I have had my original Vaquero long colt for 25 years and it is still by far the absolute favorite pistol at my disposal. Incredibly comfortable to shoot. I used paint to dial it in then when I found my mark I notched the sight. I wouldn't give mine up for anything. The Buffalo Bore rounds are crazy to shoot out of it but its lots of fun. I'm sure the .357 is a fine pistol but I have always been attracted to the .45 round even in my 45-70 lever action. Like the saying goes, "sometimes short fat and slow gets the job done well". My .2 cents and experience. Ruger did a fantastic job with the Vaquero.
@puertoricanboy100 I don't but if I got the new convertible cylinder I probably could. I shoot cowboy (plinking) loads, home defense loads, hot loads and snake shot. I want to get the new cylinder just haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Those original Vaqueros were something else. My buddy was working as a gunsmith and had a pair of them in .45 Colt come in to be fitted with birds head grips and accurized with matched triggers. I usually got to test fire his work when he finished a job. They were an absolute joy to shoot.
the caveat is that you need to buy them as a fitted pair. They don't just sell 45 ACP cylinders by themselves. If you buy the "convertible" you get both.
I bought the 357 version. I really like being able to shoot 38special at the range while having the option to load 357 for more practical purposes. And frankly I think the 357 is just a much better cartridge than the 45
@@christopherrowley7506 Smokeless powder was originally invented in 1884 so it certainly is authentic! O.F. Mossberg, of Mossberg and Sons, invented the transfer bar safety system while working at the Iver Johnson firearms company. For some reason, Ruger says they invented it but that's not correct.
IDK, at one time Elmer Keith did an evaluation of bullet shape, diameter, weight, and velocity on accuracy, and came out with his own design SWC bullets to take advantage of his findings. He was definitely in favor of the 44 size, which would match up to the 45LC with the Keith SWC bullets.
Hell, the .38 special +p even could. The army switched from .45lc to a lighter pistol round in the late 1800s but found out when fighting the Moro natives and their big tropical hardwood shields in the Philippines, that they needed something better, and the .38 special was developed.
Not even close. The.45 Colt was loaded with as much as 40 grains of black under a 250 grain bullet for around 975-1000 fps from a 7.5” barrel. And as we all know, muzzle energy in handgun rounds has nothing to do with short range knock down power. One center hit with the “reduced” 30 grain of black military loads and the drugged up Moros were done.
@@876mpr They weren't using .45 LC ones as standard issue going into the Spanish American War, over 5 years earlier the army had switched to .38LC, which was significantly less powerful, thus the .38 special was necessary to develop.
James M Correct, The .38 Long Colt was woefully underpowered, leading the army to rush the SAA back out to the troops in the Philippines. However, the.38 Special only throws an 8 grain heavier bullet about 100 fps faster than the .38 Long Colt, so it really wasn’t much more powerful until the .38-44 was introduced in 1930. Check out the Thompson-LaGarde tests from 1903-1904. Includes the.38 revolver rounds, 9mm, .38 Colt auto, and the.45 caliber rounds of the day. They concluded that the next military round had to be at least .45.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 and another in .44 mag. I also have a Colt SAA and a Ruger Vaquero, both in .45LC. I have found the .357 to be a bit more accurate at ranges of 100 yards, but I would prefer the .45 should I find myself in a gunfight. I can shoot it a bit faster with more confidence in hitting where I want. Other than that, either works for me. They both work well on feral hogs, and they are tough! One point he failed to make considering the 5 oz difference in weight between the .357 and the .45. Once loaded the .45 ammo is a bit heavier than the .357. I doubt there is more than 2-3 oz difference between the two both loaded.
I have shot these guns for many years I wouldn't file the sight it's an elevation sight for further distances I can shoot my 45 colt ruger vaquero at 65 yards and hit spot on and I never have filed the sight just dont use the whole sight line it up and make the sights level with each other.
I've had a Ruger Vaquero .45 Colt for 20 some years and it's my FAVORITE pistol! They're a little too bulky for concealed carry but for any kind of sport shooting or just recreational shooting, nothing beats .45 Colt. Anyone who hasn't tried one should try it. Go to a good shooting range and rent one, try shooting 100 rounds at least. For home defense the .45 Colt has all the stopping power of any of the magnums but FAR less recoil. And you won't have to worry about it going thru the intruder, thru walls and maybe hitting a family member. The .45 Long Colt WAS the "magnum" pistol of it's day. Also, the single action is very good for teaching a beginner how to shoot. The recoil is light enough that your wife or daughters won't be afraid of it and flinch when firing. I taught my wife and daughter how to shoot with my Vaquero and both of them have very good proficiency. I know either of them could effectively protect themselves in the event of a home intruder. They both easily mastered 9mm pistols for concealed carry also, after first learning the basics with the .45.
See Maas Ayoob's interview with Bob Stasch ex Chicago cop and expert on gun fights he survived 14 gunfights and was considered an expert who later trained other cops. He first carried .45 long colt revolvers since that was before the .357 magnum.His experience was that only head shots would be a "one shot stopper" he peppered guys with .45 colt and they still didn't drop. He later changed to training with shooting pie plates to simulate heads. I will post the RUclips link.this was an amazing interview of someone who speaks from real life experience. It will enlighten you about "stopping power." of course loads are better today, but .45 long colt was still a beefy load back in the day.Check it out: ruclips.net/video/Yd3v_fssabI/видео.html
Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to create this informative video. I have a Henry rifle in 45 Colt and wanted to get a revolver in the same caliber. Your video was helpful.
after looking up different saa for ages i went with the uberti 357 7.5" calvery. it was cheaper, has the 4 hammer clicks, beautiful color case hardening, and quilted polished dark walnut grips. everyone says it looks way to pretty to shoot, and plenty of cowboy action shooting competitors use uberti's. only thing is you have to find one that calls out to you, since they have made so many different varieties and flavors, finding one you really really like can be a treasure hunt.
@@stevestringham1095 lol i shot it the other day. i hand loaded some 38 short colts and 38 special wad cutter. the people next to me at the range were talking to each other about how they wanted to get an old school cowboy revolver when they saw it. its great with 357 mag .with the rounded handle the gun rolls up deflecting most of the recoil, so you don't hurt your hand. with the longer barrel the gun rises around 45° with hot loads. the gun weight + barrel lenght + handle + caliber all complement and balance with each other really well.
Hello, Kenneth. I am interested in the Big Boy in 45 LC. I've read nothing but great reviews on it with different calibers. How does the 45 LC handle on the Big Boy? Thank you.
Mikey Torres Mine shoots like a dream and very little felt recoil. I have only shot cowboy action loads in it but I plan to shoot some Buffalo Bore +P loads in it soon. I also put a Skinner peep sight on it. Had to put a higher front sight on it as well that I also got from Skinner.
Well...I've owned all of them. .38/.357 .45 ACP LC and every magnum made. Frankly...shoot what you're comfortable with.. A 38 Special is a great defense round if you can hit what you want. .45 ACP and LC are good. But keep in mind that shooting at the range with ear muffs is way different from firing a gun in a room where your ears will be ringing or you'll burst an ear drum if you use big loads or magnums. Even a .22 mag is an ear splitting round in a close room. I have no problem with a .22LR in a revolver or .38 wadcutters low loads. At 6-15 feet indoors 1)you can't miss if you shoot a lot 2) you won't wreck your hearing 3) the bullet doesn't come out. Hit someone in the shoulder They're hurt bad or knee and they drop. If you're in dire circumstances go for a head shot. .22 in the head usually stops them and .38 is...a no brainer....it's really about calm under pressure...hit what you're shooting at, don't go jerking the trigger and spraying bullets all over the place. That church shooting in Texas? The attacker had a shotgun the defender a handgun...one shot from the defender killed the attacker. FYI.
I just load 38 wadcutters in my vintage light alloy Colt Agent or my old S & W Model 60. I also like non magnum big bore revolvers like my Charter Bulldog 44 Special which I believe has the same knock down power as the legendary 45 Colt.
@@scooterbob4432 yep. 38 waddies are a great up close round. People have no idea what it's like to be shot... Try taking 38 waddies in a kevlar vest at 12 feet...hurts so bad you'll feel like you got kicked by a mule. So to get shot by any round is ouch! But adrenaline kicks in and even mags don't stop someone unless it's a kill. Battlefield stats are full of guys who got hit badly and kept fighting anyway. So .... Choose your favorite.
@@marktombazian6490 Unlike Hollywood movies, it's true that some people got shot several times but still kept on fighting. But I guess shot placements really helps in stopping a threat. A 1911 45 ACP is one of the proven manstopper but I feel more comfortable shooting my revolvers because of my aging fingers and hands. My RIA 1911 A2 Hi-Cap is getting too heavy for me to be carrying around lately. Well, let's just continue enjoying doing our favorite hobby. Stay safe.
I have the stainless steel 4.75 in barrel in .357 cal. Its a beautiful pistol! Much better looking than black. If you’re thinking of buying one, get it. You won’t be disappointed!
Excellent information for those of us new to single sixes...and great info on what to be realistic about for grouping...I have some 6" performance center guns that are more accurate than some rifles...but I was takin aback when I shot my new vaquero haha ...5 - 6" groups and all low. But these guns also have rudimentary sights...I will play some more before filling.
I would say for a range gun or for light defensive shooting, the .357 magnum is ideal. My opinion is that the extra weight is good for accuracy, and the extra metal in the barrel and cylinder means you can shoot whatever .357 mag loads you want without issue. Post-apocalypse approved!
Be careful, there are a few major manufacturers that produce .357 magnum revolvers that are not made to shoot a steady diet of that caliber. I might be wrong but I think the S&W Model 19 or Model 66 is one of those.
@@evocati6523 Wanna talk delusional? Talking out your ass with numbers found on a website...Come back when you have real-world experience kid. Stick to Call of Duty.
Very thorough and clear; thank you. When I weigh my firearms with a digital scale, I choose to load them (carefully, of course). My guess is that your .357 would possibly weigh less, loaded, than your .45 LC, loaded, because each round is 100 grams heavier (250 to 158 in "standard" loads). Your actual "carry weight," when the firearm is loaded on the hip, would probably be very close to equivalent. Thanks again.
It's possible that the .357 has a heavier barrel but I don't know. Either way, I don't think it matters, which I say based on carrying heavier handguns in a holster. The difference is probably not going to be noticeable.
@@kennethquesenberry2610 Yes I know empty the 45s are lighter. The outside of the guns are the same so bigger bore in cylinder and barrel lightens them up. You will notice this if you pick them up side by side.
No brainer, 357 anyday, the 45 colt is a flying saucer, stand behind the shooter in low light you can see the bullet in flight its so slow, its way past its prime.
Note, if you wanna shoot cfda, you'll need the .45...secondly you weigh the ammo and add to the overall weight, because that's what you are really pulling out of the holster.
If it shoots low, aim high, but don't file down the front sight! Anyways, it will vary depending on the ammo. Better than painting the front sight would be a piece of masking tape. Don't scar-up the revolver, you'll lessen the value.
Overall I agree. There are also so many variables in how your shots will fall that the front sight is not the only one to factor in. What is most important (imo) is to simply know your gun. With practice you will know how your gun shoots given range, load, etc. And in all honesty, it does not take long to figure that all out.
That may be true, but if you buy your guns to shoot, you might want to just file it down and forget about "value". I mean if you want increasing value, then buy a nice watch or stocks and bonds. If you want to go and shoot and have gun, you might not care about that... especailly with mass produced guns like the RUgers.
Filing down the front sights was common practice in the old west - that is why the manufacturers almost always created tall front sights for the shooter to make their own adjustments...albeit crude with a file. It really is up to the shooter...
I wouldn't personally file mine down but they Billy the Kid filed his front sight down to get a drop on Sheriff Brady as he said in the movie if it's true is anybody's guess !!!
If your shooting low it is probably the shooter not the gun they are pulling low when anticipating the shot. The easiest way to check only load 4 rounds spin the cylinder so you don't know where he empties are aim at center of the target and fire if you yanking down on the dry chambers it is you .
As a gunsmith and avid single action fan. This is the revolver I would recommend. And did to a brother in Idaho. Oh and Ruger has about the best guarantee I've ever seen.
That blued one is so beautiful and shiny! Would you ever make a newer video of that one in higher definition? Just a couple min of holding it and showing it from different angles and close up etc. The definition of this one is a bit dated unfortunately as happens with time.
The Vaquero is a copy of the Colt Peacemaker the New Army had a post site on the front and if it was using metallic cartridges require a conversion kit because they were cap and ball pistols. The Peacemaker was designed for metallic cartridges from the git go.
nice review. since I'm in the market for one of these I appreciate it very much. I will definitely be going with the 357 magnum. I've seen the Bisley on video and once in a store but never handled it. it dosnt have the Colt Army look but is interesting to me. oh, my question,. I was under the impression that a lighter bullet with a higher load would raise the point of impact. apparently not. it's hard with the contradictory info one gets on RUclips. overall I've had much more positive experience and have learned alot online. I will check out more of your videos and possibly add you to my short list of subscitions. Thanks again and safe shootin to ya.
Louis Macchia thanks. I've been very happy with my 357 Blackhawk convertible. I've two ruger rifles so I am big on rugers. heck my 9 year old daughter has a ruger bearcat as well. I will definitely go with the Vaquero in 357 / 38.. just have to find one that feels right in my hand. Bisley or new Vaquero? we will see. thanks again and safe shootin to ya!
+Xundus the original Vaqueros were built off the SuperBlackHawk frames. That is what the "Ruger only" loads are for. The New Vaqueros are closer to the SAA which cannot handle the Ruger only loads and shooting them in a new Vaquero can lead to a kaboom
I was thinking about getting into cowboy action shooting. I borrowed a friends vaquero in 45 colt. Bought some ammo for it and was surprised how much ammo was. I then bought two guns and decided to get them in 38/357 for a few reasons. 1. It was the most popular round in cowboy shooting, 2. It's a lot cheaper to shoot. 3. At the cowboy shoots they shoot a lot of low charged 38 rounds with wax bullets. To each his own, get what you want it's your money.
I had an original Vaquero that was case colored .I made the mistake of getting Flitz polish on the frame and it took the color off in seconds.Not real Case coloring . not durable.
I have a new Vaquero. My only beef is the grip is not as long as a SAA. Otherwise a wonderful revolver. I have a Colt SAA replica BB gun. The grip is perfect. About a 1/4 inch longer than the Vaquero. Very comfortable to hold.
I have the same BB gun and I can tell you from owning an actual SAA, the Vaquero grip is about the same length as a real SAA. Those BB guns are off in several dimensions but most noticeably the grip is more like an 1860 Army than an 1873.
I am lolking to get one when I save up again. Just paid off a small loan so a couple months if I can find one I'll probably go with .357/.38 just due to the availability of the ammo. I do reload but finding components is tough now too.
I have a Henry Rifle big boy in 357 mag wondering if this would be a good companion handgun? Looking at a number of revolvers but leaning towards single actions
It's a great companion for a 357 rifle. I have a blued Ruger New Vaquero in .357 with the 4.62 inch barrel. It's flat out awesome fun to shoot. I also have a Henry X Model in .44 magnum and a Super Blackhawk to go with it.
Im going to have to learn how to reload because the 45lc cost about 1.50 each where i live and that makes it hard to enjoy to shoot. I also wish i could swap it with an older one so that i could use grisly 360 grane in it and not blow it up
I own the 45 in stainless with the 4 3/4" barrel. Also have a .45 in a Uberti C.M.S. Pro w/ the 3" barrel. Love em' both. My question concerns the belt and holster shown in your video. I know it's been 5 years, but could you tell me the brand of the holster you have.
There is a safe way to know what you can shoot in the ,45 Vaquero! Any load safe in the original Colt SAA will be more than safe in the new vaquero. I have a Vaquero in .45 and since I also have a new generation Colt SAA in that caliber I use the same ammo in either gun! I also have a Ruger Blackhawk in .357. That is my primary carry gun around my rural property! However, when horseback I carry a .45 because it seems to have less muzzle blast than the .357. More comfortable for my horse. He handles either one fine, but it just seems that way to me. We have a feral hog problem, the .45 might have a slight edge on knocking a hog down. Hard to say.
if you dont reload, you better buy several brands of ammo and different weights of projectile before you think of filing down your sight. I have a ruger single six convertible and have learned the best thing to do is to take a few sighting shots because lots of and brands of 22lr can vary so.much and the poi between 22lr and 22 mag are so different it would be pointless to file it down. Kimda the same if you plan on shooting 38 and 357 or 45lc and 45acp if you get the vaquero with 2 cylinders for the 45's.
It's unfortunate CAS did not stick with its original intent which was to shoot real cowboy loads and the main focus was to have fun. Today it's far too competitive with everyone trying to get an "edge" on the other folks by watering down the loads to the near bare minimum that would get the bullets out of the barrel and still react with the targets. Add in money and valuable prizes to the mix and its become far too competitive. That was not what this sport was intended to be! I got involved because my best friend was active with SASS in CAS and sang its praises to the point I bought two Ruger Vaquero-Bisleys (1997 vintage, old-style) and tried it out a few times. After a short while, I saw where all this was going and stopped, sold one of my Vaquero-Bisleys, keeping the other mainly because of my life-long love affair with the .45 Colt caliber. Most of the serious competitors use .38 Special loads that are so weak that their shooting times are near lightning fast. It's amazing to watch, but again, not what the game was meant to be. I suspect if CAS was to stick with original calibers with full loads used back in the day, the sport would be a whole different ballgame, so to speak. Now, as to loads for .45 Colt single actions, it's become more versatile because Starline, a manufacturer of brass casings, now produces what they call the .45 Cowboy. It's a cross between a .45 Auto case and a .45 Colt case. It has the actual body of a .45 Auto with a .45 Colt rim. This allows much softer shooting cartridges w/o the need to use moon clips such as were used originally during WW1 when Colt and S&W converted heavy frame revolvers that were chambered for .45 Colt to now shoot .45 auto. These were made to fill in the gap when not enough 1911, .45 Auto pistols were available for our troops. Granted, the .45 S&W "Schofield" cartridges were available since 1875 or so and were interchangeable in .45 Colt single-action revolvers but were a problem for swing-out cylinder revolvers because of the difference in rim sizes between the two cartridges. A later variation was the .45 Auto Rim cartridge which didn't require moon clips to facilitate ejecting the cases from the newer swing-out cylindered revolvers but again there seems to be a problem with the rim sizing. So, like the .357 Magnum Vaquero using watered-down .38 Special loadings to help gain an edge in CAS, the .45 Colt now has a viable option to do the same. A 185-grain lead bullet going well under 1,000 fps is still more powerful than a 158-grain bullet with the same velocity and might be able to give those 38'ers a run for their money! Don't get me wrong, I truly like watching CAS events and think it's fun for those who compete but for myself, I don't care to be involved in the competition. I still have that 22-year old Ruger Vaquero-Bisley and a newer Ruger Redhawk, .45 Auto/.45 Colt revolver that can be loaded to pressures, approaching .454 Casull levels! Coming up on being 70 shortly I doubt I will ever load it anywhere near those pressures but it's nice to know I can if needed.
@@toddy2519 Perhaps I should have said that I have never seen cash prizes or valuable merchandise awarded to winners at a SASS match in the 12 years I have been shooting. This includes 2021 End of Trail. That’s my experience. Perhaps you will identify the matches that you attended where something different was done. I am happy to be corrected.
@@abee.s.corpus2455 I was going back 25 years or so relating to my comment. At times participants were given "raffle" tickets at no cost prior to shooting. At the end of the day, a ticket was announced as a winner like in any raffle. Prizes included guns! Then there were side events where guns, accessories, ammo, etc were awarded as prizes. Now, CAS/SASS did not give these raffled items to the winners of the shooting competition but they were given as I mentioned! I will have to talk to my friend to remember where these things took place.
I like the vaquero, but would probably do a slight modification by changing the hammer to the bisley type. .357 mag is nice if you shot a lot. But I love the .45 LC.
Nice SA presentation covering both calibers. It is indeed nice to own at least 1 SA especially in .45 Colt especially a Blackhawk as you can consider putting those more powerful hunting rounds in it. However, if you want it just to carry in the woods/defense the Vaquero is going to most likely be more manageable and may even want the convertible option. Thanks AZ Trigger.
I have a 357 Blackhawk and it’s a great gun but way to heavy to carry around much. I always wanted to try a vaquero but nobody ever has one for me to handle and feel. Is it significantly smaller and easier to handle and carry compared to a Blackhawk ?
.45colt in Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk. No worries about bear bashing loads. They even offer 5-shot .454 Casull. Vaquero I'd run .357 personally. More metal, more strength, less costly ammo. Those target examples you've shown indicate those pistols need a cylinder throat reaming, a forcing cone 11° ream, and maybe a touchup to the barrel crown. Should tighten up groups nicely.
The safety notch on original Colts SAAs allowed you to carry 6 and was directly advertised by Colt from 1873 to 1940. There is no instance when the gun fired from being on the safety notch.
I like your videos. Very informative. I like how you set up your carmera. You keep clearing your throat like you are in a damp basement. I hope you are ok.
I had an older 45 but will never do reload . Have a new 357 new vaquero I will not file the site it’s a lot better to paint the front but the best thing to use is cheap cheap cheap finger nail polish Just watch your holster doesn’t knock it off I think I paid a dollar a bottle for my thing and I’ll polish light green and light pink work really well
2671996619fedcba I say if you want more power than .45 Colt can give, you either need a rifle or a shotgun. Preferably in .223/5.56 or better for a rifle, 20 Gauge or larger for shotguns. If a handgun is needed or wanted .44 Magnum or better. If you still want to use .45 Colt, .454 Casull will be the way to go. .45 Colt is great as it is in its factory loading. If you want or need more power, there are platforms and rounds better suited and specifcally designed for those applications.
I don’t think Cimmaron makes their own guns. I have a Cimarron :357 that has two serial numbers-which means they made it up from seconds from Uberti and sold it as a factory gun! Then they lied to me and would not fix one sticking cylinder! I did my due diligence and was scrupulously honest but the whole thing turned out to be a soap opera to the point where they began to sound psychotic. I saved the correspondences. I’d love to meet their owner sometime at a gun show.
Re: sights. Handguns begin to recoil (muzzle moving upwards) while the bullet is still in the barrel. Heavier and slower bullets generate more recoil and spend more time in the barrel since they are moving slower. Thus, they tend to hit higher/be more affected by the recoil of the handgun while in the barrel. Lighter bullets do the opposite. They generate less recoil and move out of the barrel faster, and tend to hit lower. The elevation point of impact can be adjusted not only by filing the sights but by adjusting loads, if you are a handloader. Or by trying different bullet weights and brands of loads if you aren't a handloader. Lower velocity will raise the point of impact with any given bullet weight, higher velocity will lower the point of impact. Within practical and safe limits, and for general shooting, load adjustment is all that is needed. Find a load that "shoots to the sights" and stick with it. Windage can be adjusted by filing also, but most people will not want to do that. Adjusting velocities may also affect point of impact windage wise also, but only experimentation will prove that. As for the .45 Colt...I have always believed that it is a great cartridge as it was designed. A 250gr. bullet at 850-900 fps is not to be trifled with! But...great news! If that is not enough, we have the .44 Magnum, another really great cartridge and guns for that can also shoot .44 Specials, which is another great cartridge! Just buy one! We have so many choices in firearms that there really is no need to buy one and try to make it something else...that you could just as easily have bought to begin with. I own both .45 Colt revolvers and .44 magnum revolvers. I never could make up my mind which is better.
Rick Handy Unless you make guns at home, you really COULD have identical, matching serial numbers! But a lot of people dont put any serial numbers on homemade guns. Just depends how each person wants to identify their guns.
Hi. Actually, there are six guns with matching numbers. There is a prefix in front of each serial number however. One being (L) and the other being (R)
I have had my original Vaquero long colt for 25 years and it is still by far the absolute favorite pistol at my disposal. Incredibly comfortable to shoot. I used paint to dial it in then when I found my mark I notched the sight. I wouldn't give mine up for anything. The Buffalo Bore rounds are crazy to shoot out of it but its lots of fun. I'm sure the .357 is a fine pistol but I have always been attracted to the .45 round even in my 45-70 lever action. Like the saying goes, "sometimes short fat and slow gets the job done well". My .2 cents and experience. Ruger did a fantastic job with the Vaquero.
Could you shoot .45 ACP as well?
@puertoricanboy100 I don't but if I got the new convertible cylinder I probably could. I shoot cowboy (plinking) loads, home defense loads, hot loads and snake shot. I want to get the new cylinder just haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Those original Vaqueros were something else. My buddy was working as a gunsmith and had a pair of them in .45 Colt come in to be fitted with birds head grips and accurized with matched triggers. I usually got to test fire his work when he finished a job. They were an absolute joy to shoot.
I absolutely agree!!!!
@@rabidsquirrel314I have the Ruger Vaquero in .45 colt. A gunsmith had a .45 acp Blackhawk cylinder he fitted to it, so that’s one way to go.
Ruger offers a 45acp cylinder as well, great option for those of us who already own 1911s. Lovely SA revolvers, I can't wait to buy one.
Live Free I have one and they are great!
the caveat is that you need to buy them as a fitted pair. They don't just sell 45 ACP cylinders by themselves. If you buy the "convertible" you get both.
@@homebypros503045 acp cheap vs 45 long colt at $1 a round if you don't reload.
Got the 45. Sent it back to ruger to be fine tuned. Changed spring, polishing, etc...got back a pistol that shoots like a peace of art....
Cost ?
The COLT design is the most beautiful single action design ever produced !. It just keeps coming back!.
How do you improve on perfection?
@@steelgila You get a Remington Improved Army, of course!
The Colt 1860 Army, to me, is the most beautiful design of the entire Colt lineup..just my opinion.
@@CowBeatsCrow Improved Army? I'm not familiar with that model. Did you mean the Remington New Model Army in .44 caliber?
I bought the 357 version. I really like being able to shoot 38special at the range while having the option to load 357 for more practical purposes. And frankly I think the 357 is just a much better cartridge than the 45
.357/.38 is better in every way, except it isn't AUTHENTIC!
@@christopherrowley7506 Smokeless powder was originally invented in 1884 so it certainly is authentic! O.F. Mossberg, of Mossberg and Sons, invented the transfer bar safety system while working at the Iver Johnson firearms company. For some reason, Ruger says they invented it but that's not correct.
Why do you think 357 is better than Colt45?
In factory loads, absolutely.
In the old Vaquero, with hefty rounds, the .45 is far and away better.
IDK, at one time Elmer Keith did an evaluation of bullet shape, diameter, weight, and velocity on accuracy, and came out with his own design SWC bullets to take advantage of his findings. He was definitely in favor of the 44 size, which would match up to the 45LC with the Keith SWC bullets.
In the old days if they had a 357 it would give the 45 colt a lot of competition.
Hell, the .38 special +p even could. The army switched from .45lc to a lighter pistol round in the late 1800s but found out when fighting the Moro natives and their big tropical hardwood shields in the Philippines, that they needed something better, and the .38 special was developed.
Not even close. The.45 Colt was loaded with as much as 40 grains of black under a 250 grain bullet for around 975-1000 fps from a 7.5” barrel. And as we all know, muzzle energy in handgun rounds has nothing to do with short range knock down power. One center hit with the “reduced” 30 grain of black military loads and the drugged up Moros were done.
@@876mpr They weren't using .45 LC ones as standard issue going into the Spanish American War, over 5 years earlier the army had switched to .38LC, which was significantly less powerful, thus the .38 special was necessary to develop.
James M Correct, The .38 Long Colt was woefully underpowered, leading the army to rush the SAA back out to the troops in the Philippines. However, the.38 Special only throws an 8 grain heavier bullet about 100 fps faster than the .38 Long Colt, so it really wasn’t much more powerful until the .38-44 was introduced in 1930. Check out the Thompson-LaGarde tests from 1903-1904. Includes the.38 revolver rounds, 9mm, .38 Colt auto, and the.45 caliber rounds of the day. They concluded that the next military round had to be at least .45.
Why choose? I simply bought one of each! ;)
I agree - me too :-)
Must be nice to have money.
You have two hands, after all...
38 specials are cheaper to shoot. no reloading
38 is gay!
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 and another in .44 mag. I also have a Colt SAA and a Ruger Vaquero, both in .45LC. I have found the .357 to be a bit more accurate at ranges of 100 yards, but I would prefer the .45 should I find myself in a gunfight. I can shoot it a bit faster with more confidence in hitting where I want. Other than that, either works for me. They both work well on feral hogs, and they are tough! One point he failed to make considering the 5 oz difference in weight between the .357 and the .45. Once loaded the .45 ammo is a bit heavier than the .357. I doubt there is more than 2-3 oz difference between the two both loaded.
I have shot these guns for many years I wouldn't file the sight it's an elevation sight for further distances I can shoot my 45 colt ruger vaquero at 65 yards and hit spot on and I never have filed the sight just dont use the whole sight line it up and make the sights level with each other.
I've had a Ruger Vaquero .45 Colt for 20 some years and it's my FAVORITE pistol! They're a little too bulky for concealed carry but for any kind of sport shooting or just recreational shooting, nothing beats .45 Colt. Anyone who hasn't tried one should try it. Go to a good shooting range and rent one, try shooting 100 rounds at least. For home defense the .45 Colt has all the stopping power of any of the magnums but FAR less recoil. And you won't have to worry about it going thru the intruder, thru walls and maybe hitting a family member. The .45 Long Colt WAS the "magnum" pistol of it's day. Also, the single action is very good for teaching a beginner how to shoot. The recoil is light enough that your wife or daughters won't be afraid of it and flinch when firing. I taught my wife and daughter how to shoot with my Vaquero and both of them have very good proficiency. I know either of them could effectively protect themselves in the event of a home intruder. They both easily mastered 9mm pistols for concealed carry also, after first learning the basics with the .45.
See Maas Ayoob's interview with Bob Stasch ex Chicago cop and expert on gun fights he survived 14 gunfights and was considered an expert who later trained other cops. He first carried .45 long colt revolvers since that was before the .357 magnum.His experience was that only head shots would be a "one shot stopper" he peppered guys with .45 colt and they still didn't drop. He later changed to training with shooting pie plates to simulate heads. I will post the RUclips link.this was an amazing interview of someone who speaks from real life experience. It will enlighten you about "stopping power." of course loads are better today, but .45 long colt was still a beefy load back in the day.Check it out: ruclips.net/video/Yd3v_fssabI/видео.html
@@rjfirefly5513 Saw it and it's a very informative video of that courageous police officer in Chicago1
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45!!!!! I love the 45 Colt cat'ridge!! I did change out the low spur hammer, for a Black-hawk hammer!
Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to create this informative video. I have a Henry rifle in 45 Colt and wanted to get a revolver in the same caliber. Your video was helpful.
I saw this video when I was looking for my first single action it is very informative! And I can highly reccomend the Ruger new vaquero in 357.
I have a new Vaquero in .45LC, colored case hardened finish. Excellent handgun and damn fun to shoot.
after looking up different saa for ages i went with the uberti 357 7.5" calvery. it was cheaper, has the 4 hammer clicks, beautiful color case hardening, and quilted polished dark walnut grips. everyone says it looks way to pretty to shoot, and plenty of cowboy action shooting competitors use uberti's. only thing is you have to find one that calls out to you, since they have made so many different varieties and flavors, finding one you really really like can be a treasure hunt.
you still liking your Uberti?
@@stevestringham1095 lol i shot it the other day. i hand loaded some 38 short colts and 38 special wad cutter. the people next to me at the range were talking to each other about how they wanted to get an old school cowboy revolver when they saw it. its great with 357 mag .with the rounded handle the gun rolls up deflecting most of the recoil, so you don't hurt your hand. with the longer barrel the gun rises around 45° with hot loads. the gun weight + barrel lenght + handle + caliber all complement and balance with each other really well.
@@stevenmike1878 nice i need to find me one. thanks for the copy.
I want an old version because I have a Henry Big Boy in .45 Colt. I want to be able to use my heavy reloads in either piece.
Hello, Kenneth. I am interested in the Big Boy in 45 LC. I've read nothing but great reviews on it with different calibers. How does the 45 LC handle on the Big Boy? Thank you.
Mikey Torres Mine shoots like a dream and very little felt recoil. I have only shot cowboy action loads in it but I plan to shoot some Buffalo Bore +P loads in it soon. I also put a Skinner peep sight on it. Had to put a higher front sight on it as well that I also got from Skinner.
@@kennethbailey2616 Thank you, brother!
Well...I've owned all of them. .38/.357 .45 ACP LC and every magnum made. Frankly...shoot what you're comfortable with.. A 38 Special is a great defense round if you can hit what you want. .45 ACP and LC are good. But keep in mind that shooting at the range with ear muffs is way different from firing a gun in a room where your ears will be ringing or you'll burst an ear drum if you use big loads or magnums. Even a .22 mag is an ear splitting round in a close room. I have no problem with a .22LR in a revolver or .38 wadcutters low loads. At 6-15 feet indoors 1)you can't miss if you shoot a lot 2) you won't wreck your hearing 3) the bullet doesn't come out.
Hit someone in the shoulder They're hurt bad or knee and they drop. If you're in dire circumstances go for a head shot. .22 in the head usually stops them and .38 is...a no brainer....it's really about calm under pressure...hit what you're shooting at, don't go jerking the trigger and spraying bullets all over the place.
That church shooting in Texas? The attacker had a shotgun the defender a handgun...one shot from the defender killed the attacker. FYI.
I just load 38 wadcutters in my vintage light alloy Colt Agent or my old S & W Model 60.
I also like non magnum big bore revolvers like my Charter Bulldog 44 Special which I believe has the same knock down power as the legendary 45 Colt.
@@scooterbob4432 yep. 38 waddies are a great up close round. People have no idea what it's like to be shot... Try taking 38 waddies in a kevlar vest at 12 feet...hurts so bad you'll feel like you got kicked by a mule. So to get shot by any round is ouch!
But adrenaline kicks in and even mags don't stop someone unless it's a kill. Battlefield stats are full of guys who got hit badly and kept fighting anyway. So .... Choose your favorite.
@@marktombazian6490 Unlike Hollywood movies, it's true that some people got shot several times but still kept on fighting. But I guess shot placements really helps in stopping a threat. A 1911 45 ACP is one of the proven manstopper but I feel more comfortable shooting my revolvers because of my aging fingers and hands. My RIA 1911 A2 Hi-Cap is getting too heavy for me to be carrying around lately. Well, let's just continue enjoying doing our favorite hobby. Stay safe.
You can shoot all of these in the .357 Magnum... 357 Mag, 38 Spl., 38 Long Colt, and 38 Short Colt.
Was wondering that thank you for putting that here the .357 seems like the smarter choice then tbh.
they also have a 9mm cylinder I believe that you can put in there when you take the 357 cylinder out
Thanks. Good to know.
I have the stainless steel 4.75 in barrel in .357 cal. Its a beautiful pistol! Much better looking than black. If you’re thinking of buying one, get it. You won’t be disappointed!
I just bought the 5.5inch version in stainless steel and .357, I am very excited to pick it up and take it to the range!
great video. You sold me on the ruger vaquero.
thank you for accurately describing the transfer bar!
Excellent information for those of us new to single sixes...and great info on what to be realistic about for grouping...I have some 6" performance center guns that are more accurate than some rifles...but I was takin aback when I shot my new vaquero haha ...5 - 6" groups and all low. But these guns also have rudimentary sights...I will play some more before filling.
The Vaquero isn't a Colt clone, it's an entirely different gun based on the Ruger Blackhawk.
Its a blantant ripoff tbh
@@tubeguy4066 Not really, it was designed to give CAS folks something more robust and modern to shoot. All it shares with the Colt is its externals.
I thought the same thing. At this point.. It's not a clone. It's just a very nice single action pistol. Taking nothing away from the Colt.
So what you're saying is Ruger designed a gun from napkin drawings and it just so happened to come out resembling a Colt SAA? c'mon
@@darinhintz5723 Look inside a Ruger and look inside a Colt, then come back to me and tell me they're the same.
I would say for a range gun or for light defensive shooting, the .357 magnum is ideal. My opinion is that the extra weight is good for accuracy, and the extra metal in the barrel and cylinder means you can shoot whatever .357 mag loads you want without issue. Post-apocalypse approved!
Plus 2 different calibers in 1 gun. Ultra Post Apocalypse
Be careful, there are a few major manufacturers that produce .357 magnum revolvers that are not made to shoot a steady diet of that caliber. I might be wrong but I think the S&W Model 19 or Model 66 is one of those.
Light defensive shooting? Have you seen the numbers 357 puts up? It still holds the record for highest one shot stop ratio. Light use... delusional
@@evocati6523 Wanna talk delusional? Talking out your ass with numbers found on a website...Come back when you have real-world experience kid. Stick to Call of Duty.
@@toddy2519 No one's talking about S&W my guy...You're comparing apples to oranges.
Very thorough and clear; thank you. When I weigh my firearms with a digital scale, I choose to load them (carefully, of course). My guess is that your .357 would possibly weigh less, loaded, than your .45 LC, loaded, because each round is 100 grams heavier (250 to 158 in "standard" loads). Your actual "carry weight," when the firearm is loaded on the hip, would probably be very close to equivalent. Thanks again.
It's possible that the .357 has a heavier barrel but I don't know. Either way, I don't think it matters, which I say based on carrying heavier handguns in a holster. The difference is probably not going to be noticeable.
@@kennethquesenberry2610 Yes I know empty the 45s are lighter. The outside of the guns are the same so bigger bore in cylinder and barrel lightens them up.
You will notice this if you pick them up side by side.
I’ll take the 357 any day
I'll take the .45 any day.
I have one! It's tits!
Boobies
No brainer, 357 anyday, the 45 colt is a flying saucer, stand behind the shooter in low light you can see the bullet in flight its so slow, its way past its prime.
@@garylaubscher4487 Are we playin' cowboys or not? If I wanted a modern gun, I wouldn't be buying an SAA.
Note, if you wanna shoot cfda, you'll need the .45...secondly you weigh the ammo and add to the overall weight, because that's what you are really pulling out of the holster.
Good comparison of the calibers, much needed
Great video definitely going with the .357
Fantastic video! Everything I needed to know in one place. Perfect thanks!
Thank you an informative and well presented review of these two beautiful pistols.
I painted my front sight with white out. I also put a set of Cary Chapman grips on it. Spalted Maple. Red birds eye maple on the Super Blackhawk
If it shoots low, aim high, but don't file down the front sight! Anyways, it will vary depending on the ammo. Better than painting the front sight would be a piece of masking tape. Don't scar-up the revolver, you'll lessen the value.
Overall I agree. There are also so many variables in how your shots will fall that the front sight is not the only one to factor in. What is most important (imo) is to simply know your gun. With practice you will know how your gun shoots given range, load, etc. And in all honesty, it does not take long to figure that all out.
That may be true, but if you buy your guns to shoot, you might want to just file it down and forget about "value". I mean if you want increasing value, then buy a nice watch or stocks and bonds. If you want to go and shoot and have gun, you might not care about that... especailly with mass produced guns like the RUgers.
Filing down the front sights was common practice in the old west - that is why the manufacturers almost always created tall front sights for the shooter to make their own adjustments...albeit crude with a file. It really is up to the shooter...
I wouldn't personally file mine down but they Billy the Kid filed his front sight down to get a drop on Sheriff Brady as he said in the movie if it's true is anybody's guess !!!
If your shooting low it is probably the shooter not the gun they are pulling low when anticipating the shot. The easiest way to check only load 4 rounds spin the cylinder so you don't know where he empties are aim at center of the target and fire if you yanking down on the dry chambers it is you .
As a gunsmith and avid single action fan. This is the revolver I would recommend. And did to a brother in Idaho. Oh and Ruger has about the best guarantee I've ever seen.
That blued one is so beautiful and shiny! Would you ever make a newer video of that one in higher definition? Just a couple min of holding it and showing it from different angles and close up etc. The definition of this one is a bit dated unfortunately as happens with time.
The Vaquero is a copy of the Colt Peacemaker the New Army had a post site on the front and if it was using metallic cartridges require a conversion kit because they were cap and ball pistols. The Peacemaker was designed for metallic cartridges from the git go.
My friend has a small set of files and makes serrations horizontally to make the paint stick
I have the early one on the .44 magnum frame, love it
Excellent information for any lover of SAA revolvers.
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nice review. since I'm in the market for one of these I appreciate it very much.
I will definitely be going with the 357 magnum. I've seen the Bisley on video and once in a store but never handled it. it dosnt have the Colt Army look but is interesting to me.
oh, my question,.
I was under the impression that a lighter bullet with a higher load would raise the point of impact.
apparently not. it's hard with the contradictory info one gets on RUclips. overall I've had much more positive experience and have learned alot online.
I will check out more of your videos and possibly add you to my short list of subscitions.
Thanks again and safe shootin to ya.
Louis Macchia
you mean the Bisley? Or the New Vaquero?
Louis Macchia
thanks. I've been very happy with my 357 Blackhawk convertible.
I've two ruger rifles so I am big on rugers. heck my 9 year old daughter has a ruger bearcat as well. I will definitely go with the Vaquero in 357 / 38.. just have to find one that feels right in my hand. Bisley or new Vaquero?
we will see. thanks again and safe shootin to ya!
great informational video. thanks
Ruger specifies the new vaqueros are safe to fire +p loads out of just not the "ruger only" loads that were made for the original vaquero
Derek Matosich Do you have a link?
+Xundus the original Vaqueros were built off the SuperBlackHawk frames. That is what the "Ruger only" loads are for. The New Vaqueros are closer to the SAA which cannot handle the Ruger only loads and shooting them in a new Vaquero can lead to a kaboom
Check your reloader's manual.
+P to CAS type loads? that's not saying much. But it would be better to specify actual PSI pressures the Vaquero is safe to run.
So what your saying is okay to shoot +p ammo out of the new model vaquero.
I was thinking about getting into cowboy action shooting. I borrowed a friends vaquero in 45 colt. Bought some ammo for it and was surprised how much ammo was. I then bought two guns and decided to get them in 38/357 for a few reasons. 1. It was the most popular round in cowboy shooting, 2. It's a lot cheaper to shoot. 3. At the cowboy shoots they shoot a lot of low charged 38 rounds with wax bullets. To each his own, get what you want it's your money.
SASS cowboy action shooting requires lead bullets. Cowboy fast draw uses primer propelled wax bullets.
I will buy when they come back with Case Hardened options :)
I hear you - case hardened firearms are some of the most beautiful finishes produced in my opinion :-)
I had an original Vaquero that was case colored .I made the mistake of getting Flitz polish on the frame and it took the color off in seconds.Not real Case coloring . not durable.
Tom Yearman: Ouch! That's terrible! Sorry for your loss. And thanks for the info, good to know.
I wonder what the weight comparison is if they are fully loaded? I know that it will vary depending on the ammo chosen.
I have used clear epoxy mixed with your choice of paint color to mark the front sight. It lasts much longer than paint alone.
Very comprehensive thanks mate
I got the 45 Colt with the 45ACP cylinder. Factory 45ACP is cheaper than factory 38 Special. For more power I have 3 44 Magnum Vaqueros.
Richard Snyder , I have one with the 45 auto cylinder. I can shoot the Buffalo Bore through mine to hunt. It is one of my favorites.
I have a new Vaquero. My only beef is the grip is not as long as a SAA. Otherwise a wonderful revolver. I have a Colt SAA replica BB gun. The grip is perfect. About a 1/4 inch longer than the Vaquero. Very comfortable to hold.
I have the same BB gun and I can tell you from owning an actual SAA, the Vaquero grip is about the same length as a real SAA. Those BB guns are off in several dimensions but most noticeably the grip is more like an 1860 Army than an 1873.
Beautiful pistols have to get 2 for balance purposes love the classic design and timeless style
I like the 357 way more. Use 38 for cheap and easy plinking and 357 for home defense or carry.
I like the roll. It positions the gun better for the next shot when using just one hand.
The EAA bounty Hunter in .45 long colt ....is a great gun. Also has transfer bar safety system.
Awesome review TY for sharing
Greg’s video. Thanks for all the info
I have fired one in 45 Colt and I can testify that these are a ton of fun to shoot! When my budget allows I will definitely own one!
Fixed sight revolvers are regulated by Manufacturers to shoot to Point of Aim at 25 YARDS with the standard bullet weight for that cartridge.
I have om Blackhawk
Only thing I somewhat like oo these new is how it reloads especially when I was considering doing the pawl on mine.
Reload and tailor your load for the fixed sight model.
.45 Colt all day, every day. I love my .357's but I only buy that chambering in a DA revolver.
I am lolking to get one when I save up again. Just paid off a small loan so a couple months if I can find one I'll probably go with .357/.38 just due to the availability of the ammo.
I do reload but finding components is tough now too.
I have a Henry Rifle big boy in 357 mag wondering if this would be a good companion handgun? Looking at a number of revolvers but leaning towards single actions
It's a great companion for a 357 rifle. I have a blued Ruger New Vaquero in .357 with the 4.62 inch barrel. It's flat out awesome fun to shoot.
I also have a Henry X Model in .44 magnum and a Super Blackhawk to go with it.
Im going to have to learn how to reload because the 45lc cost about 1.50 each where i live and that makes it hard to enjoy to shoot. I also wish i could swap it with an older one so that i could use grisly 360 grane in it and not blow it up
What are your thoughts about the Vaquero as a trail gun, predator defense, and what caliber?
I carry one of the old style ones loaded with hot .45 rounds
You do great reviews!
a handful of 45Colt is quite reassuring
I like the 45 LC because it makes more noise with 250 grn bullett, so the score keepers know the hit better.
You left out the 44 mag. Love it.
Thanks, You covered a lot very well
I own the 45 in stainless with the 4 3/4" barrel. Also have a .45 in a Uberti C.M.S. Pro w/ the 3" barrel. Love em' both. My question concerns the belt and holster shown in your video. I know it's been 5 years, but could you tell me the brand of the holster you have.
There is a safe way to know what you can shoot in the ,45 Vaquero! Any load safe in the original Colt SAA will be more than safe in the new vaquero. I have a Vaquero in .45 and since I also have a new generation Colt SAA in that caliber I use the same ammo in either gun! I also have a Ruger Blackhawk in .357. That is my primary carry gun around my rural property! However, when horseback I carry a .45 because it seems to have less muzzle blast than the .357. More comfortable for my horse. He handles either one fine, but it just seems that way to me. We have a feral hog problem, the .45 might have a slight edge on knocking a hog down. Hard to say.
if you dont reload, you better buy several brands of ammo and different weights of projectile before you think of filing down your sight. I have a ruger single six convertible and have learned the best thing to do is to take a few sighting shots because lots of and brands of 22lr can vary so.much and the poi between 22lr and 22 mag are so different it would be pointless to file it down. Kimda the same if you plan on shooting 38 and 357 or 45lc and 45acp if you get the vaquero with 2 cylinders for the 45's.
At 5:59 you call the larger round a 48 caliber, is that a special load you made?
Going back and forth from .38 to .45 made him misspeak.
Think maybe I'll hold out for a .38-40. It's really hard to be different these days.
Great informative video. Much appreciated. Best one I’ve seen so far for good information.
I would recoommend comparing accuracy and and point of impact at 25 yards between test loads. Thanks...
It's unfortunate CAS did not stick with its original intent which was to shoot real cowboy loads and the main focus was to have fun. Today it's far too competitive with everyone trying to get an "edge" on the other folks by watering down the loads to the near bare minimum that would get the bullets out of the barrel and still react with the targets. Add in money and valuable prizes to the mix and its become far too competitive. That was not what this sport was intended to be! I got involved because my best friend was active with SASS in CAS and sang its praises to the point I bought two Ruger Vaquero-Bisleys (1997 vintage, old-style) and tried it out a few times. After a short while, I saw where all this was going and stopped, sold one of my Vaquero-Bisleys, keeping the other mainly because of my life-long love affair with the .45 Colt caliber.
Most of the serious competitors use .38 Special loads that are so weak that their shooting times are near lightning fast. It's amazing to watch, but again, not what the game was meant to be. I suspect if CAS was to stick with original calibers with full loads used back in the day, the sport would be a whole different ballgame, so to speak.
Now, as to loads for .45 Colt single actions, it's become more versatile because Starline, a manufacturer of brass casings, now produces what they call the .45 Cowboy. It's a cross between a .45 Auto case and a .45 Colt case. It has the actual body of a .45 Auto with a .45 Colt rim. This allows much softer shooting cartridges w/o the need to use moon clips such as were used originally during WW1 when Colt and S&W converted heavy frame revolvers that were chambered for .45 Colt to now shoot .45 auto. These were made to fill in the gap when not enough 1911, .45 Auto pistols were available for our troops. Granted, the .45 S&W "Schofield" cartridges were available since 1875 or so and were interchangeable in .45 Colt single-action revolvers but were a problem for swing-out cylinder revolvers because of the difference in rim sizes between the two cartridges. A later variation was the .45 Auto Rim cartridge which didn't require moon clips to facilitate ejecting the cases from the newer swing-out cylindered revolvers but again there seems to be a problem with the rim sizing.
So, like the .357 Magnum Vaquero using watered-down .38 Special loadings to help gain an edge in CAS, the .45 Colt now has a viable option to do the same. A 185-grain lead bullet going well under 1,000 fps is still more powerful than a 158-grain bullet with the same velocity and might be able to give those 38'ers a run for their money!
Don't get me wrong, I truly like watching CAS events and think it's fun for those who compete but for myself, I don't care to be involved in the competition.
I still have that 22-year old Ruger Vaquero-Bisley and a newer Ruger Redhawk, .45 Auto/.45 Colt revolver that can be loaded to pressures, approaching .454 Casull levels! Coming up on being 70 shortly I doubt I will ever load it anywhere near those pressures but it's nice to know I can if needed.
There are no cash prizes or valuable merchandise prizes in SASS.
@@abee.s.corpus2455 That is an outright lie! I have seen several times where SA revolvers were given away as prizes!
@@toddy2519 Perhaps I should have said that I have never seen cash prizes or valuable merchandise awarded to winners at a SASS match in the 12 years I have been shooting. This includes 2021 End of Trail. That’s my experience.
Perhaps you will identify the matches that you attended where something different was done. I am happy to be corrected.
@@abee.s.corpus2455 I was going back 25 years or so relating to my comment. At times participants were given "raffle" tickets at no cost prior to shooting. At the end of the day, a ticket was announced as a winner like in any raffle. Prizes included guns! Then there were side events where guns, accessories, ammo, etc were awarded as prizes. Now, CAS/SASS did not give these raffled items to the winners of the shooting competition but they were given as I mentioned! I will have to talk to my friend to remember where these things took place.
Still have my Vaquero in .45 , stainless. It is a bit heavy. Make a big hole for sure!!I was doing jackrabbit's at 100+ feet no problem.
Gary McClellan you hunted jackrabbits with it?
Haha. Had a Blackhawk with mild 45 colt 250 grain hardcast, punching holes through circular saw blades at nearly 60 yards. No problem.
I like the vaquero, but would probably do a slight modification by changing the hammer to the bisley type. .357 mag is nice if you shot a lot. But I love the .45 LC.
How about .44 Special, or .44 WCF? Both excellent craatridges and historically accurate too while the .357 is not.
Thanks for sharing.
Nice SA presentation covering both calibers. It is indeed nice to own at least 1 SA especially in .45 Colt especially a Blackhawk as you can consider putting those more powerful hunting rounds in it. However, if you want it just to carry in the woods/defense the Vaquero is going to most likely be more manageable and may even want the convertible option. Thanks AZ Trigger.
I have a 357 Blackhawk and it’s a great gun but way to heavy to carry around much. I always wanted to try a vaquero but nobody ever has one for me to handle and feel. Is it significantly smaller and easier to handle and carry compared to a Blackhawk ?
.45colt in Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk. No worries about bear bashing loads. They even offer 5-shot .454 Casull.
Vaquero I'd run .357 personally. More metal, more strength, less costly ammo.
Those target examples you've shown indicate those pistols need a cylinder throat reaming, a forcing cone 11° ream, and maybe a touchup to the barrel crown. Should tighten up groups nicely.
357❤
Great video, but why all the jarring audio jump cuts
The safety notch on original Colts SAAs allowed you to carry 6 and was directly advertised by Colt from 1873 to 1940. There is no instance when the gun fired from being on the safety notch.
I called Ruger and was told the New Vaquero could safely fire any round loaded to SAMMI specs.
2024, wished I'd seen this and other video's on this subject years ago when these type of guns were available and affordable!!
I like your videos. Very informative. I like how you set up your carmera. You keep clearing your throat like you are in a damp basement. I hope you are ok.
Great advice.👍
I had an older 45 but will never do reload . Have a new 357 new vaquero I will not file the site it’s a lot better to paint the front but the best thing to use is cheap cheap cheap finger nail polish Just watch your holster doesn’t knock it off I think I paid a dollar a bottle for my thing and I’ll polish light green and light pink work really well
High pressure loads not needed in .45 Colt for anything.
What if you need to get your deer
A standard .45 colt load will kill a deer.
2671996619fedcba I say if you want more power than .45 Colt can give, you either need a rifle or a shotgun. Preferably in .223/5.56 or better for a rifle, 20 Gauge or larger for shotguns. If a handgun is needed or wanted .44 Magnum or better. If you still want to use .45 Colt, .454 Casull will be the way to go.
.45 Colt is great as it is in its factory loading. If you want or need more power, there are platforms and rounds better suited and specifcally designed for those applications.
+chrismc410 simply going to a lever gun in 45lc will increase velocity and range of needed.
Bullshit.
I don’t think Cimmaron makes their own guns.
I have a Cimarron :357 that has two serial numbers-which means they made it up from seconds from Uberti and sold it as a factory gun!
Then they lied to me and would not fix one sticking cylinder!
I did my due diligence and was scrupulously honest but the whole thing turned out to be a soap opera to the point where they began to sound psychotic. I saved the correspondences.
I’d love to meet their owner sometime at a gun show.
What's the price range for the 357 and the 44 vaquero
Is today's weak 45colt ammo still powerful enough to use for home defense
Re: sights. Handguns begin to recoil (muzzle moving upwards) while the bullet is still in the barrel. Heavier and slower bullets generate more recoil and spend more time in the barrel since they are moving slower. Thus, they tend to hit higher/be more affected by the recoil of the handgun while in the barrel. Lighter bullets do the opposite. They generate less recoil and move out of the barrel faster, and tend to hit lower.
The elevation point of impact can be adjusted not only by filing the sights but by adjusting loads, if you are a handloader. Or by trying different bullet weights and brands of loads if you aren't a handloader. Lower velocity will raise the point of impact with any given bullet weight, higher velocity will lower the point of impact. Within practical and safe limits, and for general shooting, load adjustment is all that is needed. Find a load that "shoots to the sights" and stick with it.
Windage can be adjusted by filing also, but most people will not want to do that. Adjusting velocities may also affect point of impact windage wise also, but only experimentation will prove that.
As for the .45 Colt...I have always believed that it is a great cartridge as it was designed. A 250gr. bullet at 850-900 fps is not to be trifled with!
But...great news! If that is not enough, we have the .44 Magnum, another really great cartridge and guns for that can also shoot .44 Specials, which is another great cartridge! Just buy one! We have so many choices in firearms that there really is no need to buy one and try to make it something else...that you could just as easily have bought to begin with.
I own both .45 Colt revolvers and .44 magnum revolvers. I never could make up my mind which is better.
I took a lot of meat of of mine in order to hit where I wanted to, also you can buy a replacement sight blade from ruger or other aftermarket sources.
matching serial numbers? That's not possible. do you mean sequential serial numbers?
Yup - that was my bad. I meant sequential - video is not very forgiving :-)
Rick Handy Unless you make guns at home, you really COULD have identical, matching serial numbers! But a lot of people dont put any serial numbers on homemade guns. Just depends how each person wants to identify their guns.
Hi. Actually, there are six guns with matching numbers. There is a prefix in front of each serial number however. One being (L) and the other being (R)