@@KingTonyBatts christianity spread by the sword* please dont spread misinformation. Dont forget about the biggest massacres of human history (the crusades).
like a little boy losing a debate. having a tantrum 🤣 why do people watch that kind of people like he's someone knowledge when he can't even control his feelings hahaha
Who noticed ever since the Sam shamoun debate against Muslims there have been trying to win the debate in the comment since to right the poor performance of there representative 😂😂😂😂
@@Rigidly and the fact that Jay is an Eastern Orthodox Christian and Sam is a Catholic...both having 2 different Christianic creeds and Jay's creed openly states that Sams creed are heretics!!!
Jay Dyer did an excellent job proving Christianity is a man made religion from the Roman empire. Jay's knowledge of Islam is the Google search engine....lol
Wow another guy pretending to listen in on the debate. Lantern continually avoids his objections by asking “define it”, also never answering his question. Now when Jay addresses him avoiding his question, lantern says why are you jumping.
@@mohamedkabalan-fg6hmLantern didn’t even know what fallacies meant. On top of that the reason why Jay kept addressing about the attributes, is because he kept avoiding and never answered his question. Jay wanted to go on, then lantern said he didn’t have time. But lantern yapped 10 mins after that.😂
Bichmillah, muslims do not understand words. "Running" is not agreeing to further debate when offered by Sneako at the end. Jay wanted to continue because Muslim L kept lying about Jay's position. Muslim L wanted to stop ASAP so he could run away and pretend he won.
Islam is simple? Ok. Allah has a hand and a foot. Therefore they are different. So…tell me how they are different. Do they perform different functions??! Explain. Explain what makes Allahs hand a hand and explain what makes Allahs foot a foot. Don’t say it’s knowledge we can’t know because you’ll PROVE Islam is not simple!! Because you literally can’t understand it!
Just because something is simple doesn’t make it not true. That’s like saying since building rockets isn’t simple, and 90% of the population can’t build a rocket, we should stop building them. No this is called a personal incredulity fallacy, and this exact fallacy is what Muslim Lantern displayed this entire debate.
I would say asking questions in the introduction is what sparked the silly conversation since ML was misrepresenting the trinity and didn't try to understand jay's position
@@rayenamarir5764 I think it’s brilliant to ask a question. It’s better to know your opponent’s position than to assume. Jay just couldn’t handle it. He realized at that moment he made a mistake . Muslim lantern talks to many Christian’s and unfortunately they understand the Trinity differently. Its a question that needs to be asked before debating a Christian
@@Foundonetruth yeah, me too, I think it was brilliant to know your opponents position rather than jumping to assumptions about what they believe. I don't see how he realized he made a mistake though. Could you clarify?
Messaging JAY WON over and over again doesn't make him the winner. Just like screaming "JESUS IS LORD" in someone's face isn't going to convert them into Christianity. One thing I have to point out, if the Son is subordinate to the Father but equal in nature in term of divinity, sounds like a cop out. Where does it say that explicitly in terms of divine essence in the Bible? And there seems to be a hierarchy in divinity anyway because of the "no one knows the hour except the father" verse.
@@Rigidly I’m just having a post debate discussion and I’m very disappointed with Jay because he was intellectually dishonest and said the usual mumbo jumbo.
@@Rigidly why? Just because I have a difference of an opinion? You know that we can agree to disagree. It isn’t my fault if your religion fails at a fundamental level.
@@lintoppthomas How is quoting the verse: “This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” a fallacy?? You know Jay Dyer lost because he couldn't respond to this point and ended up admitting Jesus is subordinate to the father. W ML
I’m 8 minutes in, and it’s clear this Jay guy's cheese has slid right off his cracker-this isn’t even a debate anymore! This is really insane. I’ve never seen someone derail a debate like this.
🤖 Muslim L wanted to derail it ASAP by inventing new rules after the debate already began. "I'm gonna ask you questions but if you give clear answers I'm gonna immediately lie about them and if you correct me for getting your answer wrong I'm going to say you don't want a discussion." its a lame cheap tactic for 🏳️🌈s like your boy.
Jesus: Hear O Israel your lord is one Christians: God is 3 in 1 🥴 Jesus: The Father is the only true God. Christian: Jesus is God 🥴 🤣 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 = 1 x 3 = 3
I felt so at first, but tbh after starting to reset the timer and muting this guy at the end that was perfect moderation. This guy is not fit for debating at all he should've been muted half the time.
Holy trinity 😂😂😂- God prayed to himself God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself. Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself. God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly. God strengthened himself and talked to himself. Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his enemies as a footstool.
Jay lost the plot here. How are you claiming to be a philosopher or studied philosophy with no etiquette, no decorum and no respect for debating. Legit he just whines and interrupts at every moment. Poor representative of christianity
@@northseekeradventures9032 Also the thing jay criticised ML for he did exactly the same thing. He compared a king and prince to god and jesus. ML actually answered his critiques and points. Jay on the other hand capitulated by saying jesus is subordinate to the father meaning he is below him
@@thedoublesgame9709 He did not answer all of his critiques, and the few times he did, Jay pointed out that those answers contradict - this is what the young muslim sneako audience isn't intellectually capable of picking up on. ML just played games - pretending he didn't know what certain terms meant, then later uses those terms in his arguments, asks Jay to "show how blackness exists" when confronted about his analogy, when asked about his personal position he responds by giving Jay a knowledge test about what another group of muslims believe, etc... can go on and on... I think Jay was more animated than normal during this debate because ML is not a good formal debater, but carries himself with the cockiness of a teenager. Jay is an academic with 20yrs of formal debate. Formal debate is very different from rumble streamer debates... you cannot use fallacies or avoidant counter-questioning in formal debates. This has nothing to do with which side is objectively correct - from a pure debate standpoint, even if Islam is true and Christianity is false, ML lost this debate.
Muslims will always win the debate no matter who they bring. The reason being is they have confused their belief. Instead of believing in one God, they have divided their God and yet say he is one. Some say Jesus is God, some say the son. Why would God belittle himself and sacrifice himself for his creation?
Jay is very interesting because his rhetoric is latent with cope and apologetic nonsense but says it with so much confidence it actually sounds like it makes sense.
Muslim Lantern just made the funniest statement. Islam is simple but we can’t know what his attributes are!!! If you can’t know what Allahs attributes are or understand them then Islam literally cannot be simple because you can’t know or understand god!
Really? So tell me what the difference is between Allahs hands and foot. Explain their functions and what makes them different. What makes Allahs foot a foot and what makes Allahs hands a hand. Tell me how you know what Allahs attributes are. Let’s go.
By the way. Allah does compare himself to us!!! He says he has a face, hands, eyes, a foot, a leg, a shin and he laughs and has feelings of happiness and anger. Allah sits down and stands up and runs and turns!! These are all things we have that Allah does describe himself as having! So Allah describes himself in the same way we do!
@@debunking_izlam all the things yiu mention are in the Bible too retardant. And even worse where yiu God has nostrils and more . Also the things Allah mentions we affirm . But we don’t do what you just did. Which is called takeef. We affirm the meaning and not the howness of how it’s done or how its looks like . Why do we do that ? Because Allah said in the Quran multiple places ther is nothing like him
So according to christians the attributes of Allah are each a different being or what? what nonsense, if i say Allah is the most merciful ( Al Rahman) thats like saying The merciful is another god according to Jay? So he doesnt understand what ana ttribute is, well then what about the bible that calls God also ,Ha Rahman' in hebrew meaining the merciful? then we have no only trinity but fournity and if we add all attributes of God in the bible together we have over 60 parts. but any logical thinking person knows that attributes are no seperate beings
That's polytheism for you just like the deities of the pagans, most powerful is Zeus, fastest is Hermes, smartest is Athena, this is just greek mythology
@@El9endilolol. Those are different beans or beings 😂 with those supposed claimed attributes not a single being with those attributes. I would like you to demonstrate when was the last time you saw love walking on the street?
No you're not understanding my friend. Just like Allah's attributes come from his essence but are distinct from him, so Jesus (the word or God) comes from the fathers essence and is distinct from him. Allah attributes are distinct but not separate. The word of God (Jesus) is distinct from the father but not separate from him. It's very simple, and both religions believe the same concept until somehow it's confusing for a Muslim to understand the Trinity.
Lol Jay got smoked now that others have posted full debate like sneeako and mohammed Ali from muslim lantern just did full 3 hour breakdown. Of both his debates now only now has Jay dyer gone and posted the full clip at first he put up a edited 35 minutes clip to claim victory but knew he was gonna fet exposed which he did and now has posted full clip and he looks horrible in it he got intellectually dsstroyed and he is fuming he is attacking his own fans who say he didn't answer anything..after the horrible 10 minutes of time he had in the sam shamoun tag team in total against daniel and ijaz who smoked both of sam and Jay now this wjere he is acting like a child it's over for Jay dyer him and david woods careers are finished
This truely is a lesson in how to debate someone. When someone starts insulting and interupting all the time, you know he is very shaky. Then it's clear as daylight who's winning and losing the argument!
Why is Jay so disrespectful? He constantly shakes his head and dances Samba on his tight chair, truly admirable. Let me explain what attributes are. Attributes are characteristics. You can’t touch attributes; they represent behavior. The Trinity is something entirely different. Here, we are fundamentally dealing with three entities, each of which has its own attributes. This kindergarten argumentation from Jay is really the lowest level. One thing is very clear. Jay, Kitchen-Shamon, and ALL Christian debaters are doing one thing lately: they have long internalized that the Trinity, its authenticity, and its history have been completely deconstructed and have no foundation anymore. They simply want to find the same thing in Islam out of desperation, instead of proving their own man-made religion. DESPERATION DESPERATION DESPERATION
- The problem is that he said that (Muslim Lantern) - He says he doesn't want to answer, even though it is an answer, and tells him that God did not say about Himself what the man in the gray shirt claimed at 2:15. - The answer of the man in the gray shirt was that he said at the minute: 2:57 He doesn't want to answer - These are the ways of ignorant people who are afraid to respond and do not have any answers. When someone shocks them and tells them that he does not acknowledge his words at all, he begins to deceive people and make them believe that he does not want to answer. - I can't see winning but I can only see the fraud, the deceiver and the fear - The second point is that the same man in the gray T-shirt said that you say in terms of dependency and so on, but when he told him that I do not use them, he said that Jake uses them. Is Jake Islam, the Qur’an, or the Sunnah? We can ask the same question to Jake, where did you get these terms from in the first place? - Someone's statement is not proof of Islam - Number Three: When (Muslim Lantern) said to him: 3:50, “Give me five things about the Mu’tazilites,” he started to go senile because he spoke about what he did not know and said classic debates. I challenge him if he understood them. Then he said, “I do not have to introduce your schools.” - Why was nothing extracted from these classic debates except the position of the Mu’tazilites? This is not a search to achieve anything but truthfulness, but only to use it to confuse people. - Then the man in a gray shirt does not understand the examples that (Muslim Lantern) gives, and he gives examples in order to understand through the example and not liken the example to the attributes of God. - Except that there is nothing in reality that is devoid of attributes for you to attribute to God, and this is what he explained to him in the minute: 9:40, and this is what all the scholars of the Sunnis and the community say, and we have nothing to do with the doctrine of theologians without evidence. - The question asked by (Fanous Al-Muslim) at minute: 11:00 was a clear question, and do not come and tell me that it is in his human nature and not divine, because Christ, according to the text, only proved knowledge of the divine essence, which is the Father, but he denied it from himself in every way and from the Holy Spirit, and why is the Holy Spirit neglected? In the text from the beginning, he is equal to them in divinity - The man in the gray T-shirt tried to respond, but even his response does not support Masih’s lack of knowledge of the hour, because there is nothing in the Bible to support his response. - Unfortunately, it is proven in minute: 13:50 that the son is not equal to the father in everything, and this is polytheism and the opposite of monotheism. - And at minute 14:50: He says that the Son declared in John chapters 5 and 6 that he is equal to the Father. Unfortunately, the Gospel of John says in chapter 5, verse 19: Then Jesus answered and said to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own except what He sees the father working. For whatever he does, the Son does likewise _ This is proof that Christ cannot do anything without the Father - Rather, I spoke in context: verse 30 proves that Christ is a messenger and not God, and that he does everything that the Father commands him to do as if he were his servant and not God, and this is what Muslims say: I cannot do anything on my own. As I hear, I will be judged, and my judgment is just, for I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me. - This is Islam, surrender to the will of God - In the same chapter, he says that he is able to bring the dead to life because it is the Father who gave this thing, and this is what Muslims believe, that God gave Christ the ability to raise the dead, God willing: Gospel of John, chapter 5, verse 20: For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything that he does, and will show him Greater works than these, that you may marvel. - 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. - And this is only in the first 18 minutes or so, and you say that Muslims are afraid, but rather that you are cowards and cannot defend your belief. -
He said he not answering because allah doesn’t mention it and by him making up something about Allah that he has no knowledge of is harraam and the pagan tried to force him to say something that Allah didn’t say of himself
@@anthonybuie9477 This is a fact, and Christians do not understand that we do not speak about God as they speak and discuss their God - Even when he gave an example of the idea: It is possible to have a self devoid of attributes - he think that mohammed ali gives an example of the attributes of God, and he does not know that Muhammad explains to him that there is no self in existence that is devoid of attributes at all - And the Christians in the comments, the Muslim scenes are contradictory, even this man in a gray T-shirt - Strange logic
You say he's strawmanning, but when he asks Jay to represent himself he denies? Are you guys for real? Even the "Strawman" you're talking about are literally the exact things Jay says.
@Vordredosama nah Jay made a clear monarchical-trinitarian definition which ML completely ignored. He instead made up a strawman and asks Jay to say "yes" or "no" to his strawman definition of the trinity. Why even debate if he's just going to make up his own terms and pretend they are the terms of his opponent, when they are not.
@@thomassandoval8025 He picked parts of Jay's definition and asked him if he agrees with them, Jay agreed first and then started talking about "strawmans" when he realised it would paint him badly when it's literally from his own definition. You can twist or turn it however you want, but interrupting the person you're arguing against repeatedly to do so is just pathetic. I know you'll not agree to this, and will come up with whatever excuses as to why "Jay has to interrupt!", yet ML never interrupted him even when he lies about what ML says, not once.
@@VordredosamaJay answered his question, then ML acted like he said something else??? Then Jay asked ML for his criteria for what in the Bible is true, which would entail the Quran and ML started glitching
@@northseekeradventures9032 "Jay answered his question" You mean when he continued to interrupt him for 5 minutes straight? Even though the part ML was focusing on was in Jay's definition(Which again, Jay literally agreed with early on.) Now about the criteria, ML already answered him twice "Everything that is in line with what the Quran/Hadith says is true" yet you're saying he glitched, where? did we watch the same debate? Notice how you're jumping from topic to topic, and refusing to address the fact Jay kept interrupting over and over again because it simply wasn't going the he liked it to go. (Again, ML never interrupted him once.)
Cool, calm, collected. Muslim Lantern gets straight to the point, clear no mumbling, the other guy is just all over the place, there's no argument presented by him. I enjoyed listening to Muslim Lantern
This is what happens when you get a learned islamic guy who knows the bible vs a youtube chrsitian guy with limited knowledge of islam Back in the days the Christian scholars used to out up good debates but now anyone can become a youtuber and claim to be knowledgeable until they get found out
damn Jay was cooked and grilled sideways by ML. The ending is Hilarious Jay got muted you can see how he is soooo frustrated and cant keep his mouth shut HAHAHA ML got under Jay;s skin so badly. Ouch
Muslim Lantern never answer the Questions or prove anything within the Quran. He said Jesus is a Muslim, even Jesus call himself the begotten Son of God. "Allahs word can not be corrupted." ML the corrupted the Words of Allah🤔.
The understanding is that Christian’s don’t have the work of Jesus so u don’t know what he taught. The Bible is not the words of Allah never was he didn’t send a book down called the Bible. The Bible itself was created no more than 500 years ago copied from manuscripts that disagrees with the Bible. So how is it allahs words
If i write 3 sentences in a paper. Those are my words in that paper in TEXT. Now if you changed something in that paper. That is not my word in TEXT anymore. Words are not just only in text, it can be uttered. Words of Allah azzawajal will not be altered. It will always be the truth and it will happen. Don' be stupid.
@@KingTonyBattsMark 1:14-15 (KJV) "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God ........" Whose gospel was he preaching?? Was certainly not the one written by mark Matthew Luke and John 🤔
- The problem is that he said that (Muslim Lantern) - He says he doesn't want to answer, even though it is an answer, and tells him that God did not say about Himself what the man in the gray shirt claimed at 2:15. - The answer of the man in the gray shirt was that he said at the minute: 2:57 He doesn't want to answer - These are the ways of ignorant people who are afraid to respond and do not have any answers. When someone shocks them and tells them that he does not acknowledge his words at all, he begins to deceive people and make them believe that he does not want to answer. - I can't see winning but I can only see the fraud, the deceiver and the fear - The second point is that the same man in the gray T-shirt said that you say in terms of dependency and so on, but when he told him that I do not use them, he said that Jake uses them. Is Jake Islam, the Qur’an, or the Sunnah? We can ask the same question to Jake, where did you get these terms from in the first place? - Someone's statement is not proof of Islam - Number Three: When (Muslim Lantern) said to him: 3:50, “Give me five things about the Mu’tazilites,” he started to go senile because he spoke about what he did not know and said classic debates. I challenge him if he understood them. Then he said, “I do not have to introduce your schools.” - Why was nothing extracted from these classic debates except the position of the Mu’tazilites? This is not a search to achieve anything but truthfulness, but only to use it to confuse people. - Then the man in a gray shirt does not understand the examples that (Muslim Lantern) gives, and he gives examples in order to understand through the example and not liken the example to the attributes of God. - Except that there is nothing in reality that is devoid of attributes for you to attribute to God, and this is what he explained to him in the minute: 9:40, and this is what all the scholars of the Sunnis and the community say, and we have nothing to do with the doctrine of theologians without evidence. - The question asked by (Fanous Al-Muslim) at minute: 11:00 was a clear question, and do not come and tell me that it is in his human nature and not divine, because Christ, according to the text, only proved knowledge of the divine essence, which is the Father, but he denied it from himself in every way and from the Holy Spirit, and why is the Holy Spirit neglected? In the text from the beginning, he is equal to them in divinity - The man in the gray T-shirt tried to respond, but even his response does not support Masih’s lack of knowledge of the hour, because there is nothing in the Bible to support his response. - Unfortunately, it is proven in minute: 13:50 that the son is not equal to the father in everything, and this is polytheism and the opposite of monotheism. - And at minute 14:50: He says that the Son declared in John chapters 5 and 6 that he is equal to the Father. Unfortunately, the Gospel of John says in chapter 5, verse 19: Then Jesus answered and said to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own except what He sees the father working. For whatever he does, the Son does likewise _ This is proof that Christ cannot do anything without the Father - Rather, I spoke in context: verse 30 proves that Christ is a messenger and not God, and that he does everything that the Father commands him to do as if he were his servant and not God, and this is what Muslims say: I cannot do anything on my own. As I hear, I will be judged, and my judgment is just, for I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me. - This is Islam, surrender to the will of God - In the same chapter, he says that he is able to bring the dead to life because it is the Father who gave this thing, and this is what Muslims believe, that God gave Christ the ability to raise the dead, God willing: Gospel of John, chapter 5, verse 20: For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything that he does, and will show him Greater works than these, that you may marvel. - 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. - And this is only in the first 18 minutes or so, and you say that Muslims are afraid, but rather that you are cowards and cannot defend your belief. -
The Quran literally says there are REMNANTS of truth left in the old scriptures which confirm that Prophet Muhammad SAW is clearly the bringer of the final scripture of God NOT that these scriptures are fully true because it also clearly says in the quran "WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE WITH THEIR OWN HANDS AND CLAIM IT IS FROM GOD" this isn't rocket science, and then it tells you HOW to know which parts are true from what is left of the scriptures - simply use the Quran as the furqan i.e criterion as a supreme authority over it, if they coincide then that part is true if not then that part is corrupted. WHY use the quran? because it can be proven to be the final preserved testament from God. An example of this in practice: isaiah 42 specifically mentioning God will send a servant in whom he delights to the settlements of kedar and people of selah i.e ARAB bedoins as well as other missions and characteristics that clearly pertain to prophet Muhammad SAW also prophesy in psalms 91.10 mentioning a servant, who God will "command the angels concerning" so that he will not be harmed "he will be yeshua" i.e saved, salvation rescued which christian commentators have agreed refers to jesus; islam says Allah , through the angels, took jesus up before he could be killed( quran 4.157-158) THIS would be the CORRECT lens to view it from if we are to use the Quran as the "criterion" this is what is meant by the quranic verse saying that you will still find remnants of the truth from the previous scriptures, if we don't use this objective lens / metric then YES it becomes a free for all of interpretation in which each person can argue that their interpretation is correct. If you can't recognise the Quran as the word of God by its fruits after having read the bible I PROMISE you, you are insincere whether you know it or not. Thousands of Christians have already done it and they are all evidence against you [on the day of reckoning], those who try to claim that there is no possible resemblance. If you are not simply clouded by the trinity lens you can literally see the exact same narrative of the quran running throughout the Bible, simple. And this life is nothing more than a test to seperate those who are sincere from those who are insincere so keep playing these games, you're hurting yourselves. In the end, success is for the true and sincere, whatever that looks like.
So frustrating… I get why Jay is so annoyed! Every time Lantern misrepresented what Jay said to construct a false narrative / strawman, I myself wanted to reach through the screen and choke him out!! Perfect summary for the Lantern “a fallacy machine gun” - just shitting out bad arguments left right and centre - couldn’t even comprehend Jays arguments. What a shitshow for Islam!
The trinity helps Christian’s understand god just as Allahs attributes help Moslems understand god. So it’s not good enough that the very things Moslems rely on to understand God leaves them saying “ it’s beyond our knowledge”. The attributes are a SERIOUS theological problem for Islam because it causes inherent contradictions. Allah can’t enter creation but his attribute of speech literally enters creation. Allahs hand is not like the human hand yet it is described in the same way a human hand is and performs the exact same function of creating things. Allah doesn’t run but he has legs and feet that he uses to run. Allah has the attribute of mercy which is not dependent upon creation but…Allah can’t give mercy without the need for something to exist. Allah is one indivisible “entity” yet he is composed of multiple attributes which are distinct yet not seperate. They are not the whole of Allah but they are not part of Allah. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. I can go on and on with examples that contradict and debunk Islam. And these are just the simple ones.
Muslims, even if Christianity is false, that doesnt make islam true. You have to actually prove that islam is true on its own merit. Until now i dont know what ML position even is! That Christianity is false? Great!!! HOW DOES THAT MAKE ISLAM TRUE?!?!?!!!
Can the Moslems answer me this. You claim Allah is an independent being and his attributes are not dependent upon creation. So….give me an example of Allah giving mercy without the need for something else to exist. This’ll be funny.
So if he doesn’t need humans to give mercy tell me what Allah does need to give mercy. You claim Allah has the attribute of mercy and his attributes are not dependent upon creation so give me an example of Allah giving mercy that doesn’t require something else to exist. I’ve asked twice now.
im glad he showed his true christian colors by mocking Muhammed Ali and calling him names. what an absolute embarrassment..... check that, he is a perfect rep of wyte people AKA christians.
Another day another pagan Christian getting obliberated by ML
Islam spread by the sword, dies by the internet 🤣🤣
@@KingTonyBatts christianity spread by the sword* please dont spread misinformation. Dont forget about the biggest massacres of human history (the crusades).
@@nasjurothat’s 1000 years after the start of christianity.
@@agdjmkfye doesn't really have anything to do with his initial statement
@@KingTonyBattsYou coping so hard. Poor baby.
Bro jay is so annoying 😭
Jay is behaving like a drunk maniac
He really is acting like one. Out of his senses
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I thought he was just a drunk maniac not acting like one 😂
like a little boy losing a debate. having a tantrum 🤣
why do people watch that kind of people like he's someone knowledge when he can't even control his feelings hahaha
Who noticed ever since the Sam shamoun debate against Muslims there have been trying to win the debate in the comment since to right the poor performance of there representative 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha exactly
Lol thats what christian did in that debate, even sam cant make an logic argument they still applaude him
Hahaha...I noticed that too....these Christian sheep's are coming out the woodwork...making stupid comments
Jay has no evidence, just claims and accusations.
@@Rigidly and the fact that Jay is an Eastern Orthodox Christian and Sam is a Catholic...both having 2 different Christianic creeds and Jay's creed openly states that Sams creed are heretics!!!
Jay Dyer did an excellent job proving Christianity is a man made religion from the Roman empire. Jay's knowledge of Islam is the Google search engine....lol
The muslim guy didn't know his own religion
@hisokamorrow6111 he did it's just the guy kept speaking over him and interrupting
Anyone notice how this guy said he had to leave and couldn’t go another round but sat around n yapped for another 10 mins 🙃🙃🙃
Wow another guy pretending to listen in on the debate. Lantern continually avoids his objections by asking “define it”, also never answering his question. Now when Jay addresses him avoiding his question, lantern says why are you jumping.
@@hisokamorrow6111First check his scholarly background in Islam before you say something stupid mate.
Christians: since we are pagan
Therefore we must prove you are pagans too
muLsims: since i am stupid, i must project that you are stupid
CANT BELEIVE CHRISTIANS BEING ROASTED IN THEIR OWN COMMENT SECTION 😂😂 ALHADOLILLAH FOR ISLAM❤❤
Keep deceiving yourself 😂😂😂😂
@@Boaf9 you believe he lost against these christians....... you are the only deceitful one, bud. bud bud, BUDDY!
@@mohamedkabalan-fg6hm lantern lost for sure, he didn’t even know what fallacies meant? 😂🤣
@@mohamedkabalan-fg6hmLantern didn’t even know what fallacies meant. On top of that the reason why Jay kept addressing about the attributes, is because he kept avoiding and never answered his question. Jay wanted to go on, then lantern said he didn’t have time. But lantern yapped 10 mins after that.😂
Muslims literally lost the poll on sneakos platform LOL
Bro This Guy Lantern is too smart lol that jay is so scared and pissed cause he cant deal with him
Calling this 🏳️🌈 smart says a lot about your own 🧠
Jay is just running 😂
Running for his life
Ml literally ducked and avoided the attribute question and then lied about his own scripture. Jay answered every question he was given
Whennnnn where?????
Bichmillah, muslims do not understand words.
"Running" is not agreeing to further debate when offered by Sneako at the end. Jay wanted to continue because Muslim L kept lying about Jay's position.
Muslim L wanted to stop ASAP so he could run away and pretend he won.
@@shaxzey123 Muslim lampshade literally said he wanted to end the debate when offered extra time. Sounds like he was afraid
If i ask any Cristian did you understand what jay said, they would be silent. But spamming the chat.
Islam is so simple
Christianity is confusing
Islam is simple? Ok. Allah has a hand and a foot. Therefore they are different. So…tell me how they are different. Do they perform different functions??! Explain. Explain what makes Allahs hand a hand and explain what makes Allahs foot a foot. Don’t say it’s knowledge we can’t know because you’ll PROVE Islam is not simple!! Because you literally can’t understand it!
Just because something is simple doesn’t make it not true. That’s like saying since building rockets isn’t simple, and 90% of the population can’t build a rocket, we should stop building them. No this is called a personal incredulity fallacy, and this exact fallacy is what Muslim Lantern displayed this entire debate.
Occham’s razor is so stupid
Jay embarrassing himself as always 😂
Yea Jay really was annoying
I would say asking questions in the introduction is what sparked the silly conversation since ML was misrepresenting the trinity and didn't try to understand jay's position
@@rayenamarir5764 I think it’s brilliant to ask a question. It’s better to know your opponent’s position than to assume. Jay just couldn’t handle it. He realized at that moment he made a mistake .
Muslim lantern talks to many Christian’s and unfortunately they understand the Trinity differently. Its a question that needs to be asked before debating a Christian
@@Foundonetruth yeah, me too, I think it was brilliant to know your opponents position rather than jumping to assumptions about what they believe. I don't see how he realized he made a mistake though. Could you clarify?
@@rayenamarir5764 once you spell out what the Trinity is, it’s easier to dissect .
Messaging JAY WON over and over again doesn't make him the winner. Just like screaming "JESUS IS LORD" in someone's face isn't going to convert them into Christianity.
One thing I have to point out, if the Son is subordinate to the Father but equal in nature in term of divinity, sounds like a cop out. Where does it say that explicitly in terms of divine essence in the Bible? And there seems to be a hierarchy in divinity anyway because of the "no one knows the hour except the father" verse.
Stop trying to win a debate in the comment section 😂😂
@@Rigidly I’m just having a post debate discussion and I’m very disappointed with Jay because he was intellectually dishonest and said the usual mumbo jumbo.
@@ai6480 then go debate him
@@Rigidly why? Just because I have a difference of an opinion? You know that we can agree to disagree. It isn’t my fault if your religion fails at a fundamental level.
@@ai6480 no lots of people have been blinded by ur religion that they can see the truth including u, when u guy watch a debate u are not openly minded
jay just yapping 😭
It's all Muslims ever do, it's only that Sam returns their favour
EVIDENCE AND CHRISTIANITY ARE THE WORST ENEMIES 😂
Look how triggered Jay and how much he interrupts, he's literally scared of ML it's so clear
Or is it because Lantern is actually ret**ded and can't understand logic
Muslim bulb not answering anything just fallacy upon fallacy
@@lintoppthomas How is quoting the verse: “This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” a fallacy?? You know Jay Dyer lost because he couldn't respond to this point and ended up admitting Jesus is subordinate to the father. W ML
He is is scared
@@lintoppthomaswhat fallacy did he make ?
What the hell happened to jay dyer. Hes gone into adhd pre pubescent brat mode.
The guy with Gray shirt literally says Christianity ideology is not clear 😮 . And he keeps changing his position. Very sad
I’m 8 minutes in, and it’s clear this Jay guy's cheese has slid right off his cracker-this isn’t even a debate anymore! This is really insane. I’ve never seen someone derail a debate like this.
🤖 Muslim L wanted to derail it ASAP by inventing new rules after the debate already began.
"I'm gonna ask you questions but if you give clear answers I'm gonna immediately lie about them and if you correct me for getting your answer wrong I'm going to say you don't want a discussion."
its a lame cheap tactic for 🏳️🌈s like your boy.
Jay didn't do himself any favors in this
Damn, this Jay person need to calm down. He keep questioning and then talking over Muslim Lantern whenever he responds.
Muslim lantern doesn’t answer questions, inshallah he is ignorant
I think Jay was drunk😂
Jesus: Hear O Israel your lord is one
Christians: God is 3 in 1 🥴
Jesus: The Father is the only true God.
Christian: Jesus is God 🥴 🤣
1 + 1 + 1 = 3 = 1 x 3 = 3
🤣🤣the best part is Muhammed's closing statement destroying jay as he rants and waves his arms around like a crazy lefty at a BLM riot. beautiful.
Can we all agree that Sneako did a terrible job of moderating this debate? 😂
I felt so at first, but tbh after starting to reset the timer and muting this guy at the end that was perfect moderation. This guy is not fit for debating at all he should've been muted half the time.
I don't think so. I think he did good. Needs some improvements, but his performance was not weak.
Than you Jay ..😂 for proving Islam.
Holy trinity 😂😂😂-
God prayed to himself
God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind.
Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.
Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself.
God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself.
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself.
While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself.
Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his enemies as a footstool.
😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Jay lost the plot here. How are you claiming to be a philosopher or studied philosophy with no etiquette, no decorum and no respect for debating. Legit he just whines and interrupts at every moment. Poor representative of christianity
If your opponent is a squirming worm you have to pin him down. Jay has to raise his voice or ML will act like he didn’t hear it
@@northseekeradventures9032 Pin him down by not letting him speak fully and clearly?😂😂
@@northseekeradventures9032 Also the thing jay criticised ML for he did exactly the same thing. He compared a king and prince to god and jesus.
ML actually answered his critiques and points. Jay on the other hand capitulated by saying jesus is subordinate to the father meaning he is below him
@@thedoublesgame9709 Pin him down by not letting him evade direct questions lolll get rekt
@@thedoublesgame9709 He did not answer all of his critiques, and the few times he did, Jay pointed out that those answers contradict - this is what the young muslim sneako audience isn't intellectually capable of picking up on. ML just played games - pretending he didn't know what certain terms meant, then later uses those terms in his arguments, asks Jay to "show how blackness exists" when confronted about his analogy, when asked about his personal position he responds by giving Jay a knowledge test about what another group of muslims believe, etc... can go on and on... I think Jay was more animated than normal during this debate because ML is not a good formal debater, but carries himself with the cockiness of a teenager. Jay is an academic with 20yrs of formal debate. Formal debate is very different from rumble streamer debates... you cannot use fallacies or avoidant counter-questioning in formal debates. This has nothing to do with which side is objectively correct - from a pure debate standpoint, even if Islam is true and Christianity is false, ML lost this debate.
Muslims will always win the debate no matter who they bring. The reason being is they have confused their belief. Instead of believing in one God, they have divided their God and yet say he is one. Some say Jesus is God, some say the son. Why would God belittle himself and sacrifice himself for his creation?
Jay is very interesting because his rhetoric is latent with cope and apologetic nonsense but says it with so much confidence it actually sounds like it makes sense.
Muslim Lantern just made the funniest statement. Islam is simple but we can’t know what his attributes are!!! If you can’t know what Allahs attributes are or understand them then Islam literally cannot be simple because you can’t know or understand god!
What ??? We know his attributes .
But it cannot gets compared to us
Really? So tell me what the difference is between Allahs hands and foot. Explain their functions and what makes them different. What makes Allahs foot a foot and what makes Allahs hands a hand. Tell me how you know what Allahs attributes are. Let’s go.
By the way. Allah does compare himself to us!!! He says he has a face, hands, eyes, a foot, a leg, a shin and he laughs and has feelings of happiness and anger. Allah sits down and stands up and runs and turns!! These are all things we have that Allah does describe himself as having! So Allah describes himself in the same way we do!
@@debunking_izlam all the things yiu mention are in the Bible too retardant. And even worse where yiu God has nostrils and more .
Also the things Allah mentions we affirm . But we don’t do what you just did.
Which is called takeef.
We affirm the meaning and not the howness of how it’s done or how its looks like .
Why do we do that ?
Because Allah said in the Quran multiple places ther is nothing like him
@@debunking_izlamfunny coming from a guy who believes in human god who eats and drinks forgets goes to the bathroom
So according to christians the attributes of Allah are each a different being or what? what nonsense, if i say Allah is the most merciful ( Al Rahman) thats like saying The merciful is another god according to Jay? So he doesnt understand what ana ttribute is, well then what about the bible that calls God also ,Ha Rahman' in hebrew meaining the merciful? then we have no only trinity but fournity and if we add all attributes of God in the bible together we have over 60 parts. but any logical thinking person knows that attributes are no seperate beings
That's polytheism for you just like the deities of the pagans, most powerful is Zeus, fastest is Hermes, smartest is Athena, this is just greek mythology
Now they worship Love because according to them God is Love
@@El9endilolol. Those are different beans or beings 😂 with those supposed claimed attributes not a single being with those attributes. I would like you to demonstrate when was the last time you saw love walking on the street?
No you're not understanding my friend. Just like Allah's attributes come from his essence but are distinct from him, so Jesus (the word or God) comes from the fathers essence and is distinct from him.
Allah attributes are distinct but not separate. The word of God (Jesus) is distinct from the father but not separate from him.
It's very simple, and both religions believe the same concept until somehow it's confusing for a Muslim to understand the Trinity.
Lol Jay got smoked now that others have posted full debate like sneeako and mohammed Ali from muslim lantern just did full 3 hour breakdown. Of both his debates now only now has Jay dyer gone and posted the full clip at first he put up a edited 35 minutes clip to claim victory but knew he was gonna fet exposed which he did and now has posted full clip and he looks horrible in it he got intellectually dsstroyed and he is fuming he is attacking his own fans who say he didn't answer anything..after the horrible 10 minutes of time he had in the sam shamoun tag team in total against daniel and ijaz who smoked both of sam and Jay now this wjere he is acting like a child it's over for Jay dyer him and david woods careers are finished
Without lies Christianity dies 😭💀
No without lies Islam dies and everyone knows this stop it 😂‼️
Everything is a fallacy according to Jay 😂🤣😂
Win ML
This truely is a lesson in how to debate someone. When someone starts insulting and interupting all the time, you know he is very shaky. Then it's clear as daylight who's winning and losing the argument!
17:58 .... what is this racist childish behaviour ❓❗
ML cooked Jay
Why is Jay so disrespectful? He constantly shakes his head and dances Samba on his tight chair, truly admirable.
Let me explain what attributes are.
Attributes are characteristics. You can’t touch attributes; they represent behavior.
The Trinity is something entirely different. Here, we are fundamentally dealing with three entities, each of which has its own attributes.
This kindergarten argumentation from Jay is really the lowest level. One thing is very clear.
Jay, Kitchen-Shamon, and ALL Christian debaters are doing one thing lately: they have long internalized that the Trinity, its authenticity, and its history have been completely deconstructed and have no foundation anymore.
They simply want to find the same thing in Islam out of desperation, instead of proving their own man-made religion.
DESPERATION DESPERATION DESPERATION
WHY IS THIS CHRISTIAN GUY SO PANICKING? 😂
Even the Church father didn't say Jesus is equal with the Father.
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The problem is that he said that (Muslim Lantern)
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He says he doesn't want to answer, even though it is an answer, and tells him that God did not say about Himself what the man in the gray shirt claimed at 2:15.
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The answer of the man in the gray shirt was that he said at the minute: 2:57
He doesn't want to answer
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These are the ways of ignorant people who are afraid to respond and do not have any answers. When someone shocks them and tells them that he does not acknowledge his words at all, he begins to deceive people and make them believe that he does not want to answer.
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I can't see winning but I can only see the fraud, the deceiver and the fear
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The second point is that the same man in the gray T-shirt said that you say in terms of dependency and so on, but when he told him that I do not use them, he said that Jake uses them. Is Jake Islam, the Qur’an, or the Sunnah? We can ask the same question to Jake, where did you get these terms from in the first place?
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Someone's statement is not proof of Islam
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Number Three: When (Muslim Lantern) said to him: 3:50, “Give me five things about the Mu’tazilites,” he started to go senile because he spoke about what he did not know and said classic debates. I challenge him if he understood them. Then he said, “I do not have to introduce your schools.”
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Why was nothing extracted from these classic debates except the position of the Mu’tazilites? This is not a search to achieve anything but truthfulness, but only to use it to confuse people.
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Then the man in a gray shirt does not understand the examples that (Muslim Lantern) gives, and he gives examples in order to understand through the example and not liken the example to the attributes of God.
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Except that there is nothing in reality that is devoid of attributes for you to attribute to God, and this is what he explained to him in the minute: 9:40, and this is what all the scholars of the Sunnis and the community say, and we have nothing to do with the doctrine of theologians without evidence.
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The question asked by (Fanous Al-Muslim) at minute: 11:00 was a clear question, and do not come and tell me that it is in his human nature and not divine, because Christ, according to the text, only proved knowledge of the divine essence, which is the Father, but he denied it from himself in every way and from the Holy Spirit, and why is the Holy Spirit neglected? In the text from the beginning, he is equal to them in divinity
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The man in the gray T-shirt tried to respond, but even his response does not support Masih’s lack of knowledge of the hour, because there is nothing in the Bible to support his response.
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Unfortunately, it is proven in minute: 13:50 that the son is not equal to the father in everything, and this is polytheism and the opposite of monotheism.
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And at minute 14:50: He says that the Son declared in John chapters 5 and 6 that he is equal to the Father. Unfortunately, the Gospel of John says in chapter 5, verse 19: Then Jesus answered and said to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own except what He sees the father working. For whatever he does, the Son does likewise
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This is proof that Christ cannot do anything without the Father
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Rather, I spoke in context: verse 30 proves that Christ is a messenger and not God, and that he does everything that the Father commands him to do as if he were his servant and not God, and this is what Muslims say: I cannot do anything on my own. As I hear, I will be judged, and my judgment is just, for I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me.
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This is Islam, surrender to the will of God
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In the same chapter, he says that he is able to bring the dead to life because it is the Father who gave this thing, and this is what Muslims believe, that God gave Christ the ability to raise the dead, God willing: Gospel of John, chapter 5, verse 20: For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything that he does, and will show him Greater works than these, that you may marvel.
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21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
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And this is only in the first 18 minutes or so, and you say that Muslims are afraid, but rather that you are cowards and cannot defend your belief.
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He said he not answering because allah doesn’t mention it and by him making up something about Allah that he has no knowledge of is harraam and the pagan tried to force him to say something that Allah didn’t say of himself
@@anthonybuie9477 This is a fact, and Christians do not understand that we do not speak about God as they speak and discuss their God
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Even when he gave an example of the idea: It is possible to have a self devoid of attributes
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he think that mohammed ali gives an example of the attributes of God, and he does not know that Muhammad explains to him that there is no self in existence that is devoid of attributes at all
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And the Christians in the comments, the Muslim scenes are contradictory, even this man in a gray T-shirt
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Strange logic
Another W for Christianity
Yes its a win in yelling and whining if you consider that is how you win a debate 😁
@@user-rp2zs1sh3u Ah you're finally getting all you guys ever do. Jay & Sam are the first Christians to debate like Muslims do.
@@user-rp2zs1sh3u Yeah it’s pretty frustrating having a debate with someone who doesn’t understand anything at all
Be sincere if youre afraid of hell
Jay is screaming like a kid. He is the most useless person to be in a debate
The muslim guy cant speak without strawmanning Jay. Thats gotta be annoying.
You say he's strawmanning, but when he asks Jay to represent himself he denies? Are you guys for real? Even the "Strawman" you're talking about are literally the exact things Jay says.
@Vordredosama nah Jay made a clear monarchical-trinitarian definition which ML completely ignored. He instead made up a strawman and asks Jay to say "yes" or "no" to his strawman definition of the trinity. Why even debate if he's just going to make up his own terms and pretend they are the terms of his opponent, when they are not.
@@thomassandoval8025 He picked parts of Jay's definition and asked him if he agrees with them, Jay agreed first and then started talking about "strawmans" when he realised it would paint him badly when it's literally from his own definition.
You can twist or turn it however you want, but interrupting the person you're arguing against repeatedly to do so is just pathetic. I know you'll not agree to this, and will come up with whatever excuses as to why "Jay has to interrupt!", yet ML never interrupted him even when he lies about what ML says, not once.
@@VordredosamaJay answered his question, then ML acted like he said something else??? Then Jay asked ML for his criteria for what in the Bible is true, which would entail the Quran and ML started glitching
@@northseekeradventures9032 "Jay answered his question" You mean when he continued to interrupt him for 5 minutes straight? Even though the part ML was focusing on was in Jay's definition(Which again, Jay literally agreed with early on.)
Now about the criteria, ML already answered him twice "Everything that is in line with what the Quran/Hadith says is true" yet you're saying he glitched, where? did we watch the same debate?
Notice how you're jumping from topic to topic, and refusing to address the fact Jay kept interrupting over and over again because it simply wasn't going the he liked it to go. (Again, ML never interrupted him once.)
Muslim latern made a good job. You have to watched all the debate than you will understand. Christians has no answers 😂
Cool, calm, collected.
Muslim Lantern gets straight to the point, clear no mumbling, the other guy is just all over the place, there's no argument presented by him.
I enjoyed listening to Muslim Lantern
Jay is super childish trying to cheat the debate. Low confidence
jay cooked so hard in this and the muslims saying ML won are so obviously coping with this horrendous defeat 😭😭
This is what happens when you get a learned islamic guy who knows the bible vs a youtube chrsitian guy with limited knowledge of islam
Back in the days the Christian scholars used to out up good debates but now anyone can become a youtuber and claim to be knowledgeable until they get found out
Internet will destroy what left of Christianity.
Alhamdulilah for Islam ☪️, you’re cooked guys.. May Allah bless Muhammed Ali ❤️
damn Jay was cooked and grilled sideways by ML.
The ending is Hilarious Jay got muted you can see how he is soooo frustrated and cant keep his mouth shut HAHAHA
ML got under Jay;s skin so badly.
Ouch
Jay Dyer acted a bit childish in this debate....
A bit???? 🫢
Lantern can't answer questions, Jay treated him as he deserved- a child.
Muslim Lantern never answer the Questions or prove anything within the Quran. He said Jesus is a Muslim, even Jesus call himself the begotten Son of God.
"Allahs word can not be corrupted." ML the corrupted the Words of Allah🤔.
The understanding is that Christian’s don’t have the work of Jesus so u don’t know what he taught. The Bible is not the words of Allah never was he didn’t send a book down called the Bible. The Bible itself was created no more than 500 years ago copied from manuscripts that disagrees with the Bible. So how is it allahs words
If i write 3 sentences in a paper. Those are my words in that paper in TEXT. Now if you changed something in that paper. That is not my word in TEXT anymore. Words are not just only in text, it can be uttered. Words of Allah azzawajal will not be altered. It will always be the truth and it will happen.
Don' be stupid.
Injeel is NOT the Bible, Jesus was in possesion of the INJEEL, not the new Testament written decades after Jesus was uplifted.
@@TexPro-n5lwhere’s your proof for this claim? Jesus was the word of God, and that word was recorded into the New Testament
@@KingTonyBattsMark 1:14-15 (KJV) "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God ........"
Whose gospel was he preaching?? Was certainly not the one written by mark Matthew Luke and John 🤔
Game over. Not co equal.
Lantern misrepresents Jay everytime. Praise God because God is exposing him. Muslims will see this and shun 😂😂❤
Lantern avoided all these questions and pretends not to know 😂 afraid of his own standing within islam
Jay at the "tHaTs a FaLLacY!" Again
This jay was cornered and exposed as ignorant and annoying 😂
The guy ask a questions and don't want to listen to the answers. What en embarrassment
The muslim that doesnt want to defend his religion without refferencing big daddy christianity to justify HIS own religion ahaha
Like a toddler having a tantrums 💀 who the hell would want to debate with that? hahaha
Internet is the worst thing happened to Islam...
Get a life you copy paste keyboard warrior 😂
😂😂no it's opposite to that internet is helping islam to spread ❤ we see that with our eyes
After the internet happened. Still Islam is the fastest growing religion by birth rate and conversion. What do you mean worst? 😂
Yep. It’s being utterly destroyed.
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The problem is that he said that (Muslim Lantern)
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He says he doesn't want to answer, even though it is an answer, and tells him that God did not say about Himself what the man in the gray shirt claimed at 2:15.
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The answer of the man in the gray shirt was that he said at the minute: 2:57
He doesn't want to answer
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These are the ways of ignorant people who are afraid to respond and do not have any answers. When someone shocks them and tells them that he does not acknowledge his words at all, he begins to deceive people and make them believe that he does not want to answer.
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I can't see winning but I can only see the fraud, the deceiver and the fear
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The second point is that the same man in the gray T-shirt said that you say in terms of dependency and so on, but when he told him that I do not use them, he said that Jake uses them. Is Jake Islam, the Qur’an, or the Sunnah? We can ask the same question to Jake, where did you get these terms from in the first place?
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Someone's statement is not proof of Islam
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Number Three: When (Muslim Lantern) said to him: 3:50, “Give me five things about the Mu’tazilites,” he started to go senile because he spoke about what he did not know and said classic debates. I challenge him if he understood them. Then he said, “I do not have to introduce your schools.”
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Why was nothing extracted from these classic debates except the position of the Mu’tazilites? This is not a search to achieve anything but truthfulness, but only to use it to confuse people.
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Then the man in a gray shirt does not understand the examples that (Muslim Lantern) gives, and he gives examples in order to understand through the example and not liken the example to the attributes of God.
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Except that there is nothing in reality that is devoid of attributes for you to attribute to God, and this is what he explained to him in the minute: 9:40, and this is what all the scholars of the Sunnis and the community say, and we have nothing to do with the doctrine of theologians without evidence.
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The question asked by (Fanous Al-Muslim) at minute: 11:00 was a clear question, and do not come and tell me that it is in his human nature and not divine, because Christ, according to the text, only proved knowledge of the divine essence, which is the Father, but he denied it from himself in every way and from the Holy Spirit, and why is the Holy Spirit neglected? In the text from the beginning, he is equal to them in divinity
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The man in the gray T-shirt tried to respond, but even his response does not support Masih’s lack of knowledge of the hour, because there is nothing in the Bible to support his response.
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Unfortunately, it is proven in minute: 13:50 that the son is not equal to the father in everything, and this is polytheism and the opposite of monotheism.
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And at minute 14:50: He says that the Son declared in John chapters 5 and 6 that he is equal to the Father. Unfortunately, the Gospel of John says in chapter 5, verse 19: Then Jesus answered and said to them: “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own except what He sees the father working. For whatever he does, the Son does likewise
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This is proof that Christ cannot do anything without the Father
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Rather, I spoke in context: verse 30 proves that Christ is a messenger and not God, and that he does everything that the Father commands him to do as if he were his servant and not God, and this is what Muslims say: I cannot do anything on my own. As I hear, I will be judged, and my judgment is just, for I do not seek my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me.
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This is Islam, surrender to the will of God
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In the same chapter, he says that he is able to bring the dead to life because it is the Father who gave this thing, and this is what Muslims believe, that God gave Christ the ability to raise the dead, God willing: Gospel of John, chapter 5, verse 20: For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything that he does, and will show him Greater works than these, that you may marvel.
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21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
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And this is only in the first 18 minutes or so, and you say that Muslims are afraid, but rather that you are cowards and cannot defend your belief.
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20:42 sneako laughing 🤣
The Christian Sophistry is getting boriiiiiiing chat🤣😂🤣😂
The dude is literally sweating and running out of breath
Yall mad asf jay won 😂😂😂
The poll said it all like 60% Jay won
Yah. Jay won the yapping and talking over his opponent competition
@@KingTonyBatts yeah poll Can be manipulated
@@KingTonyBattsthat’s pretty ass if he only got 60% when the when the ratio is like 9:1
4:02 🤣🤣 blapping jay, yapping jay
Jay got cooked hard 😂
ML just yappin 🤣🤣
Sneaky was deleting comments on his rumble shows who won the debate
This muslim guy is not smart enough for this conversation. Lol. Also they cut the beginning of this video. 😂😂😂
6:00 - 7:00 look at sneako just starring at them both ahahahahahahahah
He is learning 😂
the muslim cope is insane
The Quran literally says there are REMNANTS of truth left in the old scriptures which confirm that Prophet Muhammad SAW is clearly the bringer of the final scripture of God NOT that these scriptures are fully true because it also clearly says in the quran "WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE WITH THEIR OWN HANDS AND CLAIM IT IS FROM GOD" this isn't rocket science, and then it tells you HOW to know which parts are true from what is left of the scriptures - simply use the Quran as the furqan i.e criterion as a supreme authority over it, if they coincide then that part is true if not then that part is corrupted. WHY use the quran? because it can be proven to be the final preserved testament from God.
An example of this in practice:
isaiah 42 specifically mentioning God will send a servant in whom he delights to the settlements of kedar and people of selah i.e ARAB bedoins as well as other missions and characteristics that clearly pertain to prophet Muhammad SAW also prophesy in psalms 91.10 mentioning a servant, who God will "command the angels concerning" so that he will not be harmed "he will be yeshua" i.e saved, salvation rescued which christian commentators have agreed refers to jesus; islam says Allah , through the angels, took jesus up before he could be killed( quran 4.157-158) THIS would be the CORRECT lens to view it from if we are to use the Quran as the "criterion" this is what is meant by the quranic verse saying that you will still find remnants of the truth from the previous scriptures, if we don't use this objective lens / metric then YES it becomes a free for all of interpretation in which each person can argue that their interpretation is correct.
If you can't recognise the Quran as the word of God by its fruits after having read the bible I PROMISE you, you are insincere whether you know it or not. Thousands of Christians have already done it and they are all evidence against you [on the day of reckoning], those who try to claim that there is no possible resemblance. If you are not simply clouded by the trinity lens you can literally see the exact same narrative of the quran running throughout the Bible, simple.
And this life is nothing more than a test to seperate those who are sincere from those who are insincere so keep playing these games, you're hurting yourselves. In the end, success is for the true and sincere, whatever that looks like.
So frustrating… I get why Jay is so annoyed! Every time Lantern misrepresented what Jay said to construct a false narrative / strawman, I myself wanted to reach through the screen and choke him out!!
Perfect summary for the Lantern “a fallacy machine gun” - just shitting out bad arguments left right and centre - couldn’t even comprehend Jays arguments. What a shitshow for Islam!
Allah hu Akbar ☝🏼
Andrew Wilson? Lol this is Jay Dyer.
"I know you are,...but what am I.....???😅
The trinity helps Christian’s understand god just as Allahs attributes help Moslems understand god. So it’s not good enough that the very things Moslems rely on to understand God leaves them saying “ it’s beyond our knowledge”. The attributes are a SERIOUS theological problem for Islam because it causes inherent contradictions. Allah can’t enter creation but his attribute of speech literally enters creation. Allahs hand is not like the human hand yet it is described in the same way a human hand is and performs the exact same function of creating things. Allah doesn’t run but he has legs and feet that he uses to run. Allah has the attribute of mercy which is not dependent upon creation but…Allah can’t give mercy without the need for something to exist. Allah is one indivisible “entity” yet he is composed of multiple attributes which are distinct yet not seperate. They are not the whole of Allah but they are not part of Allah. The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. I can go on and on with examples that contradict and debunk Islam. And these are just the simple ones.
jay any time he doesnt get his way: SNEAKO please, im gonna cry and talk over the Muslim Lantern
This Jay guy is a clown 🤡
Muslim Bulb doesnt know self existence?
Muslim always plays dumb
Muslims, even if Christianity is false, that doesnt make islam true. You have to actually prove that islam is true on its own merit.
Until now i dont know what ML position even is! That Christianity is false? Great!!! HOW DOES THAT MAKE ISLAM TRUE?!?!?!!!
Very childish behavior from this jay …
ill debate jay anyday and i can beat him
Lantern cooked! 🤣🤣
These Muslims mad jay cooked this typical Muslim 😂😂😂‼️
Can the Moslems answer me this. You claim Allah is an independent being and his attributes are not dependent upon creation. So….give me an example of Allah giving mercy without the need for something else to exist. This’ll be funny.
More dumb questions, cope harder and keep spamming the chat, I understand how an L hurts.
He dont need human 2b all merciful
Jus as he dont need 2 create 2b the creator
Funny is U worshipin a Man once a baby
So if he doesn’t need humans to give mercy tell me what Allah does need to give mercy. You claim Allah has the attribute of mercy and his attributes are not dependent upon creation so give me an example of Allah giving mercy that doesn’t require something else to exist. I’ve asked twice now.
im glad he showed his true christian colors by mocking Muhammed Ali and calling him names. what an absolute embarrassment..... check that, he is a perfect rep of wyte people AKA christians.
Jay dyin 😅
this dude needs some anger and emotion management like seriously
No wonder people are leaving Christianity, lol 🤣
Jay is just good at beating around the bush when an argument is presented what a joke.
Win ML
Internet worst thing to happen to Christianity without lies Christianity dies
Alhamdulillah for Islam
Man sneako doing a horrible job at moderation
All this Muslim did is pata Tata pata Tata I didn’t understand what he was saying 😂😂😂
But you understood the Christian guys rants??😂😂
Are you the guy who thinks attributes and parts are the same 😅?
Look at the POLL where are the Muslims !! ML lost 😂
wow that's the lying muslim guy and the worst moderator ever T_T'
Watch from 5:45 and see how annoying Jay is