The Nonexistent Train Station that Legally Exists
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What do you have against Wendover Productions?
Please make a video about him.
@@McDondalds in pretty sure both channels are owned by the same people
You know you can just go like -your word- to -cross it out- lol
"In the US, one train a day would be an improvement for some small towns like Houston"
Houston resident. Can confirm it is a small town.
Thought the one train per day was a joke, but it seems this would be an actual improvement from 3 trains per week according to Wikipedia. O_o
@@verybighomer yeah there definitely isn't much train based transportation here, lol. we've got 7 million people, but only 1 train every 3 days .
Is there any public transport within Houston? Like at least a bus?
@@0000-z4z yes there is lots of public transportation in Houston, including light rail within the city
@@0000-z4z Yes, buses seem to be available and a little bit of MetroRail (tram-like), but Houston seems extremely car dominated.
When you've ran out of videos about planes so you keep making them about trains.
Automobiles next?
Trains are just weird looking planes with no wings
@@doaa7941 no thats submarines
He’s coming down to earth
I love trains, I’m fine with this
Hold up, this is Geoff Marshalls job
HAI: *makes a british railway video
Geoff Marshall: *You dare oppose me mortal*
Jokes on him geoff did this years ago and even caught the ghost train
he already did at least two videos on Newhaven
The Pie Train your subscriber number noice
Thanks to Geoff I already knew what this video was about just from the title 😂
Real talk tho,
In terms of the UK, I generally prefer trains over driving a car on the highway; no driving stress, cheaper, and much much easier on longer journeys. Plus, it gives the youth way more freedom of mobility.
Yeah, with a car you can choose EXACTLY where and when you go, but at least here WE HAVE THE CHOICE
Far better for the environment too
Sambor Czarnawski-Iliev why are you screaming
You make a really good point. Technically we have trains here in America, but I don't think anyone really trusts them and they are kind of sketchy. At least where I am from anyway.
trains are more sociable as well.
Sam Sitar in the UK we don’t really do “train sociability” (at least on the tube in London) it is more like “do literally anything to avoid eye contact with the people around you”
“One here, one here, one here” and Geoff Marshall and Vicki Pipe have been to all of them.
1:24 "But one thing I know about boats is that they are not trains" Give this man a medal immediately.
Quickly, someone make a boat train!
Gold star
MikeWard1701 That is what trains that went to the ports were called
There are train boats
I couldnt help but break out laughing when he said one train a day would be an improvement for small cities like Houston
Jarynn It's true though, Houston doesn't get more than a few trains a week.
Megaball Powerball no one rides trains in Houston
@@KanyeTheGayFish69 maybe because there aren't enough trains...
Abe Moore Odell trains don’t make sense in low density places
Abe Moore Odell no. It’s because most Houstonians live well over 50 minutes from the train station and have highways/car access galore.
Soon we’ll be getting the US’s first real HSR based on Japan’s that goes from Houston to Dallas, but it’ll still probably be hard to sustain if the city keeps sprawling.
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Ever thought of going into advertising?
yep
Bureaucracy hasn't changed. It's this kind of behaviour that caused laws to created making it a legal requirement for certain notices to be placed in he 3 major Gazette papers. It used to be common for important legal proposals to be made so difficult to find that even the press wouldn't know about them.
Geoff Marshall has a good video about the station.
Mirza Ahmed yes, it appears they were simply using that stub line to short turn around the train once a day, as the Newhaven Harbour station is also not a terminal, there was a switchyard that allows trains to continue on south and east.
Joe R M wow
Joe R M What’s a switchyard??
dB en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_yard#Switchyard
Guess technically this is Britain’s least used station
Does this station exist?
"Well yes but actually no."
Daniel Pavlick give this man top comment
I' really exist even though it should be illegal what I am doing on RUclips
Well ACKSHUALLY
It’s like the Romanian guy who was legal dead, but was very much alive
Yesn't
This video is sponsored by Geoff Marshall
I feel like I am cheating on him by watching this!
Geoff's already done video about this station
& Vicky!
@@radiogeekdaniel More like "sponsored by Vicky and filmed by Geoff"
@@freshm8492 XD
You heard him guys. Its time to go to England and complain about the official closing of the station! LETS KEEP IT OPEN FOR THE MEMES
As a British person I'd recommend this video on the subject ruclips.net/video/yTmumbrKohs/видео.html
Can someone start a petition? Ideally one that doesn't catalog ones location?
@@Eliteerin That's cool!
@@zackdavies2949 why thank you! As an American citizen I sure hope parliament is smart enough to discount my opinion!
YEAH AS A TRAIN FAN,LETS TURN THIS STATION TO A PRESERVATION SITE FOR OLD TRAINS
I've been there, can tell you there is a platform that is sometimes accessible on foot depending on the fencing. The once a day ghost train service ended recently due to signalling upgrades, which is probably why the department for transport is going through the process of legally closing it. There are plans to build a new rail freight terminal near the station that uses the track that goes through it, and so running an empty train into the platform would get in the way of these new freight services. The level crossing that allowed cars to get near to Marine was closed a few months ago, and now, ironically, the only way to get near Marine is by foot over the bridge at Harbour Station. You can't get there in the free taxi as there is no longer a road to get you there either.
I think that the urgency to proceed with official closure is down to the new depot.
I live close to the site and two brand new freight sidings have appeared just beyond the end of the old station site. This all ties in with the new industrial development close by, so if they're wanting to start running a regular freight service then they will want to avoid collision with the non existant passenger train with its non existant customers.
A special service (steam hauled enthusiast's service called there in around 2002 but I believe it was the last time real people got on or off a train there.
Thanks for the info and update
Update for you, The freight terminal has been built and one or two freight trains a day visit it. A passenger train still goes into the site of the Marine station, twice a day. There is a service that terminates at Newhaven Harbour from Brighton, the service goes into the Marine, then reverses out to make its return journey to Brighton. This is done to keep the drivers route knowledge in the event of disruption.
@@EddersGTI nice one, been a while since I was there
@@alastairbrand5821what about fake people? 😮
I live close to here. Some more info for those interested. You could imagine Newhaven harbour and Newhaven marine as one station, they are closer than a two minute walk. Newhaven harbour is on a two track branch line which continues a bit further along two the nearby town of seaford.
You can think of Newhaven marine as a third platform which is not a through line (terminates at the end). Many years a go this was useful for long trains from London Victoria (then the gateway to the continent) specifically for the ferry. The platform was (a) long, the other platforms being shorter for the local trains, and (b) wouldn't block the through lines while it terminated there.
The ferry goes from the same place today, however with customs and motor vehicles taking more space, the entrance to the port a few hundred meters away, in fact another station is closer, Newhaven town.
As soon as the dedicated 'bost traina' ended many years a go there was no use for the the Newhaven marine platform (it's hard to describe but of it was open today you would have to walk out via Newhaven harbour station anyway). The tracks as still used to store trains that are not in use.
Finally you can search RUclips for a video Geoff/Vicky from allthestations made aboutten years a go.
Geoff Marshall told me about that station, great lad
^ Me too Chairman Kim
why arent you spreding Juche to south korea
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You lie and you lie and then you lie some more! Vicki was the one who told you about it!
He told me about all the stations ;)
0:14 How do we stretch this topic out to 10 minutes for the algorithm?
0:22 Oh right, this is HAI and we don't need 10 minutes.
Here’s an announcement from Lewes Station:
Platform 2 for 1945 southern service to Newhaven Marine. Calling at Southease, Newhaven Town, Newhaven Harbour, and Newhaven Marine. Customers for Newhaven Marine should hitchhike the outside of the train. This train is formed of 3 coaches.
2:00
"one could drive to Dover"
Actually shows video of Beachy Head about two hours away from Dover
Also the car train cars are in Folkestone which also isn't Dover, but I'll allow that one
Ahh yes, suicide Mecca. I wonder if they still have a permanent priest on site or if that is just an urban myth.
@@pintpullinggeek I went for a walk there and there was a chaplain driving around
pintpullinggeek Well, we don't have guns ...
Didn't know there were France-bound ferry services from Newhaven; thought they all operated from Dover/Folkstone instead
I used this station when it was still open in the 1980s, doing the overnight London to Paris journey (and back) via Newhaven and Dieppe. This overnight service was the cheapest way to get to Paris from England back then.
*Newhaven Marine: The Least Used Station in Newhaven*
Otanaku Leana Geoff wants to know your location
Most used train station
*Newhaven Connecticut*
I used to work at the Swedish Railways. So this story sounds perfectly normal to me. Railway bureaucracy is weird.
Who doesn’t love a pointless law or two!
Removing one platform at a passenger station where other facilities are to remain doesn't usually require a formal public consultation and closure order in UK. At Newhaven, the Marine platform, although really part of Newhaven Harbour operationally, and known as that station's platform 3 for a period, was built later and under a different Act of Parliament however. Hence it requires the full closure procedure to formally withdraw passenger services; the platform is adjacent to a different railway legally. Note the track alongside the platform will remain as a handy turnback and refuge facility for late-running trains or for when engineering work or a failed train is blocking the single-track branch line beyond to Seaford. A narrow platform is likely to remain for train crew use. The adjacent sidings are to be developed as a freight facility.
"Havent yet recognized how hassle-free, quick, cheap, and all around great highways are." HAI: Proceeds to show a clogged highway.
2:52 Of course in the US 1 train per day would be an improvement for some small towns, like Houston 😂
At least here in Las Vegas, when we lost Amtrak trains we got an Amtrak bus to take people to Needles to meet the train.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Well, there's nothing else between Vegas and Salt Lake, so a train would be worthless
Felix W. I hope this is a joke, but Houston is the 4th largest city in the US and will probably overtake Chicago to be #3 this decade. 7M people live in the metro. We only get 3 [passenger] trains per week.
@@ClementinesmWTF There are metros that have more population than Houston's, but that's largely because cities and suburbs must get a judge to approve whether or not to merge a town or suburb with another. Another thing would be because people living in the suburbs don't want their town to be part of the central city, so I would guess that's why Houston seems less important than Boston or Philly
corporate shill yup. I think Houston is the 5th or 6th largest metro (maybe further down depending on definition). But it’s still by no means actually small. If you only consider the population, you’d think it would have reliable train service, but population density has to be considered also then it makes more sense.
In 1975 I used this station (twice) to get to Paris and back from London, using the British Rail boat train from London Victoria station, the ferry to Dieppe and the boat train to Paris St. Lazarre station. It took about 8 hours as I recall. The modern direct Eurostar train service through the Channel Tunnel from London St Pancras station to Paris Gare du Nord station takes 2h20m. People can still use trains (or coaches) and ferries via Dover and Calais to do this journey though, it can be cheaper, but it still takes about 8 hours.
It's wildly hilarious seeing this "British food is bland" trope when you live here and know that most British people actually love spicy food.
It helps us get away from the blandness of British life
Did you get a new microphone? Sounds really different, genuinely thought someone else was narrating this one for the first few seconds.
InfiNorth Ik! This isn’t my HAI
Rewatching an old RLL video and hearing Sams voice made me wonder what happened to his voice
I think he's just ill
Euan Macdonald his voice has been different for months now
Same lmao
I think he might've said everything there is to say about planes. IT TRAINS TIME NOW BOYS
I'm OK with this
WHERE. IS. *BRICK*
Once he's done with trains, he'll finish off the trifecta with automobiles.
@@SuperSMT or boats
*"Back in ye olde days, when Cosby was cool, MTV played music and wars were less warm."*
Oh my god i can't-
It's not "ye" as in "Yee"! The supposed "y" is a "thorn", and is pronounced "th".
I always loved that Half As Interesting is just Wendover's "bonus facts" section, with it's own channel.
For someone who is used to ‘railway’ stations, ‘train’ station sounds somewhat jarring to the ear.
Yes, I much prefer English to American.
Uploaded 3 minutes ago. “The Dark side is a path to many abilities one considers, unnatural.” This is very much....adequate. The last time I was this early all roads still lead to Rome.
They still do, its just that we are travelling the wrong way.
Fun fact, if you are getting the Ferry as a foot passenger via the train, you now have to get off at Newhaven Town station, not Newhaven Harbour as the terminal to check in is that end of the harbour, then walk down to the Ferry dock adjacent to the old Marine station.
The old Marine station also used to serve as the foot passenger terminal.
I'm surprised, given the circumstances in which Newhaven station closed down, that there aren't more stations like this.
There are quite a few, but they are kept going by one "ghost train" service a week to avoid the expense of the legal closure procedure.
You know you’re a train enthusiast when you can guess what the station is before it’s revealed.
So if you jumped the fence when that train pulled in would they have to let you on?
@@Zoroaster4 actually god knows
Update - The consultation finished in April. They’ve been through the comments they’ve received and due to little resistance against it, this station will be officially closing sometime this autumn.
3:02
1) London and many major cities in the UK physically CANNOT adapt to have superhighways
2) We tried doing that in London. We hated it. We take the tube instead if we want to get around
3) Superhighways dont fix the problem. They make it worse and make otber factors worse too. Look at Los Angeles
It was a joke bud.
@@brendonhalverson5178, someone should've pointed that to our politicians in the 1970s and 80s!
0:23 fun fact: If you take the first letter of the name of each train station given on the map, in order, you probably spelled a made up word
Additional weird thing about Newhaven Marine station, when it was a fully functioning station the platform number it was given was number 3. This was because in practice, it provided additional capacity to Newhaven Harbour station, allowing some trains to terminate there rather than going all the way to Seaford, the regular terminus for trains using that section
what would be more interesting is a documentary on the stations that do exist but no longer have a rail connection & here in the uk we have quite a few of them
True I can think of about 5, and with the closure of the Marston Vale (Bedford-Bletchley) line for the foreseeable future due to rolling stock problems, even more were just added to the list!
0:46 yes there is but it's low down from the tracks, so it's hard to recognise as one
What is this? A train station for mice!
Hasn’t it been demolished though? I came through there a few months ago and the entire site has been taken over by some kind of development. In fact the track was blocked off as well so trains couldn’t actually use it either.
Did Sam just mention more train stations tan the entirety of the US has?
Plugging the Geoff Marshall video he made about Newhaven Marine.
I love hearing about the quirks of the UK rail system, it's just so fun.
TheHylianBatman Well, it is about 200 years old, so it is bound to behave a bit oddly😋
@@ianmoseley9910 tell me about it! Actually where I live currently (Guildford) we used to have a service that ran to Newcastle which ran for route requirement reasons (aka a ghost train) but they recently closed it unfortunately. Shame since I used to live getting to Sheffield from Guildford in 3 hours flat!
Hey, Geoff Marshall has already covered this station!
So?
“Tunnels haven’t been discovered yet” I was done
"foreigners taking our jobs"
-geoff marshall
What? When did he say that? About what?
@@robbiemeikle2919 Lucid meant that a foreigner, namely Wendover/HAI, is taking the job of a Briton, namely Geoff Marshall, as it's Geoff's job to make videos like this one.
The Eurotunnel service for taking your car across to France is actually in Cheriton on the outskirts of Folkestone. Dover is the main Ferry Port from the Southeast of England, nearly 12 miles (19 kilometres) away.
0:10 bad start seen as the flag is upside down!
I went there recently on the still-regular ferry service, it has been replaced with a storage lot for scrap metal being shipped for recycling. The photo at 1:29 is from before it was demolished.
For those who are interested, here’s a video of someone visiting the station in 2011; including the very short walk to Harbour station, calling Southern Rail who operate the station (and informing them that they do), and seeing the empty train trundle in and out.
m.ruclips.net/video/yTmumbrKohs/видео.html
I've heard about that station before, very interesting. Odd that they keep it open even though there's a station a minute walk away
It's cause of all the legal stuff around closing them, makes it bloody difficult so they generally don't bother until a good excuse, in this case signalling upgrades meant they had to stop the ghost service for a while.
Okay, someday you’ll have to change your username to *Fully Interesting* because I’m very intrigued and interesting in the topics you talk about.
thanks
Ok weeaboo
"All the stations all of them..."
I can fully imagine this station staying "open". Not because anyone wants to use it, just because lots of people hate change of any kind and will object to preserve 'something something something'.
“One train a day would be an improvement for some small towns like Houston”
It’s sad how accurately this describes North American passenger rail
Edit: I hope that line about highways being great and hassle-free was a joke. I mean, I assume it was based on your past videos, but I feel like it wouldn’t that obvious for people new to the channel
Don't you think that the shot of traffic crawling along the US highway made it obvious that he was being ironic?
@@davidw1518 yeah it did, idk what i was on
Here in Croatia we have an entire imaginary train line that exists but really doesn't. You see, the Croatian rail network consists of three disjoint parts: the main network that covers most of the country, a pair of lines in Istria (of which only one offers passenger service) and a single line between Metković and Ploče.
If you want to transfer a train between the main network and Istria it needs to go through Slovenia (This only started to be a problem some 30 years ago, nowadays it's an even bigger problem since Croatian rolling stock is either ancient or domestically produced and doesn't conform to Slovenian railway regulations).
So, what happens if you want to go from, a point on the main network to Istria and insist on using the Croatian railways? Well, you take a train that gets you to Rijeka and then you board a "replacement bus" for a rail line that isn't out of service, but just doesn't exist. The bus takes you to the village of Lupoglav where you wait for about 30-60 min and then a train picks you up and takes you to where you want in Istria. There are 4 such "trains" a day in each direction.
If you want to go to Metković or Ploče, though, you're out of luck because there is no imaginary train line replacement bus to there.
There used to be another, now discontinued, replacement bus, though. There used to be a train line that went along the river Sutla which is now a border between Croatia and Slovenia. This was all fine until about 30 years ago the line found itself crossing an international border 33 times which presented a problem regarding jurisdiction. The problematic part of the line (between Harmica in Croatia and Podčetrtek in Slovenia) fell into disuse and the trains now go from Zagreb only to Harmica. From there there was a replacement bus that would take you to Kumrovec, but this service was discontinued at some point.
The UK haven't realised how great highways are? We've realised they're the most inefficient, destructive and environmentally damaging way you can possibly transport freight and passengers. Half of our stations were closed in the 1960s because of road competition and government short sightedness and we're still paying the price to this day.
So the UK has some smarts keeping some of its train while the US is rediscovering train after a hundred years without!!!
still facts and comedy, the perfection it self!
Old news for Fans of Geoff
“That Wendover is a part of.” Are you okay?
We also have a non-existent junction on the M27 as it goes from Junction 5 Southampton Airport to Junction 7 Hedge End. There was meant to be a Junction 6 but it was never built.
Have driven that road so many times and never noticed that, though it vaguely struck me that the junction numbers increased rather suddenly.
I have fond memories of taking the ferry from the UK to France and vice versa, although I was much more excited to be able to take a hovercraft. Those things were fun!
What about Tilbury Riverside? It was demolished years ago, there is a container depot on the site, but tickets still say "Tilbury Town or Riverside. "
When someone repeats "here" too often it starts to sound like "ghjeer" xD
Really hope the motorway-train joke was sarcastic because trains are literally so fucking good over here. People complain about them being late and cancelled and all that but in reality you can basically get any train from anywhere in the country to anywhere else. In my town there are around 10 train stations, and even a very good proportion of the larger rural villages have stations.
Laws: you exist
Nothing:
Laws: so you agree?
Nothing:
Laws: you exist now
If you look at the thumb nail for this video, the station in the background had a sideways HAI logo, which is like the UK train station symbol. He even put it in the same colours with a slight slant.
I literally laughed at 2:51
(I live in Houston, which has a metropolitan area of 6.5M)
Damn I didnt realize Houston was bigger than Philly. You guys have a light rail right? Or is that Dallas I'm thinking of?
@@matthewhernandez8342 We have 3 light rail lines. The main one runs for the most part along Main Street.
@@matthewhernandez8342 they are talking about trains, not LRT. The only passenger train running now thru Houston is the thrice weekly Sunset Limited from New Orleans to Los Angeles. Amtrak has not enough cars to make this train and the Cardinal daiky, which will lead to passenger number increas and a reduction of fixed costs.
Jose 713 Lonon, UK official population is about 7.5 million and we have 6+ main line termini plus some with through trains, plus TFL services of various types. The London Underground part of TFL manages over 5 million passenger journeys a day (equivalent to the population of Scotland). Houston must be swamped with cars.
@@ianmoseley9910 yeah! we have local transport. But long range public transport does't really exist. when it comes to long range trans we have one line, that can go west to San Antonio (300 KM) or east to New Orleans (500KM). The Long Range route is seldom used, and almost always empty.
Dallas (7 Million) is 400KM north of Houston (6.5 Million) and there is no train route that can take you there. I Imagine that a small and insignificant city has a train route to London; while the 2 largest cities in Texas (#4 and #5 Biggest nationwide) aren't connected with trains.
There's a large and pretty straight motorway between Dallas and Houston, and USA overall has a great Motorway system. Without Traffic, Houston and Dallas are less than 4 hours apart driving.
Much of Western USA was developed during the 20th century (Model T came out in 1908) and cities were designed with cars in mind. England was developed centuries before the car came along.
I really don't think that a train route between Houston and Dallas (2 massive cities) will magically sell tons of tickets.
My takeaway from this video is that we should create a huge public outcry over the station closure of New Haven Marine station, and keep it open.
This video was about Newhaven Marine (next to Newhaven Harbour and close to Newhaven Town). I'm not sure why we should worry about New Haven Marine station - where is it, and what's the history?
Newhaven marine. Yes I’ve seen the Geoff video!
I'm devastated. I might have wanted to think about considering contemplating possibly musing over toying with the idea of maybe some day using that station - perhaps.
Where’s the emotion and hyper fast talking?
*I feel cheated :(*
Definitely felt more Wendover than HAI. Like a Wendover video with some low key jokes.
@@LeoStaley personally prefer it this way
I remember using Newhaven Marine on my very first overseas visit, taking the ferry to Dieppe. It was an enjoyable trip, but it took most of the day to get from London to Paris by that route. Via Dover/Folkestone and Calais was quicker, but more expensive, an important consideration for a student.
Wow, I'm here so early, so lemme tell you a joke:
Last time I was here so early, England was my city.
No.
Last time I was this early, club penguin wasn't kill.
Newhaven Marine is long gone - interestingly, the site of the train station will still be used, as it is being converted into an aggregates terminal for stone leaving the UK from the Mendip Hills and being transported to the continent, which is the real reason why it is closing entirely.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Damn! Never would I think to see a HaI-video about a subject I knew about.
Good Evening. This is [REDACTED] Train 1 to [REDACTED]. This is not the train to Harbor Station. This train will only be stopping at Edinburgh to pick up a special guest, and [REDACTED]. Our next stop is Edinburgh.
geoff Marshall did a video on this years ago
Geoff.
Great video I used to live in Newhaven Harbour so I often got the direct train from Newhaven Marina to London... Was great as I used to be the first on the train and could select the best seat. Its a shame they are closing the station as I remember using it as a kid for the ferry, but I understand the reasons. I still regularly use the harbour station as my business is nearby, I call it my personal station as I'm generally the only user... I often give a dirty eye to any other passengers that dare use it too, they have Newhaven Town which is only up the road.
The Non-Existent Train Station That Legally Exists:
1. Spirited Away Train
Great, you again...
Nice story but it is not the only only station in the UK. Google for parliamentary trains and you'll find a lot more of lines and stations which are visited once a day or week (and of which the station building is gone long time ago).
train station: *doesnt exist*
also train station: *exists*
Derpsii Schrœdinger's Station
The United Kingdom has zero train stations. But it has several thousand railway stations.
Imagine everyone watching this video protest argainst closing the station😂😂 BIG OOF
Newhaven Harbour is just as useless as the ferry terminal is actually closer to Newhaven Town station
HAI: Makes video about an interesting station in the UK.
Also HAI: Slags the UK off at every opportunity.
Get bent, HAI. Unsubscribed.
I used Newhaven Marine in 1982 to get the connecting train to and from Victoria. At that stage Newhaven-Dieppe was very useful, especially as the through London-Paris fares were lower than on the shorter and quicker route via Calais, very helpful for an impecunious student!
Me *sees the title*
"Ah it must be those train-loving Brits again..."
Can confirm that the station is now legally closed.
If you wouldn’t expect Brexit you also wouldn’t understand how Rome fell, or how high taxes and rotting factories are causing suffering all across the west.
There is the same thing on the border between Belgium and the Netherlands, there is non-existent station to calculate the train ride costs in case you cross the border because at least on Belgian side the price is calculated by the distance
welcome abroad [REDACTED], we will soon be heading to [REDACTED]
Welcome to route Not In service, we will be calling at [REDACTED]
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Newhaven is still a ferry port, but boat trains didn't decline because of the Channel Tunnel. In fact, ferries still run out of Dover and Ramsgate despite the tunnel being able to take cars and trucks. The Newhaven to Dieppe route is convenient for people trying to get to northern France and even Paris while the Kent ports take the traffic going to pretty much everywhere else in continental Europe: Germany, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, northern and eastern France, southern France. It's also popular with inbound truckers because hauliers don't want to risk stowaways getting into the back of their trailers and they tend to concentrate around Calais where there is both a ferry port and the Channel Tunnel southern terminal. The simple answer for why Newhaven Marine station fell into disuse is that the ferry terminal moved; the reason it's still technically operational is that shutting a train station down takes a long and complicated and expensive process and it's easier to keep it nominally running. The same reason why you get one train a day between some stations, often at completely inconvenient times; they're called "Parliamentary trains" and they run because it's easier and cheaper than discontinuing the service altogether.
2:58 "where they haven't yet recognised how hassle-free, quick, cheap, and all-round great highways are" Great bit of sarcasm there, if you but knew it, which I guess you don't, since you show a mock-up of a dual carriageway with an insane number of lanes and vehicles on them, and with apparently no traffic jams!
4:14 *Shows US cash*
The Eurotunnel train doesn't depart from Dover. It leaves from Folkestone, my hometown. Dover is strictly a ferry service.
From an American perspective, I must say that forcing railroads to serve stations that aren't in use is a stupid idea. Now you have trains stopping at stations that aren't being used, wasting fuel and money and being an overall hinderence to the environment 'cuz of all that CO2 that didn't have to be released.
I like trains, but serving a station no one is using is stupid.
The legal process behind closinga station is there to protect stations that people do use from being closed unilaterally because they didn't meet the profit levels the train operators felt they needed to to be viable. This is supposed to protect communities access to rail services, which for some people (the young, those too ill to drive) can be very important.
The rules aren't there to keep unused stations open - that's just an unintened consequence of the operators finding it easy to meet the letter of the minium service requirements than actually start the closure procedures.
Also consider that this isn't a common thing - most such stations will have a few people using them, even if there isn't someone every day, are on lines with other, better used stations, and there are a lot of request stops, so the train only stops if someone actually wants to use the station. This is noteworthy precicely because it's the only example where the station was physically closed whilst officially still having a service.
The trains are electric and the distance is less than 500ft at a crawl. The energy use is insignificant
British trains are electric,
In USA we have many stations that do not exist. They simply describe a physical point along the right of way. Sort of "Turn left where the big pine tree used to be." It doesnt mean anything to the public, but it does mean something to the railroad.
We don't have as much as we would like, and leaving a failing trading block that the US wouldn't join speaks volumes.