Thank you for this interesting topic. I agree with what you say. I bought a R100Gs in 1988. Did a lot of journeys in Europe and Morocco together with my wife. Had to sell that marvellous BMW some years later. In 2022, I bought a V85TT as I thought it was the closest bike to the R100Gs on the market. And it really is! At 65, I am very happy to ride again a simple and good motorbike, and guess what, my wife likes it very much to ride a bike again as a passenger. Because it is worth mentionning that the V85TT is very suitable for long rides for two people (I am French, I hope my English is understandable, merci).
English is very good mate, and thanks for the comments. I was actually thinking of getting either a v85TT or a R100GS, but didn't fancy the hassle of getting an old 2nd hand bike sorted after buying it...already done all that one the r80! Still glad I made the choice, what a lovely bike it is.
V85tt is what BMW could be still making and selling (even just as a sideline) if it had not killed the airhead line to focus on ever heavier, larger, higher displacement, more powerful, (uglier ?) liquid cooled ‘flagship’ models that sound and cost more like a small car…. The charm of the V85tt is that it takes the wonderful essence of the 80s BMW and ads to it tubeless spoked wheels, modern brakes, ABS, decent suspension, cruise control etc.
Absolutely! Give me 50hp (but max torque), cut out electronics as much as possible (sad about the EU nanny state), and cut the weight. BMW would own the dual sport world and maybe the mid adventure bike range.
I owned a 1992 BMW R100RT (same basic engine as the R80) and yes, the BINGS carburated really well once warm. I've never liked the ful injection off idle on my 2024 V7 STONE or my 2023 V100S. It is just dead feeling. After 18,000 combined miles, I've "adjusted" to it. I never adjusted to the V100S's aggressive nature, though. I though it would be an even gruntier V7 850 engine but nope, it is a rev happy as hell hyper feeling bike with no real guts out of slow ninety degree corners. The valves will knock unless light throttle or keep the revs above 3,500 RPM! This on a 1000 cc twin. The V7" just pulls and pulls in 1,2 or 3rd gear. It pulls harder in the exact right gear, sure, but never complains a gear too high. Seated position on the V100S was always off for my shape. I never felt unwound on it, too far a lean foreward, even with bar risers. Wind management on ther V100S is good. The bike is what it is as a DESIGN, I just misjudged how I ride and I run the grunt. The point? I traded the V100S for a 2025 TRAVEL. On the 100 mile test ride it was immediately so comfortable. The KYB suspension was superior and smooth over the Ohlin's semi-active (strange) even set to tour. I did set the TRAVEL up more for roads; cast wheels, removed the bash plate, added the longer inner front fender. The V7 like engine, it isn't the same mill but close, is just great. Same desiel like pull. The TRAVEL is the V7 and the V100S good aspects in one bike. I never thought I'd like an ADV bike (is the travel really an ADV, too heavy!) but the test drive sold me on the chassis. The engine I already kind of knew what to expect. Now I have the 2024 V7 STONE 850 model TEN and the 2025 850TT TRAVEL. Love them both even if some will say I went backwards. I can always get the "new" stuff after the classic air cooled bikes go away. The V100S is there, not so much the TRAVEL, as it exists. The STELVIO is too much the V100S.
I wanted to buy a smaller BMW boxer twin adventure bike. I had a F850GS but I wanted a shaft drive with a bigger fuel tank and a lower ride height. Since BMW decided to go in the opposite direction with the R1300GS, I bought a V85TT. It is not as refined or smooth as the BMW but it is exactly as you say, a slightly better version of a R80G/ST and goes to 99% of the places I want to go as well.
I bought a '21 V7 stone a year ago, it has gotten much smoother as the miles have added up. I am approaching 10k miles and thinking about adding a V85tt to the fleet.
I kept my 2024 V7 850 stone model ten at 6,500 miles and going and traded the V100S (way too aggressive and tight riding triangle) for the 2025 TRAVEL. So no problem deciding what to keep. Both are classic's in their truf.
I owned an R80GS for 15 years did everything on it. Since then I have a Guzzi 1100 Breva and a Harley. I recently bought an 85tt travel as it was the nearest thing to the R80 on the market. What a great bike, light nimble, and all day comfortable. I also like the fact that there are not dozens of them everywhere you go..
Yeah they are surprisingly rare…I just rode Wales to Instanbul and didn’t see a single one on the whole journey…GS’s now that’s a different story! I haven’t got my Guzzi anymore but do remember that excited wave both me and another v85 owner gave when we rode past each other 🤣
Nicely done . I have a v85TT , But I understandi the airhead bmw GS , Maybe … I get one as a project bike next to my V85tt (I love that bike). Greetings from Holland
V85TT is a great bike. Guzzi has done a huge amount of work to improve their vehicles. Fully modern, light weight and great price. It is not an adventure bike, it is "retro enduro". I disagree, a 40 year oild BMW doesn't hold a candle to the Guzzi. Apples and Oranges
Well done, and a fun review! This will be my last bike (I'm 71) when I purchase one early next year. I'm really looking forward to doing some non-technical dirt riding for the first time in my life, and it's clear this machine is up for it. My local dealer has a '22 Guardia d'Onore edition in stock, but it's too beautiful to ride off-road, so I'll get a color scheme that I don't mind getting dirty instead. Finally, the extra features and luggage that come with the "Travel" edition make it the clear choice for anyone planning longer adventure tours.
Nicely produced content gentlemen! It's not often you stumble on Quota and Stelvio discussions although there's no denying the popularity of the v85tt in remaking the marque. What with the new factory being completely modernised and set for completion in 2025 and the v100 watercooled range; it'll be interesting times ahead for MG. My 76 year old mum loves riding pillion on the back of my Stelvio NTX, even after a comedy spill at nil miles an hour! lol (vid on channel) I keep eyeing up the v85 but I'm enjoying the de-cat burble of the my green coloured 1200 even if it's not as eco"green"-ra ra ra. Shall sub. Best wishes!
Nice review, agree with a lot of what you say.. I've owned two v85s and ridden loads of old GSs. We use two v85s as camera bikes on our YT channel (Lemon Drizzle Gang). I agree about the "Guzziness" of the v85 being somewhat diluted compared to previous models but given the constraints modern manufacturers have to comply with I think they've done amazingly well to keep most of Guzzis positive attributes with that in mind. One thing you don't mention (and pretty key to adventure bikes) is fuel consumption and range. On the road the Beemer would be working much harder at any sort of pace, trying to keep the v85 in sight and guzzle fuel doing it. The v85 gets superb mileage (I average 65mpg ridden swiftly but not going mad) and has a massive tank to boot. Non twin plugged airheads are thirsty beasts. Also I think it's a bit misleading to say they are pretty close on the road, the guzzi handles and brakes way way better (as it should of course) and has another 20 ish bhp, they're not even close imo. I rate the v85 handling above every other Guzzi I've owned (all the CARCs for example) and only a notch behind the new v100. No getting away from how good the early GSs are at what they do though ;o)
That’s a nice extra bit of info for the comments, agree entirely. Been very impressed with how easy it is to ride the Guzzi long distances and the handling is superb. We are still finding our feet with motorbike reviews and I think we could’ve done with a few more bull-it points to guide us and make sure we cover key points, the whole thing was just done “on the fly”. Right off to check out Lemon Drizzle Gang 👍
I owned the 1992 BMW R100RT and it had a big hinge in the middle. MPG was 43 at best, even dual plugged and SS valves so it would not PING. I had the V100S for 13,000 miles and it is way too hyper and eager to be relaxing to use. I also have the 2024 V7 STONE model TEN and it is a delightful engine and chassis. The V100S just wants to rev and go, go go. Great for that. I traded for a 2025 TRAVEL and am way happier. Ride the torque and so much smoother and far, far better seated position for, well, TRAVEL, ha! Handling wise the two Guzzi's, the V7 and TRAVEL blow my 1992 BMW R100RT away. Not even the same century literally.
I had an R80 GS back in the day, great bike ( also a couple of Guzzi's) but it has to be remembered when comparing the apparently narrow differences between old and new air cooled bikes that the old ones didn't have to contend with Euro emissions regulations which would have added bloat and stifled their performance even more.
.... lighter, simpler, easier, cheaper ....... we had a blast back then on this type of bike and thanks to Moto Guzzi we will have the same blast as older blokes with 40year old riding heart's again!
Great video as always. Enjoyed it I have an R80 G/S & R100GS Sidecar. Always considered the V85TT as a next (additional) bike. Good to know I haven't been too far off the mark
Shweinehund(Pig-dog) I love it!! That's what my mom would call my older brothers when they came home after drinking too much. Of course, it was followed by a door slam or two😂. Perhaps my wife will be calling me this when I pull the trigger on the V85tt.
Thank you. As a man who cut his riding teeth on old airheads like the 90S and it's contempories and rode the subsequent generations of boxers, often looking at bikes like the LeMans but put off the Italian build faults, this is a perfect comparison to enjoy.
I have the V85TT Travel as well as a V7III Stone S. I love Guzzi for its simplicity. I wish they’d made a “V8 Scrambler” with off road capable suspension and the V85TT motor.
The V85TT has quite a power advantage over the R80 and the ABS is a substantial plus. For me the Guzzi for an easy win. I bought a new airhead R100 gs in the 90s hands down the worst bike I've ever owned out of about 20 bikes. I'm not anti BMW, I still have a 1991 R100RS and it's a fantastic machine. Having said all that I enjoyed you video. 👍
My 1992 BME R100RT was a strange relationship. Replaced over time were; entire ignition system, entire charging system (guzzi version), timing bean can, fork springs BROKE, so orogressives, would not run on no lead so dual plugs added and SS valves, Teflon lined front brakes (rear drum is useless). The general design was spot-on but the quality of the electronics was awful. It was no German anvil for mne at all but I keot it for 31 years and modified it to work. It worked dine when I sold it but wanted more safety and the like with newere bikes so I bought my 2024 V7 STONE model TEN and 20205 TRAVEL. I get the BMW "vibe" and all the new stuff too. The new BMW's have lost their way as far as what I want to buy and Guzzi's have it with the air cooled bikes. Not so much the warter cooled rev happy new mills, after 13,000 miles I traded off the V100S for the TRAVEL.
Ah, yes-the Guzzi love mixed in with the BMW GS affection. I have a V7 II that I’m slowly modifying into a GS style throwback as well as to pull a sidecar. Just got some leading axle forks to throw on for both higher ground clearance and to lessen the trail for sidecar hauling. Bought an R80/7 recently, and looking to likewise add some more dual sport capability.
interesting comparison. Having ridden a late 80's R100 for a decade and a half, and then switched to a Moto Guzzi CARC (Breva 1100, Sport 1200) model, I would say your observations are quite apt. I will say the handling on my Breva/Sport was flawless off the showroom, where as you have done, the BMW required significant suspension upgrades to reach the same level. The serious degradation of the BMW's electrics prompted the move, but then I spent two years rewiring the Guzzi electrics to assure it would start when you push the button. Living in the USA, it does seem that parts and support were easier to come by on the BMW. Final word is I love my Guzzis, character, sound, looks, handling. Don't think I'll ever sell.
Still riding a 42 year old Honda XL250SB. Only thing that comes anywhere near it to day in terms of value and lightweight is the Voge 300. I would love a Guzzi 350TT though!
Exactly the vid I’ve looked for 🫵 I also have an heavily modified ST which I absolutely love, and am looking at the V85TT as a daily driver to replace my trusty but heavy Triumph Explorer 1200 just because it is the closest modern thing to my ST! If BMW would make a modern version of the R80G/S, it would sell out for years in advance!!
@@falseneutral7890 it’s a really lovely bike to own. I have sold mine though and these are the reasons… I like off-roading and the v85 isn’t really up to anything but easy trails Fuel injection is a wholly, probably easily fixed with a remap I couldn’t get on with any of their seats!
@@bigberthaontour all valid reasons. An unfounded distrust in anything made by Italians on my part plays a role as well, especially when I make my living riding motorcycles. I am 190cm and 115kg there aren’t many bikes that fit me so ergonomics are a decisive factor. The fact that I detest chains limits the choice in bikes somewhat to 🫣 There simply isn’t anything new-ish shaft driven sub 230kg
He tenido la r80 y ahora tengo la v85 del 19 ( primera ed ) y la verdad es que es evocador lo que se siente al montar la guzzi... para un piloto mayor que recuerda como eran las cosas hace 30 años. Si embargo la nostalgia no debe nublar el entendimiento. La guzzi es una moto mucho más manejable y confortable que la r80. De mi BMW recuerdo con pasión la suspensión y la sensación de hierro. El manillar ancho y el bamboleo del motor. También el arranque en los días fríos. De mi guzzi solo me quejo de esto.: De que sea guzzi y que dependa de los de piaggio . Si tienes cerca un buen concesionario y taller... No lo dudes !
Yes Guzzi character is very prominent in older Guzzi's. This is the least Guzzi like in terms of rideability, mechanics and the gearbox is so much smoother than any previous Guzzi due to its Aprilia cousins. The engine is the typical VTwin. Still bags more character than most other brands around. To me the key question, which I know to be true for older Guzzi versions, wil this V85TT still ride in 40 years?
Still running in XYZ years is a loaded question. My 1992 BMW R100RT still goes but everything has been REPLACED that makes it go! Ignition, charging system, bean can, two valve plugs mod, SS valves, you name it and it all died. But aftermarket made it "modern" in the failed area. So is "it" really running after 31 years? No, it isn't. The skeleton is there, though. Better than new, really. I now have the V7 and the V85 TRAVEL. Will the electrionics hold up? Probably not. This isn't a Guzzi motorcycle thing, but every motorcycle thing.
Well done on this video, I enjoyed it so I subscribed .. I have just bought a Mk 4 Le Mans as a retirement bike to tinker with but I am eying off the V85TT as my do it all tool.
Glad you enjoyed it. Yep the V85tt is defo a good all round day to day bike. I have to admit though I'm already selling mine...seat was too uncomfy, fuel injection too annoying and it really wasn't much cop on a proper offroad! I loved the way it felt to ride though so it's a shame it had to go
I had R80GS and a R100GS. Unfortunately, BMW ended production. Now I am a happy owner of a V85TT. It is the real successor of the famous 2 valve BMW's. I like them all!!
I've owned 2 quotas, one 1992 r100gs and just bought the 85tt guzzi. in order of preference for me" 85tt, the quotas, the 92 gs. the gs frame was made of flexible tubing, the rear shaft implded on zero notice at 35,000 miles. wouldnt trade a quota for any 100 series airhead gs.
Ah ha! In my age. That little Gudzi remine me off those old beemers but in more refine reciepe. I owned two Beemer that i loved by their simplicity and reliability. Those old beemer was unkilable and ultra reliable that not even The v85 have why! Those F electronics gizmos. I own a little 85 and love it beside those electronics.
Between his accent and the clanking and background chatter I couldnt hear half of what the guy on the left said. What did he say about the three colors of the bike?
@@NeuKrofta unfortunately when we said “quiet on the set” the staff just told us to p*** off…rather rude I thought, couldn’t they see we were making a very high production movie in their cafe I can never understand northerners either to be fair
Well Guzzi is behind BMW until they BMW rips off Moto Guzzi design. Moto Guzzi mage Griso and Cali Eldorado 1400 BMW then copied them by making RnineT (first gen) and R18 later on. Ps any bike will go off road but some will do it better than others. Tyres are key plus there are many examples of people taking the V85TT to 2 or 3 days enduro events. And You can upgrade the suspension. Get rid of the Euro 5 exhaust nonsense with a nice open system from Mistral with a cat delete and some velocity stack. After a ECU flash You have about 85bhp on the back wheel. I used to own a BMW boxer 1100 now I have a Guzzi 1400. When they were released they came with TC rigid modes cruise control in 2013. BMW had nothing in that segment until the R18. And HD didn't have any electric aids until 2020. People often say that Guzzi are stuck in the past. But thanks to connection with Aprilia their electronics are top notch.
If money was no object I would’ve loved to have kept the Guzzi and really convert it into an enduro ready bike, love the simple characterful engine. Just too much cash to make it into what I wanted, ended up with a 990 instead
@@bigberthaontourWell, the Mikunis also give it a lot more Low-Down Grunt and extrude Noises from the Bike that make getting off the throttle just as addicing as getting on it.
I own a 2021 v85tt and while not perfect it is very nice. You can cruise in comfort with cruise control and with the right tires and judicious use of the clutch get far away from civilization.
Kinda how I feel about it, it’s charm outweighs its imperfections so I’m happy to own. How you getting on with the seat…had to buy the comfort the stock one killed me after 20 minutes!
I have ridden mine on unbelievably gnarly roads without a problem. Sure it's a compromise but the benefits on the street with a 19" front outweigh the disadvantage offroad as far as I am concerned. IMHO.
A 500+ poud bike in a greasy muddy hill will tell you all you need to know. A dirt road is NOT off road, it is still a ROAD. I bought a 2025 TRAVEL and added cast wheel, the lower front fender and removed the bash plate stuff. Yep, it is on roads, always. What sold me wasn't the "ADV" thing, but the comfort. Suspension is awesome as is the seated position that was to fall in love with. I never really bought into the ADV thing but the modfied to a STRADA spec (wife likied the safety nannies on the TRAVEL)TRAVEL sure did. I traded the V100S to get it, that bike was way too SPORT. I found out I don't drive like that.
@@bigberthaontour Great vid! Youse have inspired me to have a go at my own build. Is it Richard-rusty nuts that built the 100gs? I have a 1250gs and smash it to buggery on the slithery lanes of Kent. Must head your way some time!
@@rustynuts82 Ha! Yes, I remember now. I watched the 1st race youse entered, maybe somewhere like Walters arena? I have a good similarly aged (63) pal in Somerset, wi a beemer and we often talk about Wales trips. Would you consider a couple o like mided 'tag alongs' some time?
I have two guttsi's, V7 and a TRAVEL, and the pronunciation doesn't bother me as I get to decide if it does, not someone else. Besides, The bike stays exacty the same no matter who mispronounces the name when they see them. I'll take that and smile.
Thank you for this interesting topic. I agree with what you say.
I bought a R100Gs in 1988. Did a lot of journeys in Europe and Morocco together with my wife. Had to sell that marvellous BMW some years later. In 2022, I bought a V85TT as I thought it was the closest bike to the R100Gs on the market. And it really is! At 65, I am very happy to ride again a simple and good motorbike, and guess what, my wife likes it very much to ride a bike again as a passenger. Because it is worth mentionning that the V85TT is very suitable for long rides for two people (I am French, I hope my English is understandable, merci).
English is very good mate, and thanks for the comments. I was actually thinking of getting either a v85TT or a R100GS, but didn't fancy the hassle of getting an old 2nd hand bike sorted after buying it...already done all that one the r80! Still glad I made the choice, what a lovely bike it is.
The MG is the motorcycle's industries best kept secret.
V85tt is what BMW could be still making and selling (even just as a sideline) if it had not killed the airhead line to focus on ever heavier, larger, higher displacement, more powerful, (uglier ?) liquid cooled ‘flagship’ models that sound and cost more like a small car…. The charm of the V85tt is that it takes the wonderful essence of the 80s BMW and ads to it tubeless spoked wheels, modern brakes, ABS, decent suspension, cruise control etc.
Couldn't agree more. I took one very short test ride around the block and immediately felt at home on the V85TT, feels like a modern day airhead
Couldn’t have said it better myself. You completely get it.
Absolutely! Give me 50hp (but max torque), cut out electronics as much as possible (sad about the EU nanny state), and cut the weight. BMW would own the dual sport world and maybe the mid adventure bike range.
Sorry but the spoked wheels on the V85tt are tube type unfortunately! I wish they’d made them tubeless 😢
@@lenbell1365 I think that the early model years might have had tubes, but later model years have spoked tubeless wheels
I owned a 1992 BMW R100RT (same basic engine as the R80) and yes, the BINGS carburated really well once warm. I've never liked the ful injection off idle on my 2024 V7 STONE or my 2023 V100S. It is just dead feeling. After 18,000 combined miles, I've "adjusted" to it.
I never adjusted to the V100S's aggressive nature, though. I though it would be an even gruntier V7 850 engine but nope, it is a rev happy as hell hyper feeling bike with no real guts out of slow ninety degree corners. The valves will knock unless light throttle or keep the revs above 3,500 RPM! This on a 1000 cc twin. The V7" just pulls and pulls in 1,2 or 3rd gear. It pulls harder in the exact right gear, sure, but never complains a gear too high. Seated position on the V100S was always off for my shape. I never felt unwound on it, too far a lean foreward, even with bar risers. Wind management on ther V100S is good. The bike is what it is as a DESIGN, I just misjudged how I ride and I run the grunt.
The point? I traded the V100S for a 2025 TRAVEL. On the 100 mile test ride it was immediately so comfortable. The KYB suspension was superior and smooth over the Ohlin's semi-active (strange) even set to tour. I did set the TRAVEL up more for roads; cast wheels, removed the bash plate, added the longer inner front fender. The V7 like engine, it isn't the same mill but close, is just great. Same desiel like pull. The TRAVEL is the V7 and the V100S good aspects in one bike. I never thought I'd like an ADV bike (is the travel really an ADV, too heavy!) but the test drive sold me on the chassis. The engine I already kind of knew what to expect.
Now I have the 2024 V7 STONE 850 model TEN and the 2025 850TT TRAVEL. Love them both even if some will say I went backwards. I can always get the "new" stuff after the classic air cooled bikes go away. The V100S is there, not so much the TRAVEL, as it exists. The STELVIO is too much the V100S.
I wanted to buy a smaller BMW boxer twin adventure bike. I had a F850GS but I wanted a shaft drive with a bigger fuel tank and a lower ride height. Since BMW decided to go in the opposite direction with the R1300GS, I bought a V85TT. It is not as refined or smooth as the BMW but it is exactly as you say, a slightly better version of a R80G/ST and goes to 99% of the places I want to go as well.
Great to hear your enjoying it, such a nice bike
I bought a '21 V7 stone a year ago, it has gotten much smoother as the miles have added up. I am approaching 10k miles and thinking about adding a V85tt to the fleet.
I kept my 2024 V7 850 stone model ten at 6,500 miles and going and traded the V100S (way too aggressive and tight riding triangle) for the 2025 TRAVEL. So no problem deciding what to keep. Both are classic's in their truf.
I owned an R80GS for 15 years did everything on it. Since then I have a Guzzi 1100 Breva and a Harley. I recently bought an 85tt travel as it was the nearest thing to the R80 on the market. What a great bike, light nimble, and all day comfortable. I also like the fact that there are not dozens of them everywhere you go..
Yeah they are surprisingly rare…I just rode Wales to Instanbul and didn’t see a single one on the whole journey…GS’s now that’s a different story!
I haven’t got my Guzzi anymore but do remember that excited wave both me and another v85 owner gave when we rode past each other 🤣
Nicely done .
I have a v85TT , But I understandi the airhead bmw GS , Maybe … I get one as a project bike next to my V85tt (I love that bike). Greetings from Holland
V85TT is a great bike. Guzzi has done a huge amount of work to improve their vehicles. Fully modern, light weight and great price. It is not an adventure bike, it is "retro enduro". I disagree, a 40 year oild BMW doesn't hold a candle to the Guzzi. Apples and Oranges
Well done, and a fun review! This will be my last bike (I'm 71) when I purchase one early next year. I'm really looking forward to doing some non-technical dirt riding for the first time in my life, and it's clear this machine is up for it. My local dealer has a '22 Guardia d'Onore edition in stock, but it's too beautiful to ride off-road, so I'll get a color scheme that I don't mind getting dirty instead. Finally, the extra features and luggage that come with the "Travel" edition make it the clear choice for anyone planning longer adventure tours.
Did you buy one?
@@billcope7434 I tested it and didn't like it, so no.
I bought one a week ago.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861
Nicely produced content gentlemen! It's not often you stumble on Quota and Stelvio discussions although there's no denying the popularity of the v85tt in remaking the marque. What with the new factory being completely modernised and set for completion in 2025 and the v100 watercooled range; it'll be interesting times ahead for MG.
My 76 year old mum loves riding pillion on the back of my Stelvio NTX, even after a comedy spill at nil miles an hour! lol (vid on channel)
I keep eyeing up the v85 but I'm enjoying the de-cat burble of the my green coloured 1200 even if it's not as eco"green"-ra ra ra.
Shall sub. Best wishes!
Hehe, poor Quota, we do give it some abuse! Maybe it’s not that bad really.
Cheers for the bike anecdotes, enjoy reading them :-)
You can decat a V85TT
Nice review, agree with a lot of what you say.. I've owned two v85s and ridden loads of old GSs. We use two v85s as camera bikes on our YT channel (Lemon Drizzle Gang). I agree about the "Guzziness" of the v85 being somewhat diluted compared to previous models but given the constraints modern manufacturers have to comply with I think they've done amazingly well to keep most of Guzzis positive attributes with that in mind.
One thing you don't mention (and pretty key to adventure bikes) is fuel consumption and range. On the road the Beemer would be working much harder at any sort of pace, trying to keep the v85 in sight and guzzle fuel doing it. The v85 gets superb mileage (I average 65mpg ridden swiftly but not going mad) and has a massive tank to boot. Non twin plugged airheads are thirsty beasts.
Also I think it's a bit misleading to say they are pretty close on the road, the guzzi handles and brakes way way better (as it should of course) and has another 20 ish bhp, they're not even close imo. I rate the v85 handling above every other Guzzi I've owned (all the CARCs for example) and only a notch behind the new v100.
No getting away from how good the early GSs are at what they do though ;o)
That’s a nice extra bit of info for the comments, agree entirely. Been very impressed with how easy it is to ride the Guzzi long distances and the handling is superb.
We are still finding our feet with motorbike reviews and I think we could’ve done with a few more bull-it points to guide us and make sure we cover key points, the whole thing was just done “on the fly”.
Right off to check out Lemon Drizzle Gang 👍
You won't find anyone over there who knows how to pronounce "Guzzi" either....@@bigberthaontour
@@Janet-vx9qn I do know how to pronounce “gootzee”, I just forget 🤣
@@Janet-vx9qn I do know how to pronounce “gootzee”, I just forget 🤣
I owned the 1992 BMW R100RT and it had a big hinge in the middle. MPG was 43 at best, even dual plugged and SS valves so it would not PING.
I had the V100S for 13,000 miles and it is way too hyper and eager to be relaxing to use. I also have the 2024 V7 STONE model TEN and it is a delightful engine and chassis. The V100S just wants to rev and go, go go. Great for that. I traded for a 2025 TRAVEL and am way happier. Ride the torque and so much smoother and far, far better seated position for, well, TRAVEL, ha!
Handling wise the two Guzzi's, the V7 and TRAVEL blow my 1992 BMW R100RT away. Not even the same century literally.
I had an R80 GS back in the day, great bike ( also a couple of Guzzi's) but it has to be remembered when comparing the apparently narrow differences between old and new air cooled bikes that the old ones didn't have to contend with Euro emissions regulations which would have added bloat and stifled their performance even more.
That is a very good point, and nothing stopping you whipping all that crap off once you've bought it to get it up to its real spec!
.... lighter, simpler, easier, cheaper ....... we had a blast back then on this type of bike and thanks to Moto Guzzi we will have the same blast as older blokes with 40year old riding heart's again!
That last bit of conclusion....spot on (40 years riding and still, and really miss character on bikes).
Great video as always. Enjoyed it
I have an R80 G/S & R100GS Sidecar. Always considered the V85TT as a next (additional) bike. Good to know I haven't been too far off the mark
There’s a certain charm to the TT which is very reminiscent of the airheads, one of the main deciding factors for buying it
Shweinehund(Pig-dog) I love it!! That's what my mom would call my older brothers when they came home after drinking too much. Of course, it was followed by a door slam or two😂. Perhaps my wife will be calling me this when I pull the trigger on the V85tt.
Thank you. As a man who cut his riding teeth on old airheads like the 90S and it's contempories and rode the subsequent generations of boxers, often looking at bikes like the LeMans but put off the Italian build faults, this is a perfect comparison to enjoy.
I have the V85TT Travel as well as a V7III Stone S. I love Guzzi for its simplicity. I wish they’d made a “V8 Scrambler” with off road capable suspension and the V85TT motor.
Or a higher spec off-road edition of the v85TT!
The V85TT has quite a power advantage over the R80 and the ABS is a substantial plus. For me the Guzzi for an easy win. I bought a new airhead R100 gs in the 90s hands down the worst bike I've ever owned out of about 20 bikes. I'm not anti BMW, I still have a 1991 R100RS and it's a fantastic machine.
Having said all that I enjoyed you video. 👍
My 1992 BME R100RT was a strange relationship. Replaced over time were; entire ignition system, entire charging system (guzzi version), timing bean can, fork springs BROKE, so orogressives, would not run on no lead so dual plugs added and SS valves, Teflon lined front brakes (rear drum is useless). The general design was spot-on but the quality of the electronics was awful. It was no German anvil for mne at all but I keot it for 31 years and modified it to work. It worked dine when I sold it but wanted more safety and the like with newere bikes so I bought my 2024 V7 STONE model TEN and 20205 TRAVEL. I get the BMW "vibe" and all the new stuff too. The new BMW's have lost their way as far as what I want to buy and Guzzi's have it with the air cooled bikes. Not so much the warter cooled rev happy new mills, after 13,000 miles I traded off the V100S for the TRAVEL.
After only 3 minutes into the video I though: you deserve more views. So, here's a sub! I really enjoyed your video.
Thanks for the kind words! We’ll keep having fun with it and hopefully making better content as we go…still learning at the moment!
front lamps looks cool !
Ah, yes-the Guzzi love mixed in with the BMW GS affection. I have a V7 II that I’m slowly modifying into a GS style throwback as well as to pull a sidecar. Just got some leading axle forks to throw on for both higher ground clearance and to lessen the trail for sidecar hauling. Bought an R80/7 recently, and looking to likewise add some more dual sport capability.
Great stuff. Rusty Nuts Bikes has done a twin shocker offroader out of a r100rt donor, might be worth looking at his build
Talk about character. I love the look of that BMW!
interesting comparison. Having ridden a late 80's R100 for a decade and a half, and then switched to a Moto Guzzi CARC (Breva 1100, Sport 1200) model, I would say your observations are quite apt. I will say the handling on my Breva/Sport was flawless off the showroom, where as you have done, the BMW required significant suspension upgrades to reach the same level. The serious degradation of the BMW's electrics prompted the move, but then I spent two years rewiring the Guzzi electrics to assure it would start when you push the button. Living in the USA, it does seem that parts and support were easier to come by on the BMW. Final word is I love my Guzzis, character, sound, looks, handling. Don't think I'll ever sell.
I have both the guzzi and a 1981 g/s and agree with your opinions. Both bikes are keepers. Will have to empty the shed to pay for the guzzi😅
Still riding a 42 year old Honda XL250SB. Only thing that comes anywhere near it to day in terms of value and lightweight is the Voge 300. I would love a Guzzi 350TT though!
Love the 35TT and the old NTX too! Very cool machines
Exactly the vid I’ve looked for 🫵 I also have an heavily modified ST which I absolutely love, and am looking at the V85TT as a daily driver to replace my trusty but heavy Triumph Explorer 1200 just because it is the closest modern thing to my ST! If BMW would make a modern version of the R80G/S, it would sell out for years in advance!!
@@falseneutral7890 it’s a really lovely bike to own. I have sold mine though and these are the reasons…
I like off-roading and the v85 isn’t really up to anything but easy trails
Fuel injection is a wholly, probably easily fixed with a remap
I couldn’t get on with any of their seats!
@@bigberthaontour all valid reasons.
An unfounded distrust in anything made by Italians on my part plays a role as well, especially when I make my living riding motorcycles. I am 190cm and 115kg there aren’t many bikes that fit me so ergonomics are a decisive factor. The fact that I detest chains limits the choice in bikes somewhat to 🫣 There simply isn’t anything new-ish shaft driven sub 230kg
He tenido la r80 y ahora tengo la v85 del 19 ( primera ed ) y la verdad es que es evocador lo que se siente al montar la guzzi... para un piloto mayor que recuerda como eran las cosas hace 30 años.
Si embargo la nostalgia no debe nublar el entendimiento. La guzzi es una moto mucho más manejable y confortable que la r80. De mi BMW recuerdo con pasión la suspensión y la sensación de hierro. El manillar ancho y el bamboleo del motor. También el arranque en los días fríos.
De mi guzzi solo me quejo de esto.: De que sea guzzi y que dependa de los de piaggio . Si tienes cerca un buen concesionario y taller... No lo dudes !
Yes Guzzi character is very prominent in older Guzzi's. This is the least Guzzi like in terms of rideability, mechanics and the gearbox is so much smoother than any previous Guzzi due to its Aprilia cousins. The engine is the typical VTwin. Still bags more character than most other brands around.
To me the key question, which I know to be true for older Guzzi versions, wil this V85TT still ride in 40 years?
Still running in XYZ years is a loaded question. My 1992 BMW R100RT still goes but everything has been REPLACED that makes it go! Ignition, charging system, bean can, two valve plugs mod, SS valves, you name it and it all died. But aftermarket made it "modern" in the failed area. So is "it" really running after 31 years? No, it isn't. The skeleton is there, though. Better than new, really.
I now have the V7 and the V85 TRAVEL. Will the electrionics hold up? Probably not. This isn't a Guzzi motorcycle thing, but every motorcycle thing.
Well done on this video, I enjoyed it so I subscribed .. I have just bought a Mk 4 Le Mans as a retirement bike to tinker with but I am eying off the V85TT as my do it all tool.
Glad you enjoyed it. Yep the V85tt is defo a good all round day to day bike. I have to admit though I'm already selling mine...seat was too uncomfy, fuel injection too annoying and it really wasn't much cop on a proper offroad! I loved the way it felt to ride though so it's a shame it had to go
I had R80GS and a R100GS. Unfortunately, BMW ended production. Now I am a happy owner of a V85TT. It is the real successor of the famous 2 valve BMW's. I like them all!!
I Ride BMWR850R from 2001.Love the Bike. Funny video.
I've owned 2 quotas, one 1992 r100gs and just bought the 85tt guzzi. in order of preference for me" 85tt, the quotas, the 92 gs. the gs frame was made of flexible tubing, the rear shaft implded on zero notice at 35,000 miles. wouldnt trade a quota for any 100 series airhead gs.
Ah ha! In my age. That little Gudzi remine me off those old beemers but in more refine reciepe. I owned two Beemer that i loved by their simplicity and reliability. Those old beemer was unkilable and ultra reliable that not even The v85 have why! Those F electronics gizmos. I own a little 85 and love it beside those electronics.
If I had unlimited funds & time I'd work out how to turn it back to points and a set of dellortos!
Lucky you! Nice plans to tranforme it to realable carbs!
gr8 vid well done
Nice review. Thanks.
Between his accent and the clanking and background chatter I couldnt hear half of what the guy on the left said.
What did he say about the three colors of the bike?
@@NeuKrofta unfortunately when we said “quiet on the set” the staff just told us to p*** off…rather rude I thought, couldn’t they see we were making a very high production movie in their cafe
I can never understand northerners either to be fair
Well Guzzi is behind BMW until they BMW rips off Moto Guzzi design. Moto Guzzi mage Griso and Cali Eldorado 1400 BMW then copied them by making RnineT (first gen) and R18 later on.
Ps any bike will go off road but some will do it better than others. Tyres are key plus there are many examples of people taking the V85TT to 2 or 3 days enduro events. And You can upgrade the suspension. Get rid of the Euro 5 exhaust nonsense with a nice open system from Mistral with a cat delete and some velocity stack. After a ECU flash You have about 85bhp on the back wheel. I used to own a BMW boxer 1100 now I have a Guzzi 1400. When they were released they came with TC rigid modes cruise control in 2013. BMW had nothing in that segment until the R18. And HD didn't have any electric aids until 2020. People often say that Guzzi are stuck in the past. But thanks to connection with Aprilia their electronics are top notch.
If money was no object I would’ve loved to have kept the Guzzi and really convert it into an enduro ready bike, love the simple characterful engine. Just too much cash to make it into what I wanted, ended up with a 990 instead
The worst thing on the old BMWs are the Constant Vacuum Carbs. Mikuni VM32s will do a lot of good for throttle response.
Could definitely be a bit more responsive! Some days I do like the lazy CV power delivery though
@@bigberthaontourWell, the Mikunis also give it a lot more Low-Down Grunt and extrude Noises from the Bike that make getting off the throttle just as addicing as getting on it.
Well, my 1992 R100RT 32mm BINGS were fine compared to modern fuel injection that to me has aways felt soggy off idle. Never touched them in 31 years.
Guzzi is the coolest bike, sorry.
No apology required, it’s a nice machine for sure!
I love a bloke shitting on the Quota that can’t even pronounce the brand’s name.
“Gut-si”
There ya go, can I get back to crapping on the Quota now, ta
I own a 2021 v85tt and while not perfect it is very nice. You can cruise in comfort with cruise control and with the right tires and judicious use of the clutch get far away from civilization.
Kinda how I feel about it, it’s charm outweighs its imperfections so I’m happy to own. How you getting on with the seat…had to buy the comfort the stock one killed me after 20 minutes!
Gestapo slap 😂
Beeker, mi mi miiii
The BMW’s coolness wins 🎉
I’d better hang on to it then! 🎉
Guzzi 100% BMW Boring 😴
V85 TT is not an off road bike. Just an off-road style.
19 inch front wheel and 170mm of suspension travel would suggest you are correct
I have ridden mine on unbelievably gnarly roads without a problem. Sure it's a compromise but the benefits on the street with a 19" front outweigh the disadvantage offroad as far as I am concerned. IMHO.
Last year I did a 12,000 kilometers trip in South America with my V85tt and half of which was on dirt roads !
A 500+ poud bike in a greasy muddy hill will tell you all you need to know. A dirt road is NOT off road, it is still a ROAD.
I bought a 2025 TRAVEL and added cast wheel, the lower front fender and removed the bash plate stuff. Yep, it is on roads, always. What sold me wasn't the "ADV" thing, but the comfort. Suspension is awesome as is the seated position that was to fall in love with. I never really bought into the ADV thing but the modfied to a STRADA spec (wife likied the safety nannies on the TRAVEL)TRAVEL sure did. I traded the V100S to get it, that bike was way too SPORT. I found out I don't drive like that.
Beaker!!!
Haha that’s the one!
@@bigberthaontour Great vid! Youse have inspired me to have a go at my own build. Is it Richard-rusty nuts that built the 100gs? I have a 1250gs and smash it to buggery on the slithery lanes of Kent. Must head your way some time!
@@touchingtheclothYes, not the one in this film. Thats Big Bertha, Owens converted ST. My G/S replica is the twin shock imposter!
@@rustynuts82 Ha! Yes, I remember now. I watched the 1st race youse entered, maybe somewhere like Walters arena? I have a good similarly aged (63) pal in Somerset, wi a beemer and we often talk about Wales trips. Would you consider a couple o like mided 'tag alongs' some time?
@@touchingthecloth yes of course, we could arrange a weekend off road meet up. It was at Walters.
Why or why the continued mis-pronunciation of Guzzi, its not a Guzzy its a feckin 'Gutsi'!!!
A combination of lack of education, ignorance, speech impediments and a dedication to annoying people sad enough to care
*why oh why
@@bigberthaontour and sad enough to watch your vid lol! Only this one time mind.......
I have two guttsi's, V7 and a TRAVEL, and the pronunciation doesn't bother me as I get to decide if it does, not someone else. Besides, The bike stays exacty the same no matter who mispronounces the name when they see them. I'll take that and smile.
Ffs...Gasi...repeat after me Goo-tsee
@@antoniocarella8131 “guff-pee” sorry I can’t do it