"When Doves Cry" came out when I was 12. I had already heard "Uptown" on the radio in 1980, & thought it was funky & sounded different. I was 8 then. Bought my 1st Prince albums when "1999" came out when I was 10, after winnin $100.00 at school. I bought the "1999" & "Controversy" LPs the same day. Once I heard "When Doves Cry", I couldn't believe my ears, & once I saw the video, it was over!! I was like "this cat took it to a whole other level." At 12 years old all this was hard to xplain & take in. Prince did seem like he was from anotha planet durin that time, & many times b4 & after.. Bruh was killin it!
I understand. I was even younger when Purple Rain came out and I remember listening for the first time on TV and then I bought a compilation album that had it and it was the only song that sounded different from the others in the compilation. A cousin of mine had the album and it blew my mind.
the LINN Drum is supposed to come out this year from Behringer... looking forward to it. Apparently they bought the Tears for Fears Linn Drum, and are making it to spec.
@@Great-Documentariesabsolutely we do. Fukk using software instruments sitting in front of a computer. We already spend enough of our lives in front of those stupid things.
Nice footage & infos! I knew the story behind it but don't even know if I've an own "special" one since "Let's Go Crazy" and "I Would Die 4 U" had suited me way more. Because of the chords & melodies, I admittedly felt ",When Doves Cry" too US mainstream (though it's muted tracks): Not only Prince's lyrics, but also his music has obviously been more for adults than for an 11 years old boy like me back then - still idolzing Prince. Things looked different when I got 16, when starting too analyze the entire song to replay anything, including the synth solos, that with plenty of practice worked amazingly well. Back then I've just had a Kawai K 1 II, no Oberheim & no string machine (the total opposite to now). However, necessity is the mother of invention & all the comparably simple sounds worked unexpectedly well (with some effort). I still play the chords & leads (from the album version) to this day blindfolded because anything learned during formative phases one apparently never forgets.
Hey Gerald, that’s awesome that you made it work with the Kawai K1 II! I can totally relate-when I was 15, I had a Casio CT-680 (imagine that!). But even with limited gear, it gave me the chance to be creative and make the most of what I had. I chose this track because I found its simplicity fascinating-it’s so effective, even without a bassline. Recreating tracks like this is always an amazing workshop for diving into the minds of the artists who created the music we still admire today
Hey! Thank you for your thoughtful feedback! I listened to the track several times and recreated it based on what I heard, but I may have missed some details-thanks for pointing that out. I’ll review the section you mentioned, including the kick, and update the stems accordingly. Recreating this track was a really fun and challenging process, and I aimed to capture it as accurately as possible. For this snippet, I focused on the part without the hi-hat. I truly appreciate you watching and sharing your insights-thanks again and long live Prince!
Great that you showed how to play the other sounds. Have you ever done Pet Shop Boys " what have i done " ? That beat pretty full with percs. Also like Kate bush " running up te hill "
@@ipainthouses3084 I have done West End Girls but it will be nice to work on 'What Have I Done' and I am.actually working on the Kate Bush 'Running Up That Hill'
@NostalgicExplorer Nice , ill have to look that 1 up. Yeah , that what have i done has a lot going on in the drums i believe , with percs. It sounds like a construction site 🤣
Yeah, it is an approximate recreation, After I listened to it several times and read the comments from this amazing community I noticed that I might have missed some parts. I will do an updated version soon. It was fun to work on this though. Cheers and thank you so much for watching!
Recreating these songs really makes you appreciate the thought and effort that went into crafting such a unique sound. Sometimes they might even seem simple, but that’s the beauty of truly great production-it’s deceptively effortless.
The keyboard rhythm isn’t quite right. 1/4, 1/8 1/8, 1/4, 1/4 rest 1/8. 1/16, 1/8 rest 1/8, 1/4 Sort of tough to read written like this, but this is correct.
I've loved drumcomputers since the first time I heard them, maybe Herby Hancock's Rock It, or Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics. But I've always found Prince's use of drumcomputers poor, clumsy, grating and ugly. But it's a matter of taste, I guess.
Personally I like it and you can instantly recognize it as a Prince song by listening to the drum computer, but if you don't like it, you don't like it. As you said it is a matter of taste. Cheers!
Ridiculous comment. I’m grateful for the time and effort he put into this. Being an obsessed LM1 owner myself I recognize the love. To me his voice has character & sincerity and he probably speaks several languages more eloquently than a wonder bread keyboard warrior ever could.
Thanks for the feedback! I create these videos as a way to learn from masters like Prince. There is always so much room for growth, and I always thought that if you don't experience it yourself, you won't truly learn. My intention with these videos is to share my love for music and my passion for synths and drum machines.
There's BASS in When Doves Cry. But it's not conventional bass, but there is BASS! I've been saying this for years but no one listens! You put in the bass also! However, the Tom Toms you added are slightly incorrect... listen to the Purple RainTour WDC live version, it's that simple. Bass! Owwahh!
Hey! Thanks for watching. Even the engineer mentioned that Prince decided to remove the bassline. However, there is still a bass-like sound, which actually comes from the toms on the LM-1. He tuned the sounds down significantly, giving them that bassy quality.
@ apparently, the original version was more elaborate but we may not ever know what it was like unless there’s a tape in his vault or track was taken in sort of the heist of sorts that happened several years ago. Allegedly. The things to keep in mind about this baseline thing in when doves cry; the first being that what engineers share may be the truth, but we are not entirely sure. I say that because Prince himself had a problem with one of the engineers of that time, if not both. he said something that he knows his music more than the sound engineer. Second, Prince himself again, says, that the kick drum can be the bassline. The kick is one element of bass in this song. The other are the tom-toms. When Prince describe what could be bass just as valid as an actual bass, that’s when it clicked for me that there is in fact, a baseline in when doves cry. I wouldn’t even describe it, and I’m sorry to be a opinionated about this and a little bit tenacious, but I wouldn’t refer to it as a bass-like sound. It is the baseline. And I’m referring to Prince as the source for these somewhat clarifications. Anyway, I enjoy your channel, so good to see another Linn drum video. It’s truly a wonderful instrument and Prince did marvelous work with it!
@@Modernaire Hey! I really appreciate your comment because, in the end, this video was based on what others have shared. As you mentioned, it’s their perspective and part of their story, but it doesn’t necessarily represent the absolute truth. I’m grateful for you sharing your thoughts and helping me learn even more about the story behind this track. And yes, I absolutely love both the Linn LM-1 and the Linndrum-they’re my favorite machines in my collection!
@@Great-Documentaries The basslline the Linn LM-1 computer. I thought I said that specifically. And I pointed out, and this is true and researchable, that PRINCE himself said that a kick can be the bassline. Well, he added the tom toms, which act as part of bass IN When Doves Cy. Listen carefully. If you cut the kick and suble but significant toms toms out, you get NO bass. So therefore, WDC has no 'traditional' bassline, or bass, it does have it, again, in the form of drum machine low pitch drum sounds. Prince challenged you think a little different and come out of the norm, or accepted, what music snobs dictate, and so on. I'll keep pointing out there is bass in WDC cry until I'm purple! It's up to you if you don't, or care to, it's all good. It's after all, ART. Just to edit this and add this at the end here as I go through my workday as a prince fan of not what 40 years, I studied his sound what he does as best as I can, his songs, his music production methods as best as I can, I research a lot I even own one of these drama machines And I got a list many other songs where he completely removes the baseline. I’m not gonna late them out for you or list them because I think it’s up to you as a consumer of this wonderful art that Prince made to listen carefully and keep in mind like he suggested on Paisley Park song. There was a reason that each one of these songs where he uses no traditional baseline, but he uses other elements to create a baseline, especially the drum machine, I’ve done so for a specific reason which I’ll let you discover. It should be fun! Because it’s more of an excuse to listen to Prince and listen to him and a different angle, a little, possibly a little more in depth. In joy!
Like your work and thanks for the stems. Much appreciated.
Thank you so much and enjoy the stems! 🙂
"When Doves Cry" came out when I was 12.
I had already heard "Uptown" on the radio in 1980, & thought it was funky & sounded different. I was 8 then.
Bought my 1st Prince albums when "1999" came out when I was 10, after winnin $100.00 at school. I bought the "1999" & "Controversy" LPs the same day.
Once I heard "When Doves Cry", I couldn't believe my ears, & once I saw the video, it was over!!
I was like "this cat took it to a whole other level."
At 12 years old all this was hard to xplain & take in.
Prince did seem like he was from anotha planet durin that time, & many times b4 & after..
Bruh was killin it!
I understand. I was even younger when Purple Rain came out and I remember listening for the first time on TV and then I bought a compilation album that had it and it was the only song that sounded different from the others in the compilation. A cousin of mine had the album and it blew my mind.
the LINN Drum is supposed to come out this year from Behringer... looking forward to it. Apparently they bought the Tears for Fears Linn Drum, and are making it to spec.
Virtual instruments for the LINN have existed for a long time now. We don't need Behringer to make a cheap Chinese copy.
@@Great-DocumentariesYes we do!
@@Great-Documentariesabsolutely we do. Fukk using software instruments sitting in front of a computer. We already spend enough of our lives in front of those stupid things.
Wow! always loved that iconic Linn drum sound :)
One of my favorite sounds. Cheers!
Nice footage & infos! I knew the story behind it but don't even know if I've an own "special" one since "Let's Go Crazy" and "I Would Die 4 U" had suited me way more. Because of the chords & melodies, I admittedly felt ",When Doves Cry" too US mainstream (though it's muted tracks): Not only Prince's lyrics, but also his music has obviously been more for adults than for an 11 years old boy like me back then - still idolzing Prince.
Things looked different when I got 16, when starting too analyze the entire song to replay anything, including the synth solos, that with plenty of practice worked amazingly well. Back then I've just had a Kawai K 1 II, no Oberheim & no string machine (the total opposite to now). However, necessity is the mother of invention & all the comparably simple sounds worked unexpectedly well (with some effort). I still play the chords & leads (from the album version) to this day blindfolded because anything learned during formative phases one apparently never forgets.
Hey Gerald, that’s awesome that you made it work with the Kawai K1 II! I can totally relate-when I was 15, I had a Casio CT-680 (imagine that!). But even with limited gear, it gave me the chance to be creative and make the most of what I had. I chose this track because I found its simplicity fascinating-it’s so effective, even without a bassline. Recreating tracks like this is always an amazing workshop for diving into the minds of the artists who created the music we still admire today
Nicely done. This song was an instant classic but the LM-1 undergirded the entire track.
Thanks for.waching and absolutely. It seems that he wanted to.showcase the nice sound of this machine in this track.
How that Hits are Made
No question the Prince is the instrument used to record the song
Wowwww ! saludos desde Mexiso
Saludos!!!
People think it’s just the drum machine. They forget the reverbs and effects. The strings have chorus effects added and some phaser there
Indeed and that's what made these songs unique. Thanks for watching!
I when I hear that I when and bought me a dr/boss drum machine/ thanks prince/ Jamie parks studio 🎉🎉
Awesome video BRo ☺♥♪
Thanks for watching! 💜
Fabulous!
Thanks for watching
This is soooo cool
Thanks for watching!
The Tom pattern is not quite right. Where’s the hi hat? And the Kick should have delay on it.
Hey! Thank you for your thoughtful feedback! I listened to the track several times and recreated it based on what I heard, but I may have missed some details-thanks for pointing that out. I’ll review the section you mentioned, including the kick, and update the stems accordingly. Recreating this track was a really fun and challenging process, and I aimed to capture it as accurately as possible. For this snippet, I focused on the part without the hi-hat. I truly appreciate you watching and sharing your insights-thanks again and long live Prince!
You tell him!
@@stefanod8360
Weren’t the hi-hats performed live in the studio though? They sure don’t sound programmed!
Great that you showed how to play the other sounds. Have you ever done
Pet Shop Boys " what have i done " ? That beat pretty full with percs.
Also like Kate bush " running up te hill "
@@ipainthouses3084 I have done West End Girls but it will be nice to work on 'What Have I Done' and I am.actually working on the Kate Bush 'Running Up That Hill'
@NostalgicExplorer Nice , ill have to look that 1 up. Yeah , that what have i done has a lot going on in the drums i believe , with percs. It sounds like a construction site 🤣
@ipainthouses3084 😂
Nice !!!
Super Juno and Linn together*
A powerful combo!
You need two more rim shots on 2 and the and-of-2 in the second measure.
Yeah, it is an approximate recreation, After I listened to it several times and read the comments from this amazing community I noticed that I might have missed some parts. I will do an updated version soon. It was fun to work on this though. Cheers and thank you so much for watching!
@@NostalgicExplorer I have recreated this in Ableton and your video showed me a ton of stuff I missed. Drooling over that LM-1!!
@@torque91 Thanks and that LM-1 is one of my favorite machines in my collection. Cheers!
You're missing some beats there on the drum machine
The Linn is no question the insturment he used.
Close to the original. Although I think Prince used a gated reverb on the Linn Lm-1 to get it to sound more jumpier.
Recreating these songs really makes you appreciate the thought and effort that went into crafting such a unique sound. Sometimes they might even seem simple, but that’s the beauty of truly great production-it’s deceptively effortless.
You didn't quite get the drum programming right. Close, but no.
Also, don't you have a DX-7?
U have a tascam 4 track
I need to borrow it
My friend died….. I want to put his music to cds and give to his sister
Sorry for your loss. If you are in NY be my guest. I will be more than happy to help. Let's chat.
🌴🇬🇺WHAAA only1600 subs😳u will blowing up fast🏝️super interesting n informative 🏝️
@@alsimons7925 Thanks for nice words. I enjoy making these videos a lot. Cheers!
Video starts @ 03:05 btw this is not accurate
Thanks for watching!
I love "Po-Po Rain" and "When Ducks Cry" too.
😂😂
Cymbal crash?
Oh these Keys are wrong
something is missing 😂
😂 Of course, Prince is missing.
The keyboard rhythm isn’t quite right.
1/4, 1/8 1/8, 1/4, 1/4 rest
1/8. 1/16, 1/8 rest 1/8, 1/4
Sort of tough to read written like this, but this is correct.
I've loved drumcomputers since the first time I heard them, maybe Herby Hancock's Rock It, or Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics.
But I've always found Prince's use of drumcomputers poor, clumsy, grating and ugly. But it's a matter of taste, I guess.
Personally I like it and you can instantly recognize it as a Prince song by listening to the drum computer, but if you don't like it, you don't like it. As you said it is a matter of taste. Cheers!
could you do rick james
Great suggestion! I will put a pin on your request.
Where did you get the LM-1?
I got it on Reverb around 7 years ago.
It was expensive
@@oholm09 it was
That wasn’t it
@@CannedFunkMusic thanks for watching 🙏🏽
That sh!t sounds like some cheesy as cover tune version
can not listen to this guys broken english accent. torture!
Ridiculous comment. I’m grateful for the time and effort he put into this. Being an obsessed LM1 owner myself I recognize the love. To me his voice has character & sincerity and he probably speaks several languages more eloquently than a wonder bread keyboard warrior ever could.
Dont make such videos if you cant nail it. Sorry
Thanks for the feedback! I create these videos as a way to learn from masters like Prince. There is always so much room for growth, and I always thought that if you don't experience it yourself, you won't truly learn. My intention with these videos is to share my love for music and my passion for synths and drum machines.
@@NostalgicExplorer well said
THAT. WAS. POORLY
REPRODUCED
There's BASS in When Doves Cry. But it's not conventional bass, but there is BASS! I've been saying this for years but no one listens! You put in the bass also! However, the Tom Toms you added are slightly incorrect... listen to the Purple RainTour WDC live version, it's that simple. Bass! Owwahh!
Hey! Thanks for watching. Even the engineer mentioned that Prince decided to remove the bassline. However, there is still a bass-like sound, which actually comes from the toms on the LM-1. He tuned the sounds down significantly, giving them that bassy quality.
@ apparently, the original version was more elaborate but we may not ever know what it was like unless there’s a tape in his vault or track was taken in sort of the heist of sorts that happened several years ago. Allegedly.
The things to keep in mind about this baseline thing in when doves cry; the first being that what engineers share may be the truth, but we are not entirely sure.
I say that because Prince himself had a problem with one of the engineers of that time, if not both. he said something that he knows his music more than the sound engineer. Second, Prince himself again, says, that the kick drum can be the bassline.
The kick is one element of bass in this song. The other are the tom-toms. When Prince describe what could be bass just as valid as an actual bass, that’s when it clicked for me that there is in fact, a baseline in when doves cry.
I wouldn’t even describe it, and I’m sorry to be a opinionated about this and a little bit tenacious, but I wouldn’t refer to it as a bass-like sound. It is the baseline. And I’m referring to Prince as the source for these somewhat clarifications.
Anyway, I enjoy your channel, so good to see another Linn drum video. It’s truly a wonderful instrument and Prince did marvelous work with it!
@@Modernaire Hey! I really appreciate your comment because, in the end, this video was based on what others have shared. As you mentioned, it’s their perspective and part of their story, but it doesn’t necessarily represent the absolute truth. I’m grateful for you sharing your thoughts and helping me learn even more about the story behind this track. And yes, I absolutely love both the Linn LM-1 and the Linndrum-they’re my favorite machines in my collection!
There's no bass (synth or guitar) in When Doves Cry whatsoever. You can say it all you want, but it was removed from the final mix.
@@Great-Documentaries The basslline the Linn LM-1 computer. I thought I said that specifically. And I pointed out, and this is true and researchable, that PRINCE himself said that a kick can be the bassline.
Well, he added the tom toms, which act as part of bass IN When Doves Cy. Listen carefully. If you cut the kick and suble but significant toms toms out, you get NO bass.
So therefore, WDC has no 'traditional' bassline, or bass, it does have it, again, in the form of drum machine low pitch drum sounds.
Prince challenged you think a little different and come out of the norm, or accepted, what music snobs dictate, and so on. I'll keep pointing out there is bass in WDC cry until I'm purple!
It's up to you if you don't, or care to, it's all good. It's after all, ART.
Just to edit this and add this at the end here as I go through my workday as a prince fan of not what 40 years, I studied his sound what he does as best as I can, his songs, his music production methods as best as I can, I research a lot I even own one of these drama machines And I got a list many other songs where he completely removes the baseline. I’m not gonna late them out for you or list them because I think it’s up to you as a consumer of this wonderful art that Prince made to listen carefully and keep in mind like he suggested on Paisley Park song. There was a reason that each one of these songs where he uses no traditional baseline, but he uses other elements to create a baseline, especially the drum machine, I’ve done so for a specific reason which I’ll let you discover. It should be fun! Because it’s more of an excuse to listen to Prince and listen to him and a different angle, a little, possibly a little more in depth. In joy!