I would advocate for the towers. 1 if space is tight and you bump the book shelf. It is going to fall. 2. Put the towers on furniture movers. If you just want sound, push them back. If you want to listen, mark on the floor where they sound best an pull them there and push back when done. Not optimal but at least practical. 3 give it all up and go for headphones.
This is exactly why I reflect my sub off the front wall. Bass is amplified-lowered (a whole bunch), I use a 45 degree mounted board (toward the floor) in front of sub to reflect back up onto the front wall. Which has a PJ screen. Works wonderfully.
guitarpicker subwoofers radiate the sound omnidirectionally so there is no need to point or reflect the subwoofer. The distance to the wall(s) do make a big difference though and this is one of the factors you can use to raise the bottom end of a sub although there may be too much midbass so you have to experiment.
The simple answer is to choose another room even if its smaller. I say this not because of your wife but because the room is square and no speaker is going to work in there. Small satellite speakers and a sub in a 6x8ft room will sound a lot better. If you must use the square room then make one end, ideally behind the speakers as damped as possible to try and flatten the uneven lower bass. Typically +10db at 35 and 70hz and -10db at 50hz. That means booming lower bass with no speed or punch. Playing at low volumes won't help!. Use speakers that dont go too low say 60hz and a sub that stops around 40hz could help you work around and with the rooms issues and if possible try a near field listning position. Tannoy Autograph would be a prefect option although they are expensive. Good luck
@@Ineedtotakeabreak quite possible, l hadn't thought of that. Putting a pair of speakers in a single bedroom would still sound better if it's not square, if you have a bedroom that is...
A couple additional suggestions. Consider mounting the bookshelf speakers on wall mount arms but on the side walls a few feet from the back wall, angled into the stereo sweet spot. Also there are companies that make acoustic treatment with graphic prints on them (stock or your own art). Two acoustic art panels on a back wall and one on each first reflection point can do wonders in a small room. Further, a book shelf with random sized books makes a great diffuser as well. And finally, a Helmherz (sp?) resonator box can be installed behind a couch to absorb problem bass frequencies. Suddenly, your small room looks and sounds great!
Use bookshelf speakers with a subwoofer...and one beauty of small rooms is that you won't have so much multi-path echoes, which is great if you lean more to a studio ambience than a live music concert hall ambience.
Fat Rat ... whoooaaaaa ... rock bottom price! That’s gonna be nice. In times like these, cash is king! A few dealers been offering me Covid specials. 😂🤣
I love the idea of bookshelf speakers paired with a subwoofer. They give you the best of top end clarity and adjustable dedicated bass output. BTW, KEF LS50 paired with a REL subwoofer is a match made in heaven.
Hi Paul, 1. would a front ported speaker be better suited when you need to push the speakers closer to the rear wall? 2. Bungs, I feel the speaker Bungs help me push my Q3030i closer to the real wall.
Super helpful vid! I 2nd! - trade in the FS's for a small sub. Always wondered what the setting up diagonally would be like... No good for you, though nearfield-ish in the middle of a small damped room can give a superb soundstage lighting up the back wall. ...or get more Wives - great acoustic dampening.
I had this conversation with myself before I bought my floorstanders, Decided that since I wasn't in my "forever" home I'd keep the FS's for the future room
What about K&M 24496 ceiling mount? They are strong, can load 25 kg each, are available on amazon. You can change angle 0 to 45 deg. and swivel it up to 90 deg. There are some active bookshelf speakers (Meridian DSP 3200, Genelecs, Neumann KH120, Tannoys, Focal Shape, Pioneer (TAD) RM-07 etc.)that can easily be mounted (k&m have a .xls list if them in their site). I personally plan to use K&M ceiling mounts in my 12 square meter kitchen - our main listening space. They will be 0,5-0,6 (1/5) meter away from window brick wall with heavy curtains and acoustical treatment, 0,7-0,8 meter from the side walls (1/5). Concrete ceiling will also have some dumping. I plan to use Genelec 8040 (similar to G4) without subwoofer and some streaming DAC (maybe used PS Audio Direct Junior), unfortunately without phono stage. Is it a good idea? Or not, because 8000 / G series have cheap Wifa drivers? Is it better to go passive with better drivers and Sprout 100 + Mac mini with Roon and turntable with a good MM (I already have one)? The problem with passive is that I have to drill holes for furniture nuts on the back side of them. And most of them do need a subwoofer, so I have to put a carpet under the dining table to damp the floor (it will be difficult to clean it).
Audio. The most important. I'm in a similar size room. Run heresy's (purchased in '84, STILL AWESOME!) and 2 R-51m's. Arranged as much into the corners as I can. You sit in the middle, set volume, it's beautiful! Women (in general) don't get it. They just don't.🤔
Keep the floor standers by all means I have a pair of Cerwin Vega XLS215’s along with a 18” JBL powered sub in a 12x12 room Sounds great all over the 2600 sqft. house It even sounds great across the street at my neighbors yards
The first house I bought (called a shotgun) had a 12X12 living room. I had a pair of IRS IIIa's at 4 feet tall in there. Always knew I would move one day and lucky enough I left the ex wife behind also.
I’m not sure how that can be said when one of the first things to do to get proper “sound stage” & proper sonic functioning it to locate (tweeter, midrange & upper bass) speakers @ roughly 1/3 out from the wall.
There are speakers designed to be against the wall i know the Klipsch Heritage line for 1 also a sealed or front ported speaker would get you closer to the wall. Just be careful in the corners as it does change the sound.
Some wall mounted monitors like the Polk M3II/M5 to make the room feel more open. (that's what you tell the wife, it's actually to kill off any lingering aesthetics) Some KISS, Led Zeppelin, AC~DC, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd fleece tapestry hanging all over the walls for diffuse. (that's what you tell the wife, it's just the cool factor) Super huge lava lamps in the corners for bass traps. (that's what you tell the wife, it's just for the cool factor) Dense thick ribbon shag rug to kill first reflection (that's what you tell the wife, it's just to cradle your bare feet in luxury after a long day of dodging human interaction). A most comfy sitting apparatus.(for one, let the wife use the sub and hold your beer) 16" SVS Subwoofer to fill in the lows (that's what you tell the wife, it's actually to hold your beer when your wife leaves you) Drop a needle. RELAX... Don't do it. Franky say.
@Fat Rat 33 years of blissful matrimony. We share one thing in common. Total devotion to her happiness. But I get a mancave and a shop to disappear into and teach my grandchildren in. Plus golf courses are quite huge so she can have her kitchen/family room/bedroom because she cooks like a chef for a large family and you can guess what happens in a bedroom. But I'm sure you've not experienced it. 😄
@Fat Rat I'm never wrong. And my online persona doesn't reflect on my personal self whatsoever. It's fun when idiots like you get butthurt over a comment section. My ego is non existent. I'm grounded in professional and personal integrity and humility. I enjoy poking fun at online know-it-all trolls such as yourself though. As well as calling out the bullshit from content creators on RUclips. But just to reiterate, I'm never wrong.
This won't work if you have a wife, but I removed a big couch from my audio listening room and have a nice comfortable ekornes lounge chair and getting rid of that large couch really helped the acoustics.
H Paul, great help and amazing demo how walking close to the wall has such a profound influence. Do you have any recommendation about the maximum frequency of a subwoofer to avoid its location being revealed (too much)?
Paul, if this is the room you are using for video conferencing, you really should consider using some acoustical treatment in there. The reverberation is obvious and is negatively impacting the audio quality of the room. Especially important for an AUDIO products company.
Get rid of the floor standers and get some bookshelf speakers coupled with a smallish sub, maybe 10 - 12 inch at most. Then don’t listen to Paul about placing the woofer wherever you want, placement of a sub or subs is very critical to getting the smoothest bass possible. I think that maybe Paul said you can move them wherever you want because he was referring to the fact that a wireless sub has no wires therefore isn’t restrictive and is more appealing to the look in the room.
Unless they're Bose! 😂😂😂 But seriously though, having the side or back sides of the speakers close to the wall has a big effect on the sound. For most speakers anyway.
First time I've disagreed with you Paul, keep the floor stander's. After you put them on speaker stands you still have the same footprint. I love my wife but she will get used to it
Perhaps consider selling both sets of speakers and buying a soundbar...only kidding. Sell both and buy a good set of front ported standmounts and a sub. Then the standmounts can be placed right up to the wall with minimal effect on sound quality. I also agree that sub placement matters but life is a compromise and a sub placed discretely but not ideally is much better than no sub at all.
I don't disagree with you often, but this time I kinda do. I'd keep the floorstanders and skip the subwoofer. And I definitely wouldn't advise people to put their subwoofer anywhere in the room, placement matters.
Just ask your Mrs does she like it up against the wall😂😉 Ideally you want a front farming port speaker or sealed box or half and half. Get yourself some woolen fleece throw x2 or double it up, hang it away from the wall, you can dye the fleece to the same colour as the walls, ideally you want to put some in the corners as well that's the most important place. Another thing you can make a false wall and put the speakers in the wall slightly angled towards your sitting position. A concentric driver would work better in a smaller space. Having a mini DSP or dirac live would help a lot in bass management a must have
Bookshelf speakers can be put on a bookshelf, it's in the name.😊 Harbeth and Graham audio make amazing bookshelf speakers, that you can put on a bookshelf !!!!.
@Fat Rat Jup but even without closing eyes, aesthetics are irrelevant, as long as it doesn't interfere with the interface by making it unclear or unnecessarily complicated. It's equipment made to do the job well, just like any other type of machinery; if it looks nice, it's just a nice thing on the side.
@@thisisnev Somehow, people get fixated on the idea that looks of an object says something about the inside (i.e. visual design vs electrical design). Those are two independent properties. It's more or less a parallel to people who judge others personality based on looks. Audiophiles actually are very good at that; as long as something looks expensive, they think it sounds good. I mean, just look at "audiophile" cables and compare it to any other type of high-end cable, it's one of the most prominent examples. Or the fancy looking tube amps with a fuckton of harmonic distortion, intermodulation, microphonics and thermal noise... They like that. They like that because it looks fancy, expensive and because "it is different", to distinguish themselves from the masses (and some are old farts that like the tube nostalgia of it all 😜). And that's not unique to audiophile products, it's the same with all Veblen goods.
Thank your Mister Pal for explainig refelcted wayev starting at 4 minetes 20 secconds. Here as a article ifind for REFLECTED WAVES... Constructive interference occurs whenever waves come together so that they are in phase with each other. This means that their oscillations at a given point are in the same direction, the resulting amplitude at that point being much larger than the amplitude of an individual wave. For two waves of equal amplitude interfering constructively, the resulting amplitude is twice as large as the amplitude of an individual wave. For 100 waves of the same amplitude interfering constructively, the resulting amplitude is 100 times larger than the amplitude of an individual wave. Constructive interference, then, can produce a significant increase in amplitude. HORNs are no autophil because of renosnce and amplitude modulation and reflced and stnding waves. it mak a choursng type of effect. Ireded some articles with math opeators DIVERGENCE and partial differental rquations. IDONT CAR, THEY ARE WRONGS liekbose DIRECT REFLCTE,or kliph FOLDEN HORM boom boom boom box! THNKES YOUES AND THMMSS USPS!
Plese Goolgle REFLECTED WAVES. Th wreck the sound including amplutude modulation, STANDING WAVES, resonance. Horns spekers suchas Klipsh make a chorus type effect. They make fake article using fancy mat arithmetick include partial eifferental equations an DIVERGENCE operato.THEY AIR LIEAR. Only Mist Paul PS audio speeke the truh. THNK YU and thumsusp!
Chuck Dennhardt: Holloe min frends, Klipsh also uses compression drivers. It is a thing with holed in front of the fpeakes and causes an enmouse amount of reflected waves and amplutude modulating distortions, chorus efect, our of phase wacws, frequency modulating, . here us a artik i funds Phase Change Upon Reflection The phase of the reflected sound waves from hard surfaces and the reflection of string waves from their ends determines whether the interference of the reflected and incident waves will be constructive or destructive. For string waves at the ends of strings there is a reversal of phase and it plays an important role in producing resonance in strings. Since the reflected wave and the incident wave add to each other while moving in opposite directions, the appearance of propagation is lost and the resulting vibration is called a standing wave. YOU CAN SEARCH fpr youtube vidoes 'schlieren sound waves'. HORNES and bose direct reflect 901 ARE NOTS audiophiles THABKES YOUES AND THBBS UPS.
The Odd Couple, formally titled onscreen Neil Simon's The Odd Couple, is an American sitcom television series broadcast from September 24, 1970, to March 7, 1975, on ABC. It stars Tony Randall as Felix Unger and Jack Klugman as Oscar Madison, and was the first of several sitcoms developed by Garry Marshall for Paramount Television. The show is based on the 1965 play of the same name, which was written by Neil Simon, as well as on the play's 1968 film adaptation. Felix and Oscar are both divorced. They share a Manhattan apartment, and their different lifestyles inevitably lead to conflicts and laughs.
thisisnev: Hello Mine Goods Frends!! Isa thsi the article you were lookign fore - Recall we can write a complex number in terms of its magnitude and phase (i.e., its polar representation). These quantities determine the magnitude and phase of the underlying complex exponential. X(ω) tells how much content the original signal has at frequency ω. More precisely, X(ω) tells both the magnitude and phase to use for the complex exponential e jωt at frequency ω. If X(ω) = Aejφ in polar form, then X(ω)e jωt = Aej(ωt+φ) so that A and φ are the magnitude and phase, respectively, of the complex sinusoid. THNKES YOU AND THUMBBS UPS!
A mistake I see over and over including Paul is to place your gear between the speakers in square view of the listener. So you're trying to create the illusion that it's not coming from your pitiful portable picnic player while you're staring right at it! FSS!
InsideOfMyOwnMind Go horizontal with your equipment if you must have it between your speakers. Try it; it’s free. If you have a small room, putting a vertical rack anywhere near your speakers will affect the sound.
I would : 1. Add a little reverb... or 2. Make the room bigger...or 3. Buy a bigger room...or 4. Shrink the Music System...or LASTLY 5. Buy a pair of BOSE 901s
@Paul Lazarro This would explain my attraction for petite women. If there’s ever a fire at home I’ll never have to choose between saving my turntable or my wife.
3 things you can do : You can do all this during WFH (Work From Home)! and make your office pay for it... You can also keep your book shelf speakers 6 - 10 feet apart (Social Distancing) You can cover the tweeters with a N95 Covid-19 Mask. (if your tweeter sneezes).
Headphones sound like the band is inside your head. You get movement left and right but no depth. Speakers sound like the band is behind them and you can pin point each instrument. Sadly headphones will never sound like a speaker does.
@@allansh828 Even if you have those, i don't think it will do magic to make the music sound like it's 4 meters in front of you.Speakers that are 1/10th the price of those headphones will probably have way better sound stage, just because you can't beat physics.
Just Sell all the speakers and buy a Meze Empyrean headphone and a good headphoneamp, problem solved and you don’t have to listen to you wife nagging on about the new dress she bought
There’s no way I wold part with any of my speakers. fact devours ore she leavs them where I put them men don’t have that many pleasers so leave the little pleaser we have alone ore else 😠😠😠😠
Ian Yates I faced the problem , since I used two set of classic Polk audio sda 2 signature series which like an old furniture and a pair of old Martin Logan sequel , these pairs of beasts always become the long and exhausting argue with my spouse ....wish could be as firm as you Ian ...
Bambang Soendaroe just try it you will never know put your foot down but do it like you’re joking see what her reaction is. That way you have a way out 😂😂😂😂🤪
Sly foxxx hi there I speak in to my I pad so any spelling mistakes are the I pad not me, it still gets it wrong even after correcting it so you can still go fuck your self
When I upgraded my bookshelf speakers to towers, my wife said she prefers the look of the towers more. I was like...cool. Damn I love her.
Never give any of components away because you will never be allowed to buy them again.
Good point, store them.
Paul had already gave one more suggestion about square room and that is to put bookshelves in the corners and that is excellent advice that works
I would advocate for the towers. 1 if space is tight and you bump the book shelf. It is going to fall. 2. Put the towers on furniture movers. If you just want sound, push them back. If you want to listen, mark on the floor where they sound best an pull them there and push back when done. Not optimal but at least practical. 3 give it all up and go for headphones.
This is exactly why I reflect my sub off the front wall. Bass is amplified-lowered (a whole bunch), I use a 45 degree mounted board (toward the floor) in front of sub to reflect back up onto the front wall. Which has a PJ screen. Works wonderfully.
guitarpicker subwoofers radiate the sound omnidirectionally so there is no need to point or reflect the subwoofer. The distance to the wall(s) do make a big difference though and this is one of the factors you can use to raise the bottom end of a sub although there may be too much midbass so you have to experiment.
You are great Marriage Therapist! 😀 You saved so mamy couples by this video! Thumps up!
The simple answer is to choose another room even if its smaller. I say this not because of your wife but because the room is square and no speaker is going to work in there. Small satellite speakers and a sub in a 6x8ft room will sound a lot better.
If you must use the square room then make one end, ideally behind the speakers as damped as possible to try and flatten the uneven lower bass. Typically +10db at 35 and 70hz and -10db at 50hz. That means booming lower bass with no speed or punch. Playing at low volumes won't help!.
Use speakers that dont go too low say 60hz and a sub that stops around 40hz could help you work around and with the rooms issues and if possible try a near field listning position. Tannoy Autograph would be a prefect option although they are expensive. Good luck
Stephen S2R If you live in a small space there is probably not another room to be had.
@@Ineedtotakeabreak quite possible, l hadn't thought of that. Putting a pair of speakers in a single bedroom would still sound better if it's not square, if you have a bedroom that is...
A couple additional suggestions. Consider mounting the bookshelf speakers on wall mount arms but on the side walls a few feet from the back wall, angled into the stereo sweet spot. Also there are companies that make acoustic treatment with graphic prints on them (stock or your own art). Two acoustic art panels on a back wall and one on each first reflection point can do wonders in a small room. Further, a book shelf with random sized books makes a great diffuser as well. And finally, a Helmherz (sp?) resonator box can be installed behind a couch to absorb problem bass frequencies. Suddenly, your small room looks and sounds great!
Like articulated video monitor arms. Yes!
Use bookshelf speakers with a subwoofer...and one beauty of small rooms is that you won't have so much multi-path echoes, which is great if you lean more to a studio ambience than a live music concert hall ambience.
Yeah! That’s the way to go
Fat Rat ... whoooaaaaa ... rock bottom price! That’s gonna be nice. In times like these, cash is king!
A few dealers been offering me Covid specials. 😂🤣
Fat Rat ... I’ll leave it out in the sun for 3-4 days ok 😂🤣
Fat Rat ... okie dokie. Please come visit me if my plans for a big AV Fest takes off after Covid. 😈
Fat Rat ... place a koala on top of it. You will get a huge improvement in sound quality!
There’s more than just chili crabs 😈
I love the idea of bookshelf speakers paired with a subwoofer. They give you the best of top end clarity and adjustable dedicated bass output. BTW, KEF LS50 paired with a REL subwoofer is a match made in heaven.
Fantastic demonstration
Hi Paul, 1. would a front ported speaker be better suited when you need to push the speakers closer to the rear wall? 2. Bungs, I feel the speaker Bungs help me push my Q3030i closer to the real wall.
Super helpful vid!
I 2nd! - trade in the FS's for a small sub. Always wondered what the setting up diagonally would be like...
No good for you, though nearfield-ish in the middle of a small damped room can give a superb soundstage lighting up the back wall.
...or get more Wives - great acoustic dampening.
I had this conversation with myself before I bought my floorstanders, Decided that since I wasn't in my "forever" home I'd keep the FS's for the future room
What about K&M 24496 ceiling mount?
They are strong, can load 25 kg each, are available on amazon.
You can change angle 0 to 45 deg. and swivel it up to 90 deg.
There are some active bookshelf speakers (Meridian DSP 3200, Genelecs, Neumann KH120, Tannoys, Focal Shape, Pioneer (TAD) RM-07 etc.)that can easily be mounted (k&m have a .xls list if them in their site).
I personally plan to use K&M ceiling mounts in my 12 square meter kitchen - our main listening space.
They will be 0,5-0,6 (1/5) meter away from window brick wall with heavy curtains and acoustical treatment, 0,7-0,8 meter from the side walls (1/5). Concrete ceiling will also have some dumping.
I plan to use Genelec 8040 (similar to G4) without subwoofer and some streaming DAC (maybe used PS Audio Direct Junior), unfortunately without phono stage.
Is it a good idea?
Or not, because 8000 / G series have cheap Wifa drivers?
Is it better to go passive with better drivers and Sprout 100 + Mac mini with Roon and turntable with a good MM (I already have one)?
The problem with passive is that I have to drill holes for furniture nuts on the back side of them. And most of them do need a subwoofer, so I have to put a carpet under the dining table to damp the floor (it will be difficult to clean it).
Audio. The most important. I'm in a similar size room. Run heresy's (purchased in '84, STILL AWESOME!) and 2 R-51m's. Arranged as much into the corners as I can. You sit in the middle, set volume, it's beautiful! Women (in general) don't get it. They just don't.🤔
Keep the floor standers by all means I have a pair of Cerwin Vega XLS215’s along with a 18” JBL powered sub in a 12x12 room Sounds great all over the 2600 sqft. house It even sounds great across the street at my neighbors yards
The first house I bought (called a shotgun) had a 12X12 living room. I had a pair of IRS IIIa's at 4 feet tall in there. Always knew I would move one day and lucky enough I left the ex wife behind also.
I’m not sure how that can be said when one of the first things to do to get proper “sound stage” & proper sonic functioning it to locate (tweeter, midrange & upper bass) speakers @ roughly 1/3 out from the wall.
Maybe I'm weird because I prefer the aesthetics of a smooth floor-standing over bookshelfs on stands. Thanks for the video, Paul.
Any speaker set up properly will be in the way.
Elac BS-312 are very nice speakers for small rooms. You could squeeze them anywhere.
There are speakers designed to be against the wall i know the Klipsch Heritage line for 1 also a sealed or front ported speaker would get you closer to the wall. Just be careful in the corners as it does change the sound.
I believe the triangles are also rated for close to the Wall. If you decide to go bookshelf. Personally I prefer floorstands.
Some wall mounted monitors like the Polk M3II/M5 to make the room feel more open. (that's what you tell the wife, it's actually to kill off any lingering aesthetics)
Some KISS, Led Zeppelin, AC~DC, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd fleece tapestry hanging all over the walls for diffuse. (that's what you tell the wife, it's just the cool factor)
Super huge lava lamps in the corners for bass traps. (that's what you tell the wife, it's just for the cool factor)
Dense thick ribbon shag rug to kill first reflection (that's what you tell the wife, it's just to cradle your bare feet in luxury after a long day of dodging human interaction).
A most comfy sitting apparatus.(for one, let the wife use the sub and hold your beer)
16" SVS Subwoofer to fill in the lows (that's what you tell the wife, it's actually to hold your beer when your wife leaves you)
Drop a needle.
RELAX...
Don't do it.
Franky say.
@Fat Rat
33 years of blissful matrimony. We share one thing in common. Total devotion to her happiness. But I get a mancave and a shop to disappear into and teach my grandchildren in. Plus golf courses are quite huge so she can have her kitchen/family room/bedroom because she cooks like a chef for a large family and you can guess what happens in a bedroom. But I'm sure you've not experienced it. 😄
@Fat Rat
I'm never wrong. And my online persona doesn't reflect on my personal self whatsoever. It's fun when idiots like you get butthurt over a comment section. My ego is non existent. I'm grounded in professional and personal integrity and humility. I enjoy poking fun at online know-it-all trolls such as yourself though. As well as calling out the bullshit from content creators on RUclips. But just to reiterate, I'm never wrong.
if you have a "wireless sub", place it next to your listening position (behind typically)
This won't work if you have a wife, but I removed a big couch from my audio listening room and have a nice comfortable ekornes lounge chair and getting rid of that large couch really helped the acoustics.
There are speakers that are specifically designed for wall-mounting, like the old Technics SB-F1, which factor wall coupling into their overall sound.
Always been a fan of Polk M5 and M3II and their ability to be mounted on a wall and aimed. 👌🏼
thisisnev ATS SCM S also. For example ATS SCM7s.
Now they are called Home theater speakers.
@@adelkharisov you mean ATC? bloated in price. For the money an entire system could be had.
Finn McCool atc scm s is not so popular as scm. In Russia you can buy new scm s 7 in the open box with metal grills for 900$.
Look at Avito.ru
Hahaha,, Paul is also talking to the wall!! LOL 4:25min.. Many of us do that in these corona times…
thanks this is much valuable information for me
H Paul, great help and amazing demo how walking close to the wall has such a profound influence. Do you have any recommendation about the maximum frequency of a subwoofer to avoid its location being revealed (too much)?
I'd not go much higher than 30Hz.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Yeah, cant go much lower either.
Hi Paul. I have a small room of 11x11 and I'm listening to a pair of Russell k red 50s and they sound so yummy in my small room...
BTW, my speakers are over 6 foot high and i don't give them away!! NEVER!
Paul, if this is the room you are using for video conferencing, you really should consider using some acoustical treatment in there. The reverberation is obvious and is negatively impacting the audio quality of the room. Especially important for an AUDIO products company.
Shut the heck up
Get rid of the floor standers and get some bookshelf speakers coupled with a smallish sub, maybe 10 - 12 inch at most. Then don’t listen to Paul about placing the woofer wherever you want, placement of a sub or subs is very critical to getting the smoothest bass possible. I think that maybe Paul said you can move them wherever you want because he was referring to the fact that a wireless sub has no wires therefore isn’t restrictive and is more appealing to the look in the room.
I kind of agree but I think that with a bit of DSP you can compensate for the slightly less optimal sub placement
Samuel Taylor Yup, sure can.
That's big mine roughly 8 by 10 if that I wish I had your meeting room
i get what your saying about speakers and the wall but most people dont face their speakers at the wall tho!
Unless they're Bose! 😂😂😂
But seriously though, having the side or back sides of the speakers close to the wall has a big effect on the sound. For most speakers anyway.
First time I've disagreed with you Paul, keep the floor stander's. After you put them on speaker stands you still have the same footprint. I love my wife but she will get used to it
Agree with you. My room is same size and shape 12ftx12ft with 3ft high floorstanders, 2ft away from front wall and 3ft from side walls.
Perhaps consider selling both sets of speakers and buying a soundbar...only kidding.
Sell both and buy a good set of front ported standmounts and a sub. Then the standmounts can be placed right up to the wall with minimal effect on sound quality. I also agree that sub placement matters but life is a compromise and a sub placed discretely but not ideally is much better than no sub at all.
sealed speaker well engineered one not a boom box everytime. never needed subs to destroy the sound of my Atc scm11 .
Better imaging with bookshelf speakers.
'give your wife away!' LOL
EBAY > electronics > HiFi for home use > accessories > wives
Next time you're in the UK we'll show you some legit small rooms:p
I don't disagree with you often, but this time I kinda do. I'd keep the floorstanders and skip the subwoofer. And I definitely wouldn't advise people to put their subwoofer anywhere in the room, placement matters.
Aerial Acoustics 5t's will do the trick.
Just ask your Mrs does she like it up against the wall😂😉
Ideally you want a front farming port speaker or sealed box or half and half. Get yourself some woolen fleece throw x2 or double it up, hang it away from the wall, you can dye the fleece to the same colour as the walls, ideally you want to put some in the corners as well that's the most important place. Another thing you can make a false wall and put the speakers in the wall slightly angled towards your sitting position. A concentric driver would work better in a smaller space. Having a mini DSP or dirac live would help a lot in bass management a must have
@Fat Rat well spotted Batman
Anyone have good experiences with Magnepans in such a small room? The rule of thirds in a 12 foot room puts them about 4 feet away from you.
No!
Get a pair of Tekton Double Impacts, and turn the volume on small.
That is NOT a small room!
Woohoo I’m the first great video Paul thanks for getting me through another day wonder what the 1000th question will be?
"a subwoofer can be anywhere in the room/don't matter where it is". This is a serious misrepresentation....
Couldn't agree more. Ive been looking for this comment. Location makes all the difference :)
Deuses Paul! Now get back in the corner your in time out! Hahahahahaha
I have Dali Oberon On Wall for Rear. Performance and Looking is great.
Bookshelf speakers can be put on a bookshelf, it's in the name.😊 Harbeth and Graham audio make amazing bookshelf speakers, that you can put on a bookshelf !!!!.
If he gets rid of one pair of speakers, the wife should get rid of something too. Equality doesn't work the way women think.
Did he say " little weenie speakers?" " doah"
I wouldnt call that a small space. Its at least twice the size of my bedroom.
My wife is fine with big speakers. 6 foot tall. 👍🏻👌🏻
J.T. Cooper you're very lucky guy ....
He chose... wisely.
2:20 Audio equipment is not about aesthetics, only lifestyle products are.
@Fat Rat Jup but even without closing eyes, aesthetics are irrelevant, as long as it doesn't interfere with the interface by making it unclear or unnecessarily complicated.
It's equipment made to do the job well, just like any other type of machinery; if it looks nice, it's just a nice thing on the side.
Ugly design is poor design. Somehow, audiophiles get fixated on the idea that good looks and good sound aren't compatible.
@@thisisnev Somehow, people get fixated on the idea that looks of an object says something about the inside (i.e. visual design vs electrical design).
Those are two independent properties.
It's more or less a parallel to people who judge others personality based on looks.
Audiophiles actually are very good at that; as long as something looks expensive, they think it sounds good.
I mean, just look at "audiophile" cables and compare it to any other type of high-end cable, it's one of the most prominent examples. Or the fancy looking tube amps with a fuckton of harmonic distortion, intermodulation, microphonics and thermal noise... They like that. They like that because it looks fancy, expensive and because "it is different", to distinguish themselves from the masses (and some are old farts that like the tube nostalgia of it all 😜).
And that's not unique to audiophile products, it's the same with all Veblen goods.
@Fat Rat I suspect audiophiles are pretty much the definition of fixated! ;¬D
Thank your Mister Pal for explainig refelcted wayev starting at 4 minetes 20 secconds. Here as a article ifind for REFLECTED WAVES...
Constructive interference occurs whenever waves come together so that they are in phase with each other. This means that their oscillations at a given point are in the same direction, the resulting amplitude at that point being much larger than the amplitude of an individual wave. For two waves of equal amplitude interfering constructively, the resulting amplitude is twice as large as the amplitude of an individual wave. For 100 waves of the same amplitude interfering constructively, the resulting amplitude is 100 times larger than the amplitude of an individual wave. Constructive interference, then, can produce a significant increase in amplitude.
HORNs are no autophil because of renosnce and amplitude modulation and reflced and stnding waves. it mak a choursng type of effect. Ireded some articles with math opeators DIVERGENCE and partial differental rquations. IDONT CAR, THEY ARE WRONGS liekbose DIRECT REFLCTE,or kliph FOLDEN HORM boom boom boom box! THNKES YOUES AND THMMSS USPS!
I wish I could understand what you're saying
Plese Goolgle REFLECTED WAVES. Th wreck the sound including amplutude modulation, STANDING WAVES, resonance. Horns spekers suchas Klipsh make a chorus type effect. They make fake article using fancy mat arithmetick include partial eifferental equations an DIVERGENCE operato.THEY AIR LIEAR. Only Mist Paul PS audio speeke the truh. THNK YU and thumsusp!
Ooooookay. as an owner of Klipsch speakers for years I think you're totally wrong but you're entitled to your own opinion
Chuck Dennhardt: Holloe min frends, Klipsh also uses compression drivers. It is a thing with holed in front of the fpeakes and causes an enmouse amount of reflected waves and amplutude modulating distortions, chorus efect, our of phase wacws, frequency modulating, . here us a artik i funds
Phase Change Upon Reflection
The phase of the reflected sound waves from hard surfaces and the reflection of string waves from their ends determines whether the interference of the reflected and incident waves will be constructive or destructive. For string waves at the ends of strings there is a reversal of phase and it plays an important role in producing resonance in strings. Since the reflected wave and the incident wave add to each other while moving in opposite directions, the appearance of propagation is lost and the resulting vibration is called a standing wave.
YOU CAN SEARCH fpr youtube vidoes 'schlieren sound waves'. HORNES and bose direct reflect 901 ARE NOTS audiophiles
THABKES YOUES AND THBBS UPS.
@@ilovecops6255
I love literacy
As always some of the best marriage advice for all modern couples 😀
The Odd Couple, formally titled onscreen Neil Simon's The Odd Couple, is an American sitcom television series broadcast from September 24, 1970, to March 7, 1975, on ABC. It stars Tony Randall as Felix Unger and Jack Klugman as Oscar Madison, and was the first of several sitcoms developed by Garry Marshall for Paramount Television. The show is based on the 1965 play of the same name, which was written by Neil Simon, as well as on the play's 1968 film adaptation. Felix and Oscar are both divorced. They share a Manhattan apartment, and their different lifestyles inevitably lead to conflicts and laughs.
@@ilovecops6255 Thank you, Roger Irrelevant.
thisisnev: Hello Mine Goods Frends!! Isa thsi the article you were lookign fore -
Recall we can write a complex number in terms of its magnitude and phase (i.e., its polar representation). These quantities determine the magnitude and phase of the underlying complex exponential. X(ω) tells how much content the original signal has at frequency ω. More precisely, X(ω) tells both the magnitude and phase to use for the complex exponential e jωt at frequency ω. If X(ω) = Aejφ in polar form, then X(ω)e jωt = Aej(ωt+φ) so that A and φ are the magnitude and phase, respectively, of the complex sinusoid.
THNKES YOU AND THUMBBS UPS!
A mistake I see over and over including Paul is to place your gear between the speakers in square view of the listener. So you're trying to create the illusion that it's not coming from your pitiful portable picnic player while you're staring right at it! FSS!
Interesting, I’ve never thought of that. Guess longer speaker cables would be needed to move equipment from in between the speakers.
Sometimes you have no choice
InsideOfMyOwnMind Go horizontal with your equipment if you must have it between your speakers. Try it; it’s free. If you have a small room, putting a vertical rack anywhere near your speakers will affect the sound.
I would :
1. Add a little reverb... or
2. Make the room bigger...or
3. Buy a bigger room...or
4. Shrink the Music System...or LASTLY
5. Buy a pair of BOSE 901s
"Add a little reverb -" *audiophiles faint* :D
Neil D'Souza .....sell the wife and make the room bigger ... easy !!
@@janinapalmer8368 Yeah but I don't have a plumper !!!!...
(almost) No one likes Bose in the Audiophile world
@@BijBijTCG That's why I suggested it ..........Ha ha ha ha ha...
Get a smaller wife.
une femme plus petite
@Paul Lazarro This would explain my attraction for petite women. If there’s ever a fire at home I’ll never have to choose between saving my turntable or my wife.
@@TorToroPorco Are petite women an audiophiles dream? This would be Ask Paul's Next Question...
3 things you can do :
You can do all this during WFH (Work From Home)! and make your office pay for it...
You can also keep your book shelf speakers 6 - 10 feet apart (Social Distancing)
You can cover the tweeters with a N95 Covid-19 Mask. (if your tweeter sneezes).
wear headphones then
Headphones sound like the band is inside your head. You get movement left and right but no depth. Speakers sound like the band is behind them and you can pin point each instrument.
Sadly headphones will never sound like a speaker does.
@@Quetzalcoatl0 I donno how close to speakers Abyss 1266 TC is.
@@allansh828 Even if you have those, i don't think it will do magic to make the music sound like it's 4 meters in front of you.Speakers that are 1/10th the price of those headphones will probably have way better sound stage, just because you can't beat physics.
Just Sell all the speakers and buy a Meze Empyrean headphone and a good headphoneamp, problem solved and you don’t have to listen to you wife nagging on about the new dress she bought
There’s no way I wold part with any of my speakers. fact devours ore she leavs them where I put them men don’t have that many pleasers so leave the little pleaser we have alone ore else 😠😠😠😠
Ian Yates I faced the problem , since I used two set of classic Polk audio sda 2 signature series which like an old furniture and a pair of old Martin Logan sequel , these pairs of beasts always become the long and exhausting argue with my spouse ....wish could be as firm as you Ian ...
Bambang Soendaroe just try it you will never know put your foot down but do it like you’re joking see what her reaction is. That way you have a way out 😂😂😂😂🤪
Sly foxxx How does fuck you sound
"Ore else" what?
Sly foxxx hi there I speak in to my I pad so any spelling mistakes are the I pad not me, it still gets it wrong even after correcting it so you can still go fuck your self
Woohoo I’m the first great video Paul thanks for getting me through another day wonder what the 1000th question will be?