The TRUTH about SATAN in Job!
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2020
- Hebrew is like English in this respect. English does not tolerate a definite article before a proper personal noun. I'm not 'The Mike', my brother is not 'The Brad', my wife is not 'The Drenna'. Hebrew is the same way, it does not have definite articles before proper personal names. That means that the Satan in Job is not a personal name. This should not be capital 'S' Satan. It should be just a generic adversary. It's not the figure of Genesis 3. All of that is true, but what isn't true is that there's no theology in the Bible about an original rebel. Oh, there is, and that is what Genesis 3 is about. Check it out!
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Would this person who challenged God about Job be considered a "watcher?"
RIP Doctor Heiser. Thank you for your dedication to The Word. You've unlocked the secrets of scriptures to so many of us. Thank You.
RIP to “The Mike”. He and his teachings will be sorely missed.
What happened?
@@sacktheargonian he died of cancer in February
I'm just glad ol boy had the wisdom to document his road map of his thoughts for us in his books and lectures.
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The “Ian” agrees with you
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IKR they are hilarious.
It’s so funny to imagine Michael heiser calling someone cringe
🎈📌🔨📜...I would have liked to hear the HathEist Rant, however...
Totally devastated I found you and I lost you all in one day. As you lay in sleep, waiting for that Grande of resurrection, I will hold your words high upon my mountain. Thank you Dr Heiser for all that you have done.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. No sleep until then but instead rejoicing with Jesus!
@@kelleyaljumaily2816 the first part is true, but she made no mistake in her words. Even Paul says, "then he (Jesus) appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep."
Ruth here, you can learn from others too, Derek Gilbert, l love Tom Horn,
Did you need to correct here? Was it fruitful or helpful? She expressed grief and honor. You responded with nitpicking.
His body is asleep, though the soul never rests. Sometimes our silence honors the heart and the simple act of love - especially in the face of words that differ from what we would choose.@@kelleyaljumaily2816
The resurrection is already started with Jesus... just not all at once.
I understand why “the satan” is a descriptor, meaning “the accuser/adversary” and it does not specify a particular individual: Satan. Got it. What isn’t clear is why it COULD NOT refer to “Satan, the adversary.” Jesus is “the redeemer” (as are other individuals, in different contexts) but we don’t preclude ‘the redeemer’ from being identified as “Jesus, the redeemer”, if the context fits. I am absolutely not a Hebrew linguist, just trying to understand the logic. Love your work, DrH!
Satan (accuser) is a title, not a name. Lucifer is the name that God gave him. In his rebellion, he rejected everything from God and about God, including his own name. He no longer identifies himself by the name Lucifer.
No. God did not give him the name Lucifer. Jerome did when he translated the Hebrew bible into Latin. He should have translated it morning star but he preferred a close Latin name Lucifer.
I love that you take the time and energy to liberate my mind from so many theological shortfalls.
I've been of a certain boastful organization for 30 years and as of the last 6 have been reeducating and strengthening truth in rightly deviding His Word
Thank you so much understanding indeed I am thankful and humbled
God Bless
What was the organization?
“Village atheist” lol, I like that term.
@jay Coleman They're normally called the ''village fool'' either or works.
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Really
Do you think it’s foolish to not believe the things you are unconvinced are true?
@@mickqQ not really. Your premise is true of literally any critical thinker. But that is NOT the premise of atheism. Which ignores realities and truths expounded by the Bible and agods natural revalation
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That is entirely irrelevant
There isn’t the evidence to convince me those claims you are making are true.
So
The only rational position I can take is to withhold belief until such time you can meet your burden of proof.
@@kaizze8777 'realities' lol
I'm very thankful to God for leading me to your study series. I like the way you teach. You explain things very well and its not over my head. Also, I want to pray for you right now. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for using Michael to teach your holy word in a way that is understandable. Lord,you are the divine healer and I ask in Jesus' Holy Name for the cancer that is in Michael's body to be removed and never to return. I believe the prayer of the saints is powerful and there are many that have lifted him up in prayer to you. I believe you havent completed the work in him and he still has many people to touch for your glory and for your kingdom. I'm asking this in Jesus Holy name, Amen.
This is an important story and we should always strive to prove that God was right to put His trust in us. Follow Jesus' teaching and let's fail the Satan!
I look forward to anything you post Dr. Heiser. > I love love love gaining this amazing understanding. AS I reread my Bible I understand so much more. And I completely realize why Chuck Missler taught us to never overlook even the smallest detail. It was put there by Devine design.
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Oh yes you are Mike. You are definitely "The Mike" in my book.😁
The Mike derived from The Archangel - BooM 💥
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English language definitely will tolerate the use of "The Karen". The Satan was probably just the male version that kept asking to speak to the manager when he got to heaven.
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Dr. Heiser was a well known biblical scholar. He’s leaving out tons of context from what he’s talking about. There are a lot of his seminars where he explains this is great detail. He dissects old Greek language, Hebrew- he studied in part at a Hebrew university- the man was quite knowledgeable… a doctor in biblical studies. He knows what he’s talking about.
I know you have earned many degrees and it always impresses me how well you communicate with the common person. Props from a high school graduate.
You and the Bible Project pages are such a breath of fresh air. Many Christians are so negative and fear based. I love your positivity which I believe is a reflection of God. Bless you
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Rev 12:10..."the accuser of our brethren is cast down,..." from Rev 12:9 that old serpent called the Devil and Satan. Just sayin...... the Whole Bible approach works pretty good.
My thought as well.
It goes even deeper than that: when Satan took dominion of the earth from Adam and Eve, the world essentially came under Satan's jurisdiction since it was now his world. And thus, if somebody sinned, Satan would go "Ha! You have sinned! You broke the rules! Now you will suffer the consequences!" Satan's position as god of this world gives him authority to be judging and accusing mankind. Of course, Satan loses this authority and his position as god of this world in Revelation 12.
@@EndTimesHarvest Worst mistake he ever made was making sure a man who had never sinned died...
THAT is the legal reason that Jesus defeated him.
@@johngregory4801 But even before that, Satan's worst mistake was in using a lie in order to take dominion of the world. Satan's entire kingdom is built upon that one lie he told Eve in the Garden. Since Satan used deception to take the world for himself, it must one day be returned to mankind, according to God's unavoidable spiritual laws, which makes sure that everything which was stolen is eventually returned (this ties into the Sabbath and the Jewish Jubilee). God's law ensures that every lie throughout history is eventually exposed, and in doing so, Satan's kingdom will collapse from within. In short, only that which is built upon the foundation of God will stand throughout eternity. Everything not built upon the foundation of God will crumble out of inevitability.
@@EndTimesHarvest The Go Spells ?? Who killed Job's family ? Why did Adam & Eve m make chagowr or a belt used for amour. The bibull is a book of Grimores used for child blood murder opps sacrifice !!! Transubstantiation !!!
I love the rhetoric of "the village atheist." The sort of subconscious association with idiot is great.
The sort of obvious association with strawman is pathetic.
Village idiot, the fool, the devil's advocate...all in play to challenge the narrative to substantiate the truth. For we have all been lied to, and yet have been given the truth. But mysteries remain and faith is required. In the end, only the truth remains. Check every spirit, ask the questions. Seek the answers. Our faith is not blind nor in vain.. " Come, reason with Me" , sayeth The Almighty.
It's a terrible insult and a poor analogy. The village idiot wasn't an idiot, they were an entertainer, a jester, a jokester, they were the class clown of the village, not the glue eater in the corner.
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Perhaps that's more of a student/audience problem than the instructor in this case? Just a thought.
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Your Channel is extremely week & uninformed Michael. Are you upset at your parents for naming you Michael? You are an agent of negativity and lies
Dr.Heiser can you address Lady Wisdom during the first temple?
If you are coming at this from a purely Jewish perspective then okay. However, from a Christian perspective there is this.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, called the DEVIL, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is cast down, which ACCUSED them BEFORE OUR GOD day and night.
Just what I was thinking.
What you say may be true, but Dr. Heiser was discussing what is said in the Hebrew Bible. The Christian Bible disagrees with the Hebrew Bible in many important places.
@@baruchben-david4196 The fact that it has a definite article would distinguish it as a particular satan . Not just any satan.
@@baruchben-david4196 I wouldn't say they disagree, per say, but the New Testament progresses the themes and arcs presented in the Old.
I'd like to read this in hebrew. Sometimes words are translated well
In my 35+ yr walk, never have I heard Job taught that way. It makes so much more sense. Dr. Heiser, have or would you do a video on the book of Job?
Dr. John Walton does. ruclips.net/p/PLnNXzYjQerJh7oQaQfwN-_tIi-Twb2XFP
Joshua Smith Thank you!
@Eric I don't think he is. There are countless scholars expounding on the Old Testament in books.
@Isaac Quesenberry. Why would God need or want to prove Himself to an underling? If you can find “Why God” by Dr. Jim Tarter, it will change your understanding of Job. Basically, God corrects a flaw in Job, his extreme fear, which is the beginning of wisdom but not its fulfillment, to reveal His trustworthy and loving nature. At the end Job finally understands the true nature of God, stops cringing and starts living as a loved child of God.
@@ea-tr1jh the Book of Job is the answer to "why does God allow suffering". The Devil challenged him, as described in the video, its also a challenge to God's right to rule.
Now, that's knowing God in a personal way, and it's just beautiful to watch you discern, NOT interpret what took place in such a well detailed manner. Thanks a lot, I'm sure God also know exactly who you are!
What a powerful perspective. To say there is so much going on behind the scenes is a understatement.
Rest in Peace Dr Heiser and thanks for the work you have done for our Father
I JUST found you and on the same day, found out that you're no longer with us... Rest in peace, great spiritual leader
Thanks bro for the elucidating teaching. God bless
Thank you, Michael! Your contributions to the understanding of these truths for all of us are so important and appreciated. I first discovered you back in the Watcher Website and Roswell meetings days and have enjoyed your insights ever since.
The Satan sounds more like an indicitive character rather than an office. The Author of Job seems to be calling out a particular being rather than stating an office.
You see if it were simply an office why use the definite article? We know from other passages that there are other satans; there is more than one adversary. If the Book of Job were merely pointing out an office wouldn't the author simply use an indefinite article; i.e. "a satan".
Consider Paul's letter to the Thessalonians when he speaks of Christ's return Paul mentions "the archangel". Now archangel is indeed an office; protestants in particular miss that the Septuagint uses "archai angelous" in place of "chief princes" (
These were my thoughts exactly (minus a lot of your greek knowledge). It would seem that using the definite article for the office of satan would imply that there is only one being filling it at a time, as well. If this was referring to some other satan, then it seems more natural to use the indefinite article.
Agreed! It seems that too much enphasis was given to this character to be just a random demon or job (as in position) keeper that points the finger to people. My limited understanding is that this is indeed the devil. If I'm correct, doesn't Satan has access to God? Wouldn't it be strange if some randon demon shows up in front of God to dialogue with him and confront him on his word?
Yeah I was thinking the same thing although I appreciate Dr Michael Heiser, I think he adds allot of eisegesis
@@CarlosAlberto-fz3oj isn't it so with Christ too~ There is only one Christ~ The Way, The Truth, The Life. God Head The Unity of One Being.
@@HEART2HEART-3 There is one satan, THE adversary. Jesus is also a title, meaning the anointed one.There is one anointed one, Jesus and one archangel, the Chief of the angels, Michael, which is a title meaning He who is like God. Meaning Jesus.
Woooow. It just dawned on me that the accuser was actually trying to prove God's assessment of job was wrong. What world would we be living in right now if God was wrong about job. Mind blown!
If God himself said that Job was righteous, it meant that Job would not fail when Satan began to test him.
*Ya, the foundation of God's Word is HIS CHARACTER. The implications are MASSIVE*
Flawed thinking abounds in the church on this topic. Dr Heiser, in his usual succinct and enlightening fashion, expertly presents us with the truth
Amen brother
another way to say something is enlightening is that it is useful or like i say, actionable information. i didnt here anything like that. how has this changed you? it sounds like mind games to me.
No... he provides and OPINION - which NONE of the Jewish leaders "caught" in 4000 years. And his conclusion is what??? that we have an accuser whose name is NOT Satan... SO WHAT???? Be not deceived by babbel put forth as "truth"
the devil is very spooky very subtle he will use this sort of context to make you think that he isn't that bad?? For all the children of Christ out there that are just learning his word this could be complicating for them I understood what I meant but for somebody that is new to the word of God might get very confused? So for all of us out there that know the word that's a great lecture for those who are trying to learn the word not so great keep it simple the Satan the devil👺 (🇺🇸💪🙏)
I think one of the most important parts of this lesson is that the ‘ sons of God ‘ having a meeting with God here were not the earthly sons of Seth as so many people believe
Thanks for the insight Dr. Heiser. We appreciate the clarification. Be Blessed Man of God...Ron (Las Vegas)
It always comes back to the good Shepherd, he's the one we should be following.
However, in English we do use articles to separate commoners from the important. The Satan can be meant as the supreme accuser, the one known as the Accuser. Like in narrative stories, like the Director, the Producer, etc., which is how Job is written. Its more a narrative than a documentary, still real. But the rest of the Doctor's explanation here is great.
So do you believe that it is the same figure from Genesis 3? Because I do. I'm not really convinced of this personal vs. office arguement. Seems to me the entity accusing in Job is more of a person than an office.
@Rodney austin3999, director, producer etc, are not proper nouns...
Dr heiser is correct and you are wrong.
Ask an English teacher if you want!
I have a translation that, when God asked where the Satan has been, the Satan replied, "Roaming and patroling the Earth." Whether it is accurate or not, I like it.
Thanks to all those who are keeping his legacy going. We will always need to glean wisdom and truth from those who go before us❣️❤️🔥🙌🏻👆🏻👏🏻
Thanks for your thoroughness. I LOVE what the BOOK says. And your unbiased clarity is reassuring, informative, encouraging. Cheers mate!
Such short clips Dr. Michael. Its so rare to find truth broken down as you do. I Could never get enough of your teaching. Do you have courses a person can take? I would give all of my possessions away if I could just learn every day from a man of God's book as you. God bless you continually!!!
This is a clip from Unseen Realm 101. A course of The Awakening School of Theology and Ministry
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Oh look, when someone mentions money, Dr Heiser pops up. How about we acknowledge that the Bible is propaganda, and Fomenkos New Chronology proves it. Crap! We should have checked to see if the book is true. How embarrassing but it's never too late to repent from peddling false security.
@@adamrollins9258 how about check out some actual archeological finds in the last 20 years or so, that blatantly prove the accuracy of The set apart book. Not to mention the lost books, oh and how about the 25,000 ancient manuscripts that exactly match up and prove what’s in the Bible. Maybe Do some research of your own. Don’t just believe the discreditors because it matches up with your hatred for a loving creator who Also created YOU. Look into how Darwin himself discredited his own evolutionary beliefs. Or don’t. It’s your soul. I pray for truth to find you. Be blessed in Jesus mighty Saving name. 🙏🏼🕊
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@@adamrollins9258 Hey look! It’s one of those Cringe Atheists!!
Great teaching. Ephesians 6:12 tells us that we battle against 'powers and principalities'. That would then be appropriate theology for this teaching.
I apply this to my life. Lots to think about. Thanks Mike
This is one of your messages that brought me to you, because I had already arrived at this same point independently.
Lesson learned: Never add your opinion when answering to authority. Answer to the point and stop there. We often add our opinion that the one in authority may not be able to ignore.
@MarcusBloomfield gotta follow the shepherd. A staff to guide those sheep willing to follow and a rod to beat those who don't.
@MarcusBloomfield it sounds like you intentionally twisted the message or conclusion that Joseph Justice gave so that you can bring a conclusion that is considered as evil, but you used "rational thinking" by altering the meaning as an excuse to rebel.
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Which Authority (secular, spiritual authority, pastors)? they're not God. They make mistakes. So ur rebuttal or opinion is vital unless ur being pull over speeding😲lol
Perhaps it's about the other side's redemption. One who has evil in his mind, who constantly says "I don't believe", "what if..". Who's constantly jealous on his human brother......believing without asking proof is the most noble but also the most rare of attributes. So God as the father of all, cant but give a chance to all. We've all been Job (tested) and or the "adversary" ( the one who needs proof ....and we all benefited the chances God gave us. The results are called evolution. Anyhow, one needs to be God to have the ultimate perspective. Its about God's plan all of it.
I’m not sure about this character not being satan himself. But the explanation of God’s method of dealing with the challenge to his authority is spot on. I AM cannot be challenged.
Why doesn’t God just make himself known? Why did he create evil in the first place?
krissy I’m not sure He created evil, but He did create free will.
RAD MAN I guess I’m asking a dumb question. If God is the creator of literally everything, then he created the paradigm good/evil. Why even give humans and angels free will if he knew they would sin? He knew that would be the cause of soooo much pain and suffering. And he continues to let it happen. And the Bible is all we have for proof of his existence. A book written by IMPERFECT men, centuries ago. People around the world can’t even agree on how these scriptures are interpreted. So many different understandings and every religion thinks theirs is the correct one. But seems like u have a relationship with God and that’s wonderful. I’m glad it all makes sense to u. Maybe someday I’ll figure things out😣
@@krissykatportal *Sir Isaac Newton observed that what made the Bible stand out from other religious texts is 2 things. 1. Prophecy & 2. Fulfilled Prophecy. He was so fascinated by this the last book published by Newton after his death was 'On the Apocalypse of Daniel.'*
@@krissykatportal No question is dumb. God loves his creation. His love is true love. If you really love someone you do not force them to love you back. You seek their affections but, you allow them to make their own choice as to who they will give their affections to.
Lord give me all the strength so I can prosper and make you smile
This is just so monumental. It’s totally undoing decades of bible and doctrinal interpretation in my life.
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There's a fair bit of reading between the lines here; the book of Job says nothing of satan ""crossing a line". The text is very matter of fact, and just states the dialogue between satan and God. Rather than crossing a line, Satan could just be doing his job, offering a counter-argument (Devil's advocate, if you will).
Speaking of his job, there is no place in Job that tells us what his job is; he was "walking to and fro on the earth" but, once again, to say he was there to see if people were living righteously is reading between the lines, and certainly not something to state as fact.
Always fascinating listening.
thank you!..I love your teachings!
"The Terminator" would be a lot less scary if it went by his actual name Fred Apple 😀
Translated "the Accuser" and at least here understood in the meaning of there are lots of accusers, but only one like the accuser. Similar to Melchisedek, person, title, name. Appreciate your brain and dedication, the Heiser.
The is a lot more singular than no The imo.
Wow. Thank you for explaining this!
Yessss I have thought these things before!!! I’m 100% in agreement!
Wait a minute. The "satan" of Job chapters 1 and 2 is the same "satan" of Matt 4 (Wilderness Temptations) Right?
Dr.Heiser, you really peaked my interest when you mentioned that there are 12-15 ref. in Scripture that state events in our life are recorded, implying there are many other books other than the Book of Life, any resource I could look into for this? Great talk as always!
There are books removed from the bible by the Catholic beast system.
Thanks for the deep, and in hte same time simple to understand, so we can have a clearer picture of the heavenly entities.
Thank you for an accurate and sane explanation.
An interesting point; however, who else but Satan himself would be so foolish as to question God's knowledge or omniscience? No; the Facebook atheist may be correct about the grammar, but the use of "the" before "Satan" does not mean that the one so referred is not Satan, anymore than calling God "the LORD" means "the LORD" doesn't refer to God. See also, "the Batman."
... or referring to the "preacher" when the context implies a specific preacher referred to. The phrase "in the name of" connotes much more than a title used in direct address. So "satan' or adversary as dude teaches implies much more than some tattletale spirit. Even he at the end slips up and identifies Satan because the thrust of the passage so strongly implies that's who we're dealing with it pretty much demands we call out Satan by name. I'm sure there is an old figure of speech (ala metonymy or synecdoche) which explains this type of indirect reference, though I'm not so skilled in the figures to call it by name.
In short, I agree with you.
Yes, the NT calls Satan "The Enemy" or, in the same words Michael said above about the figure in Job, "the Adversary."
You're argument would be accurate if anything in the Hebrew said "the" before LORD, but it doesnt. The Hebrew reads YHVH. Most commonly now pronounced Yahweh/Jehovah. And it never calls him THE Yahweh. The use of the term LORD was a Jewish pharisaical concoction so as not to break 10 commandment number #3. Lord, not being in caps is not the same Hebrew word and is not a name anyways, it's a title just as accuser, so that argument wouldnt work either.
Hope this helps understand his point a little better, not that hes correct or incorrect on any of his theology. But he is correct 100pct on the grammar and it is futile and harmful to not trust it. You'll just be holding your own learning behind.
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I just re-read your post and I had misread your comment. After re-reading I'm in complete agreement with what you've typed. I am leaving my original post for others unless you are offended and will delete this in its entirety. Sorry for the confusion.
He prefers to be called "the Bat" sometimes.
@@garlandjones7709 The Word from which we get the Translation "Lord" or "Kyrie" for the untranslateable YHWH is Hebrew Adon(ai), which does indeed appear with an Article "ha" when applied to God. This is not to say that this is the most common phenomenon, but it is there -- see e.g. הָאָד֖וֹן יְהוָ֥ה (hā-’āḏōwn YHWH) in Isaiah 1:24, 3:1, 10:16,33, 19:4, or הָֽאָדֹ֥ן ׀ יְהוָ֖ה (hā-’āḏōn YHWH) in Exodus 23:17, 34:23. As you can see, articular Adon also appears diretly together with YHWH, so it is this close Proximity between the two Words which led to the Association between the two, and thus why (ha-)Adon became used as a Placeholder for YHWH.
I like Mikes observations and believe he has shown truth, but I am not ready to abandon the idea that the enemy doesn't have a leader.
I'm not convinced he's saying that. He's just challenging our simplistic colloquial notions about him.
@@ravissary79 I have a great respect for him I read Unseen Realm and liked it very much. Its a tricky thing to explain how gods exist in monotheism.
@@vernonbrandt8719 especially because he's trying to strip this all down to what's actually being said in isolation in its context... and that involved a kind of mental iconoclastic purge... tearing down lore, tradition and imagination in favor of "what exactly is being said and to whom in what context."
It's a destructive process and has lead many to abandon faith as it's easier to break down than build back up. But if you're going to authoritatively say "I put the time in, I'm an expert, and it's saying x" it's better to say only what you know for sure and not what you don't.
I think I disagree with him here, but this is also a narrow slice and I can't help but feel it's not a complete thought.
He isn't saying that. He's acknowledging the language others used to say that but pointing out that it isn't a good reason to go that far.
Thank you for all. May you be well.
Very insightful, thanks.
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Enough for what?
There was no challenge - because the Most High knew THE accuser would accuse.
The Most High used ha'satan, like a tool, to teach Job (and those who understand) the value of trusting the Father in Heaven.
What about N!??er$? I am cosmic prosecution for personal slight. It has a chromodynamic element of depravity.
@@dsm5d723 lol what
You're not adding anything to what has already been said. You're only confusing the message and actually completely getting backwards.
Although one of the points is to teach people to trust in God no matter what happens, it's important to not distort ANY part of the bible. By saying Job was being taught actually goes against God's position. God's position was that Job ALREADY knew to trust in God despite anything that would happen to him. You actually put yourself in position of "the satan" by saying Job needed to be taught this lesson.
I'm not trying to have a "gotcha" moment. I am trying to correct you so that you aren't led astray and so that you can reflect on it and apply to any future study you do. Please don't take this as an attack, but rather as a correction made with good intentions for use on the battlefield, your mind.
@@truplaya089 As the Y2K Bug, the performative sacrifice of the internet 20 years ago, indeed the world is whole without the test coming from the adversary. It is deeply wired into the psychology of the Divine Connection to BE as God by judging and punishing. All of the Bible is to me a guide against this temptation; the world gave in, but only b/c it agreed to pin it on me with this tech. Thereby proving itself God. This is not a theoretical or post-death thing.
I promise bloody vengeance to the animals who committed to this, daily and in real life; Heiser helped to realize that the usurpation of the role of the father by society IS why my life is this. My habitat knows a small R rapture is happening before their eyes, so they could watch the internet IRL. One of them must go. I will do THE Job. Who is Azazel again? The Redditation is Azazel, and I will put a rock on it.
The end is very epic :D! Thanks Mike God bless!
Thank you once again for your clear help
After reading this in your books, I've wondered if Satan did not get demoted to the accuser/adversary position after losing his throne guardian role...
I got the challenge part, like why did God allowed "Ha Shatan" to do all those horrible things to Job but i didnt quite get the part about "Ha Shatan" not being a literal personal being.
Does not Ha Shatan mean the Opposer? That is what this being who rebelled against God has become, the Opposer of everything what God stands for, like love, humility, charity, generosity, truth, patience, loyalty, honesty and so on. Yet it is important to understand that he is a real being even if he is also these attributes like pride, hypocrisy, greed, dishonesty, envy and so on.
When I first glimpsed the title, my brain said, 'satan's job'. And truly satan's ' job' is to deceive those who have not received love of God's Truth.
Brilliant you have such a great understanding of the bible 👍
Um, but what about Batman? Sometimes he is called "The Batman," and other times just "Batman." I think "Satan" and "the satan" are the same being. Perhaps sometimes he is referred to by his office, other times by his name, which are the same.
Technically his name is Lucifer. But let me digress, this excerpt seems to be more for Apologetics when it comes to Atheists dissecting and attacking certain things, i.e. "there is no devil" as was pointed out as an argument they make, it is important to accurately represent the faith when it comes to the subject of Apologetics. If you're not into apologetics then this is a non issue and doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
@@user-gy5er6wh2j Lucifer is Latin, meaning "light-bearer". It isn't Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek.
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Yes Lucifer is Latin, but its a translation of the Orignal word Heylel(Hebrew) or in Aramaic Heylele, which is referred to in Isaiah and Ezekiel as the one who Rebels i.e. the origonal or first Satan.
I referred to "Haylel" as "Lucifer" because most people do not know the Hebrew version of his name so, I use the Latin to avoid confusion.
This is unlikely because satan is a general word meaning adversary... it doesn't always describe the angel.
@@user-gy5er6wh2j I thought “Lucifer “ is the Latin interpretation of “The Morning Star” when talking about the king of Tyre? In Ezekiels poem?
I followed your exegesis of the 'sons of God' with excitement but this teaching is hard to swallow.
If the satan of Job is not the "Devil and Satan" of Revelation who is also called 'the accuser of our brethren', and if you say that being an 'accuser' is merely a divine office, then why is the devil's being an accuser mentioned AGAINST him in Revelation right when he is cast down from heaven? Why is there rejoicing in heaven when 'the accuser of our brethren' is cast out?
Also, what about this verse - "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9)
This verse seems to imply that even an archangel such as Michael refused to turn into an 'accuser', even when his accusation wud have been justified against a being such as the devil. It would also seem that Michael by saying "the LORD rebuke thee" understands that it is God alone who is entitled to accuse/ rebuke anyone and the devil in being an 'accuser' has usurped this role of God.
Good question
..read your Bible and let Jesus teach you..
I was expecting something different from you judging by the beginning of your text. A moral argument about how disgusting was God when allowing satan to test Job...
Book of Daniel and others give the answer. Helel, or Lucifer in Latin, was the anointed cherub who covered the throne of God, and was considered the wisest and most beautiful of them all. Then he went insane from pride and jealousy, seeing himself as so great that he believed he was as God, so he tried to usurp God by challenging Him with an army of his own angels whom he'd convinced of his beliefs. Helel and all his fallen angels were cast out, and Helel took the form of the serpent to decive Eve (and we all know how that went). However, Helel's job is not finished. He is prince and ruler of this world, so he is permitted to reenter Heaven to meet with the Most High's courts as a wittness to accuse mankind. The vision of his defeat by the hand of Michael is a prophecy of future events. Helel will be banished from the courts and banned from ever reentering Heaven again, and thus will begin Daniel's 70th week.
So it is very likely that the individual in Job is still the same entity.
Thank you for your sincere approach as this really provokes my thoughts and it really makes more sense to me after you explain the situation. So is the devil's title is "The Satan Office"? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
For anyone reading this, mind you this - he is being specific about the old testament, which is as far as the Hebrew Bible goes, the New Testament is all about God fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament. I pray that we continually dive deep into God's word.
So this "Satan" challenging God, about Job, always reminds me Charlie Daniels singing "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" when Johnny says, "I'll take that bet and you're gonna regret 'cause I'm the best there's ever been...."
Except 'The Donald' - lol
Trump is enemy of Satan
This breakdown is next level.
We know of this also - im Muslim we call him Shaytan but we know that's not his name- we know it as a Chair that has specific characteristics and powers (anyone can sit in this chair)
I love listening thank you
Dr. Heiser lost me when he said "...that's his job." LOL. He makes it sound like 'the' Satan is an employee. Only one who sought the very office of God Himself would dare speak to the Most High in such a manner. The personality in the book of Job is not some off the wall ne'er do well who just happened to show up at the meeting. Yes, he is The Accuser, who is Satan....the Satan...or whatever else you wish to call him. Festus was wrong about Paul in Acts 26:24, but the words are quite accurate when laid at the feet of Dr. Heiser. "Much learning has made you insane." It would be wise for Dr. Heiser to return to the simplicity that is in Christ, before he goes so deep there will be no rescuing him.
Are you saying, then, the Hebrew in the Logos software is spelling 'hasatan' incorrectly? (If so, the Logos people need to know.) That spelling and the grammatical indefinite-article rule is what Heiser is working from.
That being said, Heiser's conclusion leaves open the 'satan' being old Lucifer himself, though yes, the text seems to be unclear on its face.
I know we have all interpreted 'satan' as being *the* Devil, but what element is Heiser missing from here he needs to get ahold of other than 'tradition'?
I agree about the simplicity of Christ... Paul preached 1 Gospel... people get to deep in knowledge or love of prophicy to the extent they forget the Great commission.
@@nobunkbibleprophecy4273 Thanks for the reply. What I am saying is that it doesn't matter in the big scheme of the story or in the entire Biblical narrative of redemption. Evil challenged and evil lost in the end. In fact, evil...as it turned out and will turn out...never had a chance of victory. Heiser is dangerous to the lesser learned in that he focuses on things that are not fundamental to the faith, which then can be used by 'the' Satan to sow doubt as to the authenticity of scripture as a whole. In reality, I do not think Heiser believes in the Bible as THE word of God, and is desperately trying to convince himself, as well as others (misery loves company) that the veracity of scripture is suspect. He should be avoided.
@Robert Coward, I would encourage you to preface your statement with "In my opinion."
Do you celebrate Christmas? Not one single scripture in the dozen or so Bibles that I have ever read instructs people celebrate the birth of the Christ. The oldest Bible is 400 years old.
Christmas is pagan whether people want to admit it or not. Research it. Truth or man-made traditions?
If you've had a vaccine you have participated in a blood ceremony. Vaccines contain Senomyx which is aborted fetal tissue.
Never forget that's while one is pointing their finger at an individual, three of your own are pointing back at you. Remove the plank from your own eye.
@@robertcoward9923 I agree with u. Much of the Bible has been correctly understood but even so, it seems that Heiser wants to indulge in re-interpretating what is already known, simply because he thinks he will discover some other meaning to what we have understood all along. It would have been fine if his different understanding was edifying spiritually but saying that the Accuser is just doing his divine duty gives the appearance of removing the devil from his evil and makes God look like someone who enjoys indulging Satan's accusations.
"The Prosecutor" could be a good alt. translation for "the Accuser", don't you think?
Yes..
The one-who-tests-the-inner-motives-of-the-heart.
I don't get that feeling when I read the Bible, because a prosecutor title would make it as a necessary evil or an assignment, but the way that the Devil behaves is evil thus having no place in heaven.
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"Feelings" won't trump "Scholarship".
@@stevenfrasier5718 you're right but what I meant by feelings earlier is a sum total conclusion of my studies so far and a feeling that resulted as such. Sometimes we say feelings when we mean information aquired at least I do. I'll try to be more specific.
Wow!! How awesome is that!! I am in awe of our Father! He is! He is!
This is awesome, I have read this so many times and not caught this angle of Santa's job role inside of the heavenly realm and on the earthly realm.
Did you really mean "Santa's job role" ?
@@Mdebacle"The Santa"
I think we know who The Accuser is. He is still accusing God's children to this day. But, as we read in Revelation, he will be cast down and not be able to accuse anyone ever again.
@José Riquelme That's not what the Bible claims in Revelation. Revelation was written about the future events as laid out in the first chapter.
@José Riquelme Revelation 1:1 "The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
I too believe he was cast out after Jesus ascended to heaven. But I do not believe it was immediate. I believe, like the scriptures say, there was a war in heaven and angels literally fought.
The question then needs to be asked, is that war over? And if it is when was the great dragon cast out?
I have a theory. In history there is a year that is called, “The worst year in history” and “The year of the never ending winter”. And no, 2020 is close to being the worse year in history lol.
Something happened either in 535 or the beginning of 536 that caused basically what looked like a nuclear winter ❄️ for a whole year all over the world.
Scientists still don’t know what happened, they have a lot of guesses, from volcanic activity to meteors. But they really have no clue.
What they do know from old manuscripts from around the world is that the sun was blocked out for around a year by a very thick haze, crops died, there was starvation and plagues all around the world and untold millions died.
I believe this is the time the great dragon was cast out.
Shortly after this, in 570AD, Muhammad was born.
After the great dragon was cast out, in most translations of the Bible, it says he stood on the sand of the sea and a great beast rose up out of the sea.
The sea represents people, the beast represents a kingdom. And it had “a blasphemous name” on its heads.
I contend that this kingdom that the dragon gave his power to was Islam.
And the head that was wounded by the sword, the Ottoman Empire.
The president of Turkey wants to resurrect the Ottoman Empire and become the new sultan.
If this happens this will be the head of the beast that was healed.
So, the war has happened and satan has been here doing his work and we are close to the end of the age.
@José Riquelme yes biblically you are correct. The 4 falls of Satan are mentioned and are as follows
- his role as cherub to adversary
- him losing access to heaven and sent to earth
-him being chained for 1,000 years in the bottomless pit
-bottomless pit to lake of fire 🔥
@@irinbon6207 I suggest you study eschatological end times. Some awesome theology to learn, why the disciples thought he was returning soon. And what needed to happen before the son of man would return.
Does that mean that in the many places where God or Lord is mention and is prefaced by the Hebrew word "ha" we are talking about an office, not the name of God?
God or Lord is not prefixed with "ha" (the letter hey). It most often is the opposite, despite when it says "The Lord" in English. The name, in Hebrew, spelled, yod-hey-vav-hey (often called the tetragrammaton, Strongs H3068), pronounced by some Yahweh or Yahuah, is the name of the one true God of the Bible. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The English translations downgrade His actual name to a generic title or "job description" God or Lord. His name is not "THE LORD", contrary to English versions of Jeremiah 16:21.
In some places, the word God is substituted for the Hebrew word elohim (Strongs H430). This word has multifaceted uses. It can refer to Yahweh, or to "little g gods". It seems to be more of a description of a particular office like the word god, instead of a substitution for an actual name.
I hope this explanation blesses you with understanding and encourages you to learn more about who the adversary is (are) versus who Yahweh is. God does have an actual name you can call upon and it is a name worthy of praise.
@@karenc7476 These guys have much zeal, but not much knowledge. :)
This is so helpful indeed
MORE CONTEXT- sharing your knowledge with the world! Many thanks!!!!
Excellent teaching!!!
Michael Heiser is becoming popular I see. Because now he is “controversial”
Get that apologetics cash! Jingle those ears and they jingle their wallets.
Satan in the job book is the same Satan that takes the role of “the satan” to use job to challenge his ego, to push him to find his calling to god, to strengthen his spirit and to challenge his comfort zone.
I’m new to your RUclips channel. Where’s the link for more info and support.
How would I be able to get to watch the rest of the class?
Why wouldi God feel the need to prove himself to one of his lower creations?
The Mike will never admit it but ET's explains this
Well...from what Mike teaches. The lesser “gods” and Elohim, God also created with free will. And Mike explained that it wasn’t just proving Himself to this one but all the others witnessing as well.
@Vinny M: Well, what does the Bible say about that?
@Vinny M Well what do you mean sacrificed? God is the creator of life he can recreate and take them at will
Revelation 15:3-4
[3]And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
[4]Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
The answer to that lies in a worship based in free will, rather than force. A satanic being is one that is selfishly uncaring of what others think. Even among men we call such people dictators, psychopaths, sociopaths. And we despise them. How much worse an all-powerful God with the same deficiency of character? We worship God not simply because He is all-powerful, but because He is all-loving, as exemplified by His caring enough about us to prove that He, and His judgements can be trusted. Only in this way could we ever believe He has our best interests at heart, because, unlike Him, we are NOT all-knowing. That He would even bother to care makes Him, indeed, THE GOD of gods.
Elohim (God) Created Lucifer ( Cherubim) Elohim makes Lucifer the highest ranking Angel, makes him the most beautiful, gives him great power and gives him one of the highest positions he can give a angel Covering Cherubim. Elohim gives Job a (human) everything wealth, Land, Children, wife. The Human gets striped of all his worldly possessions but at the end Job never loses his love for Elohim. Satan was giving everything in the Universe and he rebelled against Elohim. After a read this story many times I came to the same conclusion as everyone else comes to. When the Holy Spirit reveals something to you thats when he wants you to see what’s behind the actual word the were written
i never read job like that before....this has been an eye opening 8 minutes
Dear Dr. Heiser this is maybe a bit personal question but I was wondering that with all your life long research, study and academic understanding of the word of God, has it brought you closer to God in spirit? If so, I'm very happy for you. You in your work do appear to have respect for the Biblical integrity, which I also respect. Sometimes translations can give a different point of view to a conclusion such as the topic of a firmament compared to an expanse. Thank you for your work and much love.
I believe Satan is an improper name much like "I Am" or "Alpha and Omega". Its a description, not a proper name like Sara, Mark, etc. I know I am probably reiterating what has been said in the video. Good job. I agree with your points.
What exactly WAS his point... that we have an accuser whose name is NOT Satan -- SO WHAT??? How does that advance the gospel for help the believer understand that we HAVE an accuser and we need to be aware and cling to God and His way????
Heiser points out in other videos that the term "ha satan" (adversary / accuser) began to be used in the Second Temple period (well after Job was written) as a description for that unnamed first rebel from Genesis 3, Isaiah 14, and Ezekiel 23 in exactly the way you are describing. It seems that prior to that "ha satan" was distinct from the serpent / fallen cherubim (the figure we typically think of as Satan), and it wasn't until later that someone went "Well, that original fallen being would have been an adversary, wouldn't he? Let's use the title 'Satan' for him." Same goes for "Devil" (greek "Diabolos" - literally "slanderer") and the "Satan" in the NT (greek "Satanus" is just taken straight from the Hebrew). All of these - including things like "Lucifer" (morning star), the dragon, and the serpent - are all just titles. They are, like you said, improper names. There is a consistent theme of some kind of cosmic rebel, but this being is never given the "dignity" of a proper name.
The main point is just that all of these developments happened waaaay after Job could have been written, so it is unlikely that the divine council meeting at the beginning of Job is referencing any of that. The rebel from Eden was cast out of the council well before the story took place, so it is very unlikely they are the same being.
Looks like we're just pawns (toys) or playthings in a cosmic chess game.
Could we be the Prize?
@The Mask maybe we should take our Creator's instruction & Repent & Believe.
Not entirely true. Job actually was a sinner in the sense as of not doing everything correctly. God knew this and wanted Job to increase his understanding and so change. Hence God asked Satan if he knew of Job as to make Satan do the task needed to get Job to change. Because the end result was this: Job 42:5-6 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes. Job spoke truth about God that it wasn't because of any evil stuff Job had done that he was suffering. It was for 1) increase his knowledge in doing even more good. Because we read: [Job 42:15b] after Job repented, he also gave his daughters an inheritance, just as his sons. 2) Get Jobs friends to learn more about God and so humble themselves. It was never a gamble where God needed to prove Himself for an angel.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he does not exist.
God bless Mike Heiser!
When satan is a title of a being then this satan mentioned can still be talking about that rebel from Genesis, or not? And in time a title can become a personal name: like we have Saint Nikolaas became Sinterklaas --> Santa Claes....
It's not like satan gave himself this name, his name is supposed to be descriptive is it not?
So yes, I think it can be used as a name and description of said being. You have many deceivers but he is THE deceiver/accuser, the original.
If satan is the title of an office, aka "the accuser" there must be a name of the person who holds that office. Personally I believe that using the adjective before the word satan is giving us the name Satan. Compare with John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Before each time we read "Word" there is the adjective "the" or "ho" in the Greek, letting us know that the Word was the name, not just the office. The first mention of "God" in this verse has no "the" preceding it, and yet it does have the Greek word "ho." So we see this adjective being used to tell us God is a name. The second time "God" is used the Greek word "ho" is absent, yet the grammar makes it clear that this is The God. (verse 3 tells us He is the creator as well). I find it difficult to say that using the adjective before the word does little more than state an office. I likewise have difficult with his original name being Lucifer. That's mentioned only in Isaiah 14:12 and has to do with the fall of Babylon. Read the whole of chapter 14.
Rebellio Cross, I was thinking the same thing. No name is given to the serpent so I don't see how putting "the" in front of satan keeps them from being the same being.
The serpent
The devil
The satan
The dragon
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Extrapolation.
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Even God Himself, at times, is "haw shawtawn."
It simply means "to be in opposition". Not a name.
An Accuser is one who opposes the one accused.
God was often in opposition to the idolatry of man.
~Steven of Montreal
Lol that thumbnail for this video does dr heiser lurk /pol/?!
Idk the "m'lady" fedora-tipper meme is so prevalent, it's grown well-beyond the inside baseball of a Malaysian underwater basketweaving forum.
If he starts complaining about janies and shills, then you'll know for sure. Also I might die laughing in such a scenario.
GnomeOfArgentina always laughed hard at all the fake names for 4chan that always pop up.
I lurk pol, but Damm I can't handle the hate and the filth
@@ml-ws5bz Yeah I use it for news coverage that isn't slanted, but it does take a keen eye and thick skin to suss out truth from all the madness and degeneracy. I wouldn't recommend it for regular people.
It’s pretty cool that all these biblical scholars have been absolutely completely wrong for the last 2000 years and you’re right. Very cool. How does it feel to know that you figured out something none of these tens of thousands of other men and women have figured out?
I still think it’s referring to the Devil. You can say “the adversary” and still be referring to a specific entity. It’s like saying “that guy is a jerk”. You didn’t specifically say “Tom” but you’re referring to a specific person.