This $2700 Ebike Is Genius - Ride1Up Prodigy V2 Review
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Ride1Up Prodigy V2 sports a continuous variable transmission gearbox built into the rear rub which receives it's power from a German engineered Brose Sprinter TF mid-drive motor, delivered courtesy of a smooth, silent, and low maintenance Gates Belt. The ride is buttery smooth, as it should be considering its $2700 price tag - but are the benefits of the CVT worth the trade off of a lower power transfer efficiency?
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Worth it I think. Much less maintenance and lasts longer.
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Interesting. I always see just numbers for motor watts and torque.
How is power transfer efficiency calculated and how could.that relate to determining an bike's ability to climb a steep hill better or worse than another.
J am looking at 2 pretty different ebikes. One has a 500W hub motor,(and 8 gears), and spec's say 60nm torque. The other is this bike w the Brose mod moter and CVT at 250 Watts, a much smaller watt motor, but spec's at a much higher 90 NM torque. So that confuses me enough right there. But how does that translate into which one gets up a hill easier and faster assuming all else is the same,(weight, cadence)?
...the other bike is the Aventon Level2
@@NBSTL68 The one with higher torque will climb the hill better, the one with higher power MIGHT have a chance of climbing a smaller hill at a higher speed but not super well
Enviolo also has an electronic interface which has a trigger shifter style and when you come to a stop it automatically drops you transmision into a lower gear; Automatic transmission for e-bikes.
It's about time we had automatic cvts for ebikes, the tech is 20 years old by now.
Back in 1963 (60 plus years ago) I had a Gazelle 3 speed standard racer with an internal rear hub gear box (it slipped once in awhile which was kind of rough on the privates). I loved that bike . I now have a Ride1up 700rx which I like but for the tires(2.4 inches). Thinking of sizing down to a 1.74" tire but really like the fact this bike has 1.54 inch tires... along with everything else
It's a good looking bike, has a lot of tech, looks well built. If I was a younger man I would like to have one in my arsenal. I unfortunately came in to this game to late, I would need a throttle to help me out. I've looked at a lot of e-bikes now and thanks to your channel I've been able to see them in action. The mid hub motor with belt drive bikes are the ones that interest me the most, but I haven't seen one with a throttle. Perhaps there is one, I just haven't seen one yet. Thanks for the reviews, take care.
Look at the Evelo Atlas
@@otakumons Very interesting looks like a good bike, I will add it to my list to take closer look at.
@@probablycausei wonder what kind of range a 149 lb guy get on a bike built for big guys, seems like a good one to looks for, I'm pretty concerned about range, just wish I had the going for like a folder, a moped style from fucare, and a Velotric summit 1, the look of that thing is pretty nice, at first i wanted the t1ST but I think ide prefer better range. Nice how that Gemini x has 2 batteries
I know you said the shifter seemed cheaply made but Enviolo products are very well made. The quality parts on this bike make the bike actually very low priced because the same specs this bike has are also found on trek, specialized, scott, Riese and Muller who all price their bikes at 3000 to 7000. So actually this bike is a steal. The Brose mid drive is a very well made German product and pairs perfectly with the Enviolo internal gearing. Also this motor relies purely on pedal pressure so there is no run off which means there is no need for the brake motor cut off. This bike is perfect for people who want to ride a bike and have that traditional pedaling feel.
Very good review of a nice looking bike 👍🏻
The enviolo hub actually doesn't have gears inside btw, it uses spheres instead of gears.
I was SHOCKED. The height was super wimpy. You have long legs but the knee bend at full extension was huge. You did FINALLY mention it so that was decent of you. I have short legs so it might work for me on a real bike ride.
Since this bike only comes in one frame size, how much did it bother you (a taller person) to ride? Did you feel to cramped with the shorter reach geometry?
This might be my next year’s E bike I really want to try the ones without the metal chain
Crazy how the mid drives with 250 watt 90 nm torque can keep up with hub drives at 500-750 watt with 65-90 nm torque.
"Now's a good time to try the brakes - see if they work!" lol
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Sweet bike. I like the mtb frame style. The bottom tube battery is sleeker than other bikes out there. But I would get the bike chain version tho.
Hee Matt I really love your video, would be nice if you showed us different routes and places in LA. Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
I have watched 3-4 reviews on this bike. They all talked about the "hill" icon on the shifter. I was trying to understand what they meant. But not one reviewer showed it. I would think that should be a given for the unique design. No one ever tells us about polarized glasses either. So frequent watcher, first time sub
When you twist the throttle the icon changes from flat road to and uphill icon depending if you selected high or lower gears. Then the automatic transmission auto adjust the tension you feel on the pedals (infinite gears) based on the speed your going.
dude what do you do with all those bikes you review? do you send them back or sell them?
This bike is smooth as oil and looks really nice. A cyclists bike. Thanks again!
I liked this video this was different from what you been doing lately a 36v mid drive I liked this one. Nice to see you peddle🤣 thought you were getting lazy on us lmao na but I ended up getting a moped style ebike cause this channel
0:09 damn that ride is cool, also the bike is nice
The Aventon Ramblas is at this price point; curious why would someone buy this bike over the Ramblas?
Pease try to review a Cyrusher Ranger 2.0 . It would be nice to see the New modifications in action on the 20% grade & California incline ...😊
Really enjoy your videos, I suggest weighing bikes and reporting that
Finally proper euro style e-bike without that silly ultra wide tyres and hub motors.
But without the sky high euro style pricing lol.
Lots of good hub motor bikes around.
Nobody in America wants a weak sissy euro style bike though.
This gear box, what type of maintenance does it require? I imagine that it needs some type of lubrication periodically. Thank you!
once per year you drain out the oil and then refill it
Ride1up made people who bought their 700 series bikes have to assemble the front fork and headstock when they received their shipment. It was the most major PIA in the world, because they would never even ship the right parts for the fork and included absolutely ZERO instructions for how to do it. Glad to see they came to their senses and at least are doing that part properly. The 700 series also came with weak-torque motor and it looks like the Brose motor is still struggling a bit here on hills. The packaging material on their 700 series was hot garbage and sadly, it looks like they haven't taken any extra steps to solve that problem (more cardboard is NOT the answer - foam is). The biggest problem with Ride1up bikes is that it appears absolutely NO ONE in China can properly tension their spokes, so you get wheels that make popping sounds from the minute you get on one. I HOPE they have fixed that problem on this newer bike.
I had to tighten many spokes, but still get the popping sound when taking off about 15% of the time. Range is still good after 3+years of light to moderate use and looking to upgrade now that the cadence sensor on my 700 is cutting in and out.
No mention of real-world range, micro-headlight😁
Makes zero difference to me. I think its already kinda dangerous riding by cars in daylight. No chance I'm ever doing that at night.
Nicely-equipped bike, especially for its price compared to similar e-bikes, and I’m glad to see Ride1Up now ships it with the fork installed, which was the most difficult step when I assembled the LMT’d I bought from them in late 2020. At the time, their assembly instructions didn’t show this step in detail, which would have been handy as the components were slipped on the fork in the wrong order and orientation on mine.
I am torn between this model (which would likely replace my LMT’d) and the Wired Freedom. Quite different bikes with different missions. I enjoy the control a torque sensor provides, but the higher unrestricted top speed of the Wired bikes is useful for keeping pace with motorized traffic when I have to ride in it to get between sections of protected paths.
Your awesome dude I really enjoy your thorough reviews 👍
In Europe this bike will drive 16 mph but in Europe this will be accepted as an non motorized bicycle. So even children can drive this legally.
These bikes are very, very common here. Many people use bikes like this for commuting up to 15 km per way and for tours. I also own a bike like this. I got about 60-70 miles of range.
I have a long steep hill and considering mid drive but I'd be doing this hill after the workout. How much effort does it take to go up your steep hill?
Doesn't seem like you had a whole lot of fun on this one. It seems like you had a better time on that Async H7 (mid drive).
async was more powerful
Nice review Matt 😎🤙!!
Will you be getting the 2024 freedom
Did you review the Priority Current?
Namaste bro, your moving up the value stack! Been a pleasure to track your growth. :)
It would be great to see you testing the more expensive & specified ebikes. They matter (perhaps more?) as much as cheap 'entry' mods. The mid-drive setup is popular in european ebike scene, and has been out in higher spec bikes for awhile. The enviolo hub with a Bosch motor for example, is popular by Riese & Muller. They start at $4k USD & up.
At the higher speeds 'phantom peddling' can be a problem. Glad you didnt see that.
Really interested in your review of the new 2024 Wired Freedom.
I would like to see a comparison between a rear hub and mid drive throttle only at 20 mph .. Both batteries the same and motors nominal 750 watt.. See which bike goes farthest.
All it needs now is a dropper post and a somewhat larger battery capacity.
Wy would you want a dropper post on a paved street cruiser? Makes no sense, those are only any good for hardcore mountain biking.
@@srobeck77 1. There is no reason that you couldn’t take this down some trails, especially with a better front fork and tires. Besides, I like a dropper post on every bike I ride. If you don’t want a dropper post, then go ride without one!
Looks like a great bike. Too bad it's too small for the 6'-plus.
I am almost waitng for these guys to make a cargo bike vsrsion of this...
But in the mean time, gonna get some thing used...
bro for 3000 you could get a talaria which goes like 50mph bigger battery n way more fun
Bro, so just buy a motorcycle. This one is for people who want a bicycle.
We are the same height , what is your favorite ebike in a class 3 ebike ?????
I agree that the Wired Freedom is my favorite E-Bike.
Whenever Pinion makes its all in one geared mid-drive motor available to us common folks, you are in for a real treat @TailhappyTV . It does everything in the enviolo cvt does but better IMO.
The Prodigy V2 comes in two versions, one w this Enviolo IGH and the other the traditional chain and cassette. I wonder which one would be better for steep hill climbing.
Probably the chain and cassette version. The biggest problem with the Enviolo IGH compared to higher end models like a Rohloff is that the lowest gear is not very low at all, something like 28 gear inches. That would require the motor to kick in a lot of help on a steep hill.
@@thevagabondonwheels4918 Yes I test rode a gazelle C380+ with Enviolo and T10+ w chain derailiure cassette since I posted this question. The Enviolo had a terrible feel and felt like something was resisting my pedal effort. It also was much more effort on a steep hill. So hard pass a for me. From what I have learned is I need bike w gear setup that has a smaller chainring then the biggest chainring on the rear cassette. I am probably over simplifying it and there is probably more to it then I know!
@@sfomann I would take a serious look at Canyon's new e-trekking bike. Bosch CX motor, 11-speed Deore with a low gear of about 20 gear inches, similar design to the 1RideUp Prodigy v2 otherwise, all for under $3K.
@@thevagabondonwheels4918 Thanks for your response. Will check it out
I don't know but I would try the enviolo first. Being able to change gears under load is nice.
The automatic shifting version of that IGH allows you to set it to keep you right where you want in cadence and power - if it works as I've seen demonstrated it's almost a "set it and forget it" type feature.
Nice hat. I wear em.
Should match a $360 Ancheer.
Were you provided this bike by Ride1Up?
???
OK, I want one!!!
it's the Brose Wave Motor. I'd consider this if it had a throttle. I'm not riding in Europe or national parks.
That ratchet for the internal gears is super loud and annoying. I would never ride a bike with that loud of freewheel spin noise. Takes the joy out of the silence of riding an e bike.
2700$ is what 2 weeks expenses where you live
Needs a better higher volt battery
Middrives do not need thousands of watts
@@ataksnajpera subscription to chain of the month though will help :D
It uses a Gates carbon belt, which can handle the 90Nm this motor puts out.
Other review channels have proven this setup can yield 90mi of range on a single charge when ridden at around 14-16mph on mostly flat terrain, well beyond what most people will do and well beyond the 30-50mi that Ride1Up claims. Ridden hard over the same path was still over the 30mi estimate.
Very nice bike
You always say the motor is giving you 120W etc. But no, thats what you give into the system. You have to switch into the advanced mode, where the bike shows you our amount of power and the power output of the motor. The max of the motor is 520W. The range of the Enviolo is a bit limited. This motor combined with a 12 speed 10-52 cassette and this thing climbs the steepest mountains. I have this motor on an MTB and it is nuts how good this thing climbs. The only thing that isn't that great is the power consumption. Compared to Bosch, you feel that it is more thirsty.
For what it is and all the nice components, the Prodigy is really cheap. I think that a lot people in the US will not understand the pricing. You can see it on your channel. Most of the bikes have big batteries and at least 750W or higher motor with up to 50mph, but all the components are from super low quality. And there is another point, the brakes. All these fatbikes come with 2 piston brakes, what is way underpowered for such a heavy weight. These 4 piston brakes should be standard on heavy bikes. You really feel the difference and they don't head up that fast, as normal 2 piston brakes. I think that most US costumers would prefer something a bit more powerful, as this motor is made for 18mph regulations and I think that Ride1Up would have gone with something like the 120 or 160Nm Bafang mortors, but the Enviolo can't handle more than 90Nm.
The Eviolo goes 25mph and the Prodigy 1up goes 28mph. Extremely uncommon to see a 50mph ebike, 1 maybe 2 brands and I feel like they should be illegal on streets to drive that fast on an ebilke. So that's a total non-sense hot take.
is it possible to review the
tomofree x yygbr100 ebike?
coming very soon
@@TailHappyTV thinking about buying it but theres no better review than yours
Add a thumb throttle, brake light, turn signals and I’m in! Is there such an animal? Hard to find a belt drive with throttle and suspension.
I can't be the only one seeing that white dot..
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If you could add a throttle. and I know the belt is a bonus but if you put a chain setup on it instead and a few gears ranges on top of the cvt imagine the torque you could get! Mid motors taking advantage of the gearing is awesome compared to a hub. Thats why they can get away with 36v I would assume. Very cool hub! Even if you put that in a normal bike. Maybe they do IDK but very cool!
Throttle not good for the motor
@@srobeck77 Well so is electricity really.
@@rabbithomesteading3797 even worse is dumb people trying to act smart. Those r those worse types of fools and generally get labeled as the Village Idiot.
@@rabbithomesteading3797 who told you this non-sense? Next youll be telling me gas is bad for my car or my cell phone battery is bad for my phone.
so sad only one size
Cool❤😮😅😮
Any company that either hides, or has no low reviews, I do not TRUST.
Whats this odd conspiracy you came up with? Plenty of youtube reviews out there and also those are well established brands of components. Really the only thing ebikes come up with themselves is the frame design.
This bike has it all, except the battery is small. They could have offered a more expensive version with a bigger battery, or an option to add on a second battery. But the truth is that the the overwhelming majority of people are not going ride far or fast enough to drain that battery the comes with the bike. Ride1Up made an ebike with all the specifications and technology at a very affordable price.
Can I have the hat?
Hard-Pass, 36v, less efficient drive too. CVTs on bike and cars, both bad.🤣
I have one. Range is terrible. Never ride it anymore. Don’t waste your money and time on it
Do you drive it fast? How many miles u getting?
@@superstringsbro sounds like a troll. A 500w on a hub motor can do 60 km at 25kph. I feel that this bike can easily do double since mid drives are more efficient
@@Tom-ol5zz thanks. Yea I’ve seen nothing but good reviews on it
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can i get the hat
How disappointing. Finally, they make an efficient bike that can give 150 miles range with a normal size e-bike battery, but instead puts in a dinky little capacity battery and turned this potentially awesome e-bike into another lame e-bike without the range. Unbelievable. BTW, is the rear rack strong because it seems to be missing the upper pieces connecting the rack to the seat stays or seat tube?
I agree and the cost and weight wouldn't be that much more. 100 mile range should be a goal
Microscopic display, off to side, another pass.
777 yeah
If Ride1Up gave you this bike for free to review, this should be disclosed to your viewers.
@@srobeck77 Not assuming anything. It is considered a deceptive marketing practice by the Federal Trade Commission for influencers to review a product provided for free by the manufacturer and not disclose this fact to viewers. www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/disclosures-101-social-media-influencers
If you're that skeptical, he could just lie anyways and there's no way to verify it. So pointless question
I want one in a class 3
This is a class 3, sucka
It is a class 3. A class 3 doesnt have a throttle and gives power up to 28 mph
@@Tom-ol5zz my class 3 Aventon Pace 500 has a throttle
@srobeck77 then legaly speaking, its not a legal class 3 if you read the law. Im not saying its not stupid, but its technically not a class 3
More police departments adopting high power 50 MPH electric bicycles for cops, whole triangle is filled with juice and a big-a** controller!
Seriously bad idea for a bike to go that fast. I guess people need to learn obvious bad ideas the hard way (multiple deaths) for it to sink in.
It looks to small for you😂😂😂😂
For all native English speakers, there is no silent e in German. Therefore it's Porsche not Porsch & Brose not Bros.
Stimmt! POR-sheh und BRO-zeh.
Ya 1st strike no throttle, the second strike is 36v battery, and 3rd strike price. You can get an Aventon Aventure 2 that destroys this bike.
Aventon Aventure 2 doesnt have a belt drive or Enviolo CVT. You really werent paying attention here.
First
20 degree incline. Not 20 percent incline.
20% grade, not 20 degree
wow very nice E Bike!!! ah you better wear that hat when its cold and snowing or im gonna tell your mom and yr girlfriend and they will fix your red wagon for yas.... peaceout
German: "BROH-zeh". Meine Güte, vielleicht sollte ich dieses Rad kaufen, statt des 700 Series! Slow down around pedestrians, sonny boy! Nahhhh....I think I'll get the 700 S! Viel zu viel Handgelenkaktion nötig bei dem V2!
This is english so its Bros. Like Mario Bros
No throttle- no buy. Bafang mid drives can accept a throttle and have a torque sensor peddling. Pass on this.
A chinese brand, Bafang motor with a throttle, which burns up the motor even faster. Sounds like a horrible combo that was made in hell
Hmmm…..nope
My guy - this review was a bit hard to follow lol. You would be trying to explain something and then start spazzing out by cranking the gearing back and forth rapidly and cutting your sentences off short and never finishing a thought lol
😆 my bad dude