@belly tripper The rebar breaks on the bottom side of the concrete above the garage is spalling. The water intrusion that caused the oxidation (which puffs up the rebar and spalls the concrete) came from _above_, and they need to not patch the ceiling, but strip and repair the deck above (patio?), then re-waterproof it.
@@mmeiselph7234 Belly Tripper is a moron. Likely a paid troll as well. Nice description, though.🙄 I worry Floriduh gonna try and claim federal emergency monies to get us all to pay for their crappy seaside overpriced building repairs...
@belly tripper . Nope .. Google it , it’s a real word .... I watched a video where they were explaining and showing damage in the area where the equipment for the pool of this apartment building was located . They showed where the rebar and concrete was bad .. and they said it was “ spalling “ ….
I had 17 years as a high-end construction superintendent. The video of the spalling concrete revealing the reinforcing bars was CLEAR EVIDENCE of a faulty building. There should have been in the range of 3" of concrete covering the bars. They are in tension being stretched by the weight against the extreme compressive strength of the concrete. If the deformations in the bars cannot constantly grip the surrounding concrete, they cannot 'share' the load. The failure to elevate the rebar grid on the elevated pour is a rookie error. Who knows what other shortcuts the whack job contractor buried in 'mud.'
Been in the business for 41 years, 30 of them as a commercial const super, and i can honestly say that the most coverage I've ever seen spec'd was 2 inch on a hospital which used 3 foot deep pan slabs in the atrium area. Light structures like this might only require 1 to 1 1/2 inch chairs. Not saying they don't spec higher coverage, just that i have never encountered it personally. Also, as a super, i am sure you are aware that the engineer must come and inspect the slab before it gets poured, including chair heights, types and all rebar coverage and ties. You don't get to pour until that guy says it is ok, and making sure of adequate chairing is part of that ok.
You're telling me this 15 year old building is falling apart this badly? Something is so wrong with that. And now owners are having to shell out thousands because maintenence wasn't done.. crazy to me
Steel and unsealed concrete “ add some salt water wind and heat boom rust exploding off the rebar breaking fist sized chunks of concrete off lol pretty easy to understand
Not surprising considering how quickly they throw these up.. a lot of places recently built start falling apart fast because they just don't put any craftsmanship into the work anymore.. Everything is about money so they will Cut corners, work fast, look the other way when convenient and quickly move on to the next project....
This is another of thousands of South Florida properties that require major repairs. Soon the insurance companies will be insisting on timely repairs and raising premiums.
Demolish them all and start from scratch. Most of those condos were cocaine houses for the drug lords to launder their money through. Everyone's forgetting the Panama Papers and how Miami real estate was the biggest culprit to drug lords and their dirty money. People really think the companies they worked with were reputable as well? Sike.
Paul Skopic Never fear! The insurance companies will sue and the present judges of the Supreme Court of the United Stares with the majority votes will rule against the condo owners, if today's rulings are an example the way the SCOTUS is ruling, Wait and see!
Ive been feeling the same way im glad my condo is on the first floor and im in a beach town on the east coast and its only 2 story ,im betting the condoo market for high rises plummets
An engineer said that most oceanside buildings have concrete rehabilitation done every 10 to 15 years because of the salt water. This is affordable. If they wait until the 40 year recertification, it will end up costing 15 million or more and might fall on the homeowners heads. I bet the homeowners didn't fight the assessment like the collapsed condo homeowners did.
Another of the many reasons I would NEVER want a condo. I thought they were awful BEFORE the collapse. Special Assessments and HOA fees are non-negotiable.
Plus if you have renters who don't obey so called CONDO or townhouse rules...your complaints are just empty words. Owners rent out their properties and BINGO! trashed properties, unpaid rents and illegal drugs.
I think the whole condo model may be a bad idea. Owners can usually afford just the upkeep on their unit, not the special assessments. Then they argue over whether or not repairs should be done or put off. Then they choose the cheapest construction company. It's a recipe for disaster.
@@michaelciccone2194 I am currently renting out a Condo, but I concur with this. I had to call management because folks were not complying by the rules and they basically said their hands were tied. I'm moving out and I'm sooooo glad. It's not just renters either, owners think they are in a SFH and can do whatever they want as well.
@@moreanita8 I am sure you have patient during this ordeal. It is terrible when grown adults cannot follow rules laid out in these homeowner and condo books. Here in Staten Island, it's the owners that get penalized...evictions of renters take a very long time. I have had some pretty nasty neighbors here.
These properties are going to become worthless given the significant amount of repairs needed and the rise of hoa fees from special assessments. Its going to make sales difficult. Good luck.
When is Miami going to face the elephant in the room? It's no longer viable to build on porous limestone and have sea level rise rotting buildings from the bottom up. All your new sea walls and pumps don't stop what's happening underneath.
Definitely. But I’d they call sell condos or land for millions, that’s all they care about. Let’s hope this will open everyone’s eyes that we cannot build so close to the ocean
the buildings are set on pilings , not a limestone bed . there was probably nothing wrong with the building ....you still have maintain them and the building code has very specific requirements for the fixes , but again , you still have to fix them when deficiencies are detected
Cheapening of materials during construction to save bucks is more like it. Building specs demand certain p.s.i. strength of concrete to pass code and architectural review boards. Whether or not the actual materials are laid to those specs are another matter.
you are not just "covering it by concrete", the procedure has several steps, a chemical agent to stop the rust, a brown paste (don't know how that is called) to protect the rebars, and then special concrete. I know this from personal experience :-(
@@petero2693 you obviously dig out the concrete around the exposed rebars to see how far the damage has gone, if it's too much...than it's unfixable.,did I need to point this out? no.
Yeah it needs full remediation not patch work. You gotta take the concrete back to where the rebar is not corroded, repair the rebar and use anti rust agents, then redo the concrete.
They'll all be patching it up, slapping some paint on it and selling the apartments to people who don't know any better (the engineers can't report on what they can't see). Prepare to see a lot more of this in the coming years.
@@konineteen651 you talking about the infrastructure bill full of non construction items like fleets of electric buses? Too many non essential items for me to list them.
@@lr7633 electric vehicles are a necessary part of the future. There will need to be many, many more charging stations built across the country and the initial outlay and maintenance of most of these falls into the category of infrastructure !
@@konineteen651 It's both sides that do it. Granted, Florida republicans need to make sure we don't inspect buildings every 40 years.... Blasphemy that this is happening at all without significant outrage from the public.
Lesson to all......do our homework before buying any property. Get an opinion from a building Inspector who was NOT recommended by the HOA, nor the realtor.
Also, check out the condo’s required reserve funds for anticipated repairs including recertification and the inevitable insurance increases and increased management fees. I seriously doubt your average condominium even in an upscale area would have enough money to cover it all.
Did you see the fixes they did at Champlain? The contractor left the injection ports in the concrete slab he was attempting to fix. The attempted repairs only further damaged the slab. It's clear the bar is way too low for contractors in this area.
Exactly, correct..an old contractor told me a long time ago to never second guess him on the amount of materials he needs especially the size steel and amount of cement because we cannot prop up a concrete building.. I have proven him right on many occasions…. These failing structures need to be demolished immediately before others get hurt..
I live in a apartment building from 1920 its good i gues i dont see cracks or anything but ive been nervous for these past few days im sure ill be better soon
I tried living in South Florida. I only lasted 1 year. I knew I didn’t belong there when I walked into my office one morning and noticed a large dark hole in the wall, and then it started to move. I backed out the door and had to find someone who had to actually pick up the hand sized bug to take it outside. But the straw that was the final breaking point is when the dew point was 73 degrees. I knew it was wrong, it was never dry.
I have noticed a lot of buildings in Florida and ones being built all across the country are just concrete and rebar, there don’t seem to be as many being built with steel columns and beams. Where I live they were always built with columns and beams and I was a union man working out of the hall and the B.A.’s phone so I worked in many. I was a laborer we are first on the site and the last to leave.
Wow I didn't notice that until you pointed it out about just concrete and rebar buildings. I would think at least a minimum of steel columns was to be expected for longevity, but the condo tragedy had none that I could remember seeing?
There are steel beams in my 2 floor apartment building here in Wisconsin. It was built in the early 70s and I can see the beams in the basement. One would think on those tall buildings they would use steel beams! Weren't all those tall skyscrapers in NYC built with steel beams? You don't see those falling and they are much older than 40 years!
In places like SoFla reinforced concrete has been the standard for the beams and columns for any building anything less than true skyscraper height for most of the 20th and early 21st centuries. At least in Florida part of their thought is about hurricanes. These days in some parts of the country, I've seen buildings up to like 7 floors built of virtually all timber frame, any major concrete or steel just at the base. That doesn't make me feel great either.
@@sarahb.6475 , Yes, most Chicago and NYC tall buildings are framed in structural steel, and we have almost no such problems with our tall buildings in Chicago, which run much taller than those in the Miami area. And the few buildings that have a hint of the kind of problems that these Miami buildings have, were built in the 70s with steel-reinforced concrete. When pressed, architects and engineers will admit that steel-reinforced concrete is inferior to structural steel in most ways. We have NEVER had the kind of problems with our finest high-rises, which are the ones built 1910-1940. These are also the most beautiful and comfortable buildings.
@@dianedenham5259 I don’t think ever. Having to depend on someone else to keep you safe in your home sounds dangerous. I’d rather rent and move when I want if not in a house. HOA associations are a nightmare too.
@@louchat333 My family has an HOA and we don't live in a condo. HOA is good if they are actually doing their job. And also, not dependent on those that chose to be bratty and not participate or complain about it!
I never could understand wanting to own a piece of an apartment. All the disadvantages of apartment living, tied into the disadvantages of owning a home. But at least if you own your home, you can pull a permit and do the work yourself. A condo doesn't give you that option.
@@michaelcrossley5661 Really. I grew up in REAL houses made of WOOD! At least in a rental apartment you just pay the rent and the building owner should look after the upkeep. Of course a place like those concrete highrises would not be cheap to live in. They are hardly "affordable" housing...
NOTE TO SELF: Do not purchase condos in Florida...can you imagine purchasing a condo then receiving a letter...we need renovations...please pony up $750,000 or we will let your castle fall down around you and your friends...ummm, we were wrong....you need to pony up three times that. Home ownership is looking good again... you know, where you get to keep your feet on the ground.
@@essence7423 It's going to start happening regularly as all this rotting infrastructure starts failing. Don't worry...you guys will normalize it and it will hardly be a talking point unless someone famous dies, you know exactly like what (America) has done with mass shootings these days.
Even if that building is from 2006, Miami is all humidity and moisture. That's why those buildings rot so fast. I'd never buy a condo in the south. Nooooo way.
From what I understand, if the metal rebar isn't coated and sealed with some kind of membrane before the concrete is poured, it is susceptible to corrosion in salty air conditions. Believe it or not, concrete is quite porous and that sea air will attack the rebar inside the concrete unless sealed.
Here in Singapore, we have numerous high-rise properties which are also near coastal shores and bays. Yet we do not have this crisis. Suggest your property firms reevaluate their building materials and worker skills.
@@TannerEskew Miami builds tall buildings very close to the sea water which isn’t bright. Sea salt water damages foundations rebar. Miami just needs to acting like it’s NYC, Chicago, Toronto.
It really depends on how it's built, buddy, and also the soil conditions. If you are using driven piling as a method of shoring, then absolutely you can cause damage.
That doesn’t cause a building to collapse though. The fundamental issue is still water and time. Driving piles may crack the concrete if proper calculations and engineering work isn’t done (or done poorly) but if it’s patched relatively quickly (6 months to one year) and properly it’s not a huge problem. With Surfside, the root cause is still fundamentally a maintenance problem along with a very probable water issue. Granted witness reports at such time must be taken with a grain of salt, but the most likely point of failure ATM is in a location with know water intrusion as well as standing water issues. Salt water and time mixed with poor initial construction and engineering is what causes collapses. TLDR: Construction nearby on its own could possibly cause problems but it doesn’t cause half the damage that time without maintenance along with salt water (or even just water) causes on their own. It’s water and time that are the real problem.
In my condo it’s always a fight to get anything repaired because the board complains of lack of money but they always have plenty of money for their pet projects beautifying the buildings.
It sounds like u need to be up for a war as long as u live there. And I’m sorry about that:( Maybe this will change their attitudes and then laws will change their actions
As a condo owner and Board member myself, there is nothing I find so frustrating as dealing with other Board members who are always ready to spend money beyond necessity on landscaping and freshening up common areas, but who dive under their beds in terror when confronted with the major repair and replace of old systems that will take big money, and who don't want to have to tell the general ownership that the HOA has to be raised or a special assessment will be necessary.
Sounds like you're better off renting my small apartment or purchasing your own House. Never understood why people go for mobile homes or condos. You never stop paying. Might as well rent an apartment and the owner is required to cover all costs of damages.
Benjamin Franklin famously advised fire-threatened Philadelphians in 1736 that “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” When we say that prevention is better than cure, it essentially means that it is better to stop something before it happens instead of having to repair it or deal with its consequences after it has already been done. That proverb was applied and practiced in 1736 and it is still relevant today.
But taken to its logical conclusion, it would be better if buildings were built properly in the first place, not needing major structural repairs after only 15 years, or even after 40. The are buildings in the UK that are still not only standing but habitable/ usable after 500-800 years, everything from castles and churches to farm houses and cottages - I used to work for a manager who lived in a house that was over 500 years old.There are pubs in London that are still in use today that were built after the Great Fire of London, and so are 350 years old. And there is a bar, restaurant, and hotel building in Gloucester, UK that is so old that its date of construction isn't known precisely - it is around 1450, and you can still buy a drink, eat a meal, or stay overnight despite it now being about 570 years old. Ironically it is called the New Inn! :)
faulty construction. look at the flashings on the decks. in my experience of over 40 years- builders of large construction projects don't seem to understand the importance of proper under /over flashing!
And that's why u don't buy condos!! Even if you have the $ and willingness to fix... Other residents probably don't and the fees you paid were probably mostly wasted
In multi unit dwellings the city collects a boat load of extra property tax when compared to the space occupied by detached homes. This money should be used for regular inspections to ensure structural integrity is maintained on these buildings.
A large section of the population doesn't take care of their living space. There's people who will let water damage and mold grow in their living space for no logical reason. Unfortunately that's something these condo owners probably have to face every 5 to 10 years no matter what.
@@covidisevent201 maintenance fees are collected to provide preventive maintenance for the building and if they used those fees over time properly this would never happen I think the build was 40 yrs old
@@darius318 i understand that. But what happened looked like an implosion idk if maintenance fees would of helped this. Ive never seen a building collapse like this ive watch 9/11 happen. Ive been in construction for 20 plus years plus. This was really unreal the way it collapsed. This whole thing doesn't make sense.
For what a disaster noone could predict. It happens if you cannot see in your walls. Who knows whats going on im a construction worker. Usually its old construction without the regulations we have today that have major problems. Its age not the foundation. In in florida yes you get settling for sure. These high rises are not safe.
Two things. It is plainly visible that there is insufficient concrete cover over the re-bar. This happens when the re-bar cages are not made correctly and the forms are not made larger to accommodate the errors. A number of cores should be cut and the percentage void content of the concrete should be calculated to determine infiltration of water and corroding chemicals!
Every building needs to be checked being so close to water.! Don’t understand how a state with hurricanes allows buildings to be checks every 40 years!
When you buy a million dollar home in a "development" and a 12 year old can punch through the walls, you know you've been had. And they're ALL like that.
I have NO BACKGROUND in construction, but I can tell you what the problems are in Southern Florida high-rise condo developments. Concrete reinforced construction was not intended for saltwater beachfront highrise buildings. Those buildings are being eaten from the salt in the air and the periodically saturated salty soil in foundations. Just the wind alone has salt in it that covers the building exteriors then it rains and the concrete basically sucks the corrosive salts into the core where the rebar sits. I don't care how many times you repair it it will just continue its decaying ways. Even buildings that look like they are OK trust me they are not OK. Every one of those buildings that were built that way, are doomed it's just a matter of time. So you ask why these buildings were built this way instead of steel girder construction? The answer is simple because it's CHEAPER. Already they are evacuating another similarly constructed building down the street. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING look for Florida property values to implode and they will take people and banks with them. TheReaper!
One building fell. It happens, it can all be mitigated and accounted for in future construction, or retro-repair to existing structures. No need to panic. We build bigger and heavier structures smack in the middle of the ocean. The public is truly ruled by emotions. Ask yourself how many buildings are by the seaside and if the ocean has just gotten salty. We will soon all forget this happened.
It looks like to me, its up to the builder & his quality assurance. Dont skimp on anything. Have to figure in weather factors of moisture/salt & underground water levels building on sand. Bible says build on rock. Maybe a homey house 15-20 miles from beach, no? Can always visit the beach. May be best but its surely beautiful overlooking the ocean. Cant deny. I have a friend that was a steel worker foreman for the big union, laying beams in/on the best NY skyscrapers. Those buildings r there to stay,100s of years. Seems u get what u pay for.
0:55 looks like water got into the rebar.. happens when the rebars was too low when the cement was poured, or those rebars was rusting already when cement was poured over... IMO, this is a lost cause; you cannot prevent those rebars from rusting further. that ceiling WILL go down.
Connecticut just went through a similar concrete issue in single family homes. Crumbling foundations lead to years of trying to figure out who was to blame and who would fix it. Some went to their representatives others to their insurance companies. Cost to repair was in access of $100 000. One friend told me her mom had to leave her house for 3 months while foundation was redone.
Curious to see how mortgage companies are handling this. Some may put a temporary ban on lending for condos in the area=less demand=lower values=upside down home owners. Hopefully this is a unique situation. Referring to the surfside condo
I live in a complex (another state) built in the late 1960s. And I feel much safer than if I lived in the Miami River condo, built in 2006. I just think they don't build things like they used to.
The baby boomers moved into these things, never did any maintenance, and milked all the value out of them. You would have to be a fool to buy into one of these things. They are like negative value timeshares. I feel sorry for young people. They are inheriting a debt ridden, crumbling, 3rd world country.
@Nunya Biz congratulations you had NOTHING to do with the appreciate of your property , aside from paying it off. Indirectly met several pompous Boomers like yourself before I bought my house, most of you did the bear minimum, if that, to maintain the property.
Stop with your ageism. I'm sure you rightly have a problem with racism, colorish, classism, etc, but think being ageist is ok? Also, you know better than to stereotype, as you hate it being done to you and others (and it is!) but think it's okay to do it when it's your personal opinion? No. Wrong is wrong. And that way of thinking does nothing but further divide people. This is not a particular generation's fault for anything. It *is* the fault of greedy individuals or companies. But no entire generation is to blame for any individuals', developers' or corporations' mistakes is wrong.
you are so wet behind those young ears - momma just licked em for ya and you learned a little about how people live their busy lives. get your paranoia under control boy.
It seem like adding another layer of icing on a cake. What's that going to do to the soundness of the structure? The interior is failing. They should evacuate all similar buildings; age, size, builder, and inspector.
A friend who moved to Floriduh 5 years ago is regretting it. In California the only problem was minor repairs when earthquakes happened, usually a broken tv at most.
The reportage appears to make some distinction among “residents,” the “condo association,” and “management.” The residents (aka owners) and condo association are one and the same thing. As far as management is concerned, a condominium may be self-managed, or a commercial property management company may be engaged to do the operation and maintenance. The flaw in the structure of condos and coops is that the association must vote on the assessments to get this kind of work done, and many members are only interested in keeping their costs down, making assessments a hard sell.
@@Maranville From my experience (this our fifth year living in a condo), it appears that some people do not. Most people I know here owned a detached house at some point in their lives that they were solely responsible for, so I don’t get the attitude that the building is “somebody else’s” problem. As far as I’m concerned, their attitudes would be better suited to apartment living.
Our 12 year old wood frame 4 story condo building underwent major rainscreening repair due to a design flaw. $1.5 million paid out by the 40 owners. It can happen. Buyer beware.
I call bs that they don't know if the cause is due to it's location on the shoreline or shotty construction - duh. It's construction and proof is the fact every other building in that area isn't in the same condition. I'd never agree to a Special Assessment Meeting since I'd never live anywhere without documentation that they have done a Reserve Study, having access to read it, and then checking on the latter Reserve Account to ensure the BOD and HOA were in fact allocating the stipulated percentage to that fund MONTHLY. These repairs are not something you spring on homeowners. It devalues ALL property residents homes to the point noone will buy that unit or property.
From whom are the construction companies purchasing the rebar. I will go out on a limb and say its not made in the USA. The corrosion is present at the start of construction and will not stop especially in climatic conditions found in Florida and coastal areas.
This is the major reason I will NOT buy a condo! I saw the same thing in LA about 15 years ago. I insisted an inspection of the basement and infrastructure before I would even consider buying. You can't believe how rudely I was treated! I finally decided to NOT buy a condo. I now am retired and living in mid-Missouri in an antebellum house which was built in the mid-19th century. It is more secure than any condo I've seen.
The majority of rebar I've ever seen was already rusting long before its put into slabs....it may sit around a job site for weeks, sometimes months long before its ever put into slabs....ive always wondered if that rusting continues once inside the concrete. That's what looks like is happening at this building.
If you think the building codes are bad there, you should see what they build here in Canada. Company X gets the contract, takes a cut and outsources to company Y which does the same thing until some random subcontractor is actually building the place… inspectors still get paid so they sign off etc…..
A fifteen year old old building with that level of spalling? Yeah...that's bad.
@belly tripper The rebar breaks on the bottom side of the concrete above the garage is spalling. The water intrusion that caused the oxidation (which puffs up the rebar and spalls the concrete) came from _above_, and they need to not patch the ceiling, but strip and repair the deck above (patio?), then re-waterproof it.
Salt water can destroy anything in a year, 5-10 years saltwater can deteriorate metal till it’s nothing left
@@mmeiselph7234 Belly Tripper is a moron. Likely a paid troll as well. Nice description, though.🙄 I worry Floriduh gonna try and claim federal emergency monies to get us all to pay for their crappy seaside overpriced building repairs...
@belly tripper um no in webster's dictionary the word spall means to break (ore, dirt, rock) spalling is the act of the spall .. or aka the break lol
@belly tripper . Nope .. Google it , it’s a real word .... I watched a video where they were explaining and showing damage in the area where the equipment for the pool of this apartment building was located . They showed where the rebar and concrete was bad .. and they said it was “ spalling “ ….
I had 17 years as a high-end construction superintendent. The video of the spalling concrete revealing the reinforcing bars was CLEAR EVIDENCE of a faulty building. There should have been in the range of 3" of concrete covering the bars. They are in tension being stretched by the weight against the extreme compressive strength of the concrete. If the deformations in the bars cannot constantly grip the surrounding concrete, they cannot 'share' the load. The failure to elevate the rebar grid on the elevated pour is a rookie error. Who knows what other shortcuts the whack job contractor buried in 'mud.'
With this info the condo owners should sue the builder
@@kimkrebs7979 builder is long gone. Hes dead
Perry Sims....Can this building be fixed? Or should it be torn down?
Been in the business for 41 years, 30 of them as a commercial const super, and i can honestly say that the most coverage I've ever seen spec'd was 2 inch on a hospital which used 3 foot deep pan slabs in the atrium area. Light structures like this might only require 1 to 1 1/2 inch chairs. Not saying they don't spec higher coverage, just that i have never encountered it personally. Also, as a super, i am sure you are aware that the engineer must come and inspect the slab before it gets poured, including chair heights, types and all rebar coverage and ties. You don't get to pour until that guy says it is ok, and making sure of adequate chairing is part of that ok.
Your comment is very interesting! Thank you so much.
You're telling me this 15 year old building is falling apart this badly? Something is so wrong with that. And now owners are having to shell out thousands because maintenence wasn't done.. crazy to me
This is definitely a case of the lowest bidder winning.
Exactly. Now it is going to cost more because it wasn't done prior.
Steel and unsealed concrete “ add some salt water wind and heat boom rust exploding off the rebar breaking fist sized chunks of concrete off lol pretty easy to understand
Not surprising considering how quickly they throw these up.. a lot of places recently built start falling apart fast because they just don't put any craftsmanship into the work anymore..
Everything is about money so they will Cut corners, work fast, look the other way when convenient and quickly move on to the next project....
Guy from “Joisey” got ‘em a great deal on concrete!
This is another of thousands of South Florida properties that require major repairs. Soon the insurance companies will be insisting on timely repairs and raising premiums.
Demolish them all and start from scratch. Most of those condos were cocaine houses for the drug lords to launder their money through. Everyone's forgetting the Panama Papers and how Miami real estate was the biggest culprit to drug lords and their dirty money. People really think the companies they worked with were reputable as well?
Sike.
Paul Skopic
Never fear! The insurance companies will sue and the present judges of the Supreme Court of the United Stares with the majority votes will rule against the condo owners, if today's rulings are an example the way the SCOTUS is ruling, Wait and see!
@@SirEnzo371 Leftovers from Miami Vice!
I wouldn't buy a condo in Miami even at half price in 20 or 30 years they might be in the water!
@@vickyp7345 thank you!!! I saw a program about Miami is sinking into the ocean....they have flooding with the sun shining and not a cloud in the sky!
Mental note: Don't ever buy a condo in a high rise.
Yup.
Ive been feeling the same way im glad my condo is on the first floor and im in a beach town on the east coast and its only 2 story ,im betting the condoo market for high rises plummets
Note to yourself never buy any where their is and HOA. They will make your life a living nightmare.
No, don't live near the ocean in a high rise condo... The saltwater is the main factor in these cases.
@@plively3736 hoa are power controlled narcissist. Curtains and blinds have to look a certain way. No trash can out front. No bikes...no this no that
That building won't be around in 40 years if it looks that bad after 15.
The good news is it's not as tall as the Champlain. You'll only get a few pancake stacks, not a grand slam meal all you can eat.
So true.
It’s all going to be under water in 40 years anyway with sea level rise.
@@jonathanhansen3709 Lower levels of most of the buildings in Southern Floriduh will be under water by 2050
An engineer said that most oceanside buildings have concrete rehabilitation done every 10 to 15 years because of the salt water. This is affordable. If they wait until the 40 year recertification, it will end up costing 15 million or more and might fall on the homeowners heads. I bet the homeowners didn't fight the assessment like the collapsed condo homeowners did.
Another of the many reasons I would NEVER want a condo. I thought they were awful BEFORE the collapse. Special Assessments and HOA fees are non-negotiable.
Plus if you have renters who don't obey so called CONDO or townhouse rules...your complaints are just empty words. Owners rent out their properties and BINGO! trashed properties, unpaid rents and illegal drugs.
I think the whole condo model may be a bad idea. Owners can usually afford just the upkeep on their unit, not the special assessments. Then they argue over whether or not repairs should be done or put off. Then they choose the cheapest construction company. It's a recipe for disaster.
in miami you don’t want to buy a condo
@@michaelciccone2194 I am currently renting out a Condo, but I concur with this. I had to call management because folks were not complying by the rules and they basically said their hands were tied. I'm moving out and I'm sooooo glad. It's not just renters either, owners think they are in a SFH and can do whatever they want as well.
@@moreanita8 I am sure you have patient during this ordeal. It is terrible when grown adults cannot follow rules laid out in these homeowner and condo books. Here in Staten Island, it's the owners that get penalized...evictions of renters take a very long time. I have had some pretty nasty neighbors here.
These properties are going to become worthless given the significant amount of repairs needed and the rise of hoa fees from special assessments. Its going to make sales difficult. Good luck.
Worthless no. Just more expensive
wait until they are no longer able to get insurance
@Bob Grey they will definitely increase
Its going to make sales difficult. No . The REAL asset is the land
@@freegedankenzurbaukunst5613 What land? It's going to be underwater in less than a 100 years.
When is Miami going to face the elephant in the room? It's no longer viable to build on porous limestone and have sea level rise rotting buildings from the bottom up. All your new sea walls and pumps don't stop what's happening underneath.
Amen 🙏
Definitely. But I’d they call sell condos or land for millions, that’s all they care about. Let’s hope this will open everyone’s eyes that we cannot build so close to the ocean
@@xcaret-ns3pb thank you.
Miami needs to stop trying to be like NYC, Chicago, Toronto. Miami & ocean side cities can’t handle the salt sea water it damages foundations rebar.
the buildings are set on pilings , not a limestone bed . there was probably nothing wrong with the building ....you still have maintain them and the building code has very specific requirements for the fixes , but again , you still have to fix them when deficiencies are detected
It’s beginning to look like there’s something severely wrong with the building codes in Florida
Cheapening of materials during construction to save bucks is more like it. Building specs demand certain p.s.i. strength of concrete to pass code and architectural review boards. Whether or not the actual materials are laid to those specs are another matter.
Other states too!!
Enforcement
Car shock absorbers attached to diagonal brace, inside the walls of timber house, absorb earthquake energy.
@Jeannette Martin can you explain? Isnt Florida a Republican state?
when rebars are exposed the damage has been already done, by covering it by concrete will not solve the problems you are just hiding them from sight.
you are not just "covering it by concrete", the procedure has several steps, a chemical agent to stop the rust, a brown paste (don't know how that is called) to protect the rebars, and then special concrete.
I know this from personal experience :-(
@@vasopel that's only the visable... a lot is buried..
@@petero2693 you obviously dig out the concrete around the exposed rebars to see how far the damage has gone, if it's too much...than it's unfixable.,did I need to point this out? no.
"The concrete is falling down." No! That's not the problem. Moisture has infiltrated into the rebar. Patching the holes will do nothing.
It's a massive ticking time bomb
Yeah it needs full remediation not patch work. You gotta take the concrete back to where the rebar is not corroded, repair the rebar and use anti rust agents, then redo the concrete.
They'll all be patching it up, slapping some paint on it and selling the apartments to people who don't know any better (the engineers can't report on what they can't see). Prepare to see a lot more of this in the coming years.
@@elslick The only Remediation for that is to take it back down to the ground.
QUE?!?
Screw that ,a 17 year old concrete building looking like that, someone used the wrong concrete mix ( ratio ) . I would be out of there.
OK Mr. concrete expert......who thinks he can tell by a video on a news story. Your type of people are entertaining though.
Yes. And rusty rebar...
Chinese materials, cheap labor means more $$$ for the developers.
Its pretty normal in humid salty air
@@jacquir8331 Chinese have nothing to do with it , Latest Chinese infrastructure is world beating to say the least .
Eye opener...wakeup call...It's better to be safe than sorry later...Lives are more precious than money...!
Try telling that to the Republikkkans who won’t even vote for infrastructure for roads and bridges.
@@konineteen651 you talking about the infrastructure bill full of non construction items like fleets of electric buses? Too many non essential items for me to list them.
@@lr7633 electric vehicles are a necessary part of the future. There will need to be many, many more charging stations built across the country and the initial outlay and maintenance of most of these falls into the category of infrastructure !
@@carolyngames7705 how are u going to support all the demand? Nuclear, coal, natural gas?
@@konineteen651 It's both sides that do it. Granted, Florida republicans need to make sure we don't inspect buildings every 40 years.... Blasphemy that this is happening at all without significant outrage from the public.
Lesson to all......do our homework before buying any property. Get an opinion from a building Inspector who was NOT recommended by the HOA, nor the realtor.
By the time the inspector get there the seller will have 10 offers in already🤪
@@drone1028 that's not even remotely true. It takes months to get the paperwork done. You get it inspected while that's happening.
Right!
Also, check out the condo’s required reserve funds for anticipated repairs including recertification and the inevitable insurance increases and increased management fees. I seriously doubt your average condominium even in an upscale area would have enough money to cover it all.
You can't fix that. Plastering over the spalling concrete isn't going to make any difference.
Did you see the fixes they did at Champlain? The contractor left the injection ports in the concrete slab he was attempting to fix. The attempted repairs only further damaged the slab. It's clear the bar is way too low for contractors in this area.
Exactly, correct..an old contractor told me a long time ago to never second guess him on the amount of materials he needs especially the size steel and amount of cement because we cannot prop up a concrete building..
I have proven him right on many occasions….
These failing structures need to be demolished immediately before others get hurt..
It was done by illegals from Mexico.
Didn’t you see the new rebar supports? The concrete one was a finished version of the others that were resecured .
@@justin8894 was designed by architects from the U.S.
It’s best just to buy a house with front and backyard 🏡
Ever watched Holmes on Homes. Shoddy construction isn’t limited to condos in FL.
Homes can collapse also, a car can crash through the house etc
@@geegee637 two 2x4s can hold up 1000Lbs or more. Houses are massively over engineered compared to these buildings.
Because houses never require maintenance?
Houses with a front and backyard are very expensive. The expensive problems in a house is the foundation and the roof.
what do expect? every building is built by the lowest builder. older buildings have better quality building parts.
Not the one that collapsed
lowest bidder.
Yes you should never go with the lowest bid. You get what you pay for….
@@ThePrissy11 the one that came down is only 40 years old that’s YOUNG for a building
I live in a apartment building from 1920 its good i gues i dont see cracks or anything but ive been nervous for these past few days im sure ill be better soon
Those building inspectors, city officials and construction companies should be in jail.
You know money changed hands to push this crap through.
Bingo
Not even money. Everyone knows everyone. Someone always have family in the inspection, fire, building departments etc.
100%
Florida has a building code and inspectors??
WHYYYYYYY is the inspection only supposed to be at 40-years???
should be every 5 years or even sooner, clearly
I tried living in South Florida. I only lasted 1 year. I knew I didn’t belong there when I walked into my office one morning and noticed a large dark hole in the wall, and then it started to move. I backed out the door and had to find someone who had to actually pick up the hand sized bug to take it outside. But the straw that was the final breaking point is when the dew point was 73 degrees. I knew it was wrong, it was never dry.
I have noticed a lot of buildings in Florida and ones being built all across the country are just concrete and rebar, there don’t seem to be as many being built with steel columns and beams. Where I live they were always built with columns and beams and I was a union man working out of the hall and the B.A.’s phone so I worked in many. I was a laborer we are first on the site and the last to leave.
Wow I didn't notice that until you pointed it out about just concrete and rebar buildings. I would think at least a minimum of steel columns was to be expected for longevity, but the condo tragedy had none that I could remember seeing?
There are steel beams in my 2 floor apartment building here in Wisconsin. It was built in the early 70s and I can see the beams in the basement. One would think on those tall buildings they would use steel beams! Weren't all those tall skyscrapers in NYC built with steel beams? You don't see those falling and they are much older than 40 years!
In places like SoFla reinforced concrete has been the standard for the beams and columns for any building anything less than true skyscraper height for most of the 20th and early 21st centuries. At least in Florida part of their thought is about hurricanes.
These days in some parts of the country, I've seen buildings up to like 7 floors built of virtually all timber frame, any major concrete or steel just at the base. That doesn't make me feel great either.
@@sarahb.6475 , Yes, most Chicago and NYC tall buildings are framed in structural steel, and we have almost no such problems with our tall buildings in Chicago, which run much taller than those in the Miami area. And the few buildings that have a hint of the kind of problems that these Miami buildings have, were built in the 70s with steel-reinforced concrete. When pressed, architects and engineers will admit that steel-reinforced concrete is inferior to structural steel in most ways. We have NEVER had the kind of problems with our finest high-rises, which are the ones built 1910-1940. These are also the most beautiful and comfortable buildings.
I don’t think I’d ever buy a condo ever…now.
Certainly not a seaside one, that's for sure.
@@dianedenham5259 I don’t think ever. Having to depend on someone else to keep you safe in your home sounds dangerous. I’d rather rent and move when I want if not in a house. HOA associations are a nightmare too.
@@louchat333 I so agree. I think I'll just stay in my little house, even if I can't make it up the stairs☺
@@dianedenham5259 the humid salty air do not stop at the seaside. Whole florida is the same
@@louchat333 My family has an HOA and we don't live in a condo.
HOA is good if they are actually doing their job. And also, not dependent on those that chose to be bratty and not participate or complain about it!
Condos are just a bad idea. Theres always mistrust and infighting on the boards. A lot of people cant afford a special assessments.
Beacuse of misuse of the funds. The corruption is wide and open.
My aunts lived in a condo. There was no end to the "condo politics" going on.
I never could understand wanting to own a piece of an apartment. All the disadvantages of apartment living, tied into the disadvantages of owning a home. But at least if you own your home, you can pull a permit and do the work yourself. A condo doesn't give you that option.
@@michaelcrossley5661 Really. I grew up in REAL houses made of WOOD! At least in a rental apartment you just pay the rent and the building owner should look after the upkeep. Of course a place like those concrete highrises would not be cheap to live in. They are hardly "affordable" housing...
I learned that about condos the hard way. Was fortunate that the market was up and I was able to sell. Now happily live in an apartment
NOTE TO SELF: Do not purchase condos in Florida...can you imagine purchasing a condo then receiving a letter...we need renovations...please pony up $750,000 or we will let your castle fall down around you and your friends...ummm, we were wrong....you need to pony up three times that. Home ownership is looking good again... you know, where you get to keep your feet on the ground.
Yes home ownership is starting to look beautiful to many. After this experience my dream to own a condo in Florida is off my list.
@@FaithandNova but this has never happened anywhere in Florida, not even the US before, no?
@@essence7423 it's happened now, no?
@@essence7423 It's going to start happening regularly as all this rotting infrastructure starts failing. Don't worry...you guys will normalize it and it will hardly be a talking point unless someone famous dies, you know exactly like what (America) has done with mass shootings these days.
I wish it was only $750,000. Last one we got was for $2.6 million.
Even if that building is from 2006, Miami is all humidity and moisture. That's why those buildings rot so fast. I'd never buy a condo in the south. Nooooo way.
And salt.
And tweakers with superhuman strength
From what I understand, if the metal rebar isn't coated and sealed with some kind of membrane before the concrete is poured, it is susceptible to corrosion in salty air conditions. Believe it or not, concrete is quite porous and that sea air will attack the rebar inside the concrete unless sealed.
Here in Singapore, we have numerous high-rise properties which are also near coastal shores and bays. Yet we do not have this crisis. Suggest your property firms reevaluate their building materials and worker skills.
I was wondering when someone would finally point this out!!
Florida is a corrupt state with low standards , your countries standards are much higher as they are in many other coastal cities and countries.
Singapore standards are very high. We should emulate them.
And plain old Corruption.
Welcome to the build it fast and worry about the details later era. Building won’t even last 40 or 60 years anymore
The building is 41 years old
Renovated 15 years ago no one seems to wanna look that up
@@dyrdek the building that fell? Yeah it was 41 years old. There story talked about building built in 2006 that are crumbling
Scary
@@TannerEskew Miami builds tall buildings very close to the sea water which isn’t bright. Sea salt water damages foundations rebar. Miami just needs to acting like it’s NYC, Chicago, Toronto.
When another building is constructed next to this one the vibrations cause your building to show damage in 2or3 years.
It really depends on how it's built, buddy, and also the soil conditions. If you are using driven piling as a method of shoring, then absolutely you can cause damage.
That doesn’t cause a building to collapse though. The fundamental issue is still water and time. Driving piles may crack the concrete if proper calculations and engineering work isn’t done (or done poorly) but if it’s patched relatively quickly (6 months to one year) and properly it’s not a huge problem. With Surfside, the root cause is still fundamentally a maintenance problem along with a very probable water issue. Granted witness reports at such time must be taken with a grain of salt, but the most likely point of failure ATM is in a location with know water intrusion as well as standing water issues. Salt water and time mixed with poor initial construction and engineering is what causes collapses.
TLDR: Construction nearby on its own could possibly cause problems but it doesn’t cause half the damage that time without maintenance along with salt water (or even just water) causes on their own. It’s water and time that are the real problem.
@ElbowPeep Get some Gas-X or you’ll destroy the neighborhood! Haha.
building a 12 story building on wet sand just isnt a great idea in general
But the Beachboys said it was “Good good good…good vibrations”
In my condo it’s always a fight to get anything repaired because the board complains of lack of money but they always have plenty of money for their pet projects beautifying the buildings.
It sounds like u need to be up for a war as long as u live there. And I’m sorry about that:( Maybe this will change their attitudes and then laws will change their actions
Yes that's where a lot of the money goes.
As a condo owner and Board member myself, there is nothing I find so frustrating as dealing with other Board members who are always ready to spend money beyond necessity on landscaping and freshening up common areas, but who dive under their beds in terror when confronted with the major repair and replace of old systems that will take big money, and who don't want to have to tell the general ownership that the HOA has to be raised or a special assessment will be necessary.
2007 building won’t make it to 2025! Screw 40 years! Another Catastrophe in the making! 😳😳😳😳😳
good prediction!
Chinese materials and cheap labor.
@@jacquir8331 American choices all the way
@@jacquir8331 The Forbidden City was constructed from 1406 to 1420 . And standing still
PRAYING for all FAMILIES and WORKERS.
If you really want to help them, stop praying and get off your butt and actually do something.
I don't want one even for free.
Lol! Me either!
Right!
Oohh ohh 😮 dear 😂
It’s not the buildings ,it’s the slum lords that run them.
Sounds like you're better off renting my small apartment or purchasing your own House. Never understood why people go for mobile homes or condos. You never stop paying. Might as well rent an apartment and the owner is required to cover all costs of damages.
Benjamin Franklin famously advised fire-threatened Philadelphians in 1736 that “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”
When we say that prevention is better than cure, it essentially means that it is better to stop something before it happens instead of having to repair it or deal with its consequences after it has already been done.
That proverb was applied and practiced in 1736 and it is still relevant today.
nope, too much greed and corruption prevents that from happening. these building owner dont want to spend a dime, now they will pay in double in blood
@@draco2xx the 15 million dollars in repairs that were needed at chaplain are going to be crumbs when this is all said and done.
But taken to its logical conclusion, it would be better if buildings were built properly in the first place, not needing major structural repairs after only 15 years, or even after 40. The are buildings in the UK that are still not only standing but habitable/ usable after 500-800 years, everything from castles and churches to farm houses and cottages - I used to work for a manager who lived in a house that was over 500 years old.There are pubs in London that are still in use today that were built after the Great Fire of London, and so are 350 years old. And there is a bar, restaurant, and hotel building in Gloucester, UK that is so old that its date of construction isn't known precisely - it is around 1450, and you can still buy a drink, eat a meal, or stay overnight despite it now being about 570 years old. Ironically it is called the New Inn! :)
Ben Franklin sold the first fire insurance. 🔥
@@stevek8829 didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
faulty construction. look at the flashings on the decks. in my experience of over 40 years- builders of large construction projects don't seem to understand the importance of proper under /over flashing!
And that's why u don't buy condos!! Even if you have the $ and willingness to fix... Other residents probably don't and the fees you paid were probably mostly wasted
Co ops are even worse
Also why you don't build next to an ocean where hurricanes and storms bring in salt laden air constantly.
In multi unit dwellings the city collects a boat load of extra property tax when compared to the space occupied by detached homes. This money should be used for regular inspections to ensure structural integrity is maintained on these buildings.
Which is why I will *NEVER* live in a condo!
And the bottom is about to drop out of the aging condo market. If your condo is more than 10-15 years old you might want to get out quick.
Too late already.
Good luck. Few will want to buy
I was thinking the same thing. You won’t be able to give them away.
A large section of the population doesn't take care of their living space. There's people who will let water damage and mold grow in their living space for no logical reason. Unfortunately that's something these condo owners probably have to face every 5 to 10 years no matter what.
Hoarders? Yeh ever watch that. 😆
The crazy part is every resident in any condo is required to pay a “monthly maintenance” fee
@@darius318 what does paying a fee have to do with a unforseen major collapse.
@@covidisevent201 maintenance fees are collected to provide preventive maintenance for the building and if they used those fees over time properly this would never happen I think the build was 40 yrs old
@@darius318 i understand that. But what happened looked like an implosion idk if maintenance fees would of helped this. Ive never seen a building collapse like this ive watch 9/11 happen. Ive been in construction for 20 plus years plus. This was really unreal the way it collapsed. This whole thing doesn't make sense.
I’ll give it 20 years before Miami becomes a resort ghost town
@@joshn2342323 And die there too :-( Loyal till the end.
It's too big to fail, a large part might become a slum before a ghost town.
@@joshn2342323 i dont get why people pay just to look at the ocean. Live in the ocean i understand but look at it makes no sense
I have doubts the repairs are sufficient. Once that rebar starts corroding internally what remediation stops it from continuing?
"it's never too late" he said
Oh yes, it is too late for those ~150 presumably dead. It's too late to fix what they ENGINEERS pointed out 3 years ago
More accountability? so rare these days.
For what a disaster noone could predict. It happens if you cannot see in your walls. Who knows whats going on im a construction worker. Usually its old construction without the regulations we have today that have major problems. Its age not the foundation. In in florida yes you get settling for sure. These high rises are not safe.
That word has disappeared from our language
Two things. It is plainly visible that there is insufficient concrete cover over the re-bar. This happens when the re-bar cages are not made correctly and the forms are not made larger to accommodate the errors. A number of cores should be cut and the percentage void content of the concrete should be calculated to determine infiltration of water and corroding chemicals!
condo prices are going to fall and the new owners will be hit with the huge bills to make repairs!
Condo fees going Up up & away! ✌
Every building needs to be checked being so close to water.! Don’t understand how a state with hurricanes allows buildings to be checks every 40 years!
should be when building hits 15 yrs old and be inspected every 5 years
Well the first is not a low grade Inspection. It's a 40 year re-certification. And then every 10 years after.
I mean, we're also the state that allowed George Zimmerman to walk free, so what do you really expect from us? 🤷🏿♀️
@@TomikaKelly really? WTF does that have to do with anything? Troll much?
Its funny how one building falls and all of a sudden everyone wants to start construction on the old buildings this world is a set up
This was being worked on prior to the collapse.
@@amielawson8344 Some people lack comprehension skills. Great job paying attention Amie!
Your grade: F
The collapse was the Canary in the Coal Mine for Florida construction. This is just the beginning.
It looks like Chinese drywall wasn't the only shortcut being used back in the boom.
When you buy a million dollar home in a "development" and a 12 year old can punch through the walls, you know you've been had. And they're ALL like that.
I have NO BACKGROUND in construction, but I can tell you what the problems are in Southern Florida high-rise condo developments. Concrete reinforced construction was not intended for saltwater beachfront highrise buildings. Those buildings are being eaten from the salt in the air and the periodically saturated salty soil in foundations. Just the wind alone has salt in it that covers the building exteriors then it rains and the concrete basically sucks the corrosive salts into the core where the rebar sits. I don't care how many times you repair it it will just continue its decaying ways. Even buildings that look like they are OK trust me they are not OK. Every one of those buildings that were built that way, are doomed it's just a matter of time. So you ask why these buildings were built this way instead of steel girder construction? The answer is simple because it's CHEAPER. Already they are evacuating another similarly constructed building down the street. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING look for Florida property values to implode and they will take people and banks with them. TheReaper!
One building fell. It happens, it can all be mitigated and accounted for in future construction, or retro-repair to existing structures. No need to panic. We build bigger and heavier structures smack in the middle of the ocean. The public is truly ruled by emotions. Ask yourself how many buildings are by the seaside and if the ocean has just gotten salty. We will soon all forget this happened.
Scary stuff
When I think about the integrity of Miami construction, a certain scene from Idiocracy immediately comes to mind.
Conclusion...it is not worth it to live in a condo building
Time to go into condo repair business.
Include Condo demolition-Insurance business! 😁🌅✌
It looks like to me, its up to the builder & his quality assurance. Dont skimp on anything. Have to figure in weather factors of moisture/salt & underground water levels building on sand. Bible says build on rock. Maybe a homey house 15-20 miles from beach, no? Can always visit the beach. May be best but its surely beautiful overlooking the ocean. Cant deny. I have a friend that was a steel worker foreman for the big union, laying beams in/on the best NY skyscrapers. Those buildings r there to stay,100s of years. Seems u get what u pay for.
Wanted to move to FLA but condo fees were outrageous. Moved to Las Vegas.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. For Sure
Housing prices are about to get a lot more expensive in hot and humid Florida.
Hot and humid? Why, whatever do you mean? 🥵🔥 It’s often referred to as The 7th Circle of Hell. Thats what I call it anyway.
There are many condos like that
You don't even live in the states so how would you know?
Geez Ray you're everywhere
QUE?!?
I would not want to be a high-rise condominium owner in Florida or anywhere else in the US these days
Modern architecture is a joke, bring back Pyramids...
most ancient architecture doesn't exist anymore either
There is regularly maintenance work done on the Great Pyramids also though...
@@ciello___8307 Except Pyramids....
@@alanamileras2329 You can only maintain what's still around....
@Benjamin Breeg It wasn't lost, they took if off to build a mosque.
0:55 looks like water got into the rebar.. happens when the rebars was too low when the cement was poured, or those rebars was rusting already when cement was poured over... IMO, this is a lost cause; you cannot prevent those rebars from rusting further. that ceiling WILL go down.
The fixes are superficial and do not increase the structural integrity of the building. If they say it does they are lying. "RUN FOREST RUN"
Yeah, fixing the columns supporting the entire building are just superficial, Einstein.
The downside to condo owning.
this is what you get when you go for the lowest quite not the best quote
No way in hell I'd stay there Ever.
Long time ago: Can't judge a book by its cover...
Now: Can't judge a condo by its cover....
Connecticut just went through a similar concrete issue in single family homes. Crumbling foundations lead to years of trying to figure out who was to blame and who would fix it. Some went to their representatives others to their insurance companies. Cost to repair was in access of $100 000. One friend told me her mom had to leave her house for 3 months while foundation was redone.
Curious to see how mortgage companies are handling this. Some may put a temporary ban on lending for condos in the area=less demand=lower values=upside down home owners. Hopefully this is a unique situation. Referring to the surfside condo
I live in a complex (another state) built in the late 1960s. And I feel much safer than if I lived in the Miami River condo, built in 2006. I just think they don't build things like they used to.
The baby boomers moved into these things, never did any maintenance, and milked all the value out of them. You would have to be a fool to buy into one of these things. They are like negative value timeshares. I feel sorry for young people. They are inheriting a debt ridden, crumbling, 3rd world country.
sure it's the boomers fault for building an economy where you can just sit in your mama's basement...smoke some more dope your bath is almost ready
Condo's never have any value regardless of how much people pay for them, all you are buying is a temporary space inside a box you don't even own.
@Nunya Biz congratulations you had NOTHING to do with the appreciate of your property , aside from paying it off. Indirectly met several pompous Boomers like yourself before I bought my house, most of you did the bear minimum, if that, to maintain the property.
Stop with your ageism. I'm sure you rightly have a problem with racism, colorish, classism, etc, but think being ageist is ok? Also, you know better than to stereotype, as you hate it being done to you and others (and it is!) but think it's okay to do it when it's your personal opinion? No. Wrong is wrong. And that way of thinking does nothing but further divide people. This is not a particular generation's fault for anything. It *is* the fault of greedy individuals or companies. But no entire generation is to blame for any individuals', developers' or corporations' mistakes is wrong.
you are so wet behind those young ears - momma just licked em for ya and you learned a little about how people live their busy lives. get your paranoia under control boy.
nice patch job right over the rusted rebar
It's like putting a bandaid on cancer.
It seem like adding another layer of icing on a cake. What's that going to do to the soundness of the structure? The interior is failing. They should evacuate all similar buildings; age, size, builder, and inspector.
I feel so blessed in my house 🏡
This should be interesting for future real estate values.
Idk but i dont think little patch work is going to fix anything! I'd get out FAST instead of begging the property people to fix anything.
The quality of the steel used in the concrete or the psi of the concrete determines the strength of the structure
Its about to get real pricey for those condos in Florida for a while.
A friend who moved to Floriduh 5 years ago is regretting it. In California the only problem was minor repairs when earthquakes happened, usually a broken tv at most.
Salt water and heat with humidity does this
For 20 years, and when the four Hurricanes hit in 04, that was it for me.
Came back to my home state of Ohio.
But now I want to leave it too👎
Builder should take some responsibility.
The reportage appears to make some distinction among “residents,” the “condo association,” and “management.” The residents (aka owners) and condo association are one and the same thing. As far as management is concerned, a condominium may be self-managed, or a commercial property management company may be engaged to do the operation and maintenance. The flaw in the structure of condos and coops is that the association must vote on the assessments to get this kind of work done, and many members are only interested in keeping their costs down, making assessments a hard sell.
Strange that anyone would think this way. Do they not understand what it means to be an owner?
@@Maranville From my experience (this our fifth year living in a condo), it appears that some people do not. Most people I know here owned a detached house at some point in their lives that they were solely responsible for, so I don’t get the attitude that the building is “somebody else’s” problem. As far as I’m concerned, their attitudes would be better suited to apartment living.
Our 12 year old wood frame 4 story condo building underwent major rainscreening repair due to a design flaw. $1.5 million paid out by the 40 owners. It can happen. Buyer beware.
I call bs that they don't know if the cause is due to it's location on the shoreline or shotty construction - duh. It's construction and proof is the fact every other building in that area isn't in the same condition. I'd never agree to a Special Assessment Meeting since I'd never live anywhere without documentation that they have done a Reserve Study, having access to read it, and then checking on the latter Reserve Account to ensure the BOD and HOA were in fact allocating the stipulated percentage to that fund MONTHLY. These repairs are not something you spring on homeowners. It devalues ALL property residents homes to the point noone will buy that unit or property.
Built in 2006? Wtf? I would sell, take the loss and get that hell out. No building should deteriorate that quickly.
The joys of condo ownership.
No More
OK dumb question: why not add concrete the entire height of the crucial support pillars?
Building to minimum specs, follow the money
MOVE OUT NOW...if you stay, you do it at your own peril...those Florida condo buildings are crap
From whom are the construction companies purchasing the rebar. I will go out on a limb and say its not made in the USA.
The corrosion is present at the start of construction and will not stop especially in climatic conditions found in Florida and coastal areas.
Seems like there needs to be an investigation into the contractors and city inspectors.
Looks like the place needs condemning. That's what you get for building on swamp land.
It was built on sand, how stupid can you be.
@@robertlind1511 sand, swamp really dont make a difference does it
NYC has buildings built on bedrock that is why they never collapse unless it is a terriorist attack
@@robertlind1511 lol
Living in Florida now for 4 years. LOVE it. I just bet your can't afford to live here.
Built in 2006 and already showing that kind of deterioration???
After watching all these videos I would never live in a condo in Florida.
This was built during the boom in 2006 and was probably completed quickly at the expense of doing it correctly.
Repeat=subsidence is not repairable. The forces that destroy are mot from the building. This is 🩹
This is the major reason I will NOT buy a condo! I saw the same thing in LA about 15 years ago. I insisted an inspection of the basement and infrastructure before I would even consider buying. You can't believe how rudely I was treated! I finally decided to NOT buy a condo. I now am retired and living in mid-Missouri in an antebellum house which was built in the mid-19th century. It is more secure than any condo I've seen.
I hope people learn why buying a condo is a scam
Like single family homes don't require constant maintenance and repairs.
@@GoGreen1977 Yep
The majority of rebar I've ever seen was already rusting long before its put into slabs....it may sit around a job site for weeks, sometimes months long before its ever put into slabs....ive always wondered if that rusting continues once inside the concrete. That's what looks like is happening at this building.
mmmm I feel like the residents shouldn’t have to pay extra to not die.
They should or go live elsewhere.
Private property maintained by private money, not tax payer money bc they chose to buy there.
@@AnnSisuLiv Ok. Where in my comment did I say “the tax payers should pay for it” 🙃🙃🙃
@@Jghjkl829 If residents aren't paying, then who?
If you think the building codes are bad there, you should see what they build here in Canada. Company X gets the contract, takes a cut and outsources to company Y which does the same thing until some random subcontractor is actually building the place… inspectors still get paid so they sign off etc…..
Really?? Name names, and buildings. Give actual examples. But of course you can't.