More to that thought, your not just rewarding the behaviour, you are rewarding the heightened emotion with in the behaviour. Eventually the behaviour begins to be the reward. Great vid thanks. Happy 2021, happy training.
100% agree... Yank & crank IMO is really what turns a dog into a nervous explosive wreck - when natural drives are suppressed, they’re going to shut down and act out at random... Using drives to shape behavior and as rewards and building and increasing those drives (even in the underground Malinowski SD community) just leads to a very happy, even-tempered, high-drive, happy-to-obey dog.
I am loving your content my friend I could never understand why people think obedience kills drives It's all about your training method because you can have an obedient dog that has a crazy drive. Keep up your work bro Do you have any tips for me for training dobermans? Anything special or do i use the normal methods?
I found this video extremely helpful. I think in in one way or another, you're talking about the building of the frustration. But one of the things I would like you to cover. Is the building of the anticipation of getting a reward. So that we are increasing. The dopamine high. The expectation of the reward. Through duration. Built.
There is so much right and so much wrong with what this guy says. Mainly what is wrong is that the dog is trained to work for itself and not for the handler. Thus there is a conflict between what the dog wants and what the handler wants. He just obeys the handler in order to get what he wants and not because what he does is what his handler wants and they have the same mission. Such "obedience" works in ideal conditions but it falls apart as soon as the dog sees an opening for getting what he wants without obeying. For example, if the dog is off-leash and breaks the command he learned on a leash as we see it on the video, then he just basically permanently learned to misbehave ( break the command) when off the leash in any, for the dog desirable opportunity. In other words, the dog does not care what the handler wants so he feels( in his mind) free to break the command in order to get what he wants. Yes, we can condition the dog not to do that when training is in the "on leash" stage, but as soon the dog realizes that the restriction of the leash is not keeping him from getting what he wants, the dog will permanently disregard such conditioning. He is like an adrenaline junkie who wants his adrenaline fix. While this passes for protection training the problem is that the training is incorporating a conflict into the training.. This concept is good for the sports routine and not on the street. So yes this way ( video) you can not diminish the drive of the dog in the "protection" part. except that such "protection" type of training is flawed from the beginning as a system of PPtraining. Another thing, as far as the obedience topic of the video goes, I would like to add this. The guy in the video is talking about obedience in drive ....or while the dog is in drive. Obedience in drive is basically useless in everyday life where the dog is OUT of drive 99% of the time. The training of the dog in the drive does not correspond well or at all, with situations where the dog is out of the drive and vice versa. In drive, obedience is good for a sport but not for everyday life. Thus training for everyday life requires, surprise, surprise, training OUT(!!!) of the drive. Now if you engage in rigid obedience out of the drive, besides teaching commands, you do so in order to establish a leadership position. Out of the driver training is +/- and is going to establish for you a leadership position if you like it or not. The stronger the leadership position, and the stronger the rigidness of such training more you will diminish the (protection) drive of the dog which will then overly depend on your guidance because such dog feels micromanaged. That is why during protection training, initially, I do not put too much emphasis on control work. Instead, I first teach the dog to be doing protection because he wants to protect me or the area and be on the same page in the mission of such task of protecting. I teach the dog that I want him to fight and protect and not to bite in order to get an adrenaline high. When the dog then works for me and with me, he understands when to protect and when not to protect based on my wishes expressed by my commands, and that way we are not in conflict during protection nor during obedience and we do not need to fake our dog performing circus tricks which look like an obedience. JMO.
I always wanta ask decoys about the hardest biting dogs they have experienced, if you can turn that into a video and what you think made those dogs such hard biters.
@@grassroots.k9 Ah, right. I'm not a complete beginner but maybe an advanced beginner but still in the beginner phase so it'd be great if you explain the terms and concepts before on using them in scenarios when talking about them in the video. Basically, what I'm trying to request is if you'd be slight more thorough. For example, I know what drive capping means (basically teaching the dog self control) but since dog training terms are often very subjective (ask 10 trainers about the meaning of a concept and you'll get 10 different answers sort of thing) so it'd be nice of you if you could elaborate on the terms and concepts so we (audience and you) could all be on the same level field when continuing on to move forward in the video. I hope that made sense. I'm seeing more and more of these working dog channels on RUclips which I found through Facebook groups and I find it very encouraging. There are no content about these so if anyone could take advantage of that it could really be beneficial for that person!
I liked this video because you took the time to explain the process. Keep it going!
Thank you! We’ll keep ‘em coming!
I’ve not found that any of my Mals have lost drive after putting handle on. I agree 100% on the stability of the dog has a huge impact on the drives.
More to that thought, your not just rewarding the behaviour, you are rewarding the heightened emotion with in the behaviour. Eventually the behaviour begins to be the reward. Great vid thanks. Happy 2021, happy training.
bingo!! thanks for the input man!
This!
Best breakdown of capping drive ever! Thank you
So helpful the conflict can make it harder this was exactly what happens to a lot of ppl self training.
100% agree... Yank & crank IMO is really what turns a dog into a nervous explosive wreck - when natural drives are suppressed, they’re going to shut down and act out at random... Using drives to shape behavior and as rewards and building and increasing those drives (even in the underground Malinowski SD community) just leads to a very happy, even-tempered, high-drive, happy-to-obey dog.
I am loving your content my friend
I could never understand why people think obedience kills drives
It's all about your training method because you can have an obedient dog that has a crazy drive.
Keep up your work bro
Do you have any tips for me for training dobermans? Anything special or do i use the normal methods?
I found this video extremely helpful. I think in in one way or another, you're talking about the building of the frustration. But one of the things I would like you to cover. Is the building of the anticipation of getting a reward. So that we are increasing. The dopamine high. The expectation of the reward. Through duration. Built.
Great chat Michael thanks
Great content. I appreciate your ability to articulate the details of what you see and what you do. It's incredibly helpful. Thank you
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you find the content helpful.
I just found you on RUclips I'm loving the way you explain things keep up the good work great work
Thank u! Appreciate it.
Premack principle, true mental power
Nice videos bro 👌
Loved this video!! Really well explained
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!
This was my biggest problem when I worked with AMK9, Obedience doesn't kill drive and if your Obedience kills your dog's drive you're doing it wrong.
that pink harness is quality LOL
There is so much right and so much wrong with what this guy says. Mainly what is wrong is that the dog is trained to work for itself and not for the handler. Thus there is a conflict between what the dog wants and what the handler wants. He just obeys the handler in order to get what he wants and not because what he does is what his handler wants and they have the same mission. Such "obedience" works in ideal conditions but it falls apart as soon as the dog sees an opening for getting what he wants without obeying. For example, if the dog is off-leash and breaks the command he learned on a leash as we see it on the video, then he just basically permanently learned to misbehave ( break the command) when off the leash in any, for the dog desirable opportunity. In other words, the dog does not care what the handler wants so he feels( in his mind) free to break the command in order to get what he wants. Yes, we can condition the dog not to do that when training is in the "on leash" stage, but as soon the dog realizes that the restriction of the leash is not keeping him from getting what he wants, the dog will permanently disregard such conditioning. He is like an adrenaline junkie who wants his adrenaline fix. While this passes for protection training the problem is that the training is incorporating a conflict into the training.. This concept is good for the sports routine and not on the street. So yes this way ( video) you can not diminish the drive of the dog in the "protection" part. except that such "protection" type of training is flawed from the beginning as a system of PPtraining.
Another thing, as far as the obedience topic of the video goes, I would like to add this. The guy in the video is talking about obedience in drive ....or while the dog is in drive. Obedience in drive is basically useless in everyday life where the dog is OUT of drive 99% of the time. The training of the dog in the drive does not correspond well or at all, with situations where the dog is out of the drive and vice versa. In drive, obedience is good for a sport but not for everyday life. Thus training for everyday life requires, surprise, surprise, training OUT(!!!) of the drive. Now if you engage in rigid obedience out of the drive, besides teaching commands, you do so in order to establish a leadership position. Out of the driver training is +/- and is going to establish for you a leadership position if you like it or not. The stronger the leadership position, and the stronger the rigidness of such training more you will diminish the (protection) drive of the dog which will then overly depend on your guidance because such dog feels micromanaged. That is why during protection training, initially, I do not put too much emphasis on control work. Instead, I first teach the dog to be doing protection because he wants to protect me or the area and be on the same page in the mission of such task of protecting. I teach the dog that I want him to fight and protect and not to bite in order to get an adrenaline high. When the dog then works for me and with me, he understands when to protect and when not to protect based on my wishes expressed by my commands, and that way we are not in conflict during protection nor during obedience and we do not need to fake our dog performing circus tricks which look like an obedience.
JMO.
The way they used to teach OB sure as heck DID kill drive! Not the way you do it, though :)
Thank you! we always have to continue learning and trying to improve.
I always wanta ask decoys about the hardest biting dogs they have experienced, if you can turn that into a video and what you think made those dogs such hard biters.
Thats a great idea for a video may have to do that one soon!
that agitation looks just like Anthony lol
Looking to get into the dog training and where I like to know where you located
Our HQ is in Toronto but we have a few locations.
I like it things!
Question for you, who are you making these videos for?
Enthusiasts? Beginners? Clients?
Thank you! The videos are made for anyone that can find them useful, beginners , enthusiasts or clients.
Not a beginner but i find them very useful lol
@@grassroots.k9 Ah, right.
I'm not a complete beginner but maybe an advanced beginner but still in the beginner phase so it'd be great if you explain the terms and concepts before on using them in scenarios when talking about them in the video.
Basically, what I'm trying to request is if you'd be slight more thorough.
For example, I know what drive capping means (basically teaching the dog self control) but since dog training terms are often very subjective (ask 10 trainers about the meaning of a concept and you'll get 10 different answers sort of thing) so it'd be nice of you if you could elaborate on the terms and concepts so we (audience and you) could all be on the same level field when continuing on to move forward in the video.
I hope that made sense.
I'm seeing more and more of these working dog channels on RUclips which I found through Facebook groups and I find it very encouraging. There are no content about these so if anyone could take advantage of that it could really be beneficial for that person!
@@JohnHenkamGangte Thanks for the feedback! We'll try and make the necessary adjustments where it fits. Im glad you're enjoying the content!
Aka frontloading....🤓🥴🤫🤪. Dragonball-z. Supersayon
You know it!!
That's a lazy concept, yeah?
I prefer to have obedience on a high drive dog, that prefers to bite, rather than training a game.
Any videos of you doing it? I’m not sure I understand your comment.