught about it from our perspective more than other countries.
Even in school we used to say "pic or it didn't happen", of course we're going to be skeptical and ask for proof if Scientology came to us and started saying anything.
I think one point that she misses is how old Christianity is in the UK . It’s been here since Roman time and even the Church of England was established in the 1500’s Religion in the US is a relatively new concept so is much more open to new variations, Where religion in England is steeped in history so takes a much more singular form ie in general if you’re religious you go to a traditional church that’s always existed or if you’re not you don’t. I’m also very surprised we have as many as 2000 cults in the UK most people here have only heard about the ones in the US and we’ve known about Scientology being also in the UK but it’s nowhere near as prevalent . In fact in my 50yrs living in London if I’ve ever come across a Scientologist they’ve been American.
Adjacent to some of what she said, in the US being totally full of yourself / having a high opinion of yourself is generally admirable as it speaks to personal confidence, where as in the UK, anything that is boastful or smacks of arrogance is seen as a really bad look, and we will either tear you down or laugh at you. Certainly not follow you.
What I find interesting about this is we are a theocracy in the UK. Many of us who went to perfectly normal (non-faith schools) went to school assembly with religious readings and hymns. We had (and have) nativity plays at Christmas, and being in them or in the school choir is not optional. Doing readings at school in front of the whole school is not optional (I can remember standing up in front of my school aged 5 and doing a reading). But we are a lot less religious, generally. And we are a socialist country. There was just a survey released, detailing the things that voters (of all parties) care about - and it's the environment, the NHS, housing, social security, etc.
Kenneth Copeland is for sure a cult leader. But i love the guy because every time i see him i just laugh my arse off because he looks like fucking Hoggle from the film Labyrinth xD
We like Church at Christmas with Carols, Easter, and perhaps Harvest festival, when it becomes like theatre. We have ordained vicars and priests, so it's more regulated. Preachers who collect vast amounts of money, and run their own churches, are virtually unheard of here. The American preacher at Harry's wedding, ruined it with his 15 minute rant.
She is refreshingly well-informed on the cult problem. My experience has been that very few people are. I have studied cult psychology and tactics informally for decades. I have a novel out, called The Contraption, that brings the whole situation to life through literary fiction. Two organizations I recommend are the International Cultic Studies Association, and the Freedom of Mind Foundation. Learn the realities of cults!
I don't think swearing allegiance every morning does anybody any favours. That is culty AF Meanwhile in the UK, a church school tries to get us all to pray once a week. EVERYONE is taking the piss, it is culturally accepted this is going to happen, and that the teacher is going to try and catch you. Solid work skill, hide your shit from the boss.
In primary school one of my teachers used to get us to recite The Lords Prayer every morning but in all fairness, her husband was a Minister. Other than that though in the nondenominational schools I attended, we only had assembly (which was the only time we were expected to pray) between two and four times a year.
I think that the differences in our sense of humour are significant. We never bought into Fascism ( a kind of cult ) unlike a lot of other European nations . We tend to find anyone that is vain glorious or who wants self aggrandisement preposterous and take the piss out of them.
I've often wondered why America is riddled with cults, so this was actually interesting to watch. As for the lack of religion in the UK, my local church has a vicar that covers 4 separate churches, like they are hard up for Vicars or money (used to be 1 Vicar per church) and they sold the vicarage which has been done up into a family home now but I couldn't say if the church has many goers or not because I obviously never go nor do I know anyone that does, but its fair to say it's a shadow of what it was 2 or 3 decades ago.
I personally would disagree that people from the US are more religious than people from the UK but I would concede that in the US Christians are far more performative in their religion. Definitely to an extent where they seem more concerned about others believing they are extremely religious because of having an over the top connection to a Church and bringing God into everything, rather than living a good life full of treating people as you hope to be treated etc etc. I’d also hazard a guess that the fact that there is institutionalised indoctrination in the US from a very young age with the likes of the regular recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and singing the national anthem at every organised event, must increase susceptibility to the snake oil salesmen who start cults. Just look at Maga, surely those on the outside of it whether they support Trump or not, must be able to recognise that there is a level of brainwashing to those who become part of that movement. (I literally just finished typing this when you brought up Trump and the face masks).
Americans are so much more optimistic/romantic than the British. Americans believe in ideals and a better world, Brits just hope things won't get too much worse in the near future. There are pros and cons to both attitudes.
Hunting the deification shifts. We have placed religions mostly in musty attics or basements and are wary of mesmeric influencers. Sadly, recently, we fell for Nigel Farage so we have slipped quite a bit and I place that because of a decline in literacy which started in the 80s - in line with the US.
Nigel Farage doesn’t lead a cult though. He’s the head of a political party that are gaining momentum for the simple reason: Reform is the only party in the UK that seem to be genuinely concerned about the negative impacts of unfettered immigration. All the rest of the parties seem to think every extra person in the UK is a blessing, glossing over the fact that not an insignificant amount of them do not respect British values and many are here to sponge off our benefit system. That’s why Farage is popular.
With you on this, but who in Dog’s name fell for Farage? Everyone I know thought he was a ludicrous buffoon with some nuttily questionable and possibly dangerous ideas.
I think we have more gangs then cults in the UK. There was an old man who was arrested for being a part of a criminal gang, which he only joined because he was lonely
Amway, Coke and there's a couple other brands I've encountered where the staff are VERY culty. I'm pretty sure there's $cientology "centres" in Buckinghamshire, Manchester and London. Americans love sales people - incoming President lol, doesn't matter how shady the product, so long as the sales-rep "speak strong" Americans seem to lap it up. Brits are more suspicious, if someone approaches me in the street I always think they're trying to sell me something.
A couple of other things that make it easier, and that back up the more religious US v UK. You have a lot more people living in the US. So percentage wise, you will have a lot more gullible people as-well as those who just believe. The US also has a lot of open space for those hide away cults, which is just not available in the UK. The cults here are, for the most part, out in the open such as Scientology. It is a lot harder to hide away with a large cult in the middle of nowhere in the UK. (Scientology is probably only big because of some of its members being major celebrities too). With more people being atheist or just on the fence here in the UK, you will also find that peer pressure plays less of an effect towards a cult and more peer pressure towards warding friends and family away from dangerous cults. Even so there are lots of cults here but most are small in comparison, skirting the cultism boundaries and less dangerous, although some are still dangerous.
I’d be very good at being a bad cult leader. Not only am I hard of hearing, No one ever listens to me. I have heard people shouting “what a stupid cult” at least that’s what I think they are saying.
Sorry I find cults so interesting lol. It’s not exactly a cult but there are pockets of areas in the U.K. which are very into alternative medicine which can be very cultish (usually very posh people with more money than sense). But look up a guy called Rudolf Steiner. I believe Behind The Bastards did a podcast on him. There’s areas in the U.K. which still follow his cultlike practices, although it’s still nothing compared to what seems to happen in the US. This is mostly a few just rich posh hippies who want to feel like their lives have meaning and do yoga.
Probably true that it's more rife in the US (like religiosity is much higher, too), although people on this side of the pond aren't immune from holding ridiculous beliefs. More people believe in ghosts, than gods, in Scotland, and probably England and Wales too. I don't believe in either. I am always open to having my mind changed. Although, belief and praise are different things. I believe Hitler existed, but I would never respect him or follow his views. Same regarding unkind gods, real or imagined.
I think she showed the Mormon graphic as an example of religious group that is not secretive about its rituals - and i agree, I've only met a few Mormons but they struck me as very nice people.
Personally (although I was christened as a Scottish Protestant) have chosen not to follow a religion, because all if not most wars are based on religion. I find it a weak and feeble excuse to kill your fellow man! The person that compared cults to supporting a football team is not wrong, again a excuse to fight your fellow man. Completely stupid idea. 🤷♀️
Just reacting to " A toxic leader that doesn't have your best interests at heart "? I'd say a good definition of recently resigned Archbishop of Canterbury to his flock! Does that make Church Of England a cult?
10 thousand cults in America, vs 2 thousand in the uk. But the uk can fit into the usa about 40 times, so that makes it seem like we're more cultisth somehow 🤣 though not as crazy...?
Well id say Mormon and that i was definitely in from a baby but once I became of adult age I Left you can only be friends with your own kind. !!My "bishop" told me I was not allowed to be with the young girls from my work place as they was not my own kind mormon! But i did 25 years
I don't think it's a sin to be rich, but the worship of money is and it depends on what you do with your wealth. You can't be a philanthropist if you are poor. Thr mega churches you have in the States look scary to me. They seem to centre around, and idolise, the shouty preacher, rather than the message, and the vast fortunes these guys, (and it usually seems to be men doing this), make for themselves is obscene. The extreme offshoots of Christianity definitely seem cultist to me. Very interesting video. Most Brits would just say, "on your bike, weirdo" to these so-called leaders, or words to that effect 🤗
I think Americans are trained in public speaking, but it's all about the presentation not the content. So the listeners are also judging by the performance and not the content. Americans tend to think if it was presented well, it must be right yeah. Brits are more cynical. We pay more more attention to the content. We have been had before. We have also witnessed people trained to become good orators like Hitler, who brainwashed a nation, we then had to deal with the consequences of that. That's why we are a cynical bunch.
In the UK ,we don't have a " DREAM " - because we are AWAKE . ( thanks to Al Murray -the " Pub Landlord " .)
Is Al Murray ... woke?
we have massive cults here they're called football teams
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I am not in a massive cult
My team, is in the second division
I am ...I support the mighty reds(Liverpool)
@@williamgardner1560Liverpool used to be a fantastic team especially in the 70s and 80s and we're practically unbeatable but they have lost their way over the last 10 years or so
Oh great Zenu, please let my crap team beat Spurs then Celtic this week! 🙏😬🙄😃
A cultural broad contempt for the rich and powerful tends to help you steer clear of such things. US-style admiration for such people is pretty alien to us.
In the last Scottish census (2022) 51.1% of people said they had no religion, up from 36.7% in 2011. Probably because they asked us to be honest & stop putting Jedi...😁
Makes you proud to be Scottish 😂
Lots of Jedi in Australia too 😅
I'd imagine the Romans said the same thing when people started putting "Christian" on their censuses.
Offensive. I am a Jedi.
I love that Scottish attitude! 😂
Kalyn of Girl Gone London is brave to tackle some controversial topics. She covered quite a large canvas on this podcast and did it very well. Love her to bits ❤.
Yeah she’s great! I discovered her through this channel but I watch her a lot now, she’s got a really wide range of topics.
Brave? I do love her stuff, she is very intelligent and thoughtful but if you are American, I thought yours was the land of the free?..I can't imagine a European making this comment.
I remember many years ago I had a girlfriend whose family was very religious. We went to visit for the weekend and on the Sunday I was asked if I was religious. I replied, "Yes, I go to the pub every Sunday, religiously." We were asked to leave, and I was told I wasn't welcome in their house again. 😂
Lucky escape for you.
Whst happened to the girlfriend.
In some accepted religions, people can act cultishly. And what about the secret child abuse scandals? That would probably get smaller ' Movements' banned?
@onecupof_tea She wasn't religious at all, fortunately. We were still together for a few years after the event.
I’m in an English Cult!!! Our cult encourages people to think for themselves!!! 🤣
Take me to your leader!
We're all individuals!
@@nolaj114that’s my point!!!
Stunning insight. @@nolaj114
@@nolaj114I'm not.
Really sorry to hear you lost two people to covid. I was a nurse working on a covid ward at the time and still struggle with some of the things I experienced. I don’t even engage in conversation about covid anymore because it’s too tiring talking to people who still act like wearing a mask was the worst thing in the world.
Thank you for doing what you did/do!
😘
❤Thank you for your selfless service
Did i just find out that my late Mother was in a cult? She was an Avon lady back in the seventies and sold lots of strange smelling potions and lotions. Mother, what did you do? I'm now mentally scarred by the soap on a rope.
No, but it was an interesting sales method, basically local agents who sell to friends and family, there a many other catalogue options and famously Ann Summers
Avon wasn’t so bad but there’s some interesting documentaries on RUclips about MLMs like lularoe!
Mine too, and I had no idea she was in a covern all that time
Working in the medical field, I once received a referral that gave a presenting complaint of "pain on deification". 😅
I sent a pencilled note to the doctor " query stigmata" but he didn't get the joke.
One consistent thing that I’ve heard Americans who have lived in the UK for some time say is that there’s a greater sense of community here - so I wonder if that ties with the top down resources as a contributing factor
Or it could be an element of gun culture or lack of in the uk. Americans tend to be wary of each other, understatement to an extent, as opposed to the UK. Just on that one point alone these a massive gulf between the two countries, people in the uk are more approachable, bit more chilled out and such like including that community spirit. Naturally it's not everywhere in the uk but point is Americans tend to distance themselves from their neighbor's partly because of the whole gun culture and everything directly and indirectly involved with that and the whole thing with HOA's. HOA's is a whole thing in of itself in America.
I reckon you get the general point been made
@@Benson...1I think it's just an attitude difference towards harm, it happens so infrequently here that it would be the last thing on our minds,
what was that noise? Wind? The dogs? Surely not a madman trying to rob and kill us
The UK used to be religious but over the years it's steadily dwindled. So look at the % this way America as a country is a teenager, the UK is more like a grandfather. So America is still learning but the UK has been there seen that got the t-shirt
I grew up Catholic but the priest fucked it up even the older most religious family members who treated the church like a cult even turned the backs on them as did quite a few I think. I've not been in a church for nearly 20yr now
In the uk there are christians (i forget what they were called but they are in a group who work very closly with the police) who help drunk/pased out people by giving them a ride home or ordering a taxi and giving them water and lollipops which some how helps and flip flops
"God is British, that's why we don't have earthquakes, you don't shit on your own doorstep" - Al Murray
She makes great points, she is the truth giver let’s all follow her teachings where do I sign up. Praise be to her.
😂😂😂
Being British I'm not falling for your Snake Oil.
My Mum is British but she became an Amway (pyramid scheme) selling Jehovah's Witness (Chridtian cult) member when I was a kid. Even as a 12 year old it set off all of my bullshit detectors, but oddly, not hers.
Trumps a massive cult, whoops spelt that wrong.
Does 'trump' also mean the same thing it when I was growing up in the 70s? As a hint I'll just president fart.
Love Trump ....
I think in the UK,
we are likely to look up to someone who says they are 'a self-made man'.
With the normal response being 'good of you to accept the blame'.
Sorry for your losses JJ 😞
GGL's timing on this video was impeccable👏
Thought it was Flavour aid not cool aid? In Britain it would be Irn Bru,and Irn Bru drinkers would shrug off any poison and come back for more!😂😂
Wild Wild Country is one of my favourite documentaries, it was so fascinating. Especially to see the interviews with key cult members years later who appeared to have no remorse or regret for the things they did, and looked back fondly at the cult.
Mormonism certainly operates like a cult. I agree I’ve known some lovely Mormons, but it’s definitely shady as a “religion”. There’s a lot of documentaries and accounts from people who describe “escaping” from it, and people who were forced to cut ties with non Mormon family.
Louis Theroux has some very interesting documentaries on cults- his Scientology one is good, and he also has a few on the Westboro Baptist Church which is cultlike.
I regularly walk past the Scientology building in London and it’s so small and empty.
The Mormon church in utah is absolutely covered in occult symbols, and yet they never seem to see it, or to have read 'thou shalt make no graven images.
Very sorry to hear that you lost two family members to COVID😞
Joseph Campbell in his study of mythology identified that a missing piece of US life was the absence of an anient mythology.
Without it there's no deeply shared story, no solid roots and there aren't the 'Hero's journeys' or the rites of passage that connent the population to a timeless mystic foundation of its culture.
It just doesn't have a timeless mystic foundation.
There was a Church of Scientology in our town, however I am not sure it is still there, as it was only two doors down from the local Police Station!
Makes sense. After all, where are all the lodges?
I'm shocked there is around 2000 cults over here, I would have thought it was a lot less.
I've never really understood how someone would follow a cult leader, I don't want to over-simplify anything, but i've always thought they're easily led. But I've never thought that someone joining a cult is is alone and life isn't going well, which has my sympathy.
Existing and having any members are two entirely different things.
I don't think it's incorrect to consider them easily-led. As you say, you just have to employ some empathy and try to understand why they're that way - vulnerable, lost people will allow themselves to be manipulated by someone promising them something they crave. They might know they're being manipulated, but once they let that influence in it's a lot harder to escape it.
Sorry for your losses to covid. I agree with you about mask wearing, It really wasn't difficult to wear one and as it helped protect everyone, I never understood people moaning about it.
I still wear a mask when I go out, which isn't often, as I am at risk.
So going to the hospital, doctors etc I am always masked. My neighbour had covid 5 months ago, one brother had it two months ago, the other had it a month ago. So they didn't come up as my dad is vulnerable too.
But I have asthma/COPD and I didn't wear a mask or got the jab. Yet here I am.. 🎉
@@alex-E7WHU And did I tell anyone else to wear one, no. Did I make any other comments about people who don't wear them, no. You van do what you want.
It was just a personal comment.
You clearly were trying to prove something by this post. So congrats on that, I guess. You are clearly better than me.
Actually the figure for UK citizans attending church regularly is < 1.6%
I always enjoy Kaylin's content- but I found this one particularly interesting.
I listened to a fascinating radio series on a life coaching MLM style cult and how people get sucked in and then trapped.
Loved the Cullt Leader 'Prayer' at the end JJ! I felt your power through my laptop!!!
Majorly, for us Brits, there is the Gospel according to Brian - remember, blessed are the cheese makers! And the Greek shall inherit the earth!
Blessed are the cheesemakers! "Not meant to be taken literally, it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.”
Think she did a great job breaking this down. Think the lack of institutional support systems have a lot to do with it. Isolation and loneliness we have plenty of... but we do have pub culture that tends to an answer! 😁
A lot more focus on why Americans are more prone than reasons why British people are more resistant. Yes it is all about culture and our collective histories... a Brit is very likely to mock or put down a 'boastful' person saying 'they have the answer'. American bookshelves are full of 'self-improvement' literature and manuals for a better life and Brits look for entertainment and a good story.
Pure gold 😂 I’m already on Patreon as Kieran B so no prayer required
I think 5% regular church attendance is on the high side. When I lived in England I knew nobody but my parents who attended church except for weddings, funerals and baptisms which were just social obligations. The number of British people describing themselves as Christians is now just under 50%. Many will say they believe in God but not an established religion.
She said 'British' but who knows how she's categorising that. Where I live, there's a lot of immigrants that have either brought their own religions and built their own places of worship...OR, on the other hand, there's also around 10,000 Polish (from a population of 280,000) and other from a number of predominantly traditionally Catholic East European countries that have given the Catholic churches a massive, massive boost in the area.
@@vallejomach6721 I read quite a few years ago it was 3% but yes, immigrant populations probably have bumped up that number because of a higher proportion of them attending a service. I wonder if the figure in this video included non-Christians attending a mosque, temple or synagogue etc which I would guess is quite high.
@@vallejomach6721 Scotland and Wales may have a higher rate too.
As a child I watched a UK horror pic called Beware the Brethren. It was about a religious zealot who took advantage of an old lady, took over her house for his church and wouldn't allow her medication. After seeing that I never trusted any preacher.
The biggest / weirdest / saddest thing about the US hyper-individualistic mentality? The fact that nowhere in your nation's constitution does it state (let alone hint at) me, me, me, me. Nowhere does it state (let alone hint at) my rights, my rights, my precious little rights.
The three most important - if not, most powerful words: "We the People." A collective. Everyone working together for the betterment of the nation and its people at every level. Every walk of life.
How is a religion not a cult? People following the ‘words’ of an entity, that they can’t even prove existed. Setting rules on how to live your life & punishing those who don’t adhere to them.
I could go on all night about this & I’m pretty sure I’ll get some ‘interesting’ feedback on my view of religion. So just remember it’s my opinion, if it doesn’t align with your beliefs, just know that yours don’t align with mine.
On a serious note........the 5% in the UK would not necessarily mean Christians. 15% of the UK are of Asian Heritage so mostly Sikh, Hindu or Muslim. Having a "national" religion like the Church of England ( like Catholicism in Italy, Spain, France and Ireland ) means we Europeans, if religious, rarely deviate into "nutty" religions. This is ingrained, I was never christened, have never attended church apart from school/guide/remeberance services but still regard even baptists, methodists as "crazy christians" because they are not CofE or Catholics. It is a complex subject.
I found this video fascinating when I first saw her video and have seen a couple reactors watch it too which was also interesting. One of the reactors mentioned the fact that we are more pessimistic or suspicious as a factor too. I also think there seems to be a lack of critical thinking taught in the USA which may also play a part, back to the high & low context, in the UK (high context) we tend to use critical thinking skills all the time to read between the lines and work out what people really mean.
I think though that it can be easy to by pass people's critical thinking by making things more emotional, ie. by using fear to garner hate and bring people to a place they wouldn't otherwise go to. Which can be seen with the rise of extremism across the world, scary.
I don't know if you've looked at Feli from Germany's channel but she posts some really interesting videos, one I'd recommend is about how WWII is taught in Germany, I found it really interesting as I'm from the UK we get taught about it from our perspective more than other countries.
A religions just a cult that had enough traction and power to last through history.
Definitely.
Even in school we used to say "pic or it didn't happen", of course we're going to be skeptical and ask for proof if Scientology came to us and started saying anything.
I got approached in London by some Scientologists. I told them no, thanks, but I did get a free L. Ron Hubbard book out of it. It was shit.
But some divvys in Britain did. 2 cults. Brexit. And. Reform UK
The only divvy 's are those who voted Labour in the last election 😂
@@eddievision100% agree, now we have a dictator in charge! What a dumb comment when we have labour and not reform running the country! 😂
@Vickie Calling other people dumb when you voted for Reform UK Limited is hilarious.
I bet you believe everything you see on GBeebies.
Funded by Russia and filled with propaganda. (Both of them.)
@@natalielang6209 didn't vote actually, just think it's a dumb statement given the state of the labour government, personally don't like any of them
The whole USA patriotic thing seems like a cult to me, especially schools pledging allegiance to the flag 🇺🇸 😂😂😂
I think one point that she misses is how old Christianity is in the UK .
It’s been here since Roman time and even the Church of England was established in the 1500’s
Religion in the US is a relatively new concept so is much more open to new variations,
Where religion in England is steeped in history so takes a much more singular form ie in general if you’re religious you go to a traditional church that’s always existed or if you’re not you don’t.
I’m also very surprised we have as many as 2000 cults in the UK most people here have only heard about the ones in the US and we’ve known about Scientology being also in the UK but it’s nowhere near as prevalent . In fact in my 50yrs living in London if I’ve ever come across a Scientologist they’ve been American.
Adjacent to some of what she said, in the US being totally full of yourself / having a high opinion of yourself is generally admirable as it speaks to personal confidence, where as in the UK, anything that is boastful or smacks of arrogance is seen as a really bad look, and we will either tear you down or laugh at you. Certainly not follow you.
When I was in high school I would take a failing grade so I didn't have to do public speaking, 60 odd years later I do speak publicly but not often
I’m a Yorkshireman. We don’t have Cults 😂😂😂😂 The worlds gone mad 😢
Congrats! (and yes 🥲)
your cult is tea
Eckythump?
What I find interesting about this is we are a theocracy in the UK. Many of us who went to perfectly normal (non-faith schools) went to school assembly with religious readings and hymns. We had (and have) nativity plays at Christmas, and being in them or in the school choir is not optional. Doing readings at school in front of the whole school is not optional (I can remember standing up in front of my school aged 5 and doing a reading).
But we are a lot less religious, generally. And we are a socialist country. There was just a survey released, detailing the things that voters (of all parties) care about - and it's the environment, the NHS, housing, social security, etc.
So many Americans talk sh*t but at least you look good and sound confident whilst doing it 😂😂
Pyramid schemes are illegal in the UK.
Coincidentally it wasn’t Kool Aid but Flavor Aid…
Ironically, not coincidentally, but yes.
There's nothing that the Kool-Aid company can do about it now.
Hail Xeenu!
The only cult worth following is The Cult... 🎉 Wild Flower... 😉😊
Kenneth Copeland is for sure a cult leader. But i love the guy because every time i see him i just laugh my arse off because he looks like fucking Hoggle from the film Labyrinth xD
We like Church at Christmas with Carols,
Easter, and perhaps Harvest festival, when it becomes like theatre.
We have ordained vicars and priests, so it's more regulated.
Preachers who collect vast amounts of money, and run their own churches, are virtually unheard of here.
The American preacher at Harry's wedding, ruined it with his 15 minute rant.
She is refreshingly well-informed on the cult problem. My experience has been that very few people are. I have studied cult psychology and tactics informally for decades. I have a novel out, called The Contraption, that brings the whole situation to life through literary fiction. Two organizations I recommend are the International Cultic Studies Association, and the Freedom of Mind Foundation. Learn the realities of cults!
@6:43 I used to pass this church everyday to get to College! I always thought it was a Jehovas Witness building
Nah that's too fancy for a kingdom hall lol and it's got windows
😂 You need to say “God wants you to send me money for coffee and to watch my RUclips channel” Money will come flooding in from the God Squad 😂
What about the Xenu Squad, earthling?
I don't think swearing allegiance every morning does anybody any favours. That is culty AF
Meanwhile in the UK, a church school tries to get us all to pray once a week. EVERYONE is taking the piss, it is culturally accepted this is going to happen, and that the teacher is going to try and catch you. Solid work skill, hide your shit from the boss.
In primary school one of my teachers used to get us to recite The Lords Prayer every morning but in all fairness, her husband was a Minister. Other than that though in the nondenominational schools I attended, we only had assembly (which was the only time we were expected to pray) between two and four times a year.
In Britain, we don't need imaginary friends who will look after us.
I think that the differences in our sense of humour are significant. We never bought into Fascism ( a kind of cult ) unlike a lot of other European nations . We tend to find anyone that is vain glorious or who wants self aggrandisement preposterous and take the piss out of them.
there is a map showing religious belief around the world it may shock you jj
I've often wondered why America is riddled with cults, so this was actually interesting to watch.
As for the lack of religion in the UK, my local church has a vicar that covers 4 separate churches, like they are hard up for Vicars or money (used to be 1 Vicar per church) and they sold the vicarage which has been done up into a family home now but I couldn't say if the church has many goers or not because I obviously never go nor do I know anyone that does, but its fair to say it's a shadow of what it was 2 or 3 decades ago.
I personally would disagree that people from the US are more religious than people from the UK but I would concede that in the US Christians are far more performative in their religion. Definitely to an extent where they seem more concerned about others believing they are extremely religious because of having an over the top connection to a Church and bringing God into everything, rather than living a good life full of treating people as you hope to be treated etc etc.
I’d also hazard a guess that the fact that there is institutionalised indoctrination in the US from a very young age with the likes of the regular recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and singing the national anthem at every organised event, must increase susceptibility to the snake oil salesmen who start cults. Just look at Maga, surely those on the outside of it whether they support Trump or not, must be able to recognise that there is a level of brainwashing to those who become part of that movement. (I literally just finished typing this when you brought up Trump and the face masks).
Britain be like, been there done that
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So sorry you lost people to COVID chick. Sending hugs xxx
Americans are so much more optimistic/romantic than the British. Americans believe in ideals and a better world, Brits just hope things won't get too much worse in the near future. There are pros and cons to both attitudes.
Hunting the deification shifts. We have placed religions mostly in musty attics or basements and are wary of mesmeric influencers. Sadly, recently, we fell for Nigel Farage so we have slipped quite a bit and I place that because of a decline in literacy which started in the 80s - in line with the US.
Nigel Farage doesn’t lead a cult though. He’s the head of a political party that are gaining momentum for the simple reason: Reform is the only party in the UK that seem to be genuinely concerned about the negative impacts of unfettered immigration. All the rest of the parties seem to think every extra person in the UK is a blessing, glossing over the fact that not an insignificant amount of them do not respect British values and many are here to sponge off our benefit system. That’s why Farage is popular.
With you on this, but who in Dog’s name fell for Farage? Everyone I know thought he was a ludicrous buffoon with some nuttily questionable and possibly dangerous ideas.
it's the short attention span inculcated by the so called " social media " internet moguls that have done for us .
@@philtreman9944 Well, it really started quite a while earlier than that. Social media merely gained itself a free ticket to ride upon it.
I'd personally go as far as considering the whole _'heal yourself with thought'_ group to be wholly cultish and scam-based.
We are natural cynics. We have heard it all before. Fool me once.........
I think we have more gangs then cults in the UK. There was an old man who was arrested for being a part of a criminal gang, which he only joined because he was lonely
Cults are the domain of the disenfranchised
The UK is largely secular - most of us are "without need" for that kind of thing.
AND AS AL MURRAY SAID ABOUT THE WAR OF INDEPENDENCE,YANKS SEE THAT AS A WIN UK SEES IT AS A LUCKY ESCAPE LOL
The Branding is the App Store brand symbol 😅
Amway, Coke and there's a couple other brands I've encountered where the staff are VERY culty.
I'm pretty sure there's $cientology "centres" in Buckinghamshire, Manchester and London.
Americans love sales people - incoming President lol, doesn't matter how shady the product, so long as the sales-rep "speak strong" Americans seem to lap it up.
Brits are more suspicious, if someone approaches me in the street I always think they're trying to sell me something.
A couple of other things that make it easier, and that back up the more religious US v UK.
You have a lot more people living in the US. So percentage wise, you will have a lot more gullible people as-well as those who just believe.
The US also has a lot of open space for those hide away cults, which is just not available in the UK. The cults here are, for the most part, out in the open such as Scientology. It is a lot harder to hide away with a large cult in the middle of nowhere in the UK. (Scientology is probably only big because of some of its members being major celebrities too).
With more people being atheist or just on the fence here in the UK, you will also find that peer pressure plays less of an effect towards a cult and more peer pressure towards warding friends and family away from dangerous cults.
Even so there are lots of cults here but most are small in comparison, skirting the cultism boundaries and less dangerous, although some are still dangerous.
JJ. seems you forgot your top left original video details in this one. 😒
I’d be very good at being a bad cult leader. Not only am I hard of hearing, No one ever listens to me. I have heard people shouting “what a stupid cult” at least that’s what I think they are saying.
Sorry I find cults so interesting lol.
It’s not exactly a cult but there are pockets of areas in the U.K. which are very into alternative medicine which can be very cultish (usually very posh people with more money than sense).
But look up a guy called Rudolf Steiner. I believe Behind The Bastards did a podcast on him. There’s areas in the U.K. which still follow his cultlike practices, although it’s still nothing compared to what seems to happen in the US. This is mostly a few just rich posh hippies who want to feel like their lives have meaning and do yoga.
Probably true that it's more rife in the US (like religiosity is much higher, too), although people on this side of the pond aren't immune from holding ridiculous beliefs.
More people believe in ghosts, than gods, in Scotland, and probably England and Wales too. I don't believe in either. I am always open to having my mind changed. Although, belief and praise are different things. I believe Hitler existed, but I would never respect him or follow his views. Same regarding unkind gods, real or imagined.
I think she showed the Mormon graphic as an example of religious group that is not secretive about its rituals - and i agree, I've only met a few Mormons but they struck me as very nice people.
I’m sure most Nazis would come across as “nice people” too.
@@user-blob grow up
Personally (although I was christened as a Scottish Protestant) have chosen not to follow a religion, because all if not most wars are based on religion. I find it a weak and feeble excuse to kill your fellow man! The person that compared cults to supporting a football team is not wrong, again a excuse to fight your fellow man. Completely stupid idea. 🤷♀️
Just reacting to " A toxic leader that doesn't have your best interests at heart "? I'd say a good definition of recently resigned Archbishop of Canterbury to his flock! Does that make Church
Of England a cult?
I only did German for a term in high school on the weekend, parents couldn't afford to pay for extra stuff.
10 thousand cults in America, vs 2 thousand in the uk.
But the uk can fit into the usa about 40 times, so that makes it seem like we're more cultisth somehow 🤣 though not as crazy...?
After your comments about a certain leader, and his followers reluctance to wear masks, did you notice when Kaylin first posted this video?!!
If it's un-Christian to have a lot of money, then the Catholic Church which has around $300bn must be un-Christian....
Well id say Mormon and that i was definitely in from a baby but once I became of adult age I Left you can only be friends with your own kind. !!My "bishop" told me I was not allowed to be with the young girls from my work place as they was not my own kind mormon! But i did 25 years
there are lots of cults here too, I believe the king is the head of one, the pope is the leader of another.
Watch the video of "Jesus he knows me" by the band Genesis, it is about the televangelists in the US.
I know a guy who claims to be a pastafarian, church of the flying spaghetti monster.
The British have plenty of leaders who try to be charismatic. The people they’re trying to lead think this is wildly funny.
6:09 fantastic documentary on 12 tribes and yellow deli done by a couple of youtubers Reckless ben and Danny Berk. look um up init.
Interesting
I don't think it's a sin to be rich, but the worship of money is and it depends on what you do with your wealth. You can't be a philanthropist if you are poor.
Thr mega churches you have in the States look scary to me. They seem to centre around, and idolise, the shouty preacher, rather than the message, and the vast fortunes these guys, (and it usually seems to be men doing this), make for themselves is obscene. The extreme offshoots of Christianity definitely seem cultist to me.
Very interesting video. Most Brits would just say, "on your bike, weirdo" to these so-called leaders, or words to that effect 🤗
OHhhhhh Zenu, he made me like your video, but became stingy bastard when I asked him to lend me money for your Patreon.... sorry mate...
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I think Americans are trained in public speaking, but it's all about the presentation not the content. So the listeners are also judging by the performance and not the content.
Americans tend to think if it was presented well, it must be right yeah.
Brits are more cynical. We pay more more attention to the content. We have been had before.
We have also witnessed people trained to become good orators like Hitler, who brainwashed a nation, we then had to deal with the consequences of that.
That's why we are a cynical bunch.
@stewrmo it’s not happening, Ange is coming for his usual 3 points at Gers, and Celtic will stuff you as well.COYS and Celtic 🍀☘️
I hear a lot about the American pioneer spirit ..... as if the British didn't travel the whole world discovering new things , cultures and places ..