Nice coverage of 3 great rifles. The 99's seem to have the most "like breaking glass" triggers of any factory rifle trigger. It is amazing. Remember the counter is on the left forward side of the Savage rotary magazines, not the right. For hunting the BLR was the best setup. Every time you cross a fence, use a vehicle, etc the law requires removing ammo and the magazine is good for this. The BLR's hammer can be fully lowered on the inertial firing pin which is too short to reach the primer, so there is no spring energy and inherently safe. You can see and operate the wide, low hammer easily even with a scope mounted. There is no dependence on a safety that might or might not work. Cocking the hammer is silent. The trigger goes with the lever so no chance to get fingers caught in the mechanism when cycling in a hurry. The gear drive shortens the stroke and the smooth action makes the BLR really quick in the field especially if you need to be silent. They are all good rifles, but in the woods and fields the BLR edges the others out. The Savage gets the best in class trigger and magazine capacity (5+1) award and the Winchester gets the prettiest stock award. :)
I love my Sako Finnwolf. I have had it since I was a young man. Had a pre-64 "88" in .308. It was an okay rifle. It was very accurate. I traded it for my Sako.
Bought one of these BLR’s Model ‘81 from Hyde Supply in Hibbing,Mn. back in the mid 1970’s. It still works like the day I bought it. It was made at the Miroku plant in Japan. I can assure you that the deer never knew the difference.
My favorite is the BLR '81 stainless takedown (I own 2). Some think the BLRs 2 piece stock is a disadvantage. In the takedown model it is actually a big advantage which expedites cleaning, transportation & storage. Of course the stainless feature results in a superior resistance to the elements. None of the other rifles mentioned have takedown &/or stainless versions.
The newer BLR ‘81 Lightweight takedown rifles with an aluminum receiver are very nice. Cleaning the barrel is a breeze. The only downside to a takedown is that you either mount the scope on the receiver and risk zero moving every time you take it apart or mount an extended eye relief scope on the forward/barrel portion of the rifle. Doesn’t matter if you use the buckhorn rear sight but my 64-year eyes are challenged by that style iron sight. P.S. There isn’t a downside to the aluminum receiver vs. steel because the bolt locks up into a steel barrel extension, not the receiver. The BLR basically is a bolt action rifle with AR lockup that happens to be operated by a lever.
thank you for these videos. I'm a 99 man, 300 sav, 358, 308. own and love them all. but I have to admit that sometimes I have a moment of weakness and cheat on my savage with a nice pre 64, 88.
I really enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing them. Being able to apply the knowledge that you've imparted upon your viewers. I'm the guy who asked you about straight pull action rifles, (I ended up with an ISSC SPA in .22lr). Being a Quadriplegic, I'm quite happy with rim fires-if I get an 'itchy trigger finger' (for more BANG!!) I've got a Winchester 30/30 that makes my weighted Led Sled, shooting table & wheelchair shake, not conducive to accurate shooting! I've got high hopes for an Izhmash 'toggle action' to add to my-small-collection of .22's. I'd love to see you do a review of these 'biathlon action' rifles sometime...which would have to include the Anschütz Fortner-action. All I wanted to do was write a 'Thanks' to you, but I'm wordy. Happy Christmas to you!
Hi - yes - I'd like to compare my Glock/Sig and maybe 1911 and a couple of others. Also a Walther and some antiques. So many guns...so little time... : ) - Merry Christmas to you!
Really like your channel and content. I've always been a double shotgun guy (British, Spanish, German & American) but you have encouraged me to expand my collection with a few of these wonderful old rifle designs. Just purchased a pre-64 Win 88 today. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinions - much appreciated.
Hi Ryan, You bought a superb rifle - well done; you know how I like those 88s. This morning I'm looking at my 20 Ga. Webley & Scott Made in Birmingham - what a fine shotgun. What handling and care in manufacture and finish. The case is by William Evans - and that is a work of art as well. Glad you're digging deeper Ryan - for me collecting is an ocean of knowledge and meeting such fine people - the world over is a privilege.
Could I ask one other question? I have a sporterized Mauser 98 by Churchill in England. My only experience with Churchill has been with their shotguns... not much information available on any M98 rifles offered. Any thoughts?
Mike,great review. I have the Browning in .284 win. Still looking for the Savage in .284….rare. Great caliber….reloadable in bolt actions…limited in space, on box mags. Thanks .
I had a post 64 and chose to bed the barrel. Then started hand loading my rounds. What an improvement. After approx 4000 rounds still within 1 minute of angle. Yepper!
The biggest white tail buck ever taken was shot with a Winchester 88 (the Hanson buck). I’d love to see a review of a Henry long ranger and Winchester 1895
I actually have a Browning BLR 81 stainless .308 takedown on the way. I’m glad to hear you think they are decent guns. In Australia we don’t really have the used market to be able to easily purchase older firearms I guess because most of them were handed in for ‘disposal’ during the firearm buyback after our gun laws came into effect in 1996 so the other rifles you compared to are not really an option here.
I have both the BLR & 88. Love them both. Magnaport ported the 88. It really tamed the recoil of the 308 and keeps you on target. Really a nice gun. The BLR is the White Gold Medallion model in 7mm-08 and just beautiful. Both shoot sub moa groups.
I have a 1970 belgian made BLR and its a beautiful lever action. The lever is buttery smooth. The finish is amazing on it. Its had one owner that took excellent care of it.
I have a Model 88 Win. I bought new in around 1972. I have taken at least 40 deer with it and a box car load of coyotes. Mine is in .308 caliber and after probably thousands of rounds is a tack driver to this day. It is not responsible for my farthest deer kill, that was with a 25-06 (880) yards, threw the heart. But it has taken many over 500 yards and I've never shot at a deer that didn't die on the spot or after running under twenty yards. Great Rifle !
The 96/44 is an excellent carbine. I had 2 - both operated perfectly. Basically, these are Savage 99 type actions although more closely the old Marlin 57 - which I have in .30 Carbine. I'll review these - excellent. Thanks for the reminder.
Great Video, I own a savage 99 FW 300 savage made in 55 and a Winchester 88 .308 made in 1960. Both are excellent rifles. I would definitely like to own a BLR if the right one comes up.
I have a weakness & addiction for the 88. Only fault is the heavy trigger but a great ultra fast handling hunting rifle. Thank you Sir for your knowledge!
IVE OWNED THE BLR IN A 308 CAL...SAVAGE 99 EG AND LATER VERSION 99 A ... 300 SAVAGE AND 308.. MARLIN 336 ..PRE CROSS BOLT SAFETY IN 35 REMINGTON.. PRE 64 IN 30-30... NEVER HAD A MINUTES TROUBLE FROM ANY .. BUT I GUESS MY 99 EG WAS MY FAVORITE..300 SAVAGE.. THAT ROTARY CLIP WITH COUNTER....GREAT DESIGN..!! THANKS AGAIN...!!!..... JAMES
Hey it's me again Mike. I just got another one of your great videos. This one from four years ago. I guess that's the U-tube metric working. I've had both the Model 88 Winchester and Savage 99 but never a BLR. I still have a 99EG in 250-3000 with its original K-4 Weaver and a 99F in 300 Savage which I sometimes have hunted with. I really like them both. The Winchester Model 88 that I had was a 308 made in 1956 which was the second year of production for the 88. It had a K6 on it. I paid $750 for it at a gun show in early 2017 and sold it about mid 2019 for $1,500 without ever having shot it. I sometimes have sellers remorse but that deal enabled me to buy three Remington Model 11-48 shotguns that I do occasionally shoot. The BLR, Savage 99 and Winchester 88 all in 358 Winchester have been on my want list for a long time, but alas skyrocketing inflation has kept those out of my reach. Same for 284 Winchester. I do have a custom 98 Mauser in 358 Winchester. An almost forgotten cartridge that's close to 35 Whelen. It's one of my favorites. Also a custom Siamese Mauser 45-70 Gov't in case the dinosaurs come back. If you can ever beg, borrow or steal one maybe you could do a video on the Henry Long Ranger. They seem expensive (to me) but are probably a good value considering manufacturing costs today. Thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work. Happy hunting boys and girls! 😃
Thanks for the detailed comment Dave. I'll find a Long Ranger - I've been looking : ) Your collection is great and I love the story of the $1500. deal. Also, all doubters about gun values seem to have vanished - if one owned a few guns before inflation - the gun vault did much better than that stock portfolio - for many people anyway. Take care and good shooting!
I have all three the win88 and BLR in 308 and the Savage in 300 savage. They are all outstanding rifles but the one that was truly ahead of its time, in my opinion, was the Savage 99. The only thing that compares with it would be the Winchester 95. If I was gong across country on horseback I would’ve picked the 95 for it’s weight and bulk. For being fancier, the Savage is just amazing with its rotary magazine, cartridge counter and looks. I am still hunting for a Sako Finnwolf. It’s the one lever action I don’t have that I would love to have. An awesome channel sir.
You are absolutely correct about the 88. If you rock that lever, it is wicked quick. Cleaning can be a very simple operation with a good solvent, BUT if you drop the pins you MUST have a set of slaves (custom make yourself) to get it back together. No need to do this really unless it has never been apart. I did mine to work the trigger ever so slightly with a file (mostly just to de-burr edges). Action and trigger are smooth as butter now without taking hardly anything off the trigger at all. Just smoother. If that makes sense. Because the trigger was hesitating a bit in the pull I was dropping shots a little low and right at 100 yards. I stack three touching now. By far, my favorite (post 64) rifle.
Wise guidance on taking the 88 down - I clean by aerosol : ) Hopefully people will read your post and avoid the whole issue or use the slave pins as you describe. Thanks for the note.
My 99c chipped the wood off just behind the tang but thankfully did not split the pistol grip as yours , so l shaved the rest of it off & glued on a small piece of pre-shaped for tang clearance mahogany , smoothed it down to proper level , slightly diff color , but looks good
Iv always wanted a model 99 but never had the money and opportunity at the same time. I really enjoy all of your vids.. I really like to see how they work . You do a wonderful job sharing these works of art.
i own 4 Savage model 99's one in 308 Caliber, 2 in 259 savage caliber, and one in 300 savage caliber. and an assortment of Winchesters and Marlins in 3030 Winchester caliber. and all still great Rifles.
I have more lever actions than any other type rifle. The ones I have are excellent quality and reliable as all get-out. Thank you for doing this segment!
Very good explanation. I learned something. I have a Winchester 88 in .284 , I'm surprised that you have a .284 in a Savage 99. I didn't realize that was available. And your model 88 is in .308. I would have expected those two switched around.
Scrolled across this 3 years late but I noticed that you said the action is steel which is true on the older models like yours but the new lightweight 81’ is aluminum. I decided I needed to own own after watching my uncle roll a buck at 400+ yards with his BLR chambered in .284 win. I managed to get mine in 6.5 creedmoor and have had phenomenal accuracy results and reliability.
Another great no nonsense video. I have owned several BLR's and 99's. Have always seemed a pre 64 88. Currently only have one 1899 H carbine in 30-30 dating from 1926. It's in the "white" but a excellent shooter. Had it since 83, bought for $100. Love your videos, as always........ Thanks!!!
That 1899 H is a keeper - something about the 99 in 30-30; of course the action can take higher pressures but that 30-30 seems right. Glad you like the channel - I like making the videos and the people here are so great; actually true of all gun men and women I've had the privilege to meet. The very best to you for Christmas and the New Year!
You have one of the best you tube channels going you have a very nice collection I can’t believe all the lever guns you have all are beautiful I have to agree I think my favourite is the 1894 it’s a good looking carbine you sure do know a lot about these rifles also I think that Japanese products look really nice although most don’t like them as well as a USA rifle I would agree with you that they are very well put together I really love the history about these rifles especially the old ones but I do think that miruko is a great company great video
Thanks Jeff - I do my best; lots that I don't know : ) Miroku is a great maker - and the Winchesters remain the gold standard for levers. Marlins may be better to many; but I've been to a lot of remote places and people knew the name Winchester and they did not know the name Washington...or France. That says a lot. take care.
USOG I’m not certain of what you own but a comparison of a Mauser 98 and a 1903 Springfield would be neat given the Springfield shares design with the Mauser. Another good comparison would be a Remington 700 vs Winchester 70.
I wanted a nice lever in 308 and based on this video I picked up a mint condition Winchester 88 this week for $900 cdn. Can’t wait t get it to the range this week
you wont be disappointed. My very first rifle was an 88 in .308, bought new in '67. It has served me well, in the Eastern big woods, pine woods of the South and in the mountains out west.
I definitely agree with you on selecting the model 88 as the best modern lever action. The Savage 99 locks up at the rear of the action and is therefore "springy" under firing stress allowing the cartridge to stretch. This may not affect the average shooter who does not reload, however, I do and is a primary consideration. The BLR is a nice rifle, but, I am a bit of a neo-luddite and prefer firearms that are more indicative of traditional materials and methods of construction and the nylon gears and aluminium barrel bands and receiver (on the newer models) rule this one out of my collection. Thank you for another superb video.
Hi Steve - thanks for the vote of confidence. I can be distracted by one or another feature of different guns but I try to remember the basic principles of firearms design. The 88 has it all - except popularity.
The Winchester '88 is a very well designed and constructed "old school"! Great rifle. Blued steel and walnut made by craftsmen with talent. What happened to those days? The Savage '99's also deserve note worthy comments. The 88 you are showing is a real beauty, love that stock.
Hi Denis - You're right - the Savage 99 is superb and they seem to last indefinitely - at least the actions do. Your post makes me think I should make a new video on the 99. Thanks for the comment! -
Well, I have 2 of the 3. I have the Browning BLR in 7mm-08, Savage 99 in .303 Savage, but instead of the Winchester 88 (which I once looked for at one time but could not find one I could afford. After this video reminding me of it, I may have to look again), I also have the Marlin 336 in .35 Remington.
Lovely wood on that model 88. Have you got a Sako finnwolf ? I hear they were very good rifles, but expensive to make. There is something special about the Savage, another old world quality rifle.
I have a Savage model 99, rotary magazine. Mine has the removable barrel it is a 22savage. I have a box of the original 22hp cartridges. Great rifle for varmint hunting.
Hi Ken - You have one of the best rifles ever. You may know, the .22 Savage was such a hit - due to high velocity for its time - that people used it on tigers and all kinds of magnificent game. Of course, our of place in the tiger camp but still better than a .223 for deer - with its 70 grain bullets. All the best to you and thanks for the note.
Mike somehow I missed this viedo. Wow what a great review. But I'm stuck in pursuit of a Finwolf. Your videos have cost me some real money. But I'm getting some wonderful rifles. Getting back into firearms has been so much fun. Thank you
Bravo! One rarely loses over all on guns - they just keep going up in value. I lose on new ones tho haha. Glad you're on the channel and no matter what - guns are great! All the best to you!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you Sir. I'm sure your very busy and taking the time to respond to my small note was very nice of you. I don't know if your aware of how much you sharing of your knowledge and passion means to folks like me. Thank you
All three were pretty revolutionary and they each have their pros and cons. I may be mistaken but I always thought that at least some of the Belgian made BLR's were blued steel whereas the Japan models have aluminum alloy receivers with some sort of paint like coating. ?? I believe the BLR is the most modern design and it is definitely the smoothest action, but having said that I also prefer the model 88. It is an outstanding and seemingly unappreciated design. The model 99 was and remains a mechanical marvel. All fine weapons and fun to own. It is good to hear from another Model 88 fan. I dont think there are too many of us left. The 284 Winchester seems to be the holy grail of the model 88's.
Mike I see a Lever action PCP airgun in the background on the Left. Is it a .9mm ? If so, I have one just like it. I even harvested a Deer with it with a 80 yard shot. Very cool...
Great review! Like the calm demeanor of your show! Please tell me where you found the front sling mount adapter on the BLR ? Thanks! Kind regards! Larry
@@deanh2811 lots of variables: Pre or post 1964? Rifle of carbine? CALIBER? Scoped? How many magazines do you have? Condition? Answer all of these and start looking on Gun Broker and other auction sites to see not just what people are asking but what they are selling for.
I prefer leverguns, myself. I did not know the m88 was front locking though. It looks very long through the action to me. What is the overall length of the rifle?The barrel length? Thanks
Your channel is great. It's really awesome to see discussion on classic hunting rifles like those that I use and have grown up seeing. My Dad has always used his pre-64 88 and the first rifle I bought my wife was a BLR. For me, it's a Winchester 1895 in .30-40 Krag. Look forward to your future videos.
It is a rare thing to run into someone like you - choosing a 30-40 Krag 1895 over all the other rifles out there these days. I see that some people hunt with AR type rifles now - I get that - they are amazing machines; but I'd take a Model 94 or 1895 100 times out of 100 over the ARs. Silly me I suppose but I find meaning in the simpler things and ways, I think that is where we came from and how we got to where we are. I also don't mind missing sometimes. : )
I also have a BLR in .308 Win as well as a model 88 in .308 Win . My model 88 is a 1957 production with a lighter stain . I'd love a model 99 or a '81, in .358 Win .
The original BLR's are great. If you reload for them you must use small base dies otherwise you will get a stuck shell in the chamber which will require you to take it to a gunsmith as it is gear driven, and you will not be able to get it properly timed. Don't lose that mag. It's worth $300. I don't know about the new BLR's except the receivers are made of alum. which I really don't care for. I'm sure the Winchesters and Savages are equally as good. I have found that Browning stocks are too long for me. Remington fits me just fine.
I didn't know the mags are so expensive. I also prefer the steel receivers. I rarely use reloads except in bolt actions but I used to - always had a cleaning rod for the cases that needed coaxing to remove.
I have several that my friend teases me about having a transmission for an action. But those BLR's have accounted for taking elk and wild boar in the thumping. 358 Win.
Ok, you have the dream gun set with the 284 (in the 99, cool!) 358 Win BLR (you were right on point) and the 308 '88. For me especially if the BLR is in 270 and has had a trigger job done (don't want a match trigger, just less than a DA pistol) it would be my possibly 1 rifle. Then the Savage in 7mm-08, then the 88 in 284 (where it debuted). Honestly, as awesome as I find the 6.5x55 a 270 is still my end all be all. With the old Marlin 336 and the new Henry Long Ranger you would have a "full dream set". Saw some blokes saying US peeps all about the AR .... uh uh, throwing out sales to governments the Win 94 30-30 is the best selling CIVILIAN rifle of all time in the world, by MILLIONS. So We do like levers and hats off to Uberti, Browning, Henry and Marlin for keeping the faith.
Those levers...every one....classic, fast enough, instinctive, perfect in scabbard, rack or vault... you share wise words. As for the 6.5 vs .270 - I agree the .270 is the cat's pajamas - some of the shots I've made with the .270 are beyond belief - many believe it is the greatest cartridge of all time. This makes '06 believers cringe; which is really a father or son thing - seeing as the .270 is the '06 with a twist.
Plenty of stories, one thought I had for videos, we kids and grandkids stood Gramp's height at 5... so we took the sporterized 03 and put the "lucky pad" around the barrel for it to shoot well and made a denim and buckwheat hull pad to lengthen the pull and we "fringed" the 30-30 in the woods to camouflage it. The ol 06 worked in the Superior uplands and Dakotas.Still, would like another 270 as my 7mm Rem mag needs an inch more,or I need better hearing protection. Stupid trade.
I tested out my ironsights on my savage99f 308 and we were shooting a 4inch circle target at 150 yards and I was 1 inch away with every shot. I need a scope for better accuracy. I have my eyes an on a weaver scope to go with the lever rifle.
That would be an ideal combination. I like the post reticle in the Weaver but they are not easy to locate. Anyway, at 150 with irons your results can only mean : excellent rifle and shooters.
Dalan , I have 2 Savage 99 , 1 is C the other E , I have never shot the E ! I bought the c it had only fired 3 shots, (a rental rifle) Michigan 1965 , soon as I could I mounted a 1.5/4.5 scope, always carry it at 1.5 because if your target is close, like under 50yds, you want to see something beside the deer ! Have turned it up to 4 at last light on a dark day , just in case , but never used it there ! 3 or 4 power scope on running animals in wooded or close quarters is USELESS!! I also mounted it on a tip off mount , (tipped it off hundreds of times & never had to re-zero)so that if hunting in fog or snow storm, I can tip it off and use my iron sights, because either case though the scope looks like a white sheet at the end of the barrel ! As the man said I have had to repair the stock @ the rear tang , so if yours is not chipped or cracked there carefully give it a few .000 clearance & as has been pointed out shoot different ammunitions to see what shoots best groups , & always hunting ammo ! I like 165 g Federal Premium ! Also go to GunBlue 490 & Therealgunsmith they discuss hunting ammo ! Good luck !
liked your pitch for a 300 blk m1 carbine... my wish list would also have manufacturers like Browning NOT FAILING to keep magazines like for my pre-81 BLR in production or at least make a big enough stockpile every 10 yrs to keep their older customers from feeling abandoned
Hi David, that's a great thing to mention. Also the Tikka 65/55 and actually many others....why they don't keep making mags for their own rifles is a mystery.
The BLR was more impressive to me than the Winchester 88, except for your 88's beautiful stock. The Savage 99 was always more of a working gun for less money. On a side note, Henry is now producing a lever rifle in 270Win, I haven't actually held one of them yet. I didn't know if you'd seen one yet but since Henry rifles are fairly smooth, I'd bet their new 270 is a good gun also. Take care!
@@paulsimmons5726 Yep, you've got the name right. It's available in typical short action calibers, i.e. .308 Winchester, .243, .223/5.56mm, and 6.5mm Creedmoor.
Yeah, I am back. I never considered my self a lever action man, but I just keep running into them. I picked up a model 88 in .284 that needs some work. I now have a couple Marlin receivers and parts laying around. For a couple years I have 99 Savage receivers and parts laying around. I have just been too busy to work on them. Maybe I missed it in the video, what caliber is the 99C you have? Is it a .358? I have an early Featherweight in .358 and it really rocks you. I never owned one or worked on one. Does it look like they strengthened the receiver for the magazine cutout? I have an old style in .243 and the extraction gets "Stickey" even with some factory loads that are too hot. This is the receiver "Springing", a problem with rear locking guns. I would think cutting the bottom out would really weaken it.
The Model 88 is a very fine rifle, been on the hunt for one for a few years now. A .284 would be awesome, regardless of stock quality. Like yours, the stock can be upgraded. Cool, informative vid! Ps- I've got a Sav 99 in .300 that was my Great-Grandfather's. Was my first deer rifle when I was a teen. Pre-War, with the brass rotary mag, and the counter. Slick rifle, but I keep it in the safe now.
My favorite gun video...thanks. Old school, wood stocks, bluing, peep sights. No tactical weapons, large capacity magazines designed for shooting people.
It is really a shame that the Model 88 and the Finnwolf weren't more popular. I have a feeling that they were just ahead of their time. I have hunted with a Model 88 - .308. It was a really fine rifle. I have experience with the Finnwolf too. An even better rifle. I owned a Belgian BLR - .308. Now I want a Finnwolf but would rather have it chambered in 260 Rem. I just like the BC and SD of 6.5mm bullets better than 7.62mm bullets. I have a tack driver 6.5x55 SE K98 action Mauser that I love. I would love a CZ 6.5 Grendel model 527 with iron sights. Actually I would love a Finnwolf with a really short action in 6.5 Grendel and 10 round magazines. The ultimate all purpose rifle for me. I don't live in grizzly country.
Totally off topic to your video but have you ever heard or seen a Monitor 12 gauge single break open shotgun. I can't find anything about it and can't ask my grandfather, but it's been with us since the 60s
Hi Trace, I think I remember that name from an auction - please send a pic somehow and I'll do my best to identify. I think it was a trade name - could have been an H&R product.
Hello my friend, it's been a while. Where to begin... three great rifles. In my view the Browning is by far the strongest action. That rack and pinion is a strong beast. Given that, it is the reason why it is able to be chambered in larger calibers than the other two. It's nice that the whole trigger group drops with the lever, leaving it easy to clean. I believe they were also made in take down models, a BIG plus. Now for the one big difference the BLR has the others do not. An exposed hammer. Depending on your personal preference this may or may not be a plus. Yes you are able to de-cock the rifle while it's loaded. But on the other hand if the hammer was struck a serious blow it's possible, not likely, but theoretically possible for the hammer to strike the firing pin by overriding the sear. But all in all this is a sleek good looking rifle that handles very well. But as you said, it is NOT the gun for the inexperienced to take apart. Next up to compare is the wonderful Winchester 88. Strong and tough like a German 88 field gun, you won't get much in the way of dissent from me on this one. Beautifully crafted and executed this one is a gem. Very sleek, it looks much the same as the model 100 auto. There is no exposed hammer on the 88 as it is a more modern design. It could be had in a few interesting chamberings but I think it's strong suit is great looks, slick action, sleek appearance, fast handling and strong action. And lastly, the good old Savage M - 99. Auther Savage really showed his genius when he desig the 99. A very stout and strong action that locks up tight as a drum is used. However that really only applies to the chamberings that were initially used up to the late 1940's. Then it was chambered for the .308 Win. Not a bad thing, but the old Savage design is at the very top of it's performance range to handle the pressure of the .308 cartridge. It's about as far as the 99 can go, and even then in my opinion handloading for it is cautionary. But an absolutely beautiful and impressive design, which came in a gazillion different variations. You say you didn't include the wonderful Sako Finnwolf because it isn't American made, well like you mentioned neither is the BLR. And if I could choose one I'd go with a Belgian made BLR, although the 88 would be running neck and neck. If it was a pre 64 of course! All the best, be safe.
Hi Bob, Measured comments - thank you - from experience one can tell. I agree with everything you wrote - they're all excellent. I wonder which one you would pick if you could own only one.
This are the best Educational channel on RUclips like a university of guns ,thank God for teachers like him we all learn something new everyday.
Nice coverage of 3 great rifles. The 99's seem to have the most "like breaking glass" triggers of any factory rifle trigger. It is amazing. Remember the counter is on the left forward side of the Savage rotary magazines, not the right. For hunting the BLR was the best setup. Every time you cross a fence, use a vehicle, etc the law requires removing ammo and the magazine is good for this. The BLR's hammer can be fully lowered on the inertial firing pin which is too short to reach the primer, so there is no spring energy and inherently safe. You can see and operate the wide, low hammer easily even with a scope mounted. There is no dependence on a safety that might or might not work. Cocking the hammer is silent. The trigger goes with the lever so no chance to get fingers caught in the mechanism when cycling in a hurry. The gear drive shortens the stroke and the smooth action makes the BLR really quick in the field especially if you need to be silent. They are all good rifles, but in the woods and fields the BLR edges the others out. The Savage gets the best in class trigger and magazine capacity (5+1) award and the Winchester gets the prettiest stock award. :)
Excellent post Alan!
Very helpful. BLRs are quite reasonably priced.
I need to stop watching your videos...i never knew of some of these guns and now I must have them...
Right there with you brother...
I love my Sako Finnwolf. I have had it since I was a young man. Had a pre-64 "88" in .308. It was an okay rifle. It was very accurate. I traded it for my Sako.
Bought one of these BLR’s Model ‘81 from Hyde Supply in Hibbing,Mn. back in the mid 1970’s. It still works like the day I bought it. It was made at the Miroku plant in Japan. I can assure you that the deer never knew the difference.
Excellent reviews, fantastic attitude and possibly the only RUclips’r that calls a rifle a rifle instead of a gun
Thank you Dan ; )
My favorite is the BLR '81 stainless takedown (I own 2). Some think the BLRs 2 piece stock is a disadvantage. In the takedown model it is actually a big advantage which expedites cleaning, transportation & storage. Of course the stainless feature results in a superior resistance to the elements. None of the other rifles mentioned have takedown &/or stainless versions.
That is all true bushed274. I'll find one and add it to the channel.
There are takedown versions of the Savage 99.
The newer BLR ‘81 Lightweight takedown rifles with an aluminum receiver are very nice. Cleaning the barrel is a breeze. The only downside to a takedown is that you either mount the scope on the receiver and risk zero moving every time you take it apart or mount an extended eye relief scope on the forward/barrel portion of the rifle. Doesn’t matter if you use the buckhorn rear sight but my 64-year eyes are challenged by that style iron sight.
P.S. There isn’t a downside to the aluminum receiver vs. steel because the bolt locks up into a steel barrel extension, not the receiver. The BLR basically is a bolt action rifle with AR lockup that happens to be operated by a lever.
thank you for these videos. I'm a 99 man, 300 sav, 358, 308. own and love them all. but I have to admit that sometimes I have a moment of weakness and cheat on my savage with a nice pre 64, 88.
The Savage 99 is so great!
Gear driven lever-actions vs everything else would be pretty cool mike, Ie Henry Long-Ranger, Sako Finnwolf, etc. Keep up the awesome work Mike!!
Loved the 88.. just gave my dads to my youngest son a month back. 308. Great rifle
I really enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing them. Being able to apply the knowledge that you've imparted upon your viewers. I'm the guy who asked you about straight pull action rifles, (I ended up with an ISSC SPA in .22lr). Being a Quadriplegic, I'm quite happy with rim fires-if I get an 'itchy trigger finger' (for more BANG!!) I've got a Winchester 30/30 that makes my weighted Led Sled, shooting table & wheelchair shake, not conducive to accurate shooting! I've got high hopes for an Izhmash 'toggle action' to add to my-small-collection of .22's. I'd love to see you do a review of these 'biathlon action' rifles sometime...which would have to include the Anschütz Fortner-action. All I wanted to do was write a 'Thanks' to you, but I'm wordy. Happy Christmas to you!
Hi - yes - I'd like to compare my Glock/Sig and maybe 1911 and a couple of others. Also a Walther and some antiques. So many guns...so little time... : ) - Merry Christmas to you!
Really like your channel and content. I've always been a double shotgun guy (British, Spanish, German & American) but you have encouraged me to expand my collection with a few of these wonderful old rifle designs. Just purchased a pre-64 Win 88 today.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinions - much appreciated.
Hi Ryan, You bought a superb rifle - well done; you know how I like those 88s. This morning I'm looking at my 20 Ga. Webley & Scott Made in Birmingham - what a fine shotgun. What handling and care in manufacture and finish. The case is by William Evans - and that is a work of art as well. Glad you're digging deeper Ryan - for me collecting is an ocean of knowledge and meeting such fine people - the world over is a privilege.
Could I ask one other question? I have a sporterized Mauser 98 by Churchill in England. My only experience with Churchill has been with their shotguns... not much information available on any M98 rifles offered. Any thoughts?
Usually A+ guns Ryan.
Thank you for this great insight into modern lever actions.
Mike,great review. I have the Browning in .284 win. Still looking for the Savage in .284….rare. Great caliber….reloadable in bolt actions…limited in space, on box mags. Thanks .
I had a post 64 and chose to bed the barrel. Then started hand loading my rounds. What an improvement.
After approx 4000 rounds still within 1 minute of angle. Yepper!
The biggest white tail buck ever taken was shot with a Winchester 88 (the Hanson buck). I’d love to see a review of a Henry long ranger and Winchester 1895
Awesome review,,,,,i myself own 2,,,winchester model 88,,,,,in 308,,,,,1 was made in 1965 and the other in 1969,,,,,i love them
Love all three. Need a BLR, preferably an older one like yours.
I actually have a Browning BLR 81 stainless .308 takedown on the way.
I’m glad to hear you think they are decent guns.
In Australia we don’t really have the used market to be able to easily purchase older firearms I guess because most of them were handed in for ‘disposal’ during the firearm buyback after our gun laws came into effect in 1996 so the other rifles you compared to are not really an option here.
Aw man 3 videos in a row and I'm stuck at a wedding! I will watch when i get home!!
Hope the wedding went well! Videos are a little different - hope you liked them.
USOG it was ok but I'd rather be obsessing on guns! Keep up the great videos!
Thank you that was informative it filled in some blanks about the lever actuated Bolt
Excellent! Thank you for the educational video!
I have both the BLR & 88. Love them both. Magnaport ported the 88. It really tamed the recoil of the 308 and keeps you on target. Really a nice gun.
The BLR is the White Gold Medallion model in 7mm-08 and just beautiful.
Both shoot sub moa groups.
I have a 1970 belgian made BLR and its a beautiful lever action. The lever is buttery smooth. The finish is amazing on it. Its had one owner that took excellent care of it.
Ideal! Keep it!
I have a Model 88 Win. I bought new in around 1972. I have taken at least 40 deer with it and a box car load of coyotes. Mine is in .308 caliber and after probably thousands of rounds is a tack driver to this day. It is not responsible for my farthest deer kill, that was with a 25-06 (880) yards, threw the heart. But it has taken many over 500 yards and I've never shot at a deer that didn't die on the spot or after running under twenty yards. Great Rifle !
That is a legendary 88 - and the shooter as well. Good on you and thanks for writing.
Have all three in the exact calibers. Always awesome videos!
I do like a nice levergun, though all I have is a Ruger 96/44 which is a very handy carbine and has taken many feral pigs. Slick as butter.
The 96/44 is an excellent carbine. I had 2 - both operated perfectly. Basically, these are Savage 99 type actions although more closely the old Marlin 57 - which I have in .30 Carbine. I'll review these - excellent. Thanks for the reminder.
Great Video, I own a savage 99 FW 300 savage made in 55 and a Winchester 88 .308 made in 1960. Both are excellent rifles. I would definitely like to own a BLR if the right one comes up.
Mike just got a 99 in 303 savage. Made in 1902 . It’s a little ruff around the edges but I love it. Beautiful old style workmanship.
Ahhh - dream to own and shoot. The rough and the edges just add to the character IMHO. Merry Christmas!
I have a weakness & addiction for the 88. Only fault is the heavy trigger but a great ultra fast handling hunting rifle. Thank you Sir for your knowledge!
Thank you UR - great addiction!
125th anniversary for the model 94. I’ll be taking my favorite for a hike on Saturday. Hunt safe folks and hunt well
Now I want a Model 99.
Thanks for the great video as always.
IVE OWNED THE BLR IN A 308 CAL...SAVAGE 99 EG AND LATER VERSION 99 A ...
300 SAVAGE AND 308..
MARLIN 336 ..PRE CROSS BOLT SAFETY IN 35 REMINGTON..
PRE 64 IN 30-30...
NEVER HAD A MINUTES TROUBLE FROM ANY ..
BUT I GUESS MY 99 EG WAS
MY FAVORITE..300 SAVAGE..
THAT ROTARY CLIP WITH COUNTER....GREAT DESIGN..!!
THANKS AGAIN...!!!..... JAMES
Hey it's me again Mike. I just got another one of your great videos. This one from four years ago. I guess that's the U-tube metric working.
I've had both the Model 88 Winchester and Savage 99 but never a BLR. I still have a 99EG in 250-3000 with its original K-4 Weaver and a 99F in 300 Savage which I sometimes have hunted with. I really like them both.
The Winchester Model 88 that I had was a 308 made in 1956 which was the second year of production for the 88. It had a K6 on it. I paid $750 for it at a gun show in early 2017 and sold it about mid 2019 for $1,500 without ever having shot it. I sometimes have sellers remorse but that deal enabled me to buy three Remington Model 11-48 shotguns that I do occasionally shoot.
The BLR, Savage 99 and Winchester 88 all in 358 Winchester have been on my want list for a long time, but alas skyrocketing inflation has kept those out of my reach. Same for 284 Winchester. I do have a custom 98 Mauser in 358 Winchester. An almost forgotten cartridge that's close to 35 Whelen. It's one of my favorites. Also a custom Siamese Mauser 45-70 Gov't in case the dinosaurs come back.
If you can ever beg, borrow or steal one maybe you could do a video on the Henry Long Ranger. They seem expensive (to me) but are probably a good value considering manufacturing costs today. Thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work. Happy hunting boys and girls! 😃
Thanks for the detailed comment Dave. I'll find a Long Ranger - I've been looking : ) Your collection is great and I love the story of the $1500. deal. Also, all doubters about gun values seem to have vanished - if one owned a few guns before inflation - the gun vault did much better than that stock portfolio - for many people anyway. Take care and good shooting!
Model 71 is a nice lever gun as well. My dad collected 99’s had them in 358, 300, 250-3000 and some others.
I love my 270 BLR. Getting ready for season.
I have all three the win88 and BLR in 308 and the Savage in 300 savage. They are all outstanding rifles but the one that was truly ahead of its time, in my opinion, was the Savage 99. The only thing that compares with it would be the Winchester 95. If I was gong across country on horseback I would’ve picked the 95 for it’s weight and bulk. For being fancier, the Savage is just amazing with its rotary magazine, cartridge counter and looks. I am still hunting for a Sako Finnwolf. It’s the one lever action I don’t have that I would love to have. An awesome channel sir.
I agree. The 99 is a one of a kind genius rifle. Simple and brilliant.
Thanks for a great video. I have always been pleased with the Marlins, but your video opens my mind to other options. I like the BLR.
You are absolutely correct about the 88. If you rock that lever, it is wicked quick.
Cleaning can be a very simple operation with a good solvent, BUT if you drop the pins you MUST have a set of slaves (custom make yourself) to get it back together. No need to do this really unless it has never been apart. I did mine to work the trigger ever so slightly with a file (mostly just to de-burr edges). Action and trigger are smooth as butter now without taking hardly anything off the trigger at all. Just smoother. If that makes sense.
Because the trigger was hesitating a bit in the pull I was dropping shots a little low and right at 100 yards. I stack three touching now. By far, my favorite (post 64) rifle.
Wise guidance on taking the 88 down - I clean by aerosol : ) Hopefully people will read your post and avoid the whole issue or use the slave pins as you describe. Thanks for the note.
My 99c chipped the wood off just behind the tang but thankfully did not split the pistol grip as yours , so l shaved the rest of it off & glued on a small piece of pre-shaped for tang clearance mahogany , smoothed it down to proper level , slightly diff color , but looks good
Iv always wanted a model 99 but never had the money and opportunity at the same time. I really enjoy all of your vids.. I really like to see how they work . You do a wonderful job sharing these works of art.
Thank you and when you get that 99 - please let me know Model and cal. and how you like it. Have a Merry Christmas!
i own 4 Savage model 99's one in 308 Caliber, 2 in 259 savage caliber, and one in 300 savage caliber.
and an assortment of Winchesters and Marlins in 3030 Winchester caliber.
and all still great Rifles.
Fortunately I have acquired one of each also. All excellent. Thank you sir.
Best solution!
excellent reviews. You are great and enjoyable to watch.
Thanks Toadley - I appreciate every word.
" If the firing pin breaks I'll buy a new one." I like your attitude. Thanks for the lever gun lesson.
I have more lever actions than any other type rifle. The ones I have are excellent quality and reliable as all get-out. Thank you for doing this segment!
I agree Ron - something about lever actions - I like the 1895 Winchester - probably because it is so unusual - but they are all great.
Very good explanation. I learned something. I have a Winchester 88 in .284 , I'm surprised that you have a .284 in a Savage 99. I didn't realize that was available. And your model 88 is in .308. I would have expected those two switched around.
They now make the BLR's in a take down version. Very cool little rifles. The take down helps with the cleaning and not messing up the gears.
Good point. Those are even better - although I never owned one.
Scrolled across this 3 years late but I noticed that you said the action is steel which is true on the older models like yours but the new lightweight 81’ is aluminum. I decided I needed to own own after watching my uncle roll a buck at 400+ yards with his BLR chambered in .284 win. I managed to get mine in 6.5 creedmoor and have had phenomenal accuracy results and reliability.
Another great no nonsense video. I have owned several BLR's and 99's. Have always seemed a pre 64 88. Currently only have one 1899 H carbine in 30-30 dating from 1926. It's in the "white" but a excellent shooter. Had it since 83, bought for $100. Love your videos, as always........ Thanks!!!
That 1899 H is a keeper - something about the 99 in 30-30; of course the action can take higher pressures but that 30-30 seems right. Glad you like the channel - I like making the videos and the people here are so great; actually true of all gun men and women I've had the privilege to meet. The very best to you for Christmas and the New Year!
And a very Merry Christmas to you sir!
You have one of the best you tube channels going you have a very nice collection I can’t believe all the lever guns you have all are beautiful I have to agree I think my favourite is the 1894 it’s a good looking carbine you sure do know a lot about these rifles also I think that Japanese products look really nice although most don’t like them as well as a USA rifle I would agree with you that they are very well put together I really love the history about these rifles especially the old ones but I do think that miruko is a great company great video
Thanks Jeff - I do my best; lots that I don't know : ) Miroku is a great maker - and the Winchesters remain the gold standard for levers. Marlins may be better to many; but I've been to a lot of remote places and people knew the name Winchester and they did not know the name Washington...or France. That says a lot. take care.
My model BLR has a flip-up hammer that acts as a firing pin block. These are sweet rifles.
It was a good idea to show the function on the Mauser.
Thank you so much for the great video. I’m so thrilled that my request became a reality.
Excellent suggestion - please send more.
USOG I’m not certain of what you own but a comparison of a Mauser 98 and a 1903 Springfield would be neat given the Springfield shares design with the Mauser. Another good comparison would be a Remington 700 vs Winchester 70.
+braydenpresber Both great ideas. I will make both! Thank you so much.
Or as Homer says, rack and peanut system.. I say steel and walnuts. Great video. Thanks
I wanted a nice lever in 308 and based on this video I picked up a mint condition Winchester 88 this week for $900 cdn. Can’t wait t get it to the range this week
Hi John, So difficult to find in high condition; people hunt these as you know. Congrats on your find and good shooting!
you wont be disappointed. My very first rifle was an 88 in .308, bought new in '67. It has served me well, in the Eastern big woods, pine woods of the South and in the mountains out west.
I definitely agree with you on selecting the model 88 as the best modern lever action. The Savage 99 locks up at the rear of the action and is therefore "springy" under firing stress allowing the cartridge to stretch. This may not affect the average shooter who does not reload, however, I do and is a primary consideration. The BLR is a nice rifle, but, I am a bit of a neo-luddite and prefer firearms that are more indicative of traditional materials and methods of construction and the nylon gears and aluminium barrel bands and receiver (on the newer models) rule this one out of my collection. Thank you for another superb video.
Hi Steve - thanks for the vote of confidence. I can be distracted by one or another feature of different guns but I try to remember the basic principles of firearms design. The 88 has it all - except popularity.
Very informational. Thank you very much!
Browning stock wood... all my... I notice you saying it is a custom one. Wonderfull.
Hi Luis - thanks and have a Happy Easter
I just live this guy
The Winchester '88 is a very well designed and constructed "old school"! Great rifle. Blued steel and walnut made by craftsmen with talent. What happened to those days? The Savage '99's also deserve note worthy comments. The 88 you are showing is a real beauty, love that stock.
Hi Denis - You're right - the Savage 99 is superb and they seem to last indefinitely - at least the actions do. Your post makes me think I should make a new video on the 99.
Thanks for the comment! -
Well, I have 2 of the 3. I have the Browning BLR in 7mm-08, Savage 99 in .303 Savage, but instead of the Winchester 88 (which I once looked for at one time but could not find one I could afford. After this video reminding me of it, I may have to look again), I also have the Marlin 336 in .35 Remington.
Lovely wood on that model 88. Have you got a Sako finnwolf ? I hear they were very good rifles, but expensive to make. There is something special about the Savage, another old world quality rifle.
I like all three but the 99 has my heart!
Excellent vid. I have a Savage 99 in .243 and it is simply wonderful. IMO it rivals the Sako Finnwolf.
I agree. The 99 is a diamond.
I love the model 88. I hunted with my 243 for years. Hands down the best to me. I'd like to get the 308 as well.
great video, just got an 88 for myself recently.
That's great. Not sure what you paid but you'll likely double your money.
I have a Savage model 99, rotary magazine. Mine has the removable barrel it is a 22savage. I have a box of the original 22hp cartridges. Great rifle for varmint hunting.
Hi Ken - You have one of the best rifles ever. You may know, the .22 Savage was such a hit - due to high velocity for its time - that people used it on tigers and all kinds of magnificent game. Of course, our of place in the tiger camp but still better than a .223 for deer - with its 70 grain bullets. All the best to you and thanks for the note.
Mike somehow I missed this viedo.
Wow what a great review.
But I'm stuck in pursuit of a Finwolf.
Your videos have cost me some real money. But I'm getting some wonderful rifles.
Getting back into firearms has been so much fun. Thank you
Bravo! One rarely loses over all on guns - they just keep going up in value. I lose on new ones tho haha. Glad you're on the channel and no matter what - guns are great! All the best to you!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you Sir.
I'm sure your very busy and taking the time to respond to my small note was very nice of you. I don't know if your aware of how much you sharing of your knowledge and passion means to folks like me.
Thank you
I have a 99 in 300 Savage. My blr is 30-06. They both have their uses
Outstanding video! Please keep them coming.
Thank you!
Enjoy your videos where are you located? Thanks for all your info on all your videos!keep them coming!
All three were pretty revolutionary and they each have their pros and cons. I may be mistaken but I always thought that at least some of the Belgian made BLR's were blued steel whereas the Japan models have aluminum alloy receivers with some sort of paint like coating. ?? I believe the BLR is the most modern design and it is definitely the smoothest action, but having said that I also prefer the model 88. It is an outstanding and seemingly unappreciated design. The model 99 was and remains a mechanical marvel. All fine weapons and fun to own. It is good to hear from another Model 88 fan. I dont think there are too many of us left. The 284 Winchester seems to be the holy grail of the model 88's.
Mike
I see a Lever action PCP airgun in the background on the Left. Is it a .9mm ? If so, I have one just like it. I even harvested a Deer with it with a 80 yard shot. Very cool...
Great review! Like the calm demeanor of your show! Please tell me where you found the front sling mount adapter on the BLR ? Thanks! Kind regards! Larry
Thank you! Here is a link.
www.midwayusa.com/product/1015392041
My favorite has always been the Browning BLR.
Chris
Great choice Chris
My 3 favorites ... great video
My daughter started hunting with my dad’s Win. 88 carbine in .243. Then I looked up what it is worth. 😎
What is it worth?
I have 2model 88 308 an
And 1 model 88 243 but have no idea what they are worth
@@deanh2811 lots of variables:
Pre or post 1964?
Rifle of carbine?
CALIBER?
Scoped?
How many magazines do you have?
Condition?
Answer all of these and start looking on Gun Broker and other auction sites to see not just what people are asking but what they are selling for.
I prefer leverguns, myself. I did not know the m88 was front locking though. It looks very long through the action to me. What is the overall length of the rifle?The barrel length? Thanks
Your channel is great. It's really awesome to see discussion on classic hunting rifles like those that I use and have grown up seeing. My Dad has always used his pre-64 88 and the first rifle I bought my wife was a BLR. For me, it's a Winchester 1895 in .30-40 Krag. Look forward to your future videos.
It is a rare thing to run into someone like you - choosing a 30-40 Krag 1895 over all the other rifles out there these days. I see that some people hunt with AR type rifles now - I get that - they are amazing machines; but I'd take a Model 94 or 1895 100 times out of 100 over the ARs. Silly me I suppose but I find meaning in the simpler things and ways, I think that is where we came from and how we got to where we are. I also don't mind missing sometimes. : )
USOG I'm with you. My first rifle was a 94 that I still take out occasionally. It was my Dad's first rifle as well.
I also have a BLR in .308 Win as well as a model 88 in .308 Win . My model 88 is a 1957 production with a lighter stain . I'd love a model 99 or a '81, in .358 Win .
I like my '81 in .358 - very accurate and recoil is tolerable. The light stain 88s are a lot of people's favorites.
Need compare falling block/high wall rifle , browning 1885 , high wall. Vs ruger no 1
The original BLR's are great. If you reload for them you must use small base dies otherwise you will get a stuck shell in the chamber which will require you to take it to a gunsmith as it is gear driven, and you will not be able to get it properly timed. Don't lose that mag. It's worth $300. I don't know about the new BLR's except the receivers are made of alum. which I really don't care for. I'm sure the Winchesters and Savages are equally as good. I have found that Browning stocks are too long for me. Remington fits me just fine.
I didn't know the mags are so expensive. I also prefer the steel receivers. I rarely use reloads except in bolt actions but I used to - always had a cleaning rod for the cases that needed coaxing to remove.
The BLR at first appeared to be clubby, and not traditional, but they grew on me. Now I find them appealing. I'll get one someday.
I have several that my friend teases me about having a transmission for an action. But those BLR's have accounted for taking elk and wild boar in the thumping. 358 Win.
Ok, you have the dream gun set with the 284 (in the 99, cool!) 358 Win BLR (you were right on point) and the 308 '88. For me especially if the BLR is in 270 and has had a trigger job done (don't want a match trigger, just less than a DA pistol) it would be my possibly 1 rifle. Then the Savage in 7mm-08, then the 88 in 284 (where it debuted). Honestly, as awesome as I find the 6.5x55 a 270 is still my end all be all. With the old Marlin 336 and the new Henry Long Ranger you would have a "full dream set". Saw some blokes saying US peeps all about the AR .... uh uh, throwing out sales to governments the Win 94 30-30 is the best selling CIVILIAN rifle of all time in the world, by MILLIONS. So We do like levers and hats off to Uberti, Browning, Henry and Marlin for keeping the faith.
Those levers...every one....classic, fast enough, instinctive, perfect in scabbard, rack or vault... you share wise words. As for the 6.5 vs .270 - I agree the .270 is the cat's pajamas - some of the shots I've made with the .270 are beyond belief - many believe it is the greatest cartridge of all time. This makes '06 believers cringe; which is really a father or son thing - seeing as the .270 is the '06 with a twist.
Plenty of stories, one thought I had for videos, we kids and grandkids stood Gramp's height at 5... so we took the sporterized 03 and put the "lucky pad" around the barrel for it to shoot well and made a denim and buckwheat hull pad to lengthen the pull and we "fringed" the 30-30 in the woods to camouflage it. The ol 06 worked in the Superior uplands and Dakotas.Still, would like another 270 as my 7mm Rem mag needs an inch more,or I need better hearing protection. Stupid trade.
I tested out my ironsights on my savage99f 308 and we were shooting a 4inch circle target at 150 yards and I was 1 inch away with every shot. I need a scope for better accuracy. I have my eyes an on a weaver scope to go with the lever rifle.
That would be an ideal combination. I like the post reticle in the Weaver but they are not easy to locate. Anyway, at 150 with irons your results can only mean : excellent rifle and shooters.
Dalan , I have 2 Savage 99 , 1 is C the other E , I have never shot the E ! I bought the c it had only fired 3 shots, (a rental rifle) Michigan 1965 , soon as I could I mounted a 1.5/4.5 scope, always carry it at 1.5 because if your target is close, like under 50yds, you want to see something beside the deer ! Have turned it up to 4 at last light on a dark day , just in case , but never used it there ! 3 or 4 power scope on running animals in wooded or close quarters is USELESS!! I also mounted it on a tip off mount , (tipped it off hundreds of times & never had to re-zero)so that if hunting in fog or snow storm, I can tip it off and use my iron sights, because either case though the scope looks like a white sheet at the end of the barrel ! As the man said I have had to repair the stock @ the rear tang , so if yours is not chipped or cracked there carefully give it a few .000
clearance & as has been pointed out shoot different ammunitions to see what shoots best groups , & always hunting ammo ! I like 165 g Federal Premium ! Also go to GunBlue 490 & Therealgunsmith they discuss hunting ammo ! Good luck !
liked your pitch for a 300 blk m1 carbine... my wish list would also have manufacturers like Browning NOT FAILING to keep magazines like for my pre-81 BLR in production or at least make a big enough stockpile every 10 yrs to keep their older customers from feeling abandoned
Hi David, that's a great thing to mention. Also the Tikka 65/55 and actually many others....why they don't keep making mags for their own rifles is a mystery.
The BLR was more impressive to me than the Winchester 88, except for your 88's beautiful stock. The Savage 99 was always more of a working gun for less money.
On a side note, Henry is now producing a lever rifle in 270Win, I haven't actually held one of them yet. I didn't know if you'd seen one yet but since Henry rifles are fairly smooth, I'd bet their new 270 is a good gun also. Take care!
I came close to the same conclusion Paul - the BLR is something. I'll find a Henry - can't wait to see what's what.
USOG - I think it's called the Long Ranger or something like that.
@@paulsimmons5726 Yep, you've got the name right.
It's available in typical short action calibers, i.e. .308 Winchester, .243, .223/5.56mm, and 6.5mm Creedmoor.
I would go for a Savage but with the rotary magazine.
Yeah, I am back. I never considered my self a lever action man, but I just keep running into them. I picked up a model 88 in .284 that needs some work. I now have a couple Marlin receivers and parts laying around. For a couple years I have 99 Savage receivers and parts laying around. I have just been too busy to work on them. Maybe I missed it in the video, what caliber is the 99C you have? Is it a .358? I have an early Featherweight in .358 and it really rocks you. I never owned one or worked on one. Does it look like they strengthened the receiver for the magazine cutout? I have an old style in .243 and the extraction gets "Stickey" even with some factory loads that are too hot. This is the receiver "Springing", a problem with rear locking guns. I would think cutting the bottom out would really weaken it.
Where did you get the custom stock for the 88? It looks great.
A custom gunmaker made it for me.
USOG any guess on the cost?
MPI made a fibreglass stock for the 88, I've got one on my 308. Boyd's do a laminated stock but mine split using 180grainers.
The Model 88 is a very fine rifle, been on the hunt for one for a few years now. A .284 would be awesome, regardless of stock quality.
Like yours, the stock can be upgraded.
Cool, informative vid!
Ps- I've got a Sav 99 in .300 that was my Great-Grandfather's. Was my first deer rifle when I was a teen. Pre-War, with the brass rotary mag, and the counter. Slick rifle, but I keep it in the safe now.
I own a 243,and two 308’s model 88
My favorite gun video...thanks. Old school, wood stocks, bluing, peep sights. No tactical weapons, large capacity magazines designed for shooting people.
It is really a shame that the Model 88 and the Finnwolf weren't more popular. I have a feeling that they were just ahead of their time. I have hunted with a Model 88 - .308. It was a really fine rifle. I have experience with the Finnwolf too. An even better rifle. I owned a Belgian BLR - .308. Now I want a Finnwolf but would rather have it chambered in 260 Rem. I just like the BC and SD of 6.5mm bullets better than 7.62mm bullets. I have a tack driver 6.5x55 SE K98 action Mauser that I love. I would love a CZ 6.5 Grendel model 527 with iron sights. Actually I would love a Finnwolf with a really short action in 6.5 Grendel and 10 round magazines. The ultimate all purpose rifle for me. I don't live in grizzly country.
Another great video. Bit of a Savage 99 fan myself.
Thanks Peter!
Great info. Many thanks. Went to a gun show today in Vero Beach. Doing my reconnaissance. :-)
Totally off topic to your video but have you ever heard or seen a Monitor 12 gauge single break open shotgun. I can't find anything about it and can't ask my grandfather, but it's been with us since the 60s
Hi Trace, I think I remember that name from an auction - please send a pic somehow and I'll do my best to identify. I think it was a trade name - could have been an H&R product.
Sako Finnwolf or did you say Finnwalt , never saw one before , what calibers do they come in / & price
Hello my friend, it's been a while. Where to begin... three great rifles. In my view the Browning is by far the strongest action. That rack and pinion is a strong beast. Given that, it is the reason why it is able to be chambered in larger calibers than the other two. It's nice that the whole trigger group drops with the lever, leaving it easy to clean. I believe they were also made in take down models, a BIG plus. Now for the one big difference the BLR has the others do not. An exposed hammer. Depending on your personal preference this may or may not be a plus. Yes you are able to de-cock the rifle while it's loaded. But on the other hand if the hammer was struck a serious blow it's possible, not likely, but theoretically possible for the hammer to strike the firing pin by overriding the sear. But all in all this is a sleek good looking rifle that handles very well. But as you said, it is NOT the gun for the inexperienced to take apart.
Next up to compare is the wonderful Winchester 88. Strong and tough like a German 88 field gun, you won't get much in the way of dissent from me on this one. Beautifully crafted and executed this one is a gem. Very sleek, it looks much the same as the model 100 auto. There is no exposed hammer on the 88 as it is a more modern design. It could be had in a few interesting chamberings but I think it's strong suit is great looks, slick action, sleek appearance, fast handling and strong action.
And lastly, the good old Savage M - 99. Auther Savage really showed his genius when he desig the 99. A very stout and strong action that locks up tight as a drum is used. However that really only applies to the chamberings that were initially used up to the late 1940's. Then it was chambered for the .308 Win. Not a bad thing, but the old Savage design is at the very top of it's performance range to handle the pressure of the .308 cartridge. It's about as far as the 99 can go, and even then in my opinion handloading for it is cautionary. But an absolutely beautiful and impressive design, which came in a gazillion different variations.
You say you didn't include the wonderful Sako Finnwolf because it isn't American made, well like you mentioned neither is the BLR. And if I could choose one I'd go with a Belgian made BLR, although the 88 would be running neck and neck. If it was a pre 64 of course! All the best, be safe.
Hi Bob, Measured comments - thank you - from experience one can tell. I agree with everything you wrote - they're all excellent. I wonder which one you would pick if you could own only one.