Boeing's New 797 Will Be Built In Washington
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Quite recently, Boeing reached a massive new tentative agreement affecting over 33,000 of its employees. In its statement on the deal, Boeing revealed it plans to build its next airliner in Washington. While no further details on this new aircraft were disclosed, many in the industry had been anticipating that Boeing would develop its New Midsize Airplane (NMA) - something sized between its 737 MAX 10, and 787-8 Dreamliner. Thinking logically, the designation for a new commercial aircraft is expected to be 797. Let’s look at the details of the new agreement for today’s video…
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UPDATE/CLARIFICATION: This video was produced when a tentative agreement between Boeing and the union had been reached. However, the most recent development is that workers have voted to reject that agreement, instead voting to strike.
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That's going to help. Why doesn't everyone just resign instead?
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Why don't the Boeing management resign when MAX crashes instead?
This feels tactical, not organic. Like someone engaged in the tentative agreement just to pull the rug out.
To be clear, I am not blaming one side or the other. I actually would like to see a channel bring in more information and maybe a 3rd party who can help navigate the hearsay.
Everyone is very likely to just point at management and say they are evil, but I have seen workers be so toxic they “fling their wooden shoes into the machines” Maybe even both.
…Meanwhile at the Railroad Industry: Hahahahaha you called us Obsolete!
@@nntflow7058 Better still, why didn't the FAA, FBI and DOJ bring felony charges, along with stiff prison sentences, against the Boeing executives who lied to the FAA, in an attempt to cover up the inherent design flaws in the 737-800 Max, which resulted in the deaths of 348 passengers?
So they’ll make a 797? Amazing! The circle is now complete (707-797)
The real question is 797 is going to be the last airplane Boeing builds🤣?
@@dtsh4451 They've been working on the 777x for 13 years, will the current employees live long enough to see this fly?
7107 when
Wait what's gonna happen after 797, 807 or 7107 or will they just make a 707 2.0
@@TonySwindells
Supersonics: B27X7
STOL Regional airliner: B72X
Boeing did not announce a new aircraft. They said that IF they announced a new aircraft withing the four year time frame of the proposed 4 year contract THEN said aircraft would be built in Washington. Right now Boeing has dug itself such a giant hole it will not be in a position to build a new aircraft for at least 10 years. This video is extremely deceptive.
Deceptive would imply deliberately trying to mislead.
I don't think they're trying to "deceive", but I do think this video was sloppily put together.
@@Locutus regardless of intent you are still deceiving others by spreading falsities.
@tonybologna7773 Tell me something: Is a lie the same thing as a mistake?
@@tonybologna7773 Tell me something else. If I made up a funny story that happened to me, and told that story as a joke, would I be lying? Or is it a different kind of lie? Or a joke is different from a lie?
Expecting this new plane to arrive 15 years from now 🙄
minimum.
That is they are lucky
Boeing need to have it flying Before 2036, and really more realistically before 2034.
@@matsv201why?…it makes most sense to incorporate new engine technology into the new build.
Like the RISE Engine, which may enter service in the mid 30’s.
A new fuselage with old engine technology would be a waste of resources, if the new engine will be available a few years later.
Well it takes time
Unless, it simply means Boeing redeploying its manufacturing of existing airframes BACK to Washington but is framed in ambiguous terms for marketing purposes only.
How can “next new airplane” be taken to mean anything other than their 797? That clearly is what they were saying in the quote
I hope the 797 will be a narrowbody to maximize fuel efficiency and versatility in airports worldwide, also replacing the Air Force 2 C-32.
If Boeing ever gets their head back together they should just make a new 757 version. The 757 is exactly what they want now, just with upgraded tech, and better engines . Save the last 7 name for something interesting
You literally posted a video stating boeing wont make a new model till 2030. The contract was a sellout by John holden union leader.
When did yall think the next clean sheet design was coming? For both Airbus AND Boeing, it has always been mid to late 2030s.
O I want to cross the picket lines for 20 bucks an hour
It won’t be ready until the mid 2030s which means they have to launch the program pretty much by 2028
@@vagasint.4345 and by then the current contract will be over and they'll bull a 180 on us
Make new 757 and 767 "MAX" versions with a wider fuselage on the 757 for 18.5in wide economy seats and more cargo space, composite materials for fuselage and wings, more efficient engines, etc.
757s have been out of production for 2 decades now. The people who worked on them are retired, retiring or not with Boeing.
The supply chain for the 757 needs to be reactivated. That will take years for it to happen.
And even if the staff and supply chain were there, would the FAA even allow the 757 to enter service again as is? Or would it require Boeing to bring the aircraft up to modern safety standards?
The 767 is dead as a passenger aircraft, it's relegated to cargo duties. It might be able to fill a niche in the MMA, but it's not cost effective to buy a 767 when you have more versatile aircraft.
Again, any new versions of the 767 might have to meet modern safety standards.
Unless it’s a twin aisle aircraft, the Airbus 321 XLR has already filled the MMA market.
The XLR is filling a niche. It's not a true MMA competitor.
There is more market demand than Airbus can fill right now, and the future will see only more. Boeing will need to introduce a new airplane in that market segment.
The contract states it will be built here in washington only if it's built in the next four years
Boeing moved the 787 production line to South Carolina in retaliation to the Everett Union. That's when all problems started. The new CEO is taking the company back in the right direction. I'm an Airbus fan, but I wish Boeing full recovery from the current mess.
Would it suprise people if Boeing rolled out a long range turboprop running on SAF, called 797?
Will there be a *BOEING 7107?* Or will it be a *Boeing 808?*
@@NickyMitchell85 The leading 7 is an internal product code at Boeing. They already allocated 8xx and the like to other lines of product. It doesn't rule out overhaul though.
It will be B-807
Just move the damn company headquarters back to Seattle and get this company back on track!
In the long run, they should. However, moving the company back to Washington would be too disruptive to Boeing.
Now, should Boeing move some if its board members and senior managers to Washington? Yes.
I want to cross the picket lines for a 20 bucks an hour
I made any legal alien from the state of Georgia
I am an illegal alien from the state of Georgia
They should design two aircraft at once, like the 757-767, new modern cockpit and common type rating
I would say the most likely and reasonable option that they just take a 787 and scale it to 65% and make the 797 in all other regards apart from scale identical to the 787.
While the 787 have not been with out trouble, compare to the max and 777x, it have been a breeze.
@@matsv201 every major airliner has problems in the beginning, it's just government regulations demand a perfect design ATM, it's actually crippling stagnation.
They won't announce a new plane during the life of the contract. This is misleading. I work for Boeing I should know.
I just hope boeing can fix all of its serious issues since i really like their planes but i would rather fly on a new airbus now given all thier problems.
@@scottbrick9918 I like competition. Duopoly is not good, but it's better than monopoly.
LOL, Imagine the quality of those planes!! IT WILL BE MADE IN WASHINGTON 🤣😂
Airbus has like 3 final assembly lines.so you dont have to make in toulouse for a good quality plane.and you dont have to make in seattle to make good quality.boeing is safer than cars at least.there has been no boeing crash caused by boeing since the MAX crashes
The new CEO has got it right again. Excellent decision.
It wasn’t an agreement. It was just a proposal and they voted it down.
I don't get it. 787-8 is already a small wide-body. And it has very few orders. What should be the mayor difference with this new aircraft?
A single aisle mode would be too similar to the max 10, hopefully it’ll be a twin
That's the point. A composite airframe with revised systems architecture and marginally more efficient engines will add up to a significant improvement for customers.
If it Boeing, I aint going!
We’re gonna have a Boeing 797 before gta6 💀😭
There's a joke; BA cannot launch a new jet anytime soon. $58 billion in consolidated debt, $43 billion in net debt. 2024 is a cash burn year. They have no money
It doesn't look good short-term but falling rates and creative restructuring should help. Will that require the company to give up some equity to lenders? Too early to say.
Nothing that we didn't know already.
I don't trust that they have the capacity to develop an airplane. Last plane they created from scratch is 777, ages ago, everyone retired. Not counting 787, it was a crazy subcontracting job with unsurpassed cost overruns.
Very Elegant Airliner design with small over wing exit doors.
Seriously, I used to defend Boeing but having researched more in depth about the Max and B787 programs, Boeing's execs belong in jail and FAA officials belong right there with them.Unfortunately, I hate monopolies so I don't necessarily want the company to fail. But the company needs a rebirth.
It will take Boeing generations to be competitive against Airbus, if it ever is at all😊
Ok
They’re still pretty competitive in the widebody space. Their 787s have outsold the A350 and the 777X is still collecting orders even with all the delays and issues. Not to mention, Boeing completely dominates the air cargo market with the 777Fs and I don’t foresee the A350F taking over an industry dominated by 767Fs, 777Fs and 747Fs.
Yeah. In my trip to Europe Boeing was out of the question.
Airbus is dominant in the single-aisle segment, while Boeing runs the show in twin-aisles and freighters. With computer aided design and manufacturing it won't take "generations" for Boeing to regain its footing. The biggest hurdle is the current balance sheet.
It's not where it's built, it's Whose doing it.
Hopefully the 797 is a good replacement for the already outdated 737
I still think that there is no need for a new NMA.
They need to replace the 757
@@bigvaxmeanie925and the 737 MAX, but I was thinking Boeing could do a 797 lite version to do that
I'd want to see this commitment in writing. I don't trust Boeing at all.
Yes! There is no guarantee they will build the next plane here, just words.
Boeing crashes less than cars. over 13000 boeing planes land safely at their destinations everyday?
Didn't Boeing say that they would keep the 787 here too?
Now where exactly is it built now?🤔
Now if Boeing can have an impact on the government of the State of Washington so it doesn't bankrupt the company, this could be a very good thing.
Russia must quickly pushed its MC21 as it is a good NMA aircraft with bigger a bigger cabin. Russia should design a long range version for MC21 for longer haul like A321 XLT
The chances of Russia (and China) having their single-aisles certified for Europe and North America is very slim in the near future.
Airbus is like.....*A390*
Let's hope the quality control and management issues get solved before they launch this aircraft.. The last thing it needs is a terrible launch without quality control issues especially after you know... _______________ EVERYTHING!
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Piss on the Union
Most likely going to be called the 797 💀 what else are they going to call it there out of numbers
They have not felt bound by such promises in the past. Sounds like BS.
It’s happening
The most importat question… the new airplane would be 70’s & 80’s era safe/ safer and reliable :) ?!?
as we all know, most designs from the 70s and 80s are safer than the ones that Boeing builds today
@@frutdafruit Actually not true. Boeing's safety record in the last 20 years is much better than in the 70s and 80s. Fact.
70s, 80s, not 70's, 80's.
Seventies and eighties, not seventie's or eightie's. 🙂
@@Locutus …thx bro :))
@@nouatreiunu No worries.
i guess it wouldnt be surprising that they would make a a new plane in washington, i mean most of their planes are built in everett
What about coming out with a new 747 variant, reinstating the Plan of an old A380 rival, the Boeing 747 and bring the 747 back in Production by 2040
Better to make a new 737
Boeing can’t even get the 7779x and 737 max 7 straight m…how will they manage this task???
Probably a redesigned 757
It will be ready by year 2050
TA was rejected by union membership anyways, but the 797 probably wouldn’t be produced in the lifetime of that contract
As it should be
Boeing continues to exceed our expectations for all of the wrong reasons. I mean just look at the strike, clearly this isn't a good idea.
96% of the Boeing IAM employees think a strike is a good idea. Systemic corporate greed, at the expense of workers, is losing this battle. Boeing is reaping what it sowed.
Seriously? Boeing will not keep the promise and will build another factory In Alabama or Mississippi soon.
This segment's premature. At this time, the ink did not make it to the paper.
By the time this appears, Airbus will have moved on. Boeing are now ten years behind in development thanks to the bean counters.
Now you’ve offended the knowledgeable MBAs that add credentials by their names.
Bean counters should only focus on the finances not the entire operations.
@@Aqua_M4 Bean counters shouldn't exist, or should have their roles drastically altered. MBAs have NEVER EVER made a single positive contribution to society. Ever. At best. At worst, they are root cause of the problems.
Coming to you in early 2034
Give or take 17 years or so.... If they're still in business.
Not any time soon 😅😅
Now what b807?? B7007?
The Airbus A360 will be built in Tolouse
Or hamburg,or some other production line.
Another 30 years before you see this flying on passengers jets
Carolina production has been a disaster for Boeing. Haven't saved a penny.
This promise they are giving, is only in the case that it is announced within this 4 year contract, if they decide to announce it a month later, they can legally build it wherever they want. What am empty promise.
Yea not happening. Sorry to disappoint. Says executives.
Won't work unless the workers have to go back..one way or another....
Will it crash like the max or just being grounded like the dreamliner?
Neither! It will just get cancelled once again.
we will have the surprise ! ^^
@@philippebarillecavalier9275 They neeed to make this plane. OTher vice they will go bust
@@matsv201 Yep, people don't understand just how crucial this design will be for Boeing. There's no way they can't choose to do a new design...and there's no way they can have it fail. Not for their employees and certainly not for their customers.
They are under the water with the 777x and the 737. Are they going star a new project? Seriously? Go live date between 2035 and 2055? 😅
Move production to Springfield, Ohio and give the jobs to pet eating flying coffin experts.
If benefits both side interest,in politics and business...and other access that should consider...
A bit premature, don’t you think? LMAO.
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Haha wait another 10 to 15 years like corporate spoke apon.
Just a far-fetched scheme given the fettered status quo of Boeing.
If the 797 is designed to fill up a gap (??) between the MAX 10 and the 787-8, it's a waste of money in my opinion.
MAX10 is a temporary solution..
It says 797, not NMA. This 797 will definitely replace 737. Kind of Boeing's A320/321/322.
Its a huge market for a plane like that. It would be perfect for Lithuania, my country. Covers USeast coast, all China, Thailand, Tokyo
No such plane ? Boeing workers now on strike maybe they should fix problems they already have.
10 years too late
So a 757 replacement. Shame all the employees have all voted to go on strike.
Seems to be a Boeing thing that they go out of their way to not build planes.
The employees saw through the ploy, and decided to go on strike anyway.
These workers have done enough of a lousy job to nearly sink the airline, They've now walked out to rub salt in Boeing's wounds.
Employees deserve better pay and a retirement plan to look forward to, but the timing couldn't be worse, and proof of how little these people care about the planemaker.
Perhaps if Boeing treated them better they will treat the company better. Time will tell.
Is there any good timing from now on?
@@user-yt198 The sooner Boeing pays, the better.
It's management having workers from 4 different subcontractors building planes at a break-neck pace, to save money for bloated executive salaries.
Union workers have to fix every 787 built by non-union workers in SC before the plane can be delivered to the customer.
Ironically a strike for a few months is in favor of Boeing.
I thought that you are a Boeing fan, but you are not following Boeing news enough.
I give 80% chance that you will completely delete this comment. That is what you always do when you are wrong, which is almost always the case 😉
@@user-yt198The strike costs Boeing $108 million a day. No, it's not to their benefit at all.
797 = 787 in costume with new technology, nothing new. Why would airlines buy the 797 when A321XLR have the same range, lower price, weight and fuel consumption when 787 cost less than 797? Which airline want to be suicidal to buy newer and expensive airplane when you have cheaper alternative and does it better?
How do you know what 797 will be? Mind you, it is not NMA, it is 797 just because it is the next free type number.
Build the NMA in Texas and forget the fascists Boeing workers...
Look at your governor and AG for the definition of fascism.
Texas can't keep their power grid from collapsing, how you going to build jets?
The main reason for building it in WASHINGTON is workers from other states are NOT FIT and LACK OF KNOWLEDGE enough to build an airplane. Most of the workers from other states don't even know how to build a burger less an airplane. That is why the problem in SOuth Carolina persist when we lost a mass amount of people with 10 plus year knowledge leaving for the AIRLINES. AIRLINES TOP WAGES OF $75-80 an hour within 5 year. Boeing employees can't even top out $35/hr in 5 years. And don't talk about benefits. Strike at Washington is caused by boeing paying people PEANUTS.
Lol. Yeah washington has a monopoly on building planes. Thats why they have a stellar reputation. Keep it up! Not really tho.
And where will the 1st one crash/malfunction?🤔
the 777 had a 18 year fatality free record.the a320 had a 1 year fatality record.so it can be a long or short time.(the a320 crashed partly because of airbus automation problems,which is why i like boeings better)
If we want to be fair, the 737max will be the last 737. So they have to make a new clean sheet aircraft.
737max is already 10 years old. Its half of it expected production life. A 797 need to be presented with in a year. Really less than that realistically.
The new aircraft need to be modern. So my guess would be pretty much a scaled down 787. Basically put it in the photo copier at scale 60% and you got a 797.
This might actually be easier to certify with less legacy technology to re-certify
So many words…so much bs.
1. You talk about “clean sheet” then about “scaled down”, you don’t see the contradiction?
2. Why would 20 years be the expected production time? Couldn’t you make it even more arbitrary?
3. “This might actually be cheaper”, than a “clean sheet design” that you referred to as an absolute necessity?
The 777X is an example why a redesign isn’t necessarily cheap(er)
Most likely been the plan for a while, but not until the 787 platform would be mature and any issues sorted out.
Boeing will being better not developing this 797 becouse Boeing is not longer gets Airliner trusts. Boeing never on China operators interests anymore, comax and Airbus is only 2 name china will buy and many country olso choosing airbus then boeing.
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