The STRANGEST Playoff Tiebreaker in NFL HISTORY | 1975 NFL Playoffs
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- In the 1975 NFL season, the Los Angeles Rams and Minnesota Vikings were tied with identical 12-2 records for the #1 seed in the NFC. How did the tie get broken? It was dangerously close to being broken by the flip of a coin. This is the story behind how a coin flip almost determined the seeding in the 1975 NFL playoffs.
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Members of the 1975 Vikings:
Fran Tarkenton
Neil Clabo
Fred Cox
Bob Berry
Bob Lee
Bobby Bryant
Joe Blahak
Paul Krause
Jeff Wright
Terry Brown
Autry Beamon
Brent McClanahan
Robert Miller
Dave Osborn
John Gilliam
Nate Wright
Chuck Foreman
Pete Athas
Ed Marinaro
Jeff Siemon
Mick Tingelhoff
Fred McNeill
Amos Martin
Bob Stein
Wally Hilgenberg
Matt Blair
Roy Winston
Ed White
Steve Lawson
Andy Maurer
Charles Goodrum
Doug Sutherland
Jim Marshall
John Ward
Ron Yary
Bob Lurtsema
Mary Mullaney
Steve Riley
Sam McCullum
Carl Eller
Jim Lash
Stu Voigt
Steve Craig
Clint Haslerig
Alan Page
Doug Kingsriter
Bud Grant (head coach)
Members of the 1975 Rams:
Tom Dempsey
James Harris
Ron Jaworski
Duane Carrell
Steve Preece
John Cappelletti
Willie McGee
Monte Jackson
Harold Jackson
Lawrence McCutcheon
Cullen Bryant
Rob Scribner
Ken Geddes
Rod Phillips
Eddie McMillian
Dave Elmendorf
Al Clark
Jim Bertelsen
Bill Simpson
Rod Perry
Rick Kay
Jim Youngblood
Bob DeMarco
Jim Peterson
Isiah Robertson
Dennis Harrah
Rich Saul
Jack Reynolds
Tom Mack
Bill Nelson
Al Cowlings
Joe Scibelli
Charlie Cowan
Merlin Olsen
John Williams
Cody Jones
Doug France
Mike Fanning
Bob Klein
Ron Jessie
Terry Nelson
Jack Snow
Jack Youngblood
Fred Dryer
Larry Brooks
Chuck Knox (head coach)
Thank you for creating these. I do not watch Todays NFL but I get my football fix from videos like this. The 1970s were an incredible time for Pro Football.
You and I are like minded on the NFL, A C. The best days were when the game, not the special effects and controversial tweets, was what it was about.
Teams also had a lot more loyalty to their players and coaches back in the day also. Now everything is rooted in the business aspect and the what have you done for me today mentality. Not saying things were perfect by any stretch but people weren't chucked on the scrap heap so easily.
All this and my purple loving heart was still broken because I knew that it all ended in the original "Hail Mary".
"One of the most heartbreaking losses" translation "It's a Vikings postseason game".
I remember very clearly that 1975 season. I am a Viking fan. In the Vikings game against Buffalo running back Chuck Foreman was hit in the face with a snowball as he scored a touchdown. I will never forget that.
And of course I will never forget the playoff game against Dallas which took place on December 28, 1975 my 21st birthday. That was the day that the term Hail Mary came in to professional football. Roger Staubach to Drew Pearson who committed offensive pass interference for the winning touchdown.
LOVE these videos!!!! They are WAY BETTER than SPIKING the BALL into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
Great highlight reel for Bill Simpson of the Rams.
The undefeated Miami Dolphins had to play on the road for the AFC Championship game. That was crazy.
Its because they hosted the AFC Championship in 1971. Under rotation rule the division that hosted in one year couldn't host tje following year.
And yet because of the blackout rules at the time, Dolphins fans lucked out because they could watch the game at home. Fans in Pittsburgh and DC who couldn't get tickets weren't so lucky.
That just proves how great the 72 Dolphins were. Some people like to say their schedule was soft. Only two of their opponents in the regular season had a winning record. The playoffs were a different story. The Browns, Steelers and Redskins were all tough and Miami still won.
@@VinnyXwolf Wrong. The AFC East Champion hosted the AFC Championship Game in both 1970-71 & 1971-72.
Should be worth noting that was the only time Miami made the AFC Championship Game and was the away team, as the other times in the early 70s they made it was in rotation cycles when the AFC East Division Champion could host the AFC Championship Game, and all other times they have made it since, they were the higher seed, and thus got to host.
This also made Miami the only team to be undefeated in the AFC Championship Game as the away team, and by/after the 2020-21 season, was the only team to hold such distinction until after the 2020-21 season, when they were joined by Cincinnati. Both teams are only 1-0 as the away team in the AFC Championship Game all-time though.
The coinflip is still in play today but you have to go through 11 different tie breaking scenarios before getting to that.
The Giants blew it in 1970, then instead of it almost happened it WOULD have happened!
And a coin flip still isn't necessary. There are probably 50 different scenarios you could use to break ties. Even if you need to factor in games vs the other conference, anything is better than a coin flip.
@@suicidality2744 you are absolutely correct: "anything is better than a coin flip" except NOT HAVING A COIN FLIP!!!(as the last thing in your tie breaking procedure)
@@stevevernon1978 What I'm saying is you could have many other tiebreakers before you get to a coin flip. The NFL currently has 11 tiebreakers before you get to a coin flip. They could have so many more.
Why doesn’t this channel have a massive following
46 Years Ago
I believe that 1970-74 rotation system had its roots in the NFL. Before 1967 I think they alternated between east and west conference for home field in NFL Championship Game. Then 1967-69 both conference playoff and championship game alternated. For instance, in 1968 12-2 Dallas played at 10-4 Browns in Eastern Conf playoff. Then 13-1 Colts played at 10-4 Browns in NFL Championship Game
And the ''Hail Mary" meant the Rams got home field for the NFC Title Game. That game was over before it started. Dallas had figured out what defense the Rams were going to play on 3rd down by whom they substituted into the game. They won 37-7.
Thanks for another great post.
Some of your devoted subscribers are very friendly and knowledgeable like you, as months ago a few of them very patiently & clearly explained a difficult scenario to me...one that fooled many people.
I had forgotten that John Hadl was a packer for a minute.
"Point rating" now comes before point differential again among NFL tiebreakers, when necessary.
Jul 29, 2021 and he was already using this song
Always listen on max volume
Ahhhh......Jack Youngblood,,,,,one of my favorites from those great teams of the 70s...go Rams.
Fun Fact about the 1975 Rams who beat my beloved Cards in the playoffs(who wouldn't sniff the playoffs in a non strike season until 1984 and who wouldn't make the playoffs again until 1998). The Rams starting QB for that season was James Harris. He was the first black QB to be named starter for an NFL team at the beginning of the season. Harris got injured late in the season turning the QB duties over to Ron Jaworski. Harris had an injury plagues 1976 and the Rams traded him to SD in favor of Joe Namath who played 4 whole games for the Rams.
To clarify, Joe Gilliam started the first six games for Pittsburgh during the 1974 season, making him the first black quarterback to start for an NFL team at the beginning of the season.
@@chriserrington5958actually, Harris is the first black QB to start a season opener for an NFL/AFL team as he was the Bills starting QB at the beginning of 1969. But both are trailblazers but sadly Joe passed away far too young.
@@Rockhound6165 I think his nickname coming out of college was Broad Street Joe? Tragic story, saddened me when I read about his passing, years ago.
@@Rockhound6165 Well done on your part and I stand corrected. I hadn't thought of his time with Buffalo. As for Joe Gilliam, drugs and alcohol destroyed what could have been a stellar career by an ultra-talented quarterback.
@@eugenedenbrook322 I believe it was Jefferson Street Joe.
One thing to note about the NFL's postseason format at the time (it does not apply to this particular story, but it's worth mentioning because of what was said about the 1-vs.-4 and 2-vs.-3 matchups):
Before 1990, the divisional round of the playoffs was structured so that two teams within the same division could not face each other in that round. If the wild card team and the #1 seed in a conference were in the same division, then the wild card team would play the #2 seed, and the #1 seed would play the #3 seed.
The last instance of this happening came in 1989. The Rams defeated the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC's wild card round, but because the San Francisco 49ers were the #1 seed, the Rams played the #2 seed New York Giants in the divisional round. Had the Eagles won, they would have traveled to San Francisco, and the Giants would have faced the #3 seed Minnesota Vikings.
Barney intercepts Starr for a pick 6 & then said, "I love you."
Sorry, bad Barney joke.
No, Barney tackled Otis Sistrunk then shouted, “Pick a lock, Otis!”
nice hilites during tie breaker explanations
It's a little confusing to see "rotational basis" mentioned as far as the 1970-1974 playoffs without understanding how that worked. It seems incredibly stupid, but there was precedent for this. After the 1932 season when a game played at the Chicago Stadium (yes, the same arena where Michael Jordan played his first games with the Bulls) between the Chicago Bears and Portsmouth Spartans was needed to determine the NFL championship, the league decided in the offseason to make this an annual event. They split the league into two conferences and the winner of each conference would play in the championship. Where would that be played? They looked at the precedent of the World Series where home field advantage alternated each year between the AL and NL since 1925. This alternating continued when both the NFL expanded to divisions. (The smaller AFL stuck with two.) But after the 1970 merger went into effect and each conference had three divisions each, obviously a wild card was needed, but there came another problem---how do you rotate home field advantage between three division winners?
From what I see of the brackets of the playoff games at Wikipedia, this is how it played out. One division winner would be A, and get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. A would not only host the first playoff game, but also the conference championship if it won. B would play game A on the road, BUT would host the conference championship if they beat A. The winner of A and B would host the conference title game no matter who was playing in the other game or what their record was. Team C would host the second playoff game of the first round against the wild card team, but that would be the ONLY game it would host. The wild card team D would be on the road throughout the playoffs until the Super Bowl.
It would have been fascinating if the NFL had instituted the playoff seeding in 1974, where all three NFC division winners were 10-4. The head to head would have been thrown out since all three teams didn't play each other, and the conference record was weird also in that they didn't play the same amount of conference games. How would a three way tie been decided?
Plenty of tiebreakers they could use. Record vs common opponents. Strength of victory all games. Strength of schedule all games. Net quotient of points all games = points scored vs points against. Total points all games. Total touchdowns all games.
This is the 2nd time your wrong about the 70s playoffs. Although your right about the rotation. It only existed for the conference Championships and that goes back to 1933. The Divisional round had a rule that stated divisional opponents couldn't play each other. That existed long after the 1975 seeding rule for the conference Championships.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made another video about that Vikings-Bills game at the end of the season.
you can also watch a 20+ minute review of that game, as it was the 'NFL Game of the Week' and is here somewhere on RUclips
Before I leave this comment, we need some context.
MN & LA were seeded 1 & 2 in the NFC for the 1975 NFL Playoffs
DAL: “Hail Mary, full of grace…”
I remember this points system in use as late as the '90s, although I'm not sure if it still is. It was 1999 so I had to go look it up, because I had a solid memory of the Panthers running up the score on the Saints and the Cowboys running up the score on another team at the same time in Week 17. On the Panthers telecast on Fox and in Ericsson Stadium, they kept showing the score of the Cowboys game, and it was pretty much Panthers vs. Cowboys in how much they could run up the score on their opponents. They were running up the score because they were competing with three or four other teams trying to get the last playoff spot, since point differential was a tiebreaker.
Close it was Packers not Cowboys gunning against the Panthers. Cowboys beat the Giants later and it was all moot
Even if you tossed the coin into the turf every single toss, you'd still have a better coin toss rating than what the NFL had in 1975.
I can just see the coin landing on its edge, just to make that scenario as agonizing as possible!
The NFL kept intact their rule about conference record only being applicable if each team played an equal # of conference games for two more seasons. Then they started making it where it was just best winning *percentage* in conference games starting in '79.
And even though there wasn't any more getting ridiculously close to strange tiebreakers for a while in '78 they still employed strange rules which I'll dive into later
I'm all of you know, but I'll bring up that divisional standings tiebrrskers apply even if none the teams involved can go to the playoffs, and were used starting 8n 1970, several years before the league determined a team's non-division opponents - home and away - based on standings the previous season.
In 1978 OAK, SD and SEA all finished 9-7. It would be the first time ever a 3-way tiebreaker would be necessary. In most seasons SD would have earned 2nd place due to their 3-1 head-to-head record vs OAK and SEA (SEA 2-2 and OAK 1-3) and then SEA earns 3rd place and OAK 4th due to Seattle sweeping Oakland.
But not in 1978. For that season where 3 or more teams in the same division finished with the same record, head-to-head only applied if one of the tied teams won every matchup against the other tied teams, or if one of the tied teams lost every matchup to each of the other tied teams. So it turns out that the Holy Roller game kept SD from securing 2nd place.
That year.the next tiebreaker step was common opponents. OAK was 6-2, SEA was 5-3, and SD was 4-4. Since they each had distinct records against common opponents, they were each slotted 2nd (OAK), 3rd (SEA) and 4th (SD) in the AFC West accordingly. Slotting 3 or more teams based on one step also goes against how the NFL normally breaks ties. In that scenario normally after OAK wax awarded 2nd place they would have conducted a new tiebreaker for SD and SEA to determine 3rd and 4th place. SD would have won that because they swept SEA.
Also SD would have won 2nd place if after head-to-head they used ANY of the other metrics employed through the years.
Of course the Cowboys won the NFC that year, beating both the Vikings (via Hail Mary) and the Rams (via beatdown) on the road.
I remember that season, those teams, and that situation. You explained it very well. Great video!
The European Championships (soccer) decided a semi final on a coin flip, in 1968. Italy 0-0 Soviet Union, and they decided it by tossing a coin there on the pitch right after the final whistle. I'm glad sports have moved away from that particular method.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_1968
The NFL used coin flips to decide home field in tiebreaker games, the final one being in 1965 (Packers over Colts at GB).
Honestly, if I were in charge of tiebreakers, I would have something near the end like total yards or yard differential. Because if you tie in that category, both teams deserve to move on.
The thought of an your playoff chances dying due to a 50/50 decision is painful.
Thank goodness the NFL finally overhauled its playoff and tiebreaker systems. You should never come that close to having coin tosses determine playoff spots.
I who already knew what point rating is:
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The steelers won sb x
Hell yeah!
The most surprising thing was that the packers made the playoffs in the 1970s
@Matt Joseph exact description of that moment .
They were actually a trendy pick to win the NFC before the 1973 season... no joke.
Whenever I hear of a coin flip determining a playoff spot, my mind immediately goes to that Thanksgiving game between the Steelers and the Lions.
2:17 Duane Thomas was so talented.
The Hail Mary was a push off blown call against the Vikings way to go refs
Instead of a coin flip they should just determine the seed by what team spiked the ball in the ground the most during the season.
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"Push off" Pearson...
I like how the Cardinals and Cowboys were in the exact same position but JG9 talked about the Cowboys for most of the first half of the videos and the Cardinals got one mention
22-5 game vs GB was a Scorigami.
Instead of a coin flip they should draw football cards the best player drawn would win and get credit for helping the team win.
rip dusty hill. do a video on zz top jgator. They jammed at a s b one year. And hard to believe cards actually won a div. title that year. No home game for them. Had to go west to la coli. I believe that was the last air coryell year as card coach. A hole bidwell ran him out.
Another great video! Why does it seem like the NFL has always overcomplicated certain matters that otherwise don't need to be that complicated? & Why does it seem like it's always a much bigger issue with them when they realize they should UNcomplicate the matter? Oh & sidenote, Pearson pushed off! Obvious offensive pass interference!
Nate Wright fell down. Pearson didn't push off!
No regular season match up and no six tie breaker rules so nfl went by who ranked better offensively and defensively. Since vikes were 1 and 2 off/def as opposed to rams who were 5 and 1 off/def. they got the no. one seed and would have hosted the supposed nfc title game. That is until staubach dropped in that hail mary to pearson and vikes were done. The no call play as well as pearson pushed off of wright. (btw the ref on that play was hit by a beer bottle thrown by a drunken vike fan. probably why the call wasn't made). And that was supposed to be a re-building boys team that was only a w c in '75. They go to the s b to lose to steelers. As for the vikes that 12-2 team was the best of grant's '70's teams and didn't even make it to the s b to lose in typical vike fashion. Both vikes and rams had a habit of choking in title games in the '70's. I wonder who would have won the nfc title game between the two at met stadium had they met? vikes did have a definite home field advantage back then playing outdoors, especially when warm weather boys and rams came north. Just couldn't win s b's when on a warm weather neutral site. Not a coincedence vikes haven't been to a s b since moving indoors. They lost that cold advantage and went all soft because of it.
When I was in the Navy, an old Commander from Minny, told me they took to calling 'em the ViQueens, because of that.
@@eugenedenbrook322 yep. I almost used viqueens in this.
Can you do a video on the Panthers and packers We're trying to score as many points as they can to make the playoffs but it all not mattering in the end
I sort of touched on that in a previous video of mine. However, if you want a crazy scenario where "we need more points" actually mattered, here's a video on the crazy ending to the 1979 season: ruclips.net/video/fVwH06CFRJ4/видео.html
Coin Flips teams who obviously should have been at home in the playoffs playing on the Road. Lots of whack stuff in the old NFL/ AFL. Raiders in 1968 should have been at home Against Jets. There were some others that made no sense as well.
The Rams got destroyed and the Vikings got robbed, well it depends on who You ask.
3:30 2019…Alabama is #13 in the playoff rankings. And in 2021 Michigan and Cincinnati make playoff
Wasn't a cowboys fan or a Roger Staubach fan but I would take him over Tom Brady any day of the week his arm was every bit as good plus he was 10 times more athletic than the(garbage eater) "goat".
I agree about Capt America, but Brady is at least a top 3 QB all-time. I put Montana in there, with Marino, Graham and Slinging Sammy Baugh right behind.
@@eugenedenbrook322 let's just say we agree to disagree I more than have Montana "in there" I've got him no.1 all time I would put Brady about anywhere from 12th to 15th all time.
Starr and Unitas in there as well
@@joachimguderian4048 although he was o and 3 in superbowls I would put Fran tarkington (in their)as you would put but again (over brady)because of his individual athletic prowess.
Omg this shit again with the historian j*rking off. Cut it out, it's not cool.