Slightly chaotic video, I know. I'll create myself some bulletpoints to make things more structured next time and also have a TL;DR section for you very busy folk. Please leave other feedback, questions, suggestions in the comments. Oopsie: Around 25:00 I talk about Barbed Shot being buffed by 25%. That's completely wrong - it's getting NERFED by 25%. Still more damage per cast than Kill Command post-nerf though. I perhaps didn't get across SUPER clearly what I think the best M+ Hunter Spec is: It's Survival.
Any chance we can get a focused video on Survival (raid/m+) for those of us visual learners who read the guides but also crave a video? Appreciate these videos big time btw! Please keep them coming.
I can see wanting to commentate over near-perfect gameplay, but calling out your mistakes arguably might be even more useful. Would love a walkthrough!
I really appreciate you and all that you do for the hunter community. I'm so busy in the real world, it's hard for me to do any of this on my own right now, so you make it possible for me and other's to enjoy our hunters to the fullest extent. God bless~
Thank you so much for these videos Azor... They are so incredibly useful and interesting. As a self-styled "average-hardcore" player, I am focused on optimizing and have an understand of the spec enough to get into trouble, but I'm not smart enough to get out of it again. I have yet to delve into looking deeper into the APL and understanding sims and theorycrafting, so your videoes, tutorials, updates and explanations (you may have heard this before, but you're litterally like a Hunter professor/teacher) go a very long way in making me better at my class to the benefit of those that play with me, as well as boosting my enjoyment of the class and the game in general. Thank you so much 🙂 Also - actually really enjoyed the format. It's a good day when I see a new Azor video on youtube. Happy hunting my dude.
@@benkelly7182 could be worse, if they weren‘t having such major quality issues and balancing was more towards mm hunters, it would probably be quite some fun
Same. But I wanna do some smooth higher keys. Simply can't with the DPS of MM. When it's a whole 0.5mil overall dmg behind survival in keys.. That is just too much of a gab. And I don't even have the right stat balance for Survival. Still got more crit than mastery. Three weeks ago with 15 ilvls less, my MM was doing more dmg overall.
To be frank, the lack of clarity with the Howl stacks in the default UI beyond the little buff square is part of the problem to me where it feels Blizz completely gave up on updating their spell alerts. A crucial buff shouldn’t require installing a third party addon because it doesn’t have sufficient in-game indicators like other crucial buffs. I was there back when Power Auras was still around and it pressured Blizzard into implementing spell alerts and improved native readability of their buffs/debuffs so there wouldn’t be a reliance on addons. But they definitely have not kept up with their design and readability visual language for a while.
Its a big problem with a lot of buffs. Why the hell do we have to read guides and add weak auras to track, manage, and understand how our spec actually works on a fundamental level.
Like the video. Wanted to know if you'll consider doing walkthroughs on the mythic raid bosses from a hunter perspective? I know you have stream vods up but I can't seem to find one that has the first boss.
I wouldn't play hunter if not for Survival. Just an amazing, fun melee spec, although the devs have really taken a lot of it's identity away with this latest update by nerfing bomb spam quite a bit.
I'm in the same boat. I miss dragonflight survival with massive bomb spam. Don't know why they want to push this kill command tip of the spear crap and dumb down the spec.
@@darkraider1130 yeah you were literally just spamming mongoose bite in st also and it was very boring if i remember correctly, it feels so much more fun now
I really don't see a nerf to bomb spam? The opener in M+ is unload all bombs and go into CA and immediately get 2 new Tipped bombs, while Butchery and ES running, and throwing in the FOTE with space. Once the synergy of Butchery reducing CDs to Bomb which then reduces Butchery going, there's a pretty consistent rhythm.
Bomb spam was never the specs identity - even in legion it was fury of the eagle and mongoose bite. You're right the identity has moved away, and that's because we don't take mongoose bite anymore.
Question as it relates to survival: I know Surv is one of the better melee specs at keeping DPS uptime even when dealing with mechanics that cause you to move around, but does movement/mechanics account for a significant difference between it and MM/BM in many places in your experience?
Hi Azor, Thanks for the Video great work. 2 questions. a) is the MM aoe sentinel build represented here the salvo build? (therefore MM could get higher prio damage build with the wail arrow cleaving build? for example for Mythic Queen? or is it already the wailing build? and b) Could these Dark Ranger numbers could get even WORSE if they fix the bugs?
Fantastic format for a video. All of the information is clearly written out and you convey the information that needs to be conveyed. Our community is lucky to have you.
Really hope they add Howl of the Pack being active during the duration of Coordinated Assault. It's pretty annoying watching it fall in the middle of bursting.
Question, when you are swapping specs from Bm to survival in raid are you also saving gear with crit / mastery ? It sucks because Bm hunter wants haste / crit but mm and sv hate haste.
Hey champ! First off, thank you so very much for all the work you put in these guides!! my question : what about the ST fights where you're required to move more such as Nexus princess? still MM over BM? because i assume these are patchwork numbers?
Hey! I feel like the sims atm are not accurate for DR.. i did 1,5m dps on hc sikran on a 2,5 min fight. If I sim my hunter with the same gear, i do 1,2m dps on a 2m patchwork fight. Is it still bugged on live servers or?
how does the talent Laceration for bm work. Ive seen some bm with 20-25% of their dmg in st form this talent but for me its at 2-3%. Am i doing something wrong or are they useing a bug to make it that much more powerful. I use the build from icy vains Pack leader st (for comparision)
I was wondering if you had any interest in a sort of hyper-optimized raid guide where you talk about each mythic raid boss and what specs you play for each? Maybe even the builds? But i think your guides do that well once we know what spec you play. This could even just be a short answer
@@Lere look up hunter only raid logs for each boss and see what the majority are doing if you are comfortable playing all specs and have gear for everything stat prio
Damn, this is some really awesome info. I really appreciate all the time and work you put into putting this together. Looks like it's a good time to pick up Survival.
I'm getting so frustrated by Hunter's Prey... I like how it feels in terms of key press impact but getting sick of having to ask tanks to be careful with pulls or else I may pull an extra pack inadvertently... Just bricked at least 3 keys this week due to it hitting mobs that aren't in combat. Not sure if intended behavior, but frustrating as hell...
Honestly , in high end content that's how it should be. BM should be for newer players that are doing open world content and delves. That's what it's best for. Then when you want to improve and play high end content you can switch to MM or survival.
@@setha7398 i agree. i feel like no spec should have uncontested movement while being able to perfectly execute their rotation (from range especially). bm should do some damage so that people that like it are able to play it, but i wholeheartedly think that bm should always sim the lowest, since it has no penalty during any fights. this is unlike survival who might have to move out of melee or unlike mm who might have to move in general and wont be able to cast aimed shots
@@setha7398, there is absolutely no reason for BM not to be viable for higher content, or any other class for that matter. this elitist behavior is destroying the game.
@@mariansimon1007What a joke of a remark. By this line of thinking, as MM is the second most mobile ranged spec in the game it should be behind all the casters in all forms of content
@@tacticalgoatman Each spec is being simmed with its bis gear. I didn't fully optimize every single hero talent combo, but that stuff doesn't amount to more than 1% or so, tops
After playing BM for the entirety of DF I tried MM for 10+ keys and also SV for a fair amount (120+ keys). Both isn't my cup of tea. Don' know what it is exactly. Switched back to BM last weekend and it just feels right! In my opinion it's getting easier to get invites aswell. I'll stick to BM. I just love it ❤️
When I see this I always wonder how the hell did it come to the point that they say "MM Dark ranger is overperforming in single target lets nerf BA by 10% (after hotfix)" but then Survival exists and overall it's the strongest hunter spec, another melee that's insanely strong as if the game didn't have enough of them already. Well at least the Surv enjoyer brothers are eating good. I'm still dreaming of a world where Salvo gets merged into Volley or Small game hunter into trickshots so it opens up a route to get Improved Deathblow and Killer Accuracy for some ST prio damage by sacrificing Tactical Reload.
So to be clear, the only spec thats actually completely dead on arrival is MM DR?, also I am assuming if you aren't pushing super high keys and you are fine with 7-10's BM DR is still fine? by the way Thank you for the work you put in for all of us other hunters lol.
Blizz takes all this time to rework DR to then gut it to oblivion (atleast for MM but come on that's exactly what the class fantasy is for). I was awaiting the rework and had fun with it but after they gutted it I quit retail.
Just the typical 'weakness' being melee and relatively squishier than the other melee options honestly. Still I love it, I've become one of the M+ carry DPSes in my guild now.
Damn, I hoped DR MM hunter be strong for ST and AOE. Got no reason to play higher contents now. Just transmog farming and occasional break from wow until MM is great again.
@ I don’t have the WA for it but I’ve gotten a pretty good grasp at the internal Cd of it but yeah I’ll miss it sometimes and have to wait for 3 sec for another bomb but I don’t know if that’s all I’m more worried I’m buffing the wrong skills with tip. With pack I try to buff everything but I see with sentinel ppl send out raw butchery’s. Do you have insight on that?
Ive been either maining survival or its been my #1 alt ever since the rework in Legion and have always enjoyed playing it. But im not a fan of the new tip of the spear mechanic. Playing survival right now makes me feel like im always wasting resources, either its tip of the spear stacks being used up on raptor strikes or else im going to be overcapping on energy. Personally i feel that survival was more fun in Dragonflight, some core abilites not being present anymore is kinda lame with no wildfire infusion and no Mongoose Bite which i dont understand why that isnt baseline.
You are one hundred percent correct. Survival was best in dragonflight. Tip of the spear and having to use kill command is not the survival identity and never should be. 😊
In my opnion I think the people who complain about sentinal are bad players. They want to unload right away and have no patient. Literally if you wait a few seconds for the tank to gather things and stop moving then unload your dps will increase. Just be patient.
I simmed the most recent BMPL build compared to the previous one and the previous one sims 2% higher. Is this due to my current stats? Should I leave it as is or try to aim for different items to accommodate ?
I've been saying this for a while now. Old Survival was basically Sylvanas. Less about hard hits and more Dark Arrows, poisons, etc. BM is basically Rexxar. No explanation needed. MM is basically Tyrande. Swift, hard hitting, no nonsense execution. It makes zero sense for Survival to have been the melee spec, they only picked it for its name. BM is litearlly Rexxar 2.0. Should've been BM with option to duel-wield as well.
It's really interesting how blizz put in all this work into the DR rework, and then nerfed it so bad that no one wants to play it. Just blizzard things I guess, maybe it will get there one of these days.
So if you dont want to be a confused melee, & you dont want to get rid of your pet.......you can just have 💩 dps
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Key to survival damage is don't min max tip of the spear for every bomb or whatever. Use Kill command for when you need focus..otherwise focus on bombs, butchery, explosive shot and try to use coord assault with all these also. Raptor strike to apply serpent sting and use some focus on a single target. Fury of the eagle on aoe...not single target unless maybe low health
Copium aside, I... Do not understand the reasoning/process behind Blizzard's development on this. To me, playing Hunter going on almost 20 years... it is astounding that Blizzard would take one of, if not the, most anticipated Hero Spec of the expansion, and start it off with it being one of the worst... to then spend a huge effort reworking it for 11.0.5... for it to be bad. And then to nerf it. Like, from a player perspective - it no longer feels like Blizzard incompetence or negligence. It feels intentional now, like a slap in the face. They have the numbers. They KNOW its performance. And to then nerf it after hyping players up for its rework is so... disheartening. I understand fixes need to happen and yada yada... but we are now over 2 months into the expansion, and they've only applied what, 2 changes to DR overall? A conceptually cool but numbers-off rework, and a nerf...? And ... what's their comment? Radio silence. Their inability to take quick action, or apply small, incremental changes, kills player's interest. Players don't want to wait until 11.2.0 for DR to "finally" have bite, only for either Shadow Priest or any of the 6 Mages to top it anyways. I guess it wasn't really copium aside...
I know we should play the meta, but it feels weird to play melee hunter when there are better melee classes. So.. can I please go BM or MM in M+ without being kicked ? :D
You should have your own group so you won't be kicked on any class and spec you'd play. I just created hunter, and this nerf.. 😢 I don't want another melee class such as surv, Fuck it
Survival is the most fun melee spec I have ever played. And it's extremely strong. Survival is very rarely this strong , if ever and it's because of people like you. Leave it alone. BM and MM are always the strongest hunter spec, take the L for one single patch. Jeez.
What do you mean leave it alone. Ranged has been here since the beginning. I really just wish SV got moved off to its own class so that there can’t a stop to this melee/ranged divide.
Its fun for the people who like the hunter class and melee, its nice that it definitely feels different than the other specs but i would like to see mm and bm buffed
It's the best and most fun hunter spec and always has been. If you like your sit in ranged and not move 2 button BM spec, just go play that. Leave survival alone, it's fun and strong. It never gets it's time to be the best hunter spec , so you can deal with it for a patch.
@@setha7398 Leave SV alone comes a few years to late no? Wanna be a melee mongo without a care in the world except to be a pimple in a boss's ass - thats Wow-s melee for you - there are already plenty other specs for that.
What's the point of working out bugs in the hunter dicord? It will be ignored anyways. So it's just a waste of time. But hey, the volley visibility bug in PVP got fixed. Yay, I guess.
Good. That's how it should be. BM is for newer players with an easy rotation and instant cast all abilities. Having that be the strongest and easiest makes no sense. To do higher content you should have to go MM or survival.
@ Oh, please. There is no such similar argument being presented or implemented for Ret, Frost, Destro, dps warriors, etc. And if you think MM is on an entirely different giga-brain realm of difficulty you are living in an alternate reality. Also, by your logic MM should never do more damage than an Spriest or any of the other dps specs with more complex rotations in any form of content. Take your elitism and faulty logic to the forums
@@setha7398BM shouldnt be the best spec, it should be viable tho…if it’s gonna be this shit why even have it in the game? Survival is not complicated at all and it is still the best by far
So you are saying all hunter who have been BM-mains for YEARS should have to abandon the spec to enjoy content like eveybody else and leave the spec to be some kind of low status noob-spec?
@@setha7398 that is the most stupid arguement ever BM isn't even the easiest spec in the game, fury warrior is easier , MM has a much easier rotation, its literally aimed shot, rf and multishot, bm if you don't manage your barbed shot stacks they will drop off so easy compared to before and you will lose a shit tonne of damage
I really miss surv being ranged… I’d still play it if wasn’t for tip of the spear. Just not a fun mechanic to play around. To me, it just feels like a worse arms warrior. If it was just the bomber play style, that at least has more call back to old ranged surv.
Amen! I LOVED LOVED LOVED playing ranged survival. Back when mythic raiding gear mattered, I could go out and jump on multiple max level horde in world pvp and wipe them out as ranged surv hunter! I would literally fly around Northrend spamming for peeps getting ganked, fly down in the middle of them, wreck ‘em and graveyard camp them. Ahhh, the good ole days!
Hunters used spears for hundreds of thousands of years, bows for tens of thousands of years, and guns for 400-500 years. Melee Hunter is perhaps the most common spec in all of human history…. all that time and yet 2024 is THE YEAR OF THE SPEAR
Are you trying to claim that "hit only Mongoose Bite" was an interactive spec? There's way more play between different abilities now than there was in any iteration of the Mongoose Bite single target builds.
@@Evilmon2 What I am saying is that MB was a staple of the spec and now you don't ever play it. Managing to fit as many Bites in a window was dynamic and interesting idea (not always executed in way that fit that idea admittedly). This new SV cares more about its generator than its spender... Not exactly fun design imo. What I would have liked to see is put more emphasis on Bite in aoe and less on bomb spam. KC extending the duration of Mongoose Fury is also not good, makes the window feel meaningless.
Survival is right where it needs to be, it's the other specs that need to be brought up. Playing a ranged hunter feels so ass right now. Sure ill be an aoe king in m+ as MM but it feels shitty to basically be doing tank damage on bosses.
Survival never gets to be the strongest hunter spec. You weirdos can deal with it for one patch. Just cuz your sit and do nothing 2 button BM spec isnt good doesn't mean surv should be nerfed.
Interpreting the data to suit your perspective seems weird. Like changing all the sims yourself to adjust for things you have have decided are bugs and expect to be changed doesn't give any sort of honest representation of the numbers in game right now. It really feels like you want survival to be the best, and your data interpretation is leaning that way. But then again, i'm not without bias myself sooooo...
@@gloomshadeo You've misunderstood. I have made no assumptions about bugs I assume will be fixed. These sims are trying to model what's ingame as closely as possible.
Slightly chaotic video, I know. I'll create myself some bulletpoints to make things more structured next time and also have a TL;DR section for you very busy folk. Please leave other feedback, questions, suggestions in the comments.
Oopsie: Around 25:00 I talk about Barbed Shot being buffed by 25%. That's completely wrong - it's getting NERFED by 25%. Still more damage per cast than Kill Command post-nerf though.
I perhaps didn't get across SUPER clearly what I think the best M+ Hunter Spec is: It's Survival.
Any chance we can get a focused video on Survival (raid/m+) for those of us visual learners who read the guides but also crave a video? Appreciate these videos big time btw! Please keep them coming.
yo honestly i really enjoyed this format just for some general updates and answers for the spec right now. Definatly keep making some.
Gotta love how much effort they put into Dark Ranger, advertised it etc., then stomped it into the ground. What an amazing video Azor!! TYVM!
I can see wanting to commentate over near-perfect gameplay, but calling out your mistakes arguably might be even more useful. Would love a walkthrough!
I really appreciate you and all that you do for the hunter community. I'm so busy in the real world, it's hard for me to do any of this on my own right now, so you make it possible for me and other's to enjoy our hunters to the fullest extent. God bless~
Thank you so much for these videos Azor... They are so incredibly useful and interesting. As a self-styled "average-hardcore" player, I am focused on optimizing and have an understand of the spec enough to get into trouble, but I'm not smart enough to get out of it again. I have yet to delve into looking deeper into the APL and understanding sims and theorycrafting, so your videoes, tutorials, updates and explanations (you may have heard this before, but you're litterally like a Hunter professor/teacher) go a very long way in making me better at my class to the benefit of those that play with me, as well as boosting my enjoyment of the class and the game in general. Thank you so much 🙂
Also - actually really enjoyed the format. It's a good day when I see a new Azor video on youtube. Happy hunting my dude.
I've been playing MM for 19 years, I am not going to stop now no matter what they do
How do you like it in its current state?
@@benkelly7182 It's fun but Blizzard has their head SO far up their ass about them... Playing it is fun. When you get to play :)
@@benkelly7182 could be worse, if they weren‘t having such major quality issues and balancing was more towards mm hunters, it would probably be quite some fun
@@alphadelta4314 MM is simming 200k less than BM for me now AND it has better stat distribution. It's pretty gutted.
Same. But I wanna do some smooth higher keys.
Simply can't with the DPS of MM. When it's a whole 0.5mil overall dmg behind survival in keys..
That is just too much of a gab. And I don't even have the right stat balance for Survival. Still got more crit than mastery.
Three weeks ago with 15 ilvls less, my MM was doing more dmg overall.
Just found ur channel, great content. Longtime SV Hunter main, I appreciate the detailed breakdowns on damage profiles.
thank you for the thorough analysis of the hunter class.
To be frank, the lack of clarity with the Howl stacks in the default UI beyond the little buff square is part of the problem to me where it feels Blizz completely gave up on updating their spell alerts. A crucial buff shouldn’t require installing a third party addon because it doesn’t have sufficient in-game indicators like other crucial buffs. I was there back when Power Auras was still around and it pressured Blizzard into implementing spell alerts and improved native readability of their buffs/debuffs so there wouldn’t be a reliance on addons. But they definitely have not kept up with their design and readability visual language for a while.
Its a big problem with a lot of buffs. Why the hell do we have to read guides and add weak auras to track, manage, and understand how our spec actually works on a fundamental level.
Thanks a lot for this detailed video :)) cause you are answering all my questions !
Bro saved himself form Discord pings! Thx for your effort!
Like the video. Wanted to know if you'll consider doing walkthroughs on the mythic raid bosses from a hunter perspective? I know you have stream vods up but I can't seem to find one that has the first boss.
I wouldn't play hunter if not for Survival. Just an amazing, fun melee spec, although the devs have really taken a lot of it's identity away with this latest update by nerfing bomb spam quite a bit.
I'm in the same boat. I miss dragonflight survival with massive bomb spam. Don't know why they want to push this kill command tip of the spear crap and dumb down the spec.
Because the bomb spam was the old explosive shot spam from when it was still a ranged spec. The other stuff came from it’s move to melee…
@@darkraider1130 yeah you were literally just spamming mongoose bite in st also and it was very boring if i remember correctly, it feels so much more fun now
I really don't see a nerf to bomb spam? The opener in M+ is unload all bombs and go into CA and immediately get 2 new Tipped bombs, while Butchery and ES running, and throwing in the FOTE with space. Once the synergy of Butchery reducing CDs to Bomb which then reduces Butchery going, there's a pretty consistent rhythm.
Bomb spam was never the specs identity - even in legion it was fury of the eagle and mongoose bite. You're right the identity has moved away, and that's because we don't take mongoose bite anymore.
Question as it relates to survival: I know Surv is one of the better melee specs at keeping DPS uptime even when dealing with mechanics that cause you to move around, but does movement/mechanics account for a significant difference between it and MM/BM in many places in your experience?
Hi Azor, Thanks for the Video great work. 2 questions. a) is the MM aoe sentinel build represented here the salvo build? (therefore MM could get higher prio damage build with the wail arrow cleaving build? for example for Mythic Queen? or is it already the wailing build?
and b) Could these Dark Ranger numbers could get even WORSE if they fix the bugs?
Fantastic format for a video. All of the information is clearly written out and you convey the information that needs to be conveyed. Our community is lucky to have you.
This is so fun to watch even tho I'm not maining hunter atm
Thanks for your excelent job Azor!
Thx for the upload!
Really hope they add Howl of the Pack being active during the duration of Coordinated Assault. It's pretty annoying watching it fall in the middle of bursting.
Big Rip we had a week to shine and Blizzard played us
Question, when you are swapping specs from Bm to survival in raid are you also saving gear with crit / mastery ? It sucks because Bm hunter wants haste / crit but mm and sv hate haste.
Is bombadier bugged? It seems that it hardly ever actually hits additional targets.
Hey champ! First off, thank you so very much for all the work you put in these guides!! my question : what about the ST fights where you're required to move more such as Nexus princess? still MM over BM? because i assume these are patchwork numbers?
Nexus Princess' movement is basically a non-factor for MM's DPS, same goes for pretty much every other encounter.
I am one of the few that IS happy to hear that Survival is best. Year of the spear lads.
Hey! I feel like the sims atm are not accurate for DR.. i did 1,5m dps on hc sikran on a 2,5 min fight. If I sim my hunter with the same gear, i do 1,2m dps on a 2m patchwork fight.
Is it still bugged on live servers or?
Beside that its a lot of content. I love your summaries. Keep up the good work❤
how does the talent Laceration for bm work. Ive seen some bm with 20-25% of their dmg in st form this talent but for me its at 2-3%. Am i doing something wrong or are they useing a bug to make it that much more powerful. I use the build from icy vains Pack leader st (for comparision)
Shamans getting reverted nerfs, hunters getting... yep :)
I was wondering if you had any interest in a sort of hyper-optimized raid guide where you talk about each mythic raid boss and what specs you play for each? Maybe even the builds? But i think your guides do that well once we know what spec you play.
This could even just be a short answer
And maybe some hunter-specific tips for each of the fights?
@@Lere look up hunter only raid logs for each boss and see what the majority are doing if you are comfortable playing all specs and have gear for everything stat prio
Thanks for the video - was actually just what I was looking for. As for your accent - are you Danish? :)
@@Gegomax-n8f yep!
Sporebat! 🤩🤩
Great Video!
Damn, this is some really awesome info. I really appreciate all the time and work you put into putting this together. Looks like it's a good time to pick up Survival.
I'm getting so frustrated by Hunter's Prey... I like how it feels in terms of key press impact but getting sick of having to ask tanks to be careful with pulls or else I may pull an extra pack inadvertently...
Just bricked at least 3 keys this week due to it hitting mobs that aren't in combat. Not sure if intended behavior, but frustrating as hell...
Nice! BM back to F Tier in M+.
Honestly , in high end content that's how it should be. BM should be for newer players that are doing open world content and delves. That's what it's best for. Then when you want to improve and play high end content you can switch to MM or survival.
@@setha7398
Lol.
@@setha7398 i agree. i feel like no spec should have uncontested movement while being able to perfectly execute their rotation (from range especially). bm should do some damage so that people that like it are able to play it, but i wholeheartedly think that bm should always sim the lowest, since it has no penalty during any fights. this is unlike survival who might have to move out of melee or unlike mm who might have to move in general and wont be able to cast aimed shots
@@setha7398, there is absolutely no reason for BM not to be viable for higher content, or any other class for that matter. this elitist behavior is destroying the game.
@@mariansimon1007What a joke of a remark. By this line of thinking, as MM is the second most mobile ranged spec in the game it should be behind all the casters in all forms of content
May i ask, how is optimal stat prio for each spec taken into account in these calculations?
@@tacticalgoatman Each spec is being simmed with its bis gear. I didn't fully optimize every single hero talent combo, but that stuff doesn't amount to more than 1% or so, tops
@@Azortharion thank you!
Hi could you please do a guide with raid rotation please
Check description for my guides for all 3 specs.
After playing BM for the entirety of DF I tried MM for 10+ keys and also SV for a fair amount (120+ keys). Both isn't my cup of tea. Don' know what it is exactly. Switched back to BM last weekend and it just feels right! In my opinion it's getting easier to get invites aswell. I'll stick to BM. I just love it ❤️
Yeah man... I can not change from BM. We lived like a king previous expansion, now we will rest a bit.
When I see this I always wonder how the hell did it come to the point that they say "MM Dark ranger is overperforming in single target lets nerf BA by 10% (after hotfix)" but then Survival exists and overall it's the strongest hunter spec, another melee that's insanely strong as if the game didn't have enough of them already. Well at least the Surv enjoyer brothers are eating good.
I'm still dreaming of a world where Salvo gets merged into Volley or Small game hunter into trickshots so it opens up a route to get Improved Deathblow and Killer Accuracy for some ST prio damage by sacrificing Tactical Reload.
So to be clear, the only spec thats actually completely dead on arrival is MM DR?, also I am assuming if you aren't pushing super high keys and you are fine with 7-10's BM DR is still fine? by the way Thank you for the work you put in for all of us other hunters lol.
Blizz takes all this time to rework DR to then gut it to oblivion (atleast for MM but come on that's exactly what the class fantasy is for). I was awaiting the rework and had fun with it but after they gutted it I quit retail.
@@rhynory sentinel is so stupid as a theme to me bro just seems phoned in af.
surv is soo fun right now im really enjoying it, feels like you dont really have any weaknesses
SVs weakness is that mongoose bite is unplayable
Same man, im enjoying it, not everyones cup of tea but i like the rotation
only struggle is it's not wanted spec for +10 and above....cause meta retards want only enhancement, dk and here and there pala/warr ..
@@ethanavrigean6734 freindship ended with mongoose bite, now butchery is my best friend
Just the typical 'weakness' being melee and relatively squishier than the other melee options honestly. Still I love it, I've become one of the M+ carry DPSes in my guild now.
Damn, I hoped DR MM hunter be strong for ST and AOE.
Got no reason to play higher contents now. Just transmog farming and occasional break from wow until MM is great again.
My ST with pack aoe is so good but my sentinel is way behind im 625 and do about 1.3m with pack but 1.07 with sentinel
@@ticien1 probably not playing around lunar storm properly
@ I don’t have the WA for it but I’ve gotten a pretty good grasp at the internal Cd of it but yeah I’ll miss it sometimes and have to wait for 3 sec for another bomb but I don’t know if that’s all I’m more worried I’m buffing the wrong skills with tip. With pack I try to buff everything but I see with sentinel ppl send out raw butchery’s. Do you have insight on that?
Mad bombers rise!
Ive been either maining survival or its been my #1 alt ever since the rework in Legion and have always enjoyed playing it. But im not a fan of the new tip of the spear mechanic. Playing survival right now makes me feel like im always wasting resources, either its tip of the spear stacks being used up on raptor strikes or else im going to be overcapping on energy. Personally i feel that survival was more fun in Dragonflight, some core abilites not being present anymore is kinda lame with no wildfire infusion and no Mongoose Bite which i dont understand why that isnt baseline.
You are one hundred percent correct. Survival was best in dragonflight. Tip of the spear and having to use kill command is not the survival identity and never should be. 😊
Dragonflight was just old ranged SV in melee form. People want old SV, regardless of distance.
@darkraider1130 you didn't play dragonflight survival then lmfaooo. I actually can't believe you said that.
In my opnion I think the people who complain about sentinal are bad players. They want to unload right away and have no patient. Literally if you wait a few seconds for the tank to gather things and stop moving then unload your dps will increase. Just be patient.
I simmed the most recent BMPL build compared to the previous one and the previous one sims 2% higher. Is this due to my current stats? Should I leave it as is or try to aim for different items to accommodate ?
@@Gr3gHerrera set your simc version to "latest" and try again
SV should be ranged & BM melee, Rexxar & fighting along side your pets makes WAY more sense...as well as SV, ranged, kiting.
SV is mostly ranged and kiting is how we kill melee.
@@benkelly7182 but its not true ranged, as it should be.
I've been saying this for a while now.
Old Survival was basically Sylvanas. Less about hard hits and more Dark Arrows, poisons, etc.
BM is basically Rexxar. No explanation needed.
MM is basically Tyrande. Swift, hard hitting, no nonsense execution.
It makes zero sense for Survival to have been the melee spec, they only picked it for its name. BM is litearlly Rexxar 2.0. Should've been BM with option to duel-wield as well.
@@elgar7252 💯
All blizzard understood from this video is: Survival is overperforming, nerf 20% :D
It's really interesting how blizz put in all this work into the DR rework, and then nerfed it so bad that no one wants to play it. Just blizzard things I guess, maybe it will get there one of these days.
MM is so behind survival in m+ its not even close/feel like same class, how can they nerf MM rofl
So if you dont want to be a confused melee, & you dont want to get rid of your pet.......you can just have 💩 dps
Key to survival damage is don't min max tip of the spear for every bomb or whatever. Use Kill command for when you need focus..otherwise focus on bombs, butchery, explosive shot and try to use coord assault with all these also. Raptor strike to apply serpent sting and use some focus on a single target. Fury of the eagle on aoe...not single target unless maybe low health
You should check out my guide in the description for Survival. You have a few misunderstandings about that spec that could be helped by it ;p
rip ranged hunters
Right, just another stupid melee class
TLDR: Year of the spear!
Copium aside, I... Do not understand the reasoning/process behind Blizzard's development on this. To me, playing Hunter going on almost 20 years... it is astounding that Blizzard would take one of, if not the, most anticipated Hero Spec of the expansion, and start it off with it being one of the worst... to then spend a huge effort reworking it for 11.0.5... for it to be bad.
And then to nerf it.
Like, from a player perspective - it no longer feels like Blizzard incompetence or negligence. It feels intentional now, like a slap in the face. They have the numbers. They KNOW its performance. And to then nerf it after hyping players up for its rework is so... disheartening. I understand fixes need to happen and yada yada... but we are now over 2 months into the expansion, and they've only applied what, 2 changes to DR overall? A conceptually cool but numbers-off rework, and a nerf...?
And ... what's their comment? Radio silence. Their inability to take quick action, or apply small, incremental changes, kills player's interest. Players don't want to wait until 11.2.0 for DR to "finally" have bite, only for either Shadow Priest or any of the 6 Mages to top it anyways.
I guess it wasn't really copium aside...
Back to Metin 2
Ok, hunter bm is dead?
I think so, now I can switch to my another character that didn't get such a nerf YET 😊
hmm so much for those so called "overperforming" Dark rangers by the devs
I know we should play the meta, but it feels weird to play melee hunter when there are better melee classes. So.. can I please go BM or MM in M+ without being kicked ? :D
You should have your own group so you won't be kicked on any class and spec you'd play. I just created hunter, and this nerf.. 😢 I don't want another melee class such as surv, Fuck it
Survival is the most fun melee spec I have ever played. And it's extremely strong. Survival is very rarely this strong , if ever and it's because of people like you. Leave it alone. BM and MM are always the strongest hunter spec, take the L for one single patch. Jeez.
What do you mean leave it alone. Ranged has been here since the beginning. I really just wish SV got moved off to its own class so that there can’t a stop to this melee/ranged divide.
bm is literally decent rn shouldnt complain
Better melee classes?
they could buff surv to be double the dmg of mm and bm and I'd still not play it, fuck melee hunter
Its fun for the people who like the hunter class and melee, its nice that it definitely feels different than the other specs but i would like to see mm and bm buffed
You could buff mm and bm to do 10x the damage of surv and it’d still not be a bow cuck!! Fuck now hunters
Same
It's the best and most fun hunter spec and always has been. If you like your sit in ranged and not move 2 button BM spec, just go play that. Leave survival alone, it's fun and strong. It never gets it's time to be the best hunter spec , so you can deal with it for a patch.
@@setha7398 Leave SV alone comes a few years to late no? Wanna be a melee mongo without a care in the world except to be a pimple in a boss's ass - thats Wow-s melee for you - there are already plenty other specs for that.
What's the point of working out bugs in the hunter dicord? It will be ignored anyways. So it's just a waste of time. But hey, the volley visibility bug in PVP got fixed. Yay, I guess.
It's the year of the spear!
So the devs have now succeeded in making BM the weakest hunter spec in all forms of content
Good. That's how it should be. BM is for newer players with an easy rotation and instant cast all abilities. Having that be the strongest and easiest makes no sense. To do higher content you should have to go MM or survival.
@ Oh, please. There is no such similar argument being presented or implemented for Ret, Frost, Destro, dps warriors, etc. And if you think MM is on an entirely different giga-brain realm of difficulty you are living in an alternate reality. Also, by your logic MM should never do more damage than an Spriest or any of the other dps specs with more complex rotations in any form of content. Take your elitism and faulty logic to the forums
@@setha7398BM shouldnt be the best spec, it should be viable tho…if it’s gonna be this shit why even have it in the game?
Survival is not complicated at all and it is still the best by far
So you are saying all hunter who have been BM-mains for YEARS should have to abandon the spec to enjoy content like eveybody else and leave the spec to be some kind of low status noob-spec?
@@setha7398 that is the most stupid arguement ever BM isn't even the easiest spec in the game, fury warrior is easier , MM has a much easier rotation, its literally aimed shot, rf and multishot, bm if you don't manage your barbed shot stacks they will drop off so easy compared to before and you will lose a shit tonne of damage
Survival gamers rise up 💪
I really miss surv being ranged… I’d still play it if wasn’t for tip of the spear. Just not a fun mechanic to play around. To me, it just feels like a worse arms warrior. If it was just the bomber play style, that at least has more call back to old ranged surv.
Exactly....its like we got the reject warrior, dk, dh, monk, druids, shaman, paladin & rogues....there's no reason for SV to be melee
Amen! I LOVED LOVED LOVED playing ranged survival. Back when mythic raiding gear mattered, I could go out and jump on multiple max level horde in world pvp and wipe them out as ranged surv hunter! I would literally fly around Northrend spamming for peeps getting ganked, fly down in the middle of them, wreck ‘em and graveyard camp them. Ahhh, the good ole days!
Hunters used spears for hundreds of thousands of years, bows for tens of thousands of years, and guns for 400-500 years. Melee Hunter is perhaps the most common spec in all of human history…. all that time and yet 2024 is
THE YEAR OF THE SPEAR
TL;DR: Survival (the abomination spec) is king, BM is mediocre, and MM should be avoided.
you watched another video i guess? :D :D
Love how the button that defined SV since the melee rework is now never taken in any build. Super fun and interactive...
Are you trying to claim that "hit only Mongoose Bite" was an interactive spec? There's way more play between different abilities now than there was in any iteration of the Mongoose Bite single target builds.
@@Evilmon2 What I am saying is that MB was a staple of the spec and now you don't ever play it. Managing to fit as many Bites in a window was dynamic and interesting idea (not always executed in way that fit that idea admittedly). This new SV cares more about its generator than its spender... Not exactly fun design imo. What I would have liked to see is put more emphasis on Bite in aoe and less on bomb spam. KC extending the duration of Mongoose Fury is also not good, makes the window feel meaningless.
blizzard should hire you.
SUV giga fun spec
first
so basically survival needs to be nerfed.
lol
@@georgeb1298 or rather MM and BM need to be upgraded. And more importantly, whoever is in charge of hunter tuning at Bliz should be fired. should
Survival is right where it needs to be, it's the other specs that need to be brought up. Playing a ranged hunter feels so ass right now. Sure ill be an aoe king in m+ as MM but it feels shitty to basically be doing tank damage on bosses.
Survival never gets to be the strongest hunter spec. You weirdos can deal with it for one patch. Just cuz your sit and do nothing 2 button BM spec isnt good doesn't mean surv should be nerfed.
@@setha7398 survival was giga op in shadowlands
Interpreting the data to suit your perspective seems weird. Like changing all the sims yourself to adjust for things you have have decided are bugs and expect to be changed doesn't give any sort of honest representation of the numbers in game right now. It really feels like you want survival to be the best, and your data interpretation is leaning that way. But then again, i'm not without bias myself sooooo...
@@gloomshadeo You've misunderstood. I have made no assumptions about bugs I assume will be fixed. These sims are trying to model what's ingame as closely as possible.
Except if you look at all logs and sites...SV is the best right now. So being condescending to Azortharion for no reason is childish.
Ah so the custom sims were to represent the way it is currently interacting, i did misunderstand that, my bad sorry.@@Azortharion
200K DIFFERENCE YAWN SHOUL;D JUST BUFF ALL CLASSES SOO DUMB