Lucy Letby trial: Reaction to killer nurse's whole life order | The Trial of Lucy Letby | Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2023
- Lucy Letby trial: Reaction to killer nurse's whole life order | The Trial of Lucy Letby | Podcast
- Episode 53 -
In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you details of what happened in court when Lucy Letby was handed a whole life order.
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They should charge the hospital bosses too who covered for her, threatened the consultant doctors who suspected and made reports about her, and even made these consultant doctors draft an apology letter to her as well as apologize to her face.
One person has been suspended
Nobody covered for her, there was simply a failure of appropriate action when some people has suspicions.
There's a very big difference.
The apology letter situation… just unbelievable!!!!! How SICK!!!
Suspension isn't enough. They need to never be allowed near a hospital again and need to serve some jail time. If you get a report that a nurse stood over a baby who was coding without intervening, you have blood on your hands. I know you're not saying suspension is enough, you may just be informing us, but they need to be behind bars
@@scarlettkhan9667
@@jukeboxtimebomberI do agree, to some extent. However, there were two internal enquiries and only then were the Police involved. One did meet her for coffee after she'd been suspended. I don't think that person was one of the original three she was told she could have contact with
Perfect sentence, for a Monster!! Watching from the USA, and am a retired nurse of greater that 25 years. R.I.P you darling babies, and my prayers always to their families.
shouldnt she get the death penalty?
She shouldn’t have the choice not to go to court for her sentencing. Absolutely ridiculous. So unfair for the victims. 🙏
@@albertandearthie7138No such a thing in the UK.
Wow yeah your serial killers are great arent they
@@bencooper6702please can you explain to me what your comments mean?
These testimonials from parents are truly heartbreaking and horrific. Be strong, don't let this evil woman win. ❤❤❤❤
Utterly heart breaking to hear what those poor babies and families went through. My heart aches for them. 💔
Why was there no investigation after the first baby died ?...and then the second, third and so on. How the superiors in this hospital let these deaths go by without an explanation is beyond acceptable . The management must share the blame for this . 7 babies do not just die. There is a reason . This monster should have been caught much earlier.
Sadly its not unusual for sick premature babies to die. Letby knew how to disguise it as a normal death even so it was only when statistics showed that deaths were more frequent than usual that anyone would be aware of the possibility of the problem. Doctors had become suspicious but nobody listened to them and its so bizarre and rare that they must have doubted themselves too. She was nice, sweet, ordinary and an excellent nurse.
@@outsidersongs2682It is unusual, they only lost 2 or 3 per year on average, out of hundreds if babies.
I don't think an investigation is necessary when a baby dies, but an autopsy should be made to see the cause of death. I donno if air in the bloodstream proves it was an attempt of murder/harm.
But I think after 2 or 3 deaths she should have been removed from the unit.
Of the seven babies she was charged with murdering - post mortems showed 6 were natural causes!
When the Doctors indicated Letby. Their suspicion needed seeding. Thus a Doctor could interfere with a baby BEFORE Letby's shift AND when she was taken off that work, then they could cease their practice.
The Doctors had the Motive and to me its an easy guess of whom might have done something
As a retired nurse, I can't even begin to understand what would possess a nurse to do this. I had a difficult time when any of my patients passed away despite our best efforts
I don’t think a normal healthy mind can understand that of a murderous sociopath. It is incomprehensible to us who feel as normal human beings do
We live in godless times with people with no morals or empathy that's how
@@Chipoo88 err... She's a psychopath, not a sociopath.
@@twobrokeguyz1214She's neither a psychopath nor a sociopath. She has no mental illnesses.
@@hasan1980hbour current times are no worse and no better than history
I am an NHS nurse and to say this is uncomprehensible is a total understatement!.The monster that did this will still be "living" albeit locked up but to me its not enough! I hope she gets her just desserts from the inmates!!
The deaths were not considerd suspicious in themselves to begin with. Then they created a case around Lucy's presence with theories. . Faulty scientific information was presented as fact. Medical 'experts' gave testimony outside their field of expertise. Then other 'experts' (also giving testimony outside their field of expertise) were then asked to make further 'independent' assessments, and just magically came to the SAME conclusions as the first 'expert' did WITHOUT ANY PROOF. These non experts came to the police investigation via one source: The National Crime Agency. There is a reason people believe this is a very concerning case.
She will!
Karma is real 💀💀💀
It really is, it breaks the trust of new parents who may now be unsure of the nurse caring for their babies if they decline in health and most nurses don't deserve that. I feel sorry for the nurses that worked beside her and have to have their name said in the same sentence as Letby. Her life will be a living hell, every individual she comes into contact with in prison will depise her for the Monster she is, can you imagine that existence? Let alone the constant threat to her safety.
What a horrible woman. What difference does it make if she cries or not. The tears are for herself.
Horrible woman? No she is inhuman monster. People from different backgrounds have been called worst for less on this channel. The amount of tiptoeing around this woman reeks of "fragility" of the pale kind. Always a lesser outrage when it's someone like her and a need to find a reason under the guise of her mental health. Protected by management also. The same happened when Shipman got discovered.
Hmmm ‘horrible’ doesn’t adequately describe this pathetic & reprehensible excuse for a human being…….
Pure evil!
Karma is on its way Lucy 💀💀💀
@@sylviasormus7393 I can't describe her the exact way I want to describe Lucy Letby without RUclips suspending my account. I am holding my words but we definitely know what this despicable POS is.
Baby C’s mums victim impact statement is the most harrowing and powerful writing I think I have ever heard. That will stay with me forever. Rest in eternal peace to all these beautiful little angles 🩷🩵
The devil should have been dragged out of her sorry jail cell to face the families and judge. Please change the law NOW!
At the very least she should have had video in the cell so that she could not completely avoid it.
She’d just close her eyes!
@@dranyamjust6303 It's not for her
Exactly! How was she allowed to not attend her sentencing. How absolutely awful to the parents, I would have wanted to drag her out myself.
Yes! Stream it into their cells! They have to listen to what they have done to the countless families and the suffering they caused. That would only be fair!
What a great idea
Not really cos they can just put their fingers in their ears 🤔
@@dranyamjust6303 turn the volume up! To the max 😂
Details of all deaths and unexpected, unexplained or suspicious occurrences throughout the medical profession should be recorded in a national database, along with the names of those on duty at the time. A relatively simple computer algorithm would identify the kind of pattern we see in this case (whereby Letby was present for every single death/incident ) likely much sooner than the suspicions of co-workers were aroused and/or acted upon. This system would also flag up death/incident rates that were significantly higher than the norm, and have the added benefit of effectively tracking medical workers across different medical establishments. As soon as pre-determined threshold is reached, this should trigger an immediate, independent investigation. This method would reduce the dependency on co-workers to notice and subsequently air their suspicions, and take the decision to investigate out of the hands of executives. It should be a legal obligation to supply all this information. Had such a system been in place years ago, Harold Shipman's crimes would have been discovered much, much earlier.
That WAS being tracked and she was being reported for suspicion by numerous consultant doctors....and it was the hospital bosses that threatened the doctors with action if they didnt stop reporting her. They even made the doctors apologize to Lucy. This was well-documented
@@basicallyno1722 You're missing the point of my post. There is no NATIONAL database to which it is mandatory to submit details of such deaths and unexpected, unexplained or suspicious occurrences, along with staffing rotas. Had there been, and the algorithm in place, then it would have automatically been flagged for investigation - rather than leaving that decision in the hands of those executives. If all medical facilities and operations were obligated by law to submit such information to the database, then it would also 'track' people by name, wherever they worked, even when moving from one medical facility to another, and link them to such occurrences, thus making detection more likely, more timely and ultimately not at risk of being dismissed/ignored. In other words, it takes those executives out of the equation to a large degree.
You're 100% right. In Australia recently we found out all kinds of known criminals are practising medicine. I think many doctors and nurses are wonderful people but the INSTITUTION of medicine is corrupt
Brilliant Judge, fair play to him🙏🙏
It’s great that Letby got a whole life order - great work by the judge in his scrupulously fair work that is pretty much appeal - proof.
The murder of a child should ALWAYS result in a whole life sentence. End of. I’m sick of this differentiation of exceptional seriousness - every time a defenceless child is murdered by an adult, we should be locking them up and throwing away the key.
I'm in total agreement. The after effects of one evil person will live on well beyond her death.
Yeah but that will never happen because of all the pedos, as high up as the royal family now ! What chance do we have
She should have been dragged to court to face the parents
The trouble with psychos like her are that the passionate words of the suffering families have no impact. Had Lucy Letby been in that room, she would not have cared. Parents saying things like, "You thought you could enter our lives and do this and that to us....Well, we won't think of you anymore" don't understand how cold and impersonal these murders were to this psycho. The babies were some twisted means to an end that only Lucy will know. She's beyond saving. Put her under the prison!
Psychopaths hate to feel shame. Probably why she never confessed and didn’t attend her sentencing
exactly, if she cared or had a conscience, she wouldn't have killed them.
@@phillipaclemons7261true!!!
She didn't show up because she has a fragile ego. She knows what she did was wrong and by her own admission in her journal that she is evil. She is just a coward who doesn't want to face her consequences and maybe even in denial. A true psychopathic narcissists! Two of the worst personality disorders wrapped into one sick and evil monster.
I read the New Yorker article and have now been listening to your podcast for a more well rounded understanding of the case. This is the most impactful episode. I just want to pass my condolences to the parents and other family members of the babies affected by these horrific crimes.
Gosh that was so hard listening to the parents give their statements 🙏😔
Lucy darlin’ I’d just love to invite you to visit the great state of Texas where we have a special throne called “ Sparky “ just for Queens like you 😉
The defendants should be made to appear for the sentencing.
She will be in solitary confinement, the other women in prison will want her dead
The victim statements were heartbreaking to listen to. I hope everyone finds peace except the killer who I hope lives a long and tortured existence 💔
She'll probably be quite happy in jail. It looks quite nice
I truly can't say what is "justice". The families will forever live with this horror. The precious babies had a chance to live even if premature. Lucy Leybt "took" their lives instead of protecting them. They were thriving until Lucy Letby decided their fate.
Who had the Motive? Letby or Doctors? Doctors needed to get back at Letby!
How could it be done? Easy for a doctor to do something BEFORE LETBY'S SHIFT STARTED. IT WORKED - WHO WOULD SUSPECT A DOCTOR?
WIN WIN!
I feel like the scariest part is how normal she seemed, i was listening to a podcast about the horrifying things she did and a sentence i remmember is after one of her collegues were told she was suspected he replied "really? Nice lucy?" its just terrible, my thoughts go out to anyone involved in her disgusting "hobby".
I think they found her friendly or attractive. But didnt know she was a monster.
@@scarlettkhan9667True. She is sexy. And maybe she was framed.
@@scarlettkhan9667 yeah, that’s what scares me, it makes you wonder who else is out there
Various doctors and consultants had their concern about this individual. What I haven’t heard yet is what about her fellow colleagues who were nurses did not any of them. Suspect anything or did they cover for her because they couldn’t believe she would be capable of doing these evil deeds even though they were still suspicious of her behaviour?
I think the hospital management is complicit. It's weird that they didn't have any CCTVs and also ignored complaints about her.
@@cube5750 this happens to be one of my local hospitals where I am actually had an operation. However, I do believe the inquiry will achieve nothing. There’s lots of things that have happened that will never come out. Apparently if the consultant had been listened to quite possibly 5 lives could have been saved which is a tragedy within its self..
@@cube5750 I don't think you can have cctv in many of the areas of a hospital due to HIPPA and privacy laws
MULTIPLE consultant doctors made complaints about her as they suspected her. The hospital bosses slapped them ALL down and even made them apologize to her! The doctors were told in no uncertain terms they werent allowed to "cross the line" with her. Finally the doctors were allowed to go to the police. It took 10 minutes for the cops to realize something was up. One of the consultant doctors was Dr Ravi Jayaram who is a highly decorated doctor and has appeared on tv. The hospital bosses covered for her.
The Drs got into trouble for flagging it up. I think she charmed the senior management and they were not allowed to call the police. Someone should have whistle blown and gone to the police anyway.
Chilling. So so heartbreaking. How could she
It beggars belief that this was allowed to happen as long as it did.
She would only have relished listening to the impact statements. The more pain and torment, the greater her pleasure. Locked up alone to the end is best.
i found it interesting to listen to david wilson the criminologist mentioning narc traits but also the bias he saw as a governor toward rich/upper class people not committing crimes...they do.... in this case that would be the 'consultants'... interesting... truth always comes out in end i guess... i hope she is guilty because being accused of that & being innocent would be horrific!
Such bravery from these loving parents in the face of pure evil and on behalf of hospital management gross incompetence.
I hope the mothers were able to have other children
Wtf
So hard to believe she or anyone else could or would do this. Incomprehensible.
Should’ve been dragged up by the scruff to face the judge
She is evil my ex was evil she killed our 7 week old baby boy .. she put peroxide hair bleach in his bottle .. I warned social services about her not looking after him 3 x and they said my conversation with social services is getting recorded but when he died I asked them to look at the phone calls and they could not be found how apart in only a few weeks they lost the conversations .. something needs to be done .. so sad in these kids and families my deepest love and affection to you all truly sorry .. ❤❤❤
She gets a full life term but other killers get a minimum term as well and do get up for release including the guy who murdered two young girls..the justice system in this country is a joke
this really hurts down memory lane you meet each day
Doctors and managers are most guilty. Doctors should have gone to police and reported the situation even it cost them losing their job it makes me wonder if these Doctors are knowledgeable?They have duty of care responsibilities towards patients but keeping their job more important the these babies life ?what is gone wrong with medical professions?what is going on in these hospitals?Health and safety of the nation is under threat?Money and power is above moral there is no love for humanity 😢
the doctors made numerous reports and were threatened by hospital bosses. The hospital bosses told them in no uncertain terms that they could not go to police. At one point they even made the doctors draft an apology to Letby as well as apologize to her face! They had to get clearance from the hospital to go to the cops. They kept complaining until they finally were able to go to police.
The doctors were doing their duty! Its the hospital bosses at fault. Their names are online - just google. One of them just got a cushy new job running another hospital.
I hope the staff that wanted her to keep her job , were convicted too
I believe they kept her there working and because of that more babies were killed
They should be convicted too
Yes so it's rather odd that the deaths increased after she was taken off the unit, isn't it. We have been given a totally biased story, as usual. It's conjecture, what she is supposed to have done, in a room with 3 other incubators all with staff who you think might have noticed another nurse injecting a baby with air. Professor Norman Fenton interviews a substacker called Law Health Technology, and his substack presents damning evidence which Letby's solicitor is, I think, negligent in not presenting. If you can read this substack and still think she's guilty I'd be surprised.
Responsibility lies with Doctors as manager are not Educated in medical field therefore no matter your first action is to report manager and situation to police if Dr did that and did not wait for manager lives could been saved?think carefully if your neighbor abuse your child even people round you did not believe you you would go to police to safeguard your child and family .choosing to become a Dr is not a joke is not a bout money is a bout saving lives no matter what is not about giving medication and operating more.The first time Dr had Doubts and reported to manger should have gone to police does not matter they believe or not you have to value life over everything else .It is not rocket science.They put rule and regulations above life of all those innocent babies and how much they suffering they went through common get real 😢
In complete tears and chills, listening to this episode 💔 Thank you so much ladies, your channel is amazing!
That murderer will get exactly what she deserves!!!!
7:46 Those poor people they shouldn't go through this :(....go to hell Lucy
She knew what she did.
In the prev episode the lady kept saying three triplets. Mam it's just triplets. Not 3 triplets😊
The difficulty is that from now on any case of a baby dying in Hospital - parents will shout MURDER irrespective of what known ailments the baby might have had. A shocking prospect
The British justice system has done the right thing.
No it hasn’t it’s still breathing
@@bonkerslez91 True
Wicked to the Core
Complete Evil at Work,
Why oh Why ???
These poor little Darlings
Each & Everyone of them completely TORTURED until Their Final Ending Of Fate Or Death
I cannot recognise this as anywhere near Human behaviour 😢
Vanilla Killer You shall Rot in Hell
Her motuvation was to make them sick snd then be a hero and save them, to get promoted
Rules are their to be broken if not serving its purpose
Heartbreaking for the families 😢
Even the name “Lucy” is sweet, gentle and soft sounding. I find it difficult to refer to Letby by her first name. I’d prefer to stick to her last name. It also fucks with my brain that she looks so innocent and gentle and my brain doesn’t like that as it argues with all the shortcuts brains love to take when judging potential threats and her face doesn’t match the insidious monster she is inside.
Shes been sentenced fairly at least! Poor little babies...hoping the families are healing ❤
She won't last in prison.. someone will get her.
Should put her in a cell with Joanna Dennehy, shut the door and forget about them.
@@olivergosling3668 unfortunate they will live a normal life but in the same place....modern society for you
@@olivergosling3668That would be frightening. Shed eat Lucy alive
Her jail cell Bertha who is desperate for some.. bedroom activity
She should of been made to show her face like she made to go to prison she lost her rights when killed children
HOSPITAL”S ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE IN PRISON AS WELL!!!!
OR YOU DON”T WANT TO CONFRONT RICH PEOPLE???
The person being prosecuted for such Hanis crimes should have no rights what so ever I my opinion. She is lucky she is in the UK…
I'm a studying criminal psychologist and this one is baffling me...the chris wats case also baffles me...why do these people do it when they have an amazing life/career...there is deep seated things in everybody's minds and all it takes is a trigger society in my mind is a massive issue
It’s the Devils work
Professor Norman Fenton interviews a substacker called Law Health Technology, and his substack presents damning evidence which Letby's solicitor is, I think, negligent in not presenting. If you can read this substack and still think she's guilty I'd be surprised.
So much hurt, so much pain
Everyone believed that Beverly Allitt was a one-off, not true. There will be another Lucy Letby, maybe in a Childcare Centre or a Creche. I'm pleased she got a full life tariff for the families sake but why and how does she get a retrial?
Don’t stream it bring back the death penalty they come to court they live they don’t they die 💁♂️
These poor moms. My heart breaks for them. I couldn't imagine Lucy causing the death of my baby and then bathing my dead baby afterwards and sending me a freaking card. Wtf. She is beyond evil. Beyond.
How can there be a fair trial, after Police ring parent to inform them a nurse had killed their baby and had been arrested.
Calling someone a psychopath can be easy but this woman had emotions.i believe this woman was that desperate for attention, she was in position to cause this in a disturbed sick mind.
I hope she doesn't try to appeal the sentence. Id like to see a public statement from the Royal College of Nurses that say she has been expelled and they apologise to the victims also and how horrified they are I haven't seen anything from them as yet. It is not important I know but it seems appropriate. So sorry to the victims and families. I'm a not an expert on this case and I am just expressing an personal opinion I am not saying that I am necessarily right about my own opinions I just wanted to make a general public comment on the case.
There us no cure for these serial killers. If they need to take medication for the rest of their lives, all it takes is missing her meds and who knows what the consequences will be..
Lucy Letby should have face her verdict and not given the option of staying away.
I hope she never leaves prison unless it's to bury her.
they are invited by me to take all of their medications at one time, chase it with a pint of whiskey then promptly go to sleep face up....or face down in puddle of water.
Im sick of people saying LL is innocent.
Premature babies do not just die suddenly. They survive birth and being hooked up to machines. They thrive and certainly do NOT bleed to death or inject themselves with insulin. If not LL.. then who?? Since everybody else was ruled out!
What was the criteria for ruling them out? And the biggest criteria for convicting her was that she was there. Of course she was. She was the duty nurse. Was anyone else investigated for having a beef against her? To have done things and left for the blame to fall on LL.
yes actually - the hospital defended her and made the NUMEROUS consultant doctors who suspected her, apologize to her@@SK-nc6mn they even forbid the doctors from alerting the police. They moved her shifts around and gave her stable, non-urgent babies. Once she began caring for them, THOSE stable babies started destabilizing out of nowhere. It was her....she even wrote notes eluding to killing these babies which they used for evidence.
@@SK-nc6mn once the police were alerted a team was put together with them NOT being given any suspects name. LL was the only person who they found could not be ruled out. That's not a coincidence.. It was Lucy Letby.
@@reeva5735 so the police engaged independent medical consultants to examine the situation? Did they also analyze the doctors for any negligence or whether the babies were just too premature? Now the deaths stopped because the hospital stopped taking more than 5 week preterms. Just saying that a person has been termed a monster and her life taken away on mere circumstancial evidence.
@@user-yz1jq6yx4c people need to STOP looking for any excuse - because being a "crap" hospital does not explain the non-disputed facts.. for insulin was injected into a baby, not by magic but by hand. A baby bled to death, after LL told his mother not to worry about the blood around his mouth, saying it was caused by a tube rubbing on his throat. The baby BLED OUT on LL watch. PHYSICAL attacks are not unexplainable... Only when you look at the SURGE in collapses, resuscitations and unexplained deaths around LL in that same 12 month period, compared to previous years and also including ALL other hospital neo natal deaths do you see the alarming pattern emerging. Those babies were targeted and listening to an hour here an hour there of 'repeated' information on RUclips.. it's merely scratching the surface of what was revealed during the TEN MONTH trial. LL was OBSESSED with particular babies and their families.. even the BEST nurses don't save patients records or search for parents regularly on social media. And they certainly would NOT be writing in their private diary one year after the incident. Lucy Letby is not right in the head. Seriously.
....the banality of evil.
I’ve listened to the whole case, it hits different knowing Lucy is now guilty. My heart breaks for the families.
To bad they allow her to have a choice her victims didn’t have one
maybe the uk should follow the US wen it comes to capital punishment for evil monsters like this thing
In such cases, the death sentence is not lack of civilization.
Its absence is.
She is a monster! I will never say her name. I pray she doesn’t make money off her crimes, a book or movie
She sounds like she is dead inside with no remorse nor feelings about the dear babies and parents. I suspect she has done this before sadly.
If a man or poc did this they would've been caught after the 1st victim
What's a poc?
@@twobrokeguyz1214Person of colour. It's an American term
Harold Shipman
She should have been made to go up!!
ln the USA she would given the Death sentence.I have visit Trenton in New Jersey they don't mess around over there
Terrible miscarriage of Justice - yet again. Lucy: 🌺🐈⬛🐈⬛💝💖🍷❤️🔥🌈🎓😇🙂
Guess they covered everythink
I’m not saying she is innocent, but having listened to every podcast from the court proceedings, I ask did she do it. No evidence, except she was on the ward at the time. I ask that anyone interested in the case listen to the all the podcasts and then give their opinion. To be convicted on circumstantial evidence is concerning
An overwhelming amounts of circumstantial evidence.. like to the point there is no other explanation.. so many weird behaviours, caught in her lies about seemingly small details..
A mother walked in on Lucy killing her baby. I listened to everything and she's 100% guilty. She's probably guilty of WAY more.
I hope it’s prison and not a cushy mental hospital ....
I disagree
Lucy you're very wicked what has the innocent babies done to you you will die in prison you don't know the pain of babies
Whyyyyyyyy????????
Strangely the usual labour MPs are quiet about this case, and there's no national stigmatisation of nurses as a whole!
Some day this people who killing baby will stand before the Lord and be Judge On there life on earth if Lucey letby stand before the Lord be Judge for killing or kids lest she ask forgiveness what she did to there mom and Dad you people should forgive the right thing to do or or father in heaven will not forgive you on Judgement day im a Christian let the Lord deal with people like this
She was blonde and blue eyed. White woman power and victim hood. The brown doctor had to apologise to her. Nuff said
I share To RN
I hope she gets what she deserves from the prisoners for the rest of her life
If there is justice in this world, a fellow inmate gets a hold of her and takes her time. It's odd to wish that upon someone, but I do.
Bring back the death penalty for people like her...
Should be back the death penalty,
ZERO evidence
Mindless idiot
Weak case.
definitely not@@Douglas_Hamilton
@@basicallyno1722 It is and I expect an appeal coming soon.
@everythingisupsidedown9593
You weren't on the jury. The circumstantial evidence was weighty enough to convict her.
Those who bleat "Poor Lucy is innocent" conveniently overlook the lies she told on the stand.
Innocent people have no need at all to lie.
Life sentence without any solid proof. Sad.
Maybe you're just exceptionally stupid?
You another baby killer?? Sicko, lots of evidence, do you not listen or read news. You dirty twat. Probably you are one of her sick friends.
Muliple life sentences actually. Evil monster
There was a lot of proof, including her own notes of admission
Was she unable to have children and took it out on these children?
She could if she wanted....she said she could never marry...why not ..if she was struggling,lost,depressed...thus is life....change your world
Dont take others of theirs it's the worst
I wondered this.. just horrific
It’s like something out of a murder film
doubt it - i think she had other problems being with people in real relationships. She seems like a very self-involved person that people dont want to be around in a romantic relationship. I also hear her parents were pretty over-involved with her life and didnt like that she was living alone. Probably didnt even want to be a nurse, maybe felt obligated to get into it.
All these narcissist comments😂🤣
everyone is a narcissist to some degree@@user-yz1jq6yx4c
I am adamantly believing in the death penalty brought back under the rules that in modern society if that perpetrator is found not insane or psychotic...in this case she should be strung up