$180 vs. $2400 Drivetrain - Budget vs. Baller Episode 6
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Mountain bike drivetrains have arguably seen the most amount of change over the last ten years compared to any other component. However, does more money equal more better? We're going to find out with Henry's $180 8-speed option against Jason's $2400 12speed, electronic option.
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I think that this series would make a lot more sense if the budget parts were indeed reliable. Budget upgrades doesn’t mean throwing garbage parts on a bike. that way you will show people that you can still get good parts and it’s not necessary to break the bank in order to have a good bike and have fun. Just my opinion.
I imagine that for the sake of their sponsors they want to make it seem like you have to spend more than you actually do to get reliable components
@@nommchompsky most mtb stuff is overpriced anyways
This! Yes! Every episode I’m thinking that’s trash not a “budget” part. Why not an advent x drivetrain and some fsa cranks. It’s way more realistic.
Soo true.
There is no sense in "I throw the best money can buy on a bike and compare it to the cheapest shit I can find."
For example if they just bought SRAM SX or Shimano deore it would be a good comparison.
Also maybe fox 36 vs SR suntour Aion 35. A comparison between super expensive and budget underdogs.
This would educate people to not buy the mainstream brands and help showing people other options.... Everybody should know that there are budget solutions, which can work as well as high end stuff.
The baller setup will not last 10X longer so for the money the cheap setup is more reliable. Not saying I would want the cheap setup as changing out is a bit of a pain. That said spend 400 bucks and you get something that last and is totally fine for must of us.
Budget versus baller is a great idea, but the budget parts should still be an upgrade. They should get a lower end bike that comes with base parts and then build it up with budget improvement parts and then of course your baller parts. I feel like some of the parts that Henry is putting on his bike are worse than the ones he had. Which defeats the purpose of an upgrade.
I second this! It's obvious that really low end parts won't perform nearly as well as the top teir ones. I would prefer seeing SX vs X01, RockShox Gold 35 vs Fox Factory 36, budget Stans vs top of the line Enve wheels. I'm sure the difference wouldn't be as staggering then.
I agree! This series looks pretty interesting as a concept, but it's becoming more retarded everytime. This is not budget, this is retarded. No one will but noname XT cranks on their full suspension bike, that even puts your health at risk. Please for the budget part, buy smart, used parts, you guys know bikes better than that! That poor bike is looking awful, but it could be great with some budget upgrades, not chinese downgrades
I can confirm this as I have a giant bike that is almost identical to the ones they are testing. The stock parts have been really reliable for me (3 years running w/ minimal maintenance) and in my opinion you’re gonna be spending way up to do better than what the bike comes with
Totally agree. The OG Donut version of this show did just that. This should be called broken vs baller. I'd like to see this with average/budget and maybe even buying used parts. Thanks guys1
True, but considering how good those entry-level products have gotten in the past few years, I don't think they can really tell the differences with the top of the line stuff, and you probably can't make a show out of that
So are we just gonna keep going until one of these crappy bike parts kills Henry?
Deore 12 speed would’ve been a much better option and not much more expensive.
even the 10 and 11-speed Deore stuff would have been better and prob cheaper as well. but the 12 speed would deff be the best budget upgrade that is actually an upgrade
@@bobvelting379 Would've needed a new rear wheel though. That would've probably detonated his budget.
@@bobvelting379 I wouldn't spend my money on anything new that's more than shimano 11 speed with the 51 tooth cassette. I honestly don't _buy_ the 12 speed stuff, the extra cog is just dead weight. Figuratively and literarily. On 11s the chain is thicker, it requires less precision, it's even lighter if you care about that sort of thing. As long as you have a big gear and a sort of small gear, that's all you need, I don't think that even xc racers would miss the extra cog.
I've just checked and full 5 piece 11s group set costs the same $200 they spent but comes with trustworthy cranks and a comparable range to eagle. The deore 12s stuff is a full 100 bucks more for no extra features. The only advantages the higher end stuff offers are slightly better quality and precision, but we all know the real reason why people but this stuff is grams and image.
@@gedrot2486 Sunrace makes 12 speed cassettes for the standard hg body and if I remember correctly the m5100 11 speed and 4100 10 speed are also be hg body
@@rauldragu9447 I'm still on the xt 11 speed stuff. Got a second hand shifter that looks and works like new for half the price a little while back. It works great and the 46T is more then i need with my 34T chain ring, but considering how good the new 11 and 12 speed Deore stuff seems to work i don't think you can go wrong there. The new 11 speed 11-51 seems to bee a very nice setup indeed.
I use the Microshift Advent on all my bikes, works flawlessly and really dependable! The clutch is really strong as well, only a bit more expensive than the acolyte, whole setup is under $200 CAD
Yep I have one on my fat bike. Since I adjusted it I’ve been blown away at how well it works.
Just buy an used m7000 group or 12s deore if you have a bit more cash, idk why anyone would go for microshift apart from getting it stock on entry hardtails from walmart
@@S.Minkii I replaced my well worn shimano xt drivetrain with a microshift adventx 10 speed and it's been awesome. It has nearly the same range at a 12 speed but is more dependable (derailleur adjustments don't need to be as precise so it can take several hits before needing any adjustment, I haven't had to adjust mine at all), can use a stronger chain, and is lighter than a 12 speed set up 3x the price. The only complaint that I have is shifting underload is not as smooth but I try not to do that anyways.
I'm using it on two bikes now. The clutch is as reliable as it gets and I've never had to adjust the cable after installation. I'll never go back to Sram or Shimano. Would be nice if they had a lighter cassette option for it though, it weighs as much as a 12 speed.
@@S.Minkii Ive run deore, gx, nx, x01, pretty much everything, advent and advent x are my preferred. Cheers!
I think this would’ve been a perfect opportunity to give something like a microshift drivetrain a spot. Much more sensible “budget” upgrade
it was a microshift drivetrain though. Just a low end one
I have the Advent X on my hardtail with a sunrace 11-51 10 speed cassette and I love it!
@@benrichardson7344 i thought advent x can only take up to 48t on the cassette?
I think Henry’s bike is being done wrong. It should have a ~$120 dropper, a mid range rockshox 35 gold fork, a inexpensive race face cockpit, and something like the deore 12 speed or 11 speed group set with the same cranks. I think the upgrades should be budget minded but still suitable for use on a mountain bike.
The yari would have been better than the rs35 either way... They should just make it "smart decisions vs I have all the money in the world"
I'd go ~$240 dropper with internal routing (crankbros, E13, PNW all have options), fork service + damper replacement, microshift AdventX 10 speed and a deore crankset. All stuff that performs great and is reasonably priced.
I'd also get a separate dropper lever to point out the differences, maybe get aliexpress vs pnw version of that because it's a good comparison and something value shoppers would actually want to see.
As someone who “upgraded” from a stock fork to a budget rl35 gold I agree.
@@Skooteh I agree with this more, cockpit was okay
@@iancai5 nah they should have just gone with a RockShox Recon RL it's about as budget as you can get with a great quality name brand part.
*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*
For the next budget vs. Baller, please do actual good budget *upgrades* that people can have a real use case for.
Agree. They're just putting garbage, doesn't make it an upgrade at all.
Yeah like deore or singling
*something
Depends. If you just had your drivetrain torn apart, busted, and destroyed, you need to put something--anything--on it because otherwise, you no-go. In that case, junk-level parts are an upgrade over no parts.
@@theevermind not those parts. The deore x11 set costs approx 250 usd, so really not a big difference and is quite a good part. It has a clutch so the chain would be much more secure and an 11 to 51 cassette. Those things are too expensive for 2hat they offer.
This could have been a great series, going full crap rather than "budget" killed is....HUGE FAIL GUYS
Really love this series! To be honest, I would like to see a little nicer or more reputable parts on the budget end though. Maybe you could revisit this series using entry level components from reputable brands like Shimano or Sram?
but it is xt!
@@cal...45 You has a point. lol
I agree. Getting a 12 speed Deore is a much better upgrade. Half of these "upgrades" are trully downgrades
This is a cool series and all, but what I would really like to see is basically low end versus high end. For example Shimano Deore vs XTR, Recon vs Lyrik, aluminum wheels vs carbon. Some of the parts on Henry's bike was an actual downgrade from what he had so these are not likely changes anyone would make. But I really want to know if the high end components are any better then the lower end in the same brands. Personally riding some of the Eagle drivetrains (non-axs) I can't tell any difference, so expanding on that would be a cool video series.
the problem is if you do a comparison of "mid-grade" to "high-end" the differences are so small it'll hurt too many peoples feelings.
Most people wouldn’t notice a deore vs xt difference, and neither would a stopwatch
My Shimano SLX drivetrain is a good balance of performance and value.
my 11 speed deore 11-51T is pretty good value and doesnt break your wallet in half
@@ronaldd8741 I've used both and the SLX definitely feels higher quality, but both of them shift flawlessly once set up correctly.
For sure, SLX with the XT shifter. 👌
My cay smells like cat food
@@CoderShare ofc, but running both XT tho real fire stuff🔥
This is my favorite series on yt rn
Is the "upgrade" on the budget bike actually an upgrade to whatever drivetrain that it already had? Or are they intentionally downgrading the bike?
A Microshift 11 or 12 spd transmission would be better for the money.
seems to me this is about slowly evolving each bike, one to the ultimate build, the other to the most basic build. "Upgrading" might be the wrong term, while "modifying to expose the performance gap" is more accurate.
Everyone's crying about, you should do this, you should do that. Stop complaining this is a great series, so much effort and time has gone into it ! Just sit back and enjoy
I was really curious to see how this all rolled out as I have been slowly upgrading a 2015 Giant Reign 1. I thought the budget build would be more along the lines of the work I have done to date but a lot of the budget build seems like downgrades to me...
I am feeling confident I have gone about it the right way with a mix of new and used parts (thanks to the ballers and their take-offs!):
Raceface Arc 30 laced with original hubs, Assegai front and back, tannus inserts.
Sunrace 11-50t, OneUp 30T oval (on stock cranks) with Raceface composite pedals.
SLX: derailleur, 4 pot brakes, rotors, levers, and shifter.
Giant dropper with Chromag Saddle.
PNW stem, Fasst MTB handle bars, OneUp grips.
Rebuilt Suspension: Monarch Debonair / Pike (but for fun, currently running a mullet with a Lyrik Ultimate and Stans Mk 4 / DT Swiss 350)
Maybe more of a budget ++ build :)
GX Derailleur was all you needed for budget bike. WTF MAN
Realistic upgrades man not down grades.
Those ti cranks looks awesome! They're a work of art 🎨
And incredibly overpriced.
@@adamb724 there is ti cranks at ali express I'm doubting they can be good . Based on good welds and the quality on the pics, I they have the potential to be good.
@@jeepsterc104 aluminum is more than fine for me. Ti for a crankset is a solution to a problem that never existed.
@@adamb724 nah, I've snapped multiple aluminium crankarms. I've never been confident on aluminium thanks to that... But I still use it because its cheaper, I've also cracked three aluminium frames, and every single aluminium freehub body I've ever used essentially ripped itself apart in a few months.
I've always seen people talking about titanium and it's properties over the years, I just kind of wish I could have that on my bike. The lifespan of steel, almost as light as aluminium if built right, and can take hits unlike carbon, just sounds perfect for me. But its too damn expensive now lol.
@@mikuramsay if you're snapping AL crankarms you'd probably be deforming Ti crankarms...
I like how every episode they make Henry’s bike worse and more dangerous. I can’t wait until they replace his frame with a Walmart one.
walmart has an in house brand that makes full carbon frames designed by knowledgeable people in the industry. completely blanking on what it's called, but it's orders of magnitude better than mongoose lol
Intro gives me an idea: $200 vs $2000 trail dog
the free puppies found in a box in the middle of the street or a professional breeder
IMO you should have gotten at least a clutch derailleur. Microshift has some excellent options that aren't super expensive and they are IMO legitimate competitors to higher end stuff (especially low end eagle drivetrains).
Cheap drivetrain is good when it's new,the problem is it's not going to hold up on tech stuff and it will wear out in no time...The bling stuff will last long time if you don't crash constantly.
Depends on how much bling. My buddy is a mechanic and former pro roadie. He talked me out of top end stuff because it gets "finicky", which is also why it runs so well when it is dialed in. I am all about XT 11spd on my trail bike, and am moving to it on my hardtail next month. Runs forever, cheaper than the cheap 12 spd, and is much nicer.
However a lot of times these top end blings are made for XC races mainly to reduce weight & therefore not as durable. My buddy cracked his XX1 crankarm on a root yet X01 is holding up just fine after numerous pedal strikes on stones. Same with cassette in many cases (more aluminum gears as opposed to all steel gear).
Love the series and this one out on my birthday.... thanks!
This should be called Broke vs. Baller. It's fun, but you should make a true Budget vs. Baller.
Stupidest series they’ve done could of got an 11 speed Deore group set for a couple hundred dollars. Every choice they’ve made for the budget bike have just made the bike worse
The budget in this series is far too budget. It feels like, in most cases, you should have just serviced the existing components as they're better than what is being put on.
This is more "Baller vs Butchered"
Scanning the tool rack for the needed hanger alignment tool this whole video, even new bikes are out and it makes so much difference to the shift quality.
every comment seems to be complaining about how this series has been executed and I am completely there with them.
Ok, for the final day you two should swap bikes. And that's entertainment folks!!!!
To me, the biggest advantage of a 1x system is the fact that you don't have to coordinate shifting between the rear and the front. Especially off road where you often have little time to change gears. While watching the slow motion of the ridding, the SRAM clearly has a much better clutch mechanism.
19:30 For an extra $20 you can get one of several shimano hollowtech II based 1x cranksets and for an extra $10 more you have a shimano cassette too. For like a total extra $60ish you could go full shimano drivetrain with a kmc chain. Why would you do anything else?
Budget doesn’t always equal garbage. Come on Pinkbike- be realistic
I bought a ztto 50t cassette 10speed. Put it on my trek fuel ex5 but still running the raceface crank and original derailleur. Paired it up with a shimano acera shifter and works perfectly fine. The only difference is I splashed money into a decent kmc chain as from my bmx days I learnt chinesium chains snap with a wonderful noise and a very sensual knee to stem connection. I’ve probably got about 300km into the cassette and it’s perfectly fine for some stamped plated steel with questionable tac welds.
Also those cranks iv been testing for 6 months on an old giant Boulder with an ltwoo group set. Works perfectly fine. Pretty sure those cranks are machined 6061 aluminum so the yield strength in the threads of the pedals you wouldn’t trust on a serious trail bike.
I think this video is probably going to have a target audience of either new mountain bikers or the younger teenage generation. I’d go out on a limb and say most teenagers do not have 2500 dollars for a damn group set. Seems to be some hate in the comment section but the video is exactly what the title says. The parts are garbage but I’m happy using garbage parts on any of my bikes and riding it into the ground instead of throwing money into something I’ll never get a positive return on.
Watching the series and first time commenting
I'm looking a bit at the comments, and I def. agree with the most of you guys
They took the idea from donut media- and they said it.
Jason bike is the baller, but Henry is something a real biker would never buy.. I would be terrified to run those parts on my bike (enduro, dh) for my safety, but for others as well
First some teenager could watch this and say to their parents to order those parts because they are OK
Think it would be better that you done the series with these parts
Fork: fox 36 vs yari
Wheels : could of leave the giant ones
shox: ohlins vs rs kage
tyres: same but different casing (DH vs exo)
bars: carbon vs cheap giant
stem: same
cassete: sram eagle vs sunrace/ sunshine (think that's not that bad of a cassete)
rear mech: axs vs sram NX
brakes: trickstuff vs shimano deore 4 pot
keep up posting
:)
imagine having a sponsored parktool wall of tools and hammering in the bearings...
The issue with a cassette like that budget one you chose is that many people have folded the biggest cog
"You know the best thing to fit Bottom brakcets and headsets- Hmm MMM MMM 🔨🔨" LOL
Absolutely love the series gents! Everyone complaining about how the budget bike should be serviced parts while forgetting about entertainment factor :)
Pinkbike, budget doesnt mean cheap. It means good value. This series would be so much better if the upgrades were realistic.
How long will it take the editors to realize Henry's audio needs to be significantly louder than everyone else's? No matter what video he is in you can barely hear him. Does no one review these before posting???
After reading several comment about how the budget upgrades should be more of an upgrade it would be a sick idea to do a series on how to properly upgrade your components on a budget like what to upgrade first and stuff. So something similar to this just a less extreme and what a Normal riding should and would do.
But I still love watching this series cause it’s just cool to watch
this is such an awesome series!!
Love this series! I think it’s perfect the way it is and y’all are doing great! Can y’all also do another game of cards?
This was the best video so far! It seemed much more relaxed and really fun to watch
I wish you would've gone with a microshift advent x or box four setup. Because these are actually decent. Still nice video today.
Time for custom paint job! Budget v baller!
Its funny to hear them talk about the invention of the 1x drivertrian. I had a 1x drivertrain 30 years ago as a 10 year old as my bike was a 1x5. All they really invented was adding more gears on the cassette and getting it to shift well.
I converted my coil forks to air on my 1974 Yamaha moto bike. Full suspension too...
No shade at all, please do bike versions of all these kind of Donut-esc shows. I'm sure they're not first anyways.
So to make modern bike racing more interesting we introduce emps, or devices that interfere with the wireless shifting.
Henry downgrading the bike during an upgrade competition... 😂
quite surprising that drivechains are close in performance. Very educative video.
Acolyte is marketed as a drivetrain for kids bikes. For a few $ more you could have had Advent or Advent X with 11-48 cassettes and proper clutch, rather than Acolytes ratchet system.
I run Advent X on my gravel bike because Microshift also sell brifters for it. 95% of the time I run it with a 42T ring upfront, but when I go bike packing I swap it for a 34 to give me some serious climbing power.
I guess; getting an expensive components is a way of having a feel good factor of yourself and to do some flexing towards your mtb buddies. I've been using the same Shimano Deore 1x10 Speed for about 3 years. I can still outclimb and outpace riders with XTRs, SLXs and SRAM eagles.
After the brakes you can do custom paint:
Budget can be diy 1 color from aerosol spray paint with stickers for the logos,
and for Baller you can get a professional paint job with custom graphics.
You think they would do a paint job with cheap and expensive spray paint and clear coat towards the end of the series
Microshift Advent is a great drivetrain and I picked up the groupo, shifter, cassette, derailleur and chain for under $200cdn and slapped it onto my old Stumpy to go 1x and it's been brilliant. It's a clutched derailleur and has a heavier throw than the XT derailleur on my Optic but for the price probably the best groupo money can buy.
The downgrades are honestly just painful to watch
if you were a real baller you would have got XX1 gold chain and all
Xx1 axs would have been the best choice. Not exactly sure why they went with gx axs. Although I'm sure that there's almost not performance difference.
@@user-tq2vy2qs2j yea I think asx goes without saying....Gx cassettes and chains are definitely a level lower, they wear faster are heavier and the shifting is not as smooth...I think sponsorship will have something to do with their choices
Lot of time watching parts get installed without learning much about reliable affordable gear
I like the chemistry between both of the guys. They should do a prope bike build next time. And Jason gets to put away all the tools afterwards
After the brakes there is still one upgrade to make... Spray Job!... c'mon you know you wanna... 🤘
Henry's bike is a public danger, but i really want to see a huck to flat ultra-slow-motion video of it! 😁
12:50 this frame should be printed and hanging in Jasons office by now 🤣🤣🤣 best expression ever.
I run the Microshift Acolyte 8-speed on my eMTB and it works great. The only thing I would warn riders about is that after about 8 or 10 rides you have to re-adjust the derailleur.
In my opinion, both of you should have an opinion on both parts / bikes. Riding them both will make it easier for you to notice the difference in performance!!! Please do! :)
Really the sweet spot is somewhere between the two, but still closer to the low end. Cheaper service, good performance, good durability, good value. Shimano deore, and their identical siblings which do not carry the deore name such as bl-mt501 to bl-mt6000 which are the exact same but one is cheaper and uses a slightly different paint color. I don’t own a mtb but I ride gravel. I have a cheap ass hybrid I got from rei for 500 which now sells for 1k with a hodgepodge of upper low end components such as Shimano alivio and Altus. Alivio rear mech with shadow is damn good and dirt cheep. It fits an 11-36 cassette with 9 speeds and a tripped up front with 48-26 range. Pretty sure the range works out to be wider that your run of the mil fancy gravel bike nowadays with 1x. It works damn well. Really my only issue with the bike was cheap hydraulic brakes which had me fearing for my life on a decent due to fade which got upgraded to the deore type, tires to something more gravel specific, and some esi foam grips. The thing has been rock solid for like 4 years now and is totally badass imo. Basically buy a bike for a hood deal with value stuff on it and you upgrade and change the stuff you don’t like or is not performing well. You save a ton of money and end up with a pretty cool and bombproof ride.
Much more interested in diminishing returns options than budget ones.
I don’t like that the “budget” aspect of this series promotes garbage Chinese knockoff components. Not only are the parts likely unsafe, but they are fraudulent copies.
When the "budget" derailleur cost more than your bike
I liked the way of thinking when making this series. But sadly it did not turn out the way i thought it would. Instead of trying to actually get a cheap Setup going, its more of a "Lets get the least famous cheap parts for the bike".
There are Shimano Deore Cranksets for less than 50 bucks brand new
There are Schwalbe Magic Mary performance line tires for 15 bucks each (They are heavy as shit)
There are Crankbrothers plastic pedals for ~20-30 bucks
There are Shimano groupless hydraulic brakes for less than 20 bucks a piece.
Seeing the trailer they didnt take any of these. Even Cheaper options, available in actual stores and not on Wish or ali baba with almost the same performance as better groupsets.
i bet these cranks snap faster than the ones that where on your specialized kevevo sl
I'll be honest with you I've never used a top of the line crankset before so i don't have much to compare too, but I've been using a budget $45.00 IXF crankset (which is what he has, just rebranded) and it's been extremely solid. IXF is the go-to for budget minded people who want to go to a Hollow Tech 1x crankset. Also the MicroShift Acolyte is a good groupset for people on a budget but a AdventX would be better for a little bit more. I was going to go with AdventX but decided to go with a Box 4 groupset and I love it, although the always engaged clutch is a PITA when trying to take my rear wheel off.
PB, if you do this again, please do like 3 or 4 builds: Baller, Good Value for the money, DIY/Wrencher build and Literally Can't Afford Anything Else but Wanna Ride. Cause at this point I just think y'all are hazing the new guy by putting him on Mike Bears... and there is no accounting for the longevity of the parts that are being put on the budget build. Might be ok for a ride or 2; probably can't get any sort of warranty on those items if it does go to crap. Love ya PB, but this series could be so much better and much less irresponsible.
I got SRAM GX axs last month and I will never go back it's amazing
The final episode should be a new pain job! Rattle can Vs. Air brush!
I just upgraded my hardtail to a MicroShift setup, I chose the advent over the acolyte. Couldn't beat the value. Where else are you going to get a new, unused, clutched, rear deraileur with ball bearing shifter for less than 90 USD? I did splurge a little more on my cranks though and I went with a blackops crank with a 32t chain ring.
Like many people here, I would have rather seen a comparison to SLX or even Deore. I ran an Eagle X01 12 speed drivetrain since 2017. While it works well when it works, the rear derr is flimsy and poorly engineered. The jockey wheel screws pull out and everything gets eaten by the cassette. These derrs are far too expensive to trash on a regular basis. I can't imagine paying big bucks to replace a wireless derr due to a design flaw. The X01 cassette and XD driver body is a thing of beauty but also crazy expensive.
I swapped to a Shimano XT 12 speed drivetrain to get off of $ram upgrade train. Overall it's excellent, the shifting is WAY better than Sram but the cassette is a lot heavier and Shimano microspline freehubs always fail. The multiple upshift and downshifts from the XT shifter is great. I did break a spring inside the shifter and the Shimano warranty process is utterly useless, in my experience.
Shimano has never made a strong freehub, I've broken too many to count since the 7 speed era. I used a Sram hub that was also crap so they're no better. Pair a 12 speed Shimano drivetrain with a strong hub (e.g. DT, Chris King, Tarin Shogun, etc) and you'll have perfect shifting and save thousands of dollars over the long run. OneUp oval rings up front will save some money too. The XT rear derr has been pretty strong so far, has a serviceable and adjustable clutch, and it's about 1/2 the cost of X01 or less. The Shimano 12 sp XT cassette is like a throwback to the 90s with rivets, separate cogs and different sized spacers, but it works great. I'm running an SLX cassette due to lack of parts availability and it shifts as good as XT. I would expect Deore to shift well too. If weight is a big concern, you could buy a Garbaruk cassette instead - still cheaper than an Eagle cassette.
like gettin stranded with one gear in the middle of nowhere, get a hyper expensive electronic deraileur. but hey dad bods gotta impress the other dad bods. lol
Cheap Drivetrain and great suspension is the way to go on budget.
The invention of the one by drive train!!! Please. GB :)
I think the idea is great, I would have prefered to see a comparison between Henry's bike (as it has been so far) and Jason's bike being upgraded with parts that most people would buy, those super expensive bike parts only 0.00001% of people buy them. so for example, for on Herny's bike stays Himalo and Jason's bike upgrades to Rockshox 35 gold and compare the difference, for me that would have been a real (more fair) comparison.
The main take away from running srams 10 speed set up was the derailleur was the weak link.The joint pins on the devices main body were either made of cheese or a smaller diameter and migrated through the metal swiftly, so with sram something like xo will last, i have x1 o my enduro and its really lasted, 3 years and ta few thousand miles all remains tight. the x9 derailleur 6 months if lucky.
the only thing id add is if you smash derailleurs al the time go cheap otherwise that £60 cheap unit will be replaced so many times over distance it will cost at least twice the £170 unit. Thats my experience since 2015 averaging 4800 to 12,000 miles per year. (yes one year 400 a month some nearer 1000 as wasn't sleeping, really really not sleeping so day/night was out there)
hope this helps
Why is everyone saying absolutely.........can't they think for themselves
When referring to gearing ratio, you should mention the wheel size.
Eg. Henry thinking back to his old 34-42, there is every chance that was fitted on a 26" bike which is a perfectly reasonable ratio. On a 27.5 or 29 you would want to drop down the front chainring to compensate for the larger wheel with the same derailleur.
Great video 🤩 but Singlespeed is all I need 🤪
I love how they turn the camera away from jason as he destroys the freehub threads because he is using the huge tool vs a freewheel socket.
Please finish the series with what new bike you could get for the money you have spent and if at this point buying a new bike would make more sense :)
Dirty cheap vs. Baller. At least they should have tried the Advent X.
I’d honestly after spending so much on the electric derailer I’d hit a rock and break it on the first ride. Although if I had the money I wouldn’t hesitate at all to run the electric shift, best thing ever I think
I have the advent 9spd with springlock, $120 I think, stopped all drops so far . Engagement is a little harsh on shifts underpower. It's quiet on the trails, and seems to be decent quality in general.
I thought this series was Friday Fails season 2 until I read the title
Its funny how Henry did not even care about an endcap on his shifting cable 🤣
When buying budget parts, people still consider quality. They don't just buy the cheapest parts when they could pay like 20 more to get a much better part
Check out DNM USD-6 Inverted 160MM forks, they're absolutely amazing especially given the price. They're built to a high standard, just as good as any of the well known brands in my opinion and I've owned forks from most manufacturers. In fact I went from a Caine Creek Helm to the DNM USD-6 and honestly preferred the DNM!
Ever tried a rohloff speed hub instead of this easy to break derailleurs?? Shifting when not peddeling, and Shifting while pedeling!
in the very last episode to compare better the upgrade jason is gonna get a new shiny frame, seems fair to me ahahah
Invention of 1x drivetrain? Dude everyone in BC was doing that 20 years ago.
Never seen so much finger lubing before the watershed !
самое важное на первых секундах показали))) а на самом деле спасибо за познавательный контент!!!!
I would like to see more effort put into these budget vs baller comparisons. The approach is not realistic and an insult to our intelligence.
Example. I am a budget guy. My last 2 bikes came with bottom end NX and SX sram 11s and 12s. Neither would not stay adjusted cuz they suk. I replaced them with the GX derailleur and left the rest. That was just over $100. Its been solid, and likely performs exactly as the the top dollar set up other than weight.