Why MK can’t sabotage Parliament, CR has made a “credibility comeback”
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Electoral system expert Dr. Michael Louis, who is also the founder of The Independent Candidates Association, tells BizNews viewers why a constitutional provision will prevent former President Jacob Zuma’s MK party from sabotaging Parliament. “I think that any boycott plans and things definitely won't work.” He also describes how President Cyril Ramaphosa has won “so much credibility within his last days of this political ambit”. Dr Louis further explains the workings of a Government of National Unity which he hails as “definitely the preferred option”. He also simplifies the complicated process of how the demarcation of seats for the National Assembly gets allocated. He lists the challenges faced by independent candidates in the last election; says the Electoral Act is not constitutional; vows that there will be four ballots in the next election - and that South Africal will have a constituency-based system to “take our power back and nominate our leaders to be more accountable”. - Chris Steyn
Video production by Frances Hamman
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South Africa owes huge gratitude to Michael Louis for his incredible efforts
Most informative and a knowledgeable specialist. This should give all South Africans hope - something they all sorely need at this stage.
This is an interview that should have happened prior to voting day.
This is SA where we do things backwards
Agreed! People would then not just know that their vote counted, but exactly how it counted.
Yeah true timing was going to assist
Citizens should have to pass a basic test on understanding the electoral system in order to qualify to vote IMHO :)
@@GarethFrow No, they should at least have a matric certificate
I love the prof but he is assuming everyone will play by the rules. Real democracy is accepting a loss, not a good track record in Africa.
Africa also has a good track record, of Western destabilization, so that it can exploit its resources.
There is a reason why any functional, sovereign non-Western country, is usually always totalitarian in nature, because this is usually the only way, for it to remain sovereign from Western hands, e.g. Russia, China, Singapore, Iran, Bahrain, UAE, I can go on and on. Any functional rich country that is not totalitarian, is usually under the thumb of the west, E.g. Japan, South Korea, etc. So if you really cared about Africa, you would call out people with your DNA first.
Yes, that is the truth.
I agree with you. Ideology, hate, distrust, and so forth, will play a much bigger role in the aftermath of this election than academic reasoning, rules, and pure logic.
,@@liveinwisdom3610Russia and China have autocratic government
Western countries will also tell ppl, that their security is at present at an all time low, thanks to millions of 'immigrants' flooding their borders -young able bodied ppl who did not stand up for or defend their countries of birth.
Look no further than the volatile situations in France + Britain.
Regional ballot is pointless. How many independents made it to parliament? 0. And it reduces proportionality nationally.
The constitution makes it very difficult for independents to be bought out. No more walking across the floor for a better deal.Imagine an independent creating a majority by one or a bunch of them getting together for a better payday. A half a dozen seats for a couple of million for billions. The guys that put the constitution together were pretty sharp. At regional level it could make a majority but parliament would have oversight.This is one of the reasons Ole zoom zoom wants to change the constitution. Just saying .
For the first time in 30 years DA is happy in South Africa with the assistance of IFP, ANC 😮 Cry the beloved country 😭 😭 😭 😭
Imagine having Jacob Zuma trying to explain the voting allocation.
So many Africans would listen to him
Was thinking the same thing 😂😂
😂😂😂Domkop that one
CR must now put on his big boy pants.
An outstanding interview Chris. You excelled! Michael Louis is a very special person. So lovely to see him trying so hard to bring about a fair result for independents. He had so many good points. I learnt so much.
Michael is a good ambassador for SA. In his earlier days he was a champion for the ACDP, the leader of the Western Cape Province. He resigned when the party could not apply strict discipline to those that broke the party line. It was so sad. A man of the utmost integrity.
I long to see him make a come back to politics. He is a true statesman. We need more leaders like him for SA!
Thank you to Dr Michael Louis and his team for the work you've done and continue to do.
The 350 seats argument just demonstrates how bad life is if you cant read with comprehension…
That could easily be a diversion. In my view the real issue going forward is that these intellectuals think that it's a joke to dismiss 100s and 100s of people's votes.
That cannot be correct, if they constitute it, their parliament will be viewed as illegitimate by millions of people. You must talk to people on the ground, many don't recognise the current results, justifiably so.
I think Zuma is still trying to count how many seats 😅
Wait until the court rules against your wish
@@johnlouw6449do you ask yourself how it got to be that way with him? I don't think this is the time to make such comments.🙄🙄
@@glenngwenya1084Watch the video. Someone in the mk can't count. Parliament will sit.His opinion and lack of evidence don't count. In fact he can't subtract. I'm not interested in his mental state and how he arrived somewhere.
And while we wait uBaba is plotting.....
From this explanation alone, aggrieved parties are allowed an answer from the IEC because there was no voter education. The voting public didn't know what to do with the Regional vote.
"CR has made a credibility comeback" pity he didnt see the need for this, earlier....
😂😂😂😂 "credibility" and "Ramaphosa" are not synonyms by any stretch of the imagination. He's a coward.
The DA should remember that "If you lie down with dogs you will get up with fleas." These discussions seem to sweep aside the crooks and clowns in the ANC, EFF and MK. Time to pass the rulership and the resources of the Provinces to those who voted for them in that province.
true ,but false if you treat your dogs to flea treatment on a regular basis.
The problem is the lack of policing and defence force and reliability to enforce everything he has said if the ZUMA/MK dictatorship faction cause civil unrest and violence.
BS they have 58 members of parliament what is wrong with you 2
We don't have police and military. Zuma could go on and establish rebel military, he'll beat SANDF easily and after that he'll implement dictatorship like Mobutu and or Mugabe
@@bonganinsele7703 They are used to negating people's rights for 100s of years, they are just continuing where their fathers Jan Van Reebeck and Cecil John Rhodes stopped.
What is a dictator? Maybe you can help me understand the word dictator better
Funny it's no longer eff that is disturbilizing the parliament. JZ is smart we love him he's not captured finish and klaar
Why don't they ask Mr Panyasa Lesufi he seems to have a solution for difficult situations like this.
Stil hiding...
If they understood what democracy is then there should be no need for a forced dialogue and engage with politicians whose only intent is to continue looting. That's the reason why there is so much disagreement within the ANC and their voters about a DA led coalition..
Heads in the feeding troughs.
Free dom.
That's NOT the reason, black South Africa knows EXACTLY how it's treated the citizens of the country... It knows EXACTLY that 15% cannot and should NEVER have to inact socialism for them. They know that there government is holding 80% of all land EVERYWHERE in the SADC region and they 100% know knew and supported Russia China and BRICS looting the country dry! They did all this knowingly and the fo not even regret it, now the Zulus want KZN???? You the hell do you think armed the Zulu in apartheid against MK Zimbabwe? Must 85% of the nation look to less than 10% of it for handouts? The Bantu and Nguni days of fing everyones life up is over, it's only the DA that is stopping progress as Africa doesn't and can never progress whilst blaming others for their own short comings. They owe South Africa trillions and centuries worth of reparations, noone feels sorry for any African after the last 40 years of black communist apartheid rule it's glaringly onvious that they loved apartheid just hated the fact that they could not do we others can! If they didn't hate apartheid they would of dropped it after John Vorster in the 70s and not add another 113 new laws to it! They can a must all f off, they have no way of fixing anything nor the inclination to ever change... Instead of hating whites they should blame Islamic Africa but they remain to racist and stuck in victimhood. Still blaming western powers but refusing to accept how terribly obvious it is that 300 years was not enough for the Bantu Zulu to be civilized. Another 300 won't change them
When you don't have 57 individuals to put forward for MP's, I would also deflect by boycott process
Try explaining that to Jacob.
The Zulu and BOER are one okays
MK is one time , one vote party , next election they will be gone
I doubt it will be very bigger party without any anc
The independent candidates are therefore penalised. That is not right. What about those that voted for an independent, not from their own region, or province. This is stupid.
It's to stop influence.
Dr Louis pls advise the DA timeously all the time of the devious anc activities of the upper class!
Because he wants another five years in charge to increase his personal wealth👌👌💯💯😭😭
Good explanation, but I disagree entirely with the guest when he says that "Ramaphosa has regained his credibility just before the elections..."
Ramaphosa has proven over the past 6 years that he is a useless, lame duck president. 👎🏼
Why don't the different party leaders go for vote of no confidence against him. This country will never see any change 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
He would never rock the boat
The truth is that Boers and Zulus have same mentality but different colors and their behavior is the same like one mother
you are a tribalist. O kotse...
What you just commented is absolutely nonsensical bullshit 😒 damad @phillipmthalane
Boers and Zulu, two of the most powerful nations, ...focus on yourself...
ANC supporters are protesting against an ANC & DA coalition. What are the implications of these protests?
...the 4..5??...protestors..
...really??...apparently its 6 protestors..??
They trying to sabotage the country.
..4 protestors only...sorry.theres 5..in total
@@Phillip-oo2ft They are representing many ANC members who are not prepared to go on tv yet because of the discipline that comes with being led in the ANC.
@@biko8229sure
Be careful what you wish for. International experience shows that constituency based systems lead to domination by two or three big parties.
Sharing is good
Achmat???? Dear lawd spare us
Can someone please tell me why dudu zambodla are not being charged with fraud and corruption for forging of signatures
You need to conduct a research before you state any point
You don't know what you saying
You not answering my question@nxumalonkululeko4198
Why is the police and the hawks not investigating
@@amoebaslatoe7925 because there is no case to be investigated
Pray they all get on well
MK is an illegal party, or its leader for the least!
I think Zuma has a plan 🤔he always comes up with something, the very reason we debating this means he has something out of the ordinary up his sleeve 🤔😉
yet the so-called educated keep on undermining him. we are in this situation because he came back and decimated ANC votes.
Very confusing numbers for the zuma camp no doubt 😂😂
Academic intellectuals are very funny when they talk politics, you can hear that this one would struggle to lead a simple street committee in our neighbourhoods😂😂
If you apply what goes on in govt to your street what would happen? Just asking. 😅
Street committee of uneducated people, stone throwers , criminals, loud mouths and
@@johnlouw6449 Everything happening in government is applied on my street. Let me assist you, this guy thinks politics is like 1+1=2 and politics are not like that. He even has courage to dismiss people's votes so cold heartedly.
@@biko8229 It's not politics. It's procedure. It's how they allocate votes.
😂😂😂😂
19:45 yes we don't realise how much work they put in!
So what was done by IEC is actually acceptable coz things are continuing normal knowing very well the results we working with were not true reflection💔
Mother what mother did u mean another
The MK is looking at an independent KwaZulu Natal remember 1961 Natal wanted to secede from the rest of South Africa and this is what JZ is aimingfor
Put it on a white board
The sounds far too complicated.
30%ter?
If the idea is that Parliament can be constituted with less than 350 seats, then in what event is there a re-election in 90 days? The provision of dissolution is in the event that Parliament can not be constituted with at least 350 members.
Squirrel Ramasopha made a comeback because he's a WEF owned puppet with a very small tribal following and the Corpos got, and kept, him in power
Very one Biznews has interviewed during this election has said one thing in common: Democracy is in full swing and working but how can this be when we have 60M people in this country and I understand a large amount is under 18 years old and can’t vote but still we had only 16M votes - how is that a Democracy?
It is indeed a Democracy. Some chose to enact their "Democratic Right" to NOT vote.
Ummm… people chose not to vote. Is it a poor decision? Yes. How is that non-Democratic though? Everyone had the option and right to register and vote. As an American, this is an amazing example of true democracy in action.
Sorry, but your guest is one of those to blame for the stupidity of the 3rd ballot!
"Credible comeback" because theres the racist DA involved?....these people are funny
People like the prof seem not be aware about the fact that there is growing voter apathy.
That could mean that a lot of people from the African segment want a change in the Constitution.
This could allow the MK to exploit that disenchanted voter apathy element to its advantage".
I imagine a scenario where those in parliament will only be recognised by a certain segment of the population.
Good discussion
4 ballots next time? 🤦🏻
3 was complicated enough.
3 slowed down the whole process.
Now they want 4. FFS.
16:10 for sure, progress!
why vote fr poloticians, when will we vote fr their FUNDERS/CONTROLERS bcos they r the ones who decides everything in de country😤like how SPRINGBOKS ended up in de house of 1 man, bt not travel to other PROVINCES whom supported de team wholeheartedly, so why not just vote fr those CONTROLING 🤔👁
3:40 interesting point
This is the kind of information that would have been helpful if the public was made to understand how this new process worked.
People would then not just know that their vote counted, but exactly how it counted.
The votes could have been a completely different result and more people would have attended.
Did anyone follow that math??? the math is not mathematics!!!
Got lost 5 mins after his explanation
Thank goodness we dont have constituencies! That kust opens the door to gerry mandring and electoral manipulation. The inclusion of independents was the most idiotic idea.
Rocket science?
Trouble is coming businesses especially the Stellenbosch mafia should stay out of politics negotiations.
Nice ❤
Point of correction 58 seats not 57
How do you sworn in a person in his/ her absence
MKP have opened our eyes political wider
Its you again ,sho like oh l know everything, !!!!
Did OHM get a seat
You call fighting for our rights subbotag!?!?
What your trying say is nonsense
30%ter?
The counting were definitely not honest.
Ur living in a bubble.
Thank God LL is not in our parlement
Louis. Ramaposa SUCKS,,,,,,, my bru....
... stop being ... naive ...
I just don't like this pattern of interviews when Blacks interview Blacks and white interviewers interview whites, this alone tells you that South Africa is still divided
Zuma probbaly couldnt read the numbers properly " 50 thousand er million or 50 or 5000, no listen carefully! ..we will boycott because we have 500 or so, no listen carefully now- close to 50 or ja you know the amount hehehhe so yes we will boycott " so its absolutely certain if he were to listen to this video he would already be staring eyes glazed the moment the word "numbers" was mentioned - completely lost
Ag rubbish!!!
Never heard any person polished unpolished item so shining as this man against his better knowing any system as he has polished this disaster, sorry!!! Very clearly and understandable but not as ....... at all ,!!!!!
30%ter?
He has never been credible, will never be.
Not to someone like you, maybe... People are TRYING to have law and order in the country...
@@janineroux2398 Are you sure? A person like You clearly does not read much?
Prefer the head in the Sand.
🤣
@@joecruiser well I read your comment, didn't I?? Are you a, lawyer? Do you know what he is talking about, what his sentiments are, or do you just dislike him because he is the wrong colour?
@@janineroux2398 people like you have brought SA to it's knees. Unwilling to wake up to realities in Afrika.
@@joecruiser i don't live there... Tell me, what are the realities there...? Because somebody sure has to fix them...
You are trying shem