The Experiment Podcast: How a Civil War Expert Gave Up the ‘Lost Cause’ Myth
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The “lost cause” myth-the idea that the Civil War was about northern aggression, not slavery-continues to circulate. Historian Ty Seidule doesn’t believe that anymore, though he only came to the realization well into his career as an Army officer and a history professor. His book Robert E. Lee and Me deconstructs the legacy of the top Confederate general and unpacks the enduring “lost cause” ideology. In this episode of The Experiment, the correspondent Tracie Hunte talked with Seidule about why unlearning the mythology surrounding Lee took him so long, and the host, Julia Longoria, considers what it might take for other white Americans to do the same.
This episode was originally published on March 4, 2021.
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The cult of Robert E Lee is disturbing
"Disturbing" is exactly right.
How? Just wondering.
Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
Even if Robert E Lee had been a gentleman who was reluctantly fighting the north out of duty to Virginia and the South as I grew up hearing, it wouldn't change the reality of what it really was. It would make him misguided but still wrong. But the reality is worse.
USA vs CSA
Lee fought the USA.
Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
This is an excellent podcast!
The fact that people still buy into the Lost Cause Myth both annoys me and makes me sad. Becoming educated on the facts is SO easy, yet people choose violence. 🙄
Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
Was this supposed to sound exactly like an episode of This American Life?
How to convince people who are like the historian to give up on the lost cause myth, would not be too difficult, but convincing people who refuse to educate themselves on the truth is where the real challenge is.
Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
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This guy is on something.
Let me guess. You think every opinion that's different than yours is wrong and therefore anyone that disagrees with you is on something.
Farmers don't beat their tractor or corn picker so why would they beat a slave? You can beat him but then you have to pay the doc to fix him and if the slave died it cost the farmer a lot of money to replace him. Think about it....
Tractors aren’t sentient beings with a desire for their own autonomy.
JFC, they raped their slaves to make more slaves. They beat them and hobbled them because they believed they could overpower them. Also, whips and chains were used to harness the power of many beasts of burden (oxen & mules, etc.). How naïve do you have to be to think that they’d ever pay a doctor to “fix” a slave? They cared more for their livestock because it couldn’t fight back. It was illegal to teach Blacks to read and write because they might get notions they’re just as smart and capable as their enslavers. A slave who runs away is worth nothing. A slave who fights back is worth less than nothing. Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking that the whole enterprise wasn’t predicated on coercion and subjugation through abuse and deprivation.
Please tell me the difference between what you claim the south was like and what or government does to everyone today.
I don't really know but probably for a similar reason why an abuser will beat their partner but not their sex doll.
To teach the rest and keep them in line 🙄
Damned apologists!
The woman speaking is wrong and right. If she actually studied the Civil War like I have for years. Then she would know the Civil War started because Abraham Lincoln didn't like the southern states were succeeding from the Union and trying to start there own "country". Lincoln didn't want this. There were Northern slave owner states and even northern states who weren't slave states but sided with all slave owning states. So the war started due to succession. It wasn't until 1863 that Lincoln then added into the reasoning of the continuation of the war was due to abolishing slavery. I really wish people would do their own research and learn about the war
Despite your obvious misstatements, Lincoln along with all Unionists were appalled by secession of the 7 Deep South states and the theft of Federal property, cessation of the mail service and suspension of the justice system. He was a key mover of the FIRST 13th Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing that the Federal gov't could never interfere with slavery in the states where it existed (February 1861). First state to ratify was Kentucky - second was Ohio. No northern state "sided" with the 7 departed states - all were opposed to secession, as were the Southern border states. Of course, the amendment didn't work because. South Carolina began the war by shooting on and invading Federal property when there was no threat to them at all. Once hostilities began, it was clear that the war (unless the rebels won) would destroy slavery.With the exception of the minority abolition extremists, the north did not go to war over slavery, much to the disgust of the world. It went to war to preserve the Union just as it was - with slavery to continue in the places where it existed. In fact, it was secession that destroyed slavery. Lincoln could do nothing about slavery in the South (or the North) and did not attempt any such thing until the war changed the reality. By the end of 1862, freeing blacks and bringing them into the army etc. was within his war powers as president. And by military necessity, the Emancipation Proclamation (which applied only to places that the government did NOT control) was issued. I don't doubt that Lincoln morally abhorred slavery but neither he nor the North went to war to do anything about slavery. It was South Carolina and the other 6 Deep South states that went to war to preserve slavery from a threat that did not exist. And Virginia, North Carolina etc. went to war because Lincoln ANNOUNCED the call-up of state forces to hold, retake and keep the country in one piece. And of course the 13th Amendment preserving slavery went down in flames and the real 13th Amendment freeing all slaves took its place. I really wish too that people would do research and learn stuff.
You have totally convinced me with your many and rampant misspellings. /S
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Conscripting free men and and emancipating slaves
Nevermind how many of those people that were emancipated ultimately starved to death
Nevermind how many founding fathers that explicitly said secession was constitutional
Nevermind how incredibly racist Lincoln was and his tyranny
Why did the 95% of southerners that didn't own slaves fight ?
The North tried slavery,too many died for it to me practical
Why do Americans that say they abhor slavery gloss over gulags and operation keelhaul ?
What about the 250k freed blacks in the south pre war ?
What about John Brown killing a family that owned zero slaves first?
But why is conscripting free men to die to free others so they can starve to death the height of morality ?
It's so problematic that buildings are named for white men who gave their lives to defend the nation. Is that really the message that this journalist wants to convey? Is she bothered by the convention of naming buildings for people or simply for people whom she doesn't know?
As long as people who fought against USA, and killed US soldiers in mass to perpetuate ,and extend slavery are not considered amoong those white men.