I think this raises the importance of DPS in a way now that flanking supports is the way to go if you want a Mauga dead. Characters like Echo and Junkrat have consistent one-shot combos and flanking ability to take down annoying Kiris and LW.
@@ageometrydashlevel9830 Excepted there is currently no reliable dps that can take down supports pocketing each other, some flankers that are designed to counter supports get counter by supports instead. Echo can be shot down by hitscan or Illari and Bap, Junkrat and "consistency" is not a combo I would use together. The skill required to counter Mauga right now is just too one-sided.
@@favlam1408 Currently, DPS fights up front with Mauga because they typically run characters that can benefit from Cardiac, so enemy DPS is out of the question most of the time. Junkrat, Echo, Tracer, Sombra, or any other flankers can use off-angles that enable them to get behind enemy supports. Certain characters have one-shots that happen so fast that the supports die even before IF or Cleanse are used.
@@ageometrydashlevel9830 Out of all the list, I can see Tracer being the most effective against supports, but there are a lot of supports with vertical mobility, can get out of her range, or two shots her. Widow and Hanzo can be shut down by flankers, so it's a moot point. As far as I see it, flankers shut down snipers, supports shut down flankers. Plus, the skill required to play snipers and flankers versus Mauga and his team going brrrrrr is like night and day.
I feel like Mauga will be an unbalanceble character because of the way he works he will either be oppressive for other tanks or weak against most, he is stronger against bigger character so it will make him strong against tanks but if you nerf him because of that then he will suffer against smaller characters, the worst part is that I dont really see a way to balance this.
As the game grows and adds more, especially tanks. Balance goes out the window and that never comes back. They don't have a good grasp on it already but that is okay. Most games like this know they cannot so they purposefully balance characters they want to see in play more. League of Legends for example will do things like nerf beloved characters for some dumb reason but when pro season is around the corner? Suddenly the Lee Sin who got nerfed for no reason gets crazy good buffs because they know he is a favorite among pro players and needs to be good for pro plays. This will happen if Blizzard takes their cue and goes with that flow. Though with OWL dead maybe it will not be as pronounced.
Mauga doesn't need balance, all characters need to be buffed to his level for balance. For example Ana needs 3 sleep darts that never refill until completely empty. Once empty she recharges another 3 instantly upon death or after 10secs from running completely out. Widowmaker needs free swing like Hammond and the ability to hang from walls and ledges like a spider. Farah and Mercy should have free flight modes with cool downs. Mei's ice slide emote needs to become a mobility ability with cooldown for quick escapes.
Yeah he doesn't need a nerf or a buff he needs a full rework. Idk whose idea it was to put a second bastion except ten times tankier into the game, but it wasn't a good one
10:26 Flats discovering there's no bottom to Mauga's cage LMAO. During Mauga's Blizzcon weekend, me and a friend found that if you fall a significant amount below the cage, the chain will break and you are free, but we were only able to do it with the cage near a ledge, and lifting it up with Lifeweaver's petal. They apparently took away LW lifting the cage after its been placed down with Mauga's season release, but LW can place the petal first and Mauga can place the cage on it in the air, and when the petal breaks the cage will drop down on whoever is there
Old players to new players: Don't only shoot tanks because they are easy to sustain and shooting Squishies gets picks and wins team fights. Blizzard: *designs a tank that both teams must be perma focused on until either he dies or you die😂😭*
nah still tho, you would want to pick off the supports first. In my encounters with mauga, i find the strategy where the tank would distract the enemy team while the dps flanks the supports to be the best strategy against him. Dude just wont die if you focus all your damage on him, granted that your team's outgoing damage is not a lot. What if your teams damage lower than the enemy team? that happens a lot and mauga would just absolutely obliterate your ass.@@eligreg99
Im not saying orisa is op by any means but her gold form is worse, maui can get you out of certain situations with a crumb of skill or foresight (for example running before enemy cage fight because you can't use overrun during it) but orisa can keep shooting during hers and just pop it whenever as well as get extra health so in some scenarios she basically takes no damage at all
There’s no bigger feeling of relief in this game right now than the one you get when you see the enemy tank isn’t Mauga. That said, I enjoy seeing him when I’m in a sweaty game. I’m bad at the game but I made it to plat with widow/torb. Seeing an enemy mauga roll my team makes me feel less alone in being bad at this game
If you are able to get their backline, the tank usually swaps. Ofc Mauga is always going to be picked because the OW community always plays the new character to death.
Exactly, I was playing Winton into Mauga and I could almost do nothing. Didn’t help that my team wouldn’t dive with me, they were only shooting Mauga whose health wasn’t going down at all because of a Weaver who I would try to dive. Had to always prematurely dip before confirming the kill. Sure that can be an issue with mistiming Monke but Mauga just shrinks that timing where you can’t make value. Every time I play Mauga it feels really fun but definitely broken against other tanks. My opinion is the other tanks should be buffed more than Mauga being nerfed because I like playing against him with other roles, he’s just not balanced against tanks.
Throwaway season. Gotta get that battle pass money, so they make the most oppressive character the game has ever had. Come next season (hopefully, they’ll nerf this trash into the mediocre slot and at least make him 1v1-able by something other than himself
@@sayonfoxx8862to me that's just so sad and shows how bad this game has gotten. Take a hero like monkey or Doom which has amazing skill expression and render them useless to a tank that simply shoots the other tank 🙄
@@wusaint Yup, I hate it. I loved Winton’s new buff of ignoring armor but it literally does nothing if you get instantly zoned out. The only tank I’ve seen that can hold ground to Mauga is JQ so far. My big issue is I like Mauga, I think it’s fun not to explode instantly. But if I want to play anything other than Mauga I just go back to classic tank for the last few seasons of turn a corner and poof. I thought the video that… was it Jay3, where the team shares a health pool really helped show the issue with burst damage and healing in its current state. I think supports are important but shouldn’t be harder to kill than the tank. Ana and Bap are the main two I have in mind. It’s the same a lot of the sups though, that’s why I’ve started on my Lucio binge. Lucio is the weakest sup in my opinion. Not cause he’s bad, just cause every other support is overblown. I feel like I have a lot to improve on with Lucio compared to the others.
@@sayonfoxx8862I AGREE imo tanks need buffs, zarya needs a rework same for dva and ball BUT the other tanks should get buffed, orisas CD imo should be a little bit higher tho.
@@cheeseman_jones depends on what you mean. He has less dps than Bastion turret form, but even if you're only hitting body shots he has more overall dps than Bastion because his absurdly high dps ability isn't on a 10 second cooldown like Bastion's
@snipingway lol he should be fun. This is what the tank players complaining about the role wanted. Well, now they've got a tank that is super durable and can secure their own kills.
@@DontBeBad Honestly probably just gonna play quick play anyway there is gonna be a soft reset on ranks next season so probably just best to wait till next season
It's amazing how the game really has just devolved into "Which Mauga/Ana/Kiri fucked up?" And if no one manages to fuck up, you're just holding "shoot" into each other until one of you does... So fun.
@@Kevin-xq2tvyeah he only feels tanky when you have that tank to just blast into for all the healing and health but once you have to actually target a squishy they're too small to hit consistently and you have to only shoot one at a time thus making any survivability a lot less to small targets
Mauga shreds Bastion without a Support helping him. Burning crits on a big DPS hitbox plus healing from Cardiac Overdrive makes Bastion explode even when in Turret Mode.@@Kevin-xq2tv
@@MeisterSchwabbo its incredibly clunky to hit and it leaves rein open to counterplay cause you gotta hit a wall, giving it cc immunity wouldnt break the game i promise you
Did you know Mauga completely counters Rein pin. Not only does it boop rein out of the way, it knocks down Rein, without disrupting Mauga at all even during a counterpin.
I hope Blizzard makes a setting where I can specifically reduce sound effect of Mauga, it feels like something is hammering inside my head when there is 1 Mauga, then when there are 2 Mauga and 2 Bastion, its like what is sound...why is sound... 😰😰
they gave bastion the doomfist passive by just hitting his shots, then said "what if we gave him an ability that gives him a better reaper passive? and make him by far the highest damaging tank in the game.. and make half his health pool armor... seems healthy."
Maybe if they made it to where you can only shoot 1 gun at a time except in his ult where u can shoot both? He only really seems broken when hes really close to you because of the raw damage and self healing.
I just played a match as roadhog, I’m a good hog player, I’ve played since ow 1 came out. Mauga just sprints up SHREADS me to pieces in about 2 seconds, he’s broken as fuck and it’s insulting that Blizzard thinks that’s acceptable to put behind a paywall
Flats unironically throwing in Helltaker music 3/4ths of the way when the fight gets tougher/interesting without the mirror makes this so much better. 😄
I think they made him broken on purpose so that it pushes us all to buy him and not feel left out. After enough time goes by I think they will switch to not needing to buy him.
@@dylanstanfill2897Yeah but F2P players only just started getting him the last ~week or so, meaning no practice using him in any matchups throughout QP in the season/before he got into comp
@@dylanstanfill2897get to lvl 45 in battle pass of the current season. Each level is like 5000 xp i think. 45×5000= 225,000 xp You can get at most 15,000 once per day from the dailies. Or 15 days. On average a match earns you 100xp [+50 per win] 20%extra if in a group. You're putting in at least 30 minutes a day So lets give a nice 50/50 metric. 5 matches per day. 3 wins, 2 lost. 650 xp+15,000 and youre alone. 15,650 xp per day and it takes less than an hour. You would still put 14.3 days worth. Winning a majority of your matches didnt do much. Lets add a friend! 20% of 650 adds a bonus 130xp. 225,000/15,780= 14.25------ Its still two weeks of grinding with dailies Friendly 20% boost and A 60% winrate. Unless i did the math wrong. If you win all 5 daily matches You get 750 Add 20% [150] 900 225k÷15,900=14.15---- You could win every game, with a friend, finish your 3 dailies And still take two weeks. But you save 1 whole daily challenge cycle
@@skeechymeechy5896 I mean he's free because he's not a premium reward. I have him and I've never spent anything on the game. I dunno, it wasn't a big deal to me, but I'm a casual player and not a high skill ranked player. Best I've ranked is gold and at that level, you can play whatever really. Before I got him I'd just play Orisa or Sigma into him and do fine. Either way, it wasn't long after the battle pass came out that I got to him on it, maybe like a week or so and I don't even play that much, free of charge.
It's crazy to me that an OW2 hero needs a rework 2 weeks after being released. If this was OW1 with 2 tanks, he would be so fun. As one tank, he just doesnt work... Like, obviously he would need to be toned back, but just imagine him with Rein or with Zarya, or with a Sig. It would actually work. As one tank, what do you do besides just stand there?
Damage is a dead role, they should’ve done 2-1-2 since the release of OW2. Open queue genuinely feels like a more balanced experience in Masters+, since almost everyone understands what combos have been good over the years.
In well-ranked open queue games you’ll likely get zero or just 1 damage player. 2-3 tanks with 2-3 supports feels pretty good. Although I’m quite sure a solid LW, Kiri, Ana + Mauga, Sigma would obliterate balance.
*releases already broken mauga* Dev 1: we’ll tone back his damage slightly 1 week later Dev 1:We must buff mauga again! Make him invincible! Dev 2: isn’t he already kind of invincible? Dev 1: make him more invincible! *pats themselves on the back* *gives each other Christmas bonuses for their hard work*
my new favorite strat i like to call the "im not in here with you your in here with me" when an enemy mauga ults i (as torb) run into it and ult my self they will refuse to leave their ult bubble and burn an die. prob dont work in higher ranks ill emit but it works really well if nothing else it makes them have to waste ult basically
Mauga is absolutely infuriating to have on a team as a support. You literally sit there and dunk 90% of heals into him, if you look away for a second he gets shredded and dies.
Sorry you can't waste time on doing minimal DPS rather than healing. Imagine a DPS saying "I hate having to deal DPS to their tank" lmao it's your job big fella
Quick Question: Maugas right gun is the one that crits when the enemy is on fire. Does it make sense to still aim for the head and do even more "critical" damage, or is the crit damage the same everywhere? My gut says that headshots do more, but I have no clue. Thanks in advance. :)
I havn't gotten on Overwatch 2 yet. at 1:04.... does reloading reset his cooldowns?!?!? I watched longer and he didnt cooldown reset. Does suzu reset cooldowns?
How to counter mauga : kill healers 5v3 mauga Your welcome. Even if mauga is here remember a simple pick change everything a dps a healer just one pick is enough to change the balance that the same process of every heroes in the past a simple pick
It’s kind of like either choosing to get kicked in the nuts over and over and over and feel all of the pain or get smacked in the face and feel none of the pain from the smack but all of the pain from the whiplash
Make his chain guns have a wind up to max speed, with slow firing being basically a laser up to its current speed being about as accurate as it is now. This would help him duel small targets easier while keeping his insta delete power to close range tanks in check
Mei's wall seems to be one of the most effective ways to counter Mauga. It's giant, has tons of health, and the sheer size can effectively block LoS of his healers unless they have high ground, were off angling, or can get over the wall quickly (Bap and Kiri for example). It was in QP, but I had a match last night where the enemy Hog would hook me in and then Mei would wall behind me, and it was basically a free trip back to my team's spawn. Watching the replay after I think I should have charged past them to get behind the enemy team, creating some distance and hopefully giving me a chance to heal a bit with my E. Her ult lobbed into an enemy Mauga's ult can also completely turn Mauga's ult against him if the enemy Mauga can't cancel and charge away in time. I do think Mauga needs a bit more tuning and I can totally agree his biggest issue right now is he basically forces the meta for both teams, but folks are figuring out how to counter him decently enough that I think, with a bit more time, he'll still be a threat but not the complete slam dunk he can appear to be. He's still very predicated on playing around cover unless he's being pocketed, and if the enemy has an Ana and neither of your team's supports swap to Kiri, Mauga's gonna have a bad time.
Devs: what if we just combined the most OP parts of almost everyone’s kits into one hero…. Shift: rein charge covered in orisa gold, followed by a larger damaging ball slam that has the chance to apply rein shatter effect. Primary/secondary fire: sets people on fire like dynamite and has the fire rate of bastion turret form. E: reaper life steal with negated dmg like hog take a breather and also applies to teammates like baps shift. Ultimate: sym shield that removes any useful ability from enemies inside of it that gives mooga the unlimited ammo that even exists well after mooga is dead. Who could’ve thought that he could potentially be over powered. Yeah let’s nerf Ana nade cause brain dead players can’t count the cool down or refuse to stand by natural cover…
I'm actually done with overwat h until he's nerfed. I don't have the battle pass and it feels like any other tank can't fight against him unless your team has an Ana and even then all they need is kiri. And you can't just ignore him either because he'll just shred you. I played 3 games yesterday and I straight up couldn't play. I saw him sand in hanzos dragon and come out with basically full hp, it's so awful I hate this hero.
Comp on console (in masters and low GM) almost always devolves into a mauga mirror right now. I love ball and would much rather play him but Mauga bullies him and every other tank so hard that it’s not even fun 😭
It's almost like if you take a a counter-pick-or-lose hero for low to mid-tier play and buff them for no reason they become OP and boring all around. There have definitely been heroes that are worse in terms of design for themself, but Mauga is literally the perfection combination of all awful for everyone in a match *especially* in mirror match ups. As Tank, you essentially lose all agency in in actually winning a fight against him because your supps are the only ones with direct counters UNLESS you decide to play him too in which case your gameplay is fucking braindead and still based on how good/what your supports are. As DPS you have no agency at all anywhere in the equation because basically no DPS has an actual direct counter. If it's a Mauga mirror, every DPS is basically playing a 2v2 instead of a 5v5 because your only job is going to being either diving enemy supps or peeling for your own. (Despite that you're getting zero heals unless you can do it yourself because your Mauga WILL combust as soon as they take their eye off him) And finally as a Supp you pick *must* have Ana, and either Kiri or Zen depending on the binary of whether you have a Mauga or not. Unless you want to lose in which case fuck it, pick whatever. I'm genuinely not surprised the devs teased him in 2019, because there is no fucking world any sane person would look at Mauga's design even on paper and think "Yes. This. This is fit for 5v5"
I heard that Maui was originally supposed to have a flame thrower and grenade launcher. The incompetence of the devs is astounding they literally have tf2 as a outline and still manage to fail. Demo? Pyro? And tank in one role? The potential could have been crazy maybe give him a 200 round/tick flame thrower that ticks for 10 damage per second then the grenade launcher should only have 4 shots in it and is like junks c4 but it acts as a finisher instead of a combo tool.
The guy without a shirt has more armor than the guy in a suit of armor
Samoans are built different.
To be fair he's basically a cyber psycho from cyberpunk so his skins probably tougher than regular armor 😂
@@SeanLikeRice Weakest Samoan vs strongest German
@@totem311Real
the only armor a man needs is his own muscles
I thought Comp couldn't get any more demoralizing and depressing, but Mauga in comp makes it unbearable.
I think this raises the importance of DPS in a way now that flanking supports is the way to go if you want a Mauga dead. Characters like Echo and Junkrat have consistent one-shot combos and flanking ability to take down annoying Kiris and LW.
@@ageometrydashlevel9830 Excepted there is currently no reliable dps that can take down supports pocketing each other, some flankers that are designed to counter supports get counter by supports instead. Echo can be shot down by hitscan or Illari and Bap, Junkrat and "consistency" is not a combo I would use together.
The skill required to counter Mauga right now is just too one-sided.
@@favlam1408 Currently, DPS fights up front with Mauga because they typically run characters that can benefit from Cardiac, so enemy DPS is out of the question most of the time. Junkrat, Echo, Tracer, Sombra, or any other flankers can use off-angles that enable them to get behind enemy supports. Certain characters have one-shots that happen so fast that the supports die even before IF or Cleanse are used.
@@ageometrydashlevel9830 Out of all the list, I can see Tracer being the most effective against supports, but there are a lot of supports with vertical mobility, can get out of her range, or two shots her.
Widow and Hanzo can be shut down by flankers, so it's a moot point.
As far as I see it, flankers shut down snipers, supports shut down flankers.
Plus, the skill required to play snipers and flankers versus Mauga and his team going brrrrrr is like night and day.
@@favlam1408 No? Even in high level play supports often get shut down by flankers.
Mauga mirror matches puts me to sleep..
How I feel when every open que game is just both teams go mauga only. First few days cool,meme, but open que is that only now for me.
welcome to one tank. The game that flats complains about but thinks it healthy for the game.
@@clashingimagesright because we never had must pick tank mirrors in OW1, lol
Just go zarya and it’s gg for mauga.
No self heals and high charge dps goes crazy
@@Rank1PeakJerkmateChampionUmmm...no?
I feel like Mauga will be an unbalanceble character because of the way he works he will either be oppressive for other tanks or weak against most, he is stronger against bigger character so it will make him strong against tanks but if you nerf him because of that then he will suffer against smaller characters, the worst part is that I dont really see a way to balance this.
maybe calculate bullets needed to ignite by the character's max hp?
@@jammyweegit1144 That sounds like a good way for blizzard to break a lot of current systems
As the game grows and adds more, especially tanks. Balance goes out the window and that never comes back. They don't have a good grasp on it already but that is okay. Most games like this know they cannot so they purposefully balance characters they want to see in play more.
League of Legends for example will do things like nerf beloved characters for some dumb reason but when pro season is around the corner? Suddenly the Lee Sin who got nerfed for no reason gets crazy good buffs because they know he is a favorite among pro players and needs to be good for pro plays.
This will happen if Blizzard takes their cue and goes with that flow. Though with OWL dead maybe it will not be as pronounced.
Mauga doesn't need balance, all characters need to be buffed to his level for balance. For example Ana needs 3 sleep darts that never refill until completely empty. Once empty she recharges another 3 instantly upon death or after 10secs from running completely out. Widowmaker needs free swing like Hammond and the ability to hang from walls and ledges like a spider. Farah and Mercy should have free flight modes with cool downs. Mei's ice slide emote needs to become a mobility ability with cooldown for quick escapes.
Yeah he doesn't need a nerf or a buff he needs a full rework. Idk whose idea it was to put a second bastion except ten times tankier into the game, but it wasn't a good one
10:26 Flats discovering there's no bottom to Mauga's cage LMAO. During Mauga's Blizzcon weekend, me and a friend found that if you fall a significant amount below the cage, the chain will break and you are free, but we were only able to do it with the cage near a ledge, and lifting it up with Lifeweaver's petal. They apparently took away LW lifting the cage after its been placed down with Mauga's season release, but LW can place the petal first and Mauga can place the cage on it in the air, and when the petal breaks the cage will drop down on whoever is there
Glorious
Old players to new players:
Don't only shoot tanks because they are easy to sustain and shooting Squishies gets picks and wins team fights.
Blizzard: *designs a tank that both teams must be perma focused on until either he dies or you die😂😭*
I agree if you don’t focus him at the start of the fight he will literally never die
nah still tho, you would want to pick off the supports first. In my encounters with mauga, i find the strategy where the tank would distract the enemy team while the dps flanks the supports to be the best strategy against him. Dude just wont die if you focus all your damage on him, granted that your team's outgoing damage is not a lot. What if your teams damage lower than the enemy team? that happens a lot and mauga would just absolutely obliterate your ass.@@eligreg99
@@eligreg99and that’s fine, most games I walk mauga we just killed his team and he kept retreating.. I was ball it was a diamond lobby.
@@KingAlkazarW DIAMOND BALL PLAYER (all balls are W)
@@truckmuncher8998That sounded weird
2 Maugas fighting feels like a tank battle, but its actually just about who has the better Ana. Tank experience.
honestly mauga being immune to mei and sig ult just because you save a 6 second cooldown is insane
orisa can do the same thing though
@@raymondtomas2294exactly
@@raymondtomas2294 and eveyone hates orisa for that exact reason. Point still stands
@@raymondtomas2294 except Orisa doesn't have two fucking chainguns to instantly melt you after she gets out of the ult.
Im not saying orisa is op by any means but her gold form is worse, maui can get you out of certain situations with a crumb of skill or foresight (for example running before enemy cage fight because you can't use overrun during it) but orisa can keep shooting during hers and just pop it whenever as well as get extra health so in some scenarios she basically takes no damage at all
im gonna be honest, fighting against orisa doesnt seem so bad after getting solo ulted on doom by mauga 10 times within three games
I actually find playing against orissa more fair then mauga as doom
damn now when i play everytime i see orisa instead of mauga i feel like im blessedby god
Well, a Mauga 1v1 seems more pointless than a Moira 1v1 😂
You kidding me? The skill expression in Moira gameplay is overwhelming.
The skill is not to blue ball
The best healers kill the enemy first
There’s no bigger feeling of relief in this game right now than the one you get when you see the enemy tank isn’t Mauga.
That said, I enjoy seeing him when I’m in a sweaty game. I’m bad at the game but I made it to plat with widow/torb. Seeing an enemy mauga roll my team makes me feel less alone in being bad at this game
Couldn't have said it better
If ur bad just uninstall, do everyone a favor! Lol!
@DeathhAngel1 I do hope you're joking because that's toxic asf but if it's satirical well played
@@DeathhAngel1 frfr people that say that deserve an enemy mauga every game
If you are able to get their backline, the tank usually swaps. Ofc Mauga is always going to be picked because the OW community always plays the new character to death.
mauga looks like he inhales crayon and snorts glue
When the only thing that dictates him dying usually is a cooldown, thats a problem lol.
Why tf did this show up here it was for another comment
Gonna go ahead and say when the tank has more damage than both DPS combined he might be a touch broken.
Almost all that damage is from only shooting the tank and no one else.
@@CROSSFADE69 ok? Supports still have to heal that though
@@CROSSFADE69and what does it say about his character design that he has to shoot the tank all the time
@@tiggle5485and that he only has to constantly focus the tank when the other side is another Mauga
Playing with and against mauga is not very engaging until they make it so shooting the other tank is not the best thing you can do as him
Exactly, I was playing Winton into Mauga and I could almost do nothing. Didn’t help that my team wouldn’t dive with me, they were only shooting Mauga whose health wasn’t going down at all because of a Weaver who I would try to dive. Had to always prematurely dip before confirming the kill. Sure that can be an issue with mistiming Monke but Mauga just shrinks that timing where you can’t make value.
Every time I play Mauga it feels really fun but definitely broken against other tanks. My opinion is the other tanks should be buffed more than Mauga being nerfed because I like playing against him with other roles, he’s just not balanced against tanks.
Throwaway season. Gotta get that battle pass money, so they make the most oppressive character the game has ever had. Come next season (hopefully, they’ll nerf this trash into the mediocre slot and at least make him 1v1-able by something other than himself
@@sayonfoxx8862to me that's just so sad and shows how bad this game has gotten. Take a hero like monkey or Doom which has amazing skill expression and render them useless to a tank that simply shoots the other tank 🙄
@@wusaint Yup, I hate it. I loved Winton’s new buff of ignoring armor but it literally does nothing if you get instantly zoned out. The only tank I’ve seen that can hold ground to Mauga is JQ so far.
My big issue is I like Mauga, I think it’s fun not to explode instantly. But if I want to play anything other than Mauga I just go back to classic tank for the last few seasons of turn a corner and poof. I thought the video that… was it Jay3, where the team shares a health pool really helped show the issue with burst damage and healing in its current state. I think supports are important but shouldn’t be harder to kill than the tank.
Ana and Bap are the main two I have in mind. It’s the same a lot of the sups though, that’s why I’ve started on my Lucio binge. Lucio is the weakest sup in my opinion. Not cause he’s bad, just cause every other support is overblown. I feel like I have a lot to improve on with Lucio compared to the others.
@@sayonfoxx8862I AGREE imo tanks need buffs, zarya needs a rework same for dva and ball BUT the other tanks should get buffed, orisas CD imo should be a little bit higher tho.
going against mauga as doomfist after 4 months no play is like using Q tips to break a tungsten wall
"How do you kill a bastion...with an ana pocket?"
-MAUGA
That's it, that's all it takes.
I actually hate how he can out dps a pocketed bastion it's so bs
@cheeseman_jones I don't think he can out dps a pocketed bastion, but he definitely beats him in a fight 100% of the time.
@@opnadeone4416 you'd be surprised
@@cheeseman_jones depends on what you mean. He has less dps than Bastion turret form, but even if you're only hitting body shots he has more overall dps than Bastion because his absurdly high dps ability isn't on a 10 second cooldown like Bastion's
Mauga should have 400 ammo, but a 4 second reload. Open up a single open of opportunity.
He needs a full rework. He genuinely ruins my experience as a tank main.
I love how flats just enjoys the character so much and even though the character is broken flats makes him look fun instead of boring
Have you forgotten? It's never boring around Mauga
Mauga mirror is fun, no mechanical skill, no Game sense, shoot your stupid guns to the enemy until one dies, is just so funny to me
I have a lot of fun playing Mauga tbh. I'm not a tank player though, so I guess he's fun to me because he's just a big dps.
@snipingway lol he should be fun. This is what the tank players complaining about the role wanted. Well, now they've got a tank that is super durable and can secure their own kills.
@@NextroyerIDyou are the perfect consumer
Nothing like Ana and Kiri becoming even more of a must pick 😅
I am so glad I am not home for a few weeks so I don’t have to play comp with this hero being broken.
Man I’m arriving back home today and I have to deal with Mauga, i wish I got that 1 extra week without playing against Mauga
@@DontBeBad Honestly probably just gonna play quick play anyway there is gonna be a soft reset on ranks next season so probably just best to wait till next season
The pure panic while hanging was beautiful lol
Mauga givin flats the true bronze experience where no one ever dies ever lmao.
When the enemy team has an active support pumping heals into EVERYTHING you shoot, that's some tasty bronze rage
It's amazing how the game really has just devolved into "Which Mauga/Ana/Kiri fucked up?"
And if no one manages to fuck up, you're just holding "shoot" into each other until one of you does...
So fun.
I love queuing up into Mauga mirrors and not thinking for 10 min, this tank is a blast
mauga player has fun but the rest of the team just feels miserable
@@garochompo5454eh soldier melts him same for bastion his head is huge
@@Kevin-xq2tvyeah he only feels tanky when you have that tank to just blast into for all the healing and health but once you have to actually target a squishy they're too small to hit consistently and you have to only shoot one at a time thus making any survivability a lot less to small targets
Mauga shreds Bastion without a Support helping him. Burning crits on a big DPS hitbox plus healing from Cardiac Overdrive makes Bastion explode even when in Turret Mode.@@Kevin-xq2tv
You look at this and then you look at doom and ball. The amount of work they have to do to be remotly as strong and oppressive is insane.
As a ball main, after mauga got buffed again I just went back to playing mk1 alot theres literally no point
Mauga charge feels 10X better to use than most other abilites for me.
Because it’s immune to cc that’s why it feels so good
understood
Because it's immune to cc, basically rein pin without anything to stop it
@@nickymilly9900rein can oneshot a full hp squishy...
@@MeisterSchwabbo its incredibly clunky to hit and it leaves rein open to counterplay cause you gotta hit a wall, giving it cc immunity wouldnt break the game i promise you
The funny thing about this is that if we didn't have ana nade, ow games would just be two maugas pumping ammo into themselves into infinite overtime.
They took the cancer of goats and gave it all to one hero.
Did you know Mauga completely counters Rein pin. Not only does it boop rein out of the way, it knocks down Rein, without disrupting Mauga at all even during a counterpin.
yea noticed that too complete dumb design but what ya gonna do
I was playing with a mauga in comp and when we won he typed in chat "Broke" because the other tank didn't have mauga 😭😭😭😭
Lmfaoooo
Please watch his health bar at 3:14
This should not even be possible good lord this tank is so busted and support creep is absurd
Seems very similar to Raum from Paladins. Have we come full circle on clones?
I hope Blizzard makes a setting where I can specifically reduce sound effect of Mauga, it feels like something is hammering inside my head when there is 1 Mauga, then when there are 2 Mauga and 2 Bastion, its like what is sound...why is sound... 😰😰
they gave bastion the doomfist passive by just hitting his shots, then said "what if we gave him an ability that gives him a better reaper passive? and make him by far the highest damaging tank in the game.. and make half his health pool armor... seems healthy."
And also what if he had a charge with an arbitrary stipulation that none of the cc abilities in the game can effect it?
Also this design is very complex so it's gonna take 2 years for our team to implement the hero into the game.
Watching Mauga v Mauga is like being in a rave, yelling and all but without the music
Mauga is just a pain to fight, and with this vid i do see how strong the heals are, my aim just always got me lacking in that
Maybe if they made it to where you can only shoot 1 gun at a time except in his ult where u can shoot both? He only really seems broken when hes really close to you because of the raw damage and self healing.
When only using 1 of the guns is the left or the right better is there a difference?
The left one lights enemies on fire.
The right one does crit damage to enemies on fire.
All I've taken from this video is that if you want to kill Mauga, you need Mauga with Ana and Kiriko pocketing him. Sounds about balanced
It would be balanced if every other tank could survive like this only with ana and kiriko pocket, he's not balanced lil bro.
I just played a match as roadhog, I’m a good hog player, I’ve played since ow 1 came out.
Mauga just sprints up SHREADS me to pieces in about 2 seconds, he’s broken as fuck and it’s insulting that Blizzard thinks that’s acceptable to put behind a paywall
Mauga vs. Mauga is like Moira vs. Moira 1v1s. It just never ends.
Flats unironically throwing in Helltaker music 3/4ths of the way when the fight gets tougher/interesting without the mirror makes this so much better. 😄
Mauga makes playing tank feel like playing tank again.
@LazTheTurtle Makes sense, since you can easily explode playing anyone else, that's according to flats aswell
"Mauga one, Mauga one"
Literally has half hp
I think they made him broken on purpose so that it pushes us all to buy him and not feel left out. After enough time goes by I think they will switch to not needing to buy him.
I thought he was free? You just gotta play right?
@@dylanstanfill2897Yeah but F2P players only just started getting him the last ~week or so, meaning no practice using him in any matchups throughout QP in the season/before he got into comp
@@dylanstanfill2897get to lvl 45 in battle pass of the current season.
Each level is like 5000 xp i think.
45×5000= 225,000 xp
You can get at most 15,000 once per day from the dailies.
Or 15 days.
On average a match earns you 100xp [+50 per win]
20%extra if in a group.
You're putting in at least 30 minutes a day
So lets give a nice 50/50 metric. 5 matches per day. 3 wins, 2 lost. 650 xp+15,000 and youre alone. 15,650 xp per day and it takes less than an hour.
You would still put 14.3 days worth. Winning a majority of your matches didnt do much.
Lets add a friend! 20% of 650 adds a bonus 130xp.
225,000/15,780= 14.25------
Its still two weeks of grinding with dailies
Friendly 20% boost and
A 60% winrate.
Unless i did the math wrong.
If you win all 5 daily matches
You get 750
Add 20% [150]
900
225k÷15,900=14.15----
You could win every game, with a friend, finish your 3 dailies
And still take two weeks.
But you save 1 whole daily challenge cycle
@@dylanstanfill2897he’s free how? He’s in the battle pass
@@skeechymeechy5896 I mean he's free because he's not a premium reward. I have him and I've never spent anything on the game. I dunno, it wasn't a big deal to me, but I'm a casual player and not a high skill ranked player. Best I've ranked is gold and at that level, you can play whatever really. Before I got him I'd just play Orisa or Sigma into him and do fine. Either way, it wasn't long after the battle pass came out that I got to him on it, maybe like a week or so and I don't even play that much, free of charge.
Overwatch season 7: I see everything
Mauga season 8: WHAT DID YOU SAY I CAN'T SEE OR HEAR U
So, what are we at, 3 or 4 hearts?
"Rein does too much damage" "Mauga doesn't do enough" I'm convinced the team just hates Rein at this point.
OW devs: "Dying is mean so lets make a game where no one dies"
It's crazy to me that an OW2 hero needs a rework 2 weeks after being released.
If this was OW1 with 2 tanks, he would be so fun. As one tank, he just doesnt work...
Like, obviously he would need to be toned back, but just imagine him with Rein or with Zarya, or with a Sig. It would actually work.
As one tank, what do you do besides just stand there?
Bring back the second tank ❤
Damage is a dead role, they should’ve done 2-1-2 since the release of OW2.
Open queue genuinely feels like a more balanced experience in Masters+, since almost everyone understands what combos have been good over the years.
In well-ranked open queue games you’ll likely get zero or just 1 damage player. 2-3 tanks with 2-3 supports feels pretty good.
Although I’m quite sure a solid LW, Kiri, Ana + Mauga, Sigma would obliterate balance.
how tf would he still be fun in ow1 lmao. u know u can pick more than 1 tank in ow2 right?
@@meru_lpz2 tanks does not solve the problems it creates diff problems
*releases already broken mauga*
Dev 1: we’ll tone back his damage slightly
1 week later
Dev 1:We must buff mauga again! Make him invincible!
Dev 2: isn’t he already kind of invincible?
Dev 1: make him more invincible!
*pats themselves on the back*
*gives each other Christmas bonuses for their hard work*
Imo its better than the horse who only exists to just not die more than to actually do something.
my new favorite strat i like to call the "im not in here with you your in here with me" when an enemy mauga ults i (as torb) run into it and ult my self they will refuse to leave their ult bubble and burn an die. prob dont work in higher ranks ill emit but it works really well if nothing else it makes them have to waste ult basically
Imagine if Reinhardt could heal himself with his hammer.
I’m at Disneyland and cali theme park right now but when I get back can’t wait to try him in comp.
Mauga v Mauga with pocket heals feels even more boring than the old Orisa barrier v Orisa barrier. :(
Friend: “So what do you think of the new tank, Muga”
Me: “HOW DID IT MAKE IT TO LIFE SERVERS”
Friend: What's a life server?
i literally felt like I went backwards in the video for how long the team fights are
I think the current hero release schedule is a little too aggressive for the dev team
They will be fine it took like 3 years for a new character after echob
Wait the flats mauga cooks. Canceling mauga q into dash when the mei ulted was spicy
Mauga is absolutely infuriating to have on a team as a support. You literally sit there and dunk 90% of heals into him, if you look away for a second he gets shredded and dies.
Sorry you can't waste time on doing minimal DPS rather than healing. Imagine a DPS saying "I hate having to deal DPS to their tank" lmao it's your job big fella
It’s the return of GOATS. MAUTS
Quick Question:
Maugas right gun is the one that crits when the enemy is on fire. Does it make sense to still aim for the head and do even more "critical" damage, or is the crit damage the same everywhere?
My gut says that headshots do more, but I have no clue.
Thanks in advance. :)
it does the same but if you can keep hitting headshots consistently outside of burn you can keep up right fire more
Thanks, appreciate it.
Your left click can still headshot so If youre close up and shooting both guns you can still aim for the head for more damage.
Same everywhere but the left doesn't crit on body so getting those few extra crits on the left can make a big difference in the mauga v mauga matchups
Aim for their legs after they're on fire. Never use both guns unless you're close enough to make every bullet in the spray connect.
Mauga vs Mauga is one of the worst things in the game. It's completely brainless and redundant.
the sonic unleashed music in the background is top tier
Mauga gameplay is less compelling to watch than Orisa is, and that's something I never thought I'd feel.
“Oh that’s a bastion” healthbar-melts
Nononono
Does anyone else forget to breathe when playing Mauga
Honestly watching the Mauga mirror reminds me of the pre-nerf Annihilation Ramattra days.
It's like a Bronze game where everyone is playing projectile
Ah yes, reloading 700 bullets in 1 second makes sense
Mauga is the perfect character to live your Dragon Ball fantasies
OW really became a clownparty
With Mauga you can’t even fall of the map if he has ult no escape lmfao.
I havn't gotten on Overwatch 2 yet. at 1:04.... does reloading reset his cooldowns?!?!? I watched longer and he didnt cooldown reset. Does suzu reset cooldowns?
The video was edited for some reason
You know what really broken? Back fill. Been in 4 games where the game will not back fill a qp game. FLATS HELP US!
Same. I've had the same issue, even without mauga matchups people just leave with no backfill and man the games are just trash.
dude what is your qp mmr
Me: steps on something
PLEASE DON'T BE DOGSHIT PLEASE DON'T BE DOGSHIT
Bottom of my shoe: 16:24
Played today and if they have two healers and a good dps it’s bloody impossible to kill
Its ridiculous how little their health changed
the donkey kong music was peak 😂
Ive always loved Mini/Chainguns in almost every game… this character is now one of my favorite ❤️
I feel like Heavy from TF2 especially the cage fight >:D
Gundam HeavyArms go brrrrrrrrrrrr
Blizzard out here putting out heres that can only teeter on being completely broken or absolutely dog water with no inbetween.
Mauga really highlights what tanking has become since OW2...
To me Mauga feels invincible until I accidentally break line of sight with my supports for 1.5 seconds and get melted.
How to counter mauga : kill healers 5v3 mauga
Your welcome.
Even if mauga is here remember a simple pick change everything a dps a healer just one pick is enough to change the balance that the same process of every heroes in the past a simple pick
The funny thing is I agree how broken he is because I play reaper and it takes 20 minutes to kill him once
It’s kind of like either choosing to get kicked in the nuts over and over and over and feel all of the pain or get smacked in the face and feel none of the pain from the smack but all of the pain from the whiplash
I rlly hate how as soon as the enemy has mauga I have to play mauga
Make his chain guns have a wind up to max speed, with slow firing being basically a laser up to its current speed being about as accurate as it is now. This would help him duel small targets easier while keeping his insta delete power to close range tanks in check
Mei's wall seems to be one of the most effective ways to counter Mauga. It's giant, has tons of health, and the sheer size can effectively block LoS of his healers unless they have high ground, were off angling, or can get over the wall quickly (Bap and Kiri for example). It was in QP, but I had a match last night where the enemy Hog would hook me in and then Mei would wall behind me, and it was basically a free trip back to my team's spawn. Watching the replay after I think I should have charged past them to get behind the enemy team, creating some distance and hopefully giving me a chance to heal a bit with my E. Her ult lobbed into an enemy Mauga's ult can also completely turn Mauga's ult against him if the enemy Mauga can't cancel and charge away in time.
I do think Mauga needs a bit more tuning and I can totally agree his biggest issue right now is he basically forces the meta for both teams, but folks are figuring out how to counter him decently enough that I think, with a bit more time, he'll still be a threat but not the complete slam dunk he can appear to be. He's still very predicated on playing around cover unless he's being pocketed, and if the enemy has an Ana and neither of your team's supports swap to Kiri, Mauga's gonna have a bad time.
Devs: what if we just combined the most OP parts of almost everyone’s kits into one hero….
Shift: rein charge covered in orisa gold, followed by a larger damaging ball slam that has the chance to apply rein shatter effect.
Primary/secondary fire: sets people on fire like dynamite and has the fire rate of bastion turret form.
E: reaper life steal with negated dmg like hog take a breather and also applies to teammates like baps shift.
Ultimate: sym shield that removes any useful ability from enemies inside of it that gives mooga the unlimited ammo that even exists well after mooga is dead.
Who could’ve thought that he could potentially be over powered. Yeah let’s nerf Ana nade cause brain dead players can’t count the cool down or refuse to stand by natural cover…
5:18 they need to throw him back to bronze for that take😭
I'm actually done with overwat h until he's nerfed. I don't have the battle pass and it feels like any other tank can't fight against him unless your team has an Ana and even then all they need is kiri. And you can't just ignore him either because he'll just shred you. I played 3 games yesterday and I straight up couldn't play. I saw him sand in hanzos dragon and come out with basically full hp, it's so awful I hate this hero.
Comp on console (in masters and low GM) almost always devolves into a mauga mirror right now. I love ball and would much rather play him but Mauga bullies him and every other tank so hard that it’s not even fun 😭
It's almost like if you take a a counter-pick-or-lose hero for low to mid-tier play and buff them for no reason they become OP and boring all around. There have definitely been heroes that are worse in terms of design for themself, but Mauga is literally the perfection combination of all awful for everyone in a match *especially* in mirror match ups.
As Tank, you essentially lose all agency in in actually winning a fight against him because your supps are the only ones with direct counters UNLESS you decide to play him too in which case your gameplay is fucking braindead and still based on how good/what your supports are.
As DPS you have no agency at all anywhere in the equation because basically no DPS has an actual direct counter. If it's a Mauga mirror, every DPS is basically playing a 2v2 instead of a 5v5 because your only job is going to being either diving enemy supps or peeling for your own. (Despite that you're getting zero heals unless you can do it yourself because your Mauga WILL combust as soon as they take their eye off him)
And finally as a Supp you pick *must* have Ana, and either Kiri or Zen depending on the binary of whether you have a Mauga or not. Unless you want to lose in which case fuck it, pick whatever.
I'm genuinely not surprised the devs teased him in 2019, because there is no fucking world any sane person would look at Mauga's design even on paper and think "Yes. This. This is fit for 5v5"
Why did they nerf him into a decent spot and then immediately buff him back into ridiculousness? Game pass wasn't selling well enough?
I heard that Maui was originally supposed to have a flame thrower and grenade launcher. The incompetence of the devs is astounding they literally have tf2 as a outline and still manage to fail. Demo? Pyro? And tank in one role? The potential could have been crazy maybe give him a 200 round/tick flame thrower that ticks for 10 damage per second then the grenade launcher should only have 4 shots in it and is like junks c4 but it acts as a finisher instead of a combo tool.
I swear the devs were on crack when they designed Mauga
12:10 overrun can headshot?? how much damage does that do 🤨