The Malbone Street Wreck | Tales From the Subway

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @apexhunter935
    @apexhunter935 Год назад +52

    Also the malbone st reck is the reason why wooden subway cars are no longer allowed to operate underground, so if you've ever been on a heritage trip along on the old brt/bmt gate cars and wondered why you never see them in the underground portions of the subway, now you know.

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +1

      Only underground when going to CI yard for maintanence.

    • @pbatommy
      @pbatommy Год назад +3

      Wooden cars were banned from the subway in 1915, due to them being a fire hazard.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      @@pbatommy And a splintering/shrapnel hazard as well.

  • @_selvarajg_
    @_selvarajg_ Год назад +23

    Really hard to think about this, the way you described it just made me think, what the MTA was, and what it is today, and the future

    • @stevenroshni1228
      @stevenroshni1228 Год назад +2

      MTA didn't exist yet

    • @_selvarajg_
      @_selvarajg_ Год назад +1

      @@stevenroshni1228 I’m talking about their past company names, that’s what I mean about the “MTA was”

    • @oscarprendergast7295
      @oscarprendergast7295 Год назад +1

      It was NOT MTA it was a private company at that time - it was taken over years later by the city board of transportation

    • @oscarprendergast7295
      @oscarprendergast7295 Год назад

      The mta wouldn’t be included with past company names as its a government agency

    • @oscarprendergast7295
      @oscarprendergast7295 Год назад

      @@_selvarajg_it wouldn’t be included with past company names as mta was not a company it was an govt agency

  • @stevenroshni1228
    @stevenroshni1228 Год назад +27

    History swept under the rug, renaming the street and giving the operator a new name (which I don't place blame on).

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +7

      I think Luciano changed his name himself due to the anti-Italian bias at that time.

  • @floydmayo790
    @floydmayo790 Год назад +10

    How about the story about the collision on the Roosevelt Avenue IND that occured in May of 1970? I understand one of the trains involved was the R 40 's. The one's with the sloping ends, but they might have been modified by '70.

    • @floydmayo790
      @floydmayo790 Год назад +2

      @@johnv339 Wow! I saw the picture of the the R40 car and I'm quite familiar with the R16's. Rode one myself when I was a kid. Thanks for the picture!

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +1

      @@floydmayo790 My pleasure; the second link is photo of right side. Notice how windows on doors are symmetrical with rest of windows pre-overhaul. They looked so much better back then. I also very much disliked elimination of back-lit advertisement racks--they lost much of their 1960's appearance post-overhaul.

  • @NtGoat_AKA_Goatie
    @NtGoat_AKA_Goatie Год назад +25

    Can’t even begin to imagine how traumatize those people were during the occurrence of the crash in question

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      For a reasonable account, please read "Under the Sidewalks of New York" by Brian J. Cudahay.

  • @TaleTeller9581
    @TaleTeller9581 Год назад +4

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!!!

  • @QQWERTY7050
    @QQWERTY7050 Год назад +11

    QQWERTY Railfan, Never heard of him.
    But from what I've seen, I would definitely subscribe to him

    • @JalilPrime
      @JalilPrime Год назад +1

      Checked out ur vid on conquesting pretty good

    • @QQWERTY7050
      @QQWERTY7050 Год назад +1

      Thanks

  • @geardo3635
    @geardo3635 Год назад +2

    There still is a very short Malbone Street about 4 blocks away just above Empire Blvd where it meets New York Avenue.

  • @pbatommy
    @pbatommy Год назад +30

    This wreck was discussed in gruseome details when I was in school car to become a train operator.

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +9

      Yikes 😬

    • @brianaaaaaa
      @brianaaaaaa Год назад +3

      wow! they tell wreck stories like this in school car all the time?

    • @pbatommy
      @pbatommy Год назад +4

      @@brianaaaaaa I can only speak about what went on in my particular class, though some of my trainees told me it was brought up in their class as well.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@pbatommyBtw, CONGRATULATIONS on becoming a NYC subway train operator (motorman)!! That was one of many MTA jobs I hoped to perform as a youngster, before my "mother" decided to move us kids to LA....

  • @Timothy5298
    @Timothy5298 Год назад +3

    hi mystictransit--love your videos and your content, as a fellow nyc native and transit enthusiast, i thoroughly enjoyed watching this one. you should cover the 9th avenue derailment next for this series.

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +2

      I’ll definitely consider it!

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      The 9th avenue El; wasn't the dreadful accident there the city's very first "9-11" event?!

  • @randomhuman-012
    @randomhuman-012 Год назад +3

    WAKE UP WAKE UP MYSTICTRANSIT UPLOADED

  • @romeojames89
    @romeojames89 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks a bunch keep it coming 👍🏿

  • @calvinkendrick851
    @calvinkendrick851 Год назад +8

    A lot of these train wrecks stories to me sound very ominous.
    I wonder what made that trial move from Brooklyn to Mineola. I know they are both part of the Eastern District Court system, but Is that where Luciano lived or something?
    Interesting fact that he became a house builder in Queens Village.

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +1

      Luciano resided in Brooklyn, and it was thought he would get a trial that was more unbiased if it were to be relocated to another county. He resided at, or approximately 7 Street in Redhook ? "Uptown-Downtown" has an essay about it, but locating a copy would be next to impossible--it's a collector's item. "The Malbone Street Wreck" published by Fordham University Press should be easier to obtain, at reasonable cost.

    • @stevenroshni1228
      @stevenroshni1228 Год назад

      Trials can be moved if the defense convinces that there isn't a locally available jury free of bias. Because this story was big news people already had an opinion before seeing the evidence closely

    • @robertnussberger6449
      @robertnussberger6449 Год назад

      It might have to do with the fact that the state of NY was taking over the subway system

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 Год назад

      Government did not take over till about 1953, the State even later.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@johnv339How about Brian J. Cudhay's version of the event in his landmark book: "Under the Sidewalks of New York"?!

  • @Trxustze
    @Trxustze Год назад +1

    3:37 K your friend is actually smart for that lowkey

  • @JalilPrime
    @JalilPrime Год назад +6

    I like these Vids covering Train wrecks, could you cover some of the LIRR and MetroNorth train wrecks

    • @calvinkendrick851
      @calvinkendrick851 Год назад +1

      This kind of reminded me about that train derailment on the metro north at Spuyten Duyvil a few years back I believe for the reason of a train going too fast

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +5

      @Geek City I may consider doing some videos on the LIRR/MNR wrecks in the NY area.

  • @patrickfraleyjr2819
    @patrickfraleyjr2819 Год назад +11

    R.I.P to the victims who had passed due to the incident.

  • @michaelmorales1475
    @michaelmorales1475 Год назад

    Glad that this Series is back. What a Wild Accident.

  • @transitcaptain
    @transitcaptain Год назад +4

    How could the short train length handle 600 people? Seems excessive

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +2

      Evening rush hour--you'd be surprised.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад +1

      Have you often wondered how a ten-car train of R-10s can move over 2000 passengers?!

  • @WebSoak
    @WebSoak Год назад +1

    The operator has cameraman plot armor and thus never dies

  • @landocalrisian2014
    @landocalrisian2014 Год назад +1

    Really informative!!

  • @black_bandit1084
    @black_bandit1084 Год назад +2

    I've been waiting forever for another installment in this series lol

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +3

      Yeah, I noticed I hadn't put out a Tales from the Subway video in a while so I was like "why not?"

  • @jordimendoza9930
    @jordimendoza9930 Год назад +2

    I am still waiting for the 2020 Peeled R46!

    • @QQWERTY7050
      @QQWERTY7050 Год назад

      I'll say around like 2 years. We still need a little bit more info

  • @oscarprendergast7295
    @oscarprendergast7295 Год назад

    I had van Cleef and Tirado as motor instructors- they never mentioned these things but I had read about it as a child- it was a patrolman who remembered getting knocked down in street level next to the collision form the tremendous impact that responded by running into the tunnel which was glowing from the power and broken third rail - yes they never shut the power off and many were electrocuted on the road bed as they emerged from the wreck holding hands trying to help each other - the patrolman saw this as he tried to initiate a rescue- there were still gouges in the concrete walls years afterwards - not sure about now but there were

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      Actually, BRT substation operators thought union saboteurs were up to sup'm, and cut the power back on, not knowing the severity of the carnage until several minutes later.

  • @alexharris2495
    @alexharris2495 Год назад +2

    Was this the accident that caused the city to reduce the speed of trains?

    • @jeremiahtaylor1817
      @jeremiahtaylor1817 Год назад +1

      The Williamsburg Bridge one I believe

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +4

      Nope. There were a handful of accidents in the 1970/80s which prompted the introduction of timer signals in the system, but the speeds were only really reduced after the Williamsburg Bridge collision.

    • @alexharris2495
      @alexharris2495 Год назад

      @@MysticTransit wasn't there one in the 1920s with a irt low V? I think that's the one

  • @dallasspotting
    @dallasspotting Год назад

    The A/B Standard cars were the exact response to this incident. The BU Gate cars are some cool stuff, but if you're a bad operator, it can really go WRONG based on this incident.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      The A/B Standards existed at the time of the wreck; they were too heavy for the Brooklyn Bridge.

  • @Sean8888TTP
    @Sean8888TTP Год назад +1

    When are we getting March transit news

  • @EpicThe112
    @EpicThe112 Год назад

    I wonder if the Wreck will still be serious had the BRT Brooklyn rapid transit got the Composites from the IRT. Remember Brooklyn Rapid Transit elevated gate cars can run on IRT tracks like the West Side Line 207th-242nd St White Plains Road Jackson Ave to Eastchester Dyre Avenue & Wakefield 241st Street. What's a Brooklyn Rapid Transit Corporation could have done to prevent this in the first place was actually ordering bakerloo line trains modified for BRT use

    • @michaelgreene4748
      @michaelgreene4748 Год назад +2

      Not a chance. First, the IRT would reuse the Composites as express trains on the 2nd, 3rd, and 9th Avenue el lines. They were modified, with lighter, mono-motor trucks, and their electrical control equipment was changed out for newer, lighter control and braking equipment. Even with that, those cars could only carry passengers on the express tracks, or extensions built from the1890s onwards. Even if some Composites had been picked up, they could have only operated on newer sections of elevated line. The inner end of the Fulton El, where Brighton trains ran until a subway connection opened at Prospect Park, was NOT a section rebuilt for heavier trains. In fact, the tunnel where the wreck occurred was opened as part of the connection project just a few weeks before the wreck.

  • @BMTEnjoyer160
    @BMTEnjoyer160 Год назад +8

    Rip the victims

  • @StarlyrraRailfanning
    @StarlyrraRailfanning Год назад +1

    Hey @MysticTransit what are your thoughts on my proposal of a new Queens (S)huttle that connects the Flushing - Main St Station on the (7) to Jamaica Center - Parsons/Archer on the (E)(J)(Z) Trains? I haven’t thought out the stations yet however I imagine this (S)huttle to run under Main St, then Kissena Blvd, then under Parsons Blvd. The reason I would like to see this proposal considered is because of how crowded many of the busses that connect Flushing - Main St & Jamaica Center - Parsons/Archer, like the Q17, Q20A, Q20B, Q44 SBS, & other busses get. Possibly this (S)huttle can even eventually be merged into another new subway line or something but I think this is a good start. Let me know what your thoughts are on that proposal. ;)

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +3

      I’m not a fan of the proposal. I don’t think that corridor has high enough ridership to warrant a subway line (even a shuttle). It is a good corridor for light rail though.

    • @StarlyrraRailfanning
      @StarlyrraRailfanning Год назад +1

      @@MysticTransit I understand. Light rail can go a long way in NYC especially in Queens which is why I’m excited about the IBX.

    • @karatekidfahim3
      @karatekidfahim3 Год назад +1

      @@StarlyrraRailfanning has there been any progress on construction of the IBX?

    • @StarlyrraRailfanning
      @StarlyrraRailfanning Год назад +1

      ⁠@@karatekidfahim3 I don’t think so. They have revealed the stations tho……

    • @karatekidfahim3
      @karatekidfahim3 Год назад +1

      @@StarlyrraRailfanning ahh ok, its been 7 months tho, hope they add the stations if the TA have the budget

  • @mattmaz7209
    @mattmaz7209 Год назад

    Can you make a video explaining why the N line has r46,r68?

  • @brandonharris7516
    @brandonharris7516 Год назад +1

    Whoa

  • @amazing50000
    @amazing50000 Год назад +3

    Wow. That operator who cause the Malbone Street wreck was still alive when I was growing up in the late 1970s & early 1980's. (Yes, I am telling my age)

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +1

      The term was motorman.

  • @Vyxqb
    @Vyxqb Год назад

    105 years ago on this day 😢

  • @CallmeMrKelly
    @CallmeMrKelly Год назад +3

    The borough president Eric Adams listed on the plaque is a former NYPD Captain and is now Mayor of NYC.

  • @EastCoastTransit
    @EastCoastTransit Год назад

    This really shows how our standards have improved since the early 20th century

  • @gdoll835
    @gdoll835 Год назад

    🙏🕊️

  • @TheSuperiorLite
    @TheSuperiorLite Год назад +2

    I am here when this vid had 69 likes

  • @Kiwamare
    @Kiwamare Год назад +1

    Autistic people when the new documentary on a traincrash that killed 2929840913 people:😈😈😈😈

  • @Laura-l1m9c
    @Laura-l1m9c Год назад

    You cant afford to have a strike , Jesus ,

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      Last time I checked, Jesus NEVER went on strike!!

  • @RedArrow73
    @RedArrow73 Месяц назад

    I thought Anticlimbers were a safety device whose use arose from this tragedy.

  • @oscarprendergast7295
    @oscarprendergast7295 Год назад +1

    Wow look at the stations now- ghetto central- THATS a shame for the riders there- business as usual in the B division - the A is hardly better

  • @brandonharris7516
    @brandonharris7516 Год назад +1

    That sounds awful

  • @langleywallingford260
    @langleywallingford260 3 месяца назад

    Inaccessible, not unaccessible...

  • @johnv339
    @johnv339 Год назад +1

    "Train operator" is historically incorrect, they were called motormen.

    • @MysticTransit
      @MysticTransit  Год назад +5

      Yes, they were called motormen, however, to avoid confusion with some of the younger generations who watch my videos, I referred to the motormen as "Train Operators".

    • @johnv339
      @johnv339 Год назад +1

      @@MysticTransit I should've taken that into account.

    • @CraigFThompson
      @CraigFThompson 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@johnv339There couldn't be "motorwomen" back then, I suppose....