Revisiting the First Arc: Book 2 | Wings of Fire Discussion

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @TrickyTalon23
    @TrickyTalon23 Год назад +69

    Starflight was a total champ in this book when he exposed Blister’s hidden motives right as she was about to reveal to Coral that Tsunami killed her husband. That scene was amazing! Starflight may had initially been following Morrowseer’s plan to get the group to support Blister, but I love how the very instant he sees that she’s diabolical, he completely flips off on the NightWings and does what he knows is right. It really shows that his heart has been in the right place from the start.

  • @TrickyTalon23
    @TrickyTalon23 Год назад +47

    I love how Tsunami developed out of her major character flaw of “strike first questions later” in this book, but by the next and all following books she pretty much loses that development trait and goes back to attacking right away instead of thinking or talking things out. I wish she held onto that quality more.

    • @absolutelygoobing
      @absolutelygoobing Год назад +3

      are you NOT in the comment section in any WoF video?

    • @TrickyTalon23
      @TrickyTalon23 Год назад +3

      @@absolutelygoobing do you NOT look through the comment section in any WoF video? *mic drop*

    • @reignoffire377
      @reignoffire377 Год назад +3

      Honestly, if someone remade this entire world, all I ask (and the community) is for the characters to keep their development. That, and fix the characters to be more real.
      Yes, I read the community comments. Sue me

    • @TrickyTalon23
      @TrickyTalon23 Год назад +1

      @@reignoffire377omg that would make me appreciate certain major characters way more

    • @reignoffire377
      @reignoffire377 Год назад +2

      @@TrickyTalon23 I know. I keep track of what people say about Wings of Fire, and apply it to a universe that can use those fixes in it.

  • @serenitythesiren5031
    @serenitythesiren5031 Год назад +23

    I like slice of life books, where we get to explore the world rather than action-based plots; don't get me wrong, it can be boring when there is no action for like sixteen chapters, but I really like these types of books, such as The Lost Heir, Moon Rising, and The Lost Continent.

  • @avacornthelastponybender8583
    @avacornthelastponybender8583 Год назад +13

    This was the book that made me a full on Fan-Wing
    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the first book...but something about The Lost Heir hooked me in more than The Dragonet Prophecy did

  • @GnarledStaff
    @GnarledStaff 5 месяцев назад +3

    I’m rereading this now and my favorite part is where Tsunami acts like a dramatic princess at the breakfast table.
    It shows her learning to adapt to the political intrigue in a clever but hilarious way, shows Coral’s character, and also theres a line where Coral gives Tsunami an approving glance which I took to mean that Coral saw what she was doing and respected her for it. That makes it the moment Tsunami becomes part of the Seawing royalty in more than name.

  • @slinkkangaroo2305
    @slinkkangaroo2305 Год назад +13

    I don't blame anyone for seeing this book as below average but so far, no book in the series has ever been able to top it as my favorite. In the epilogue of the first book, we know that Blister and Morrowseer are working together and Morrowseer told Starflight to convince the dragonets to join Blister. The characters (Minus Starflight) may not know this, but the reader knows that Blister awaits the dragonets so for me, that threat loomed over the entire book. I honestly love Riptide and yeah, he didn't have to be a romantic interest but I don't really see that taking anything from the story but arc I relationships aren't the strongest lol. I really love the contrast of how in the first book you see what the lowest form of living in a kingdom is (A prisoner of war) and this one shows us what the highest ranking members of a kingdom live like. For me, Tsunami steals the show. She starts the book being pretty frustrated that the others aren't listening to her (And lets be real, Starflight was acting way out of character) but she also shows how her impulses get the better of her. For me, her final moment of character growth is when she listens to why she should or shouldn't jump over the eels. Each dragonet gives their own reasons and in the end, they reach a tie so Tsunami has to choose for herself but now with more knowledge then she had before. Gill's death may have seem overlooked but you have to think about how Tsunami probably wants to keep the rest of her family safe (Like Anemone and the egg) so when she fights the statue, she's fighting to keep someone else safe. This book is more world building but I think that works. I like how after this book, Tsunami remains mostly in charge of the group but she doesn't order them around nearly as much. I do wish that Tsunami killing Gill was brought up in the future in some way. Maybe Moon could have figured it out or something. This was a good review ^^ It doesn't seem like a strong entry but Tsunami slowly realizing that she would prefer being with the dragonets as her family after being a fish out of water in the palace life is such an interesting arc. Something I was was changed is...what if Riptide wasn't found out as a talons of peace member and Tsunami is simply trying to save Webs? Not because she cares for him like that, but because she wants Riptide, the only Seawing that treats her like a dragon, to actually get to know his father in a way that Tsunami never could? (Then we could have a scene with Riptide telling her he was actually part of the talons and her getting very frustrated before going to protect the egg)

  • @thegamecritic5305
    @thegamecritic5305 Год назад +6

    When I first got into this series, I skipped the second novelization of this book. I was given the first two books on Christmas one year... Although the second book was a graphic novel. Now that I have seen this, I think I may now go back and buy this. Sure there are some things that I find filler in this story, but now that I know there are Arc 2 characters, I think I'm gonna go back and read this.

  • @GnarledStaff
    @GnarledStaff 5 месяцев назад +4

    My thoughts:
    I have to disagree with you about part 1. The internal conflict and Tsunami’s bias and conflicting goals really make it fun to read.
    I did not find her unlikeable. Sure, she was abrasive and a bit arrogant, but those traits felt layered over deep trauma and insecurity.
    Her position as the leader was being threatened, which was putting the whole group in danger. Her reactions had the perfect mix fierce and brash desire to prove herself that she embodied and reasonable action that objectively aided the group.
    Her big conflict was finding that balance between getting what she wanted and considering the group’s feelings. With a bit of taking the edge of her desire to prove herself that drove her to take more brutal actions- like killing that seawing in book 1. She absolutely did that to prove herself in response to Scarlet mocking her.
    Tui wrote some really detailed layers to these first few characters- I honestly suspect she simplified them in later arcs because the target audience was not picking up on some of these nuances.
    For example, Tsunami does not actually think of Clay as just the big dumb one. You get a bit of that from her thoughts but its part of her rationalizations. When they get into combat the two of them work together in such a way that only two people who really know each other and trust each other can pull off.
    Those rationalizations are part of her trying to justify her leadership position. The PoV is pretty deep. You could argue it explores the nature of monarchy and the right of rule.
    Heck, Tsumani’s first thought on meeting her little sister was an instinctive reaction of mishearing her name as “an enemy” and then immediately considering killing her to clear the line to the throne.
    There is such a fascinating depth to Tsunami’s PoV. And since the reader has only met Scarlet and Burn as potential rulers so far, seeing Tsunami’s mother makes the reader instinctively think about Tsunami as a ruler. Would centuries of rule make her turn out more like Scarlet? Is she qualified to rule? Would the kingdom be better off with her? Is it worth murdering her mother for the throne if they are? All these questions are brought up in varying degrees of subtlety and you really have the opportunity to think.
    There is some implicit judgement on monarchy here. Coral is absolutely not a great leader, is intentionally being compared to Scarlet. Its setting the tone/theme that the people in power are not really that great. It ensured the DoD do not feel like they have a safe place bit is also an interesting point about leaders and rulers.
    Theres a certain level of ruthlessness that you need to be a good ruler than can be at odds with being a good person or even good parent and I like that Tui acknowledges this here because it makes the series feel a lot more mature… until later books lose some of this aspect. Realpolitik man, good times.
    The politics was interesting to me. Lots of subtle things going on and with only 2 books so far there is no way to rule any of the possibilities out. Whirlpool being a monster was absolutely not out of left field. Both sisters explicitly acknowledged this and even had a conversation about it. With even a basic understanding of political manuevering it is very obvious he is positioning himself for something, and the question was only how bad his true goal was.
    I do agree that the ending felt a little rushed but disagree on the details. The bombing reminds the reader that there is a war going on, and that the main characters arent really that important in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, they could be important, but right now there are dozens of dragons dying every day and no one feels safe. This also gives them more motivation to stop the war. Its a clear grounding moment that pulls us back into the main story.
    Also, Tsunami killing her dad is what gets them all thrown into prison near the end and forces them to flee. Blister mentions it at the end of the chapter and the next chapter starts with them being thrown in prison.
    (Edit: just reread that part. Its played more like Blister manipulating Coral and Coral being indecisive rather than Coral figuring out that its important. Gill’s death does play into Tsunami’s character arc in that she begins questioning her initial urge to just solve everything with violence because of it. It also plays into why Coral cannot just protect the eggs herself. )
    Granted, I read this as an adult and come from a background of fantasy like Wheel of Time so I tend to see these things a bit more than the intended audience maybe does.

  • @tjtheentertainer9376
    @tjtheentertainer9376 Год назад +7

    I remembered when I read this book for the first time, my friends told me to skip to the epilogue after the Tsunami’s fight with the statue. I later read what I was to skip over, and I could see why

  • @ZESTUDIOS-fw7lz
    @ZESTUDIOS-fw7lz 6 месяцев назад +1

    Starflight honestly clutched in this book, Blister was about to reveal that Gill was killed by Tsunami, and Starflight just pulled out that Uno reverse card, I swear.

  • @mollymccall1402
    @mollymccall1402 Год назад +2

    Couldn't agree more with your review, I'd like to like Tsunami but I just can't with how she isn't consistent after this book

  • @fortniteboi1404
    @fortniteboi1404 Год назад +7

    This was a great book

  • @lk_3099
    @lk_3099 Год назад +6

    For the longest time I couldn't properly say why book 2 was my least favorite arc 1 book.
    It feels like too much exposition and a mini vacation rather than an ongoing story to stop the war.
    And maybe this is rushing a bit, but with how much page time could've been saved in books 2 and 3, the False Dragonets could've been so much more than just whiny brats. Like they don't even meet the actual dragonets of destiny besides Starflight (within this arc), no place to form rivalries or conflict between them. At least Glory vs Flame would've been something.

  • @Blackcat_woa
    @Blackcat_woa Год назад +3

    I’m reading that book lol

  • @paytonaskew1230
    @paytonaskew1230 Год назад +1

    HA! this is how i feel about Dragon With the Chocolate Heart!

    • @berengerdietiker22
      @berengerdietiker22 Год назад

      Well, I've read The Dragon with a Chocolate Heart three times.

  • @wingsofkinkajou
    @wingsofkinkajou Год назад +1

    I love how Charcoal hates Coral but loves Scarlet! Scarlet is so manipulative and abusive! But I still get their point.

    • @CharcoalsDen
      @CharcoalsDen  Год назад +5

      The difference is that Scarlet is a fun character when she’s around and she gets her comeuppance in the end, unlike Coral

    • @wingsofkinkajou
      @wingsofkinkajou Год назад +1

      @@CharcoalsDen Yeah, coral was kinda boring, which is why i didn't like The Lost Heir heaps (Also thank you for the highlight!)

    • @GnarledStaff
      @GnarledStaff 5 месяцев назад

      Coral is subtle dangerous, like a riptide under a calm surface. If you are smart, you could avoid the danger she brings, as long as you are not directly opposed to her goals.
      Scarlet is a violent tornado. She arrives dramatically, chews the scenery, and kills anything even remotely in her way.
      With Scarlet, if she doesnt like you, or you do not fit into her plans, you die. She makes a great villain.
      But Coral is not a villain. She is a threat and an obstacle and even an antagonist at times, but she does not become a full villain. She is a haughty aristocrat who believes herself to be better than the common folk, a spoiled and inconsiderate ruler with a touch of ruthlessness held back by a thin veneer of manners.

  • @thelittlepoppy8970
    @thelittlepoppy8970 Год назад +4

    The prologue in the graphic novel sucks with the first book it was okay and still plot relevant but the lost heir graphic novel one is useless and uninteresting

  • @trainman666
    @trainman666 Год назад +12

    My roommate refers to Whirlpool as a "Moss-covered Algae-sucking Backstabber of a Lizard with no sense of honor."
    I do have to agree with a lot of the points you brought up, however it does kind of bug me that as soon as there's a character of the opposite sex introduced everyone's mind instantly goes to "romantic relationship/love interest." In this case Tsunami didn't really know what she was doing or saying, so it was just more humorous than anything.