The first speaker said Australia has benefited a great deal with its relations with America. It has benefited a great deal more with its relationship with China. The host said Russia illegally invaded Ukraine the first time any country has invaded a sovereign county, since the world war. America has illegally invade 13 countries since 1949.
@@jineeshpr Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya, etc.... The host said that earth shattering lie because he only listens to his heart, not his brain.
This is not new. The collective leadership in the west and the biased western media has selective memories and amnesia. Even Mersheimer did not bother to correct the host, not wanting to put the U.S. in a bad light.
The first speaker is a brown person who is enamored by America's so called liberal democracy. I have studies dozens of people like him, their inferiority complex won't let them view things in balanced way. The host is a good example of most western people's simplistic and ignorant thinking about world matters.
You are citing Kissinger as if he was a critic of the US. But instead he would have bombed any foe in to oblivion. It is a symptom of our postmodern times where Kissinger is cited to critic the US.
Two current "friends" are Germany and Japan. Like Australia Germany and Japan both have as their largest trading partner, China. Germany and Japan are both suffering the effects of the high cost of energy. Germany is de-industrializing and Japanese yen has dropped 20%. While Germany's plight is more obvious, VW has stopped making EVs in Germany but instead will import them from their factories in China. Japan, the world's biggest maker of cars will see its largest market, in China die, and then globally shrink.
"The first time a sovereign nation invades a nation-state" "Stand up for the little guy" Laughs in Korea, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria
@@Biostalker420 It reminds me of that conversation in Yes Prime Minister "We should all defend the weak against the strong" "Well why not send troops to Afghanistan to fight the Russians" "The Russians are too strong"
The most profound Mersheimer quote for me is (paraphrasing) "If Australia & the US wants to fight Russia in Ukraine, then let the Australians kids & Americans go fight the Russians in Ukraine. The war would come to an end very quickly". I hope people let that sink in when they want to promote war
Balancing directly can pose a dangerous risk of it not working out. America has learned since the Vietnam War to use mainly voluntary forces, but in the case of Ukraine, it baited the nation into doing all the dirty work. This became a bait and bleed strategy where USA isn't the one suffering direct losses. The real loser is Ukraine who lost everything when it could have kept everything if it understood the limits of its power.
@@rageburst Even in Vietnam, US troops and other foreign troops (mostly Koreans) brough to Vietnam by the US incurred about 20% of the total military casualties on the South Vietnam side. 80% of military casualties were incurred by the South Vietnamese. And about 30% of the US forces were draftees, so US draftees incurred roughly about 5% of all South Vietnam side military casualties in the Vietnam War.
I am always amazed by the completely incorrect view that Russia’s Special Military Operation in Ukraine is the first example of breach of a sovereign country’s territorial integrity and international law in Europe since WW2 (as moderator proudly and confidently announced 😉) … actually in 1999 NATO invaded Yugoslavia … mainly from the sky, but nevertheless invaded it, breached its territorial integrity and facilitated annexation of part of its territory (Kosovo & Metohia). All without UN approval. I believe that moment opened Pandora’s Box and announced to the world that unipolar world isn’t about respect for international law but about maintaining hegemony
@@LegendNinja41agree and thank you for the reply … international law isn’t about who do we personally prefer or like … it’s about consistency in applying it across the world without hypocrisy
44:00 John Mearsheimer reflects the what the US political elite think - the US must be the most powerful in the world (and it will do whatever it takes). Also they care about China in Asia. That is very clear they care about China .... not Australia. China is priority #1. If Australia needs to be sacrificed so be it, just like India or Taiwan. "To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is fatal"- H Kissinger.
India isn't an US ally like Australia and is savvy enough not to become a pawn. Why would Australia be sacrificed though. That's a possibility with Taiwan but even that is debatable because to secure Taiwan bits of Japan and the PH also have to captured. Too difficult for China to take Taiwan let alone the other two
@@johndoe-vc1we The US has tried to make India a US pawn for six decades but so far they have refused largely due to a lack of Indian self-confidence. However a future Indian gov't may well accept that role. I tell you, if ever the loss of Australia's military is needed in a conflict with China, the US will not hesitate to do so. See Ukraine. China can take it's island province in hours, as opposed to what US media tells you. The Island is 100 miles from China's mainland. Every military base and naval port of Japanese, Korean and US forces in Japan, South Korea and Philippines is already dialled into Chinese missiles. This is not 1913, countries at war are not occupied they are just destroyed.
@@raycomeau6866 well I would say that those efforts only span two decades. Prior to that point India was under US sanctions for attempting to become a nuclear power. Things changed after the cold war and India succeeding. Your anxiety stems from the question what happens to Australia if the US becomes isolationist in the future. John answered this by saying it was in US interest to defend Australia. At the same time it helps if Australia budgets to increase it's military so it can better defend itself in the future. Something that was put off because the only criteria was what was the minimum size you could get away with without upsetting the Americans.
@@raycomeau6866 as for your point on Taiwan I recommend you get better advice from military professionals. Contrary to what you think the US media actually says something similar to what you did. It's too hard for China to pull off. John has explained why.
he’s delusional pro-ukranian bot and in his timeline US and others never invaded Yugoslavia and number of countries in Middle East and Northern Africa after Cold War
@@TimJohnson-x1oIt’s hilarious people believing “sovereignty” means being free to do whatever you want without consequences. That’s never been true with respect to any individual with their relationships with other individuals or government, and that’s never been true for any tribe, nation or empire at any point in history with their relationship with other tribes, nations or empires. We are all constrained in some form or fashion to varying degrees. Welcome to the real world.
Which is nonsense. Countries between two powers can choose and often do. That is a very old dynamic. Read enough history books to see how it works. And yes choosing the wrong side often could have fatal consequences. The countries in central Europe could have chosen to stay in the Russian sphere of influence and in a sense Belarus has chosen to do so. So the question is useful. Why did the Baltic states chose to join Nato as soon as possible? That was not about what the US wanted. That was their choice. Why did Poland join Nato? They did not do so because the US wanted it, they did it because they wanted it.
@@mensrea1251 Sovereignty means a country can make choices based on its own interests and not based on the interests of the ruling nation. That choice can be joining an alliance or leaving one.
Another reason why the question is important. The US strength is partly dependent on its ability to attract allies. Recently Finland and Sweden decided to join nato. That ability depends on the availability of less attractive alternatives that are prepared to use violence to get you in their sphere of influence. When Russia seemed harmless the US lost influence in Europe. We started to cut our defense budgets and buy our Energy from Russia whatever the US told us. Now US influence in Europe is growing again. If Russia was an attractive alternative that would not have been the case. We all know why Russia is not an attractive alternative.
I'm surprised that among such intelligent people John Mearsheimer happens to be the only person keeping the open mind and being focused on true facts. Everyone else seems interested in only keeping their illusions about Putin and China persistent and spreading their delusional views around.
Smart people are if anything more vain than dumb people. Vanity comes with commitment to one’s own priors. Smart people’s brainpower gets devoted to rationalizing those priors, to keep them in tact, against contradictions - especially ones from reality.
Professor John Mearsheimer, is one of the most important realist of the 20th century, and his ideas, and views transcend even the paradigms which we currently inhabit, his work at the University of Chicago has inspired a generation of thinkers, not the least of these my own, I think we all owe a debt to Doctor Mearsheimer, his own realist objectives, and a debt of gratitude belongs to all the American peoples, and for that we should all be thankful, Thanks!
Taiwan has been a Chinese island made a beachhead against mainland China when different parties were in a civil war that was basically interrupted by the US. So the Taiwan question was invented by the US and has been constantly supported for ages with narrative, political, military, cultural resources.
It just goes to show how mature and professional John is in this video, he shows this when talking to people who are completely disconnectd with realaity.
I've been saying that for some time now. The way I see it, the EU, Australia and New Zealand, have no reason at all to get into conflict with China. Sure they can push back on things they disagree with in the conduction of bilateral business, that's the bread and butter of diplomacy. What we see though is, nations that call themselves sovereign doing the bidding of the US, including getting into armed conflict with China!
@@shakimabasan3344 on matters involving critical security yes. But there is shaping going on behind the scenes to makes outcomes more amenable to broader US policy in the region. If you follow Israeli commentators you will know more and it being going on for a while. Israel remains a major recipient of US aid which allows the US leverage.
@@elijahFree2000You are the most embarrassing of all for not even being able to spell right the name of a person you are trying to belittle. I pitty the fool, so i pitty you too.
Mr Drew Pavlou ( the guy who did the 10 minutes question/indictment ) is an embarrassment for the University of Queensland. That student started a violent feud with Chinese students on campus and got himself expelled from the university. Then he started a public camping against the chancellor and got himself reinstated. Here we see him again throwing a bravado at Professor Mearsheimer. What a disgrace ! In my own personal Opinion, the behavior of that student amounts to racism and pose some serious questions about his mental health.
@@gabrielperezmurillo3583 Drew is just a student trying to raise his profile to aim at a political career. He's exactly like a Pauline Hanson, does all sorts of antics to get media attention.
Question, how is China a security threat for Australia? If the Chinese has remarkably low chance in winning against Taiwan, how will they ever win a war against Australia?
First of all China has no design to conquer Australia or to subjugate Australians. The purpose of all the talks in the West and in particular the U.S, of "the China Threat" is to sell weapon systems worldwide. Remember the export of weapons of war is the biggest and most profitable industry in the U.S.
@@KayyHong You're full of nonsense; to "subjugate" does not necessarily involve military force, and China not only can apply trade and monetary force, it places operatives and subversion programs in every western university, Thousand Talents intellectual theft programs and has police offices in western countries, etc.
@@thankmelater1254 --- yes, I have read the same script produced by the CIA without the provision of any solid evidence. Scary, isn't it? Be aware there is a spy in your household and under your bed.
Why a known clown was allowed to hold the floor, rant on, berate the learned professor, and ask questions which clearly misrepresented the professor's arguments, is beyond me.
He does have an agenda but it isn't one that aligns with any particular Ministry of Defense and thats his strength imo. Dont get me wrong I think he is absolutly illuminating as an intellect but his POV is very much 'how do we maintain US hegemony in the world?' but his solutions are incompatible with current thinking in US foreign policy circles. I.e he advocates allying with Russia to strangle China and thus retain the 'Pax Americana'. THis also has some humanitarian reasons - he rightly surmises that a unipolar world with an 'american peace' is much safer than a multipolar world with vying regional/great powers that may or may not be nuclear armed. On the social front I believe he advocated some form of social democratic redistribution to reinvograte the social legitimacy of western society. Even as a rampant opponent of US dominance it is difficult to disagree with many of his conclusions or assessments but in many ways he is actually quite the classic imperialist.
He does have an agenda, he wants the US to remain the sole hegemony, he’s just honest about it instead of hiding behind the ‘liberal democracy’ facade.
John is so clear and real. Unfortunately we have too many confusing leaders in power. it's also unfortunate to have too many uneducated and emotionally unstable like Drew Pavlov who don't understand anything of what's John has been talking about.
i cannot believe that someone like Pavlou can talk to the geniuses Mearsheimer in such manner. John knew about possibility of war in Ukraine in 1996, when that pushy idiot was not even born
Couldn't agree more. That Drew guy is in frenzy mode 24/7. He must have a hard time and a lot of nightmares. So much obsessive with hating Putin and Russia. I hope he moves on soon before being consumed by his own mind trap.
Im glad that the student asked the question. It gave Mearsheimer the possibilty to defend and respond to whats been happening since his Chicago speech in 2015.. At the same time he showed his class in responding to the heckler..
They are not confusing at all, they just benefit from all those grants that come from the US. This is the tragedy of today's science, especially the social science. People stopped thinking for themselves, they just justify the narrative...
Thanks for getting John down to give us the AU perspective on a couple of things. Australia is playing the same dangerous game that the Ukraine did. A miss match between your biggest trading partner and biggest military/view of life partner and trying to have the best of both sides. We are the Ukraine of the pacific...
Mearsheimer made a foundational mistake on Chinese. They are not as invasive as we think. China has been the most powerful nation in East Asian for over a thousand years. Yet it kept peace with small countries even tribes around its border, as long as they didn’t attack China. We should not assume China will act like us. We can keep alert but not being hostile.
@@YY-in5kn Yes you are correct, same for Indonesia. We need to not make enemies that don't exist. I think China will just basically buy us. They make more steel than the rest of the world combined. I think their plan is to control the means of production, in which they've made great progress. At some point the fundamentals will catch up and we'll learn the hard way that selling each other overpriced cups of coffee and houses doesn't rate compared to making cars, phones, computers, and even planes. If they source their red and black rocks somewhere else we won't be looking too flash
You don't have to be US canon fodder. Neither does Taiwan, the most likely candidate to be the next ukraine. Things were fine between TW and CN as-is with the status quo all this 21st century until the US intentionally made trouble as the CIA installed the westerner Tsai and DPP into TW six years ago for the purpose of creating havoc. And she ruined TW's economy.
As far as Ukraine is concerned, many people today know that the coup d'état that the NATO countries arranged in Ukraine in 2014 is the root cause of the conflict. All the disagreements between the countries had solutions before the extremists in Ukraine came to power through Viktoria Nuland and the US embassy. For example, the Russian military bases in Crimea had been resolved with the long lease agreement they had going on with the then president. The EU made it even worse by not allowing Ukraine to have trade agreements with Russia, which was the largest trading partner at the time. Where Eastern Ukraine had the most trade with Russia. Therefore, the Russian solution was better with a federal Ukraine where the eastern Oblasts had their greatest trade and other exchange.
Americans are clueless. it blows their minds when I tell them that Israel "accidentally" killed more civilians in a few days in Gaza than Russia did in 12 months in Ukraine. They cant understand it because reality and facts don't jive with the emotional BS diet they're fed on a daily basis. They don't even have thoughts, they have emotions and mimes. That's it. They think they have thoughts, but they're not actually thoughts. It's mimicry at best. Anyway. Just like with that they can not fathom such a concept as a pre 2014 status quo. This reality, this world, doesn't exist in their minds. They can't understand that for all of modern history before the US backed coup in 2014 the status quo was Ukraine was a Russian satellite. Russia isn't the aggressor which changes this status quo, the US is. And going back to it would cost the US nothing other than pride and having to give up a lucrative money laundering scheme for congress. So considering Russia is over there intentionally targeting civilians and killed less of them in 12 months than Israel did by accident in 12 days, the Russians must really be not very good at targeting civilians huh. Americans just don't get it. It's a lost cause. This is a country where the average literacy level is about 2nd or 3rd grade. The average adult is a creationist. This stuff isn't an accident in such a wealthy nation. That's called social control, just like the world leading carceral system with an incarceration rate nearly 6x higher than China.
It's not true that the EU didn't allow trade with Russia. In 2013, Ukraine was barred by Russia from selling steel pipes in Russia. These measures led to a 25 percent decline in exports since 2011. Russia also threatened that it would require Ukrainians to apply for visas to travel to the country in the future.
@@sabinereynaudsf I wish more people knew this - the level of disinformation going around about what really happened just before the Maidan protests is insane.
They're biased towards liberal peace theory and international institutions, but this theory lacks credibility via its historical record and at times is contradictory in the way it uses illiberal means to spread itself.
Let's hope he devotes his efforts in the future to more worthy objectives than sounding smart, (and in a spirit of charity towards him, let us pass over any reasons he may have for doing so).
“Ding a ling” lol 😂 And yeah, the guy is a first class idiot who obviously had an axe to grind. Even took a cheap shot with that unnecessary and irrelevant reference to Mearsheimer giving an interview on Chinese state media. I mean so what??? Literally Secretary of State Blinken gave an interview on Chinese state media too.
Mearsheimer is wrong. His theory is based on the premise that Putin didn't want all of Ukraine. Yes he does. Putin's Grand Strategy was to undermine the governments of adversarial states, promote governments friendly to Moscow, get them out of NATO, and pull them into the Russian orbit. The list of targets include all the Baltics, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Serbia, Slovakia, and Georgia. Putin's strategy has failed because he allowed his worldview to blind him to the true nature of Ukraine in the West. The West was not weak. The EU was not fractured. NATO wouldn't fragments. Germany would not succumb to energy blackmail. Ukraine would not roll over. Finland and Sweden would not join NATO. All wrong. Mearsheimer's thesis is wrong because he doesn't really understand Putin's intent.
He is honest but his fundamental assumption is wrong. He believes great powers inevitably will fight each other for Global hegemony which is a western idea. For over 5000 years China expanded organically through cultural assimilations not wars. In fact many conquerors were assimilated into Chinese culture.
I’m Chinese, and I find how hard it is for the westerners to be just humble a little bit, willing to take a closer look at China and learn something little deeper.
As an Indian, since 1959 we view China as a security threat. We see China as arrogant, insensitive to smaller nations, drunk in power. If I write 6, for me it is 6 & for you it is 9 from otherside.
@@mudworld5307 wow, that’s great! Which cities did you go? To answer your question: I knew I raised a very tough question about what to learn from China. Actually if you have spent time in China you already got a pretty good sense of what Chinese people are and how they live. For general citizens, we can learn through daily life which isn’t that critical. But I was talking about the political system and politicians. Many US politicians are extremely ego, arrogant and ignorant which is the very reason why US is lagging behind in many areas.
Firstly a big thanks to CIS for arranging this talk/discussion as this opportunity seldom happens. John Mearsheimer has a gift in that his presentation is devoid of waffle. His presentations are clear and succinct unlike most geopolitical discussions so his views become much more convincing. Thanks
So, you're convinced China is a threat? To what? A world wherein USA fucks with the internal affairs of every country too weak to stand up to the US war machine?
Conviction convinces people. I get that. Look again the man's facts are wrong. Allowing Russia to continue this brutal invasion o a smaller country what want NOTHING to do with the rot of Russia wound be a crime against humanity. Even though I do not live in America, I am an American with a long history of opposition to US interventions. Not fully supporting Ukraine's struggle would be a major miscalculation.
@@johndoe-vc1weoh yeah that's brilliant. never heard that one before. let me guess, I'm also a "ccp" agent. ccp stole your ice cream, mate? Tell me about it. I stubbed my toe this morning and the ccp must be held accountable for this.
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10:40 how can the host say that Russia did the first invasion of a country since WW2? The USSR and USA (also other smaller nations) all invaded countries
The US has been involved in over 200 military interventions since 2001. Switzer's comment was outrageous for its bias and being so contrary to reality. Representative of the absence of intellect in Australia.
West should stop fueling the wars in this world. And world will be a better place. West is less than 15% of the world’s population and the majority of the 85% don’t care about what West thinks.
Mearsheimer is knowledgeable and reasonable. I find it kind of sad at a 2023 geopolitical talk of Australia and the US alliance that there’s no Q & A of the Assange issue. It’s an unprecedented move by the US to attempt to charge an Australian citizen publisher (not whistleblower) under the espionage act
How do you think the United States was created? The early European settlers (mostly British) in North America weren't nice people. They were greedy, violent, and religiously intolerant. The American constitution allows for restraint on the last indicator, but not the first two. The American system remains greedy & violent.
@@rickgoblok1625 They have no comparison. Even ex-president Carter said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history--1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter's presidency. Carter referred to the US as "the most warlike nation in the history of the world," a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to "adopt our American principles."
You can be intellectual without being a realist at the same time. But you can't be realist without being an intellectual as well. Great discussion. It's always soothing to hear commonsense is still alive
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Depends what you mean by intellectual. Are these idealists/ideologues, who begin with a premise of Anglo-American hegemony forever, really intellectuals? Or religionists engaging in apolgetics? Or, just gangsters who speak in sophisticated phrases?
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@@africkinamerican how you(or anyone )interpret the meaning of you hear depends on your own understanding and views about the subject. I see it in my own view, according to my values. I recognise every country has her own right to secure her own security. In my view, a multipolar word is inevitable. Hegemony of one country ( like the USA) will not be possible anymore. Russia and China have emerged as great powers, making it very difficult for the USA to remain one single country able to design the global geo- political landscape. It's natural to strive for power, the only difference is, an intelligent and rational person will outweigh the price his country needs to pay for it, and whether it can be achieved in a different way before resulting to violence. You also don't want to underestimate your opponent, or destabilise your allies... Like the US did with European partners. Mearsheimer is a very realistic and intelligent person. I wouldn't take him for a hegemonist or ideologist. He is simply applying Maslow's pyramid on a "country scale". Every reasoning for the need of the security in Maslow's pyramid, as well as the higher levels in it, are applicable not on for the human as an individual but the countries as entities. Shouldn't be difficult to understand and yet some countries and some people believe they are more entitled to economical and political freedom and security than others. Of course, some realities are hard to circumvent no matter how persistent you are in creating public narrative. Even the strongest belief would make no difference this late in the game.
The thing for me as Colombian and Latin American is that I don't see any added value with the relationship that Latin America has with the US. The relationship is on a failed war on drugs where we keep putting the deaths and have to face the cartels and their violence (and the criminalization and stigma abroad), while for the US is an addiction problem that only grows. We have paid in full the check of deads while nothing seems to come from them and their addiction problem just grows. We all know the only way out is legalization. Beyond that, the engagement of US in the region is mainly focussed on fossil fuel extraction and exploitation of raw materials that don't leave any of the added value in the region, neither transfer any technology. And this is precisely what the relationship with China has been about, diversifying the productive capacity of the region beyond a failed war on drugs without future or chance to win, and beyond the exploitation of raw materials. The cooperation with China in the region has lead to the construction of railroads, ports, improvements in the transport systems of Latin American cities, among many other projects with palpable technology transfer, impossible to achieve with partnerships from US/Europe (the west), this because they don't care and they don't see the region beyond a huge shelf where to take cheap stuff from. I understand the Australian position on the discussion, but it takes me to reflect from my perspective/context. For Latin America the multipolar world offers big opportunities and I hope the region continues to disengage from the western sphere of influence and continues to diversify its relationships with China, Brics, and another multipolar pannels/organizations.
The US has nothing to offer to anybody. Australia included. Although, most Australians will disagree, I get that. Once global markets start to fall apart into the economic zones, the economic situation in Australia will change drastically.
"First time we've seen an invasion of another nation state since WW2". Korea begs to disagree. Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos beg to disagree. Afghanistan and Iraq would beg to disagree. Serbia would beg to disagree. The CIS doesn't even understand basic modern history. What an embarrassment.
And Ukraine, Yemen, Libya, the entire Balkans, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait. And then there are all the 'invasions' by NATO memebership and by military bases around the world, including Israel in Palestine.
Please also add Bangladesh, india invaded the then east pakistan in 1971 to liberate it and establish the nation of Bangladesh. And please also add the invasion of egypt by israel, france and britain in 1956 and the arab invasion of israel in 48. And the Iraqi invasion of iran in the 80s and the Iraqi invasion of kuwait in 1990s and the turkish invasion of cyprus and the israeli invasion of lebanon and the Indonesian invasion of east Timor and the Chinese invasion of india in 1962 and the Chinese invasion and annexation of tibet and xinjiang in 1950s.😅
John Mearsheimer is the only highly intelligent and also insightful person speaking in this conference. It reminds me of a teacher with some students who think they know more than they do.
clearly US survival matters to the US, absolutely. However, its about time Australia looked after its own interests, and that need not be with the US. Wasn't it you who said that being an Allie/ client state of the US is very dangerous - fatal infact ( Ukraine, case in point). Thank you JM.
Mearsheimer is like a world champion boxer. He knows how to punch and counterpunch without losing composure. The only thing that I do not understand is why more do not listen to him when he has been proven to be RIGHT so many times. Thank you Dr Mearsheimer for your brilliance. A lone voice in a world that seems to be going mad. I don't want to go on and on but Mearsheimer always displays authoritative knowledge balanced by genuine humility. A true Statesman
I have admirably watched videos of professor Mearsheimer and in debates more or less like this one he was overwhelmingly the front runner. In this debate I felt like he and Mr. Varghese were telling the same story but from different angles. They both have understood what is going on and why! My best regards to both of you!
You are missing the whole plot of his talk. Meashemier is clearly a speaker for the US Right or Neo-cons. Listen to his final address. He says US should not even accept China dominating Asia and US must be the Biggest hegemon. So it's okay for US to dominate the world but not China or others!??? China will be the Biggest economy by 2030 with an equally powerful Military. By then she will also be at the forefront of cutting edge technology and in some areas even US cannot match her! So why should China not challenge US? It's totally illogical and any objective observer should know this. But China has ALWAYS told US that they should work together... it's vital for Global security. Meashemier does not seem to agree. So he thinks eventually there should be a confrontation.. And that is good for the World! Is he out of his mind!??? And you think he talks sense???
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A ceasefire works in israel's favor only ~ not the Palestinian civilians and certainly not Hamas. A ceasefire would still allow israel to withhold food water and medical supplies for the Palestinians ~ not just the bombs. Jews have certainly come full circle. Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews. Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'. Israel has a helluva way of acquiring property they want to own using the blood of another group of people as payment. Who will be next after the Palestinians???
@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613 These numbers tell you nothing because you don’t mention the context. It is like telling you my mortgage debt without mentioning my yearly income and the value of my house .
Such an awkward moment when John said 'It's not good for for Australian to have a wealthy Indonesia neighbor'. Bet Indonesia is taking notes and strategizing.
Indeed as per that theory most other non Western countries should never entertain the thoughts of being wealthy and powerful lest it attract the wrath of the one and only hegemon❗️
@@sunmatr Or at least it is western thought in past 100 years. This kind mindset need to be changed, the world is big enough for countries to be rich without exploit each other
"The US primacy matters because this determines the US survival". Wow... So, what JM means, if you think about it, is that the US is now (its own fault, actually) in a unenviable position of having to rely solely on its military (and banking) power to stay on top, instead of remaking itself into a successful country, with great economy and attractive values, which it more or less used to be fifty years ago. As a matter of fact it looks like by now US has no other recourse but maintain its hegemony using brute force despite many other countries inclinations to the contrary. It did not used to be that way, and the worst problem is that the US government does not want to return to those times when America had moral authority but also attractive economy and properly functioning (and not as corrupt) government. By now US has destroyed its manufacturing, its middle class, its courts and political system, as well as its society's moral underpinnings - so... will we ever wake up?
From wiki: Mearsheimer is best known for developing the theory of offensive realism, which describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system. That's quite a primitive theory more befitting 18-19 centuries
@@RomanGolubev_AYou should pull out a few history books! From the war of independence onward: the Spanish Amerucan war on a pretext gave the USA the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam, and a big chunk of territory, the war against the Hawaiian monarchy gave them Hawaii, the war against the newly independent and weak Mexico gave them even more. (most of southern and western US was once mexico). Have you ever heard of American Samoa. Then they woke up. Rather than governing the countries they invade, an expensive proposition, it is far better to place acquiescent governments in place in those places and they become vassal states while making the various dictators and their cronies into billionaires. So we had the Poroshenko government in Ukraine after Victoria Nuland's coup, the unelected government in south Vietnam before reunification, the Pinochet government in Chile. The USA uses NATO to do its dirty work, bombing Yugoslavia, invading Syria, Libya etc. NATO is Almost wholly funded by the USA and does as directed by the USA.
@@margaretcaine4219 i said "for the last 100 years", that's from 1923 on. The only two states to join were Alaska and Hawaii. So let's not list colonial times coz Russia was just a colonial power as lots of others. The rest of what you said is just pure Russian anti-american propaganda. Ukrainians have their own agency, just like lots of other nations to action change in their country. I also remind you that NATO, just as the EU, makes decisions on a consensus basis.
Funny, how an ignorant former Australian diplomat and civil servant, is telling a renowned US scholar of War studies Prof. Mearsheimer, what the US should or shouldn't do with regards to the conflicts the US finds itself in at the moment The Australian can better pause for a second, and consider the sheer number of - illegal - wars and military operations the US [and NATO] has been waging since WWII, in countries like: 1945-1949: China 1947-1949: Greece 1948: Costa Rica 1949-1953: Albania 1949: Syria 1950-1953: South Korea 1950-1953: Burma and China 1952: Egypt 1952: Guatemala 1952-1953: Iran 1954: Guatemala 1956-1957: Syria 1957-1959: Indonesia 1959-1963: South Vietnam 1959-1962: Cuba 1960-1965: Congo-Leopoldville 1960: Laos 1961: Dominican Republic 1961-1964: Brazil 1963: Iraq 1965-1967: Indonesia 1970: Cambodia 1970-1973: Chile 1971: Bolivia 1974-1991: Ethiopia 1975-1991: Angola 1975-1999: East Timor 1976: Argentina 1979-1992: Afghanistan 1980-1989: Poland 1981-1982: Chad 1981-1990: Nicaragua 1983: Grenada 1989-1994: Panama 1989: Paraguay 1991: Iraq 1991: Haiti 1992-1996: Iraq 1994-1995: Haiti 1996-1997: Zaire 2000: FR Yugoslavia 2001-2021: Afghanistan 2003-2023: Iraq 2005: Kyrgyzstan 2006-2007: Palestinian Territories 2005-2009: Syria 2011: Libya 2012-2023: Syria 2014-2023: Yemen 2014-2023: Ukraine 2023: Somalia But then again, one couldn't expect anything else, from a former diplomat of Australia Next time invite Paul Keating, former President of Australia in order to ensure a proper context
That’s some list 😮 My guess is that a lot of these wars/interventions had nothing to do with the fact these countries were a military threat to the U.S. but more to do with the fact that they could or were moving towards a system that wasn’t Capitalist and therefore were not going to be as easily able to be stripped of there resources and of course a successful socialist system is a real threat to capitalism even a capitalist system with a social conscience is seen as a major threat
Having growing up in China and later on studying and working in the States, I had some very perplexing political thoughts and ideas as opposed to mainstream media…and to find John’s interviews and lectures is like finally finding that friend who could read your minds and translate that into words…amazing feeling
0:00 P.Varghese 0:37 can US focus on multiple conflicts? 4:51 autralia have no problem with a (liberal) hegemon 6:05 given the polirazation in US, why cant it focus on the main competitor (china)? 8:11 the alliance structure is NOW necessary to US 9:10 J.J.Mearsheimer's response 10:35 on ukraine war, what about the moral argument ? 11:38 the principal cause of war 12:18 people wanting Us to protect them? 12:47 US is obliged... 13:24 Mearsheimer's changing (& wrong) claimns on ukraine war 15:49 J.J answers 19:09 what should be the relationship be between australia-china? 21:36 containing strategy vs constraining strategy 24:48 when china will make a move on taiwan? 28:18 future powerfull indonesia & american assistance? 31:57 is abandoning afghanistan good decision? 32:21 J.J 33:30 P.V 34:34 what great power australia will choose ( & 2 unanswered questions)? 35:15 what great power australia will choose 37:08 australia & india relationship 40:00 why focusing on american hegemony? 42:25 how india's emergence change the balance of power? 42:56 J.J 44:33 P.V 45:52 NATO vs current alliance structures in asia 48:30 outro
His answers are boilerplate and simple yet the JM critics never address his answers I'm so sick of ppl not taking him seriously while also not knowing his arguments he's been so prescient and somehow ppl think he's got everything wrong at least the guy asked the question I was hoping for a longer answer
The second gentleman asked John (who is an American and obviously has been advocating for the interest of the U.S) for his opinion and advice on Australia's economic and diplomatic relationship with China. This question went so smooth and without being questioned by the audience, but it really prompts me to wonder, is Australia an independent sovereignty or not?
That’s the wrong question to ask. You sound like you believe “sovereignty” means being able to act and behave however you like without thought or consequence. There’s no such thing. We are all constrained by the will and exigencies of others. That is true of your personal relationships with other people, your relationship you have with government and most definitely the relationship your country has with other nations, particularly as it relates to global powers like the US. There is no “sovereignty” where you can be free as you like, only trade offs.
@@mensrea1251 huh, I don't know how you derive such a conclusion that I believe “sovereignty” means being able to act and behave however you like without thought or consequence. Of course I don't, and my perception of sovereignty is that a sovereign country should be able to make independent decisions and actions that benefit its people the most, NOT following a hegemony in every aspect.
I would question the assumption that Indonesia would side with Australia. Indonesia has never liked Australia, it has coveted all the land it has. It is far likely to take the opportunity if there is a war with China to seize the opportunity to attack Australia. There is no advantage in them attacking China and in fact they have already said they won’t, along with Singapore. The assumption that the Asian countries hate China is a miscalculation. They change their minds every other day
The first individual in the audience that asked that “question” of John was ridiculous to the extreme. Kudos to John for calmly and rationally responding/defending himself
Excelente! I live un Bogota, Colombia.. thanks to internet I coud be there in the talking(few months later). My son shared it. How nice to find people like Dr. Mearsheimer telling about these two terrible conflicts. I have been reading many things because it's unbelievable not to stop what Israel is doing to Palestinians .
Thank you all gentlemen for your open disscussion about current affair of global politics.We see professor John Mearsheimer as a real wise and mature personal. Thanks again.
Stephen Kotkin had a good response to argument that the US is responsible for the war in Ukraine, he basically said: Ukraine was not close to joining NATO, but even if it were - Ukraine is a sovereign country, and every sovereign country has a right to negotiate their own securities deals. You don't get to invade a country because you fear that one day it might join a security deal that you don't like. It would be like if US thought Mexico might someday join a security deal with China... and then the US invades Mexico and then justifying it by saying its China's fault for making them feel unsafe.
Good debate, but the average Australian cares why prices have gone up, inflation, the immigration of millions from India and China to Australia and why Albo and his government can't do anything about it. We have to debate tnese issues аnd not to make comments about the internal affairs of the KGB on both sides - Ukraine and Russia. We have to fokus on these before is very late! More immigration = more rental increase =more inflation = more interst rate increase = more homeless = less available jobs😢
Mr.Mearshimer, I am a little knowledge person than you and asking the questions journalist but your answer is so simple to understand to me. I am overwhelmed!
Mr Drew Pavlou ( the guy who did the 10 minutes question/indictment ) is an embarrassment for the University of Queensland. That student started a violent feud with Chinese students on campus and got himself expelled from the university. Then he started a public camping against the chancellor and got himself reinstated. Here we see him again throwing a bravado at Professor Mearsheimer. What a disgrace ! In my own personal Opinion, the behavior of that student amounts to racism and pose some serious questions about his mental health.
Imagine having the internet and RUclips ability to reach deep into the archives of Prof Mearsheimer and then publicly say that he has been wrong. I'm yet to find an instance where the trend that the professor established was off. If anything, he has been prophetic, in fact, once he presents the evidence is not rocket science of course he is correct, he has been paying attention.
"If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try that." - John Mearsheimer, being unfortunately incorrect.
The statement by Varghese that he doesn't mind a hegamon is interesting. Many countries don't mind American hegemony but America fights them anyways. This is true for many middle eastern countries that America invades and destroys. But I'm not sure what Varghese meant by liberal democratic hegemon. Culturally America may be liberal, but is it democratic? My understanding is that according to Mearsheimer America is ruled by lobby groups and isn't a democracy. Of course one may prefer undemocratic American hegemon to undemocratic Chinese hegemon. As they say a familiar satan is better than an unknown angel.
I like this discussion. There were 2 speakers with critically different points of view, giving us a wider appreciation of all points of the issue. Very enlightening.
The question at 13:30 destroys Mearsheimer completely, yet he proceeds to glibly lie his way out of it. There's no point listening to a man with no coherent thesis and the willingness to lie about everything. :/
Lots of things to learn from these scholars. As a citizen, i just dont want the super power would be aggressive as USA. People want peace. Multi-polars is ideal for me
@@edwardcumpstey9061 there are four ways to improve ourselves. 1.Focus on myself only ; 2.impair others only; 3.develop myself and impair others; 4.the last one is develop myself and support others. For me, when USA was leading a well ahead of others, it used the 1 way Everytime, there was countries get closed to it economically, and it used 2-3 ways. Like soviet, japan, china. But i believe the sum of development is not fixed. We can defilitely try no. 4. And think win-win. When everyone has their own interests,Multi-polars can take accounts on everyone's benefits.
China doesn’t seek unipolar hegemony and not to dominate others also they have no ambition to colonize other countries. They would hv done that in15th century if they want too
17:00 It was Putins miscalculation, he thought he had modern, well trained army capably of the task. He thought he would be USA in Iraq. If Nazi Germany just intended take a small part of Soviet, they would still have to send a enormous army. You don't scale your efforts by the size of the chunk you intend to take, you scale it after what you think it will take to defeat your enemy.
What Varghese says about the Middle Kingdom is exactly what the US has been doing since the end of WW II. Initially it was easy because most of the world was way behind the US in its industrial development and hence military power. Today things have so drastically that is delusional to think that the US is still the sole dominant global power.
@@kiwitrainguy Financially because it controls the global media. But once majority of the people wake up the US financial wealth holds no value. US would relegate to what happened to Britain in the dawn of 20th century, NOT so powerful but still has voice in geopolitics.
I think Varghese is absolutely correct about. the need and desirability to create defence autonomy in Australia. ETA: the guy who was so rude to Mearsheimer: shame on you. Totally not in the spirit of civilised debate.
Mearsheimer's arguments fail over and over. But he is a man of integrity. It is likely his position on the Ukraine/Russia conflict is as it is now because his pride won't allow him to admit he was so wrong, rather than any nefarious or corrupt reasons.
@@gopalramanathan7062 Lol. How many countries did China invaded since 1979. They are more powerful now, they should have invaded these neighboring countries? But why, they didn't because they know that war is not a solution unlike your country USA who constantly been involved with war, bombing and invasion for countless of years since its inception.
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The first speaker said Australia has benefited a great deal with its relations with America. It has benefited a great deal more with its relationship with China. The host said Russia illegally invaded Ukraine the first time any country has invaded a sovereign county, since the world war. America has illegally invade 13 countries since 1949.
Yeah I thought the same. US invasion of Iraq is one such example.
I don’t know how people can be so biased and out of touch withe big picture.
@@jineeshpr Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya, etc.... The host said that earth shattering lie because he only listens to his heart, not his brain.
This is not new. The collective leadership in the west and the biased western media has selective memories and amnesia. Even Mersheimer did not bother to correct the host, not wanting to put the U.S. in a bad light.
I agree jm. The inconsistencies are stunningly ignorant.
The first speaker is a brown person who is enamored by America's so called liberal democracy. I have studies dozens of people like him, their inferiority complex won't let them view things in balanced way. The host is a good example of most western people's simplistic and ignorant thinking about world matters.
“ To be an enemy of the U.S. is dangerous, to be a friend is fatal. “ Henry Kissinger
We Pakistanis are a living proof of this. Shamefully might I add.
A lot of people are finally joining the dots & realising it is America who is the issue here, certainly not Russia. Why are you so anti Russian?
You are citing Kissinger as if he was a critic of the US. But instead he would have bombed any foe in to oblivion. It is a symptom of our postmodern times where Kissinger is cited to critic the US.
Two current "friends" are Germany and Japan. Like Australia Germany and Japan both have as their largest trading partner, China. Germany and Japan are both suffering the effects of the high cost of energy. Germany is de-industrializing and Japanese yen has dropped 20%. While Germany's plight is more obvious, VW has stopped making EVs in Germany but instead will import them from their factories in China. Japan, the world's biggest maker of cars will see its largest market, in China die, and then globally shrink.
With friends like that, no need for ennemies.
"The first time a sovereign nation invades a nation-state"
"Stand up for the little guy"
Laughs in Korea, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria
o course, it was such an ignorant statement.
South Korea would not exist if it weren't for the US.
Yea, man, I started typing before I saw your comment, So true. Life with blinders on
@@Biostalker420 It reminds me of that conversation in Yes Prime Minister
"We should all defend the weak against the strong"
"Well why not send troops to Afghanistan to fight the Russians"
"The Russians are too strong"
+ Grenada, Panama and Yugoslavia
The most profound Mersheimer quote for me is (paraphrasing) "If Australia & the US wants to fight Russia in Ukraine, then let the Australians kids & Americans go fight the Russians in Ukraine. The war would come to an end very quickly". I hope people let that sink in when they want to promote war
Balancing directly can pose a dangerous risk of it not working out. America has learned since the Vietnam War to use mainly voluntary forces, but in the case of Ukraine, it baited the nation into doing all the dirty work. This became a bait and bleed strategy where USA isn't the one suffering direct losses. The real loser is Ukraine who lost everything when it could have kept everything if it understood the limits of its power.
@@rageburst Even in Vietnam, US troops and other foreign troops (mostly Koreans) brough to Vietnam by the US incurred about 20% of the total military casualties on the South Vietnam side. 80% of military casualties were incurred by the South Vietnamese. And about 30% of the US forces were draftees, so US draftees incurred roughly about 5% of all South Vietnam side military casualties in the Vietnam War.
Aussie and US soldiers of fortune have gone to Ukraine, and come back just as quickly. It’s not hunting goat herders out there.
@@rageburst Proxy war. Save yourself time and energy.
@@AjaySingh-mw7syGreat conflicts to launder money.
I am always amazed by the completely incorrect view that Russia’s Special Military Operation in Ukraine is the first example of breach of a sovereign country’s territorial integrity and international law in Europe since WW2 (as moderator proudly and confidently announced 😉) … actually in 1999 NATO invaded Yugoslavia … mainly from the sky, but nevertheless invaded it, breached its territorial integrity and facilitated annexation of part of its territory (Kosovo & Metohia). All without UN approval. I believe that moment opened Pandora’s Box and announced to the world that unipolar world isn’t about respect for international law but about maintaining hegemony
even though i'm biased because i like Kosovo and Albanians, i got to admit you're spot on here.
@@LegendNinja41agree and thank you for the reply … international law isn’t about who do we personally prefer or like … it’s about consistency in applying it across the world without hypocrisy
NATO ignores international law because they are following the US' "rules based order".
It's a war on a sovereign nation and nothing less than that.
Iraq too
44:00 John Mearsheimer reflects the what the US political elite think - the US must be the most powerful in the world (and it will do whatever it takes). Also they care about China in Asia. That is very clear they care about China .... not Australia. China is priority #1. If Australia needs to be sacrificed so be it, just like India or Taiwan.
"To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is fatal"- H Kissinger.
India isn't an US ally like Australia and is savvy enough not to become a pawn. Why would Australia be sacrificed though. That's a possibility with Taiwan but even that is debatable because to secure Taiwan bits of Japan and the PH also have to captured. Too difficult for China to take Taiwan let alone the other two
Australia already got a taste of that under Morrison, when they turned on China for America, and China declined to trade.
@@johndoe-vc1we The US has tried to make India a US pawn for six decades but so far they have refused largely due to a lack of Indian self-confidence. However a future Indian gov't may well accept that role.
I tell you, if ever the loss of Australia's military is needed in a conflict with China, the US will not hesitate to do so. See Ukraine.
China can take it's island province in hours, as opposed to what US media tells you. The Island is 100 miles from China's mainland.
Every military base and naval port of Japanese, Korean and US forces in Japan, South Korea and Philippines is already dialled into Chinese missiles. This is not 1913, countries at war are not occupied they are just destroyed.
@@raycomeau6866 well I would say that those efforts only span two decades. Prior to that point India was under US sanctions for attempting to become a nuclear power. Things changed after the cold war and India succeeding. Your anxiety stems from the question what happens to Australia if the US becomes isolationist in the future. John answered this by saying it was in US interest to defend Australia. At the same time it helps if Australia budgets to increase it's military so it can better defend itself in the future. Something that was put off because the only criteria was what was the minimum size you could get away with without upsetting the Americans.
@@raycomeau6866 as for your point on Taiwan I recommend you get better advice from military professionals. Contrary to what you think the US media actually says something similar to what you did. It's too hard for China to pull off. John has explained why.
"first time we've seen an invasion of another nation state since WW2"
Wow....is he for real?
He's auto-lobotimized.
he’s delusional pro-ukranian bot and in his timeline US and others never invaded Yugoslavia and number of countries in Middle East and Northern Africa after Cold War
Note also the polished language: when they do it, it is "Intervention", and when others do it, it is "Invasion".
first time since anyone claimed regions of sovereign states as their own.
also the first question end was like "...I riiight!!!, you baad!!" 😂😂😂
40:00
Questioner: why we should support the US hegmony?
Mearsheimer: what you want doesn't matter. Only what the US wants matters.😂😂😂
accurate. honest. blunt.
@@TimJohnson-x1oIt’s hilarious people believing “sovereignty” means being free to do whatever you want without consequences. That’s never been true with respect to any individual with their relationships with other individuals or government, and that’s never been true for any tribe, nation or empire at any point in history with their relationship with other tribes, nations or empires. We are all constrained in some form or fashion to varying degrees. Welcome to the real world.
Which is nonsense. Countries between two powers can choose and often do. That is a very old dynamic. Read enough history books to see how it works.
And yes choosing the wrong side often could have fatal consequences. The countries in central Europe could have chosen to stay in the Russian sphere of influence and in a sense Belarus has chosen to do so.
So the question is useful. Why did the Baltic states chose to join Nato as soon as possible? That was not about what the US wanted. That was their choice.
Why did Poland join Nato? They did not do so because the US wanted it, they did it because they wanted it.
@@mensrea1251 Sovereignty means a country can make choices based on its own interests and not based on the interests of the ruling nation.
That choice can be joining an alliance or leaving one.
Another reason why the question is important. The US strength is partly dependent on its ability to attract allies. Recently Finland and Sweden decided to join nato. That ability depends on the availability of less attractive alternatives that are prepared to use violence to get you in their sphere of influence.
When Russia seemed harmless the US lost influence in Europe. We started to cut our defense budgets and buy our Energy from Russia whatever the US told us. Now US influence in Europe is growing again. If Russia was an attractive alternative that would not have been the case. We all know why Russia is not an attractive alternative.
I'm surprised that among such intelligent people John Mearsheimer happens to be the only person keeping the open mind and being focused on true facts. Everyone else seems interested in only keeping their illusions about Putin and China persistent and spreading their delusional views around.
你们政府的愚民政策很成功，每天在抹黑其它国家
Sadly what you said is true
Smart people are if anything more vain than dumb people. Vanity comes with commitment to one’s own priors. Smart people’s brainpower gets devoted to rationalizing those priors, to keep them in tact, against contradictions - especially ones from reality.
True
You bunch are actually the delusional one. 😂
Professor John Mearsheimer, is one of the most important realist of the 20th century, and his ideas, and views transcend even the paradigms which we currently inhabit, his work at the University of Chicago has inspired a generation of thinkers, not the least of these my own, I think we all owe a debt to Doctor Mearsheimer, his own realist objectives, and a debt of gratitude belongs to all the American peoples, and for that we should all be thankful, Thanks!
He is truly one of the greatest thinkers of our time. Thank you so much for your support
Taiwan has been a Chinese island made a beachhead against mainland China when different parties were in a civil war that was basically interrupted by the US. So the Taiwan question was invented by the US and has been constantly supported for ages with narrative, political, military, cultural resources.
CIA invented it. 🤣🤣🤣
Taiwan was never a part of the PRC
Is all about interference and the urge to dominate and control.
Was it? China has ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1895.
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It seems that you do not know Japan was defeated in WW II and Japanese Army on Taiwan surrendered to Chinese Army.
It just goes to show how mature and professional John is in this video, he shows this when talking to people who are completely disconnectd with realaity.
The first guy with his opinion. My god…
@@Hallointhehouse Who let that sick puppy in? he wasted my time.
@@leeway777Same here
Sounds like a naive child
he is mature😂 that is so good. congratulation. how old is he? he is an old man!!
A client state of the US does not have full sovereignty either!
I've been saying that for some time now. The way I see it, the EU, Australia and New Zealand, have no reason at all to get into conflict with China. Sure they can push back on things they disagree with in the conduction of bilateral business, that's the bread and butter of diplomacy. What we see though is, nations that call themselves sovereign doing the bidding of the US, including getting into armed conflict with China!
Correct. There is a tradeoff for security
@@shakimabasan3344 applies to Israel too.
@@shakimabasan3344 on matters involving critical security yes. But there is shaping going on behind the scenes to makes outcomes more amenable to broader US policy in the region. If you follow Israeli commentators you will know more and it being going on for a while. Israel remains a major recipient of US aid which allows the US leverage.
Yes, that may be, but so into the arms of China you go?
How do such ignorant and naive questions pass the vetting process. We just embarassed ourselves in front of John. Well done CIS. 😑
"infamous" lol
Mersheimer is embarrassing
@@elijahFree2000You are the most embarrassing of all for not even being able to spell right the name of a person you are trying to belittle. I pitty the fool, so i pitty you too.
Mr Drew Pavlou ( the guy who did the 10 minutes question/indictment ) is an embarrassment for the University of Queensland. That student started a violent feud with Chinese students on campus and got himself expelled from the university. Then he started a public camping against the chancellor and got himself reinstated. Here we see him again throwing a bravado at Professor Mearsheimer. What a disgrace !
In my own personal Opinion, the behavior of that student amounts to racism and pose some serious questions about his mental health.
@@gabrielperezmurillo3583 Drew is just a student trying to raise his profile to aim at a political career. He's exactly like a Pauline Hanson, does all sorts of antics to get media attention.
Question, how is China a security threat for Australia? If the Chinese has remarkably low chance in winning against Taiwan, how will they ever win a war against Australia?
Fear of loss of wealth clouds their thinking to drive them into reacting with violence. Sadly, American 😢
First of all China has no design to conquer Australia or to subjugate Australians. The purpose of all the talks in the West and in particular the U.S, of "the China Threat" is to sell weapon systems worldwide. Remember the export of weapons of war is the biggest and most profitable industry in the U.S.
@@KayyHong You're full of nonsense; to "subjugate" does not necessarily involve military force, and China not only can apply trade and monetary force, it places operatives and subversion programs in every western university, Thousand Talents intellectual theft programs and has police offices in western countries, etc.
@@thankmelater1254 --- yes, I have read the same script produced by the CIA without the provision of any solid evidence. Scary, isn't it? Be aware there is a spy in your household and under your bed.
@@thankmelater1254you are delusional.
10:45 "First time we've seen an invasion of another nation state since WW2"?? Is this a joke?
I was shock to hear that too. America invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and many Latin America countries.
Imagine what John was thinking about the quality of Australian intelligentsia when he heard that.
@@lktan224 those don't count as a nation-state in their mind
@@lktan224 How many of these were annexed into the US?
The first questioner, it looks like he had not listened to Professor because in many discussions he had explained this Ukraine situation.
I think he, is an example of why we're going round and round with no solution.
He is a known clown. Drew Pavlov
Why a known clown was allowed to hold the floor, rant on, berate the learned professor, and ask questions which clearly misrepresented the professor's arguments, is beyond me.
We should always listen to folks like Mearsheimer. He's a truth teller with no agenda or paymasters
He does have an agenda but it isn't one that aligns with any particular Ministry of Defense and thats his strength imo. Dont get me wrong I think he is absolutly illuminating as an intellect but his POV is very much 'how do we maintain US hegemony in the world?' but his solutions are incompatible with current thinking in US foreign policy circles. I.e he advocates allying with Russia to strangle China and thus retain the 'Pax Americana'. THis also has some humanitarian reasons - he rightly surmises that a unipolar world with an 'american peace' is much safer than a multipolar world with vying regional/great powers that may or may not be nuclear armed. On the social front I believe he advocated some form of social democratic redistribution to reinvograte the social legitimacy of western society. Even as a rampant opponent of US dominance it is difficult to disagree with many of his conclusions or assessments but in many ways he is actually quite the classic imperialist.
I disagree that Mearsheimer has no agenda, but he's certainly independent scholar in the sense he has no master to appease
Mearsheimer may not have a paymaster, but he certainly has an pro-American agenda!
Hes a dolt
He does have an agenda, he wants the US to remain the sole hegemony, he’s just honest about it instead of hiding behind the ‘liberal democracy’ facade.
John is so clear and real. Unfortunately we have too many confusing leaders in power. it's also unfortunate to have too many uneducated and emotionally unstable like Drew Pavlov who don't understand anything of what's John has been talking about.
i cannot believe that someone like Pavlou can talk to the geniuses Mearsheimer in such manner. John knew about possibility of war in Ukraine in 1996, when that pushy idiot was not even born
Couldn't agree more. That Drew guy is in frenzy mode 24/7. He must have a hard time and a lot of nightmares. So much obsessive with hating Putin and Russia. I hope he moves on soon before being consumed by his own mind trap.
Im glad that the student asked the question. It gave Mearsheimer the possibilty to defend and respond to whats been happening since his Chicago speech in 2015..
At the same time he showed his class in responding to the heckler..
They are not confusing at all, they just benefit from all those grants that come from the US.
This is the tragedy of today's science, especially the social science. People stopped thinking for themselves, they just justify the narrative...
Pavlov should never have been given a mic. Embarrassing.
Thanks for getting John down to give us the AU perspective on a couple of things. Australia is playing the same dangerous game that the Ukraine did. A miss match between your biggest trading partner and biggest military/view of life partner and trying to have the best of both sides. We are the Ukraine of the pacific...
Mearsheimer made a foundational mistake on Chinese. They are not as invasive as we think. China has been the most powerful nation in East Asian for over a thousand years. Yet it kept peace with small countries even tribes around its border, as long as they didn’t attack China.
We should not assume China will act like us. We can keep alert but not being hostile.
@@YY-in5kn Yes you are correct, same for Indonesia. We need to not make enemies that don't exist. I think China will just basically buy us. They make more steel than the rest of the world combined. I think their plan is to control the means of production, in which they've made great progress. At some point the fundamentals will catch up and we'll learn the hard way that selling each other overpriced cups of coffee and houses doesn't rate compared to making cars, phones, computers, and even planes. If they source their red and black rocks somewhere else we won't be looking too flash
You don't have to be US canon fodder. Neither does Taiwan, the most likely candidate to be the next ukraine. Things were fine between TW and CN as-is with the status quo all this 21st century until the US intentionally made trouble as the CIA installed the westerner Tsai and DPP into TW six years ago for the purpose of creating havoc. And she ruined TW's economy.
Thank you so much! We really appreciate your support and your perspective.
As far as Ukraine is concerned, many people today know that the coup d'état that the NATO countries arranged in Ukraine in 2014 is the root cause of the conflict. All the disagreements between the countries had solutions before the extremists in Ukraine came to power through Viktoria Nuland and the US embassy.
For example, the Russian military bases in Crimea had been resolved with the long lease agreement they had going on with the then president. The EU made it even worse by not allowing Ukraine to have trade agreements with Russia, which was the largest trading partner at the time. Where Eastern Ukraine had the most trade with Russia. Therefore, the Russian solution was better with a federal Ukraine where the eastern Oblasts had their greatest trade and other exchange.
Americans are clueless. it blows their minds when I tell them that Israel "accidentally" killed more civilians in a few days in Gaza than Russia did in 12 months in Ukraine. They cant understand it because reality and facts don't jive with the emotional BS diet they're fed on a daily basis. They don't even have thoughts, they have emotions and mimes. That's it. They think they have thoughts, but they're not actually thoughts. It's mimicry at best. Anyway. Just like with that they can not fathom such a concept as a pre 2014 status quo. This reality, this world, doesn't exist in their minds. They can't understand that for all of modern history before the US backed coup in 2014 the status quo was Ukraine was a Russian satellite. Russia isn't the aggressor which changes this status quo, the US is. And going back to it would cost the US nothing other than pride and having to give up a lucrative money laundering scheme for congress. So considering Russia is over there intentionally targeting civilians and killed less of them in 12 months than Israel did by accident in 12 days, the Russians must really be not very good at targeting civilians huh. Americans just don't get it. It's a lost cause. This is a country where the average literacy level is about 2nd or 3rd grade. The average adult is a creationist. This stuff isn't an accident in such a wealthy nation. That's called social control, just like the world leading carceral system with an incarceration rate nearly 6x higher than China.
🤡 NATO has not arranged any coup in Ukraine. People actually have their own agency and they wanted change. Same in Belarus
It's not true that the EU didn't allow trade with Russia. In 2013, Ukraine was barred by Russia from selling steel pipes in Russia. These measures led to a 25 percent decline in exports since 2011. Russia also threatened that it would require Ukrainians to apply for visas to travel to the country in the future.
@@sabinereynaudsf the term trade agreements is very different to trade itself
@@sabinereynaudsf I wish more people knew this - the level of disinformation going around about what really happened just before the Maidan protests is insane.
Mind boggling how people like Varghese THINK and SOUND so smart, but completely miss the point
Wanna-be-Westernism makes it possible.
VARGHESE is idiot ...he shoudl be admitted in a mental hospital
They're biased towards liberal peace theory and international institutions, but this theory lacks credibility via its historical record and at times is contradictory in the way it uses illiberal means to spread itself.
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I just figured he's dense.
Let's hope he devotes his efforts in the future to more worthy objectives than sounding smart, (and in a spirit of charity towards him, let us pass over any reasons he may have for doing so).
John not only mopped the floor with his counterpart, but with that ding-a-ling that asked the 1st question.
Great Q&A session, CIS.
typical emotionally charged American nitwit.
😂😂😂😂 and I loved it!
“Ding a ling” lol 😂
And yeah, the guy is a first class idiot who obviously had an axe to grind. Even took a cheap shot with that unnecessary and irrelevant reference to Mearsheimer giving an interview on Chinese state media. I mean so what??? Literally Secretary of State Blinken gave an interview on Chinese state media too.
Mearsheimer is wrong. His theory is based on the premise that Putin didn't want all of Ukraine. Yes he does. Putin's Grand Strategy was to undermine the governments of adversarial states, promote governments friendly to Moscow, get them out of NATO, and pull them into the Russian orbit. The list of targets include all the Baltics, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Serbia, Slovakia, and Georgia. Putin's strategy has failed because he allowed his worldview to blind him to the true nature of Ukraine in the West.
The West was not weak. The EU was not fractured. NATO wouldn't fragments. Germany would not succumb to energy blackmail. Ukraine would not roll over. Finland and Sweden would not join NATO. All wrong. Mearsheimer's thesis is wrong because he doesn't really understand Putin's intent.
That guy was Drew Pavlou
John Mearsheimer, indeed one of the endangered species of our time as far as global issues are concerned, is incredibly brilliant
Sadly, very few people in the US listen to what he has to say.
He is honest but his fundamental assumption is wrong. He believes great powers inevitably will fight each other for Global hegemony which is a western idea. For over 5000 years China expanded organically through cultural assimilations not wars. In fact many conquerors were assimilated into Chinese culture.
Sadly John's brain is not used by the DC
His enthusiasm for the subject matter is remarkable!
...and as on this program, he has only low-grade chumps to dialogue with.
I’m Chinese, and I find how hard it is for the westerners to be just humble a little bit, willing to take a closer look at China and learn something little deeper.
Vanity is a bad taskmaster.
I would rather live under the hegemony of America than under the hegemony of CCP.
Exceptionalism and racism is a hell of a drug
As an Indian, since 1959 we view China as a security threat.
We see China as arrogant, insensitive to smaller nations, drunk in power.
If I write 6, for me it is 6 & for you it is 9 from otherside.
@@mudworld5307 wow, that’s great! Which cities did you go? To answer your question: I knew I raised a very tough question about what to learn from China. Actually if you have spent time in China you already got a pretty good sense of what Chinese people are and how they live. For general citizens, we can learn through daily life which isn’t that critical. But I was talking about the political system and politicians. Many US politicians are extremely ego, arrogant and ignorant which is the very reason why US is lagging behind in many areas.
Firstly a big thanks to CIS for arranging this talk/discussion as this opportunity seldom happens. John Mearsheimer has a gift in that his presentation is devoid of waffle. His presentations are clear and succinct unlike most geopolitical discussions so his views become much more convincing. Thanks
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I endorse his views completely.
So, you're convinced China is a threat? To what? A world wherein USA fucks with the internal affairs of every country too weak to stand up to the US war machine?
Conviction convinces people. I get that. Look again the man's facts are wrong. Allowing Russia to continue this brutal invasion o a smaller country what want NOTHING to do with the rot of Russia wound be a crime against humanity.
Even though I do not live in America, I am an American with a long history of opposition to US interventions.
Not fully supporting Ukraine's struggle would be a major miscalculation.
If only the world were are black and white as his thoughts.
This Aussie is so indebted to the US or brainwashed by US MSM 🤣🤣🤣
What you really mean is not on the CCP's pay list 😊
@@johndoe-vc1weoh yeah that's brilliant. never heard that one before. let me guess, I'm also a "ccp" agent. ccp stole your ice cream, mate? Tell me about it. I stubbed my toe this morning and the ccp must be held accountable for this.
@@TimJohnson-x1o joined just 6 months back? How many in your crew 😊
@@johndoe-vc1weI just farted. CCP paid for that. 😊
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10:40 how can the host say that Russia did the first invasion of a country since WW2? The USSR and USA (also other smaller nations) all invaded countries
The US has been involved in over 200 military interventions since 2001. Switzer's comment was outrageous for its bias and being so contrary to reality. Representative of the absence of intellect in Australia.
I think he meant “first invasion in Europe since WW2”…but even that is incorrect
Hence , the hypocritical west.
West should stop fueling the wars in this world. And world will be a better place.
West is less than 15% of the world’s population and the majority of the 85% don’t care about what West thinks.
Mearsheimer is knowledgeable and reasonable. I find it kind of sad at a 2023 geopolitical talk of Australia and the US alliance that there’s no Q & A of the Assange issue. It’s an unprecedented move by the US to attempt to charge an Australian citizen publisher (not whistleblower) under the espionage act
Drew Pavlou being THAT guy who turns question into never ending harangue. Won't stop when he's asked to stop. 13:20
Unfortunately most people in politics are like that. Bitter, angry, resentful, alienated, borderline violent. I think John handled it was class
Mearsheimer starts talking at 9.20.
Now now you have to eat your veggies they're part of a full meal
@@cyberninjazero5659 LOL x
@@cyberninjazero5659 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The US version of world leadership is savage and primitive.
How do you think the United States was created?
The early European settlers (mostly British) in North America weren't nice people. They were greedy, violent, and religiously intolerant.
The American constitution allows for restraint on the last indicator, but not the first two. The American system remains greedy & violent.
It is the best leadership to keep the savage fascist world and inferior savage systems of third world in check.
Our understandings of the world say a lot about us. @@breezeanonymous6034
Compared to what?
@@rickgoblok1625 They have no comparison. Even ex-president Carter said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation.
Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history--1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter's presidency. Carter referred to the US as "the most warlike nation in the history of the world," a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to "adopt our American principles."
You can be intellectual without being a realist at the same time. But you can't be realist without being an intellectual as well. Great discussion. It's always soothing to hear commonsense is still alive
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Depends what you mean by intellectual. Are these idealists/ideologues, who begin with a premise of Anglo-American hegemony forever, really intellectuals? Or religionists engaging in apolgetics? Or, just gangsters who speak in sophisticated phrases?
@@africkinamerican Nothing last forever
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@@africkinamerican how you(or anyone )interpret the meaning of you hear depends on your own understanding and views about the subject. I see it in my own view, according to my values. I recognise every country has her own right to secure her own security. In my view, a multipolar word is inevitable. Hegemony of one country ( like the USA) will not be possible anymore. Russia and China have emerged as great powers, making it very difficult for the USA to remain one single country able to design the global geo- political landscape. It's natural to strive for power, the only difference is, an intelligent and rational person will outweigh the price his country needs to pay for it, and whether it can be achieved in a different way before resulting to violence. You also don't want to underestimate your opponent, or destabilise your allies... Like the US did with European partners. Mearsheimer is a very realistic and intelligent person. I wouldn't take him for a hegemonist or ideologist. He is simply applying Maslow's pyramid on a "country scale". Every reasoning for the need of the security in Maslow's pyramid, as well as the higher levels in it, are applicable not on for the human as an individual but the countries as entities. Shouldn't be difficult to understand and yet some countries and some people believe they are more entitled to economical and political freedom and security than others. Of course, some realities are hard to circumvent no matter how persistent you are in creating public narrative. Even the strongest belief would make no difference this late in the game.
@@maron8824 just a minor correction but kinda unnecessary, as for Russia, its a former superpower. our country, China, is the one emerging
The thing for me as Colombian and Latin American is that I don't see any added value with the relationship that Latin America has with the US. The relationship is on a failed war on drugs where we keep putting the deaths and have to face the cartels and their violence (and the criminalization and stigma abroad), while for the US is an addiction problem that only grows. We have paid in full the check of deads while nothing seems to come from them and their addiction problem just grows. We all know the only way out is legalization. Beyond that, the engagement of US in the region is mainly focussed on fossil fuel extraction and exploitation of raw materials that don't leave any of the added value in the region, neither transfer any technology. And this is precisely what the relationship with China has been about, diversifying the productive capacity of the region beyond a failed war on drugs without future or chance to win, and beyond the exploitation of raw materials. The cooperation with China in the region has lead to the construction of railroads, ports, improvements in the transport systems of Latin American cities, among many other projects with palpable technology transfer, impossible to achieve with partnerships from US/Europe (the west), this because they don't care and they don't see the region beyond a huge shelf where to take cheap stuff from. I understand the Australian position on the discussion, but it takes me to reflect from my perspective/context. For Latin America the multipolar world offers big opportunities and I hope the region continues to disengage from the western sphere of influence and continues to diversify its relationships with China, Brics, and another multipolar pannels/organizations.
The US has nothing to offer to anybody. Australia included.
Although, most Australians will disagree, I get that.
Once global markets start to fall apart into the economic zones, the economic situation in Australia will change drastically.
"First time we've seen an invasion of another nation state since WW2". Korea begs to disagree. Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos beg to disagree. Afghanistan and Iraq would beg to disagree. Serbia would beg to disagree. The CIS doesn't even understand basic modern history. What an embarrassment.
And Ukraine, Yemen, Libya, the entire Balkans, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait. And then there are all the 'invasions' by NATO memebership and by military bases around the world, including Israel in Palestine.
i believe that Tom just repeats that mainstream media says- all American wars are not realy invasions even war Iraq against the UN declaration
Spot on. It's strange that John didn't pick that up.
You forgot little Granada.
Please also add Bangladesh, india invaded the then east pakistan in 1971 to liberate it and establish the nation of Bangladesh. And please also add the invasion of egypt by israel, france and britain in 1956 and the arab invasion of israel in 48. And the Iraqi invasion of iran in the 80s and the Iraqi invasion of kuwait in 1990s and the turkish invasion of cyprus and the israeli invasion of lebanon and the Indonesian invasion of east Timor and the Chinese invasion of india in 1962 and the Chinese invasion and annexation of tibet and xinjiang in 1950s.😅
The clickbaity RUclips version of the title would be “Mearsheimer DESTROYS Varghese on US Grand Strategy, Ukraine, Russia and China”.
We will let the viewers decide on that one.
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@@CISAus lol of course. Just having a bit of fun. 😉
Of course he was not there to try to destroy Johns arguments but to provide more depth and broaden the discussion. Nice event. Thanks.
John Mearsheimer is the only highly intelligent and also insightful person speaking in this conference. It reminds me of a teacher with some students who think they know more than they do.
clearly US survival matters to the US, absolutely. However, its about time Australia looked after its own interests, and that need not be with the US. Wasn't it you who said that being an Allie/ client state of the US is very dangerous - fatal infact ( Ukraine, case in point). Thank you JM.
It was Kissenger.
Mearsheimer is like a world champion boxer. He knows how to punch and counterpunch without losing composure. The only thing that I do not understand is why more do not listen to him when he has been proven to be RIGHT so many times. Thank you Dr Mearsheimer for your brilliance. A lone voice in a world that seems to be going mad. I don't want to go on and on but Mearsheimer always displays authoritative knowledge balanced by genuine humility. A true Statesman
Because they don't want to hear what he's saying, or...they've been brainwashed by the MSM of what the US wants the people to think.
I have admirably watched videos of professor Mearsheimer and in debates more or less like this one he was overwhelmingly the front runner. In this debate I felt like he and Mr. Varghese were telling the same story but from different angles. They both have understood what is going on and why! My best regards to both of you!
You are missing the whole plot of his talk. Meashemier is clearly a speaker for the US Right or Neo-cons. Listen to his final address. He says US should not even accept China dominating Asia and US must be the Biggest hegemon. So it's okay for US to dominate the world but not China or others!???
China will be the Biggest economy by 2030 with an equally powerful Military. By then she will also be at the forefront of cutting edge technology and in some areas even US cannot match her! So why should China not challenge US? It's totally illogical and any objective observer should know this. But China has ALWAYS told US that they should work together... it's vital for Global security. Meashemier does not seem to agree. So he thinks eventually there should be a confrontation.. And that is good for the World! Is he out of his mind!??? And you think he talks sense???
Varghese.
fixed! Thanks @@AjaySingh-mw7sy
A good refresher into the liberal versus realist debate in Western international relations.
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@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613 How much it is compare to Britain after WWII, can't paid their bills.
A ceasefire works in israel's favor only ~ not the Palestinian civilians and certainly not Hamas.
A ceasefire would still allow israel to withhold food water and medical supplies for the Palestinians ~ not just the bombs.
Jews have certainly come full circle.
Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews.
Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'.
Israel has a helluva way of acquiring property they want to own using the blood of another group of people as payment.
Who will be next after the Palestinians???
@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613 These numbers tell you nothing because you don’t mention the context. It is like telling you my mortgage debt without mentioning my yearly income and the value of my house .
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Such an awkward moment when John said 'It's not good for for Australian to have a wealthy Indonesia neighbor'. Bet Indonesia is taking notes and strategizing.
It would be a win win situation and he knows it...
Indeed as per that theory most other non Western countries should never entertain the thoughts of being wealthy and powerful lest it attract the wrath of the one and only hegemon❗️
He's just telling the truth.
@@sunmatr Or at least it is western thought in past 100 years. This kind mindset need to be changed, the world is big enough for countries to be rich without exploit each other
Yes tell them John
Your few words speak volumes on the truth and the absurdity of US incompetence in recent years
John Mersheimer - thank you for sharing with us your clear and well justified views . What you say makes sense.
15:26 "this is not a question, it's an indictment, continue with the indictment" lol perfect.
"The US primacy matters because this determines the US survival". Wow... So, what JM means, if you think about it, is that the US is now (its own fault, actually) in a unenviable position of having to rely solely on its military (and banking) power to stay on top, instead of remaking itself into a successful country, with great economy and attractive values, which it more or less used to be fifty years ago. As a matter of fact it looks like by now US has no other recourse but maintain its hegemony using brute force despite many other countries inclinations to the contrary. It did not used to be that way, and the worst problem is that the US government does not want to return to those times when America had moral authority but also attractive economy and properly functioning (and not as corrupt) government. By now US has destroyed its manufacturing, its middle class, its courts and political system, as well as its society's moral underpinnings - so... will we ever wake up?
From wiki: Mearsheimer is best known for developing the theory of offensive realism, which describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system.
That's quite a primitive theory more befitting 18-19 centuries
@@RomanGolubev_A Do you think we should tell the Americans ? Their second amendment is from that time period too . That is how they got to here .
@@mikeboate208 the theory postulates that great powers as disposed toward expansion. where did the US expand in the last 100 years?
@@RomanGolubev_AYou should pull out a few history books! From the war of independence onward: the Spanish Amerucan war on a pretext gave the USA the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam, and a big chunk of territory, the war against the Hawaiian monarchy gave them Hawaii, the war against the newly independent and weak Mexico gave them even more. (most of southern and western US was once mexico). Have you ever heard of American Samoa. Then they woke up. Rather than governing the countries they invade, an expensive proposition, it is far better to place acquiescent governments in place in those places and they become vassal states while making the various dictators and their cronies into billionaires. So we had the Poroshenko government in Ukraine after Victoria Nuland's coup, the unelected government in south Vietnam before reunification, the Pinochet government in Chile. The USA uses NATO to do its dirty work, bombing Yugoslavia, invading Syria, Libya etc. NATO is Almost wholly funded by the USA and does as directed by the USA.
@@margaretcaine4219 i said "for the last 100 years", that's from 1923 on. The only two states to join were Alaska and Hawaii. So let's not list colonial times coz Russia was just a colonial power as lots of others.
The rest of what you said is just pure Russian anti-american propaganda. Ukrainians have their own agency, just like lots of other nations to action change in their country. I also remind you that NATO, just as the EU, makes decisions on a consensus basis.
Mearsheimer is wise and I agree with him!!
If you think he's wise, then you're the reason the west is in decline LMAO
You need to see a psychiatrist.
@@hoekeatung1760you need to see a prostitute
Funny, how an ignorant former Australian diplomat and civil servant, is telling a renowned US scholar of War studies Prof. Mearsheimer, what the US should or shouldn't do with regards to the conflicts the US finds itself in at the moment
The Australian can better pause for a second, and consider the sheer number of - illegal - wars and military operations the US [and NATO] has been waging since WWII, in countries like:
1945-1949: China
1947-1949: Greece
1948: Costa Rica
1949-1953: Albania
1949: Syria
1950-1953: South Korea
1950-1953: Burma and China
1952: Egypt
1952: Guatemala
1952-1953: Iran
1954: Guatemala
1956-1957: Syria
1957-1959: Indonesia
1959-1963: South Vietnam
1959-1962: Cuba
1960-1965: Congo-Leopoldville
1960: Laos
1961: Dominican Republic
1961-1964: Brazil
1963: Iraq
1965-1967: Indonesia
1970: Cambodia
1970-1973: Chile
1971: Bolivia
1974-1991: Ethiopia
1975-1991: Angola
1975-1999: East Timor
1976: Argentina
1979-1992: Afghanistan
1980-1989: Poland
1981-1982: Chad
1981-1990: Nicaragua
1983: Grenada
1989-1994: Panama
1989: Paraguay
1991: Iraq
1991: Haiti
1992-1996: Iraq
1994-1995: Haiti
1996-1997: Zaire
2000: FR Yugoslavia
2001-2021: Afghanistan
2003-2023: Iraq
2005: Kyrgyzstan
2006-2007: Palestinian Territories
2005-2009: Syria
2011: Libya
2012-2023: Syria
2014-2023: Yemen
2014-2023: Ukraine
2023: Somalia
But then again, one couldn't expect anything else, from a former diplomat of Australia
Next time invite Paul Keating, former President of Australia in order to ensure a proper context
That’s some list 😮
My guess is that a lot of these wars/interventions had nothing to do with the fact these countries were a military threat to the U.S. but more to do with the fact that they could or were moving towards a system that wasn’t Capitalist and therefore were not going to be as easily able to be stripped of there resources and of course a successful socialist system is a real threat to capitalism even a capitalist system with a social conscience is seen as a major threat
Funny how you actually support what the diplomat is saying but not intelligent to realise it.
@@MD-ib4ixVarghese agrees with all these wars.
I haven't seen the same comment elsewhere😂 CCP bot
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Having growing up in China and later on studying and working in the States, I had some very perplexing political thoughts and ideas as opposed to mainstream media…and to find John’s interviews and lectures is like finally finding that friend who could read your minds and translate that into words…amazing feeling
0:00 P.Varghese
0:37 can US focus on multiple conflicts?
4:51 autralia have no problem with a (liberal) hegemon
6:05 given the polirazation in US, why cant it focus on the main competitor (china)?
8:11 the alliance structure is NOW necessary to US
9:10 J.J.Mearsheimer's response
10:35 on ukraine war, what about the moral argument ?
11:38 the principal cause of war
12:18 people wanting Us to protect them?
12:47 US is obliged...
13:24 Mearsheimer's changing (& wrong) claimns on ukraine war
15:49 J.J answers
19:09 what should be the relationship be between australia-china?
21:36 containing strategy vs constraining strategy
24:48 when china will make a move on taiwan?
28:18 future powerfull indonesia & american assistance?
31:57 is abandoning afghanistan good decision?
32:21 J.J
33:30 P.V
34:34 what great power australia will choose ( & 2 unanswered questions)?
35:15 what great power australia will choose
37:08 australia & india relationship
40:00 why focusing on american hegemony?
42:25 how india's emergence change the balance of power?
42:56 J.J
44:33 P.V
45:52 NATO vs current alliance structures in asia
48:30 outro
Prof John is much more rational and fairer than most of the scholars
Because they're all intransigent idealogues.
The first question is from a guy who doesn’t understand his point of view
His answers are boilerplate and simple yet the JM critics never address his answers I'm so sick of ppl not taking him seriously while also not knowing his arguments he's been so prescient and somehow ppl think he's got everything wrong at least the guy asked the question I was hoping for a longer answer
If you read the Wikipedia entry on Drew Pavlov you’ll understand why
The second gentleman asked John (who is an American and obviously has been advocating for the interest of the U.S) for his opinion and advice on Australia's economic and diplomatic relationship with China. This question went so smooth and without being questioned by the audience, but it really prompts me to wonder, is Australia an independent sovereignty or not?
Stupid question. Of course Australia is not; Varghese demonstrated that extremely clearly as did that NAFO shill in the crowd.
That’s the wrong question to ask. You sound like you believe “sovereignty” means being able to act and behave however you like without thought or consequence. There’s no such thing. We are all constrained by the will and exigencies of others. That is true of your personal relationships with other people, your relationship you have with government and most definitely the relationship your country has with other nations, particularly as it relates to global powers like the US. There is no “sovereignty” where you can be free as you like, only trade offs.
@@mensrea1251 huh, I don't know how you derive such a conclusion that I believe “sovereignty” means being able to act and behave however you like without thought or consequence. Of course I don't, and my perception of sovereignty is that a sovereign country should be able to make independent decisions and actions that benefit its people the most, NOT following a hegemony in every aspect.
@@Internetbutthurt well then you and I have the same answer to this stupid question
nope.
I'm going with Mearsheimer on this one.........
I would question the assumption that Indonesia would side with Australia. Indonesia has never liked Australia, it has coveted all the land it has. It is far likely to take the opportunity if there is a war with China to seize the opportunity to attack Australia. There is no advantage in them attacking China and in fact they have already said they won’t, along with Singapore. The assumption that the Asian countries hate China is a miscalculation. They change their minds every other day
Indonesia and Singapore are not directly threatened by China. Ask Vietnam and the Philippines.
USA will be there for you, when China ban Auatralian Wheat, wine, lobster…. What did American do? USA exported more these to China😂😂😂😂😂😂
Aukus
And who precipitated the ban? Scomo, in deference to Trump, blaming China for the pandemic and loudly calling for an international enquiry.
Jean Mearshiemer is a great strategist. He is always right. His projection always comes true. He who is not agreeing with him is lacking knowledge.
The first individual in the audience that asked that “question” of John was ridiculous to the extreme.
Kudos to John for calmly and rationally responding/defending himself
Couldn't agree more
Excelente! I live un Bogota, Colombia.. thanks to internet I coud be there in the talking(few months later). My son shared it.
How nice to find people like Dr. Mearsheimer telling about these two terrible conflicts. I have been reading many things because it's unbelievable not to stop what Israel is doing to Palestinians .
Poor John, how did CIS let Pavlov on, making a fool of himself and the CIS.
some people lack the embarrassment gene.
Brilliant Mearsheimer. My question: Would Australians be willing to play a role like UKRAINE to protect US influence in the region?
If Australia was willing to play the same role as Ukraine there would be no Aussie males under the age of 65 in Australia anymore
@@zackhawn5944 What does that mean?
Good God! I hope not!
Go Mearsheimer!
Varghese couldn`t tie Mearscheiers shoelaces.
Or shine it?
Thank you all gentlemen for your open disscussion about current affair of global politics.We see professor John Mearsheimer as a real wise and mature personal. Thanks again.
Stephen Kotkin had a good response to argument that the US is responsible for the war in Ukraine, he basically said: Ukraine was not close to joining NATO, but even if it were - Ukraine is a sovereign country, and every sovereign country has a right to negotiate their own securities deals. You don't get to invade a country because you fear that one day it might join a security deal that you don't like.
It would be like if US thought Mexico might someday join a security deal with China... and then the US invades Mexico and then justifying it by saying its China's fault for making them feel unsafe.
Question please! Hate it when people make statements, especially when it takes forever and it all ends in … nothing.
Thank you Mr John Mearsheimer !
Thank you for your show .
Good debate, but the average Australian cares why prices have gone up, inflation, the immigration of millions from India and China to Australia and why Albo and his government can't do anything about it. We have to debate tnese issues аnd not to make comments about the internal affairs of the KGB on both sides - Ukraine and Russia.
We have to fokus on these before is very late!
More immigration = more rental increase =more inflation = more interst rate increase = more homeless = less available jobs😢
This man knows what he is talking about and those people who ask stupid questions need to go home and study for years..
They know the truth and they know their role
Mr.Mearshimer, I am a little knowledge person than you and asking the questions journalist but your answer is so simple to understand to me. I am overwhelmed!
Well, i understand that knowledge is not the truths, its only a Roadmap to find the truth........we all have to think by ourselves
Need Paul Keating and John Mearsheimer next.
Mr Drew Pavlou ( the guy who did the 10 minutes question/indictment ) is an embarrassment for the University of Queensland. That student started a violent feud with Chinese students on campus and got himself expelled from the university. Then he started a public camping against the chancellor and got himself reinstated. Here we see him again throwing a bravado at Professor Mearsheimer. What a disgrace !
In my own personal Opinion, the behavior of that student amounts to racism and pose some serious questions about his mental health.
I could listen to John all day , so wise, so clear , rockstar
Regarding 36:35 What is located at the two square miles between white House and Capital building at Pennsylvania avenue?
I love how Australians actually think they are mighty and important on the global stage. Lol, they are so adorable
Minute 12:40 the debate was done ! Hands down Dr. Mearsheirmer destroyed the neoliberal thinkers !
Imagine having the internet and RUclips ability to reach deep into the archives of Prof Mearsheimer and then publicly say that he has been wrong. I'm yet to find an instance where the trend that the professor established was off. If anything, he has been prophetic, in fact, once he presents the evidence is not rocket science of course he is correct, he has been paying attention.
yes, that question/inditement was gobsmackingly stupid
"If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine. Putin is much too smart to try that." - John Mearsheimer, being unfortunately incorrect.
Great arguments. It was super cool and educational to listen to those distinguished gentlemen.
CIS could not get Dr. Kishore Mahbubani to do a follow up from three years ago interview with Mearsheimer ????
Sometimes Democracy and freedom of speech are taken advantage of by villains.
The statement by Varghese that he doesn't mind a hegamon is interesting. Many countries don't mind American hegemony but America fights them anyways. This is true for many middle eastern countries that America invades and destroys.
But I'm not sure what Varghese meant by liberal democratic hegemon. Culturally America may be liberal, but is it democratic? My understanding is that according to Mearsheimer America is ruled by lobby groups and isn't a democracy. Of course one may prefer undemocratic American hegemon to undemocratic Chinese hegemon. As they say a familiar satan is better than an unknown angel.
Russia vs Ukraine is not the first time a big power invaded a smaller country since world war 2. How about iraq, afganistan, vietnam.
If I lived in the Ukraine, of course I want EU and NATO membership; this is not US hegemony, but alignment with the modern world.
I like this discussion. There were 2 speakers with critically different points of view, giving us a wider appreciation of all points of the issue. Very enlightening.
great debate. vigorous yet respectful exchange between mearsheimer and varghese.
Prof John Mearsheimer is only person who has deep understanding of the geopolitic of the world.
We call them "Monday Morning Quarterbacking". Games Over.
John, you are a brave man! Thank you for your honesty and clear vision 🤝
Brave , i think because he gas all the right facts and the composure of a wise man .
I still want to hear Johns view on the importance of BRICS+ I've never heard his view on this.
The question at 13:30 destroys Mearsheimer completely, yet he proceeds to glibly lie his way out of it. There's no point listening to a man with no coherent thesis and the willingness to lie about everything. :/
Lots of things to learn from these scholars. As a citizen, i just dont want the super power would be aggressive as USA. People want peace. Multi-polars is ideal for me
What do you mean by "peace?" Peace from war, diplomatic struggles, conflicts, etc.? Multi-polarity is the antithesis of peace.
@@edwardcumpstey9061 there are four ways to improve ourselves.
1.Focus on myself only ;
2.impair others only;
3.develop myself and impair others;
4.the last one is develop myself and support others.
For me, when USA was leading a well ahead of others, it used the 1 way
Everytime, there was countries get closed to it economically, and it used 2-3 ways.
Like soviet, japan, china.
But i believe the sum of development is not fixed. We can defilitely try no. 4. And think win-win.
When everyone has their own interests,Multi-polars can take accounts on everyone's benefits.
China doesn’t seek unipolar hegemony and not to dominate others also they have no ambition to colonize other countries. They would hv done that in15th century if they want too
Mr varghese makes some great points China dosent pose a a threat to the united states
BUT the US / MIC both need enemies and also dont want China to rise that its primacy is eroded.
China would love to keep the American market open.
10:46 Russia's invasion of Ukraine was the first invasion since the WW2?
On that scale in Europe anyway and annexations don't happen that often either.
17:00 It was Putins miscalculation, he thought he had modern, well trained army capably of the task. He thought he would be USA in Iraq. If Nazi Germany just intended take a small part of Soviet, they would still have to send a enormous army. You don't scale your efforts by the size of the chunk you intend to take, you scale it after what you think it will take to defeat your enemy.
"War is old men talking, and young men dying." Odysseus
What Varghese says about the Middle Kingdom is exactly what the US has been doing since the end of WW II. Initially it was easy because most of the world was way behind the US in its industrial development and hence military power. Today things have so drastically that is delusional to think that the US is still the sole dominant global power.
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The US is dominant militarily and financially (reserve currency, petrodollar), those are pretty good trump cards to have.
@@kiwitrainguy Financially because it controls the global media. But once majority of the people wake up the US financial wealth holds no value. US would relegate to what happened to Britain in the dawn of 20th century, NOT so powerful but still has voice in geopolitics.
I think Varghese is absolutely correct about. the need and desirability to create defence autonomy in Australia.
ETA: the guy who was so rude to Mearsheimer: shame on you. Totally not in the spirit of civilised debate.
It was a very interesting session, especially the questions involving the role of China in the world and the region.
Thanks CIS !
Mearsheimer's arguments fail over and over. But he is a man of integrity. It is likely his position on the Ukraine/Russia conflict is as it is now because his pride won't allow him to admit he was so wrong, rather than any nefarious or corrupt reasons.
Nobody has elaborated on WHY China is a threat?
Because it has boundary disputes with every other nation on its border, and keeps creating new ones as it gets more expansionist.
I don't think that's the reason why "America" says they are a threat to Americans.@@gopalramanathan7062
@@gopalramanathan7062 Lol. How many countries did China invaded since 1979. They are more powerful now, they should have invaded these neighboring countries? But why, they didn't because they know that war is not a solution unlike your country USA who constantly been involved with war, bombing and invasion for countless of years since its inception.