The mechanical picture of nature like classical physics literally got us to the moon. But we know underneath the mechanics even in biology are the complex forces of the atom, that actually do protein folding and perform cellular metabolic processes. However in the interest of investigating RNA and vaccine development, the mechanical picture and cataloging suffices. Consciousness as Bertrand Russell and others pointed out reveals this gap between the mechanical picture and what makes subjective experience. No mystery here that we can catalog neural correlates outside the cell but inside the cell is still a somewhat mystery.
The non-mechanistic world view, Aristotelian or Neoplatonic, could just as easily have taken us to the moon. Anyone who dismisses this is committing a non sequitur. The lunar achievement was purely an engineering feat, which took place after countless trials and errors. The ideology of the church alone, not her philosophy, rather prevented a conceivable journey to the moon.
You are very much mistaken in thinking that philosophy is not a real subject. You philosophize every day, probably without realizing it. For example, you presuppose the philosophical theory that you are not the only existing consciousness, or that material stuff is ‘out there’. Or whether the world has a definite beginning or has always been and is eternal can only be decided philosophically, if at all, namely by which model turns out to be the most coherent when fully explicated. No blah, blah, blah.
“Theology is the modern day version of witchcraft and shamanism” Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!. This is a straw man argument lol. Did you even listen to DBH. Its actually pure physicalism that is synonymous with witchcraft and shamanism not the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness and an immanent ground of all being, existence and reality. We have a lot of evidence for the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as love, altruism, beauty, bravery, morals, ethics, meaning and purpose, that is the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness. All the best to you ❤️
Christians should be careful To think humans can survive apart from their bodies, live eternally in heaven or Hell, they may be far to close to believing a dangerous thing akin to the claims and promises of the father of lies who claimed such things from the beginning. Namely, "You shall be gods.". God declared Adam a living soul after the body and spirit were combined. Not before. And scripture proclaims our mortality, the need for the tree of life for immortal status, and that God alone has immortality. Last I checked God is the one granting life, and His design was a living body with breath. Hence the whole.second coming and resurrection. If Hell is eternal conscious torment whats the whole point of the tree of life? Seen in Eden, taken away to limit life, and as a necessity even in the new heavens and new earth.
If you're making recourse to Genesis to make your argument - especially if you are including "the father of lies" in your claims - you seem to leave out the very part of the creation allegories in which God created angels, living creatures with intentional thought - otherwise how could some of them have rebelled - and their own consciousness - otherwise how could they suffer torment - which are not embodied. Jesus answered you in his response to the Sadducees quoting Exodus that God is the God of the living, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob still living as God spoke to Moses. We die into God, an infinitely more real life than the life we experience in our bodies, more real than we know now.
Well, at least he's talking to a good variety of intelligent people. But it _is_ odd that Kuhn's presumptions and ignorance have persisted throughout all of his work on this project. He seems not to _advance_ through his discussions. Kuhn has little to say; don't let that bother you; just listen to his interviewees.
Wonderful. I've been waiting for this for so long. I could listen to DBH for hours on end. Thank you!
As could I. At last RLK is talking to the right person.
It's the perfect time for this show to have existed.
DBH... someone who says my thoughts to a wide audience. Love it!
keep them coming.
I learn so much from him
On point!
The mechanical picture of nature like classical physics literally got us to the moon. But we know underneath the mechanics even in biology are the complex forces of the atom, that actually do protein folding and perform cellular metabolic processes. However in the interest of investigating RNA and vaccine development, the mechanical picture and cataloging suffices. Consciousness as Bertrand Russell and others pointed out reveals this gap between the mechanical picture and what makes subjective experience. No mystery here that we can catalog neural correlates outside the cell but inside the cell is still a somewhat mystery.
The non-mechanistic world view, Aristotelian or Neoplatonic, could just as easily have taken us to the moon. Anyone who dismisses this is committing a non sequitur. The lunar achievement was purely an engineering feat, which took place after countless trials and errors. The ideology of the church alone, not her philosophy, rather prevented a conceivable journey to the moon.
matter is only theory or mind truth is brain
Good
DBH is a massive human being 5:29
Do you mean Obese??
@@suatustel746he is very tall and very wide in stature.
@Antonio Lewis = the only judge of what’s "interesting" in all the cosmos. You and DBH would get along.
What
the other guy looks like a hobbit compared to DBH
I wish I had something profound to write
science & theology can or can't be consciousness! body and mind can be brain with this as math brain or as us if in reality for truth is theology
Consciousness is like modern stri g theory, youcan write a lot about it but practically it is useless.Dr Fazal Cambridge USA
Richard Dawkins is right to say that this is not a "real subject". Blah blah blah.
You are very much mistaken in thinking that philosophy is not a real subject. You philosophize every day, probably without realizing it. For example, you presuppose the philosophical theory that you are not the only existing consciousness, or that material stuff is ‘out there’. Or whether the world has a definite beginning or has always been and is eternal can only be decided philosophically, if at all, namely by which model turns out to be the most coherent when fully explicated. No blah, blah, blah.
RLK is a great guy but no technical background or intuitions.
Theology is the modern-day version of witchcraft and shamanism. They all appeal to magic and wizards to explain the world
😂😂😂😂
“Theology is the modern day version of witchcraft and shamanism”
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!. This is a straw man argument lol. Did you even listen to DBH. Its actually pure physicalism that is synonymous with witchcraft and shamanism not the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness and an immanent ground of all being, existence and reality. We have a lot of evidence for the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as love, altruism, beauty, bravery, morals, ethics, meaning and purpose, that is the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness. All the best to you ❤️
@@georgedoyle7971 you beat me to it. The OP didn’t listen
Christians should be careful
To think humans can survive apart from their bodies, live eternally in heaven or Hell, they may be far to close to believing a dangerous thing akin to the claims and promises of the father of lies who claimed such things from the beginning. Namely, "You shall be gods.".
God declared Adam a living soul after the body and spirit were combined. Not before. And scripture proclaims our mortality, the need for the tree of life for immortal status, and that God alone has immortality.
Last I checked God is the one granting life, and His design was a living body with breath. Hence the whole.second coming and resurrection. If Hell is eternal conscious torment whats the whole point of the tree of life? Seen in Eden, taken away to limit life, and as a necessity even in the new heavens and new earth.
If you're making recourse to Genesis to make your argument - especially if you are including "the father of lies" in your claims - you seem to leave out the very part of the creation allegories in which God created angels, living creatures with intentional thought - otherwise how could some of them have rebelled - and their own consciousness - otherwise how could they suffer torment - which are not embodied. Jesus answered you in his response to the Sadducees quoting Exodus that God is the God of the living, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob still living as God spoke to Moses. We die into God, an infinitely more real life than the life we experience in our bodies, more real than we know now.
Comic book guy
Accept this man is a deep philosopher, not a man-child like Comic Book Guy.
Religious dogma didn't get in the way of scientific progress? Yeah, okay... what a liar.
why?
Boy did somebody missed the point of his argument.
Religiosity INSPIRED laws which ALL science relies on to this day.
You comment on a bunch of these videos but don’t actually say anything, quite amazing
The presumptions and ignorance are killing me. The fact that people listen to this man bothers me in my soul.
Well, at least he's talking to a good variety of intelligent people. But it _is_ odd that Kuhn's presumptions and ignorance have persisted throughout all of his work on this project. He seems not to _advance_ through his discussions. Kuhn has little to say; don't let that bother you; just listen to his interviewees.
I meant Hart, not Kuhn. ;)
That's too bad! :-)
Antonio Lewis Are you too stupid to understand what he is saying or too stupid to come up with any argument against him?
Yes, that's exactly it. I'm too stupid to understand, Miller. Whatever you need.