@folfielukather8083 yeah, i figure the MAC is the only viable weapon here. MG turrets probably won't do much. I guess missile weapons might be O.K. the Armor is top notch though.
@EckhartsLadder ik these vids aren't always the most popular compared to a few yrs back, but respect for still dropping one would be cool to see more even if its sporadic
The verses videos are back? LESS GOOOO!!! At the end you said to give you suggestions, I would like to see the Tie Avenger go against a Mandalorian Fang Fighter or Eta 2 Interceptor. Those are my favorite fighters
@@marcelxd1633 If we're comparing "real-world" ship types, Dreadnought isn't a thing. They were just large Battleships, and in fact "Dreadnoughts" eventually just became called "Battleships". The Iowa-class Battleship would've been a "Dreadnought" by that naming. In reality, Star Destroyers don't fit any modern ship type. With the exception of the Tector-class, all the Star Destroyers (in Canon anyway) operate more as Mobile Forward Operating Bases with Battleship armament, an Air Wing of some kind, and deployable ground forces. Some specialize more than others, but they all (including the Executor and Mega classes) include those 3 features. That said, "Star Destroyer" is more like a KDY product line than a specific ship type. Even then ship types are not as universal or size-based as we'd like them to be. Countries in the "real-world" have "Frigates" while others call the same kinds of ships "Destroyers" and others ever refer to the same ships as "Cruisers". Heck, I just finished watching a video comparing the World's Submarines and even there, in the same nation, you can have Submarines performing the same or similar roles that are drastically different in size. Size was never meant to be a determination of ship type. Rather Ship-role determines type. In the case of Star Destroyers, they are Mobile bases with massive weapons platforms.
The outcome of this video was not surprising lmao. I do wish we had more slugging matches between big-gun battleships in the movies, the sequel trilogy missed out on the chance to have more Star Defenders and Resurgents beating the shit out of each other instead of just plucky not-Rebels buzzing around with starfighters.
Dark Empire will win due to having better fleet and better super weapons like galaxy gun . Plus the Dark Empire has Super Star Destroyers and World Devastators, spacecrafts far superior to that oversized Mega Star Destroyer and Dreadnought the First Order has. Its also run by more competent individuals, Palpatine and Luke Skywalker. Kylo did not defeat Luke Skywalker canon Legends
@@gianghoang4831 I do disagree about Palpatine being competent. He encouraged a lot of infighting between Imperials, and he lost tons of useful warships, especially the super star destroyers. However, compared to Hux and Snoke - definitely a much more competent, effective, and charismatic leader.
@@baklapjr I think based on Mandalorian S3 and Ahsoka S1 that they are trying to retroactively make that the case. If i'm correct, I think any Star Wars stories that take place during or after the sequel trilogy will have the First order being a small but powerful splinter group of imperial warlords (specifically the group that followed the super dark path of the emperor). Though admittedly it will be hard to sell that stupid large fleet of death-star-destroyers, or the fact that the first order literally turned a small planet (Illum) into star killer base as a "just another warlord faction).
I feel like this fight would be ten minutes long, the first nine and a half minutes of which would be the crew of the Bellator trying to stop laughing long enough to hit the 'fire' button when confronted with a vessel that is by volume less than a tenth their size
I love Fractalsponge’s Bellator. I made one a sort of mini-boss in my fleet strategy story, where the good guys got to freak out big time at the thought of having to face her. I also sprung for a 3D printed model for use in the Armada miniatures game. She lovely
I feel like this goes to the interdictor despite the raw firepower per weapon. For a ship of its size the DCH has fairly light and sparse weaponry. We don't know about ion cannon numbers on the Interdictor Cruisers (if any), but they have a significant number of medium, dual turbo laser batteries. The number of turbo laser bolts firing in the scene that shows just Malak's Interdictor (Not any special variant) firing dozens in rapid succession down on Taris. I think that even if they're considered light turbo lasers by the Russan era, the fire rate on them would be more than enough to pickup the slack on a per shot basis. It was the battleship of Era, and Revan managed to pull off taking the majority if not all of the ones remaining in service at the end of the Mando wars.
So excited for the return of this series. It's why i subbed in the first place all those years ago. The research, the evaluation, the editing, these are the key elements of this series and they make it excellent
I the Resurgent’s case gets even worse when you consider star fighters. The seemingly minor technological difference between og era and sequel era isn’t enough to make up for the sheer numbers difference.
I just finished rewatching all the old starship versus episodes… I was so excited to see a new versus episode this morning. Thank you so much! I have always really enjoyed these!
Resurgent star destroyer is the perfect upgrade of the original star destroyer. Getting rid of the old weaknesses such as a lack of small ship defence and over exposed areas such as the bridge but retaining the raw power, capital ship Vs design retained from the original star destroyer design.
One of the very few things I liked about the sequel trilogy was the resurgent design. It really perfected the star destroyer and was a great example of evolution in ship design.
I’m hoping you can do a Killik Hive colony ship VS some other large ship. The Killiks are my favorite Bug Race from Star Wars. And have some of the coolest lore and galactic history.
I love all your content Eck, but the classic Starship versus series holds a special place in my heart from when I started watching in 2017. Much love ❤️
Another amazing video. Glad to see this come back. You know what would be nice to see. A VS video between an Imperial Star Destroyer and a Galra Battle ship from Voltron.
Am I the only one wondering why a Resurgent has over 1500 ion cannons, turbolasers and point defense cannons? I doubt the ship has enough power and space for it
I presume most of that count would be much smaller weapons intended for fighter and corvette defense and thus not as power-hungry, and a Resurgent is still a pretty big craft.
@@altf4tocringe105 When you compare it to other bigger ships it still has much more weapons That is has smaller weapons is a good explanation (some Websites say that it has much heavy weapons)
The millenium falcon can field two sets of quadlasers. These small things are, well, small. If you really wanted to, you could cover a WW2 battleship with a ludicrous number of Bofors or something if you wanted to for some reason (it would cause some concern against aircraft to say the least). The Belator appears to forgo large numbers of normal ship to ship weapons for basically using its sheer size and output to mount the WW2 equivalent of rapid fire Gustav rail cannons rather than focus on large spreads of smaller weapons. So basically, most of that 1500 number is probably smaller weapons like non-turbo lasers (i.e. the "point defense" stuff, which could very well include quad lasers similar to the falcon's). Those cannons on the belator are larger than some frigates, and could probably pretty handily take one out in a single shot. They are meant to take massive amounts of hurt and apply it liberally to other large capital ships, including star destroyer type vessels.
Omg thank you so so much, these are my two favorite ships in all Star Wars and it's almost my birthday. What a great early gift. May the force be with you
Glad to see a return of Versus Videos!!! Looking at the Halo Universe, what about a Halberd-Class destroyer versus a squadron of that up-armored Pelican that Chief flies in Halo 4
I think star fighters would matter in this battle because the FO’s TIE SF have concussion missiles, mag-pulse warheads, & other torpedoes, so depending on the point defense of the Bellator the FO star fighters could be a factor
i have always seen the imperial ISD as equal in strength(utility) to the lucrehulk, the way i saw it balanced was Aclamator=munificent, Victory I=Recusant, Venator=Providence, and Bellator=Subjugator dreadnaught. but for the lucrehulk the only counterpart that i could find was either the Secutor or the ISD, could you do a video discussing this?
Woah. Back to the basics. I missed this kinda spaceship powerscaling, glad you put another one out! As far as requests, I like the few pieces of Star Wars that are actually good; The Eewoks and Droids cartoons. Could you find an opponent for The Great Heep?
Another great video Eck, I love the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer I have a star wars role play and I even made my own class a bigger variant like how the Separatist Providence class had two sizes lol. The Resurgent-class always will win
I admit in a 1v1 I do Agree With Eckhart on this one but I also Agree that we need more infor for the Combined Fleet of the first order in General. As There has to be more then what we had been shown in the three bad movies.
I think the resurgent is cool looking but for what the First Order was, it seems like the opposite of what they should have. But I guess by the end of the sequel trilogy, after the Supremacy and the Xystons or whatever they were called, you don't question this particular flaw because there are more glaring ones.
The Resurgent is a weird one for having that open central deck on the prow where it is theoretically most vulnerable. I wonder if it serves any purpose.
Would be interesting to see a similarly thought out matchup between an Allegiance-class and a Resurgent, which might be a fairer match for the Resurgent
@EckhartsLadder Here's a funny mashup: Ugly starfighter against each other to find the better! Clawcraft and other too well redesign are prohibed. Please continue your wonderful work : it's so good to hear a fellow Canadian Star Wars fan.
Justin, the Bellator was brought into official Canon around 2016 in a Canon source book. It, along with the Asserter-class, were limited production alternatives to what I would assume was the Mandator III
this matchup really needs information about the fighters on both sides. Resurgent being very much a carrier obviously limits it's firepower. If it was an updated Allegiance-like ship it would do much better in the slugfest (although would probably still lose to the super heavy turbolasers and insane ion power)
The only thing I would wonder about would be speed combined with range; if the Khyber crystals gave the Resurgent a superior reach and allowed it to ply keep away, if it could choose the battle field to allow it to put its much more advanced sensors to good use I could see it coming out on top. If the Resurgent dropped out of hyperspace right on top of the Bellator, yeah its toast.
The Bellator slays - one of my favorite designs. Would the Allegiance v the Resurgence be a more even fight? I'd love to see some Procursator vs videos if there's enough for you to work with there. It's a perfect, practical ship of the line in my head canon, and another beautiful fractalsponge creation.
Kind of out there, but I'd like to see a TIE fighter vs Zaku II (from Gundam) vid. Despite being a mecha, the zaku really ends up serving more as a close range, mass produced starfighter, so it might be fun to talk about
It's great to see this series again. I really like the Bellator, the design(of course it could be better but by Imperial standards it's great), Weapon placement and the use of Anti Fighter weapons is perfection and it's fast to boot. All and all the Bellator should have been a ship in every fleet rather then that dumb Executor. The Resurgent is a great design besides the trenches and the open space in the hull but it's a another example of scaling up rather than redesigning and refitting, it's especially bad considering their a rump Remnant faction at this point they need smaller but potent and tough ships maybe not rebel alliance levels but this is ridiculous. The resurgent just doesn't fully learn the lessons from the failure of the Empire nor does it properly adapt to the scarcity of the situation.
I'm not as well lore versed in the ships but based on the stats alone I would agree with the outcome. I'd love to see a palaeon destroyer vs something. I'm not sure what would be a good match up but for that very reason I love to learn about ships. I just don't always have time to do the research myself. that's why I love this channel tbh
Yes! I've been asking for this Starship versus for years! Thank you for making it. And I do generally agree with your jugdement, but I think you did a mistake taking starfighters out of the equation. The Resurgent has an advantage there, because it not only has much more advanced fighters, it also has a point defense system. The Bellator focuses ob heavy weaponry so much, that it propably has no signifikant number advantage. So while the Resurgent can easily repell fighters the Bellator is vulberable and will likely fall prey to getting their subsystems destroyed one by one. It might not be quite enough for the Resurgent to win, but it makes the versus much closer then you predicted I think.
This is a good point and yet it would probably matter, if the Resurgence stayed out of turbolaser range, whil the fighters did their thing. Otherwise, it is shot down before the foghters can have an effect🤷
Ship vs ideas: 1: UNSC Infinity vs 5 Cerberus class cruisers from Mass Effect 2: 5 Intrepid class ships from Star Trek vs 5 Cerberus class cruisers from Mass Effect 3: 1 Galaxy class, 2 Defiant class and 2 Akira class from Star Trek vs 5 Systems Alliance ships from Mass Effect
I know you've already done this before in several Empire at War campaigns on EcksToo, but I'd like to see a Versus matchup between the Executor and the Vengeance.
Fractal actually went back and redid the bellator with his redux version making it even more powerful then before with it's new armament being. 66 720TT HTL 256 240TT HTL 32 heavy ion cannon (~240TT equivalent) 224 40TT HTL 112 heavy missile tubes 163×4 MTL 1246×2 PD guns (1:1 LTL/heavy laser as shown)
There is something very weird and wonderful about the MC-95 star cruiser. According to the information from Wookiepedia, it has stated that this ship is bigger than the First Order's Resurgent class Star destroyer. My best guess is 3.175 km (3175 metres), because it is almost as large as the MC-85 star cruiser from the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker. Nethertheless in my hypothesis, they do also armed with turbolasers that has been sealed inside their hulls and when opened their doors to attack at any capital ships and starfighters from the First Order and the other future enemy factions in 50ABY.
This is basically Quantity(Bellator-Class) vs. Quality(Resurgent-Class) in a nutshell. Love both ships, and if I was tasked with building a fleet, these two ships are prime contenders.
How about the NR Nebula and Endurance vs the Resurgent Maybe im underestimating the nebula by itself but given the resurgent’s size and advancement , a 2 v 1 could be interesting
I'd argue that the matchup actually would boil down to which continuity you are using for the setting of the fight itself. In movie cannon, both armor and shields tend to be shredded rather quickly, with supermassive ships being the sole exception (i.e. even Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers can die to concentrated firepower to a weakpoint, or an extremely powerful singular blast). In Legends, capital-to-capital ships are enormous slugfests, with ships slowly being crippled from long-lasting engagements usually by pinpoint strikes; both armor and shields are extremely resistant to all but cataclysmic-level of firepower. This has lead to the different design philosophies seen in both ships: the Bellator is meant to be a mobile starbase, armed with heavy cannons and heavier armor meant to allow it to slug it out for long-term engagements, while being fast enough to disengage in the event someone somehow managed to outgun it. The Resurgent, on the other hand, is a pure DPS bastion, meant to burst down enemy shields and armor in order to achieve battlefield dominance, while having its own shields and armor be just strong enough to withstand the opponent's alpha strike in turn. This also has the additional quirk that the Bellator has much longer weapons range than the Resurgent, since the Bellator has bigger-yet-slower-firing turbolaser batteries; the Resurgent, on the other hand, has upgraded heavy turbolasers that would fire faster, but have shorter range. If the two ships fought in Legends, then the Bellator almost certainly wins, because while the Resurgent's DPS would absolutely be higher, the relative armor difference between the two is staggering enough that a burst ship like the Resurgent just lacks the escort needed to take on a heavier weight class. Particularly, the fight actually comes down to mostly their fighter/bomber compliments, where the Bellator has major advantage in raw deployment numbers. That being said, there is a scenario where the Resurgent could break the Bellator's shields, and disable the Bellator's guns on one side before the Resurgent's own upgraded turbolasers themselves are disabled. Then it is just a matter of the Resurgent keeping away from the Bellator's still-active side, and eventually the Bellator might just fall, if the Resurgent's upgraded TIEs can keep back the Bellator's massive compliment. In Movie Cannon, however, the Bellator would almost certainly suffer from the same lack of effectiveness in at least shields, if not armor. That scenario still favors the Bellator (because of how staggeringly deadly bombers are in Cannon, and the Bellator just has so many of them), but the Resurgent would have a significantly easier time disabling the Bellator's heaviest guns due to the relatively weaker shields. While the Bellator could also disable the Resurgent's guns, they don't fire as quickly, and would struggle to knock out the Resurgent's more technologically advanced shields before the Resurgent got within range. As a final note, the Dark Empire had a massive population and territory advantage over the First Order, which is why it went for ever-larger and ever-beefier SSDs. The First Order, on the other hand, went for relatively smaller SSDs that would be comparatively easier to crew, but had numerous high-technology upgrades that just made them that much better than any counterpart of equal (or lower) tonnage. Considering there was never anything in the Rebel/New Republic fleet that could match an SSD in tonnage, the Resurgent would have been practically untouchable in Cannon timeline. In contrast, Legends had the various SSDs and Imperial assets distributed among the various Imperial successor states, making SSD-vs-SSD/Supercapital combat something that had to be considered for both R&D as well as fleet tactics.
The Bellator class is easily my favorite Super Star Destroyer/Star Dreadnought ship. To me it's not too big like the Executor or Eclipse, but not too small like an Imperial II class. It is JUST the right size to be a sector/task force flagship for power projection, especially if given the right compliment of support ships. I'm actually frothing at the mouth for a strategic/logistics version of it with massive cargo capacity where it can be a mobile resupply/refit vessel, with the best and highest tech sensors/communications/Electronic warfare kits. This would allow it to essentially be a mobile staging area for any campaign. Move it to a secure or hidden position, send your ISD forces to cover different areas, and cycle them back to the rally point for rest, repair, resupply, or debrief. Of course that sort of strategy would rely on the Empire to be a competent foe.n
honestly the resurgence hanger design i like, making the tip 2 large gun platforms with the hanger just chillin between them is perfect for the wedge design, its a destroyer 1st or so claimed so the hanger is meh, launch all fighters and start blasting as a spear head with pew pews
I'm not sure if you do cross-verse matches anymore but if you do can you do the UNSC Mammoth vs The Republic Juggernaut please?
If this video gets to 75k views, sure.
i honestly feel like the mammoth would get obliterated, unless its the one with the MAC
@@EckhartsLadder thank you very much for replying to me.
@folfielukather8083 yeah, i figure the MAC is the only viable weapon here. MG turrets probably won't do much. I guess missile weapons might be O.K. the Armor is top notch though.
@EckhartsLadder ik these vids aren't always the most popular compared to a few yrs back, but respect for still dropping one would be cool to see more even if its sporadic
The verses videos are back? LESS GOOOO!!! At the end you said to give you suggestions, I would like to see the Tie Avenger go against a Mandalorian Fang Fighter or Eta 2 Interceptor. Those are my favorite fighters
Seconded!
I love the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer’s design, even though it’s significantly oversized as a Destroyer
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Logically it should be in the class from a dreadnought
Very much ships are in the wrong class
@@marcelxd1633 indeed
@@marcelxd1633It’s in the class between a destroyer and a dreadnought, it’s classed as a battlecruiser
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Oops your right i forgot that the class exist
But the armament can put a ship a class higher or lower (like a Victory star destroyer)
@@marcelxd1633 If we're comparing "real-world" ship types, Dreadnought isn't a thing. They were just large Battleships, and in fact "Dreadnoughts" eventually just became called "Battleships". The Iowa-class Battleship would've been a "Dreadnought" by that naming.
In reality, Star Destroyers don't fit any modern ship type. With the exception of the Tector-class, all the Star Destroyers (in Canon anyway) operate more as Mobile Forward Operating Bases with Battleship armament, an Air Wing of some kind, and deployable ground forces. Some specialize more than others, but they all (including the Executor and Mega classes) include those 3 features. That said, "Star Destroyer" is more like a KDY product line than a specific ship type.
Even then ship types are not as universal or size-based as we'd like them to be. Countries in the "real-world" have "Frigates" while others call the same kinds of ships "Destroyers" and others ever refer to the same ships as "Cruisers". Heck, I just finished watching a video comparing the World's Submarines and even there, in the same nation, you can have Submarines performing the same or similar roles that are drastically different in size.
Size was never meant to be a determination of ship type. Rather Ship-role determines type. In the case of Star Destroyers, they are Mobile bases with massive weapons platforms.
THE GOATED SERIES IS BACK!!!
OMG WE ARE SO BACK
The Resurgent is such an amazing design, very curious as to how it fares in this comparison.
The outcome of this video was not surprising lmao. I do wish we had more slugging matches between big-gun battleships in the movies, the sequel trilogy missed out on the chance to have more Star Defenders and Resurgents beating the shit out of each other instead of just plucky not-Rebels buzzing around with starfighters.
@@altf4tocringe105The fact we didn't get a Resurgent-MC95 showdown in the sequels irks me...of course, so does the storytelling in general.
Imagine the First Order fighting the Dark Empire. A slugging match of Imperial successors.
Dark Empire will win due to having better fleet and better super weapons like galaxy gun . Plus the Dark Empire has Super Star Destroyers and World Devastators, spacecrafts far superior to that oversized Mega Star Destroyer and Dreadnought the First Order has.
Its also run by more competent individuals, Palpatine and Luke Skywalker.
Kylo did not defeat Luke Skywalker canon Legends
I would've liked the First Order so much more if it had been a warlord faction like others but one that is technologically slightly superior.
I'd hand to Dark Empire for sure just based on firepower.
@@gianghoang4831 I do disagree about Palpatine being competent. He encouraged a lot of infighting between Imperials, and he lost tons of useful warships, especially the super star destroyers. However, compared to Hux and Snoke - definitely a much more competent, effective, and charismatic leader.
@@baklapjr I think based on Mandalorian S3 and Ahsoka S1 that they are trying to retroactively make that the case.
If i'm correct, I think any Star Wars stories that take place during or after the sequel trilogy will have the First order being a small but powerful splinter group of imperial warlords (specifically the group that followed the super dark path of the emperor).
Though admittedly it will be hard to sell that stupid large fleet of death-star-destroyers, or the fact that the first order literally turned a small planet (Illum) into star killer base as a "just another warlord faction).
Omg plz bring back versus series been that’s how I got hooked on this channel in the first place
I feel like this fight would be ten minutes long, the first nine and a half minutes of which would be the crew of the Bellator trying to stop laughing long enough to hit the 'fire' button when confronted with a vessel that is by volume less than a tenth their size
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
I love Fractalsponge’s Bellator. I made one a sort of mini-boss in my fleet strategy story, where the good guys got to freak out big time at the thought of having to face her. I also sprung for a 3D printed model for use in the Armada miniatures game. She lovely
Idea: Old Republic Interdictor class cruiser vs Dreadnought class heavy cruiser.
I feel like this goes to the interdictor despite the raw firepower per weapon. For a ship of its size the DCH has fairly light and sparse weaponry. We don't know about ion cannon numbers on the Interdictor Cruisers (if any), but they have a significant number of medium, dual turbo laser batteries. The number of turbo laser bolts firing in the scene that shows just Malak's Interdictor (Not any special variant) firing dozens in rapid succession down on Taris. I think that even if they're considered light turbo lasers by the Russan era, the fire rate on them would be more than enough to pickup the slack on a per shot basis. It was the battleship of Era, and Revan managed to pull off taking the majority if not all of the ones remaining in service at the end of the Mando wars.
So excited for the return of this series. It's why i subbed in the first place all those years ago. The research, the evaluation, the editing, these are the key elements of this series and they make it excellent
This is probably my favorite video series on the channel, glad to see it return.
I the Resurgent’s case gets even worse when you consider star fighters. The seemingly minor technological difference between og era and sequel era isn’t enough to make up for the sheer numbers difference.
YES CLASSIC ECK IS BACK.
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Man, a Starship versus is exactly what I needed. Thanks eck!
Man seeing a new entry to the Vs series on this channel brings a bit of nostalgia to me.
Here’s hoping to see more Vs videos soon.
Thank you for bringing versus back!
These vs videos is what got me into you channel
I don't even know how many years ago that was
Edit: some of them 7 years ago omg
Glad we’re getting more vs battles I’ve really missed them
Let’s gooooo he’s back!
I just finished rewatching all the old starship versus episodes… I was so excited to see a new versus episode this morning. Thank you so much! I have always really enjoyed these!
Even though star ships are very different in Dune, I’d like to see a verses with that and either Star Wars and Halo if there are any good comparisons.
Resurgent star destroyer is the perfect upgrade of the original star destroyer. Getting rid of the old weaknesses such as a lack of small ship defence and over exposed areas such as the bridge but retaining the raw power, capital ship Vs design retained from the original star destroyer design.
One of the very few things I liked about the sequel trilogy was the resurgent design. It really perfected the star destroyer and was a great example of evolution in ship design.
I would love to see a vid on the Legacy era Remnant ships - The Pellaeon class SD, the Predator class Tie etc....
I’m hoping you can do a Killik Hive colony ship VS some other large ship. The Killiks are my favorite Bug Race from Star Wars. And have some of the coolest lore and galactic history.
Been watching for years and I've really been missing the lore and versus videos so I'm glad to see this. This kinda stuff is always fun
I propose: Dauntless class battleship vs. Tector class battleship. Let us have another space battle of Jutland!!!
Oooh!
I love all your content Eck, but the classic Starship versus series holds a special place in my heart from when I started watching in 2017. Much love ❤️
Another amazing video. Glad to see this come back. You know what would be nice to see. A VS video between an Imperial Star Destroyer and a Galra Battle ship from Voltron.
Am I the only one wondering why a Resurgent has over 1500 ion cannons, turbolasers and point defense cannons?
I doubt the ship has enough power and space for it
I presume most of that count would be much smaller weapons intended for fighter and corvette defense and thus not as power-hungry, and a Resurgent is still a pretty big craft.
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When you compare it to other bigger ships it still has much more weapons
That is has smaller weapons is a good explanation (some Websites say that it has much heavy weapons)
I always thought a resurgence should look like a porcupine from all the guns it's said to have
The millenium falcon can field two sets of quadlasers. These small things are, well, small.
If you really wanted to, you could cover a WW2 battleship with a ludicrous number of Bofors or something if you wanted to for some reason (it would cause some concern against aircraft to say the least).
The Belator appears to forgo large numbers of normal ship to ship weapons for basically using its sheer size and output to mount the WW2 equivalent of rapid fire Gustav rail cannons rather than focus on large spreads of smaller weapons.
So basically, most of that 1500 number is probably smaller weapons like non-turbo lasers (i.e. the "point defense" stuff, which could very well include quad lasers similar to the falcon's). Those cannons on the belator are larger than some frigates, and could probably pretty handily take one out in a single shot. They are meant to take massive amounts of hurt and apply it liberally to other large capital ships, including star destroyer type vessels.
WE ARE SO BACK. Love the versus series. I remember seeing the very first one you did. Hoping to see more of these in the future
Omg thank you so so much, these are my two favorite ships in all Star Wars and it's almost my birthday. What a great early gift.
May the force be with you
Man, I’d no idea how much I missed these!
I love these videos its actually what got me into your channel i wish youd do more comparisons between IPs id watch the hell out of them
Best video for 2+ years! Very high quality and appreciated on your cosy corner of RUclips! Please also tell Cory I Said that 😂 great one loved it
I missed this series so much, it’s great to see it back
Glad to see a return of Versus Videos!!! Looking at the Halo Universe, what about a Halberd-Class destroyer versus a squadron of that up-armored Pelican that Chief flies in Halo 4
Glad to see starship versus is back. I've definitely missed these.
Nice touch making them fight! Really adds to the conclusion
The Night Buzzard vs the millennium falcon
I think star fighters would matter in this battle because the FO’s TIE SF have concussion missiles, mag-pulse warheads, & other torpedoes, so depending on the point defense of the Bellator the FO star fighters could be a factor
Yessssss! Versus is Back Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE SO BACK
I've been waiting years for more VS. FINALLY!!!
Good to see these are back.
Really missed these. Super enjoyable video
i have always seen the imperial ISD as equal in strength(utility) to the lucrehulk, the way i saw it balanced was Aclamator=munificent, Victory I=Recusant, Venator=Providence, and Bellator=Subjugator dreadnaught.
but for the lucrehulk the only counterpart that i could find was either the Secutor or the ISD, could you do a video discussing this?
Carrack-class light cruiser vs Aquitens-class light cruiser.
Woah. Back to the basics. I missed this kinda spaceship powerscaling, glad you put another one out!
As far as requests, I like the few pieces of Star Wars that are actually good; The Eewoks and Droids cartoons. Could you find an opponent for The Great Heep?
Later model E-wing vs T-70 X-wing
Another great video Eck, I love the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer I have a star wars role play and I even made my own class a bigger variant like how the Separatist Providence class had two sizes lol. The Resurgent-class always will win
I admit in a 1v1 I do Agree With Eckhart on this one but I also Agree that we need more infor for the Combined Fleet of the first order in General. As There has to be more then what we had been shown in the three bad movies.
I think the resurgent is cool looking but for what the First Order was, it seems like the opposite of what they should have. But I guess by the end of the sequel trilogy, after the Supremacy and the Xystons or whatever they were called, you don't question this particular flaw because there are more glaring ones.
They been screwed over by the writers, which is very disappointing.
This series is back? Hell yea!
The Resurgent is a weird one for having that open central deck on the prow where it is theoretically most vulnerable. I wonder if it serves any purpose.
you should do the recusant-class light destroyer (small variant) vs a mc 40 frigate.
Ridiculous suggestions: 1 Death star vs either 1 Zyston or a small fleet. Superweapon vs "Superweapon"
Would be interesting to see a similarly thought out matchup between an Allegiance-class and a Resurgent, which might be a fairer match for the Resurgent
the ship versus is a great throwback
@EckhartsLadder Here's a funny mashup: Ugly starfighter against each other to find the better! Clawcraft and other too well redesign are prohibed.
Please continue your wonderful work : it's so good to hear a fellow Canadian Star Wars fan.
Comment for the algorithm. Hope to see more starship vs in the future.
Justin, the Bellator was brought into official Canon around 2016 in a Canon source book. It, along with the Asserter-class, were limited production alternatives to what I would assume was the Mandator III
This. THIS is Star Wars content I wanna watch.
Glad to see them return
this matchup really needs information about the fighters on both sides. Resurgent being very much a carrier obviously limits it's firepower. If it was an updated Allegiance-like ship it would do much better in the slugfest (although would probably still lose to the super heavy turbolasers and insane ion power)
The only thing I would wonder about would be speed combined with range; if the Khyber crystals gave the Resurgent a superior reach and allowed it to ply keep away, if it could choose the battle field to allow it to put its much more advanced sensors to good use I could see it coming out on top. If the Resurgent dropped out of hyperspace right on top of the Bellator, yeah its toast.
Love to see old timey Ship vs videos again!
The Resurgent is such a gorgeous ship, it deserved to be in a better trilogy.
Also years ago I pitched the UNSC Infinity vs the Eclipse SSD
The Bellator slays - one of my favorite designs. Would the Allegiance v the Resurgence be a more even fight?
I'd love to see some Procursator vs videos if there's enough for you to work with there. It's a perfect, practical ship of the line in my head canon, and another beautiful fractalsponge creation.
Kind of out there, but I'd like to see a TIE fighter vs Zaku II (from Gundam) vid. Despite being a mecha, the zaku really ends up serving more as a close range, mass produced starfighter, so it might be fun to talk about
Elite Dangerous Farragut-Class Battle Cruiser vs Star Citizen Retribution-class super dreadnought
It's great to see this series again. I really like the Bellator, the design(of course it could be better but by Imperial standards it's great), Weapon placement and the use of Anti Fighter weapons is perfection and it's fast to boot. All and all the Bellator should have been a ship in every fleet rather then that dumb Executor. The Resurgent is a great design besides the trenches and the open space in the hull but it's a another example of scaling up rather than redesigning and refitting, it's especially bad considering their a rump Remnant faction at this point they need smaller but potent and tough ships maybe not rebel alliance levels but this is ridiculous. The resurgent just doesn't fully learn the lessons from the failure of the Empire nor does it properly adapt to the scarcity of the situation.
I'm not as well lore versed in the ships but based on the stats alone I would agree with the outcome. I'd love to see a palaeon destroyer vs something. I'm not sure what would be a good match up but for that very reason I love to learn about ships. I just don't always have time to do the research myself. that's why I love this channel tbh
I'd like to see a matchup between a Gallofree Yards Medium Transport and The Erfurt Latrine Disaster.
Yes! I've been asking for this Starship versus for years! Thank you for making it.
And I do generally agree with your jugdement, but I think you did a mistake taking starfighters out of the equation. The Resurgent has an advantage there, because it not only has much more advanced fighters, it also has a point defense system. The Bellator focuses ob heavy weaponry so much, that it propably has no signifikant number advantage. So while the Resurgent can easily repell fighters the Bellator is vulberable and will likely fall prey to getting their subsystems destroyed one by one.
It might not be quite enough for the Resurgent to win, but it makes the versus much closer then you predicted I think.
This is a good point and yet it would probably matter, if the Resurgence stayed out of turbolaser range, whil the fighters did their thing. Otherwise, it is shot down before the foghters can have an effect🤷
Ship vs ideas:
1: UNSC Infinity vs 5 Cerberus class cruisers from Mass Effect
2: 5 Intrepid class ships from Star Trek vs 5 Cerberus class cruisers from Mass Effect
3: 1 Galaxy class, 2 Defiant class and 2 Akira class from Star Trek vs 5 Systems Alliance ships from Mass Effect
Verses back, feels good
So weird listening to a classic eck video without the music fing RUclips
I know you've already done this before in several Empire at War campaigns on EcksToo, but I'd like to see a Versus matchup between the Executor and the Vengeance.
My nostalgia meter is over loaded! Love to see the verses back in action!!!
Fractal actually went back and redid the bellator with his redux version making it even more powerful then before with it's new armament being.
66 720TT HTL
256 240TT HTL
32 heavy ion cannon (~240TT equivalent)
224 40TT HTL
112 heavy missile tubes
163×4 MTL
1246×2 PD guns (1:1 LTL/heavy laser as shown)
There is something very weird and wonderful about the MC-95 star cruiser. According to the information from Wookiepedia, it has stated that this ship is bigger than the First Order's Resurgent class Star destroyer. My best guess is 3.175 km (3175 metres), because it is almost as large as the MC-85 star cruiser from the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker. Nethertheless in my hypothesis, they do also armed with turbolasers that has been sealed inside their hulls and when opened their doors to attack at any capital ships and starfighters from the First Order and the other future enemy factions in 50ABY.
I missed versus matches sooooooo much!
This is basically Quantity(Bellator-Class) vs. Quality(Resurgent-Class) in a nutshell.
Love both ships, and if I was tasked with building a fleet, these two ships are prime contenders.
Id love to see you do more factions/Universes compared videos again
How about the NR Nebula and Endurance vs the Resurgent
Maybe im underestimating the nebula by itself but given the resurgent’s size and advancement , a 2 v 1 could be interesting
The Nebula was pretty heavily armed, I think it could take a Resurgent by itself.
I demand Arquitens vs Carrack
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I really love your versus videos
ISD-II vs Romulan D'Deridex Warbird? Resurrected Starships tackled this one a while back, and it was fascinating
Eck doing a Star destroyer versus…. We are so back
I'd argue that the matchup actually would boil down to which continuity you are using for the setting of the fight itself. In movie cannon, both armor and shields tend to be shredded rather quickly, with supermassive ships being the sole exception (i.e. even Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers can die to concentrated firepower to a weakpoint, or an extremely powerful singular blast). In Legends, capital-to-capital ships are enormous slugfests, with ships slowly being crippled from long-lasting engagements usually by pinpoint strikes; both armor and shields are extremely resistant to all but cataclysmic-level of firepower.
This has lead to the different design philosophies seen in both ships: the Bellator is meant to be a mobile starbase, armed with heavy cannons and heavier armor meant to allow it to slug it out for long-term engagements, while being fast enough to disengage in the event someone somehow managed to outgun it. The Resurgent, on the other hand, is a pure DPS bastion, meant to burst down enemy shields and armor in order to achieve battlefield dominance, while having its own shields and armor be just strong enough to withstand the opponent's alpha strike in turn. This also has the additional quirk that the Bellator has much longer weapons range than the Resurgent, since the Bellator has bigger-yet-slower-firing turbolaser batteries; the Resurgent, on the other hand, has upgraded heavy turbolasers that would fire faster, but have shorter range.
If the two ships fought in Legends, then the Bellator almost certainly wins, because while the Resurgent's DPS would absolutely be higher, the relative armor difference between the two is staggering enough that a burst ship like the Resurgent just lacks the escort needed to take on a heavier weight class. Particularly, the fight actually comes down to mostly their fighter/bomber compliments, where the Bellator has major advantage in raw deployment numbers. That being said, there is a scenario where the Resurgent could break the Bellator's shields, and disable the Bellator's guns on one side before the Resurgent's own upgraded turbolasers themselves are disabled. Then it is just a matter of the Resurgent keeping away from the Bellator's still-active side, and eventually the Bellator might just fall, if the Resurgent's upgraded TIEs can keep back the Bellator's massive compliment.
In Movie Cannon, however, the Bellator would almost certainly suffer from the same lack of effectiveness in at least shields, if not armor. That scenario still favors the Bellator (because of how staggeringly deadly bombers are in Cannon, and the Bellator just has so many of them), but the Resurgent would have a significantly easier time disabling the Bellator's heaviest guns due to the relatively weaker shields. While the Bellator could also disable the Resurgent's guns, they don't fire as quickly, and would struggle to knock out the Resurgent's more technologically advanced shields before the Resurgent got within range.
As a final note, the Dark Empire had a massive population and territory advantage over the First Order, which is why it went for ever-larger and ever-beefier SSDs. The First Order, on the other hand, went for relatively smaller SSDs that would be comparatively easier to crew, but had numerous high-technology upgrades that just made them that much better than any counterpart of equal (or lower) tonnage. Considering there was never anything in the Rebel/New Republic fleet that could match an SSD in tonnage, the Resurgent would have been practically untouchable in Cannon timeline. In contrast, Legends had the various SSDs and Imperial assets distributed among the various Imperial successor states, making SSD-vs-SSD/Supercapital combat something that had to be considered for both R&D as well as fleet tactics.
Let’s go!! We takin it back to 2018 with this one
The eclipse 2 vs the supremacy would be a interesting match up
The Bellator class is easily my favorite Super Star Destroyer/Star Dreadnought ship. To me it's not too big like the Executor or Eclipse, but not too small like an Imperial II class. It is JUST the right size to be a sector/task force flagship for power projection, especially if given the right compliment of support ships.
I'm actually frothing at the mouth for a strategic/logistics version of it with massive cargo capacity where it can be a mobile resupply/refit vessel, with the best and highest tech sensors/communications/Electronic warfare kits. This would allow it to essentially be a mobile staging area for any campaign. Move it to a secure or hidden position, send your ISD forces to cover different areas, and cycle them back to the rally point for rest, repair, resupply, or debrief.
Of course that sort of strategy would rely on the Empire to be a competent foe.n
This is what i love in star wars. Just two big ships engaging in a slugging match.
honestly the resurgence hanger design i like, making the tip 2 large gun platforms with the hanger just chillin between them is perfect for the wedge design, its a destroyer 1st or so claimed so the hanger is meh, launch all fighters and start blasting as a spear head with pew pews