I really believe God is good, and having satan betray Him in heaven where everything is perfect is proof that personalities with free will can go wayward even under the best circumstances
Well.....depends on how you define free. Remember God is omniscient, God created Satan knowing he would fall. In fact God planned on Satan falling as part of his broader plan. Satan still appears to have a will as do we, but from God's perspective we are simply doing what he foresaw we would do. The idea of free will in the Christian worldview is rather strange if you actually read your Bible. Judas was prophesied to betray the lord years before he was born. Jesus told Peter, you will deny me 3 times. Could peter have chosen otherwise? Could judas have chosen otherwise? No, it was preordained the path they would walk. From Peter and Judas's perspective, I'm sure they believed they were making a free will choice not that they were acting out what had already been foretold. It is a very interesting topic nonetheless, especially when you get into a thought experiment. Say for instance in the book of revelations it state the antichrist will go into the temple and demand they stop making sacrifices. Is even the antichrist unable to escape his fate and do what the lord has already predetermined for him to do? God is good, always because anything he does is good. It is not good because of my opinion, it is good because he has done it. God is the measure by which the word good has any meaning. He is the foundation upon which morality is built. God bless, the Book of Job is a great eye opener in this. John Piper has a wonderful and humbling sermon on the Book of Job.
@@Matt-bz5vg I think free will is a little different than we know. Like if we made a choice it created a multiverse. Like idk how to explain it, but every thing is doing God's will and not at the same time. God made them free so they can weave their own destiny but since God sees everything he already saw the future u were going to go through, and he saw this with infinite possibilities. Thus u have free will, but there are also other versions of you who made other choices and spawned other stories, therefore u have free will, just not in the sense u think cuz God sees every reality u will go through. Thats what I think atleast
@@todddogg7817 God will be saved?? That is a bit of a blasphemous statement. I pray you don't actually think that. How can an eternal being that is perfect in every way need saved?
Jesus is saying to everyone who rejects him and dies in their sins and ultimately ends up in hell it would be better if that person had never been born:
“John 13:2, the Last Supper, ‘The devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray him.’ So instances like this. Jesus calls Judas a devil in John 6. Jesus says it would be better for that man never to have been born than to do the things he has done. So I suppose we could multiply many examples from Scripture alone that point to the fact that Judas did not go to heaven: Its also my personal belief that a spirit filled person does not commit suicide.
This strangely made sense. God did it the best possible way for God to carry out his will while still giving us free will. Now that shows God's brilliance and power if you ask me.
HI We do not have Free Will. When Eve sinned and ate the forbidden fruit she was COUNTERMANDING God's will, and this made a saviour necessary, because 'ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God'. ' Our Father who art in Heaven hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!' ' If you love me do my commands' NO FREE WILL! Only OBEDIENT will is acceptable! Jesus/ Yeshua OBEYED the Father unto the death of the cross! Because THIS was the Father's will! He said 'If it were possible take this cup from me, NEVERTHELESS not MY WILL but THINE be done. ' So called ''Free will' is really only ' Carnal will'. Peter said ' For there is none other name under heaven wherewith we MUST be saved'. Satan seemed 'Free' to Eve when he made her question God's command about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Was she exercising her ' Free will' when she decided to eat from it? NO she was putting herself ABOVE God's direct command which made her and Adam and their heirs forfeit rulership of the earth to Satan! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
@@dmo544 because millions of people are headed toward eternal damnation when all they have to do is ask Jesus. It is free and easy...I have no book nor anything else to sell you it just breaks my heart.
You have no idea, none, as to when he's coming back. What is soon? They've been saying that for 2,000 years. What's soon? Are you aware of what has to happen before he does? That could take 20 years. What is soon?
@@marktombazian6490 We're in a dimension of time. The brain can not comprehend the infinite. However, you are fulfilling prophecy in your simple claim. Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:3-9
For what do I need to be forgiven? I'm not one that ascribes all the horrible and ridiculous things that the Bible says about God to an actual God. If God is truly perfect, I honestly believe those that believe in the Bible are indefensibly wrong.
jaredontv....GOD is one who is eternal and alone he is nor a father neither a son ( nor he begets neither he is begotten ) he is the creator of universe. He look after his creation, he never sleeps nor he gets tired of it. He is the one who knows everything, his throne surrounds all of his creation and he is above all of it. He created everything out of nothing. He has no beginning and he has no end. We belong to him and we will return to him.
Examples of hyperbole in English: 1) I told you a million times. 2) I was so hungry I could eat a horse. 3) I was so embarrassed I could die. 4) I ate so much I could burst. 5) He would give you the shirt off his back. 6) He scared me to death. While these expressions may or may not make sense if translated to other languages, fluent English speakers understand that they are not literal and not meant to be taken at face value. Likewise, other languages have their own expressions that do not translate easily to English. Jesus’ words concerning Judas Iscariot is one such expression in the cultural and linguistic context of that day.
Hyperbole is really a lie and is not of God. "I told you a million times" is a lie if you only told me 30 times. God would not lie and does not condone lying.
@@Kaho there are at least 16 biblical references across both testiments saying do not lie and not one of them says wellllll, it depends, maybe, consider the context... it's very clear.
@@LouisFGraham Then you're missing the point, basically the lesson here is read it in context, you need to be aware of how you distinguish hyperbole from the literal meaning of the phrase. Like for example in Deuteronomy 7 God said WIPE all the women, children, animals; then the next verse says don't intermarry with them. If you just wipe everybody out how can you intermarry with them, they're dead. Is God a liar for saying that? NO, you reconcile this by distinguishing Hyperbolic language.
@@Kaho no God does not lie, if you believe in God, and these two versus are not in contradiction. They also have nothing to do with lying. Dont try to deflect and distract from the issue at hand. There is absolutely no reason for children of God to lie in any context. You're looking for an excuse or justification to lie. You can lie if you want. You have free will. Just be honest about it and accept that it's not Godly. We do tons of things all the time that are not Godly, lying by hyperbole is one of them. If you can lie through omission, certainly intentional lying through hyperbole is categorically a lie.
God could've killed Eve right on the spot before she went to Adam after her meeting with the serpent. God could've also kiled the serpent right before he tempted Eve. But as we now know God had a long term plan to redeem mankind through his Son. What love is greater than this?
Also you're forgetting he knew Lucifer would turn against him even before he did.. And still didn't want to kill him, instead he put him in timeout from the most beautiful place n cast him to hell or as we say the center of the earth n made him a "super demigod..".. Which is the reason why we're even going through this mess.. So if he knew the problem n had the chance to just exterminate the virus.. Why not just do so? Why sacrifice so many lives even including his own self.. Yes jesus is not God's son Jesus is "God". God had to become man in order to say his creation from destruction. IE him self.. He Had to leave his "DNA" aka "Blood" or evidence of his existence... Death is the initial sacrifice... So when god sacrifice himself it elevated him to an even higher plain of consciousness.. The plain of Knowing everything.. And seeing everything becoming one with everything.. That why before just died he pray and said father "it is now finished." Because it was all a plan and the plan is far from over that was just part one of the "plan..." But aye maybe I'm just crazy..
@@godzboilevi8125 Yes God did not kill Satan. And God knows the right season for everything. We trust God had higher purpose which we cannot perceive today. Sometimes we want God to work just as we think its would be best for us but we forget that HE is GOD and not WE*.
Then why your God says would it be better for Judas had not be born? Sounds like he regrets of his own plan. Isn't whatever thing/decision that he decree is the best?
Opinion: God created all people with 100% free will. He separated himself from their free will so people can choose to truly love him, or not. This is the only way for true love to exist, it cannot be forced. That being said, he also knows/knew all the choices that people make/made before they happened. Judas was free to choose and Jesus was saying that would be better to never exist than to persecute/deny God. Rough to think about, but it does give good perspective on how we should live our lives.
So why let those non believers be born in the first place! Seems more practical to just let those who believe in him be the ones who enter the Earth. If the non believers have no choice at all and are destined to burn in Hell why even have them be born into this world... doesn’t sound like free will when God always knows who will love them.
@@3dpulp278 Well half is workforce the angles rebelled against God I want to hear the Devils side of the story bibles pretty biased lol but yeah I think I prefer the Doom Eternal version in terms of the artistic depiction of heaven and hell.
@@CaptainAmercia Can't keep everyone happy 😀 Obviously I don't know the "why", but I am pretty sure it has to do with balance. The universe would be really boring if it was one-sided.
A Professor told his students, "There are no absolutes." Then a student said, "Are you sure about that Professor?" The Professor said, "Absolutely." - Adrian Rogers.
I noticed another paradox too. The statement, "I know nothing" is self contradicting because how would you know nothing if you KNEW that you knew nothing.
@@elifuller4862 for a man to say "i know nothing" does not mean he knows absolutely nothing, but any man in pursuit of knowledge is eventually faced with the vastness of knowledge, a great deal of which any man would admit that he wouldn't be able to acquire in this short life time. In view of that unacquirable knowledge in comparison to the miniscule fraction he has acquired, the wise man humbly acknowledges that he knows nothing. Nothing is not taken literally
@@eboniashante2764 where do you put Satan then, he is the sabotaged of our lives and then complain about God, God did create lucifer who is satan, so it's like we sin then out parents should go to jail, then no not parents but grandparents and up the heirarchy, which is not morally right, if we sin we are accountable.
Lame lames I don’t think that verse contradicts with free will. God made everyone, even those that are evil and would sin against him. We all have a choice, we were all created by him.
Lame lames Haven’t we all been wicked at one point towards another and still we are saved by God? We are all wicked, and we have all done evil. Even the saved.
KJV version says God makes everything for himself. “It’s purpose” in this translation makes it seem as if God is distancing himself from us, and we have scripture that counters that idea.
@@jeffersonrundell7540 True but at the same time, after we get saved, we are always making a moment by moment choice to listen to God and follow His word. It wouldn’t have been true love if we were programmed without our free will and we always say yes to Him. It’s also not true love if we hear God speaking to our conscience but don’t listen and follow what He’s telling us. If He tells us “turn right” but we pretend we didn’t hear and turn left, it shows that we don’t love Him enough to listen. It’s not enough to repent of our sins and be saved the first time around, in order to show that we love God always, we got to listen to God always.
sda**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@bravoman Hell is a separation from God so if you feel that being with God is dull then He gives the choice to be separated from Him. Like the guy says on the video God gave us free will so therefore God gives us a choice to be with Him or separated from Him. God is not going to incarcerate you in Heaven against your will, that's your choice if you want to be in Heaven or not.
@@michaellangan4450 Why do you claim God for the evil in this world? You keep forgetting Satan, he is the one who makes all those things happen, and remember God gives us free will, those actions are caused by Satan and his hatred for humanity, God is so amazing that he gives us free will to do our actions and he respects that free will, but sometimes he warns us and we are stubborn and go on the wrong path.
@@michaellangan4450 that is mans doing. God gave us free will he cannot step in on everything or else that would defeat the whole purpose. Also satan has power over things as well... evil is NOT Gods doing
af**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 God created everyone for his glory & his children for his pleasure. Ephesians says he will use the church to display his manifold wisdom to the powers & authorities in the heavenly realms. He will use the wicked to display his power too so that his “name” will be declared throughout the earth.
Yes, I was thinking the same. Is refreshing to see that level of respect. Seems like he was genuinely seeking an answer to a question. No games, just seeking truth.
@Jacob Strom I disagree but I liked Hitchens. John Lennox soundly beat Hitchens and Hitchens was gentleman enough to admit it. So much more likeable than Dawkins.....who embarrasses himself in debates.
@Jacob Strom That isn't true. Hitchens was never a deep thinker. His talent was turning a phrase. When Hitchens was corned, he would resort to rhetorical tricks and ad hominems rather than addressing the point or admitting defeat. You mistake those tricks as the brilliance of Hitchens but it actually just signals his weaknesses.
there is more: *"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, (28) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."* Acts 4 *" For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. (18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. (19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? (20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? (21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (22) [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: (23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,"* Romans 9
K. Hamilton, Do not misinterpret this verse. What God is saying is that He created evil (which can be translated at "calamity" or "disaster") for the wicked (i.e. those who choose evil over righteousness). God has rightly judged and prepared a day for every person and every deed. Look at this verse as translated through NIV: "The Lord works out everything to its proper end- even the wicked for a day of disaster." Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." God did not create Judas for evil. Judas chose for himself.
@@Jammaster1972 *" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (66) From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." John 6 Only God can make, by giving you His Spirit, that you will be given the desire to come to Him and persevere in salvation, because this is His Will, not yours. This is HIS choice and it is not a Calvinist invention, but God's real character who predestinated us to be save. *"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, "* Ephesians 1:4 *"But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal. (5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."* Romans 4 *" (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)"* Romans 9:11 *"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: "* 2 thessalonians 13
2 Peter 3:9 King James Version 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
It seems like so these students always try to ask him "gotcha" questions, instead of trying to truly understand. ...Excellant response to his question btw
I agree and disagree. In most cases I think students are just trying to present a gotcha question, but in this case I truly believe this student wanted to understand the meaning behind what Jesus was saying.
True, and people need to remember, that YHWH. gave us free will. So, we are not robots, we are free to do what we want to do. Praise Him, or sin. It is sad that there is so much sin in the world today. But, He will forgive us, if we are truly asking for forgiveness. But, there is only one sin that is unforgivable. Isn't that amazing?
It amazes me when i see people still beg for his infinite mercy and justice if he cannot be held to the moral and ethical standard of wicked man....he will do whatever he like.... So naive....
2:12 Coming from a middle eastern background, I can truly understand the poetic nature of Jesus's statement. In the west, people are more literal and detailed oriented. They take everything seriously (I see it as a good thing). In the middle eastern culture, that's not how people communicate.
@@lllllllllllllllII He probably meant he didn't want Judas to be born because of the suffering he went through. But I don't know Hebrew, so I think you should listen to Turek on this.
@@mitchellc4 Go read the Gospel of John Chapter 1 until verse 18. I'll summarise the important points: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.......And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father Yes, Jesus is God.
@@mitchellc4 well it's both simple and complicated at the same time isn't it haha, as are all the things of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit, God the Father exists, being ONE with his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy spirit that is in both of them, and is of the Father, and thus of the Son, Jesus and God are DISTINCT in that they have their own personalities, however they are also one, and it's no surprise that a perfect Father (God) and perfect Son (Jesus) would also be very much the same, as the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and Jesus being ONE with God, and the Son, whom are both the alpha, omega, who always have been and always will be, the beginning, and the end, acts as a son, and God being the Father acts as a Father, even though they are ONE that is the order of Gods very nature, hence the Father is the head of Christ (the son) and Christ the head of man, and man the head of woman, and his children etc. God gave his Son Jesus an inheritance, as every good father is to give to his son, Jesus's inheritance was his name to be exalted above all others, and to have power over both heaven and earth, as scripture states. It all makes sense (as much as something like this can to a man i suppose haha) when you think about it, God the Father issued the orders of creation to his Son Jesus, who followed his fathers commands, and created all he was commanded, and in turn came to us and spoke his Fathers words as commanded, to all of us, for as Jesus said, he speaks not his own words, but the words of him who sent him. And we as Good servants and sons to Christ, should likewise obey etc, as should those who we are heads over. Hopefully i didn't butcher that too much lol, but this is my current understanding, and as paul says, "he who thinks he knows, knows not yet as he ought to know", perhaps one day this will be an incredibly easy to understand concept, but as of most things of God, for us humans, it's hard to comprehend. God bless you and keep you :)
@@mitchellc4 i didn't disagree that the Father is the head of Christ, it's clearly outlined in scripture...... That doesn't change that it's also scripture that as his inheritance he's given command of heaven and earth, and his name exalted above all others... nevertheless Christ will always be the Son, and our Father in heaven will always be the Father, and they will always simultaneously also be ONE with each other, and the holy spirit. God bless.
Is it just me, or does the smarmy tone we hear often in Q & As kinda come across as the questioner not giving a rip about a valid, reasonable and thoughtful answer? Yet, this one seemed less smarmy and offered a genuine sounding 'thank you' at the end. Cool. I am encouraged.
This was awesome! The question is many people's question, the answer hit the spot, especially the second part in which the lecturer schooled most of the audience that had the same human logic approach to God and his Word!
d**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 That's the fallacy of Christianity and Turek's weird explanations. The truth is that EVERYONE rejects God because the flesh cannot please God. The carnal man in all of us cannot do a thing to please God but God does the calling and the choosing. He works in people to will and to do of His good pleasure. Hell and heaven are concepts invented by religion. There is no hell and heaven is not what you think it is.
@@therealgospelofchrist6823 8you arent`getting the problem Lets put ourselves in God's shoes, as best as we can. if you know that if you have sex your wife will get pregnant , and the doctor says that if you have sex he know with 100% certanty that the baby will come out without legs, and KNOWING that the baby will come out without legs, would you choose to have sex, knowing that your child will suffer all his life. If you say yes you are horrible parent. This is a better illustration,
And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36 KJV
Good answer! Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus. Believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead and you will be saved! (Romans 10:9) Christ makes life INCREDIBLE!!!
Judas had a free will whether to betray or not to betray Lord. He had choose to betray Lord and because of that action, he committed great sin by breaking the 1st of 10 God commandments (Love God).
He didn't really have a choice being destined to betray Jesus. When something is destined all other possibilities become rot. Whatever is destined to be will be no matter what. The guy had no more certain outcome than the one that happened. That's fate, you can't change it. It's set as a bigger plan that you don't control.
@Morphelia sometimes a person can do something so devastating that they don't come back from it, it changes who they are as a person and they go over the edge
@Morphelia God knows everything each person will ever do in their lives. Because He already knows, all we are really doing is just living out what He knows we will do into fulfillment. We really don't have the freedom to change it, because as God already knows it means it's set. Nothing surprises Him, every decision we make is simply already set from the beginning. What God knows will happen must happen, every step we take is only the fulfillment of the outcome that He has foreseen. If we truly had full freedom we could change our outcomes even from what was already set in place. Only God has that power and ability, but He doesn't not use it in our lives.
Bdwiatmadji he had free will true but him back stabbing Jesus played a hug role into his Crucifixion? Because if they didn’t find Jesus then he wouldn’t of been crucified?
@@mercedesreynoso4318 not too sure about that one, God knows all the possibilities you can choose from but for a creature to be free I don't think you can know what they will do in the future (since that hasn't happened, therefore it isn't knowable).
JUDAS OBVIOUSLY BECAME THE TRAITOR...THAT TURNED ON HIS MASTER....WHICH IS ONE OF MANY REASONS WHY YOU NEED TO BE DELIVERED FROM THE CARNAL MIND......!!!!!.
@Ghost In The Shell's The Laughing Man THE FIRST THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND...IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOD CONCEPT...THE WORD CARNAL, MEANS ANYTHING OPPOSED TO THE SPIRITUAL REALM....WORLDLY, SENSUAL, BLOODTHIRSTY, ANIMALISTIC...IT IS CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN MARK 7:21-23...OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT SIN WHEN YOU'RE DEAD...
@Ghost In The Shell's The Laughing Man Your pets do not have souls....the lambs and calves, goats that were sin sacrifices...do not have souls...if so, then those who sacrificed them would be murderers in Gods eyes...You can kill a lamb, but you cannot murder it...
All the believers in Christ must be thankful to Judas Iscariot, when there's no Judas until now the Roman didn't found Jesus to be nailed in the cross where people are to be save.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Wow I love the way he put that. I've never heard that argument. It was nice to hear a faith filled answer it bring peace and joy to my heart Immediately. Thanks.
I think you also are mistaking people's choice to do what they do, with God's predermination that they would do it. See Isaiah 10:5-19: The Lord SENT the King of Assyria to Judah to punish them, to "trample them down like mud in the streets," Saying that the King of Assyria is "the rod of my anger" and "the club of my wrath." Then He (The Lord) says to the King "But this is not what he (the king) intends...his purpose is to destroy" God then says (paraphrasing) even though I was the one who sent him and wielded him like an ax, he did what he did for his own wicked purpose and therefore I will punish him. At one in the same time God ordained that the King of Assyria would do what he did and yet what the king did was by HIS wicked choice and was justly punished. See also Isaiah 37: "Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel, ‘Because you have prayed to Me against Sennacherib king of Assyria, this is the word which the Lord has spoken CONCERNING HIM:....“Did you not hear long ago How I made it, From ancient times that I formed it? Now I HAVE BROUGHT IT TO PASS, That you should be For crushing fortified cities into heaps of ruins." God ordained it from "long ago" that the King of Assyria would be used as a "club" for "crushing fortified cities.." And yet, it WAS the king's "will" to do what he did. The free will of men to do what they "want" to do is not subverted by God's sovereignty and foreordaining of "whatsoever comes to pass."
There was no choice.... You are saying that Jesus might've not been betrayed?? Judas could've not delivered Jesus to the Pharisees to be killed? No, no, and no. Jesus was slain before the foundations of the world. He was predestined to be killed so that salvation would be possible. It didn't just happen, this was God's plan from the beginning. Now we can debate over free will all you want, but free will is an assumption by man that is not affirmed in the bible. But free will is not possible since God is sovereign and he declares the end from the beginning and no one can stay his hand with their "free will". "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? " -Daniel 4:35. Now just because God predestined Judas to do what he did doesn't mean that Judas isn't responsible for it. Judas was born into sin with a fallen nature and God doesn't have to force any sinner to sin, he uses their sinful ways to fulfill his plans. As it is written in Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
@A Aron I think you make some good points. The only thing I'd add which is an elaboration from something else frank has said which is the timing at which Christ came into the world. He not only knew what would happen if he created every little minor detail of creation and all the possibilities but as part of those possibilities he foresaw that by doing everything in the way he did when would be the perfect time he needed to enter the world to deliver it to create the best possible outcome. God chose this exact way within his identity as perfection, and as perfection he knew this was the perfect way to interact with a severely imperfect world. Glad to hear your thoughts on what I've written to make sure I'm not mistaken in any part.
That was a "warning" mate, before he actually betrayed the Lord, the Lord Jesus was warning Judas beforehand of the consequences of his actions, should he choose to freely and willfully go through with his choice/action of betrayal.
@@shantor100 - yes he did, the Lord warn Judas "indirectly" in Matthew 26:24. Matthew 26:20-25 (KJV) 20Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. 21And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. 22And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I? 23And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. 24The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto THAT MAN by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. 25Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
@Medicel Doctor - I'm not a Calvinist brother, nor does God "force" (program) anyone to commit sin. Just because God knew what you would do before the thought even entered your mind and used your willful actions for his glory and purposes, doesn't mean that he robbed you of your free will and force you to commit those sinful actions. God is not a deceiving hypocrite. James 1:13-15 (KJV) 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Judas was a money hungry thief from the beginning, he did what he did willfully when he gave in to his fleshly desires (Lust).
@Medicel Doctor - brother you can't blame Satan for every sinful action that we commit, for we in the flesh have a sin nature. Our flesh lives for the moment hence why we have an internal desire to do that which we know is wrong, Paul the apostle talked about this. Satan tempts us, yes, but our flesh always tempts regularly, hence why Paul said that we must wrestle with our old man daily. This aligns with what the Lord Jesus commanded us to do daily, when he said that we must deny ourselves (fleshly desires) and pick up their cross daily (resist and strive to turn from our sins daily).
I’ll just say this, God created a perfect world and then Satan put a hex on the world and here we are. The battle in the spirit world is coming over into our own plane. Be strong in the Lord
God actually regretted creating the whole universe in the Genesis. Not because it was bad but because we failed so bad with our freedom. Alas, God was merciful so He pressed the reset button before we all doom ourselves with irredeemable evil.
@@kayka5090 God did that to show US we NEED a Savior. It was for OUR example. Otherwise, we'd all be wondering, Why, What if, Maybe not.. How come.. And so on.. The OT shows us our need for a Savior. The severity of our sin and the cost if f it and the payment that had to be made. It had to be a sinless/perfect person to bear the sins of this world, He even said the animal sacrifices weren't enough. God's perfect plan to save us, He came as a Man, like us, but perfect and sinless and took the punishment on the cross that we deserved, upon Himself. He paid the ultimate price for us so we don't have to. God made it so simple, even a child can understand. What amazing love He has for us. And all we have to do is receive Him into our hearts. Amazing love! God is so Good!
J Don God didn’t fail, he simply chose to give us free will, otherwise He’d have created robots, and as God is outside of time, what happened 6000 years ago, to God that was only 6 days ago, but yet, no 1 is forcing you to believe, did anyone force you to watch the video, nope, you chose to, same as it’s your choice if you wanna live in eternal paradise 1 day....., or the other option, as God is the creator, it’s a bit like the CEO and founding person of a business, it’s you choice to be part of that company if you’re offered a position.....
He did create a universe where everyone is saved. Then Adam sinned, and through one man, sin entered the world. Then God became flesh, and was hung on the cross, and became sin, who knew no sin, so that we can be saved through faith in Jesus, if we trust that Jesus took our sin upon Himself from us.
Why bother with all the indirect way of getting to it? Getting to it to have his son tortured and murdered? It flies in the face of logic...and God gave us logic (for good reason!) if their is a God!
@@jeffjones3040 because our world is so perfect that it is completely up to us to either embrace or reject God, therefore the world is presented to us in such a perfect manner.
The statement in question seems fairly straightforward. Not being born is better than going to hell. If this is hyperbole, how are we to distinguish _anything_ Jesus says from hyperbole?
@White Wolf I agree that the "eye of a needle" quote is clearly hyperbole. The Judas quote isn't clearly hyperbole at all. Isn't it just straightforwardly true?
@@incredulouspasta3304 It was prophesied that Jesus would be betrayed by someone close to him for 30 pieces of silver. If Judas wasn't born, then it would have been someone else that would have been born and betrayed Jesus. Also the question assumes punishment. We don't know that Judas will not be resurrected, forgiven, and humbled before God.
Everyone who has been born is going to live forever ,everyone but it's up to that person to decide if they want to live in the kingdom or in the lake of fire....both of them are eternal (forever)
b**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
The verse makes us consider the consequences of sin. It's simple- he lived and sinned. If Judas hadn't been born, he wouldn't be responsible. But, since he lived and made the sinful choices he did, death resulted.
When I first started listening to the fellow's question, I ALSO thought he might have been attempting to present Frank with an unresolvable conundrum. However, at the end, I got the impression his question was SINCERE, after all.
Frank is really good... He has debated Christopher Hitchens also.. and his answers are so specific to the question asked.. he is just awesome... Led by Holy Spirit... :)
God didn't create us to be robots. He created us to have free will, to choose to do good or evil. Judas chose to do evil, and Jesus saw that he was going to betray Him.
It was the plan of God to come into this world as a man (Jesus) to die for our sins, and be risen on the third day. But what I don't believe, and I would like for you to give a scripture for, is that Judas was born to betray Jesus. It was his choice, and Jesus saw that he was going to make that choice. Do you remember the story of Adam and Eve? They had a choice, choose to obey God and live or disobey God and die. They chose to disobey, and it wasn't God who made them disobey.
@@othellostewart8173 Thats the thing that bothers me, you talk about god and how he has a plan and then go on to say that he gives us free will to choose but dont those things contradict? A plan is a set of steps that we need to follow where as free will is about doing whatever you want with your life. And you mention that god created Judas just so he could betray Jesus because his plan required it and then later on make him commit suicide for the thing he had to do just so gods plan worked, doesnt that sound the least bit screwed up to you?
We have free will to choose to live according to his words or commandments. Which if we do, will be counted worthy to live with Him in heaven. But if we choose to disobey the word of God or live in sin, will be cast into the lake of fire on the day of judgement.
And I think you are mixing up my comments with the other person's. I never said that Judas was born to betray Jesus. It was the other person's point, in which I disagreed.
@@othellostewart8173 first off sorry for mixing comments up, its nice that you think that it is screwed for god to do something like that. Second off, you still arent addressing the question. If god has a plan for everything then wouldnt that neglect free will since free will is where we choose how we wish to live our life? From what i understand from your definition of free will, we get to choose whether we follow god or not, id like to add, but if youre an atheist or non-religious or anything else that does follow god then you get to be horribly tortured in hell.
Quite arrogant for a valid question. That guy is definitely a believer furthering his understanding. I️ bet you’re solely intrigued by the “who created God” “why are we here” type questions. Step off.
It's a valid argument but you are seriously over reaching to claim it is the truth. It could be true, which is enough for the sake of argument. But we can't *know* that it's true, and so it's not within our moral authority to behave as though it is
@@ianfitchett2768 human have the power to choose freely in this universe, free meaning they are free to choose whatever they want and whom to love, to suggest God to create a good universe and only good human is no different than a robot cause all human in that universe will be programed to do only good things, hence, No free will.
@@hunter-ry3tl God created the perfect world under the perfect circumstances for humanity to have knowledge of good and evil. There is no such thing as free will. It's an illusion. You only think you have free will because you are able to choose what you prefer with your available resources and circumstances.
Thank you for not doing the typical “if it’s not in *the Bible, we aren’t supposed to know. Ask God and forget about it” response… the church is dying because of the response I mentioned. Ty
See and I was seeing it as Jesus saying if he had never been born then his soul would still be saved. Because the souls of children that have never been conceived would be with God but a soul conceived and born and rejects God is lost for eternity?
Frank Turek is awesome keeping it biblical on point I gotta keep studying people got questions you gotta give them Explanations with God’s Word in right context
I thought of it different maybe God told him it was better for him not to be born because of how he ended his life.... "if he wasn't born he would not suffer what he is going to suffer" Jesus knew what was gonna happen to him that's why he said what he said.... that's my opinion, but the guy made a good argument maybe he's right... so yeah gotta keep studying lol
@@JuanGonzalez-hu1nr Jesus was talking about the betrayal. The one that has the power and authority to eternal life is the one Judas decides to stab in the back over silver. After that he felt his actions made him unredeemable.
@@charleskent8090 I love Jesus response to that however: "What is it to you? If I want him to live this world until i return, then what is it to you?" He basically said that even though Judas did that, he is the only one who determines where he goes.
@@LeonCamero Jesus said that you and I determine where we go based on the choices you make. He says in Deuteronomy 30:19 " This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live. Every choice that we ever make will be in favor of life or death.
There should be only one answer to this actually proper question. “The LORD has made all things for himself: yes, even the wicked for the day of evil.”
That's a biblical answer and would present problems for molinism. Remember the proper politically correct apologetic answer, start with man and man's will at the center of everything, and then interpret the bible from there. Don't try to interpret the bible with christ as the focus, otherwise that would mean that it isn't all about us and it isn't all about preserving our "free will". ;-)
2 Corinthians 4:16-18 New International Version (NIV) 16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
Son of Nun Son of Nun oh well. Someone needs a Ghost of the lamp someone needs GOD, someone puts his life into the bible someone put parts of the bible in his life... who do you wanna please that is the question? Man or God? Because if you chose the first you can not be for God... 👌🏾 (i see what you did there) 😉🙏🏾
The best possible WAY to get to the best possible world 🌎 Well said Dr. Turek. We will never endure the sufferings that Jesus did but the suffering of this world will result in eternity with the creator for those that believe (have faith).
Bull Whipz then what is the difference between you and hindus ? You’re not following monotheism , hindus believe god came down and took avatar as a human i think it sounds similar to your ideology. Christianity have to decide weather they are poly or monotheistic.
Good answer. I would like to add that from a philosophical standpoint, good (or the demonstration of good) cannot be recognized without evil. You can't be a winner unless there are losers.
The problem is that Peter describes Christ's betrayal and death as "predestined plan of God". (Acts 2, Acts 4). This goes well beyond "foresee" and "foreknow". It means "foreordination". Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray Him (John 6:64ff), yet still called Judas to come and follow Him. If I knew what was in store for Judas, I think I would have told him "get outta Dodge and don't look back. You'll thank me later." Instead, by calling Jesus to Him, Jesus made him all the more culpable, because now he's betraying a friend and not just some stranger.
@@timfoster5043 you know you're making a common philosophical mistake. If I somehow know ahead of time you were going to get up and turn on the TV because of psychic powers, I didn't make you get up and turn on the TV; I simply knew ahead of time you would do it
A righteous and sovereign God (the way christianity views it) is all Good and all powerful. A loving good God would not force his creation to love him and worship him(that wouldn’t be a good loving God). And that is what leads to free will.
God is good in wholesome ways, the wholesome ways that take effort, work and time to produce the favorable outcome you so want, ex, being faithful to your spouse to not break your vows made under god (for anyone this is difficult, the eye wanders and dirty thoughts can run rampant if unchecked.). on the other hand, the devil works in ways that _seem_ good at the time, but leave you without a satisfied feeling so you crave more and become more wrapped in sin, ex, having more than enough money but not giving a dollar or more to someone or something that truly needs it. while god is the true good, the true hope, the devil is _extremely_ good at masquerading.
@@moderncaleb3923 Why not? He gives answers based on a proper interpretation of the reality (Bible). He is not biased and very open minded. Although he was very influenced by William Lane Craig he is kind of agnostic, as he usually says, about the age of the Universe given by scientists (13.8 billion years). Although he is not a Charismatic like Craig Keener he is not a cessasionist and admits that miracles are possible even today performed by God through his people. In my opinion what he got it right is his understanding about the truth. When you are committed to the truth (theories, tests, laws of logic) than you are o a safe road. I wish he would influence even more people for Christ as he did in my life. "Stealing from God" and "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist" are my recommendation for every Christian.
Wise men don't believe in things without justification. There's no justification for believing in the supernatural, we have no way to confirm the supernatural, we have no way to know if the universe even "began" to exist. Yet Turek not only thinks he knows that the universe began to exist but he knows that it was created and he knows who created it. You can't get more arrogant than that.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Wise men actually, are people who are beyond what is physically limited. Wise men do not have to believe and not believe, in fact, what you're talking about are people with sight to see. Wise men are beyond that. They already knew before they start knowing (interesting enough). But I'll agree that he isn't as close to Solomon himself.
Crazy prayingmantis You already made two assertions without justification: 1) How do you know that there is no supernatural? 2) According to whose standard is Frank arrogant?
Even GOD cannot FORCE free-will creatures to freely CHOOSE him. Perhaps it's not POSSIBLE for God to create a universe in which EVERYONE will freely choose to follow him. Judas SAW the MIRACLES of Jesus, and yet STILL rebelled against him in his heart. I agree with Frank's answer about hyperbole - EVERYDAY we all use hyperbole, to make our point. E.g. "I've told you A THOUSAND TIMES, to take out the trash."
Your statement makes no sense as he knew all events and outcomes before creation. And truly only he could've altered our will. With an all knowing- all powerful being we have no free will
So God is powerful enough to create a universe but powerless to force free will creatures to choose him? So you're saying that God is impotent? Wow, that makes sense lol
Kraoking XYZ god did not choose to intervene I don't know if there is a God but according to the bible God can change free will by why give free will and intervene that defeats the purpose
@@MartTLS How can one 'intervene' when everything is predetermined? Doesn't 'Intervening' denote things can be changed/redirected towards a more favorable outcome? Also, how many times did God intervene only for the people to revert back to their old ways/nature? It's almost like choice is a factor here. Otherwise God would've just forced everyone to act just as he wanted and they simply align with and permanently and stick to it.
Umm..u really are closed minded arnt u? God created sin So he created sin to suffer Ur God must be weak if he gets mad and than floods his whole earth Ur god isn't all knowing BEcauSe if he was he wouldn't create Satan There for he wouldn't of have created sin Unless he wanted to world to suffer 🤷🏻♀️
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g**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
Every person born has free will, that is the gift God gives us. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the first ever pro choice advocate. Choose Him or not. No matter what you believe He still is. Just and right
I dont think you understand what pro-choice really means. Pro-choice is the side that agrees that abortions should stay legal. Just a minor error correction.
There really isnt any scriptural evidence to support "free will". God controls everything. People do not have a choice in their salvation. In Roman's 3 you will read how there is NONE righteous and how NONE Seek after God. If we are told that no one seeks after God the only conclusion left is that GOD does ALL the saving. You choose nothing.
maxinvasionleet The mere fact that we can choose to love him or not exemplifies our free will. Without free will, we are not free to love or free not to love.
@@JordoGarcia how do we "choose" to love him?. I already quoted to you that NO ONE seeks after God. So how could you choose to love him? You are incapable of loving him UNTIL he reveals himself to you.
Both Peter and Judas have sinned against Jesus, that night Judas betrayed Jesus and that morning Peter denied Him 3x, but Peter choose to come back while Judas choose to hang himself " FREE WILL "
@Christopher Guillory I consider myself a Calmenian, Chris. Free will but the saved cannot lose their salvation. However, I do believe a person can sin away any chance to be saved, i.e. Pharaoh and many of the Sanhedrin of Jesus' time being a good example. They hardened their hearts to the point that God hardened it even more for them. Before you question me (if you were going to) Romans 9 kinda backs me up on this. Just sayin'.
@@WeWantYouToStay In an earlier post somewhere in here I made it very clear that if I was forced to choose between Calvinism and Arminianism, I would choose Calvinism. There is too much in scripture to back up Arminias' view, also. I would venture to believe, though no longer one, being raised Catholic for so many years could have an effect on my theology. After Dr. Walter Martin passed away, Dr. White is today's leading Christian intellect in America (though, Ravi Zacharias is on that top tier list, too), especially when it comes to comparative religious studies.
When joozeus was arrested all his disciples fled away some naked .. How it may happen that 4 clowns who ran away and hid didn't witness the crucifixion wrote about it???
We have the freedom to choose whatever path we want. However we don’t have the choice of the consequences of our actions. “Duty is ours, consequences our God’s” -Gen. Thomas J. Jackson
asd**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@browserboy1984 According to basic reason. If I'm inevitably going to hell because I'm weak willed and make bad choices, unable to commit to God, then it would be better for me if I was never born. Living this life and enjoying it while it lasts isn't worth hell.
Hell is gonna suck for a lot of people. I’m still in awe that God even bothered with me, but here I am, born again and living clean five years later… thank you Jesus!!!
I think it's a missed point that God didnt actually create THIS world, he created a perfect world which gave the possibility of the fallen world we live in. I think this could be chalked up to the common theme of a creator's intention vs how his invention was used. Like the wright brothers and thier work with airplanes, they didnt design it with the idea of dropping a nuclear bomb or flying it into skyscrapers. It doesnt entirely answer the guys question I realize and I like Frank's answer better. Just a random thought
It would have been better if this hadn't come up in my recommended and I clicked on it. This guy wants to sound intelligent, but, it was a fail trying to make God look bad.
How so? I don't get the impression he wants to make God look bad. He seems very interested in trying to understand God. It can get confusing and dark when thinking from a human perspective on morality and good/evil. These things go deep, and many Christians wrestle with it.
I have read several exegesis of scholars regarding this passage, and none used Frank's hyperbolic approach. The life of the biblical characters was harsh, and sometimes felt unfair. -Adam' sin brought death on the world. -Aaron died because of Moses (disobedience) hitting the rock with his staff instead of talking to it. -God wanted to kill Moses for an unknown reason. -Abraham nearly killed his son on God's command. -Thousands of David's army died because he(David) boasted in his heart. -Isaiah was dismembered. -Steven was stoned to death. -John the baptist was beheaded. -Paul was beheaded. -Peter was crucified. -James was stoned to death. -Etc... We often try to dilute the text in order to see something more "loving" in it. When metaphors are used in the Bible it is often obvious, but Jesus' claim about Judas being hyperbolic, I'm not really sure. Judas betrayed God for money and died before the new covenant was made. But at the same time Judas' crime was part of God's plan to redeem humanity. Jesus seems to say that Judas will go through such a terrible "thing" that it would have been better for him to be never born. Well, I personally hope that Judas (and everybody else in this world) will be saved. Even though universalism is not a biblical concept.
nice-new that’s inaccurate Aaron didn’t hit the rock moses did. That’s why God took his life. Both God and Abraham knew that his child wasn’t going to die. God was just testing him to see if he would trust God.
Judas was not saved. Satan entered into him at the Last Supper, and Jesus referred to him as the son of perdition (eternal punishment). He also committed suicide. See John 13:26-27 and 17:12, and Matthew 27:3-5.
@@jairohernandez9538 Yes you're right, it was Moses. But Aaron died for Moses' mistake. I rectified my comment. About Abraham, I am not sure why God, being all-knowing, would need to test anyone to see their reaction. I always struggle with this kind of passage, because they seems harsh and bizarre.
nice-new “I’m not sure god being all knowing would need to test someone to see their reaction” I don’t think that is why he did it but IF that is why, it doesn’t have anything to do with his all knowing. If anything, it could’ve been to make a good bible story to teach people with. With that logic, you could say that God shouldn’t have created anything and just looked into the future to see who would believe in him IF he created the universe- but not actually create the universe and then put all those people in heaven. I think he asked Abraham to do that to actually give him the chance to choose - because that’s what free-will is.
I really believe God is good, and having satan betray Him in heaven where everything is perfect is proof that personalities with free will can go wayward even under the best circumstances
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Well.....depends on how you define free. Remember God is omniscient, God created Satan knowing he would fall. In fact God planned on Satan falling as part of his broader plan. Satan still appears to have a will as do we, but from God's perspective we are simply doing what he foresaw we would do. The idea of free will in the Christian worldview is rather strange if you actually read your Bible. Judas was prophesied to betray the lord years before he was born. Jesus told Peter, you will deny me 3 times. Could peter have chosen otherwise? Could judas have chosen otherwise? No, it was preordained the path they would walk. From Peter and Judas's perspective, I'm sure they believed they were making a free will choice not that they were acting out what had already been foretold. It is a very interesting topic nonetheless, especially when you get into a thought experiment. Say for instance in the book of revelations it state the antichrist will go into the temple and demand they stop making sacrifices. Is even the antichrist unable to escape his fate and do what the lord has already predetermined for him to do?
God is good, always because anything he does is good. It is not good because of my opinion, it is good because he has done it. God is the measure by which the word good has any meaning. He is the foundation upon which morality is built. God bless, the Book of Job is a great eye opener in this. John Piper has a wonderful and humbling sermon on the Book of Job.
@@Matt-bz5vg I think free will is a little different than we know. Like if we made a choice it created a multiverse. Like idk how to explain it, but every thing is doing God's will and not at the same time. God made them free so they can weave their own destiny but since God sees everything he already saw the future u were going to go through, and he saw this with infinite possibilities. Thus u have free will, but there are also other versions of you who made other choices and spawned other stories, therefore u have free will, just not in the sense u think cuz God sees every reality u will go through. Thats what I think atleast
Well then perhaps God will be saved in the end!
@@todddogg7817 God will be saved?? That is a bit of a blasphemous statement. I pray you don't actually think that. How can an eternal being that is perfect in every way need saved?
Jesus is saying to everyone who rejects him and dies in their sins and ultimately ends up in hell it would be better if that person had never been born:
That's a good explanation.
Yes, that’s right.
“John 13:2, the Last Supper, ‘The devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray him.’ So instances like this. Jesus calls Judas a devil in John 6. Jesus says it would be better for that man never to have been born than to do the things he has done. So I suppose we could multiply many examples from Scripture alone that point to the fact that Judas did not go to heaven: Its also my personal belief that a spirit filled person does not commit suicide.
@Allen Trey repenting of sins doesnt save you. He still didnt trust or believe in the Savior
@Allen Trey and what does this have to do with Judas?
This strangely made sense. God did it the best possible way for God to carry out his will while still giving us free will. Now that shows God's brilliance and power if you ask me.
You are absolutely correct
Are you serious?
HI
We do not have Free Will. When Eve sinned and ate the forbidden fruit she was COUNTERMANDING God's will, and this made a saviour necessary, because 'ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God'. ' Our Father who art in Heaven hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!' ' If you love me do my commands' NO FREE WILL! Only OBEDIENT will is acceptable! Jesus/ Yeshua OBEYED the Father unto the death of the cross! Because THIS was the Father's will! He said 'If it were possible take this cup from me, NEVERTHELESS not MY WILL but THINE be done. ' So called ''Free will' is really only ' Carnal will'. Peter said ' For there is none other name under heaven wherewith we MUST be saved'. Satan seemed 'Free' to Eve when he made her question God's command about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Was she exercising her ' Free will' when she decided to eat from it? NO she was putting herself ABOVE God's direct command which made her and Adam and their heirs forfeit rulership of the earth to Satan! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
Toosiya Brandt so you don’t have the freewill to eat the fruit or not?
@@toosiyabrandt8676 free will to choose for ourselves. We can live our lives for ourselves or for God.
We all must spread the good news while we still can. Be brave be bold be humble..... Hurry he is on his way.!!!
Amen
Why don't you just simmer down sir
@@dmo544 because millions of people are headed toward eternal damnation when all they have to do is ask Jesus. It is free and easy...I have no book nor anything else to sell you it just breaks my heart.
You have no idea, none, as to when he's coming back. What is soon? They've been saying that for 2,000 years. What's soon? Are you aware of what has to happen before he does? That could take 20 years. What is soon?
@@marktombazian6490 We're in a dimension of time. The brain can not comprehend the infinite. However, you are fulfilling prophecy in your simple claim.
Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:3-9
i would have added that it would be better for ANYONE of us to have not been born, if we willingly reject God's free offer of forgiveness
For what do I need to be forgiven?
I'm not one that ascribes all the horrible and ridiculous things that the Bible says about God to an actual God.
If God is truly perfect, I honestly believe those that believe in the Bible are indefensibly wrong.
@big poppa then who is God? educate me all-wise one
Dan E change the book try different authors.
@@dwo356 if you believe the Bible is wrong.. then I believe that you are in great trouble when your life on Earth is up
jaredontv....GOD is one who is eternal and alone he is nor a father neither a son ( nor he begets neither he is begotten ) he is the creator of universe. He look after his creation, he never sleeps nor he gets tired of it. He is the one who knows everything, his throne surrounds all of his creation and he is above all of it. He created everything out of nothing. He has no beginning and he has no end. We belong to him and we will return to him.
Examples of hyperbole in English:
1) I told you a million times.
2) I was so hungry I could eat a horse.
3) I was so embarrassed I could die.
4) I ate so much I could burst.
5) He would give you the shirt off his back.
6) He scared me to death.
While these expressions may or may not make sense if translated to other languages, fluent English speakers understand that they are not literal and not meant to be taken at face value.
Likewise, other languages have their own expressions that do not translate easily to English. Jesus’ words concerning Judas Iscariot is one such expression in the cultural and linguistic context of that day.
Hyperbole is really a lie and is not of God. "I told you a million times" is a lie if you only told me 30 times. God would not lie and does not condone lying.
@@LouisFGraham It's basically the context not the word itself.
@@Kaho there are at least 16 biblical references across both testiments saying do not lie and not one of them says wellllll, it depends, maybe, consider the context... it's very clear.
@@LouisFGraham Then you're missing the point, basically the lesson here is read it in context, you need to be aware of how you distinguish hyperbole from the literal meaning of the phrase.
Like for example in Deuteronomy 7 God said WIPE all the women, children, animals; then the next verse says don't intermarry with them. If you just wipe everybody out how can you intermarry with them, they're dead.
Is God a liar for saying that? NO, you reconcile this by distinguishing Hyperbolic language.
@@Kaho no God does not lie, if you believe in God, and these two versus are not in contradiction. They also have nothing to do with lying. Dont try to deflect and distract from the issue at hand. There is absolutely no reason for children of God to lie in any context. You're looking for an excuse or justification to lie. You can lie if you want. You have free will. Just be honest about it and accept that it's not Godly. We do tons of things all the time that are not Godly, lying by hyperbole is one of them. If you can lie through omission, certainly intentional lying through hyperbole is categorically a lie.
God could've killed Eve right on the spot before she went to Adam after her meeting with the serpent. God could've also kiled the serpent right before he tempted Eve.
But as we now know God had a long term plan to redeem mankind through his Son. What love is greater than this?
Yes my friend. This proves that God is with us in this mess as even He Died while we were yet sinners.
Also you're forgetting he knew Lucifer would turn against him even before he did.. And still didn't want to kill him, instead he put him in timeout from the most beautiful place n cast him to hell or as we say the center of the earth n made him a "super demigod..".. Which is the reason why we're even going through this mess.. So if he knew the problem n had the chance to just exterminate the virus.. Why not just do so? Why sacrifice so many lives even including his own self.. Yes jesus is not God's son Jesus is "God". God had to become man in order to say his creation from destruction. IE him self.. He Had to leave his "DNA" aka "Blood" or evidence of his existence... Death is the initial sacrifice... So when god sacrifice himself it elevated him to an even higher plain of consciousness.. The plain of Knowing everything.. And seeing everything becoming one with everything.. That why before just died he pray and said father "it is now finished." Because it was all a plan and the plan is far from over that was just part one of the "plan..." But aye maybe I'm just crazy..
@@godzboilevi8125 Yes God did not kill Satan. And God knows the right season for everything. We trust God had higher purpose which we cannot perceive today.
Sometimes we want God to work just as we think its would be best for us but we forget that HE is GOD and not WE*.
Amen, my dear brother in Christ!
Then why your God says would it be better for Judas had not be born? Sounds like he regrets of his own plan. Isn't whatever thing/decision that he decree is the best?
Opinion: God created all people with 100% free will. He separated himself from their free will so people can choose to truly love him, or not. This is the only way for true love to exist, it cannot be forced. That being said, he also knows/knew all the choices that people make/made before they happened. Judas was free to choose and Jesus was saying that would be better to never exist than to persecute/deny God. Rough to think about, but it does give good perspective on how we should live our lives.
Yup this is all a test of faith
So why let those non believers be born in the first place! Seems more practical to just let those who believe in him be the ones who enter the Earth. If the non believers have no choice at all and are destined to burn in Hell why even have them be born into this world... doesn’t sound like free will when God always knows who will love them.
@@CaptainAmercia The same reason he created Satan.
@@3dpulp278 Well half is workforce the angles rebelled against God I want to hear the Devils side of the story bibles pretty biased lol but yeah I think I prefer the Doom Eternal version in terms of the artistic depiction of heaven and hell.
@@CaptainAmercia Can't keep everyone happy 😀 Obviously I don't know the "why", but I am pretty sure it has to do with balance. The universe would be really boring if it was one-sided.
A Professor told his students, "There are no absolutes." Then a student said, "Are you sure about that Professor?" The Professor said, "Absolutely." - Adrian Rogers.
I noticed another paradox too. The statement, "I know nothing" is self contradicting because how would you know nothing if you KNEW that you knew nothing.
@@elifuller4862 Clever😌😊
@@jsj31313jj Thank you. I liked your joke by the way.
@@elifuller4862 for a man to say "i know nothing" does not mean he knows absolutely nothing, but any man in pursuit of knowledge is eventually faced with the vastness of knowledge, a great deal of which any man would admit that he wouldn't be able to acquire in this short life time. In view of that unacquirable knowledge in comparison to the miniscule fraction he has acquired, the wise man humbly acknowledges that he knows nothing. Nothing is not taken literally
Hehe
“The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
Proverbs 16:4 ESV
Judas lead and help jesus to his destine of being a blood sacrifice, question if so was judas apart of gods plan
@@eboniashante2764 where do you put Satan then, he is the sabotaged of our lives and then complain about God, God did create lucifer who is satan, so it's like we sin then out parents should go to jail, then no not parents but grandparents and up the heirarchy, which is not morally right, if we sin we are accountable.
Lame lames I don’t think that verse contradicts with free will. God made everyone, even those that are evil and would sin against him. We all have a choice, we were all created by him.
Lame lames Haven’t we all been wicked at one point towards another and still we are saved by God? We are all wicked, and we have all done evil. Even the saved.
KJV version says God makes everything for himself. “It’s purpose” in this translation makes it seem as if God is distancing himself from us, and we have scripture that counters that idea.
Without free will, true love wouldn't exsist
This guy gets it.
well said, God gives us free will so that we may choose to love Him, it makes me sad the people that reject the One that created and loved us so much.
Exactly!
@@largedoggo3194, However, Jesus said, "You did not choose me; I chose you". The faith we have (in Christ) is a gift from God.
@@jeffersonrundell7540 True but at the same time, after we get saved, we are always making a moment by moment choice to listen to God and follow His word. It wouldn’t have been true love if we were programmed without our free will and we always say yes to Him. It’s also not true love if we hear God speaking to our conscience but don’t listen and follow what He’s telling us. If He tells us “turn right” but we pretend we didn’t hear and turn left, it shows that we don’t love Him enough to listen. It’s not enough to repent of our sins and be saved the first time around, in order to show that we love God always, we got to listen to God always.
I love how this two are very calm and did not use insulting words in proving their point, they both have an open mind and accept each other's opinion
Not at all like dealing with commies
Not at all like dealing with commies of slothy people
not at all like dealing with druggies
sda**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
“Even my close friend, someone I trusted,
one who shared my bread, has turned against me.” - (Psalm 41: 9) -
That prophecy came true!
Hosea Dylan Lawrance they all did
I really feel u my best friend for 30 yes just blocked me 💔💔🤗🤗
@@hosead.l4639 Question: How is it a prophecy about Jesus? It's David that said those? He even mentions in that chapter that he committed sin .
Verses like that just show you how true the Bible is..
Frank is just a very calm and humble person. He talks to everyone with respect and calmness
@bravoman why do you think that?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Have you not seen him lose his rag with Christopher Hitchens.
Frank is brainwashed and deceived like the rest of the Christian so called experts. Wakeup! Wakeup! Wakeup! Wakeup!
@bravoman Hell is a separation from God so if you feel that being with God is dull then He gives the choice to be separated from Him. Like the guy says on the video God gave us free will so therefore God gives us a choice to be with Him or separated from Him. God is not going to incarcerate you in Heaven against your will, that's your choice if you want to be in Heaven or not.
1 Peter 5:7 “Turn all your anxiety over to God because he cares for you.” Jesus loves you dont give up on him!❤!
Why didn't he save the children at the Nazi concentration camps?
@@michaellangan4450 Why do you claim God for the evil in this world? You keep forgetting Satan, he is the one who makes all those things happen, and remember God gives us free will, those actions are caused by Satan and his hatred for humanity, God is so amazing that he gives us free will to do our actions and he respects that free will, but sometimes he warns us and we are stubborn and go on the wrong path.
@@michaellangan4450 that is mans doing. God gave us free will he cannot step in on everything or else that would defeat the whole purpose. Also satan has power over things as well... evil is NOT Gods doing
@@JS-tn9th Amen. Greatly explained
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I cant even begin to convey just how blessed I was by that 3 minute exchange.
af**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 God created everyone for his glory & his children for his pleasure. Ephesians says he will use the church to display his manifold wisdom to the powers & authorities in the heavenly realms. He will use the wicked to display his power too so that his “name” will be declared throughout the earth.
@@neptunianvibes Did God know some of his creation will be in eternal torture on hell before creating them?
@@fernandounda3681 I think so.
@@neptunianvibes Was God forced to created some persons knowing they spend eternity in torture on hell
The way he said “thank you” at the end shows his sincerity
Yes, I was thinking the same. Is refreshing to see that level of respect. Seems like he was genuinely seeking an answer to a question. No games, just seeking truth.
@Jacob Strom I disagree but I liked Hitchens. John Lennox soundly beat Hitchens and Hitchens was gentleman enough to admit it. So much more likeable than Dawkins.....who embarrasses himself in debates.
It was truly a great question to ask.
@Jacob Strom That isn't true. Hitchens was never a deep thinker. His talent was turning a phrase. When Hitchens was corned, he would resort to rhetorical tricks and ad hominems rather than addressing the point or admitting defeat. You mistake those tricks as the brilliance of Hitchens but it actually just signals his weaknesses.
"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
Proverbs 16:4
there is more:
*"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, (28) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."* Acts 4
*" For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. (18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. (19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? (20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? (21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (22) [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: (23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,"* Romans 9
Micholek
Yes! Praise the Lord - those are good I especially love romans - thank you
@@micholek6733 Gee, there's a surprise. Calvinists show up with their, "you see God created evil" argument.
K. Hamilton, Do not misinterpret this verse. What God is saying is that He created evil (which can be translated at "calamity" or "disaster") for the wicked (i.e. those who choose evil over righteousness). God has rightly judged and prepared a day for every person and every deed. Look at this verse as translated through NIV: "The Lord works out everything to its proper end-
even the wicked for a day of disaster." Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." God did not create Judas for evil. Judas chose for himself.
@@Jammaster1972 *" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (66) From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." John 6
Only God can make, by giving you His Spirit, that you will be given the desire to come to Him and persevere in salvation, because this is His Will, not yours. This is HIS choice and it is not a Calvinist invention, but God's real character who predestinated us to be save.
*"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, "* Ephesians 1:4
*"But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal. (5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."* Romans 4
*" (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)"* Romans 9:11
*"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: "* 2 thessalonians 13
2 Peter 3:9
King James Version
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
It seems like so these students always try to ask him "gotcha" questions, instead of trying to truly understand.
...Excellant response to his question btw
I agree and disagree. In most cases I think students are just trying to present a gotcha question, but in this case I truly believe this student wanted to understand the meaning behind what Jesus was saying.
@@frankcavaciuti5947 I am with you on that.
@@crystalstallion8662 Have a Blessed day.
what do you need to understand in something that isn't true
@@Contornus what isn’t true? There’s more evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ and His Apostles than any other person in history.
It amazes me that people try to hold the Father YHWH to the moral and ethical standards of wicked man. So Naive
True, and people need to remember, that YHWH. gave us free will. So, we are not robots, we are free to do what we want to do. Praise Him, or sin. It is sad that there is so much sin in the world today. But, He will forgive us, if we are truly asking for forgiveness. But, there is only one sin that is unforgivable. Isn't that amazing?
Yes that is , Halleluyah and Ahmein
@@micheletravis9057 u need to read your bible. Because God can and he does intervene with free will. He demonstrates this several times in the bible.
It amazes me when i see people still beg for his infinite mercy and justice if he cannot be held to the moral and ethical standard of wicked man....he will do whatever he like.... So naive....
@JERIN DEVASSY
(Quran 3:54, 7:99, 8:30) Allah is the greatest of all deceivers
Your effort to be deceptive is sad.
2:12 Coming from a middle eastern background, I can truly understand the poetic nature of Jesus's statement. In the west, people are more literal and detailed oriented. They take everything seriously (I see it as a good thing). In the middle eastern culture, that's not how people communicate.
So what does it mean then?
@@lllllllllllllllII He probably meant he didn't want Judas to be born because of the suffering he went through. But I don't know Hebrew, so I think you should listen to Turek on this.
@@mitchellc4 Go read the Gospel of John Chapter 1 until verse 18.
I'll summarise the important points:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.......And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father
Yes, Jesus is God.
@@mitchellc4 well it's both simple and complicated at the same time isn't it haha, as are all the things of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit, God the Father exists, being ONE with his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy spirit that is in both of them, and is of the Father, and thus of the Son, Jesus and God are DISTINCT in that they have their own personalities, however they are also one, and it's no surprise that a perfect Father (God) and perfect Son (Jesus) would also be very much the same, as the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and Jesus being ONE with God, and the Son, whom are both the alpha, omega, who always have been and always will be, the beginning, and the end, acts as a son, and God being the Father acts as a Father, even though they are ONE that is the order of Gods very nature, hence the Father is the head of Christ (the son) and Christ the head of man, and man the head of woman, and his children etc. God gave his Son Jesus an inheritance, as every good father is to give to his son, Jesus's inheritance was his name to be exalted above all others, and to have power over both heaven and earth, as scripture states. It all makes sense (as much as something like this can to a man i suppose haha) when you think about it, God the Father issued the orders of creation to his Son Jesus, who followed his fathers commands, and created all he was commanded, and in turn came to us and spoke his Fathers words as commanded, to all of us, for as Jesus said, he speaks not his own words, but the words of him who sent him. And we as Good servants and sons to Christ, should likewise obey etc, as should those who we are heads over. Hopefully i didn't butcher that too much lol, but this is my current understanding, and as paul says, "he who thinks he knows, knows not yet as he ought to know", perhaps one day this will be an incredibly easy to understand concept, but as of most things of God, for us humans, it's hard to comprehend. God bless you and keep you :)
@@mitchellc4 i didn't disagree that the Father is the head of Christ, it's clearly outlined in scripture...... That doesn't change that it's also scripture that as his inheritance he's given command of heaven and earth, and his name exalted above all others... nevertheless Christ will always be the Son, and our Father in heaven will always be the Father, and they will always simultaneously also be ONE with each other, and the holy spirit. God bless.
I'm distracted by the guy in blue shirt looking at the question asker....
Oh my hahahaha
He’s my mood
@Candy Maldonado gay
I'm distracted by the "mhmm mhmm mhmm"
I guess it would have been better if he had never been....sitting there.
Is it just me, or does the smarmy tone we hear often in Q & As kinda come across as the questioner not giving a rip about a valid, reasonable and thoughtful answer? Yet, this one seemed less smarmy and offered a genuine sounding 'thank you' at the end. Cool. I am encouraged.
*@**1:25** LMAO the guy in blue thinking:”bruhh get to the point”*
Why was you even looking at him😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
He looks like he's taking the question seriously.
ya sure you should use that
@@shamarwashington5574 his blue shirt , you see it even if you’re looking at the guy on the mic
I was thinking the same thing
It took him almost a week to get out his question.
a hyperbole? lol
What do you mean?
Frieza used many hyperboles in the namek saga like the planet blowing up in 5 minutes.
Like, what do you, like, mean it took him, like, almost a week to, like, get out his, like, question? I didn't notice!
I grew an entire beard by the time he finished his question😂🤣
I fixed a ham sandwich while he was asking his question. Came back, he was still asking the question.
dude, lol
You had a broken ham sandwich.
A dead animal sandwich
Lmao
You sound like a woman!!!!!
This was awesome! The question is many people's question, the answer hit the spot, especially the second part in which the lecturer schooled most of the audience that had the same human logic approach to God and his Word!
Turek's response was awful because his first assumption that we are free creatures is false.
d**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
@@fernandounda3681 That's the fallacy of Christianity and Turek's weird explanations. The truth is that EVERYONE rejects God because the flesh cannot please God. The carnal man in all of us cannot do a thing to please God but God does the calling and the choosing. He works in people to will and to do of His good pleasure. Hell and heaven are concepts invented by religion. There is no hell and heaven is not what you think it is.
@@therealgospelofchrist6823 8you arent`getting the problem
Lets put ourselves in God's shoes, as best as we can. if you know that if you have sex your wife will get pregnant , and the doctor says that if you have sex he know with 100% certanty that the baby will come out without legs, and KNOWING that the baby will come out without legs, would you choose to have sex, knowing that your child will suffer all his life.
If you say yes you are horrible parent. This is a better illustration,
@@fernandounda3681 So you think the issue is with God and not with man?
Remember 1/3 of the angels in heaven, choose to go against God
And 1/3 of people are saved to become angels.
@@ybbbby9065 Since when do people become angels?
@@dwo356 Please look it up. It is in the Bible. New Testament.
And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:34-36 KJV
@@ybbbby9065 That says they are equal to angels, not that they are or will become angels.
Good answer!
Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus. Believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead and you will be saved!
(Romans 10:9)
Christ makes life INCREDIBLE!!!
Judas had a free will whether to betray or not to betray Lord. He had choose to betray Lord and because of that action, he committed great sin by breaking the 1st of 10 God commandments (Love God).
He didn't really have a choice being destined to betray Jesus. When something is destined all other possibilities become rot. Whatever is destined to be will be no matter what. The guy had no more certain outcome than the one that happened. That's fate, you can't change it. It's set as a bigger plan that you don't control.
@Morphelia sometimes a person can do something so devastating that they don't come back from it, it changes who they are as a person and they go over the edge
@Morphelia God knows everything each person will ever do in their lives. Because He already knows, all we are really doing is just living out what He knows we will do into fulfillment. We really don't have the freedom to change it, because as God already knows it means it's set. Nothing surprises Him, every decision we make is simply already set from the beginning. What God knows will happen must happen, every step we take is only the fulfillment of the outcome that He has foreseen. If we truly had full freedom we could change our outcomes even from what was already set in place. Only God has that power and ability, but He doesn't not use it in our lives.
Bdwiatmadji he had free will true but him back stabbing Jesus played a hug role into his Crucifixion? Because if they didn’t find Jesus then he wouldn’t of been crucified?
@@mercedesreynoso4318 not too sure about that one, God knows all the possibilities you can choose from but for a creature to be free I don't think you can know what they will do in the future (since that hasn't happened, therefore it isn't knowable).
That was a whole amazing testimony and witness of the spirit. I learned alot here
JUDAS OBVIOUSLY BECAME THE TRAITOR...THAT TURNED ON HIS MASTER....WHICH IS ONE OF MANY REASONS WHY YOU NEED TO BE DELIVERED FROM THE CARNAL MIND......!!!!!.
@Ghost In The Shell's The Laughing ManRead Mark 7: 21...it details the traits of the carnal mind ...!!
@Ghost In The Shell's The Laughing Man THE FIRST THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND...IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOD CONCEPT...THE WORD CARNAL, MEANS ANYTHING OPPOSED TO THE SPIRITUAL REALM....WORLDLY, SENSUAL, BLOODTHIRSTY, ANIMALISTIC...IT IS CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN MARK 7:21-23...OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT SIN WHEN YOU'RE DEAD...
@Ghost In The Shell's The Laughing Man Your pets do not have souls....the lambs and calves, goats that were sin sacrifices...do not have souls...if so, then those who sacrificed them would be murderers in Gods eyes...You can kill a lamb, but you cannot murder it...
All the believers in Christ must be thankful to Judas Iscariot, when there's no Judas until now the Roman didn't found Jesus to be nailed in the cross where people are to be save.
We also learn about sneaky others in our lives through Judas...theres a reason for everyone and everything. God is the best.
Satan was created as a “free creature “ and became self deceived TURNING AWAY from his Creator; and the rest is history as they say...😎✝️❤️
We just know little of their existence Satan and God.
@sn00piedog and he let pride get to him which caused him to think he was greater than God. Then he got kicked outta heaven
I think you misspelled mythology.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 here's the million dollar question: which one?
My earphones made it sound like they were each speaking from either side of me and it was weird lol.
Same took my headphones off to see if i was trippin
They were probably recorded on different channels; one on the left and the other the right.
I like the way the teacher responded to the student and how there was mutual respect at the end.
Wow I love the way he put that. I've never heard that argument. It was nice to hear a faith filled answer it bring peace and joy to my heart Immediately. Thanks.
People mistake foreknowledge with predetermination. God knew what Judas would do, but it was still Judas choice to do so.
I think you also are mistaking people's choice to do what they do, with God's predermination that they would do it.
See Isaiah 10:5-19:
The Lord SENT the King of Assyria to Judah to punish them, to "trample them down like mud in the streets," Saying that the King of Assyria is "the rod of my anger" and "the club of my wrath." Then He (The Lord) says to the King "But this is not what he (the king) intends...his purpose is to destroy"
God then says (paraphrasing) even though I was the one who sent him and wielded him like an ax, he did what he did for his own wicked purpose and therefore I will punish him.
At one in the same time God ordained that the King of Assyria would do what he did and yet what the king did was by HIS wicked choice and was justly punished.
See also Isaiah 37:
"Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel, ‘Because you have prayed to Me against Sennacherib king of Assyria, this is the word which the Lord has spoken CONCERNING HIM:....“Did you not hear long ago
How I made it,
From ancient times that I formed it? Now I HAVE BROUGHT IT TO PASS, That you should be For crushing fortified cities into heaps of ruins."
God ordained it from "long ago" that the King of Assyria would be used as a "club" for "crushing fortified cities.." And yet, it WAS the king's "will" to do what he did. The free will of men to do what they "want" to do is not subverted by God's sovereignty and foreordaining of "whatsoever comes to pass."
That doesn't make sense
There was no choice.... You are saying that Jesus might've not been betrayed?? Judas could've not delivered Jesus to the Pharisees to be killed? No, no, and no. Jesus was slain before the foundations of the world. He was predestined to be killed so that salvation would be possible. It didn't just happen, this was God's plan from the beginning. Now we can debate over free will all you want, but free will is an assumption by man that is not affirmed in the bible. But free will is not possible since God is sovereign and he declares the end from the beginning and no one can stay his hand with their "free will". "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
" -Daniel 4:35. Now just because God predestined Judas to do what he did doesn't mean that Judas isn't responsible for it. Judas was born into sin with a fallen nature and God doesn't have to force any sinner to sin, he uses their sinful ways to fulfill his plans. As it is written in Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
@A Aron I think you make some good points. The only thing I'd add which is an elaboration from something else frank has said which is the timing at which Christ came into the world. He not only knew what would happen if he created every little minor detail of creation and all the possibilities but as part of those possibilities he foresaw that by doing everything in the way he did when would be the perfect time he needed to enter the world to deliver it to create the best possible outcome. God chose this exact way within his identity as perfection, and as perfection he knew this was the perfect way to interact with a severely imperfect world.
Glad to hear your thoughts on what I've written to make sure I'm not mistaken in any part.
Another saying I've heard is: (Because of prophecy) there had to be a Judas, but it didn't have to be Judas.
That was a "warning" mate, before he actually betrayed the Lord, the Lord Jesus was warning Judas beforehand of the consequences of his actions, should he choose to freely and willfully go through with his choice/action of betrayal.
And he didn't listen, smh.
Jesus didn't say this to Judas
@@shantor100 - yes he did, the Lord warn Judas "indirectly" in Matthew 26:24.
Matthew 26:20-25 (KJV)
20Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. 21And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. 22And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I? 23And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. 24The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto THAT MAN by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. 25Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
@Medicel Doctor - I'm not a Calvinist brother, nor does God "force" (program) anyone to commit sin. Just because God knew what you would do before the thought even entered your mind and used your willful actions for his glory and purposes, doesn't mean that he robbed you of your free will and force you to commit those sinful actions.
God is not a deceiving hypocrite.
James 1:13-15 (KJV)
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Judas was a money hungry thief from the beginning, he did what he did willfully when he gave in to his fleshly desires (Lust).
@Medicel Doctor - brother you can't blame Satan for every sinful action that we commit, for we in the flesh have a sin nature. Our flesh lives for the moment hence why we have an internal desire to do that which we know is wrong, Paul the apostle talked about this. Satan tempts us, yes, but our flesh always tempts regularly, hence why Paul said that we must wrestle with our old man daily. This aligns with what the Lord Jesus commanded us to do daily, when he said that we must deny ourselves (fleshly desires) and pick up their cross daily (resist and strive to turn from our sins daily).
I’ll just say this, God created a perfect world and then Satan put a hex on the world and here we are. The battle in the spirit world is coming over into our own plane. Be strong in the Lord
Satan is not evil him and god just play good cop bad cop 😂
Allen Anderson that was the point of my joke
God actually regretted creating the whole universe in the Genesis. Not because it was bad but because we failed so bad with our freedom. Alas, God was merciful so He pressed the reset button before we all doom ourselves with irredeemable evil.
Su Nam (Kevin) Jang I remember the day I read that verse, oh boy did it cut like a knife.....
Why god regret? Does he not know before creating?
@@kayka5090 God did that to show US we NEED a Savior. It was for OUR example. Otherwise, we'd all be wondering, Why, What if, Maybe not.. How come.. And so on..
The OT shows us our need for a Savior. The severity of our sin and the cost if f it and the payment that had to be made. It had to be a sinless/perfect person to bear the sins of this world, He even said the animal sacrifices weren't enough. God's perfect plan to save us, He came as a Man, like us, but perfect and sinless and took the punishment on the cross that we deserved, upon Himself. He paid the ultimate price for us so we don't have to. God made it so simple, even a child can understand. What amazing love He has for us. And all we have to do is receive Him into our hearts.
Amazing love!
God is so Good!
Profound.
J Don God didn’t fail, he simply chose to give us free will, otherwise He’d have created robots, and as God is outside of time, what happened 6000 years ago, to God that was only 6 days ago, but yet, no 1 is forcing you to believe, did anyone force you to watch the video, nope, you chose to, same as it’s your choice if you wanna live in eternal paradise 1 day....., or the other option, as God is the creator, it’s a bit like the CEO and founding person of a business, it’s you choice to be part of that company if you’re offered a position.....
He did create a universe where everyone is saved. Then Adam sinned, and through one man, sin entered the world. Then God became flesh, and was hung on the cross, and became sin, who knew no sin, so that we can be saved through faith in Jesus, if we trust that Jesus took our sin upon Himself from us.
Why bother with all the indirect way of getting to it? Getting to it to have his son tortured and murdered? It flies in the face of logic...and God gave us logic (for good reason!) if their is a God!
@@jeffjones3040 "If *there* is a God not *their* as in personal.
@@jeffjones3040 because our world is so perfect that it is completely up to us to either embrace or reject God, therefore the world is presented to us in such a perfect manner.
@@VictorCardena3 ....I hope you are being sarcastic, because this world is not perfect.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge ....Your comments are childish and the thoughtless repetition of nonsense. Learn to think.
Many errors spring from misunderstanding hyperbole in the Gospels.
Bryan Jacobs man that is so true
The statement in question seems fairly straightforward. Not being born is better than going to hell. If this is hyperbole, how are we to distinguish _anything_ Jesus says from hyperbole?
@White Wolf I agree that the "eye of a needle" quote is clearly hyperbole. The Judas quote isn't clearly hyperbole at all. Isn't it just straightforwardly true?
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It was prophesied that Jesus would be betrayed by someone close to him for 30 pieces of silver. If Judas wasn't born, then it would have been someone else that would have been born and betrayed Jesus. Also the question assumes punishment. We don't know that Judas will not be resurrected, forgiven, and humbled before God.
"The phenomenal...A...J....Styles" Hopefully pulls the victory out at WrestleMania haha
Everyone who has been born is going to live forever ,everyone but it's up to that person to decide if they want to live in the kingdom or in the lake of fire....both of them are eternal (forever)
I feel so sad n afraid that one lifetime will decide eternal glory or hell..I pray God have mercy on us.
@@peaceout8856 Do you really think God is the author of such evil nonsense?
@@therealgospelofchrist6823 I didn't get you..kindly enlighten me.thanks.
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I love your energy when you’re answering questions 🤍🤍
b**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
The verse makes us consider the consequences of sin. It's simple- he lived and sinned. If Judas hadn't been born, he wouldn't be responsible. But, since he lived and made the sinful choices he did, death resulted.
Every time i see these, I always end up reflecting on Jesus answering the trick questions of the teachers of the law and Pharisees.
When I first started listening to the fellow's question, I ALSO thought he might have been attempting to present Frank with an unresolvable conundrum. However, at the end, I got the impression his question was SINCERE, after all.
@@LoveYourNeighbour. I would also say the same conclusion was drawn by the keeper of the law who asked the greatest commandment.
@J Don you should look into the end of the disciples.
@J Don No, they don't.
@J Don If he wasn't, I wouldn't be a Christian today. I'd remain an atheist and a nihilist.
There is still an unknowability of GOD which our human minds can't fully comprehend.
Yes very mysterious
Stumbled on this channel somehow but liking the videos very much. God bless.
Frank is really good... He has debated Christopher Hitchens also.. and his answers are so specific to the question asked.. he is just awesome... Led by Holy Spirit... :)
The black guy's facial expressions whom is sitting in the audience are just hilarious lmaooooo he is amazing lol
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I'm more distracted by the constant "mhm" at the very beginning.....like he's having to validate extremely loud that he understands lol
Joseph Tardieff lol 😂 that’s what makes him laugh. He’s just like me I would’ve been the same
@@itssauveur Lol my first thought was "wtf"?
These videos are so addicting. There is so much to learn! I love it. Thank you, sir!
Watch Pastor Anderson bible way to heaven
How does this guy come up with answers like that? Incredible
God didn't create us to be robots. He created us to have free will, to choose to do good or evil. Judas chose to do evil, and Jesus saw that he was going to betray Him.
It was the plan of God to come into this world as a man (Jesus) to die for our sins, and be risen on the third day. But what I don't believe, and I would like for you to give a scripture for, is that Judas was born to betray Jesus. It was his choice, and Jesus saw that he was going to make that choice.
Do you remember the story of Adam and Eve? They had a choice, choose to obey God and live or disobey God and die. They chose to disobey, and it wasn't God who made them disobey.
@@othellostewart8173 Thats the thing that bothers me, you talk about god and how he has a plan and then go on to say that he gives us free will to choose but dont those things contradict? A plan is a set of steps that we need to follow where as free will is about doing whatever you want with your life. And you mention that god created Judas just so he could betray Jesus because his plan required it and then later on make him commit suicide for the thing he had to do just so gods plan worked, doesnt that sound the least bit screwed up to you?
We have free will to choose to live according to his words or commandments. Which if we do, will be counted worthy to live with Him in heaven. But if we choose to disobey the word of God or live in sin, will be cast into the lake of fire on the day of judgement.
And I think you are mixing up my comments with the other person's. I never said that Judas was born to betray Jesus. It was the other person's point, in which I disagreed.
@@othellostewart8173 first off sorry for mixing comments up, its nice that you think that it is screwed for god to do something like that. Second off, you still arent addressing the question. If god has a plan for everything then wouldnt that neglect free will since free will is where we choose how we wish to live our life? From what i understand from your definition of free will, we get to choose whether we follow god or not, id like to add, but if youre an atheist or non-religious or anything else that does follow god then you get to be horribly tortured in hell.
I took a nap at the start of the video when I woke up the kid was still asking his question 😃
Don't make fun.
rhpicayune Hahahaha
@@midnightcasinova don't assume.
Quite arrogant for a valid question. That guy is definitely a believer furthering his understanding. I️ bet you’re solely intrigued by the “who created God” “why are we here” type questions. Step off.
Right,? Haaaa
Wow, great question, and even better answer. Definitely open my eyes and mind for God
I liked the examples of hyperbole given here. I have been striving to gain an understanding of how Love, choice, and suffering fit together.
"Best possible way to get To the best possible world." I love that because it is so true.
It's a valid argument but you are seriously over reaching to claim it is the truth. It could be true, which is enough for the sake of argument. But we can't *know* that it's true, and so it's not within our moral authority to behave as though it is
@@ianfitchett2768 human have the power to choose freely in this universe, free meaning they are free to choose whatever they want and whom to love, to suggest God to create a good universe and only good human is no different than a robot cause all human in that universe will be programed to do only good things, hence, No free will.
@@hunter-ry3tl God created the perfect world under the perfect circumstances for humanity to have knowledge of good and evil. There is no such thing as free will. It's an illusion. You only think you have free will because you are able to choose what you prefer with your available resources and circumstances.
I love how everyone who comes up gets stank faced by that guy in the blue shirt 😂
That blew my mind. I was hungry for something to answer one of my own questions and this had a sling to shoot me to it. Thanks
Thank you for not doing the typical “if it’s not in *the Bible, we aren’t supposed to know. Ask God and forget about it” response… the church is dying because of the response I mentioned. Ty
See and I was seeing it as Jesus saying if he had never been born then his soul would still be saved. Because the souls of children that have never been conceived would be with God but a soul conceived and born and rejects God is lost for eternity?
Frank Turek is awesome keeping it biblical on point I gotta keep studying people got questions you gotta give them Explanations with God’s Word in right context
I thought of it different maybe God told him it was better for him not to be born because of how he ended his life.... "if he wasn't born he would not suffer what he is going to suffer" Jesus knew what was gonna happen to him that's why he said what he said.... that's my opinion, but the guy made a good argument maybe he's right... so yeah gotta keep studying lol
@@JuanGonzalez-hu1nr Jesus was talking about the betrayal. The one that has the power and authority to eternal life is the one Judas decides to stab in the back over silver. After that he felt his actions made him unredeemable.
@@charleskent8090 I love Jesus response to that however:
"What is it to you? If I want him to live this world until i return, then what is it to you?"
He basically said that even though Judas did that, he is the only one who determines where he goes.
Do we have a reliable method to determine if a God actually exists?
@@LeonCamero Jesus said that you and I determine where we go based on the choices you make. He says in Deuteronomy 30:19 "
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live. Every choice that we ever make will be in favor of life or death.
There should be only one answer to this actually proper question.
“The LORD has made all things for himself: yes, even the wicked for the day of evil.”
That's a biblical answer and would present problems for molinism. Remember the proper politically correct apologetic answer, start with man and man's will at the center of everything, and then interpret the bible from there. Don't try to interpret the bible with christ as the focus, otherwise that would mean that it isn't all about us and it isn't all about preserving our "free will". ;-)
2 Corinthians 4:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
Son of Nun Son of Nun oh well. Someone needs a Ghost of the lamp someone needs GOD, someone puts his life into the bible someone put parts of the bible in his life... who do you wanna please that is the question? Man or God? Because if you chose the first you can not be for God... 👌🏾 (i see what you did there) 😉🙏🏾
Ashley Pollard Something is telling me that you know (exactly) what you talking about. 👌🏾
Ashley Pollard it is FAAAR outweighs them all!!!
The best possible WAY to get to the best possible world 🌎 Well said Dr. Turek. We will never endure the sufferings that Jesus did but the suffering of this world will result in eternity with the creator for those that believe (have faith).
Wow.. I extremely love that explanation. Amazing
Agreed
Frank can really pack a lot of information, within only 3 minutes!
It is indeed a great answer. It's just not a biblical answer.
I agree!
Which is better, going to hell or not being born? How is it hyperbole to say the latter?
Jesus Christ is Lord 👑🙏Maranatha
He is prophet jesus christ peace be upon him.
@@Tausif057 Jesus Christ is LORD. NOT A PROPHET
Bull Whipz then what is the difference between you and hindus ? You’re not following monotheism , hindus believe god came down and took avatar as a human i think it sounds similar to your ideology. Christianity have to decide weather they are poly or monotheistic.
Good answer. I would like to add that from a philosophical standpoint, good (or the demonstration of good) cannot be recognized without evil.
You can't be a winner unless there are losers.
Exactly, Frank uses this as in arguement most of the time to atheist by saying if god didn't exist we wouldn't what it is good or evil.
And some people still think ''they should'nt be born''...
I pity them.
I hope God's Love can reach them.
foreknowledge is not foreordination. Judes had free will. The passage simply is idiom for "Judas royally screwed himself. "
Yuply.
The problem is that Peter describes Christ's betrayal and death as "predestined plan of God". (Acts 2, Acts 4). This goes well beyond "foresee" and "foreknow". It means "foreordination".
Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray Him (John 6:64ff), yet still called Judas to come and follow Him. If I knew what was in store for Judas, I think I would have told him "get outta Dodge and don't look back. You'll thank me later."
Instead, by calling Jesus to Him, Jesus made him all the more culpable, because now he's betraying a friend and not just some stranger.
@@timfoster5043 you know you're making a common philosophical mistake. If I somehow know ahead of time you were going to get up and turn on the TV because of psychic powers, I didn't make you get up and turn on the TV; I simply knew ahead of time you would do it
@@timfoster5043 What J SD said.
J SD Well said
at the root of all atheistic and anti God thought is the this one fundamental question, Is God good?
Yes he is
@@Loverw123 no
He is the only one that is good.
A righteous and sovereign God (the way christianity views it) is all Good and all powerful. A loving good God would not force his creation to love him and worship him(that wouldn’t be a good loving God). And that is what leads to free will.
God is good in wholesome ways, the wholesome ways that take effort, work and time to produce the favorable outcome you so want, ex, being faithful to your spouse to not break your vows made under god (for anyone this is difficult, the eye wanders and dirty thoughts can run rampant if unchecked.).
on the other hand, the devil works in ways that _seem_ good at the time, but leave you without a satisfied feeling so you crave more and become more wrapped in sin, ex, having more than enough money but not giving a dollar or more to someone or something that truly needs it.
while god is the true good, the true hope, the devil is _extremely_ good at masquerading.
i just finished the full Matthew chapter today😳🥳. Jesus really providing signs😇. (not that i doubted it😛)
Great question! Good ups for Nathan for fellowshipping and seeking truth!
This man is a truly wise man.
Rocio he has knowledge, I wouldn’t go as far as to call it wisdom...
@@moderncaleb3923 Why not? He gives answers based on a proper interpretation of the reality (Bible). He is not biased and very open minded. Although he was very influenced by William Lane Craig he is kind of agnostic, as he usually says, about the age of the Universe given by scientists (13.8 billion years). Although he is not a Charismatic like Craig Keener he is not a cessasionist and admits that miracles are possible even today performed by God through his people. In my opinion what he got it right is his understanding about the truth. When you are committed to the truth (theories, tests, laws of logic) than you are o a safe road. I wish he would influence even more people for Christ as he did in my life. "Stealing from God" and "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist" are my recommendation for every Christian.
Wise men don't believe in things without justification.
There's no justification for believing in the supernatural, we have no way to confirm the supernatural, we have no way to know if the universe even "began" to exist.
Yet Turek not only thinks he knows that the universe began to exist but he knows that it was created and he knows who created it.
You can't get more arrogant than that.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Wise men actually, are people who are beyond what is physically limited. Wise men do not have to believe and not believe, in fact, what you're talking about are people with sight to see. Wise men are beyond that. They already knew before they start knowing (interesting enough).
But I'll agree that he isn't as close to Solomon himself.
Crazy prayingmantis You already made two assertions without justification: 1) How do you know that there is no supernatural? 2) According to whose standard is Frank arrogant?
Even GOD cannot FORCE free-will creatures to freely CHOOSE him. Perhaps it's not POSSIBLE for God to create a universe in which EVERYONE will freely choose to follow him. Judas SAW the MIRACLES of Jesus, and yet STILL rebelled against him in his heart. I agree with Frank's answer about hyperbole - EVERYDAY we all use hyperbole, to make our point. E.g. "I've told you A THOUSAND TIMES, to take out the trash."
Your statement makes no sense as he knew all events and outcomes before creation.
And truly only he could've altered our will.
With an all knowing- all powerful being we have no free will
LoveYourNeighbour
There’s no such thing as freewill or he wouldn’t have kept intervening.
So God is powerful enough to create a universe but powerless to force free will creatures to choose him? So you're saying that God is impotent? Wow, that makes sense lol
Kraoking XYZ god did not choose to intervene I don't know if there is a God but according to the bible God can change free will by why give free will and intervene that defeats the purpose
@@MartTLS How can one 'intervene' when everything is predetermined? Doesn't 'Intervening' denote things can be changed/redirected towards a more favorable outcome? Also, how many times did God intervene only for the people to revert back to their old ways/nature? It's almost like choice is a factor here. Otherwise God would've just forced everyone to act just as he wanted and they simply align with and permanently and stick to it.
BECAUSE, HE LET THE ENEMY
MAKE THE BAD CHOICE FOR HIM. IN LIFE WE HAVE TWO CHOICES. CHOOSE EITHER
HEAVEN OR HELL.
JOHN 3:16
100% correct Elvira! I don`t want to go to Hell and I`m not basing my future on anyone except our Blesses Savior Jesus Christ! Amen! Jesus bless!
Umm..u really are closed minded arnt u?
God created sin
So he created sin to suffer
Ur God must be weak if he gets mad and than floods his whole earth
Ur god isn't all knowing
BEcauSe if he was he wouldn't create Satan
There for he wouldn't of have created sin
Unless he wanted to world to suffer
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Very good question and very good answer. Cant wait to be able to talk to the Lord about this someday.
I think the question can easily get into the predestination discussion. Pharaohs hardened heart also came to mind as the student was speaking
Logan, Exactly! It turned out that god was puppeting Pharaoh all along!!
The question is not the problem here.... the mic being ducked tape is. :P
I LOVE THIS MAN FOR ASKING THIS TOUGH QUESTION!
What a trippy question and response...great discussion. Glad I caught it!
Free Will continues, whether God walks with you....or not....
So Essentially: “Judas, omae wa mou shindeiru!”
And Judas saith unto him: "nani?!"
@@hewhositsuponfroggychair5722 now he's in the 9th circle for treachery
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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God-theos
Monos theos
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Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
There is so much wrong with that question but the presenter did a good job of answering. And I like that no one had to shriek and run to a safe space.
Thank you Frank
The Lord has great reward for you
Praise Jesus
g**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
I like the fact that the asker mentioned Molinism.
Every person born has free will, that is the gift God gives us. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the first ever pro choice advocate. Choose Him or not. No matter what you believe He still is. Just and right
Cheryl Kehoe Amen!
I dont think you understand what pro-choice really means. Pro-choice is the side that agrees that abortions should stay legal. Just a minor error correction.
There really isnt any scriptural evidence to support "free will". God controls everything. People do not have a choice in their salvation. In Roman's 3 you will read how there is NONE righteous and how NONE Seek after God. If we are told that no one seeks after God the only conclusion left is that GOD does ALL the saving. You choose nothing.
maxinvasionleet The mere fact that we can choose to love him or not exemplifies our free will. Without free will, we are not free to love or free not to love.
@@JordoGarcia how do we "choose" to love him?. I already quoted to you that NO ONE seeks after God. So how could you choose to love him? You are incapable of loving him UNTIL he reveals himself to you.
“Mhm , mhm , mhm, ” by your patience possess your soul let the kid talk
Both Peter and Judas have sinned against Jesus, that night Judas betrayed Jesus and that morning Peter denied Him 3x, but Peter choose to come back while Judas choose to hang himself
" FREE WILL "
This is not a very hard question for the average lay Christian to answer.
@Christopher Guillory I consider myself a Calmenian, Chris. Free will but the saved cannot lose their salvation. However, I do believe a person can sin away any chance to be saved, i.e. Pharaoh and many of the Sanhedrin of Jesus' time being a good example. They hardened their hearts to the point that God hardened it even more for them. Before you question me (if you were going to) Romans 9 kinda backs me up on this. Just sayin'.
To be fair, the questioner misunderstood the what Jesus meant when he uttered those words about Judas.
@@davidhall2197 Romans 9 clearly explains that we can't choose salvation by our own free will
@@WeWantYouToStay In an earlier post somewhere in here I made it very clear that if I was forced to choose between Calvinism and Arminianism, I would choose Calvinism. There is too much in scripture to back up Arminias' view, also. I would venture to believe, though no longer one, being raised Catholic for so many years could have an effect on my theology. After Dr. Walter Martin passed away, Dr. White is today's leading Christian intellect in America (though, Ravi Zacharias is on that top tier list, too), especially when it comes to comparative religious studies.
When joozeus was arrested all his disciples fled away some naked ..
How it may happen that 4 clowns who ran away and hid didn't witness the crucifixion wrote about it???
No other worlds/Universe ..., just us!
We have the freedom to choose whatever path we want. However we don’t have the choice of the consequences of our actions.
“Duty is ours,
consequences our God’s”
-Gen. Thomas J. Jackson
Oooo I like your comment 👏👏👏👏👏😁😎
I love the level of respect between the two of them. Great question and clear, understandable answer!
asd**-This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him.
Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven?
Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.
Choice is overated in the grand scheme of things - Especially when some of those choices result in eternal torment.
According to... You?
@@browserboy1984 According to basic reason. If I'm inevitably going to hell because I'm weak willed and make bad choices, unable to commit to God, then it would be better for me if I was never born. Living this life and enjoying it while it lasts isn't worth hell.
@@dimains6011 "better"
Is there any referent or metric used to define "better" other than your feelings?
...that's still according to you...
@@browserboy1984 When God says something is better, I trust him. Peace to you.
@@dimains6011 It's unreasonable to trust something you don't believe in, but peace to you all the same.
without the Holy Spirit, it's just man's best guess!
the best possible of worlds is the new heavens and new earth and new jerusalem
Hes not talking about a place though.
Hell is gonna suck for a lot of people. I’m still in awe that God even bothered with me, but here I am, born again and living clean five years later… thank you Jesus!!!
We're you an addict?
"Best possible way to get to the best possible world."
I think it's a missed point that God didnt actually create THIS world, he created a perfect world which gave the possibility of the fallen world we live in. I think this could be chalked up to the common theme of a creator's intention vs how his invention was used. Like the wright brothers and thier work with airplanes, they didnt design it with the idea of dropping a nuclear bomb or flying it into skyscrapers. It doesnt entirely answer the guys question I realize and I like Frank's answer better. Just a random thought
It would have been better if this hadn't come up in my recommended and I clicked on it. This guy wants to sound intelligent, but, it was a fail trying to make God look bad.
How so? I don't get the impression he wants to make God look bad. He seems very interested in trying to understand God. It can get confusing and dark when thinking from a human perspective on morality and good/evil. These things go deep, and many Christians wrestle with it.
I have read several exegesis of scholars regarding this passage, and none used Frank's hyperbolic approach.
The life of the biblical characters was harsh, and sometimes felt unfair.
-Adam' sin brought death on the world.
-Aaron died because of Moses (disobedience) hitting the rock with his staff instead of talking to it.
-God wanted to kill Moses for an unknown reason.
-Abraham nearly killed his son on God's command.
-Thousands of David's army died because he(David) boasted in his heart.
-Isaiah was dismembered.
-Steven was stoned to death.
-John the baptist was beheaded.
-Paul was beheaded.
-Peter was crucified.
-James was stoned to death.
-Etc...
We often try to dilute the text in order to see something more "loving" in it.
When metaphors are used in the Bible it is often obvious, but Jesus' claim about Judas being hyperbolic, I'm not really sure.
Judas betrayed God for money and died before the new covenant was made.
But at the same time Judas' crime was part of God's plan to redeem humanity.
Jesus seems to say that Judas will go through such a terrible "thing" that it would have been better for him to be never born.
Well, I personally hope that Judas (and everybody else in this world) will be saved. Even though universalism is not a biblical concept.
nice-new that’s inaccurate Aaron didn’t hit the rock moses did. That’s why God took his life.
Both God and Abraham knew that his child wasn’t going to die. God was just testing him to see if he would trust God.
Judas was not saved. Satan entered into him at the Last Supper, and Jesus referred to him as the son of perdition (eternal punishment). He also committed suicide. See John 13:26-27 and 17:12, and Matthew 27:3-5.
@@jairohernandez9538 Yes you're right, it was Moses. But Aaron died for Moses' mistake. I rectified my comment.
About Abraham, I am not sure why God, being all-knowing, would need to test anyone to see their reaction.
I always struggle with this kind of passage, because they seems harsh and bizarre.
nice-new “I’m not sure god being all knowing would need to test someone to see their reaction”
I don’t think that is why he did it but IF that is why, it doesn’t have anything to do with his all knowing. If anything, it could’ve been to make a good bible story to teach people with. With that logic, you could say that God shouldn’t have created anything and just looked into the future to see who would believe in him IF he created the universe- but not actually create the universe and then put all those people in heaven.
I think he asked Abraham to do that to actually give him the chance to choose - because that’s what free-will is.
So Beautiful, Thank you Jesus.