Blizzard need to add a calculator or something that registered dmg on the dummy to see exactly the dmg we be doing. All the minion attaking cant really see the dmg all that well
@@P4wnyhof Just the version Torchlight: Infinite has would be a great start. If we could get an additional window with stats like what type of damage, what source, or what skill, that would be the dream.
After looking at the characters on the leaderboard I switched to a 2hd weapon on my summoner necro build. Used the Osseous Gale and get pretty much continuous bone storm now. Not saying its the best but sure helped me get up farther in the pit.
just a call out, when you took off the rare node for attack speed on golem you took off a 50% additive damage bonus which is the actual reason the damage decreased. It's not conclusive that the attack speed portion had any meaningful impact.
@@P4wnyhof That 50% additive would be almost impossible to notice. It's just adding to all the other applicable additive damages which is in the area of 3000%
@@GrubbySnotflinger that’s not how paragon minion nodes work though, it’s pretty easy to test but the additive damage is more effective than flat on your character. Go hit a dummy
There is some weird shit with grasping veins and test dummies. Macroboibou got roasted for saying it didn't work even though in the video where he was testing it, it clearly wasn't working. He then retested and it was working
If more multipliers are better for damage, it would be logical to use a one handed weapon + offhand to get another tempering multiplier Nd another legendary aspect, no?
on 2h weapons all stats are doubled. You don´t win more damage when you use 1h + offhand - you will lose some because the offhand only give you 80% from the weapon damage
All damage and Int i am confused on.. I seem to be getting higher damage numbers from all damage stat (on rings) over Int but every guide I see everyone uses int. Why is Int better?
int also provides u an increase to all res. many guides super minmax that to get exactly 70% everywhere and not waste paragorn board nodes for it so thats why u see int here and there as gaining the additional paragorn points usually nets a better gain overall. hope this helps!
attack speed plus thorns bug which they still havent fixed...everything melts...i dont want anyone to know this becuz theyll fix it so if you see this comment do not say anything about it...just know there is a thorns bug that cripples the game...nothing is hard oh and you need a shield to wear hint
You’ve proven that Blizzard does not test their game. You have also proven that the average player will never be able to create these builds due to lack of mats and gold.
Dude... F@@k the haters. I've seen comments on other people's videos saying that you copied them or other content creators. Or other comments about you releasing so many videos. I've watched some of your live streams and seen you testing different things out. You do a really good job at keeping people up to date with what's fresh and new. I appreciate your ORIGINAL content and all of the research you put into your builds. I feel like I've learned a lot from you, and that influences my own builds. Thank you for all that you have done and continue to do! Keep on keepin on, brother.
Hellbent commander is so janky with minion AI. I'd rather it read deal more damage for the number of minions you have, the direct opposite of memento mori.
Good work! Would be interesting to see how minions damage change when we prioritize Summoning damage opposed to Skeletal Mages/Golem damage. I wonder why there is no Skeletal Warriors damage
My first two handed scythe had the 30% - 90% attack speed and I pulled a x'fals corroded signet with 50,991 proc on a shadow build early. Combined with a ring of mendeln (27,261) mainly pumped mages and my damage is silly, spamming 5-600k
Did i get it right: TL;DR: Attackspeed as stats and aspect works fine, grasping veins doenst give dmg boost, % all dmg on weapon is equal than % csd (csd is preferred). But what about sword vs scythe, does it matter to much?
With that much golem damage and that little critical damage, critical damage on weapon should be waaay ahead on the weapon. The testing shown is shoddy at best but it does show there may be something weird going on with generic damage bonus (in theory it should be just additive with all the other damage bonuses (so 99% to 3k% for less than 3% increase), while critical damage is obviously it's own multiplier (140 to 450'ish for 25%ish increase - should be pretty obviously more than the 3%)).
what about Aspect od Decay and Aspect of the Damned ? its all shadow damage that minions shadow build do. whats wrong with it ? i think its even more constant damage than Army of Dead aspect i think. Still theres a lot more questions cause aspects are not clearly classified. for example BLighted aspect is inreasing "YOUR damage" not minions so why everyone is wearing it on weapons in shadow minions build.. ? why nobody is using Decay .... why people use army of dead aspect if anything almost dying instantly in PIT lvl 80 without army of dead... god damn it :D i hate this
@@P4wnyhof yeah was just watching your stream and cooldowns were dropping heaps, not sure why it's not working as well for me, maybe I need more attack speed or something. Why do you have exploding corpse in your build if it's not equipped? Thanks for the reply too.
go with warriors +1 skeleton and put aspect that increase max number of summons to +2 on amulet it iwll change to +3 and take passive that grants minions attack speed per active minion and boom. You beat the game.
Does the shadowblight aspect give 240% increased damage to minions? Since the corpse tendrils aspect 50% critical strike damage doesn't work with minions.
Yeah that is what I want. His build linked has different everything he is showing here. I think he is just testing things and telling us. Not exactly a build video. A shame. It would be nice to have an Army of the Dead build, but I guess bone storm is too good since it gives a barrier and DR.
That's really just a standard, you get most for the Paragon board unless you don't have it setup right . At level 100 you should have around 400 dex/will/and strength with intelligence in the higher 1000 close to 2000 when fully masterworked.
@KINGDINGALICIOUS I got 425 willpower, 410 dex and 1573 int, I need to add at least 50 points to dex and willp in order to fully benefit from some rare nodes, that's why I was asking about the paragon board..
I got the Melted heart of selig from Duriel last night with a greater affix on damage while healthy(its now 105% damage while healthy instead of 23%/35%). Would that be better for my build rather than the amulet i got now with reanimation and hellbent commander?
from what im seeing at high pits you wont killi a boss that doesnt have adds /w necro and holy bolt you might as well tele out as soon as you see some bosses attack speed imo only helps stacking blight as fast as you can to nuke with the golems cooldown.
I’m not understanding how. I’ve got gear masterworked for all 3 perfect golem damage, +5 golem mastery on my armour, +4 hellbent commander on amulet. The perfect paragon Board maxed for golem, +500 crit damage. I can only do pit 99 and I have to have holy bolts.
I’m at 105 now, I think I’ve got to change some things for attack speed. Im a gamer, I dodge, I can get to the boss with 10 mins left but it’s a struggle killing the boss, im not speed farming above 100. I need to add someone who can inspect what I have going on
Twice or triple as fast? You had almost no real difference in the remaining cooldown at the end of the army cast. You were like 14-18s. Aphotic didn’t do hardly any better than without it…
@@P4wnyhof I'm just going off of the video. At best there is a difference of a few seconds. Nowhere close to an order of 2-3 times faster. 2-3x faster would be the CD completing well before the previous cast finished.
@@WeIgnoredSmokey From what I have noticed, playing only shadow dot with minions, (based on the lazy mancer build rob showed early on), I definitly can say, that if I spam decrepify on the boss as well, I have basically 0s cd on all my skills. I am nearly 100% in blood mist, triggering CE, playing the black river unique. And this does not work if I dont use the aphotic aspect. Even bone storm with its relativly high lucky hit chance, can't get me the same cdr through curses.
D4 is like a fucking mobile game these days.... no skill, no brain, no control, no nothing needed to crush the "content".... barb is even more broken... doing pit lvl 50 with 75 thorns barb... cmon blizzard... wtf??? poe still FAR more challenging as a f2p title. dude...
Blizzard need to add a calculator or something that registered dmg on the dummy to see exactly the dmg we be doing. All the minion attaking cant really see the dmg all that well
Yes a damage meter might be needed
@@P4wnyhof Just the version Torchlight: Infinite has would be a great start. If we could get an additional window with stats like what type of damage, what source, or what skill, that would be the dream.
Blizzard needs a fcking QA department is more like it
They need to just stop making the damn game a math problem
@@KINGDINGALICIOUS That is the case for every ARPG out there tho.
Thank you. I have to drop corpse tendrill buff to use a shako on my build. Now i don't regret it.
Diablo immortal has damage metre on the dummy as a mobile game plus full damage brakedown. Why D4 doesn’t ?
because D4 is an unfinished game.
After looking at the characters on the leaderboard I switched to a 2hd weapon on my summoner necro build. Used the Osseous Gale and get pretty much continuous bone storm now. Not saying its the best but sure helped me get up farther in the pit.
It makes it safer 100% until you got enough life to play army of the dead again!
just a call out, when you took off the rare node for attack speed on golem you took off a 50% additive damage bonus which is the actual reason the damage decreased. It's not conclusive that the attack speed portion had any meaningful impact.
Sir that minus 50% would not have that much of an impact - plus golem hitting faster is no matter what good
@@P4wnyhof That 50% additive would be almost impossible to notice. It's just adding to all the other applicable additive damages which is in the area of 3000%
@@GrubbySnotflinger that’s not how paragon minion nodes work though, it’s pretty easy to test but the additive damage is more effective than flat on your character. Go hit a dummy
Cult leader seems to ignore golem attack speed paragon nodes
This video is confusing. No idea how you do calculations but you arent comparing apples with apples
So is grasping veins working or not? And if not what should I swap it for? I’m a casual.
I would personally stack attack speed and crit chance without worrying about crit damage. Dump the aspect but use the vulnerable debuff.
Have you tested if the Cult Leader is giving damage bonus over 100 percent? I've been told that it calculates past 100 percent attack speed
As a summoner, should I be stacking crit damage above all else?
So would It be a good idea to use the grandfather being that it adds a ton of raw damage and doubles your crit damage.
What about Gems? Wouldn't Topaz + base damage scale batter?
Very helpful, thank you for this experiment!
That was amazing analysis, thanks a lot!
Does the minion attack speed key passive work? It doesn't show up in the Stat chart.
MAybe the skelli priest trigger the book of the dead? wasent there a option that skellis reduce cd?
Index says sword vs scythe. Video shows crit sword vs dmg sword.
how do you get to this test?
There is some weird shit with grasping veins and test dummies. Macroboibou got roasted for saying it didn't work even though in the video where he was testing it, it clearly wasn't working. He then retested and it was working
Simple - if you cast it yourself no bonus damage
And ring of sacrilegious ain't worth it
@@P4wnyhof Pretty sure it's the other way around, but you should test it on actual mobs, the dummies don't seem reliable right now.
Can you Tell me, why in have 23mio thornes on my Golem? Is this real?
The build is op, just run it. Any necro summon build is godly.
If more multipliers are better for damage, it would be logical to use a one handed weapon + offhand to get another tempering multiplier Nd another legendary aspect, no?
on 2h weapons all stats are doubled. You don´t win more damage when you use 1h + offhand - you will lose some because the offhand only give you 80% from the weapon damage
If I dun need frenzied dead to hit 100 SPD, what other aspects is good to use?
Perfect! Inner calm can work wonders
damn dude,thanks for the lesson.
All damage and Int i am confused on.. I seem to be getting higher damage numbers from all damage stat (on rings) over Int but every guide I see everyone uses int. Why is Int better?
int also provides u an increase to all res. many guides super minmax that to get exactly 70% everywhere and not waste paragorn board nodes for it so thats why u see int here and there as gaining the additional paragorn points usually nets a better gain overall. hope this helps!
@@9shadeZz2 nice one thanks
@P4wnyhof does this also work/doesnt work for Druid Minion build (wolves)?
Uff I have not tested anything with druid
@@P4wnyhof too bad , well i got an excuse for u to make a druid minion build xD hehehe
Should I do this
I wish you can make a quick conclusion session or a quick video to summary your points. I really don’t want to watch the entire 16 mins video lol 😂
what's the tl;dr of this??
Good testing but wtb test dummies like lost ark or undecember!
dude 4 add's in you videos? NOTY
attack speed plus thorns bug which they still havent fixed...everything melts...i dont want anyone to know this becuz theyll fix it so if you see this comment do not say anything about it...just know there is a thorns bug that cripples the game...nothing is hard oh and you need a shield to wear hint
Whats that ?
Lol 😵
You’ve proven that Blizzard does not test their game. You have also proven that the average player will never be able to create these builds due to lack of mats and gold.
This bug is old ...
"Goolum"
How many languages do YOU speak? Because he speaks at least 2.
@@jenthulhu 5
@@jenthulhu And I just thought it was funny. No big deal.
Can we please get a TLDR chapter at the end of these vids 🥺
These deep dive videos are so useful, thank you 💪
Dude... F@@k the haters. I've seen comments on other people's videos saying that you copied them or other content creators. Or other comments about you releasing so many videos. I've watched some of your live streams and seen you testing different things out. You do a really good job at keeping people up to date with what's fresh and new. I appreciate your ORIGINAL content and all of the research you put into your builds. I feel like I've learned a lot from you, and that influences my own builds.
Thank you for all that you have done and continue to do! Keep on keepin on, brother.
No worries :) The haters never matter - People choose to hate whatever you do - Happy you do enjoy the content and thank you for posting !
Hellbent commander is so janky with minion AI. I'd rather it read deal more damage for the number of minions you have, the direct opposite of memento mori.
Yes hellbent needs to change badly!
So is it better to run summoning damage on your items over golem damage since that buffs everything instead of just the golem?
not really, the damage from your golem dwarfs what the skellies are doing so better to just pump the big boy up
Good work! Would be interesting to see how minions damage change when we prioritize Summoning damage opposed to Skeletal Mages/Golem damage. I wonder why there is no Skeletal Warriors damage
Warriors scale the least!
Does the damage modifier double dipping in dot damage work with other classes poison and bleeds?
Does the attack speed buff not continue to work past 100%? Like 120, 140?
Nope, that legendary node caps out at 100%
If pets hit faster they will still do more damage.
Just about everything like Explosion Sizes and Attack Speeds got caps put on them this season
So let me make sure im understanding correctly, we don’t know why the cool down is lower with the stun affix? It just is?? Weird
The answers is aphotic triggers lucky hit with a 100% chance!
@@P4wnyhof ah! Thank you
Thank you for a deep dive explanation in the video. This contains so much valuable information! This channel is just all around superb!
It is confirmed that the dummy is bugged with grasping veins. It DOES in FACT work on actual enemies with minions. Tested. Tried and true.
glowing hands is a huge deal
Isnt that blood getter just heals u and not give the 21% dmg to ur minions. Or does it both?
Where do you go to test this all out please like where is the training dummy?
My first two handed scythe had the 30% - 90% attack speed and I pulled a x'fals corroded signet with 50,991 proc on a shadow build early. Combined with a ring of mendeln (27,261) mainly pumped mages and my damage is silly, spamming 5-600k
Did i get it right:
TL;DR: Attackspeed as stats and aspect works fine, grasping veins doenst give dmg boost, % all dmg on weapon is equal than % csd (csd is preferred).
But what about sword vs scythe, does it matter to much?
With that much golem damage and that little critical damage, critical damage on weapon should be waaay ahead on the weapon. The testing shown is shoddy at best but it does show there may be something weird going on with generic damage bonus (in theory it should be just additive with all the other damage bonuses (so 99% to 3k% for less than 3% increase), while critical damage is obviously it's own multiplier (140 to 450'ish for 25%ish increase - should be pretty obviously more than the 3%)).
what about Aspect od Decay and Aspect of the Damned ? its all shadow damage that minions shadow build do. whats wrong with it ? i think its even more constant damage than Army of Dead aspect i think. Still theres a lot more questions cause aspects are not clearly classified. for example BLighted aspect is inreasing "YOUR damage" not minions so why everyone is wearing it on weapons in shadow minions build.. ? why nobody is using Decay .... why people use army of dead aspect if anything almost dying instantly in PIT lvl 80 without army of dead... god damn it :D i hate this
Decay not worth it only boosts shadowblight itself - Damned does not work for minions
@@P4wnyhof thank you mate, you got my sub :) i like your Necro explanation.
The "Aphotic Aspect & Zero Cooldown" idea doesn't seem to work as much on tier 60+ pit bosses for some reason.
It works 100% everywhere - it ain't an idea it is a fact
@@P4wnyhof yeah was just watching your stream and cooldowns were dropping heaps, not sure why it's not working as well for me, maybe I need more attack speed or something. Why do you have exploding corpse in your build if it's not equipped?
Thanks for the reply too.
Could anyone tell me if the blight dropped by the corpse trigger the 20x damage that blight gives you
go with warriors +1 skeleton and put aspect that increase max number of summons to +2 on amulet it iwll change to +3 and take passive that grants minions attack speed per active minion and boom.
You beat the game.
Jeah thats the worst advice ever mate :) Bonus Skeletons on amulett aint it!
11:15 you are saying diff between crit damage vs all damage but in video it shows that it should be Greatsword vs scythe
The topic covers multiple things
Never in my life have i heard someone say golem like that. Do you homie
What about the differences of damage between all 3 golems and damage scales?
so instead of grasping veins what do we put there, or is the 25% crit chance still way too important to take it off
You get it for the crit chance.
the shadow damage from the warriors, the ticks must be counting as a skeleton warrior hit.
I've read that summoning damage temper only affects the active abilities of the minions, do you know if that is true?
So is Grasping Veins just not worth it anymore??
Does the shadowblight aspect give 240% increased damage to minions? Since the corpse tendrils aspect 50% critical strike damage doesn't work with minions.
Shadowblight does 100% - Did not "test" because it it simply working :D!
how do I see exactly what item you are using in this build?
I would re summon the minion after swapping any skills/equipment just in case minions reset stats on summon.
You don't have to they actually swap live :) Thats a very good thing!
Is hellbent working during blood mist form ?
salut dans ton build tu utilise chancre alors qu il n y est pas dans ta construction peut tu expliqué?
waooo! crazy good video! sub!
how much would it hurt to replace tendrils with mist? I am HC and would like to have get out of jail card
It would a lot because it's used to inflict vulnerable and with a aspect a large bonus for crit chance and nice bonus of crit dmg too
Clase mas fome la de nigromante
So put out the tendrils aspect?
the multiplicative damage from Grasping Vein is activated when cast by the Sacrilegious Soul.
No way
Oof only 2k golem damage
Ah no worries sir that is not main specc thats off gear :)
We are comftably sitting at 5k
Love the content.
Is the build link wrong?
Yeah that is what I want. His build linked has different everything he is showing here.
I think he is just testing things and telling us. Not exactly a build video.
A shame. It would be nice to have an Army of the Dead build, but I guess bone storm is too good since it gives a barrier and DR.
How do you have willpower and dex that high? Can you post your boards please?
That's really just a standard, you get most for the Paragon board unless you don't have it setup right . At level 100 you should have around 400 dex/will/and strength with intelligence in the higher 1000 close to 2000 when fully masterworked.
@KINGDINGALICIOUS I got 425 willpower, 410 dex and 1573 int, I need to add at least 50 points to dex and willp in order to fully benefit from some rare nodes, that's why I was asking about the paragon board..
I got the Melted heart of selig from Duriel last night with a greater affix on damage while healthy(its now 105% damage while healthy instead of 23%/35%).
Would that be better for my build rather than the amulet i got now with reanimation and hellbent commander?
no
check it out on the dummy but hellbent comm is a big multiplier
Melted is useless. We just have to come to terms that we dont really need ubers anymore.
@@Cola_77 tried it out a bit, golem crit went from 2.7mil to maybe 1mil. Actually scammed
yom
All trues
Best place to farm obols ?
Helltide & put smoldering ashes into the “more obols” category. It’s literally annoying how often I cap them out while running HTs
from what im seeing at high pits you wont killi a boss that doesnt have adds /w necro and holy bolt you might as well tele out as soon as you see some bosses attack speed imo only helps stacking blight as fast as you can to nuke with the golems cooldown.
Up to pit 126 no holy bolt needed
Afterwards things change
I’m not understanding how. I’ve got gear masterworked for all 3 perfect golem damage, +5 golem mastery on my armour, +4 hellbent commander on amulet. The perfect paragon Board maxed for golem, +500 crit damage. I can only do pit 99 and I have to have holy bolts.
Hands @@Smokeyxz
@@Smokeyxzit also take some monitoring of buffs to dish out proper damage and aggressive playstole
I’m at 105 now, I think I’ve got to change some things for attack speed. Im a gamer, I dodge, I can get to the boss with 10 mins left but it’s a struggle killing the boss, im not speed farming above 100. I need to add someone who can inspect what I have going on
Ok now show us necro with 100% crit chance build
Twice or triple as fast?
You had almost no real difference in the remaining cooldown at the end of the army cast. You were like 14-18s.
Aphotic didn’t do hardly any better than without it…
Sir the difference was huge - give it a try yourself rushing through a dungeon and you will see
@@P4wnyhof I'm just going off of the video. At best there is a difference of a few seconds. Nowhere close to an order of 2-3 times faster.
2-3x faster would be the CD completing well before the previous cast finished.
@@WeIgnoredSmokey From what I have noticed, playing only shadow dot with minions, (based on the lazy mancer build rob showed early on), I definitly can say, that if I spam decrepify on the boss as well, I have basically 0s cd on all my skills. I am nearly 100% in blood mist, triggering CE, playing the black river unique. And this does not work if I dont use the aphotic aspect. Even bone storm with its relativly high lucky hit chance, can't get me the same cdr through curses.
its not a fucking Ghoulum. Its a G-oh-lem.
I love your builds but please stop using your face with these postures on the video showcase. With love a big fun of your work in D4.
Sry the faces will stay
The face pose is the best part😂
D4 is like a fucking mobile game these days.... no skill, no brain, no control, no nothing needed to crush the "content".... barb is even more broken... doing pit lvl 50 with 75 thorns barb... cmon blizzard... wtf??? poe still FAR more challenging as a f2p title. dude...