Ep. 121 | All Things Shotgun Chokes
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- By now it’s no secret we love shotguns around here at Vortex, so we’re going to keep the shotgun conversations rolling with this choke-specific full-lengther with Ryan Muckenhirn. If you’ve ever wondered what types of shotgun chokes are available, what they all do, and when you would want to use one over another, this is the podcast for you. Everything from the rare “Spreader choke” to full-on turkey chokes, fixed chokes, rifled chokes and shooting slugs out of a shotgun with a choke in it. Check it out and let us know what your go-to choke is!
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I've seen rifled slugs "spinning" on high -speed camera footage from more than one source.
It's only about one turn in 8- 12 feet, but that translates to hundreds of RPM.
You can find it on RUclips pretty easily if you care to.
I love shotguns in general. So many things you can do with one..
Years ago in Alaska, I used my new Mossberg 835 with a turkey choke, on a ruffed grouse…
At about 30 feet away.
Suffice to say, not much was salvageable.
I learned about chokes that day.
Spreader seems like a self defense choke short range, big spread, hard to miss.
can’t tell you how much i love the content you guys put out, under recognised channel. although id love to see close up photos of the things being talked about for reference
Objective test...lol. I learnt a lot from this video. Thank you
For sure my most used choke is a full, stays in my gun almost year around, doves, squirrels, buckshot to if I'm not taking the rifle to the stand, turkey's I will thrown in the X-full, and steel I'll run the modified, but Full is my go to
47:00 JHFC 🤦♂... you're killing me here Smalls... Unless the ports are directional on the barrel or choke, to address muzzle rise or recoil, then they are designed to "grab" the wad... Even the directional ones for rise or recoil grab the wad...
This is done to varying degrees based on how they are cut, the load being fired, and the wad in that load. The choke ports cut "the wrong direction" are in the perfect direction to more aggressively grab the wad... Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on the load you're shooting and what your end goal is. For my turkey loads, it helps insure that pellets don't get left in the wad.
17:27 you can absolutely ruin a choke or barrel by shooting slugs through a choke tighter than the slug diameter without "banana peeling" your barrel. If you look at a lot of the old fixed chokes, the choke is ruined because some bubba that didn't know any better shot slugs through it. The worst part is they usually don't deform uniformly. So it not just "oh well, it's a larger diameter now" it's now an oblong choke/muzzle. There is a line you can walk going tighter than the slug diameter and be ok, but there's still a risk because it's not obvious until it's too late.
Yes ceramic makes a good bearing does very well with high heat, in certain and specific applications, steel still reigns king as far as price and ease of manufacturing or being able to find an already existing bearing available commercially to make your unit easier to service and get parts for, think wheel bearings on trailers.
you kinda glossed over the rifled chokes. does velocity matter for a rifled choke with sabot slugs like the hornady sst slugs at 2000 fps?
Excellent discussion. I was about to comment “what about ported chokes” and then Ryan slipped it in at the very end.
Has he done that testing?
I bought a Carlson’s “ported sporting clays” choke for skeet and was wondering if it’s worth it. Or is it possible that some shot could nick the edge of a port hole and throw it off course slightly?
shot nicking the ports doesn't have any appreciable effect. If you're shooting ported chokes, usually it's best to stick to loads with a shot-cup. This prevents any interaction between the shot and the ports. The ports "grab" the wad slowing it down, which aids the shot in leaving the cup. I can also definitively tell you that Carlson's flush chokes give more consistent shot to shot patterns than mossberg factory flush chokes. Not sure if that carries over to the ported stuff or not, but unless you're trying out for the Olympic skeet/trap team, then a ported Carlson's will work just fine.
Full choke for turkey
They make full ceramic ball bearings for drag cars.
Something I don't see anyone talking about is the difference between chokes from different manufacturers, but the same choke constriction. For example, what is the difference between a mod choke from carlson's to a oem mossberg accu choke?
Answer #1 - There can be differences in the inherent bore size . Nominal bore size for 12ga is .729 , but different mfgs have theories about optimal bore dia ( cue seperate lengthy debates about " Overbore and Backboring " ). .725 - .735 is range for " normal " , and some mfg promoting the Overbore approach are up to .745 .
So a choke tube with final dia of say .725 would be a Skeet from a .729 , Improved Cylinder from a slight overbore , a Spreader from a tight European bore , and a Modified from a generous overbore .
Answer #2 - OEM choke tubes are usually either manufactured to lowest production cost , or subcontracted to low bidder . A premium aftermarket choke will have greater attention to precise dimensions , and carefully polished for smoothness . How much pattern improvement ? Depends on how bad the oem suck .
Also a flush mounted choke tube has a finite amount of space to do several functions . A tube that is extended length , even an inch- ish is possible for more gradual constriction and/ or longer parallel section , both of which reduce pellet deformation and instability , with will contribute to more even and more consistent patterns . In theory , but usually in practice ( unless the low bidder oem accidentally came out just right , with minimal roughness or run out .)
Can you/should you shoot a rifled slug out of a rifled barrel? I have a Winchester SXP with a smooth bore and a rifled barrel. I have slugs for rifled barrels, but was just wondering about the "rifled slugs that are more designed for smooth bore barrels.
You can shoot foster slug in a rifled barrel I d0 in my rem.870
I've spent time patterning, and my gun pretty much stays on modified.
Me to between modified and improved modified
6ft distance from each other. Pah
If you can't get slugs to shoot well out of a smooth bore, you're probably using the wrong slugs or the load just pure straight sucks... There are such things as slugs designed for smooth bore, ones designed for rifled chokes, and ones designed for full rifling. The wrong one in the wrong application isn't going to blow your gun up, but your precision is going to be pure crap.
look at the grooves or just... that shit is printed on the choke tube....." on either side of that" then he says modified. why does he look down the tube at 8:10 and talk about tick marks? they are on the outside of the choke tube not the inside! guh everything is wrong in this video. no hate but this is a straight up lying video its a comedy. check ur shotgun u will understand.
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Not all choke tubes have words engraved on them, so tick marks are the only way to know what type of choke it is.
@@sparky_-mf2cs yeah, the "tick mark" system are lines or dots on the crown if the choke, usually 1 to 5 marks. It allows you to ID the choke size in the gun without removing the choke. The marks correspond to the traditional choke names(full, improved modified, modified, improved cylinder, and cylinder). Those names and the tick marks are both antiquated systems that no one uses, if they actually know what they're talking with regard to chokes. The reason is the names and tick marks are not standardized and easily vary from gun to gun, manufacturer to manufacturer, and even over time in the same gun or manufacturer. 99.9% of people who actually know what they're talking about refer to the choke size such as "a 0.680" choke" or "a 0.710" choke", this refers to the tightest inside diameter of the choke, in inches. Way more clear and useful now-days.