Every time I discuss watches with my friends, I link this channel and nothing else. Absolutely top notch reviews, love them. Keep up the good work, Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger
Haha, thanks Seun 😊! I am still very much a beginner in editing, but I wanted to have a bit of fun with this one (thanks to Daniel: ruclips.net/video/y7-bpvlqVBw/видео.html&ab_channel=DanielSchiffer ) for his easy tutorial 😊
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Absolutely amazing review. Thank you for that. Probably you dont want test old devices, but for garmin devices specialy, it would be interested compare same heart rate sensor (the old one) like in garmin vivomove sport (f.e. fenix 6 or FR 945) for sleep tracking. Again, thank you for these tests.
Hi Peter! Yes, newer watches are just interesting for more people (and therefore get more views), so I am more likely to test those indeed. I'll keep it in mind though😊
I currently own the Vivomove Hr and recently found out about the sports version. So excited you to see you uploaded this video! I love your videos on other watches, so I'm excited for this one 😊 Looking to upgrade to either this or the Vivoactive 4s. I just wish there were more available colors for the hybrid sport version.
Good stuff! I have nothing to benchmark it against but, like you, I get some improbable results from the F7. Perhaps the tracking or algorithms will still improve. HR tracking is very nice on it though, and most of the other metrics seem to be in the ballpark.
Excellent video! This is very exciting that the sleep tracking is so accurate. Sleep tracking is my main interest in a smart watch. Given that, would you recommend the Vivomove Sport over a Fitbit device, or are the Fitbits still somewhat better?
Hi! I think based on just this n=1 experiment (I am the only subject) without the perfect polysomnography reference it is difficult to say if Fitbit or the Vivomove sport is better. The downside of Fitbit is that they lock some of their metric behind a paywall... However, you can get some Fitbits for relatively cheap
Hi Rob! Do you have any video showing up the reliability of the devices you use to compare with the smartwatches? For example, a test to show how reliable is the dream 2 against polysomnography.... Really nice and useful channel!
The vivomove watched are SO sick. I looove hybrid watches. I wish they’d make a 44-45mm vivomove hybrid with 10ish day battery life or more. I’d pay stupid money for that. Give me glowing hands and glowing numbers too for a little better contrast. Would be the perfect watch! Most smartwatches look like cheap toys. This looks like a real watch.
I just happened to stumble on your channel and i can honestly say that your content is absolutely amazing. I was just wondering if you have tracked "calorie burnt" and their accuracy ?
Rob, I bought this watch based on your comments in a previous review. Thank you. I think it is currently the best value for money in its class. I wish there was a setting to make the display brighter when outside.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Thx for asking. Could you check out what you consider the best smart watch for kids 5-10 years old? Vivofit Jr or some such (no subscription).
Hey rob! Wow almost 100k. Nice job my friend. Been here since near 1k. Nice video! But I can’t assume what’s the difference between this watch and the vivomove style or Vivomove 3. it’s almost the same!? Greets from Germany!
Thanks so much Tim Moo!! Thanks for being around for so long. Honestly, I cannot say what the difference between models will be, given that we see such a diversity in results. Also, I have just started consistently testing Garmin watches, so with more experience I will be able to give more informed predictions (perhaps). Have a great day, and greetings from Vienna!
Another great video Rob! Really appreciate all your work. Are you planning on reviewing the Muse S Gen 2 EEG headband for sleep tracking? I really hope so.
Hi Voodoo! I do have it, but I haven't been able to do any real testing yet. I think it has some real potential, but the sleep stage scoring might need some tweaking
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Great to hear from you, Rob. I appreciate it. I hope you’ll do a video about it. A comparison of it vs the Dreem 2 would be really appreciated. Especially since it’s the only EEG device for sleep people can buy at the moment.
Hey! There is not "one-size-fits-all" answer unfortunately. My first thoughts: The Oura Ring is good for general health tracking (but not sport or sleep stages), the Fitbits are good at sleep staging, not at heart rate. The Whoop Strap is pretty good at most things (though only OK for heart rate for instance), but it is quite expensive. The Apple Watch is by far the best at heart rate, and the best smartwatch.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist hahahahhahaha.... Whoop strap is good at most thing - but "only ok for heart rate for instance" hahahaahhahaha - ok, well where does the 'most things' come from?
Would love to see what you think of the Fossil Hybrid HR series. Similar to the VivoMove sport, it uses traditional analogue hands but the face is an e-ink display that lets me go 10-12 days between charges. So far though, while I love the design both in style and functionality - I feel like this might be one of the worst in terms of accuracy. Sleep tracking is just horribly wrong.. and the 24 hour heartrate readings frequently miss when my pulse spikes over 150 (due to the condition POTS). If I manually initiate a pulse reading it seems pretty good so I guess the background measurements are just spread out too much and so miss the variations. For reference, there are many varieties of the Hybrid HR (I have the gold and white Charter model), but from what I've seen they all have identical hardware inside just with a different case/strap. They are also sold under the Skagen branding, again though with seemingly the same hardware and functionality
Did you ever find a good watch for POTS? Garmin's Body Battery seems like it could be a useful feature, but the HR accuracy in this guy's Garmin tests are always lackluster.
Hi, Thank you for your great reviews. Garmin Venu 2 has a new firmware (beta) that is supposed to make it more accurate with sleep tracking. Users seem to se a difference but unsure about if it’s more accurate or not. It would be very helpful if you could try the new firmware and compare to your previous test. Thank you!
Hi Thanks so much! I will probably wait for the stable release, also since my Windows machine is getting slow and old, and I am not sure I could complete the update
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Thank you for your reply. Yes, good idea to wait for the stable release to check that version. Then you can also update via WiFi. It would be interesting to see if the sleep tracking is better. Maybe they watched your review. ;-)
I can confirm that the sleep tracking is definitely different, hopefully to more accurate. With the beta I am finally having deep sleep according to the watch, while before that most days I will have between 0-40 mins deep sleep a night. Edit: love your channel btw and it's the first one I check for proper analysis of all the health features of those watches!
my sleeping is terrible and need something good to measure it, and would therefore love to see how much the firmware upgrade improves sleep score on venu 2 as compared to viviomove sport. I have the venu 2 but will buy the sports version and do a side-by-side confusion matrix comparison to get an indication of the improvement after the FW upgrade. The newest beta 9.14 has improved sleep tracking even further: - Improved a variety of aspects with sleep detection
Love these reviews - subscribed. Are you planning on doing a review of Vivosmart 4? I know it’s a little old but it’s one of the few trackers of its kind with a small form factor. Would be curious to see how it compares to Fitbit Charge. Thanks!
Rob, I’m not a gadget nerd. I’m mainly just interested in a “smart” watch 🧭 to monitor my heart rate❤️🩹nightly during sleep (and daily) to alert🚨 /notify me audibly⏰ (not just w/vibrations), with high/low rates inputs. The blood oxygen🩸sensor is a plus of course. Any other option is nifty but doesn’t float my boat. Ques?: Have You Done a Test of These Audible Functions (regarding any Watch you’ve tested) ? if so, I’ve yet to see it in any of your Videos. Thanks, Dave
How’s the garmin connect app compare to whoop app? Features and interpretations? I assume vivomove form is not too obstructive to wear while sleeping compared to whoop?
Very noce review as usual. It’s impressive how this one perform. I’m still interested and waiting to buy an EPIX. Hopefully Garmin will update their big watches to be a le to be similar to this one
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I just saw Garmin has a new firmware available (7.24 for both Epix as Fenix 7), the release notes state: "Improvements made to on-device sleep detection and sleep staging", so hopefully you'll see better results during testing after the firmware update. BTW which version of the Epix did you buy? Interested to see if the Multiband GPS is doing even better than the one in the normal Fenix 7.
Do you know what garmin models can be connected to the polar H10? Instead of paying a lot in a smartwatch I was thinking about buying H10 and the cheapest smartwatch that connect with it.
Amazing reviews 👏... stumbled across your channel, I love the way you test devices and convey the results clearly. I'm considering this watch or the new Scanwatch ... primary focus on sleep, spo2, and recovery.
Greetings from Athens! I am ready to buy my first hybrid watch. I want it more for health reasons and much less for sport activities. Do you recommend this or the Scanwatch? Thanx!
Hi Milkii! Honestly, I am just scratching the surface of what is possible in filmmaking. Hopefully I can get closer to those people that are making those amazing intros
Great Review, Rob. One question: Maybe you have already made such a video, but what I would really appreciate is a video from you that details the current state-of-the-art regarding how to interpret sleep data, that is, what are the paramters that one might try to optimize (is more deep sleep always "better" sleep, etc.). I am sure about the consensus in the scientific literature on these questions, but it would be great to hear from an expert.
Thanks so much! This is actually a topic I also still need to research more myself. This is really going deep into self improvement. For most people keeping a consistent sleep schedule with enough sleep is the most important step ;-) [ and maybe consuming less alcohol and fatty foods before bed]
Thanks for an in-depth review. I just wonder, what kind of battery life did you get out of this watch? Garmin says "up to 5 days", but it would be interresting to hear your experience with it. Especially since I saw some reviews saying that they could barely get two days out of the watch with most functions disabled.
Just bought one yesterday and put on all the features plus prob 3 hours of connected GPS while cycling. After 24 hours I was down to 55%. I am considering dumping it.
@Rob How does this watch compare with the Fitbit Charge 5 in terms of its accuracy with sleep detection? In other words, which one is more accurate? Many thanks!
I don't know what watch you used but I changed 2, just to be sure, and I have to admit that this Garmin model has a huge problem with the saturation sensors. Continuous reading issue (with repositioning alerts)... And it may explain why the saturation is not active by default. Probably also Garmin is aware of it and tries to "hide" it... Don't know. All the rest works pretty well on the other hand I'm sorry but it looks like you didn't test it properly or I'm very unlucky, and 2 models are both defective.
Hi Noel! Honestly, I am not sure. For biking maybe, weightlifting probably not. Also with biking there will sometime be tension on my wrist that could interfere with the measurements... Honestly, I think this can only partially be overcome. Better firmware might improve it though
@@TheQuantifiedScientist About the tension on the wrist, I bought a Venu 2s (thanks to your earlier review of the Venu 2!) and the strap becomes too tight when I flex my fingers. Loosening it by 1 hole makes the watch slip around when I move. I'll try using an elastic strap but I'm not sure how to test for differences in accuracy.
Interesting. I have the vivomove sport and when I look at my sleep first thing in the morning it has a couple hours of deep sleep. If I check it later in the day it has changed! And usually has about 30 min of deep sleep. Why does it change its mind?
Because for entry-level devices, algorithms are processed in the cloud. Full processing ends around 7 am. Until this time, we are apparently seeing a very old simplified algorithm. It is very similar to the old algorithms of the old bracelets when they couldn't see REM.
Ist es möglich, auch mal Budget Geräte wie den Armgurt coospo hw807 oder moofit zu testen? Sind sie besser als günstige Fitnesstracker? Speziell das hw807 erinnert mich sehr an das entsprechende Pedant von Polar.
I bought the watch motivated by this review. I wish I hadn’t. Besides the watch itself being not that great the material is really bad. Wearing the watch more than one day the skin reacts with eczema. No wonder, the backside of the watch including the straps starts to smell badly really fast, also the skin. Even after washing the smell remains and is an indication for bacteria. I never had such problems with any other watch. There reviews on amazon about this too.
Sorry if this has been answered but I used to own a Gamin Vivomove style (had to return due to a faulty screen) and I was thinking about repurchasing it, I was wondering how this one compares overall? Or would I be best to stick with the style? Thanks!
Hi Cliff! Thanks, I am trying to keep improving each month in small ways, and that includes the edit 😊. Have a great day, and let me know if you have any idea about which watches to review
Hi, thank you for this great video! I have a Vivoactive4 and I am not impressed. Battery life is low, after 2 years of use (2 days). The device counts steps when I'm in my car or doing something in the kitchen. Also counting stairs even when I use the elevator :D
I love the intro, this one was really cool. I think the editing has improved a ton. I have a vivomove luxe, it looks like this is extremely similar but at great price point. I really like my vivomove and I think it's health tracking has been pretty solid. I feel like my experiences generally agree with your findings (but that may just be the power of suggestion). Though I definitely have noticed heart rate measurements tend to be suspiciously low during lifting
Thanks Ryan! I am more and more considering outsourcing the editing, given that it is becoming more and more time-consuming 😊. Happy to hear you like your vivomove! Yes, most watches are bad during lifting. Thanks for watching and have a great day!👍
I realy so enjoy your Channel. Could you so a Video about how top Track yourself? You have a lot of experience and you will have a lot of things that others should avoid in the beginning. Besides that is your tracking App anywhere available?
@@TheQuantifiedScientist you app for loging things like your mood, your feeling of energy level, etc. :). I am looking for an easy way to log a few things that might be important factors for my hrv (e.g. amount of meditation on daily basis, my subjective energy level, amount of sports). In best case I could export the data as a csv. format to make my own analysis in R.
Hi Leonid! I don't have any plans at the moment. Honestly, this is would be a gigantic undertaking. First of all, I think Apple has figured out a way of doing great heart rate tracking. Not sure if that is due to the hardware of software. However, I expect AI will become more and more important in this, where we can start recognising heart rate better. I also expect the algorithms to become more personalised, and to automatically tweak to the users characteristics to improve accuracy for all metric (e.g. detect someone has poor blood flow, dark skin, or tends to be still during sleep).
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Maybe focus on software and research then? I guess many people would donate data to you as well as do it with fitbit, garmin, apple and all of them. For example i think there are a lot of people with polar h10 too, so they could test wearables just like you do. So you would have more data, we all could see leaders in every aspect. Also do you think it is possible to make smth like garmin body battery or readiness score as a service? I would love a nice device that only collects data and then transfer it to independent industry leader in bio data analysis that would tell me what it means. Just some ideas(my wishes tbh) , because I feel like you already have a lot of potential and power in this field and it is growing fast. Very nice job in any case!
Thanks so much! I still see so many areas in which I can improve, but I'll do my best. I think I could communicate the data better, and the limitations of my testing. Also, I could try to add more of my personality on the videos. What do you think?😊
Hi! So there is already a beta version of the update. However, I did not install it yet. i will wait for an official release. However, it would be nice for sure!
Hi Rob, thanks a lot for your work! Could you please test the galaxy watch 4 again? Samsung launched again a huge update and many people are saying that everything improved
Awesome Test as every time :) I had hopes for this to get good Sleep Tracking and good HR but seems that there is no Watch with this criteria on the market :( Btw. i have the Vivomove Sport at home, where do you connected the chest Strap ? I cant find an option for this in the watch ? Charge 5 was interesting but the Subscription for getting my own Sleep/HR/Sensor data from the last weeks is not acceptable. I wonder why Sleeptracking is so bad on Venu 2 and Fenix 7.
Hi residentCJ! Thanks for commenting! You are right, I looked at the specs and saw that it had ANT+, but it seems this can only send, and not receive, sorry for the confusion. I'll add a note in the description!👍 Yes, still do not understand why things should differ between watches with regards to sleep...🧐
Hi Chris! Indeed the Dreem 2 is also not perfect, but I think it is close enough for these kind of tests. Even two people scoring the exact same PSG data would only agree about 85-90% of the time, and the Dreem 2 was close to this with over 80% agreement. It would be difficult to calculate uncertainties with just this info, though I have been thinking if that is possible. I am writing a video about the limitations of my testing, and the fact that the Dreem 2 is not the gold standard, but PSG is is definitely included in this
@@TheQuantifiedScientist actually I am still try to decide which smart watch I should buy. I watch your every video about this and I think you do best for those who wants to learn accuracy of whatch that they have/buy.
Love from India❤️, I love watching your scientific review videos. I am waiting for budget smartwatches with optical heart rate sensors and also waiting for Oppo watch free (optical heart rate sensors) and Redmi smart band pro reviews 😊.
Hi Lucas! My first feeling is that the GT3 is likely a bit better, but I still have to quantify this. They also released the Huawei Watch GT Runner , which should have the same sensors.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist i meant every morning mi vivo move hr first when i connect show me a result later it will update it and change it totally….this one make this change?
Hi! I read somewhere that it could, though I did not encounter it anywhere during my testing, but I might have just missed it 😅. It was at least not apparent to me. Have a great day! UPDATE: You get a single value as part of the health snapshot, but I don't think it is continuous.
Hi! Thanks for commenting. Well for heart rate the new sensors are better. Just not sure why sleep tracking is better on this cheaper watch🙈. Strange...
The Quantified Scientist My experience : Garmin Instinct Solar / Withings Scanwatch are quite accurate (REM sleep is not tracked on the Scanwatch). Apple Watch 6 is average. The fenix series has just come out, maybe an update could fix the issues? But yes, for the price (700€) it's not acceptable !
Hello please do video on Xiaomi sub brand Redmi smart band pro it's amazing after mi band so it would be be very helpful if you share your views another budget friendly product please make a video request from Indians 🙏
Hi! Thanks for the suggestions. I heard this happens for some people. Luckily I have very light hairs, and other watches can handle it. Also, if a watch requires users to shave their wrist, that is not ideal, since most will not do that🪒
I accually find my Scanwatch the better watch, more comfortable to wear, looks nicer and longer battery life. Garmin chargers arw hopeless and do work loose in time, and can easily disconnect with the slightest movement of the watch.
@Moto Life love mine, my luxe is collecting dust. Garmin won't even give a vo2 max at a brisk walk, yet you should be able to. Garmin are a watch made for runners, Scanwatch is an overall fitness tracker and a walkers watch which I do and step tracking is pretty good.
Interested as to why two watches from the same stable, garmin, are producing such different results? I’m considering a fenix but would like to know on this aspect first.
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Every time I discuss watches with my friends, I link this channel and nothing else. Absolutely top notch reviews, love them. Keep up the good work, Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger
Thanks so much Minn! Haha, I am not even close to the fitness of Mr. Terminator😊
Haha I love that introduction...with a snap of your fingers, and the watch falling into your hand...
Haha, thanks Seun 😊! I am still very much a beginner in editing, but I wanted to have a bit of fun with this one (thanks to Daniel: ruclips.net/video/y7-bpvlqVBw/видео.html&ab_channel=DanielSchiffer ) for his easy tutorial 😊
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Love to see robs production quality is constantly improving. Great channel
His enthusiasm is infectious! Love this channel 💕
Absolutely amazing review. Thank you for that.
Probably you dont want test old devices, but for garmin devices specialy, it would be interested compare same heart rate sensor (the old one) like in garmin vivomove sport (f.e. fenix 6 or FR 945) for sleep tracking. Again, thank you for these tests.
Hi Peter! Yes, newer watches are just interesting for more people (and therefore get more views), so I am more likely to test those indeed. I'll keep it in mind though😊
I currently own the Vivomove Hr and recently found out about the sports version. So excited you to see you uploaded this video! I love your videos on other watches, so I'm excited for this one 😊 Looking to upgrade to either this or the Vivoactive 4s. I just wish there were more available colors for the hybrid sport version.
Hi! Happy to hear you liked the video! It is always good to know that many people appreciate it 😊. Why are you looking to upgrade, is it getting old?
Did you updagrade? What do you recommend me to buy now? I want. Hybrid garmin
Agreed! QS is getting slicker and slicker, but retaining the fearless accuracy we rely on
Great video as always. This channel deserves way more recognition and subscribers!
Thanks Curtis! Working on it, hopefully it will prove valuable for more people😊
Good stuff! I have nothing to benchmark it against but, like you, I get some improbable results from the F7. Perhaps the tracking or algorithms will still improve. HR tracking is very nice on it though, and most of the other metrics seem to be in the ballpark.
Hi Geoff! Yeah, that mostly agrees with my impressions! Good to hear it matches👍
Excellent video! This is very exciting that the sleep tracking is so accurate. Sleep tracking is my main interest in a smart watch. Given that, would you recommend the Vivomove Sport over a Fitbit device, or are the Fitbits still somewhat better?
Hi! I think based on just this n=1 experiment (I am the only subject) without the perfect polysomnography reference it is difficult to say if Fitbit or the Vivomove sport is better. The downside of Fitbit is that they lock some of their metric behind a paywall... However, you can get some Fitbits for relatively cheap
Hi Rob! Do you have any video showing up the reliability of the devices you use to compare with the smartwatches? For example, a test to show how reliable is the dream 2 against polysomnography.... Really nice and useful channel!
Tho I already got a smartwatch I still enjoy watching and learning about new watches, Thanks!
Hi Zaza! Thanks so much, that is really great! Thanks for continuing to enjoy my videos!
Hi can you make an review of the new Garmin Instinct 2? I wonder if the heart rate is any good.
The vivomove watched are SO sick. I looove hybrid watches. I wish they’d make a 44-45mm vivomove hybrid with 10ish day battery life or more. I’d pay stupid money for that. Give me glowing hands and glowing numbers too for a little better contrast. Would be the perfect watch! Most smartwatches look like cheap toys. This looks like a real watch.
I just happened to stumble on your channel and i can honestly say that your content is absolutely amazing. I was just wondering if you have tracked "calorie burnt" and their accuracy ?
Rob, I bought this watch based on your comments in a previous review. Thank you. I think it is currently the best value for money in its class. I wish there was a setting to make the display brighter when outside.
Hi Merson! Happy to hear my reviews are helpful😊. Any requests for watches to check out?
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Thx for asking. Could you check out what you consider the best smart watch for kids 5-10 years old? Vivofit Jr or some such (no subscription).
Hey rob! Wow almost 100k. Nice job my friend. Been here since near 1k.
Nice video! But I can’t assume what’s the difference between this watch and the vivomove style or Vivomove 3. it’s almost the same!? Greets from Germany!
Thanks so much Tim Moo!! Thanks for being around for so long. Honestly, I cannot say what the difference between models will be, given that we see such a diversity in results. Also, I have just started consistently testing Garmin watches, so with more experience I will be able to give more informed predictions (perhaps). Have a great day, and greetings from Vienna!
Another great video Rob! Really appreciate all your work. Are you planning on reviewing the Muse S Gen 2 EEG headband for sleep tracking? I really hope so.
Hi Voodoo! I do have it, but I haven't been able to do any real testing yet. I think it has some real potential, but the sleep stage scoring might need some tweaking
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Great to hear from you, Rob. I appreciate it. I hope you’ll do a video about it. A comparison of it vs the Dreem 2 would be really appreciated. Especially since it’s the only EEG device for sleep people can buy at the moment.
What would you say is the most accurate snartwatch for health tracking overall?
Hey! There is not "one-size-fits-all" answer unfortunately. My first thoughts: The Oura Ring is good for general health tracking (but not sport or sleep stages), the Fitbits are good at sleep staging, not at heart rate. The Whoop Strap is pretty good at most things (though only OK for heart rate for instance), but it is quite expensive. The Apple Watch is by far the best at heart rate, and the best smartwatch.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist hahahahhahaha.... Whoop strap is good at most thing - but "only ok for heart rate for instance" hahahaahhahaha - ok, well where does the 'most things' come from?
Does the vivomove style have the same software as the vivomove sports? I prefer the look of the style
Would love to see what you think of the Fossil Hybrid HR series.
Similar to the VivoMove sport, it uses traditional analogue hands but the face is an e-ink display that lets me go 10-12 days between charges. So far though, while I love the design both in style and functionality - I feel like this might be one of the worst in terms of accuracy.
Sleep tracking is just horribly wrong.. and the 24 hour heartrate readings frequently miss when my pulse spikes over 150 (due to the condition POTS). If I manually initiate a pulse reading it seems pretty good so I guess the background measurements are just spread out too much and so miss the variations.
For reference, there are many varieties of the Hybrid HR (I have the gold and white Charter model), but from what I've seen they all have identical hardware inside just with a different case/strap. They are also sold under the Skagen branding, again though with seemingly the same hardware and functionality
Hi! I did not know that existed🙈. I did look at the Scanwatch quite a bit. I might take a look if they release a new version😊
Did you ever find a good watch for POTS? Garmin's Body Battery seems like it could be a useful feature, but the HR accuracy in this guy's Garmin tests are always lackluster.
Hi, as always, great review! Did you plan to test Polar Unite? It seems like right contender for Garmin Vivomove Sport.
great video as usual... have you looked at the Suunto range ?
Hi,
Thank you for your great reviews.
Garmin Venu 2 has a new firmware (beta) that is supposed to make it more accurate with sleep tracking. Users seem to se a difference but unsure about if it’s more accurate or not. It would be very helpful if you could try the new firmware and compare to your previous test.
Thank you!
Hi Thanks so much! I will probably wait for the stable release, also since my Windows machine is getting slow and old, and I am not sure I could complete the update
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Thank you for your reply. Yes, good idea to wait for the stable release to check that version. Then you can also update via WiFi. It would be interesting to see if the sleep tracking is better. Maybe they watched your review. ;-)
I can confirm that the sleep tracking is definitely different, hopefully to more accurate. With the beta I am finally having deep sleep according to the watch, while before that most days I will have between 0-40 mins deep sleep a night.
Edit: love your channel btw and it's the first one I check for proper analysis of all the health features of those watches!
my sleeping is terrible and need something good to measure it, and would therefore love to see how much the firmware upgrade improves sleep score on venu 2 as compared to viviomove sport. I have the venu 2 but will buy the sports version and do a side-by-side confusion matrix comparison to get an indication of the improvement after the FW upgrade.
The newest beta 9.14 has improved sleep tracking even further:
- Improved a variety of aspects with sleep detection
Hello malinyamato. Any updates since your last comment. Is this phone better for sleep tracking compared to the venu 2? Thanks
You have probably heard this a billion times already, but don't stop doing these videos.
Love these reviews - subscribed. Are you planning on doing a review of Vivosmart 4? I know it’s a little old but it’s one of the few trackers of its kind with a small form factor. Would be curious to see how it compares to Fitbit Charge. Thanks!
Nice review Rob!
Thanks John!! Nice to see you sticking around for so long👍
Rob, I’m not a gadget nerd. I’m mainly just interested in a “smart” watch 🧭 to monitor my heart rate❤️🩹nightly during sleep (and daily) to alert🚨 /notify me audibly⏰ (not just w/vibrations), with high/low rates inputs. The blood oxygen🩸sensor is a plus of course. Any other option is nifty but doesn’t float my boat. Ques?: Have You Done a Test of These Audible Functions (regarding any Watch you’ve tested) ? if so, I’ve yet to see it in any of your Videos. Thanks, Dave
How’s the garmin connect app compare to whoop app? Features and interpretations? I assume vivomove form is not too obstructive to wear while sleeping compared to whoop?
Very noce review as usual. It’s impressive how this one perform. I’m still interested and waiting to buy an EPIX. Hopefully Garmin will update their big watches to be a le to be similar to this one
Thanks Olivier! I just received my Epix from amazon, and I am testing it at the same time as the Fenix 7😊
@@TheQuantifiedScientist such a great news ! Hopefully it will do better than the Fenix 7 😁
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I just saw Garmin has a new firmware available (7.24 for both Epix as Fenix 7), the release notes state: "Improvements made to on-device sleep detection and sleep staging", so hopefully you'll see better results during testing after the firmware update.
BTW which version of the Epix did you buy? Interested to see if the Multiband GPS is doing even better than the one in the normal Fenix 7.
Do you know what garmin models can be connected to the polar H10? Instead of paying a lot in a smartwatch I was thinking about buying H10 and the cheapest smartwatch that connect with it.
Amazing reviews 👏... stumbled across your channel, I love the way you test devices and convey the results clearly. I'm considering this watch or the new Scanwatch ... primary focus on sleep, spo2, and recovery.
Hey Rob, you make fantastic videos! Are you planning on covering the new update for the Oura Ring 3 update?
Hi! Was there a major update? Then I missed that 😅. I was going do make a new Oura video soon
so is the sleep sensor on this watch different from the other garmin? why would that be, you'd think they'd all be the same, or at least a lot closer
What’s your thoughts on body battery compared to say ouras readiness or whoops?
Hi! i haven't delved into it enough to make any judgements honestly... I should look into it at some point, thanks for the idea!😊👍
Thanks for the concise and interesting video. It's a nice-looking watch I'm very tempted
Greetings from Athens! I am ready to buy my first hybrid watch. I want it more for health reasons and much less for sport activities. Do you recommend this or the Scanwatch? Thanx!
Feels like you might be working up to a James Hoffmann Aeropress style intro.
Hi Milkii! Honestly, I am just scratching the surface of what is possible in filmmaking. Hopefully I can get closer to those people that are making those amazing intros
How about other garmin models as garmin Lily?
Great Review, Rob. One question: Maybe you have already made such a video, but what I would really appreciate is a video from you that details the current state-of-the-art regarding how to interpret sleep data, that is, what are the paramters that one might try to optimize (is more deep sleep always "better" sleep, etc.). I am sure about the consensus in the scientific literature on these questions, but it would be great to hear from an expert.
Thanks so much! This is actually a topic I also still need to research more myself. This is really going deep into self improvement. For most people keeping a consistent sleep schedule with enough sleep is the most important step ;-) [ and maybe consuming less alcohol and fatty foods before bed]
as sleep phases have different duration maybe it would be also nice to compare percentages weighted with time
I Konw that is not The most common, but would love to see a review of The Garmin Lily
Thanks for an in-depth review.
I just wonder, what kind of battery life did you get out of this watch?
Garmin says "up to 5 days", but it would be interresting to hear your experience with it.
Especially since I saw some reviews saying that they could barely get two days out of the watch with most functions disabled.
Just bought one yesterday and put on all the features plus prob 3 hours of connected GPS while cycling. After 24 hours I was down to 55%. I am considering dumping it.
@Rob How does this watch compare with the Fitbit Charge 5 in terms of its accuracy with sleep detection? In other words, which one is more accurate? Many thanks!
which performs better in terms of health tracking:
vivosmart sport or xiaomi band 7
tq =)
I don't know what watch you used but I changed 2, just to be sure, and I have to admit that this Garmin model has a huge problem with the saturation sensors. Continuous reading issue (with repositioning alerts)... And it may explain why the saturation is not active by default. Probably also Garmin is aware of it and tries to "hide" it... Don't know. All the rest works pretty well on the other hand I'm sorry but it looks like you didn't test it properly or I'm very unlucky, and 2 models are both defective.
Question: Have you checked if it is possible to measure HRV with this watch? If so, how accurate it is?
BTW, another amazing review, keep them up! :D
Hi Miheal! Thanks so much!! You get a single value as part of the health snapshot, but I don't think it is continuous.
Do you think using an elastic nylon strap would give a noticeable improvement in heart rate accuracy for biking and weight lifting? Thanks!
Hi Noel! Honestly, I am not sure. For biking maybe, weightlifting probably not. Also with biking there will sometime be tension on my wrist that could interfere with the measurements... Honestly, I think this can only partially be overcome. Better firmware might improve it though
@@TheQuantifiedScientist About the tension on the wrist, I bought a Venu 2s (thanks to your earlier review of the Venu 2!) and the strap becomes too tight when I flex my fingers. Loosening it by 1 hole makes the watch slip around when I move. I'll try using an elastic strap but I'm not sure how to test for differences in accuracy.
Another good video. Enjoyed it man 😃
Thanks so much Muaz!! Really appreciate the compliment!
Interesting. I have the vivomove sport and when I look at my sleep first thing in the morning it has a couple hours of deep sleep. If I check it later in the day it has changed! And usually has about 30 min of deep sleep. Why does it change its mind?
More people commented this... Not sure why the algorithm would re-calculate. I haven't seen this behaviour myself, but I will keep an ete out
Because for entry-level devices, algorithms are processed in the cloud. Full processing ends around 7 am. Until this time, we are apparently seeing a very old simplified algorithm. It is very similar to the old algorithms of the old bracelets when they couldn't see REM.
@@EgorKarat oh wow. Thank you
Garmin instinct 2 next?
Can the polar H10 connect to the vivomove sport?
As always: the best reviews on RUclips. It would be great if you could test the Huawei GT Runner.
Hi Tawfeeq! I decided to order it in the end😊. I can hopefully make a review about it👍
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Can't wait. Thank you!
Ist es möglich, auch mal Budget Geräte wie den Armgurt coospo hw807 oder moofit zu testen? Sind sie besser als günstige Fitnesstracker? Speziell das hw807 erinnert mich sehr an das entsprechende Pedant von Polar.
Hi Rolli! I might do that at some point, but it might be too niche to not make the priority list🙈
I bought the watch motivated by this review. I wish I hadn’t. Besides the watch itself being not that great the material is really bad. Wearing the watch more than one day the skin reacts with eczema. No wonder, the backside of the watch including the straps starts to smell badly really fast, also the skin. Even after washing the smell remains and is an indication for bacteria. I never had such problems with any other watch. There reviews on amazon about this too.
Does garmin vivomove style have same sensors and results as this sport version?
Sorry if this has been answered but I used to own a Gamin Vivomove style (had to return due to a faulty screen) and I was thinking about repurchasing it, I was wondering how this one compares overall? Or would I be best to stick with the style?
Thanks!
I want to see suunto , how that performs
Hi Nicola! Indeed, I never looked at a Suunto before!
Getting more fancy with the intro of your videos. Love it. As always great review
Hi Cliff! Thanks, I am trying to keep improving each month in small ways, and that includes the edit 😊. Have a great day, and let me know if you have any idea about which watches to review
Hi, thank you for this great video! I have a Vivoactive4 and I am not impressed. Battery life is low, after 2 years of use (2 days). The device counts steps when I'm in my car or doing something in the kitchen. Also counting stairs even when I use the elevator :D
I love the intro, this one was really cool. I think the editing has improved a ton. I have a vivomove luxe, it looks like this is extremely similar but at great price point. I really like my vivomove and I think it's health tracking has been pretty solid. I feel like my experiences generally agree with your findings (but that may just be the power of suggestion). Though I definitely have noticed heart rate measurements tend to be suspiciously low during lifting
Thanks Ryan! I am more and more considering outsourcing the editing, given that it is becoming more and more time-consuming 😊.
Happy to hear you like your vivomove! Yes, most watches are bad during lifting. Thanks for watching and have a great day!👍
I realy so enjoy your Channel. Could you so a Video about how top Track yourself? You have a lot of experience and you will have a lot of things that others should avoid in the beginning.
Besides that is your tracking App anywhere available?
Thanks Alex! 😊 What app are you referring to?
@@TheQuantifiedScientist you app for loging things like your mood, your feeling of energy level, etc. :).
I am looking for an easy way to log a few things that might be important factors for my hrv (e.g. amount of meditation on daily basis, my subjective energy level, amount of sports). In best case I could export the data as a csv. format to make my own analysis in R.
So what’s the device that standouts ?
Are you going to make your own wearable? What would it be like?
Hi Leonid! I don't have any plans at the moment. Honestly, this is would be a gigantic undertaking. First of all, I think Apple has figured out a way of doing great heart rate tracking. Not sure if that is due to the hardware of software. However, I expect AI will become more and more important in this, where we can start recognising heart rate better. I also expect the algorithms to become more personalised, and to automatically tweak to the users characteristics to improve accuracy for all metric (e.g. detect someone has poor blood flow, dark skin, or tends to be still during sleep).
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Maybe focus on software and research then? I guess many people would donate data to you as well as do it with fitbit, garmin, apple and all of them. For example i think there are a lot of people with polar h10 too, so they could test wearables just like you do. So you would have more data, we all could see leaders in every aspect. Also do you think it is possible to make smth like garmin body battery or readiness score as a service? I would love a nice device that only collects data and then transfer it to independent industry leader in bio data analysis that would tell me what it means. Just some ideas(my wishes tbh) , because I feel like you already have a lot of potential and power in this field and it is growing fast. Very nice job in any case!
Best health tech reviewer on the web. Please keep it up!
Thanks so much! I still see so many areas in which I can improve, but I'll do my best. I think I could communicate the data better, and the limitations of my testing. Also, I could try to add more of my personality on the videos. What do you think?😊
It would be nice if they brought better tracking like this to their Venu 2 Plus. Will you revisit that if they have a firmware update?
Hi! So there is already a beta version of the update. However, I did not install it yet. i will wait for an official release. However, it would be nice for sure!
Hi Rob, Could You check Suunto? For example Suunto 7.
Hi Arkadiusz! I've never tested any Suunto watches, but I should get in touch with the company👍
Any chance u will be testing the Huawei Watch 3 pro?
Hi Rob, thanks a lot for your work! Could you please test the galaxy watch 4 again? Samsung launched again a huge update and many people are saying that everything improved
Awesome Test as every time :) I had hopes for this to get good Sleep Tracking and good HR but seems that there is no Watch with this criteria on the market :( Btw. i have the Vivomove Sport at home, where do you connected the chest Strap ? I cant find an option for this in the watch ?
Charge 5 was interesting but the Subscription for getting my own Sleep/HR/Sensor data from the last weeks is not acceptable. I wonder why Sleeptracking is so bad on Venu 2 and Fenix 7.
Hi residentCJ! Thanks for commenting! You are right, I looked at the specs and saw that it had ANT+, but it seems this can only send, and not receive, sorry for the confusion. I'll add a note in the description!👍
Yes, still do not understand why things should differ between watches with regards to sleep...🧐
@@TheQuantifiedScientist so there is no way to connect it with polar H10?
@@DawidVelCatweazel Correct. I misunderstood one of the specs when reading it
Long term update?
Could you review the Garmin Lily?
Love the channel. If possible can you please review the Amazfit t-Rex pro 🙏
Thanks Dave!! Already looked at the heart rate for that, that video was released a while back!
@@TheQuantifiedScientist oh really. I’ll go back through your vids later. Thanks!
I'm interested if the vivomove 3 does as good? It's an older model but seems to have the same sensors.
Hi Nick! Honestly, I can't tell without testing it 😊
Please include a chart showing agreement on the dreem2 vs. polysomnography.
Hi Chris! Indeed the Dreem 2 is also not perfect, but I think it is close enough for these kind of tests. Even two people scoring the exact same PSG data would only agree about 85-90% of the time, and the Dreem 2 was close to this with over 80% agreement. It would be difficult to calculate uncertainties with just this info, though I have been thinking if that is possible.
I am writing a video about the limitations of my testing, and the fact that the Dreem 2 is not the gold standard, but PSG is is definitely included in this
Thanks alot Rob, it was perfect information again...🤗💯
Thanks Yeni! Happy you liked it! 👍😊 Any requests?
@@TheQuantifiedScientist actually I am still try to decide which smart watch I should buy. I watch your every video about this and I think you do best for those who wants to learn accuracy of whatch that they have/buy.
Hey , wait for huawei runner test
Just ordered one😄
Love from India❤️, I love watching your scientific review videos. I am waiting for budget smartwatches with optical heart rate sensors and also waiting for Oppo watch free (optical heart rate sensors) and Redmi smart band pro reviews 😊.
Hi Satya Sai Varun Hanumanthu! Thanks so much! Love back from Austria!!💪🏼
Please help me for running/heart Rate. Venu 2 or Gt3 OR....?? I've honor magic watch 2, but u havent make any review yet
Hi Lucas! My first feeling is that the GT3 is likely a bit better, but I still have to quantify this. They also released the Huawei Watch GT Runner , which should have the same sensors.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Please can u make a review for stratos 3 too? ThanKS!
PLease
PLEASE TEST THE GSHOCK GBD H1000 vs apple watch
dose it update sleep when u connect to internet…because i think with out internet sleep more accurate
Hi! My phone that the watch synchs with is continuously connected to the internet.
@@TheQuantifiedScientist i meant every morning mi vivo move hr first when i connect show me a result later it will update it and change it totally….this one make this change?
Great stuff, Rob, as usual. Love that the geeky bunch of us can finally get scientific review of smart watches.
P.S. I am so happy with my Venu 2
Dear Daniyar! Happy to help. Let me know if you have any requests with regards to watches or devices to test, and I'll take it into consideration😊
@@TheQuantifiedScientist can you please do a scientific test of the fossil gen 6?
@@HyperRN Hi! I tested it, but never had the time to make a video. From what i remember: it was not very good...
@@TheQuantifiedScientist alright, thanks for your reply! Also, i was wondering what your favorite smartwatch is? Thanks!
I'm so happy with my epix👍
Redmi watch 2 review please 🙏 😢 😭
Hi! I did review the lite version, find it on my channel😊
@@TheQuantifiedScientist when you will review redmi watch 2
Hi, can they record Heart Rate Variability?
Hi! I read somewhere that it could, though I did not encounter it anywhere during my testing, but I might have just missed it 😅. It was at least not apparent to me. Have a great day! UPDATE: You get a single value as part of the health snapshot, but I don't think it is continuous.
great job!! do a reviw of redmi band pro
Hi! I might take a quick look😊, thanks for the suggestion!
Why can't the epix be as accurate
3rd Gen sensors > 4th Gen sensors. Well done Garmin 😆
Hi! Thanks for commenting. Well for heart rate the new sensors are better. Just not sure why sleep tracking is better on this cheaper watch🙈. Strange...
The Quantified Scientist My experience : Garmin Instinct Solar / Withings Scanwatch are quite accurate (REM sleep is not tracked on the Scanwatch). Apple Watch 6 is average. The fenix series has just come out, maybe an update could fix the issues? But yes, for the price (700€) it's not acceptable !
Hello please do video on Xiaomi sub brand Redmi smart band pro it's amazing after mi band so it would be be very helpful if you share your views another budget friendly product please make a video request from Indians 🙏
shave your wrists for more precise results. I have black hair and shaving them made results more accurate in hr tracking.
Hi! Thanks for the suggestions. I heard this happens for some people. Luckily I have very light hairs, and other watches can handle it. Also, if a watch requires users to shave their wrist, that is not ideal, since most will not do that🪒
My scanwatch has more accurate SPO2 than my vivio move luxe
Hi Dennis! Interesting! What kind of values does the vivomove luxe give?
@The Quantified Scientist has been as low as 95 or less. My scanwatch is always 97, 98, the lowest ever 96%
I accually find my Scanwatch the better watch, more comfortable to wear, looks nicer and longer battery life. Garmin chargers arw hopeless and do work loose in time, and can easily disconnect with the slightest movement of the watch.
I did read somewhere the scanwatch is the only watch a medically certified SPO2 rating.
@Moto Life love mine, my luxe is collecting dust. Garmin won't even give a vo2 max at a brisk walk, yet you should be able to. Garmin are a watch made for runners, Scanwatch is an overall fitness tracker and a walkers watch which I do and step tracking is pretty good.
PREVAYL???
Hi! I hadn't really heard of them, but definitely something to check out!
The Quantified "Scientist" deleted my comment questioning his epistemic methodology. Do not trust this brazen self promoter.
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Man I wish this thing had Garmin Pay, would even pay $50 more
5 days?? Joke.
Could you make this any more boring ?????
Interested as to why two watches from the same stable, garmin, are producing such different results?
I’m considering a fenix but would like to know on this aspect first.
I want to buy a smart watch I have I phone 13 pro can u suggest any watch.
I want to use it for cycling and weight training.