I m an engineer with an advanced degree in electronic engineering. The thing that I can never understand is that, based on the number of units these companies manufacture, for just a few dollars more (or pounds as they say on your side of the pond), they can make them sound as good as anything else on the market. The most expensive components on the parts list are probably the transformers, which will definitely affect the sound, but at the quantities that they purchase, a top quality transformer would not add that much to the total cost to build the amp. Other components cost pennies. So there are two basic reasons for the amp not to sound great, inferior components or inferior engineering. If the problem is the engineering or design, then just hire competent engineers who know what a good amp should sound like (in other words, engineers who are guitar players),. If the problem is in the quality of the components, then just use better components and raise the price $25.00 to cover it. They might lose a sale or two because of the price, but if they built a better amp they most likely wind up selling more units and actually be more profitable in the long run. If someone was ready to spend $300.00 for a decent amp, they would surely spend $350.00 for a killer one. The actual manufacturing cost (engineering costs put aside) of a $50,000.00 Dumble amp probably isn't much more than two to three times that of a $1,000.00 Fender amp
You’d be surprised at how much it costs to get a guaranteed supply of a $25 product. If you want to be on the priority list, you have to sign a contract. A contract requires legal review and penalties for late payments. In theory you are absolutely correct. In practice, a few extra quality parts makes you Jim Marshall.
As another engineer who had master degree on power amps and amps in general when it comes to music, well i have to say that guitar players think trough price tag, there is nothing wrong with this Bugera. The same amp is the Vox nigh train but with that name they like it more. Put this amp into another box and tell them it cost 2000E/ US$ etc they will be in love with it. Like it was hard to change the tubes, or to move away amp from gadgets with large transformer and bunch of cables that are causing that noise in the video? Of course not. Anyhow i tried this amps and they are great IMHO. Not the best amp in the world because that is very subjective thing, but from engineering stand point this amps are well made and when i play trough them they are OK and i know pro musicians who like them a lot. But they are honest and some say that are afraid because of the name, will it last on the road and so on. Anyhow my experience is positive one.
Most valve amps are clones of one another. For the most part I disagree with some of these opinions. If you a / b'd these blindly with some other amps you would probably have different opinions. Same goes for guitars. Sounds like there's something is wrong with that amp if 50 watts of tube amp can't out loud a 50 watt solid state digital amp.
Peolple who starts arguments with "As a..." discredits their own argument. You don't need credentials for a good point. That said, i disagree with you. They don't sound bad at all. Bugera belongs to Music Tribe (they own Behringer, TC Electronic, Helicon and many other brands) a german global holding. They cut costs by manufacturing every single part in many facilities from around globe, from speakers to screws. The "engeneering" is based on cloning famous circuits (T50 is a clone of Vox night train 50H) that are sellable but has production design flaws that make they expensive and fail on the market due to price. So they correct those flaws and produce it at a competitive cost. Nothing wrong with bugera or behringer. This amp sounds amazing for the consumer it targets and Infinium is really a game changing technology and the only one able to allow tubes to still be a thing. The high demand mass consumer products can't be expensive. Infinium take those costs and make it accessible. I'm selling all my tube amps and buying Bugera Infiniums... Tube amplification for decades without biasing, matching, servicing, shopping, blablabla. Just plug and play. That's what consumers want. That's what they deliver. Marshall, on the other hand, is interested in selling headphones, mugs, t shirts and bluetooth speakers. Is a merch brand and thats all. Check out the entry line of Marshall from 10 years to now. Its horrible. You can't find a single one working properly, tube or SS.
#1 the chrome cage catches stage lights nicely. #2 most people who buy this amp replace the tubes with higher quality ones. #3 you get what you pay for. Spend a little more money and buy the Bugera 333XL. Sounds as good if not better than most tube amps out there. I liked it so much I bought 2, one for the studio and one for gigging.
I'd love to see what you guys would think of some of the other budget valve amps out there! Stuff like the Monoprice Stage Right 15, 50, or Bugera V5 or V22 are pretty well liked generally
Probably would moan and moan and moan and moan. So embarrassing to watch thfm. Unless it's a vintage amp or the one they costs thousands it wouldn't cut for this motley crew. Nothing wrong with this amp in terms of sound, and just move it away from obvious EMF to reduce the standby noise.
You guys are not wrong…the solution simply is to put a lower gain preamp tube into second valve from left….i put in a 20 gain ecc82 equivalent (a philips 5963)…now lead channel is just great aswell!
I think that you guys may have gotten a bad unit. I run a T50 infinium through a Fender 412 cab and have to constantly turn down because the Fender 100 W amp of the other guitar player is being drowned out. Once you break in the gain channel sound amazing.
@@colinclark1981 mine is totally silent too. Impressively so. Even with massive EMF or several pedals. I accidentally wrecked a table so my T50 had abrupt and direct contact with the concrete floor from 1m/3.3 feet height. Not even a hickup. Luck? For sure. A bit wall-eyed cage now, but it sounds good.
You guys were complaining about the low end being incredibly flabby/woofy, why not cut the lows in that case? There is not rule saying every tone control needs to be in operation to get a good sound. I never use my low knob on any of my amps. I guess the positive here is that this will help keep prices down.
tbh i really liked the sag and sound of this amp. i also noticed on my bugera 6262 that i have to turn it up quite a lot. the 6262 is a somewhat/almost copy of the peavey 6505+. i own a peavey 6505+ and just wanted the bugera for playing shows due to the self biasing thing and cheaper price, so it wouldn't be too bad if the thing got damaged. the humming/noise is pretty equal on both amps at equal volumes, which is a non issue to me since i use a nouse gate pedal in any case because of the levels of gain i play at. the bugera needs a lot more twist on the volume dial to get to the same volume as the peavey, despite both being nominally at 120watt output power. i'm very satisfied with it.
I have a Bugera V55HD that has one of the best clean channels I’ve ever heard. I’m not crazy about the dirty channel but it really is the perfect pedal platform. By the way, did you try running a boost or overdrive pedal through it to see if it will get rid of the flabby bottom end?
Exactly right. I upgraded the tubes and sorry, but it sounds excellent. And I don't mean just so so excellent - I mean, stage ready/recording ready excellent.
I am a novice and casual guitar player. I owned Marshall 410H, Mesa Boogie Mark v, Orange Rocker 15, Bugera V22, Bugera T5, Vox AC4C1-12 and a few cheap digital amps. In terms of tones, only AC4C1-12 I am less satisfied. I like Marshall tone best. For me, the rest are on par against each other, except prices differences do dictate the ranking of funtionality in the same orders. To be honest, I am not going after any particular tone. I'd adjust for a tone I like best, which varies over time and moods.
Unbelievable… I tune in to see you guys give good reviews. Now I have to lower my expectations 🤭 lots of love for this one. This one will not be a cigar. Now the katana and amp1? 3 cigars!!!!
@@christianboddum8783 Never had any reliability issue with either my 333XL or the Trirec. But the latter was just not cutting it (sound-wise) for me. Eventually, I got rid of the tubes and nowadays I 'm using a Katana MKII head. If I had the space I would happily get a 333XL again (or an EVH 5150 or both :p)
This is the second review I've come across where the reviewer has said [paraphrasing] "the Clean sound is good, Dirty, so-so". While viewing dozens of amp/amp head videos some patterns have emerged. There seems to be a move towards Clean in both recording and live performances because (long story shorter) it's easier for both to produce the "desired" sound from a clean tone. I've not come across a single reviewer that has said "these are not reliable", and they've been out since the 2010's. I'm NOT a pro musician but I enjoy a lot of small venue concerts. Everything I've heard (even from you here) seems to indicate that this would be a solid choice for at least more low key performers. Especially, since most have to consider budget from the start. Honestly, your review left me scratching my head.
Why not put a drive pedal in front of it to tighten up the bottom and to give some more saturation? That has historically been a go to answer for a ton of amps and I’m just curious why that wasn’t attempted.
I appreciate the honest review and even trying to highlight what was good about it. I own a Bugera G5 Infinium 5 Watt Tube Head and I’m very happy with it. Obviously not the best amp in the world but great for bedroom and home recording. If you had a chance to review that one I would be very curious of your thoughts. None the less, keep up the good work. BTW, I also have a Boss Katana MK 1 and I have also purchased your Katana packs and loved them. 👍🏻
If I remember correctly, this was made to be a replica (can we say that?) of the Vox NightTrain mk1, which wasn't exactly a particularly good amp in its own right. I do wonder why Bugera chose to make their own version of that amp rather than the AC15/30. They went for the Peavey 5150 and JSX, Marshall Plexi and JCM900, Matchless and Mesa Mark V (which we're definitely not allowed to talk about 🤫), and then ... the NightTrain?! I'd recommend trying the Vox so you can see they're both naff, or trying one of the other Bugeras so you can see the good models they've made 🙂
I think it's been pretty well "RUclips proven" recently that 90% of our tone comes from our speakers. And furthermore, V30s are about the only acceptable speaker in which to receive the golden tone. Hence the insane cost of GENUINE V30's I play one of these t50's and it's no secret, that I'm a cheap gear aficionado. And this amp is capable of making all of the right noises, with ample headroom, and really cuts through the ether.
I've been so divided on getting this one. Props for an innovative look, and i like the twangy metallic clamg and quack you can get from it. But I'd need a more reliable high gain tone personally, and the PRS MT does it for a few more bucks. Still curious about the Bugsra G series though and 333. Either way i hope the Infinium technology catches on.
Too bad you guys didn't try the Bugera Tri-Rec instead. Or really entertain yourselves with the Bugera 1960 150 watt Marshall Plexi clone. Both of those amps are very very good for the money.
Did you had the amp in Class A or Class AB setting?? But yes, you tried wrong amp, better ones would have been V series or 100 watt heads. Never order amp based on how it looks 😀
They did obviously not notice the switch at the back of it. And got speakers with low sensitivity. A mystery to me... The difference between a 50W amp and a 100W one, is 3dB. Nothing more, nothing less.
The v22 Infinium is a great amp and even better with a Tube upgrade. The gain channel isn't the greatest so I run a pedal board into the clean channel using my overdrive and distortion in front, any reverb or delay I run through the effects loop.
I own a v22inf combo . Changed all the tubes, and I run the bright input with the mid boost on. It sounds like a fender with extra mids . I like it. What can I say. It's a vintagy sound and great clean platform. But if you spend 100 more bucks you can def buy something better
the clean sounded kinda nice but nobody buys an amp like this for the clean channel if so just get a Fender. if it sounded as good as it looked would be an amazing amp
Hola, creo que no hubo justicia con la opinión sobre este amplificador, fue como hablar de un marshall sin un ts9 ts8 conectado, lo cual seria debastador para cualquier que necesite utilizar un marshall…. Compre el equipo solo para tener una opinion al respecto, concuerdo que el equipo , con las valvulas de fabrica es una basura, y obviamente faltan componentes en su placa que podrian ayudar a refinar su sonido, pero si pueden invertir 100 euros mas y reemplazar las valvulas, quienes lo utilicen pqra rock EL34 quienes utilicen para metal 6L6 , ademas de contar con un overdrive de previo o Booster , este equipo puede funcionar muy bien en estilos de alta ganancia, ademas debes considerar que cada amplificador a tubos, tiene su pareja ideal de altavoces, es como utilizar una caja 1960 marshall con un mesa boogie rectifier, es algo inaudible. Esta amplificador si se puede usar para todos los estilos de metal, pero considera lo antes mencionado en mi opinion, debes cambiar tubos, tener un overdrive de preamp y utilizar altavoces adecuados para este amplificador, idealmente en 4 u 8 Ohm …… y es lo mismo que harías o debes hacer con un marshall si lo quisieras para heavy metal o trash metal…. La mayoria de los amplificadores pueden llegar a un buen sonido, solo tienes que pensar si quieres algo con un sonido ya listo y definido compra un alta gama como ENGL o Mesa Boogie o Friedman , pero si no tienes presupuesto , debes considerar que deberas mejoras el sonido de tu amplifcador basico , con filtros que debes hacer con pedales, tantos como sea necesarios para llegar a ese sonido que necesitas….. Suerte y Exito… Todo es Posible
Take into consideration, that these guys probably only used one of the two powertubes in this "demo". And more importantly, the speakers. This can be a bit confusing, but look into it. An amp with 50W and a 1x12" driver with a *sensitivity rating* of 103dB. Would have the same output as a 100W amp with a 1x12" driver with a sensitivity of 100dB. (This is a bit simplisticly explained, it is more into it than that. Look into this if it is of importance) Another example. You can stack drivers, from 1x12, to 2x12 and so on, and have a much greater outcome in the output department, than focusing just on a 20/30/50/100w amp. The bigger wattage amps typically got more clean headroom, but that necessarily is not what is wanted. A bit of breakup could be cool, with small amps, but with plenty of drivers, you would get the output. Too. (or PA and tiny ones miced up) And vice versa. You could get a driver to break up too. Look it up and decide what you need. MY T50 with 1x12" can play with plenty of volume, and oomph, and fills the room 60m2 with ease. Typically i dont go beyond 12oClock. That volume is heard outside. But more importantly, it sounds good way below that. And that aint all that common.
I hadn't played in years and bought two of these and a cheap Epiphone guitar and thought this sounded okay for a while but I could never get it set /dialed in as I would like and finally admitted I had some what wasted my money on these amps and I was amazed to see they are selling for 499$ U.S. now after I had paid 300$ each . I bought a lot of pedals and came to the same conclusion you did . The clean was useful with pedals but here I was searching for videos to see if there was something I could do to get a better sound lol And there was that Tone cut knob ,,,what tone ? I just wanted to back you up on your review . I was lucky and got a deal on a Fender Super that blows these away with volume on 1 . Cheers
Lots of great music has been recorded on a lot worse amps than this over the years. This is a great little amp if you know how to use it properly...and can play.
The Bugera V22 is much better than the T50. I think they do a better job with their combos than their heads. I would still go with the Marshall DSL if you want an affordable tube amp for a couple hundred more, however, I just found a brand new Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister Deluxe 20 for $650, so I went that way instead, and am very happy.
I’m trying to decide between this, the V22 head, and the Dv mark micro 60 CMT (which is a hybrid with only one small tube). Can’t decide… why do you say the v22 is better than this one?
Cant beleive they suggest a katana omg I have lots of high quality gear .. Sounds like it was going thru celestion. ... Fatal . the speaker matched up correctly makes a difference to any amp. Some of my rigs are 5k plus. But i just bought one after trying a more expensive valve head i stumbled on this . i dont beleive the critique. But each person has their own opinion .. After all i wouldnt wear your underpants
I got one of these in a gear trade and thought there must be something wrong with it. The clean channel does sound good but doesn't have near the volume as the gain channel that sounds like a buzzsaw, and even my 12 watt Princeton Reverb is a good bit louder than it. The transformers are quite big and I wonder why these amps are so underpowered? Surely it's cathode bias but still my 5e3 is louder? I wonder if the chassis and transformers are worth a rewire ... ? Thanks for the confirmation video!
@@tarkett8529 50 Origin isn’t even needed to be honest - it’s so loud. 20watt will cope with most applications and give you nice power tube breakup earlier. Interesting that the guys didn’t mention the Marshall DSL 20 HR which they have reviewed before and is also very cheap.
I just bought this amp (bedroom player) and LOVED the cleans with my strat, but I noticed the lead channel was absolute crap and after watching your video this made me realize I wasnt alone. What OD or distortion pedal were you using? I thought it sounded awesome with that!
the amplifier is excellent, the guitar sound is rubbish, the amplifier is good for its versatility, it has a wide gain range for every taste, and not like the goon Vox for example - here you have a separate amplifier for hell knows how much money with the most mean gain, if you don’t like it, buy a little more from as more advanced and we have ten modifications with other options……..
I think the Infinium V 55 combo sounds better than that head. I bet it weighs a crap load though but that wouldn't have bothered me 20 years ago. These days I'm leaning towards buying a tone master but I love tubes.
Mr. Pink shirt seems to be a chronic complainer. The fact that he does not understand the "Tone" cut indicates he's ignorant and also clearly his hearing acumen is very questionable. Does anyone believe that real musicians have such snarky attitudes toward guitar gear? These guy's here just get off on being people who make fun of things they don't know how to use properly.
@@TheStudioRats except that it isnt. Plenty of folks with tried and true gear, you would approve of, appreciate them greatly. Even compared to other stuff of merit. Find the class A/AB switch on the 3rd one you try. And solve your grounding issues.
I m an engineer with an advanced degree in electronic engineering. The thing that I can never understand is that, based on the number of units these companies manufacture, for just a few dollars more (or pounds as they say on your side of the pond), they can make them sound as good as anything else on the market. The most expensive components on the parts list are probably the transformers, which will definitely affect the sound, but at the quantities that they purchase, a top quality transformer would not add that much to the total cost to build the amp. Other components cost pennies. So there are two basic reasons for the amp not to sound great, inferior components or inferior engineering. If the problem is the engineering or design, then just hire competent engineers who know what a good amp should sound like (in other words, engineers who are guitar players),. If the problem is in the quality of the components, then just use better components and raise the price $25.00 to cover it. They might lose a sale or two because of the price, but if they built a better amp they most likely wind up selling more units and actually be more profitable in the long run. If someone was ready to spend $300.00 for a decent amp, they would surely spend $350.00 for a killer one. The actual manufacturing cost (engineering costs put aside) of a $50,000.00 Dumble amp probably isn't much more than two to three times that of a $1,000.00 Fender amp
All great points Bruce!
You’d be surprised at how much it costs to get a guaranteed supply of a $25 product. If you want to be on the priority list, you have to sign a contract. A contract requires legal review and penalties for late payments. In theory you are absolutely correct. In practice, a few extra quality parts makes you Jim Marshall.
As another engineer who had master degree on power amps and amps in general when it comes to music, well i have to say that guitar players think trough price tag, there is nothing wrong with this Bugera. The same amp is the Vox nigh train but with that name they like it more. Put this amp into another box and tell them it cost 2000E/ US$ etc they will be in love with it. Like it was hard to change the tubes, or to move away amp from gadgets with large transformer and bunch of cables that are causing that noise in the video? Of course not. Anyhow i tried this amps and they are great IMHO. Not the best amp in the world because that is very subjective thing, but from engineering stand point this amps are well made and when i play trough them they are OK and i know pro musicians who like them a lot.
But they are honest and some say that are afraid because of the name, will it last on the road and so on. Anyhow my experience is positive one.
Most valve amps are clones of one another. For the most part I disagree with some of these opinions. If you a / b'd these blindly with some other amps you would probably have different opinions. Same goes for guitars.
Sounds like there's something is wrong with that amp if 50 watts of tube amp can't out loud a 50 watt solid state digital amp.
Peolple who starts arguments with "As a..." discredits their own argument. You don't need credentials for a good point. That said, i disagree with you. They don't sound bad at all. Bugera belongs to Music Tribe (they own Behringer, TC Electronic, Helicon and many other brands) a german global holding. They cut costs by manufacturing every single part in many facilities from around globe, from speakers to screws. The "engeneering" is based on cloning famous circuits (T50 is a clone of Vox night train 50H) that are sellable but has production design flaws that make they expensive and fail on the market due to price. So they correct those flaws and produce it at a competitive cost. Nothing wrong with bugera or behringer. This amp sounds amazing for the consumer it targets and Infinium is really a game changing technology and the only one able to allow tubes to still be a thing. The high demand mass consumer products can't be expensive. Infinium take those costs and make it accessible. I'm selling all my tube amps and buying Bugera Infiniums... Tube amplification for decades without biasing, matching, servicing, shopping, blablabla. Just plug and play. That's what consumers want. That's what they deliver. Marshall, on the other hand, is interested in selling headphones, mugs, t shirts and bluetooth speakers. Is a merch brand and thats all. Check out the entry line of Marshall from 10 years to now. Its horrible. You can't find a single one working properly, tube or SS.
#1 the chrome cage catches stage lights nicely. #2 most people who buy this amp replace the tubes with higher quality ones. #3 you get what you pay for. Spend a little more money and buy the Bugera 333XL. Sounds as good if not better than most tube amps out there. I liked it so much I bought 2, one for the studio and one for gigging.
Don't bother swapping out the tubes. You won't hear a difference.
I’ve got a Bugera 333XL. Had it for years and it replaced my TSL100. It’s awesome.
I'd love to see what you guys would think of some of the other budget valve amps out there! Stuff like the Monoprice Stage Right 15, 50, or Bugera V5 or V22 are pretty well liked generally
Probably would moan and moan and moan and moan. So embarrassing to watch thfm. Unless it's a vintage amp or the one they costs thousands it wouldn't cut for this motley crew. Nothing wrong with this amp in terms of sound, and just move it away from obvious EMF to reduce the standby noise.
@@TheDanielGuy23 I own the V55 infinium and the stage right 5, 15, and 30. I don't regret buying them one bit. They definitely hold their own.
You guys are not wrong…the solution simply is to put a lower gain preamp tube into second valve from left….i put in a 20 gain ecc82 equivalent (a philips 5963)…now lead channel is just great aswell!
I think that you guys may have gotten a bad unit. I run a T50 infinium through a Fender 412 cab and have to constantly turn down because the Fender 100 W amp of the other guitar player is being drowned out. Once you break in the gain channel sound amazing.
Definitely a bad unit, or bad reading of the manual, or both.
yeah mines loud as fuck with no noise. i love my t50
@@colinclark1981 mine is totally silent too. Impressively so. Even with massive EMF or several pedals.
I accidentally wrecked a table so my T50 had abrupt and direct contact with the concrete floor from 1m/3.3 feet height.
Not even a hickup. Luck? For sure.
A bit wall-eyed cage now, but it sounds good.
@@colinclark1981 yeah. Mine idles far quieter than my bandmates
@@R.Stridstrom pretty sure this review is out of amp snobbery.
You guys were complaining about the low end being incredibly flabby/woofy, why not cut the lows in that case? There is not rule saying every tone control needs to be in operation to get a good sound. I never use my low knob on any of my amps.
I guess the positive here is that this will help keep prices down.
Or change the speaker, or use an active EQ, or... or... Well. As said above, good for me, i will buy another one, keeps the prices low.
Amp Snobbery!! All this is!
Bought it, changed all original tubes for EH plus first step of preamp for ay and it rules.
tbh i really liked the sag and sound of this amp.
i also noticed on my bugera 6262 that i have to turn it up quite a lot. the 6262 is a somewhat/almost copy of the peavey 6505+. i own a peavey 6505+ and just wanted the bugera for playing shows due to the self biasing thing and cheaper price, so it wouldn't be too bad if the thing got damaged. the humming/noise is pretty equal on both amps at equal volumes, which is a non issue to me since i use a nouse gate pedal in any case because of the levels of gain i play at. the bugera needs a lot more twist on the volume dial to get to the same volume as the peavey, despite both being nominally at 120watt output power. i'm very satisfied with it.
What are you guys hearing in that room? Everything you've played sounds fantastic!
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They're hearing with their eyes, sad... turn the bloody bass tone knob down ffs?!
I have a Bugera V55HD that has one of the best clean channels I’ve ever heard. I’m not crazy about the dirty channel but it really is the perfect pedal platform. By the way, did you try running a boost or overdrive pedal through it to see if it will get rid of the flabby bottom end?
Please chang the tubes and try again. The noise is crap tubes. Good power tubes are the key. I love mine after new tubes
Thanks for the tip Aaron
Exactly right. I upgraded the tubes and sorry, but it sounds excellent. And I don't mean just so so excellent - I mean, stage ready/recording ready excellent.
@@zachleary108 which tubes did you go for?
@@MrStevie777 Genalex Gold Lions. Sounds great granted I never play the amp past 50% volume or gain.
I am a novice and casual guitar player. I owned Marshall 410H, Mesa Boogie Mark v, Orange Rocker 15, Bugera V22, Bugera T5, Vox AC4C1-12 and a few cheap digital amps.
In terms of tones, only AC4C1-12 I am less satisfied. I like Marshall tone best.
For me, the rest are on par against each other, except prices differences do dictate the ranking of funtionality in the same orders.
To be honest, I am not going after any particular tone. I'd adjust for a tone I like best, which varies over time and moods.
I had one of these…it’s essentially a Vox Night Train. It was a good amp…I don’t why I sold it…I only used the clean channel.
Unbelievable… I tune in to see you guys give good reviews. Now I have to lower my expectations 🤭 lots of love for this one. This one will not be a cigar. Now the katana and amp1? 3 cigars!!!!
it is a class A and a class A/B. there is a button on the back did you try both?
333XL is a great amp as well as the 6260/6262. I also had the Trirec, but I was not that impressed. I sold it eventually.
I had 3 Trirecs, they all blew up within a week!!! Also had a strange loop design. Promising amp but never made it in my life ;-)
@@christianboddum8783 Never had any reliability issue with either my 333XL or the Trirec. But the latter was just not cutting it (sound-wise) for me. Eventually, I got rid of the tubes and nowadays I 'm using a Katana MKII head. If I had the space I would happily get a 333XL again (or an EVH 5150 or both :p)
Yeah man! I’ve got a 333XL. It’s ace
This is the second review I've come across where the reviewer has said [paraphrasing] "the Clean sound is good, Dirty, so-so". While viewing dozens of amp/amp head videos some patterns have emerged. There seems to be a move towards Clean in both recording and live performances because (long story shorter) it's easier for both to produce the "desired" sound from a clean tone. I've not come across a single reviewer that has said "these are not reliable", and they've been out since the 2010's. I'm NOT a pro musician but I enjoy a lot of small venue concerts. Everything I've heard (even from you here) seems to indicate that this would be a solid choice for at least more low key performers. Especially, since most have to consider budget from the start. Honestly, your review left me scratching my head.
I don’t really understand your comment . I do not think this is a good amp.
@@TheStudioRatsЯ думаю,вы просто хорошо обманываете за деньги,которые вам платят конкуренты этих усилителей Bugera
I used to own the 6262 head just as clean pedal platform an it did the job well in live situations. Wasnt keen on the lead channel personally.
Why not put a drive pedal in front of it to tighten up the bottom and to give some more saturation? That has historically been a go to answer for a ton of amps and I’m just curious why that wasn’t attempted.
I appreciate the honest review and even trying to highlight what was good about it. I own a Bugera G5 Infinium 5 Watt Tube Head and I’m very happy with it. Obviously not the best amp in the world but great for bedroom and home recording. If you had a chance to review that one I would be very curious of your thoughts.
None the less, keep up the good work.
BTW, I also have a Boss Katana MK 1 and I have also purchased your Katana packs and loved them. 👍🏻
Cheers Chris. I’ll see if we can get hold of the G5.
If possible, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the Blackstar Silverline and the smaller Joyo Jackman/Zombie amps.
I purchased mine for the clean channel….!🎶👍🏻
I purchased most of my tub amplifiers for the clean channel ………..🎶👍🏻🎸
Is it only for guitars or the output frequency is full range and could work as a hi-fi monoblock?
That OD IF the boards are easily accessible could easily be tweaked to a proper sound
If I remember correctly, this was made to be a replica (can we say that?) of the Vox NightTrain mk1, which wasn't exactly a particularly good amp in its own right. I do wonder why Bugera chose to make their own version of that amp rather than the AC15/30. They went for the Peavey 5150 and JSX, Marshall Plexi and JCM900, Matchless and Mesa Mark V (which we're definitely not allowed to talk about 🤫), and then ... the NightTrain?!
I'd recommend trying the Vox so you can see they're both naff, or trying one of the other Bugeras so you can see the good models they've made 🙂
I think it's been pretty well "RUclips proven" recently that 90% of our tone comes from our speakers. And furthermore, V30s are about the only acceptable speaker in which to receive the golden tone. Hence the insane cost of GENUINE V30's I play one of these t50's and it's no secret, that I'm a cheap gear aficionado. And this amp is capable of making all of the right noises, with ample headroom, and really cuts through the ether.
The G5, 333XL and V22 seem to be Bugera's best amps
The PRS MT 15 that these guys love so much is absolutely just as noisy.
i had a T50 and returned it right away. the better Bugeras are the Vintige line... v5, v22, v55. i have all3 and like them very much
Is it really better? Why?
My question is, " why the T infinitum when You've already got the V infinitum line? Those a decent amps.
Thank you for your honest opinion 👏🏻
I've been so divided on getting this one. Props for an innovative look, and i like the twangy metallic clamg and quack you can get from it. But I'd need a more reliable high gain tone personally, and the PRS MT does it for a few more bucks. Still curious about the Bugsra G series though and 333. Either way i hope the Infinium technology catches on.
The MT is a much superior amp. The Bugera is junk.
can you do a VOX Cambridge 50 review???i really need your honest review for that amp before i decide to buy it..
I know it’s a lower wattage amp but the Laney Cub Supertop 15 has got to be a good shout. Great review as always.
And not to forget for around £100 more you can get an AC15 and Peavey Classic 20 also both cracking amps.
I was thinking about getting one and running distortion pedals through the clean channel
Too bad you guys didn't try the Bugera Tri-Rec instead. Or really entertain yourselves with the Bugera 1960 150 watt Marshall Plexi clone. Both of those amps are very very good for the money.
Would love to see you guys test the Marshall 1amp head, that's under £300 and be nice to see how that compares between katana.
I like honesty. Thanks for your honest review
Did you had the amp in Class A or Class AB setting??
But yes, you tried wrong amp, better ones would have been V series or 100 watt heads.
Never order amp based on how it looks 😀
They did obviously not notice the switch at the back of it. And got speakers with low sensitivity.
A mystery to me...
The difference between a 50W amp and a 100W one, is 3dB.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Why are the v series better
@@HappyChillmore How it is designed, they sounds good right away, good clean and good overdrive channel
Are ANY bugera amps good?
All three I have played have been at least great. Those from my experience would be the 1960 (besty best best), 1990 (great), 6260 (also great).
The v22 Infinium is a great amp and even better with a Tube upgrade. The gain channel isn't the greatest so I run a pedal board into the clean channel using my overdrive and distortion in front, any reverb or delay I run through the effects loop.
I own a v22inf combo . Changed all the tubes, and I run the bright input with the mid boost on.
It sounds like a fender with extra mids .
I like it. What can I say. It's a vintagy sound and great clean platform. But if you spend 100 more bucks you can def buy something better
the clean sounded kinda nice but nobody buys an amp like this for the clean channel if so just get a Fender. if it sounded as good as it
looked would be an amazing amp
Give it a few more years, and the answer will be yes, as history has taught us time and again. Given tube amps will still be cool then lol.
the clean sounded kinda nice but nobody buys an amp like this for the clean channel if so just get a Fender
Hola, creo que no hubo justicia con la opinión sobre este amplificador, fue como hablar de un marshall sin un ts9 ts8 conectado, lo cual seria debastador para cualquier que necesite utilizar un marshall…. Compre el equipo solo para tener una opinion al respecto, concuerdo que el equipo , con las valvulas de fabrica es una basura, y obviamente faltan componentes en su placa que podrian ayudar a refinar su sonido, pero si pueden invertir 100 euros mas y reemplazar las valvulas, quienes lo utilicen pqra rock EL34 quienes utilicen para metal 6L6 , ademas de contar con un overdrive de previo o Booster , este equipo puede funcionar muy bien en estilos de alta ganancia, ademas debes considerar que cada amplificador a tubos, tiene su pareja ideal de altavoces, es como utilizar una caja 1960 marshall con un mesa boogie rectifier, es algo inaudible. Esta amplificador si se puede usar para todos los estilos de metal, pero considera lo antes mencionado en mi opinion, debes cambiar tubos, tener un overdrive de preamp y utilizar altavoces adecuados para este amplificador, idealmente en 4 u 8 Ohm …… y es lo mismo que harías o debes hacer con un marshall si lo quisieras para heavy metal o trash metal…. La mayoria de los amplificadores pueden llegar a un buen sonido, solo tienes que pensar si quieres algo con un sonido ya listo y definido compra un alta gama como ENGL o Mesa Boogie o Friedman , pero si no tienes presupuesto , debes considerar que deberas mejoras el sonido de tu amplifcador basico , con filtros que debes hacer con pedales, tantos como sea necesarios para llegar a ese sonido que necesitas….. Suerte y Exito… Todo es Posible
Все в точку.Согласен с вами,на все 100
Very nice video!! Does Marshall DSL 20 play louder than Bugera T50? Thanks
Take into consideration, that these guys probably only used one of the two powertubes in this "demo".
And more importantly, the speakers.
This can be a bit confusing, but look into it.
An amp with 50W and a 1x12" driver with a *sensitivity rating* of 103dB.
Would have the same output as a 100W amp with a 1x12" driver with a sensitivity of 100dB.
(This is a bit simplisticly explained, it is more into it than that. Look into this if it is of importance)
Another example. You can stack drivers, from 1x12, to 2x12 and so on, and have a much greater outcome in the output department, than focusing just on a 20/30/50/100w amp.
The bigger wattage amps typically got more clean headroom, but that necessarily is not what is wanted.
A bit of breakup could be cool, with small amps, but with plenty of drivers, you would get the output. Too.
(or PA and tiny ones miced up)
And vice versa. You could get a driver to break up too.
Look it up and decide what you need.
MY T50 with 1x12" can play with plenty of volume, and oomph, and fills the room 60m2 with ease. Typically i dont go beyond 12oClock. That volume is heard outside.
But more importantly, it sounds good way below that. And that aint all that common.
Waiting your review on the new peavey vypyr x series 🍻
I hadn't played in years and bought two of these and a cheap Epiphone guitar and thought this sounded okay for a while but I could never get it set /dialed in as I would like and finally admitted I had some what wasted my money on these amps and I was amazed to see they are selling for 499$ U.S. now after I had paid 300$ each . I bought a lot of pedals and came to the same conclusion you did . The clean was useful with pedals but here I was searching for videos to see if there was something I could do to get a better sound lol And there was that Tone cut knob ,,,what tone ? I just wanted to back you up on your review . I was lucky and got a deal on a Fender Super that blows these away with volume on 1 . Cheers
Those Fender Supers are fab!
Lots of great music has been recorded on a lot worse amps than this over the years.
This is a great little amp if you know how to use it properly...and can play.
Well, it does 😅 But really nice playing!
The Bugera V22 is much better than the T50. I think they do a better job with their combos than their heads. I would still go with the Marshall DSL if you want an affordable tube amp for a couple hundred more, however, I just found a brand new Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister Deluxe 20 for $650, so I went that way instead, and am very happy.
Those tubemeisters are killer!!
I’m trying to decide between this, the V22 head, and the Dv mark micro 60 CMT (which is a hybrid with only one small tube). Can’t decide… why do you say the v22 is better than this one?
If they'd just made it as a one channel 50w amp, volume bass treble mid.. Hi lo imput.
Is it just me or does James consistently get on Paul’s nerves?
Well, he is a drummer.
It's too close aesthetically to the Vox Night Train and sounds like it as well
Cant beleive they suggest a katana omg
I have lots of high quality gear .. Sounds like it was going thru celestion. ... Fatal . the speaker matched up correctly makes a difference to any amp. Some of my rigs are 5k plus. But i just bought one after trying a more expensive valve head i stumbled on this . i dont beleive the critique. But each person has their own opinion .. After all i wouldnt wear your underpants
I got one of these in a gear trade and thought there must be something wrong with it. The clean channel does sound good but doesn't have near the volume as the gain channel that sounds like a buzzsaw, and even my 12 watt Princeton Reverb is a good bit louder than it. The transformers are quite big and I wonder why these amps are so underpowered? Surely it's cathode bias but still my 5e3 is louder? I wonder if the chassis and transformers are worth a rewire ... ? Thanks for the confirmation video!
Personally I'd spend just a bit more and get the Marshall Origin 20 head.
💯 💯 origin is superb. Plexi fun for days
The 50 head is only £369 from Thomann
@@tarkett8529 50 Origin isn’t even needed to be honest - it’s so loud. 20watt will cope with most applications and give you nice power tube breakup earlier.
Interesting that the guys didn’t mention the Marshall DSL 20 HR which they have reviewed before and is also very cheap.
@@judgeshred66 personally I prefer the clean headroom, the 20 breaks up too quickly for me which is why I use the 50
@@tarkett8529 fair enough mate. Bet it sounds big
Jet city jca50 thought that amp was really good for the price paid
I just bought this amp (bedroom player) and LOVED the cleans with my strat, but I noticed the lead channel was absolute crap and after watching your video this made me realize I wasnt alone. What OD or distortion pedal were you using? I thought it sounded awesome with that!
I crank the clean channel on max with a strat and just use clean boost or whatever OD I feel to use,sounds neat,recorded with it
A great service to consumers. Nice job, guys.
Cheers Kenneth, I really don’t like doing doing bad reviews but at least we found a good point of the amp.
It's a tired old chestnut that you only get what you pay for ..
the amplifier is excellent, the guitar sound is rubbish, the amplifier is good for its versatility, it has a wide gain range for every taste, and not like the goon Vox for example - here you have a separate amplifier for hell knows how much money with the most mean gain, if you don’t like it, buy a little more from as more advanced and we have ten modifications with other options……..
Your speakers are too hot. Needs 2 10s or 4 8s
Cool video and playing
T is for toaster??? that's what it looks like
Guys, I am surprised. I have 2 Bugera Amps 1990 the v22, neither sound as bad as this one! !
Hi Shep, I’m sure the others are great. It’s not all of the Bugera amps just this one.
I think the Infinium V 55 combo sounds better than that head. I bet it weighs a crap load though but that wouldn't have bothered me 20 years ago. These days I'm leaning towards buying a tone master but I love tubes.
Well, damn...it certainly looks the part.
It looks cool......😐
Mr. Pink shirt seems to be a chronic complainer. The fact that he does not understand the "Tone" cut indicates he's ignorant and also clearly his hearing acumen is very questionable.
Does anyone believe that real musicians have such snarky attitudes toward guitar gear? These guy's here just get off on being people who make fun of things they don't know how to use properly.
All this maybe true and yet the Amp is still a pile of crap.
@@TheStudioRats except that it isnt. Plenty of folks with tried and true gear, you would approve of, appreciate them greatly. Even compared to other stuff of merit.
Find the class A/AB switch on the 3rd one you try.
And solve your grounding issues.
Typically pretentious snobby British guy it seems
I agree
BOSS Katana is shite, fact.