The only problem with beginning your BL journey with KP is that KP had a bigger budget and higher production values than any other series. But don't let that dissuade you from continuing your journey. Many low-to-mid-budget series are quite extraordinary.
that's true. I feel the low budget (often in the audio quality) has a special charm sometimes that makes thai BL unique in a way. idk how to describe it.
@@HangryKitsune the audio as well as the subtitles.. I swear, my english got worse after watching some shows.. the subs were sooo bad that I dropped some shows..
@@Rayna_90 I guess I dodged those hard cases. War of Y was just unwatchable with all the not translated text messages.... but sometimes we have nice people in the fandom who translate errors or missing parts :) The only thing that annoyed me with the KP subs on iQiyi is that they constantly write swear words into something more 'family friendly' (it's a meme by now for us) ... even the english swears we can clearly hear😂(also most inter fans already learned thai swear words from other dramas)! That series is already 18+ we are adult enough for those words I promise. lol
not really, but it is more often that the main characters are gay or bisexual, so it appears more. These shows don't try to throw a widerange of characters at us who are supposed to represent all sorts of demographics. So the gay/bisexuals have more of a presence here and they feel more in numbers. To take KinnPorsche, we have 9 main and supporting casts who are either gay or bisexual, that is not much, even having 2 out of 3 brothers being gay is not so unusual either, but they are the focus, so they feel more in numbers than they actually are.
About Thai BLs - If you're looking for quality storytelling and good development of a gay relationship: "I Told Sunset About You" If you want something MESSY and entertaining: "Only Friends"
Just add BL's that got the "Best Lgbtq programme in Asia" award: 1. A Tale of a thousand stars 2. Bad Buddy 3. Moonlight Chicken -Miracle of Teddy Bear and To, Sir with love is good too if you like lakorn style drama
I don't know if anyone else has said it, but I wanted to point out that the actor who plays Tankhun, Tong, is an openly gay actor and activist who has been fighting for queer rights in Thailand for years.
One thing you should keep in mind and honestly what draws me and a lot of other queer people to bl/gl is that it's mostly there to entertain. I feel like especially with western queer media we all have gotten so fixed on the idea that every single queer character needs to represent actual real life queer folks. Thai bl/gl is a little different. Characters just happen to be queer. That doesn't mean they have to act a certain way. They're messy, often morally grey, a little over the top and so so fun to watch. Are Thai bl/gl shows perfect representation -whatever TF that even means lol - no probably not but they've given our community what we deserve. Entertaining media and lots of queer love stories we can laugh and cry and swoon over. Kinnporsche is still one of my faves and I really hope y'all can just enjoy it for what it is😊
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exactly! or in the new series "we are" all of them are gay/bi guys and no one is questioning them!
Well, it depends on the show as to whether characters come out or not etc. E.g. My Stand-In has a homophobic family. I do agree that the entertainment factor is what makes these bls (which is basically just gay romance) from Taiwan and Thailand so popular., because that is what so many want. Plus, the constant push for perfect representation is a dead end if you ask me. No show can do that. Plus, I have seen some pretty questionable examples of said representation,
@@inotaishu1 oh of course! There are a few shows that deal with issues such as homophobia, coming out and accepting who you are but it's definitely not as often as in western media and often times if the characters have issues in life it's not necessarily tied to their sexuality. And I agree. I think often the representation factor kinda kills creative freedom and fun/exciting story telling. I got so tired of western queer "rep" that I was almost dreading new releases. I hated that I couldn't enjoy media as a queer person so Thai BLS/gls opened this whole world up to me. Almost like a rainbow candy store I can go in and just pick whatever I'm craving you know? Idk if that even makes sense lol
@@Kimiblues "I got so tired of western queer "rep" that I was almost dreading new releases. " Trust me, I know that feeling. And especially when the main characters are "queer", it is as if so many writers and showmakers have a very very tied to certain types of stories and even character traits. To give an example: I know of one gay comic book writer, who, whenever he writes gay characters, they are incredible stereotypes, but when he writes straight characters, they are actually three-dimensional people. Possibly because he thinks he has to write in a certain way or maybe his own head is full of stereotypes.
@@inotaishu1 yes exactly! I mean surely Thai shows aren't free of stereotypes but at least characters get to be more than just queer and I appreciate that.
Product placement in Thai bls often makes me die laughing bc of how blatant it is and just the way it gets placed in the story. But product placement cracks me up in general like Toyota in teen wolf and myfi in the vampire diaries
About it feeling like ownership, get used to it. Kinn, Tankhun, Macau, Vegas (and Kim, the younger brother) are all mafia heirs. They do not follow society's normal moral code, and the bodyguards are there to serve and die for them. They are essentially human shields. We will see they vary in the treatment of the bodyguards and the lines they cross, but these men are trained and sworn to take bullets for the members of the mafia. Kinn is the de facto heir of the major family (Tankhun is older, but he has PTSD so duty falls to Kinn). Vegas is the heir of the minor family, and he is below Kinn.
The actor that plays Tanakun, Tong or P'Tong since he is older than me (In Thailand you put the P in front of the name when someone is older than you) is actually queer in real life and came out at one of the events with the cast. It was a really beautiful moment :) A few years back he also adopted a son which he sometimes shares on his Social Media. Mostly for important events or steps in his life. I loved his character in KP and I know he enjoyed it so much. He also became a BL novel writer which means I hope that one day he gets to produce one of his own stories into a Series or Movie :) Enjoy the rest of your KP journey, it's definitely worth it! I'll be tuning in for the rest of this.
Basically, BL drama, especially Thai BL, is "spot the straight character" 😂 since everyone is 🏳️🌈 These past few years, we have had a growing number of GLs! And even sometimes Gays, Lesbians and BIs in ONE drama! (example: I feel you linger in the air series) P.S. You gonna LOVE ep3 :)
And in KP especially it's also "spot a woman" game, right? i mean, there are some, but the characters dont even have names, because they are so minor....
@eh8035 oh sh!t!!! I forgot! Maybe because in recent Thai dramas, I see more and more women, I forgot how rare they were in those early years!! XD, especially in KP. I only remember the badass mafia secretary, Porsche's ##### (as not spoil but you know WHO), the bar owner and..... those girls that Porsche banged/flirted? Edit: oh and the Assassin. Honestly, these past months, as we have more GLs and even more GLs in BL drama, we might go with: "Find the straight character who ISN'T a parent and/or so minor in role" XD But give it a couple of years and even the parents come out as lgbt+!! XD
The thing about BL is: Queerness just is. There is no default to cis heteronormativity, the default is Queer. And thats why its so refreshing. Queer people exist, and in most cases (about 95%) there is no real conflict because of their sexuality. Its all drama from other things.
I have never thought of that. but that's so true. Like with BL and GL the default truly is queer. When you put it like that it makes absolute sense why a lot of people relate and enjoy it, especially those in the community.
Both of you do NOT FORGET “BAD BUDDY SERIES” BL WHICH IS SO DEARLY LOVED INTERNATIONALLY. Their OST (sung by one of the lead) I can’t even begin how famous it is. In real life played by two best friends whose chemistry set the bar real high. Also said to have the best onscreen bl kiss ever. The director P aof is also the director of tale of thousand stars he even did a crossover in a special ep “our skyy 2” Also it wud be a crime to start any other bl without starting with bad buddy. You have to start with it and then follow with the other series mentioned below by other fans.
tankhun is hilarious. He's so gay, yet so innocent. Everyone is basically gay in this series, which is fun because all the different relationships have a different kind of feel to them.
The beauty of Thai BLs is that in this world, they dont question their sexuality. Its just kinda like a given that they are queer, and no one gives a shit. Like there are no women characters in this, except for maybe 1 or 2 very minor characters. Like all of them are gay, in different shades. All the family that is. And noone is gonna be questioning it. even other dramas that are more rooted in reality, they dont angst too much on the sexuality part, but more about the romance of it. take note though that most BLs are geared for women, so that place a big role on romance more vs the process of coming out. anyway, cant wait for episode 3.
@@HangryKitsune that honestly is a recent development. Even in this, trans women are still used as a comedic characters. But with new and more diverse stories of the ever expanding Thai BL, a lot of women, trans and queer identity and included and we love that!
#Possible spoilers# Well the younger characters are gay but not the older characters like Kinn's father due to the fact he, his brothers and cousin have talked about their mothers.
Since people are throwing BL / GL / QL recommendations around, here are mine I rec from Thailand: - The Sign the series (it's free on yt. it has thai mythology, criminal investigation and some genderqueerness, genderfluidity going on for one of the mains, also has a transwoman played by a transwoman in a side couple) - Manner of Death (mafia, crime investigation where a doc teams up with the main suspect to solve a murder case, because the police is garbage in this one) - Not Me the series (also on yt, is about a twin impersonating his brother who got beaten in a coma, now he's joining his bros human rights activist biker gang as a mole to find the one who hurt his brother. is very LGBTq+ activism and thai politics themed but with romance in between of course. one iconic scene has a giant pride flag that is the original flag they use in Bangkok pride parade) - Pit Babe the series (haha that one is a bit wild but good. it's the very first omegaverse (but only with alphas) TV show. But it's actually more about car racing with a bit of super powers and some illegal stuff happening they fight against but I can't say cause it's a spoiler ) - A Tale of Thousand Stars (on yt as well. no crime here... oh well a little bit but this one is definitely more on the wholesome side, starts a bit sad tho. rich kid travels to a rural village to become a teacher and fulfill his heart donors last wish but finds also love as well)
In BL World, everyone is queer until proven otherwise, If a character dates women, they usually are bi or pan or whatever, BL have it's own unique tropes, it's really fun, and yeah, KinnPorsche can be very campy at times, (I like it)
Kinnporshe was so popular at its premiere that it later had its Kinnporshe Word tour ! Bonus fact: the actor who plays tankhun is openly gay and adopted a child and is raising him as a single parent. ❤
Tankhun is very over the top, but there's a reason for it. (I love that Jeff Satur was in consideration for this role. There are clips on line. 😂) But seriously though, Tankhun is the GOAT. He's the older brother btw. Kinn is the middle child.
I, for one, find it hilarious that all the sons in this family are gay like truly the "your bloodline ends with us, old man" ahh generation Edit: Also fun fact! Tong, the actor playing Tankhun, is queer himself, wrote a queer novel AND has an adoptive son and they are super cute (he also got into acting kinda by accident) and over the years became quite the person, he even had a speech at the parliament when the equal marriage bill passed earlier this month!!
It's quite a surprise to me some people were complaining about choosing KP, as regards thai BL industry, I think KP is one of the most popular and high budget thai BL series ever made. I personally think it's one of the best I've seen up to date.
I feel like it’s because BL already has a bad rep for being morally questionable and super explicit (I don’t see anything wrong with explicit content personally), so people say to start out with other things that won’t turn people off.
An amazing Korean BL that came out this year is 'Love for Love sake' . As to Thailand and sexualy. It is much more loose than the west. Everyone is a bit queer. And it is just the norm. As they have resisted colonialism. And the repression of sexuality.
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ikr!! it's so hard so spot a straight guy in thailand lmao (i love that)
one of my favorite bl's is "old fashioned cupcake", but it's very rarely mentioned. there are no fights and intrigues, sudden plot twists, just a show with which you can spend your evening pleasantly and warm your heart🫂
@@muciSAD i know about this, I have a huge list of things to watch hahaha, although i'm taking a break now because some of them break my heart. thanks for the recommendation. i need another life just to watch all the movies/series/anime...
Please keep going with this. KinnPorsche is morally grey, yes, but honestly so are SO many other BL series too. I would almost say most of them has some grey issues to, if you actually look at it, but so does straight series. KinnPorsche is just quite dark grey, since it's mafia/action themed, but this series also has some of the most romantic moments I have ever seen in a series that will make you melt 😊 Also, I mentioned in a comment on previous episode, BoC (production company) allows you to show 60% of a KP episode in these YT videos. Just blur the screen or edit out anything explicit (kissing is oki to show).
you guys should react to "his man" it's a korean gay dating show but it's so much more respectful and wholesome then western dating shows in my opinion :)
I'm glad you guys are enjoying KP so far. If you continue to explore BL i would definitely recomend trying BLs from other countries. There is a distinct difference between them from storylines, how they are shot, etc. and if you took out the language you can still tell. This is a rough generalisation (and my personal opinion): Thailand: Basically the King of BL with a huge range of genres, though sometimes can be more quantity over quality, but many real gems out there. Shows don't tend to have a focus on discovery of queer identity and characters just are. Lots of shows in high school and Uni setting but has dipped toes into pretty much every genre out there. Tend to be longer with 12ish episode 1hr each and lots of product placement. Heat/explicit levels vary depending on the show though Thailand does tend to produce some of the most explicit BLs. (Recs: Not me, Cutie Pie, Until we meet again) Korea: Probably the highest standard of production value overall but also most are short series of 6-10 episode only 30mins each. Also don't see product placement much here. Stories tend to focus in schools again and the BL country that is most likely to have storylines about discovery of queer identity and acknowledgement of homophobia though still lots of cute ones. Storylines tend to be "safer" overall with less exploration of genre. KBLs tend to be the most conservative with intimacy and kissing scenes though they have gotten better in recent years. (Recs: Love for Loves Sake, Semantic Error, Eighth Sense) Japan: Definitely your go it if looking for mature characters. Lots of JBL feature characters in their mid 20s - late 30s dealing with life in office jobs though there is of course schoolboy ones as well. Solid overall production value but short with most being 6-8 episode of 30 mins each. There is a certain quirk to the humour thats hard to describe but is very distinct. Also heat/explicit levels jump from super chaste to some of the horniest out there. (Recs: Love is better the second time around, Old Fashioned cupcake, Perfect Propose) Taiwan: I find it a mix of the three previous countries. Production value is more middling and ranges from 6-20 episode 30 mins each. Queer identity as part of the storyline really depends on the show but Taiwan has a lot more complex storylines in a range of genres (they also like their mafia stuff), family also tends to be a core theme in stories. Heat levels tend to be in the middle but again depends on the show. (Recs: We best love (Both seasons), Kiseki Dear to me, Unknown).
Arm, Tankhun and Tay are the faves for me~. (Arm being the gent in glasses with the guns, he proves to be an amazing friend to Kinn. He also is Tankhun's official bodyguard with Pol. Tay is Kinn's silver haired friend. We love Tay. Tay is a giant green flag. And Tankhun cause he's Tankhun. I also really love Chan, who is the older gentleman who is the leader of the bodyguards. His nickname in the fandom is Daddy Chan. Daddy Chan is perpetually exhausted someone please let him take a nap.)
I appreciate that at the start, you seem to have read or have had someone read all of the comments we made under the previous video. It is very encouraging that when we write here, the info does sometimes get back to you so you can have more info about how to approach a topic or genre that might be newer to you culturally or societally.
If you ever wanted to get into korean BL, “love for love’s sake” storyline is so unique! (Atleast to me) the description with ZEROOO spoilers is about this guy finding himself transported into a video game and his sole mission is to bring happiness to the other main character, or else he’ll die. And he also has to figure out HOW he was transported there and wtf will he do.
I absolutely love that you diving head first into the BL universe! KinnPorche is one of my favorite series in Thai BL, yes there are some morally grey moments but I think the show does a good job a confronting them. One series I would love to see you react too is Love in the air, following two main couples. Welcome to the BL family ❤️
I feel like you should watch moonlight chicken at some point- it bridges the gap Between western and Thai queer media well… a little more true to life but still classic bl troupes and of course every body and their mother is gay 🤣🙌 the Thai people know how to throw a queer little shindig
The point is that in KP, being queer is just one more part of the caracter and the romance are building to be also one part ofthe show. The drama, crime, thing, everything is so well balanced, well acted, is one of the best bl ever!❤
I would like you to meet Kim the youngest and most mysterious character of all..... He even makes his own dad cautious of him. He seems to know even more than Kinn but he doesn't jump in unless there is any kind of benefit for him. But damn he knows his dad's dark side more than anybody else. He is calculative, manipulative and very secretive. Even in the novel Dad believes Kim is the heir that can not only keep the mafia afloat but make it grow. But nothing ever goes against his wish. He is very logical and has firm control over his emotions. Only Tanakhun (eldest son) is aware that he is very nosy unlike others who believe he is just an artist.
The Sign, Last Twilight, or Until We Meet Again should be next if you continue your Thai BL journey LOL Oh and hunting for product placements will become your new norm 😅
Sailing down the Chao Phraya river on my way to Wat Arun in Bangkok playing Jeff Satur's Why Don't You Stay was one of the highlights of my life, driving a scooter around the university campus in Chiang Mai and play Britney Spears' Toxic is another one 😂
I've been watching bl for around 4 years now, and I don't even give a second thought on how open and apparent everything is, as it's just part of most of the shows, and I love it. I'm really glad that you've chosen to watch bl's and I hope you give other series a chance after this one... as with others saying maybe not the best one to start with (just down to the dark parts) but I did really enjoy watching when it aired. May be get a few bl series names and do a poll on which bl to watch next as I'm sure we all have a few favourites that we would love you to react to
Boys its a remember BL WORLD.. in this world people just are .. they are telling stories and the characters happen to be of the LGBTQ + community ( and you will see almost every representation there is ) ... and the genre will vary from Mafia , horror , university , high school .. you will see dark to cute and fluffy . .... you can watch by trope as well... Rich Daddy , Enemies to Lovers, Romance , comedy ... . I guess you guys miss my comments ... DO NOT watch through a WESTERN Lens
As for the title they chose for this reaction : "Back with Thai BL and bodyguards" , I wonder how they would have felt like if they had started with Unforgotten Night . Alex would have been killing it I think.
Story that is not in the series: They are a mafia family, each child is born rich and is encouraged to build their own strength, until one day the family was out of control, with a main branch and several secondary branches, until Kinn's father decided to unify everything and he went out killing anyone who didn't agree (uncles and cousins) after several years of unification, the younger brother asked for permission to form the second family and Kinn's father allowed it
KinnPorsche is ethically wild like Interview with the Vampire is. Mafia members and vampires don’t play by the same rules as average citizens and struggle to have non-toxic relationships with each other. I think if you can watch IWTV, you’ll be fine.
Fun fact about the the choking scene: Apo (Porsche) teache Mile (Kinn) how to choke him "correctly" 👀😜 Like Kinn was "really choking Porsche, of course Mike didn't apply pressure but yeah 👀🥵
You guys are hilarious and I have fun rewatching the series with you. Hope you don't get scared off the darker parts and drama bits of the series and pull through to the end ;)
Love to see new people getting into BL :) Just a few more facts on BL for you (as someone who studies the genre and Thailand. You can also find a lot of essays on the genre as it has been very seriously studied for the last 5 years or more): 1- BL rarely say that this or that character is gay, characters are always implied and showed as gay but rarely labelled as one. Regardless of BL popularity and the recent law for same sex marriage, Thailand is still not very open on the subject (the gouvernment sees BL as a way to expand its international influence and as Thailand soft power). BL are not fighting for the LGBTQ+ communty's rights, they're only here for entertainment. Also, BL depict romances between beautiful men (handsomeness is actually one criteria to chose the actors) in a world were the LGBTQ+ community is perfectly respected and accepted. In that way, very few BL show the struggles of coming out or being accepted as who we are 2- BL are mainly written and thought for a female audience 3- you rarely see female characters and if you see some they are minor characters with little impact on the plot 4- Thai acting and story telling is very different from Western norms. Screams, loud shouts, overreacting and overacting is very common
Regarding the 1st point, I think things have changed quite a bit in the recent years where even local people know about bl and support it (I've seen several thai bl actors talk about it). I dont think it's right to say that bl rarely shows LGBTQ+ struggles cuz there's like 100s of them talking about manyyy different topics, even things that might be often overlooked. One thing I've heard from a lot of queer people watching bl content is that they don't want all the stories to talk about the same thing, this is one of the reasons why many queer people are starting to enjoy bls and gls... also there's plenty of shows depicting the fear of coming out. (U can see people talking about this topic in the comment section as well) Also being attractive is a criteria to be an actor/actress in most filming industries?? Atleast that's what I've seen in Asian media, idk about the west. And yes bls were made for the female audience INITIALLY but the industry is slowly changing and we are seeing so much growth in so less time so let's not stereotype this industry, it will only turn people away.
i like this show but my favs are only friends which is quite messy and the eclipse which is softer but still adventorous. really good representation is in moonlight chicken so i think you would love these
I am LIVING for these reactions omggggg you guys are so funny and I just finished my 4th kinnporsche rewatch!! please watch until the end I need to see it all
22:31 YES! Easily. And it's dangerous. It can be very hard to strangle someone but it also doesn't take long or much to accidently seriously harm someone from strangling them if you are cutting off air and/or blood to the brain. It's one of those things that can go very wrong even when someone does it carefully for fun in bed with consent, even if it just play and not hard and not meant as actually strangle them but just simultating it you can still accidently seriously harm someone giving them brain damage or kill them if you push down the wrong way.
All of these handsome men already, and my favorite character hasn't even been introduced yet! Also, there's morally grey, and then there's...this. Don't say we didn't try to obliquely warn you!
These episodes are just a basement for the Tower... Keep going and than you will not be able to close your droped jaws. That's why i love this series 😅
They started in the world of Thai Bls on the right foot. KinnPorsche is without a doubt one of the best series ever made in Thailand, everything was carefully thought out to deliver something truly unforgettable and they really succeeded (I must confess that after seeing this one I have been more critical in relation to others) but don't forget to see others please, Thailand is full of good series, I will recommend some: Not Me, Bad Buddy, I Feel You Linger In The Air, Last Twilight, I Told Sunset About You and 1000 stars. I'm loving seeing your reaction!
One really good Thai bl is I told sunset about you, is a really visually pleasing show with good plot about discovering one self and is a little shorter( 5 ep with I think 50 Min each) but is a really good show that is more of a emotional one!!❤❤❤❤
I've rewatched KP so many times but your edits, funny comments and especially hearing your perspective on the series as first time BL watchers is making this the best rewatch!
Seriously, I can't wait for you to watch the rest of the series it gets better and better. I watched the whole series about 10 times one of my favourite bl series
Tankhun is my favourite character, and the actor Tong who plays him is equally awesome. He did some cool educational videos whilst Kinnporsche was airing about sexuality and gender - he also came out shortly after Kinnporsche finished airing at one of the Kinnporsche World Tour stops, which is hella brave of him as there aren't many out actors in the thai bl industry (loads of directors and writers though). You mentioned the contrast between seriousness and sitcom energy in the show, and the one thing that I felt held Kinnporsche back for me was the lack of consistency in direction. The show doesn't seem to know if it's a lakorn (thai soap opera), a dark mafia drama or something else sometimes which can work, but at other times it undermines the quality of the show for me.
one of the most popular and well known dark mafia drama series is the Yakuza videogame series, which also contrasts between deathly serious stories about topical political and moral events in Japanese society, and funni goofy slapstick. Honestly KPTS handles this balance very well, especially when you realize at the end what the true creeping horror is all about (NO SPOILERS)
I have some show recommendations: Never Let Me Go Pit Babe The Eclipse Not Me Bad Buddy Moonlight Chicken Wandee Goodday (Currently Ongoing) My Stand-In (Currently Ongoing) Cherry Magic (Japanese and Thai) My Love Mix-Up (Japanese and Thai) Semantic Error (Korean) The Eighth Sense (Korean) Very good shows, highly recommend. (Most of the shows listed can be found on the GMMTV YT channel for free. :))) And, imma tell you, I have a bingo list of tropes I’ve created whenever I watch a BL. “Sponsorships in show” is one of them. “Side pair/character superiority” is also on the list. My question would be for you two is who is currently your favorite character while watching KinnPorsche? Love that you guys are enjoying the show, looking forward to the next episode!
Don’t forget watch the OST AS WELL THEY ARE AS IMP AS THE EPISODES. Thai bl songs play a huge part coz it’s sung by the leads or one of the main cast. Who btw is a huge star there in Thailand Jeff Satur.( one of the main cast)
I CANNOT wait for you to see the next episodes. Lol, i remember having my mind blown when I was watching KinnPorsche (and anticipating each new episode). And by the way, no, not all BLs are like this that are like, everybody accepts that almost all the characters are queer. But it's one of the reasons why KP is one of the good ones for me. Because as Alex said in the ep 1 reaction, it's a story about mafia and all that other shit, and they all just happen to be queer. (But a staple in most BLs are that - you have to spot which characters are straight, rather than the other way around 😆) Also, a good representation here too. Because all the couples are different, their dynamics are very different from each other, so you're gonna see different types of relationship too. Oh and the product placement (we call them PPL here in Southeast Asia) for this episode is the bread, yes. Lol.
Kinnporsche is my first and favorite BL - while it's not perfect, no other BL has appealed to me as much. I hope you'll react to the other episodes! Otherwise, I commend to your attention Jeff Satur, who plays Kinn and Tankhun's younger brother and will appear more in future episodes. He's an amazing singer and artist, he composed the song for Kinnporsche (Why Don't You Stay) and has been picking up award after award in Thailand lately. His other great songs are Fade, Ghost, Dum Dum and more, he also collaborates with other interesting artists and has a lot of amazing covers. 🙂
The bit about changing between funny and serious moods quickly is so true, and if you watch any kdramas they do the same too. I didn't notice until a friend pointed it out,
Can’t wait for the next episodes reactions!!!! You guys make me smile and crack up! Love BL! Cher, (I believe) is identified as “ladyboy” in Thailand. It’s an actual term they use in Thailand. And yes, spot the straight is pretty accurate.
You guys are hilarious and this is a great reaction. I can't wait to watch the rest of your kinnporsche reactions. I discovered BL a year ago and have been loving exploring the genre since then. It is a very diverse genre and each country has its own flavor to it. There are also HUNDREDS of BLs out there, so whatever you want to watch gay romance wise, you can find it. It's been a year and I've gotten through 30 so far, still so many to go lol but I am loving the ride. It's so healing as a queer person to just have so much queer romance and this world of love and acceptance I can just escape into when I need it. After you've tackled Thai BL, I recommend exploring japanese BL, which are my personal favorite. Japanese BLs are a lot less bombastic and a lot more restrained than Thai ones. They are grounded and more realistic, have terrific acting, and just have a more artistic and atmospheric feel to them. My absolute favorites are Our Dining Table, My Beautiful Man, End of the World with You, Old Fashion Cupcake, at 25:00 in Akasaka, and the most famous, Cherry Magic. Lots of beautiful yearning and definitely make me cry sometimes.
Yeah, I'm not sure they were told how episode 1 and 2 are never rated as high as the rest of the series . They are rather messy, with a lot of characters ( and some hints) being introduced but scenes and moods are a bit all over the place . People usually start getting really interested from episode 3 on.
I personally like that in Bl´s pretty much everyone is queer and nobody questions anyting because it leaves out the drama and trouble of having to come out to everyone. And when the characters do come out, it usually goes with them coming out and their family being like "Oh, alright. We love you anyways, thanks for telling us." I feel like they save me a lot of anxiety lol. All the drama and story comes from the relationship itself and not the fact that they are queer.
I knew Alex would find the apple situation hot ..hahahah BTW By the end of KP Alex will be considering moving to Thailand and after he has been introduced to the GMM Boys .. Josh will be doing these reviews ALONE!!!!
He'll be craving Thai bread, and watching interviews in languages he doesn't comprehend soon , I think ! Let's just hint at Sign having the equivalent of mermaids, and that's a done deal.
Your reaction to Kinnporche is giving me life 🤩 I'm so happy you're enjoing it, BLs have some magic ingredients, you can't get enough of it once you start it, expecially thai ones
I watched your previous reaction to ep 1 earlier today and immediately shared it with my KinnPorsche fandom friends. You're both hilarious. So looking forward to seeing your reactions to episode 3!
Tankhun's actor has an adopted son irl and it's soo cute to see him raising his son right! He plays in other BLs too, such as TharnType (Tharn's older brother, Thorn) and I believe one where he is a lead but I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, he's an amazing actor. One of my faves!
Rule 1 in Thai BL: Everyone’s gay until proven otherwise 🤣🤣
I realised😂
Lol
the "we got another gay in the house" directed at Vegas got me good lmaooo
The way they both reacted to his voice is hilarious 🤣
that's a spoiler!!! please don't leave spoilers! they deliberate don't show who that voice belongs to.
@@Cookie_moonlove fuck i didn't even realize, and they've already seen it, I'm so sorry
@@MartinaPzzzit's fine lol 😂❤
The only problem with beginning your BL journey with KP is that KP had a bigger budget and higher production values than any other series. But don't let that dissuade you from continuing your journey. Many low-to-mid-budget series are quite extraordinary.
that's true. I feel the low budget (often in the audio quality) has a special charm sometimes that makes thai BL unique in a way. idk how to describe it.
@@HangryKitsune the audio as well as the subtitles.. I swear, my english got worse after watching some shows.. the subs were sooo bad that I dropped some shows..
@@Rayna_90 😂
@@Rayna_90 I guess I dodged those hard cases. War of Y was just unwatchable with all the not translated text messages.... but sometimes we have nice people in the fandom who translate errors or missing parts :)
The only thing that annoyed me with the KP subs on iQiyi is that they constantly write swear words into something more 'family friendly' (it's a meme by now for us) ... even the english swears we can clearly hear😂(also most inter fans already learned thai swear words from other dramas)! That series is already 18+ we are adult enough for those words I promise. lol
The thing is KP is not even my top 5 of the best bl series 😂😂
in thai bl's basically everyone is queer, I didn't realize how new that would be to people that are just beginning to watch 😭😭😭
I know, it was so strange going from western queer shows where only the main two are queer, to BL's where EVERYONE is
not really, but it is more often that the main characters are gay or bisexual, so it appears more. These shows don't try to throw a widerange of characters at us who are supposed to represent all sorts of demographics. So the gay/bisexuals have more of a presence here and they feel more in numbers. To take KinnPorsche, we have 9 main and supporting casts who are either gay or bisexual, that is not much, even having 2 out of 3 brothers being gay is not so unusual either, but they are the focus, so they feel more in numbers than they actually are.
I usually describe it as: the mains are gay and their brothers and their besties and their uncles and their teachers. 😂😂😂
OMG YES
Not really in thai bl there have been straight charecters and even asexual charecters
You think the inhaler is weird? Wait for the bread.
Not the bread😭😭😭
😭⚰️ "nom nom"
I can't. I legit went out and bought the bread from that lolsss Sold out in all the 7-11 for at least a month
They're not ready for product placement in Thai BLs 😂
"We're here for the LGBTQ+ representation not the moral representation" HAHHAHAHSJ Literally ME when I watched KinnPorsche for the first time
Oh i can not wait for them to meet Tanakun's character! 💀
Oh god yes 😂
Screaming 'Sebastian!!'
About Thai BLs - If you're looking for quality storytelling and good development of a gay relationship:
"I Told Sunset About You"
If you want something MESSY and entertaining:
"Only Friends"
Never watched Sunset I don’t know why and I love PPKrit energy, only Freinds is messy but Check out is worse, everybody in that series is red flag 🚩
Only friends was so boring tho.
IMO I told sunset about you and I promised you the moon falls more into queer story telling than BL... PP and Bilikin did an amazing job
Just add BL's that got the "Best Lgbtq programme in Asia" award:
1. A Tale of a thousand stars
2. Bad Buddy
3. Moonlight Chicken
-Miracle of Teddy Bear and To, Sir with love is good too if you like lakorn style drama
@@muciSADit wasn't to lots of people 🤷♀️
I don't know if anyone else has said it, but I wanted to point out that the actor who plays Tankhun, Tong, is an openly gay actor and activist who has been fighting for queer rights in Thailand for years.
One thing with Thai shows specifically, is that there is often a mix of very dark and serious moments and very comedic moments
One thing you should keep in mind and honestly what draws me and a lot of other queer people to bl/gl is that it's mostly there to entertain. I feel like especially with western queer media we all have gotten so fixed on the idea that every single queer character needs to represent actual real life queer folks. Thai bl/gl is a little different. Characters just happen to be queer. That doesn't mean they have to act a certain way. They're messy, often morally grey, a little over the top and so so fun to watch. Are Thai bl/gl shows perfect representation -whatever TF that even means lol - no probably not but they've given our community what we deserve. Entertaining media and lots of queer love stories we can laugh and cry and swoon over.
Kinnporsche is still one of my faves and I really hope y'all can just enjoy it for what it is😊
exactly! or in the new series "we are" all of them are gay/bi guys and no one is questioning them!
Well, it depends on the show as to whether characters come out or not etc. E.g. My Stand-In has a homophobic family. I do agree that the entertainment factor is what makes these bls (which is basically just gay romance) from Taiwan and Thailand so popular., because that is what so many want. Plus, the constant push for perfect representation is a dead end if you ask me. No show can do that. Plus, I have seen some pretty questionable examples of said representation,
@@inotaishu1 oh of course! There are a few shows that deal with issues such as homophobia, coming out and accepting who you are but it's definitely not as often as in western media and often times if the characters have issues in life it's not necessarily tied to their sexuality. And I agree. I think often the representation factor kinda kills creative freedom and fun/exciting story telling. I got so tired of western queer "rep" that I was almost dreading new releases. I hated that I couldn't enjoy media as a queer person so Thai BLS/gls opened this whole world up to me. Almost like a rainbow candy store I can go in and just pick whatever I'm craving you know? Idk if that even makes sense lol
@@Kimiblues "I got so tired of western queer "rep" that I was almost dreading new releases. "
Trust me, I know that feeling. And especially when the main characters are "queer", it is as if so many writers and showmakers have a very very tied to certain types of stories and even character traits. To give an example: I know of one gay comic book writer, who, whenever he writes gay characters, they are incredible stereotypes, but when he writes straight characters, they are actually three-dimensional people. Possibly because he thinks he has to write in a certain way or maybe his own head is full of stereotypes.
@@inotaishu1 yes exactly! I mean surely Thai shows aren't free of stereotypes but at least characters get to be more than just queer and I appreciate that.
Product placement in Thai bls often makes me die laughing bc of how blatant it is and just the way it gets placed in the story. But product placement cracks me up in general like Toyota in teen wolf and myfi in the vampire diaries
Can't wait till they get to the best bread product placement one can ever ask for in KP 😏
Kinn Porsche's that bread is iconic 😂
KinnPorsche gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Gay Mafia"
they are literally the definition of "be gay, do crime" lmao💀
Oh my god!!🤣🤣🤣
About it feeling like ownership, get used to it. Kinn, Tankhun, Macau, Vegas (and Kim, the younger brother) are all mafia heirs. They do not follow society's normal moral code, and the bodyguards are there to serve and die for them. They are essentially human shields. We will see they vary in the treatment of the bodyguards and the lines they cross, but these men are trained and sworn to take bullets for the members of the mafia. Kinn is the de facto heir of the major family (Tankhun is older, but he has PTSD so duty falls to Kinn). Vegas is the heir of the minor family, and he is below Kinn.
The actor that plays Tanakun, Tong or P'Tong since he is older than me (In Thailand you put the P in front of the name when someone is older than you) is actually queer in real life and came out at one of the events with the cast. It was a really beautiful moment :) A few years back he also adopted a son which he sometimes shares on his Social Media. Mostly for important events or steps in his life. I loved his character in KP and I know he enjoyed it so much. He also became a BL novel writer which means I hope that one day he gets to produce one of his own stories into a Series or Movie :)
Enjoy the rest of your KP journey, it's definitely worth it! I'll be tuning in for the rest of this.
I didn't know he writes too. I hope BoC will do one of his stories
@jessicaleser8822 Let's hope he gets that chance. He is doing so much good for the people around him. He deserve to be the one receiving it :)
Basically, BL drama, especially Thai BL, is "spot the straight character" 😂 since everyone is 🏳️🌈
These past few years, we have had a growing number of GLs! And even sometimes Gays, Lesbians and BIs in ONE drama! (example: I feel you linger in the air series)
P.S. You gonna LOVE ep3 :)
And in KP especially it's also "spot a woman" game, right? i mean, there are some, but the characters dont even have names, because they are so minor....
@eh8035 oh sh!t!!! I forgot!
Maybe because in recent Thai dramas, I see more and more women, I forgot how rare they were in those early years!! XD, especially in KP. I only remember the badass mafia secretary, Porsche's ##### (as not spoil but you know WHO), the bar owner and..... those girls that Porsche banged/flirted? Edit: oh and the Assassin.
Honestly, these past months, as we have more GLs and even more GLs in BL drama, we might go with:
"Find the straight character who ISN'T a parent and/or so minor in role" XD
But give it a couple of years and even the parents come out as lgbt+!! XD
You should watch Deep Night tons and tons of representation
Ps, no episode 11 curse
@pandaroo7053 Thanks, I will. :)
Oh no! Not the episode 11 curse! XD it's a genre by itself xlXD
@@SurStormy-cj6pu it truly is 😭
The thing about BL is: Queerness just is. There is no default to cis heteronormativity, the default is Queer. And thats why its so refreshing. Queer people exist, and in most cases (about 95%) there is no real conflict because of their sexuality. Its all drama from other things.
I have never thought of that. but that's so true. Like with BL and GL the default truly is queer. When you put it like that it makes absolute sense why a lot of people relate and enjoy it, especially those in the community.
Both of you do NOT FORGET “BAD BUDDY SERIES”
BL WHICH IS SO DEARLY LOVED INTERNATIONALLY.
Their OST (sung by one of the lead) I can’t even begin how famous it is.
In real life played by two best friends whose chemistry set the bar real high.
Also said to have the best onscreen bl kiss ever.
The director P aof is also the director of tale of thousand stars he even did a crossover in a special ep “our skyy 2”
Also it wud be a crime to start any other bl without starting with bad buddy. You have to start with it and then follow with the other series mentioned below by other fans.
Yessssss
Tankhun is everyone's favorite ❤❤❤❤😂😂
I like him when he is with Vegas 😂😂 they just make me laugh 😂😂
tankhun is hilarious. He's so gay, yet so innocent. Everyone is basically gay in this series, which is fun because all the different relationships have a different kind of feel to them.
The beauty of Thai BLs is that in this world, they dont question their sexuality. Its just kinda like a given that they are queer, and no one gives a shit. Like there are no women characters in this, except for maybe 1 or 2 very minor characters. Like all of them are gay, in different shades. All the family that is. And noone is gonna be questioning it. even other dramas that are more rooted in reality, they dont angst too much on the sexuality part, but more about the romance of it. take note though that most BLs are geared for women, so that place a big role on romance more vs the process of coming out. anyway, cant wait for episode 3.
there are more women and trans women in BL nowadays as side couples in f/f and f/m ships
@@HangryKitsune that honestly is a recent development. Even in this, trans women are still used as a comedic characters. But with new and more diverse stories of the ever expanding Thai BL, a lot of women, trans and queer identity and included and we love that!
#Possible spoilers#
Well the younger characters are gay but not the older characters like Kinn's father due to the fact he, his brothers and cousin have talked about their mothers.
Since people are throwing BL / GL / QL recommendations around, here are mine I rec from Thailand:
- The Sign the series (it's free on yt. it has thai mythology, criminal investigation and some genderqueerness, genderfluidity going on for one of the mains, also has a transwoman played by a transwoman in a side couple)
- Manner of Death (mafia, crime investigation where a doc teams up with the main suspect to solve a murder case, because the police is garbage in this one)
- Not Me the series (also on yt, is about a twin impersonating his brother who got beaten in a coma, now he's joining his bros human rights activist biker gang as a mole to find the one who hurt his brother. is very LGBTq+ activism and thai politics themed but with romance in between of course. one iconic scene has a giant pride flag that is the original flag they use in Bangkok pride parade)
- Pit Babe the series (haha that one is a bit wild but good. it's the very first omegaverse (but only with alphas) TV show. But it's actually more about car racing with a bit of super powers and some illegal stuff happening they fight against but I can't say cause it's a spoiler )
- A Tale of Thousand Stars (on yt as well. no crime here... oh well a little bit but this one is definitely more on the wholesome side, starts a bit sad tho. rich kid travels to a rural village to become a teacher and fulfill his heart donors last wish but finds also love as well)
The police may be garbage in Manner of Death, but boy do they have some nice-fitting tight pants. Oops, sorry, I'm in full KP mode.
@@issey1456 haha yes we called Inspector M "Inspector Beefcake" 😏
In BL World, everyone is queer until proven otherwise, If a character dates women, they usually are bi or pan or whatever, BL have it's own unique tropes, it's really fun, and yeah, KinnPorsche can be very campy at times, (I like it)
Kinnporshe was so popular at its premiere that it later had its Kinnporshe Word tour ! Bonus fact: the actor who plays tankhun is openly gay and adopted a child and is raising him as a single parent. ❤
Tankhun is very over the top, but there's a reason for it. (I love that Jeff Satur was in consideration for this role. There are clips on line. 😂) But seriously though, Tankhun is the GOAT. He's the older brother btw. Kinn is the middle child.
I, for one, find it hilarious that all the sons in this family are gay like truly the "your bloodline ends with us, old man" ahh generation
Edit: Also fun fact! Tong, the actor playing Tankhun, is queer himself, wrote a queer novel AND has an adoptive son and they are super cute (he also got into acting kinda by accident) and over the years became quite the person, he even had a speech at the parliament when the equal marriage bill passed earlier this month!!
Lol yes I heard he was just walking by the auditions for TharnType and they were like, "hey, you look like an older brother, c'mere!"
KinnPorsche as a first BL is INSANE🤣"Gay Mafia"🥰.
It's quite a surprise to me some people were complaining about choosing KP, as regards thai BL industry, I think KP is one of the most popular and high budget thai BL series ever made. I personally think it's one of the best I've seen up to date.
I feel like it’s because BL already has a bad rep for being morally questionable and super explicit (I don’t see anything wrong with explicit content personally), so people say to start out with other things that won’t turn people off.
I am living to see Josh change his mind about the series... Believe me, you WILL get invested...
An amazing Korean BL that came out this year is 'Love for Love sake' . As to Thailand and sexualy. It is much more loose than the west. Everyone is a bit queer. And it is just the norm. As they have resisted colonialism. And the repression of sexuality.
ikr!! it's so hard so spot a straight guy in thailand lmao (i love that)
It is also very trans friendly.
Iam sorry love for love sake is not good at all especially if we consider the amount of toxity in that drama .
@@Nain06 huh what toxicity..
Thanks for that @@Nain06
one of my favorite bl's is "old fashioned cupcake", but it's very rarely mentioned. there are no fights and intrigues, sudden plot twists, just a show with which you can spend your evening pleasantly and warm your heart🫂
it's the best Japanese bl show for me
@@AliceGreen-ke7sx
i'm glad 🤭
I think you'll enjoy Our Dining Table and What did you eat yesterday (if you haven't seen them already).
@@muciSAD
i know about this, I have a huge list of things to watch hahaha, although i'm taking a break now because some of them break my heart. thanks for the recommendation. i need another life just to watch all the movies/series/anime...
You are not prepared for what is coming 😂😂😂
Please keep going with this.
KinnPorsche is morally grey, yes, but honestly so are SO many other BL series too. I would almost say most of them has some grey issues to, if you actually look at it, but so does straight series. KinnPorsche is just quite dark grey, since it's mafia/action themed, but this series also has some of the most romantic moments I have ever seen in a series that will make you melt 😊
Also, I mentioned in a comment on previous episode, BoC (production company) allows you to show 60% of a KP episode in these YT videos. Just blur the screen or edit out anything explicit (kissing is oki to show).
Oh, these early episodes are so light-hearted and funny. 😊 I love re-watching this (for the 30th+ time).
you guys should react to "his man" it's a korean gay dating show but it's so much more respectful and wholesome then western dating shows in my opinion :)
You should try watching "Sparks Camp" ( Philippines), if you haven't yet. Different, but nice too.
The under the water meme is universal at this point
Thai BL is always a circle of gays with a single straight friend😂 and sometimes they don't always have that friend haha
I'm glad you guys are enjoying KP so far. If you continue to explore BL i would definitely recomend trying BLs from other countries. There is a distinct difference between them from storylines, how they are shot, etc. and if you took out the language you can still tell. This is a rough generalisation (and my personal opinion):
Thailand: Basically the King of BL with a huge range of genres, though sometimes can be more quantity over quality, but many real gems out there. Shows don't tend to have a focus on discovery of queer identity and characters just are. Lots of shows in high school and Uni setting but has dipped toes into pretty much every genre out there. Tend to be longer with 12ish episode 1hr each and lots of product placement. Heat/explicit levels vary depending on the show though Thailand does tend to produce some of the most explicit BLs. (Recs: Not me, Cutie Pie, Until we meet again)
Korea: Probably the highest standard of production value overall but also most are short series of 6-10 episode only 30mins each. Also don't see product placement much here. Stories tend to focus in schools again and the BL country that is most likely to have storylines about discovery of queer identity and acknowledgement of homophobia though still lots of cute ones. Storylines tend to be "safer" overall with less exploration of genre. KBLs tend to be the most conservative with intimacy and kissing scenes though they have gotten better in recent years. (Recs: Love for Loves Sake, Semantic Error, Eighth Sense)
Japan: Definitely your go it if looking for mature characters. Lots of JBL feature characters in their mid 20s - late 30s dealing with life in office jobs though there is of course schoolboy ones as well. Solid overall production value but short with most being 6-8 episode of 30 mins each. There is a certain quirk to the humour thats hard to describe but is very distinct. Also heat/explicit levels jump from super chaste to some of the horniest out there. (Recs: Love is better the second time around, Old Fashioned cupcake, Perfect Propose)
Taiwan: I find it a mix of the three previous countries. Production value is more middling and ranges from 6-20 episode 30 mins each. Queer identity as part of the storyline really depends on the show but Taiwan has a lot more complex storylines in a range of genres (they also like their mafia stuff), family also tends to be a core theme in stories. Heat levels tend to be in the middle but again depends on the show. (Recs: We best love (Both seasons), Kiseki Dear to me, Unknown).
Love that Tankhun is here now 🙌
He was my favourite character in the series and will be serving looks for the rest of the show 💁♀️
Arm, Tankhun and Tay are the faves for me~.
(Arm being the gent in glasses with the guns, he proves to be an amazing friend to Kinn. He also is Tankhun's official bodyguard with Pol. Tay is Kinn's silver haired friend. We love Tay. Tay is a giant green flag. And Tankhun cause he's Tankhun. I also really love Chan, who is the older gentleman who is the leader of the bodyguards. His nickname in the fandom is Daddy Chan. Daddy Chan is perpetually exhausted someone please let him take a nap.)
I appreciate that at the start, you seem to have read or have had someone read all of the comments we made under the previous video. It is very encouraging that when we write here, the info does sometimes get back to you so you can have more info about how to approach a topic or genre that might be newer to you culturally or societally.
If you ever wanted to get into korean BL, “love for love’s sake” storyline is so unique! (Atleast to me) the description with ZEROOO spoilers is about this guy finding himself transported into a video game and his sole mission is to bring happiness to the other main character, or else he’ll die. And he also has to figure out HOW he was transported there and wtf will he do.
I absolutely love that you diving head first into the BL universe! KinnPorche is one of my favorite series in Thai BL, yes there are some morally grey moments but I think the show does a good job a confronting them. One series I would love to see you react too is Love in the air, following two main couples. Welcome to the BL family ❤️
I feel like you should watch moonlight chicken at some point- it bridges the gap Between western and Thai queer media well… a little more true to life but still classic bl troupes and of course every body and their mother is gay 🤣🙌 the Thai people know how to throw a queer little shindig
The point is that in KP, being queer is just one more part of the caracter and the romance are building to be also one part ofthe show. The drama, crime, thing, everything is so well balanced, well acted, is one of the best bl ever!❤
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS SERIES IS VERY MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE USUAL BL SERIES !!!
Tankhun and Vegas are the best imho, but this whole cast was so good. I need to rewatch the series again.
I would like you to meet Kim the youngest and most mysterious character of all..... He even makes his own dad cautious of him. He seems to know even more than Kinn but he doesn't jump in unless there is any kind of benefit for him. But damn he knows his dad's dark side more than anybody else. He is calculative, manipulative and very secretive. Even in the novel Dad believes Kim is the heir that can not only keep the mafia afloat but make it grow. But nothing ever goes against his wish. He is very logical and has firm control over his emotions. Only Tanakhun (eldest son) is aware that he is very nosy unlike others who believe he is just an artist.
The Sign, Last Twilight, or Until We Meet Again should be next if you continue your Thai BL journey LOL
Oh and hunting for product placements will become your new norm 😅
I recommend The Eight Sense and Bad BUDDY
Sailing down the Chao Phraya river on my way to Wat Arun in Bangkok playing Jeff Satur's Why Don't You Stay was one of the highlights of my life, driving a scooter around the university campus in Chiang Mai and play Britney Spears' Toxic is another one 😂
im waiting for the twice a week upload of this show so baad
Not me waiting impatiently for u guys to react to Ep3... I CAN'T WAIT
I've been watching bl for around 4 years now, and I don't even give a second thought on how open and apparent everything is, as it's just part of most of the shows, and I love it. I'm really glad that you've chosen to watch bl's and I hope you give other series a chance after this one... as with others saying maybe not the best one to start with (just down to the dark parts) but I did really enjoy watching when it aired. May be get a few bl series names and do a poll on which bl to watch next as I'm sure we all have a few favourites that we would love you to react to
Boys its a remember BL WORLD.. in this world people just are .. they are telling stories and the characters happen to be of the LGBTQ + community ( and you will see almost every representation there is ) ... and the genre will vary from Mafia , horror , university , high school .. you will see dark to cute and fluffy . .... you can watch by trope as well... Rich Daddy , Enemies to Lovers, Romance , comedy ... . I guess you guys miss my comments ... DO NOT watch through a WESTERN Lens
They're about to meet tankhun and Vegas ! I can't !!
As for the title they chose for this reaction : "Back with Thai BL and bodyguards" , I wonder how they would have felt like if they had started with Unforgotten Night . Alex would have been killing it I think.
Story that is not in the series:
They are a mafia family, each child is born rich and is encouraged to build their own strength, until one day the family was out of control, with a main branch and several secondary branches, until Kinn's father decided to unify everything and he went out killing anyone who didn't agree (uncles and cousins) after several years of unification, the younger brother asked for permission to form the second family and Kinn's father allowed it
KinnPorsche is ethically wild like Interview with the Vampire is. Mafia members and vampires don’t play by the same rules as average citizens and struggle to have non-toxic relationships with each other. I think if you can watch IWTV, you’ll be fine.
Fun fact about the the choking scene: Apo (Porsche) teache Mile (Kinn) how to choke him "correctly" 👀😜
Like Kinn was "really choking Porsche, of course Mike didn't apply pressure but yeah 👀🥵
You guys are hilarious and I have fun rewatching the series with you. Hope you don't get scared off the darker parts and drama bits of the series and pull through to the end ;)
Love to see new people getting into BL :)
Just a few more facts on BL for you (as someone who studies the genre and Thailand. You can also find a lot of essays on the genre as it has been very seriously studied for the last 5 years or more):
1- BL rarely say that this or that character is gay, characters are always implied and showed as gay but rarely labelled as one. Regardless of BL popularity and the recent law for same sex marriage, Thailand is still not very open on the subject (the gouvernment sees BL as a way to expand its international influence and as Thailand soft power). BL are not fighting for the LGBTQ+ communty's rights, they're only here for entertainment. Also, BL depict romances between beautiful men (handsomeness is actually one criteria to chose the actors) in a world were the LGBTQ+ community is perfectly respected and accepted. In that way, very few BL show the struggles of coming out or being accepted as who we are
2- BL are mainly written and thought for a female audience
3- you rarely see female characters and if you see some they are minor characters with little impact on the plot
4- Thai acting and story telling is very different from Western norms. Screams, loud shouts, overreacting and overacting is very common
Regarding the 1st point, I think things have changed quite a bit in the recent years where even local people know about bl and support it (I've seen several thai bl actors talk about it).
I dont think it's right to say that bl rarely shows LGBTQ+ struggles cuz there's like 100s of them talking about manyyy different topics, even things that might be often overlooked. One thing I've heard from a lot of queer people watching bl content is that they don't want all the stories to talk about the same thing, this is one of the reasons why many queer people are starting to enjoy bls and gls... also there's plenty of shows depicting the fear of coming out. (U can see people talking about this topic in the comment section as well)
Also being attractive is a criteria to be an actor/actress in most filming industries?? Atleast that's what I've seen in Asian media, idk about the west.
And yes bls were made for the female audience INITIALLY but the industry is slowly changing and we are seeing so much growth in so less time so let's not stereotype this industry, it will only turn people away.
i like this show but my favs are only friends which is quite messy and the eclipse which is softer but still adventorous. really good representation is in moonlight chicken so i think you would love these
I am LIVING for these reactions omggggg you guys are so funny and I just finished my 4th kinnporsche rewatch!! please watch until the end I need to see it all
22:31 YES! Easily. And it's dangerous. It can be very hard to strangle someone but it also doesn't take long or much to accidently seriously harm someone from strangling them if you are cutting off air and/or blood to the brain.
It's one of those things that can go very wrong even when someone does it carefully for fun in bed with consent, even if it just play and not hard and not meant as actually strangle them but just simultating it you can still accidently seriously harm someone giving them brain damage or kill them if you push down the wrong way.
All of these handsome men already, and my favorite character hasn't even been introduced yet! Also, there's morally grey, and then there's...this. Don't say we didn't try to obliquely warn you!
These episodes are just a basement for the Tower... Keep going and than you will not be able to close your droped jaws. That's why i love this series 😅
They started in the world of Thai Bls on the right foot. KinnPorsche is without a doubt one of the best series ever made in Thailand, everything was carefully thought out to deliver something truly unforgettable and they really succeeded (I must confess that after seeing this one I have been more critical in relation to others) but don't forget to see others please, Thailand is full of good series, I will recommend some: Not Me, Bad Buddy, I Feel You Linger In The Air, Last Twilight, I Told Sunset About You and 1000 stars. I'm loving seeing your reaction!
One really good Thai bl is I told sunset about you, is a really visually pleasing show with good plot about discovering one self and is a little shorter( 5 ep with I think 50 Min each) but is a really good show that is more of a emotional one!!❤❤❤❤
I've rewatched KP so many times but your edits, funny comments and especially hearing your perspective on the series as first time BL watchers is making this the best rewatch!
Seriously, I can't wait for you to watch the rest of the series it gets better and better. I watched the whole series about 10 times one of my favourite bl series
You should definitely keep watching. The show is a whole rollercoaster ride of emotions
Tankhun is my favourite character, and the actor Tong who plays him is equally awesome. He did some cool educational videos whilst Kinnporsche was airing about sexuality and gender - he also came out shortly after Kinnporsche finished airing at one of the Kinnporsche World Tour stops, which is hella brave of him as there aren't many out actors in the thai bl industry (loads of directors and writers though).
You mentioned the contrast between seriousness and sitcom energy in the show, and the one thing that I felt held Kinnporsche back for me was the lack of consistency in direction. The show doesn't seem to know if it's a lakorn (thai soap opera), a dark mafia drama or something else sometimes which can work, but at other times it undermines the quality of the show for me.
one of the most popular and well known dark mafia drama series is the Yakuza videogame series, which also contrasts between deathly serious stories about topical political and moral events in Japanese society, and funni goofy slapstick. Honestly KPTS handles this balance very well, especially when you realize at the end what the true creeping horror is all about (NO SPOILERS)
I watched your reaction which in turn made me binge-watch the whole series and now I'm obsessed 😅
i think that that one of the best bls that shows good queer representation is Not Me, in my opinion it is an amazing bl !!!!!!!
Oh you guys have an uncut reaction OMG! That’s great!! Let’s me move there🤭🤭
Once you go down the BL route you can’t get out of it I’m addicted now 😂 kinnporsche is one of my favs it gets hotter and better throughout !
Specially you get into thailand, Taiwan and Korean bls and throw in some Philippines too. China has some good fake bromance bl but only a few. 😂😂
Im unbelievably excited watching you watch Kinnporsche. The weeks are really going to drag waiting for each reaction to come out. 😭
IM SO EXCITED FOR EP 3 😭
I have some show recommendations:
Never Let Me Go
Pit Babe
The Eclipse
Not Me
Bad Buddy
Moonlight Chicken
Wandee Goodday (Currently Ongoing)
My Stand-In (Currently Ongoing)
Cherry Magic (Japanese and Thai)
My Love Mix-Up (Japanese and Thai)
Semantic Error (Korean)
The Eighth Sense (Korean)
Very good shows, highly recommend. (Most of the shows listed can be found on the GMMTV YT channel for free. :))) And, imma tell you, I have a bingo list of tropes I’ve created whenever I watch a BL. “Sponsorships in show” is one of them. “Side pair/character superiority” is also on the list.
My question would be for you two is who is currently your favorite character while watching KinnPorsche? Love that you guys are enjoying the show, looking forward to the next episode!
i can't wait for y'all to reach ep 4 😌
Don’t forget watch the OST AS WELL THEY ARE AS IMP AS THE EPISODES. Thai bl songs play a huge part coz it’s sung by the leads or one of the main cast. Who btw is a huge star there in Thailand Jeff Satur.( one of the main cast)
Aaaah Jeff Satur he is dreaaaamyyyyy 😅
They literally have the best ost
I CANNOT wait for you to see the next episodes. Lol, i remember having my mind blown when I was watching KinnPorsche (and anticipating each new episode).
And by the way, no, not all BLs are like this that are like, everybody accepts that almost all the characters are queer. But it's one of the reasons why KP is one of the good ones for me. Because as Alex said in the ep 1 reaction, it's a story about mafia and all that other shit, and they all just happen to be queer. (But a staple in most BLs are that - you have to spot which characters are straight, rather than the other way around 😆)
Also, a good representation here too. Because all the couples are different, their dynamics are very different from each other, so you're gonna see different types of relationship too.
Oh and the product placement (we call them PPL here in Southeast Asia) for this episode is the bread, yes. Lol.
Kinnporsche is my first and favorite BL - while it's not perfect, no other BL has appealed to me as much. I hope you'll react to the other episodes! Otherwise, I commend to your attention Jeff Satur, who plays Kinn and Tankhun's younger brother and will appear more in future episodes. He's an amazing singer and artist, he composed the song for Kinnporsche (Why Don't You Stay) and has been picking up award after award in Thailand lately. His other great songs are Fade, Ghost, Dum Dum and more, he also collaborates with other interesting artists and has a lot of amazing covers. 🙂
Just finished these series by two days and it's one of the best BL's so far, can't wait for you to keep watching this one!
The bit about changing between funny and serious moods quickly is so true, and if you watch any kdramas they do the same too. I didn't notice until a friend pointed it out,
Can’t wait for the next episodes reactions!!!! You guys make me smile and crack up! Love BL!
Cher, (I believe) is identified as “ladyboy” in Thailand. It’s an actual term they use in Thailand.
And yes, spot the straight is pretty accurate.
You guys are hilarious and this is a great reaction. I can't wait to watch the rest of your kinnporsche reactions. I discovered BL a year ago and have been loving exploring the genre since then. It is a very diverse genre and each country has its own flavor to it. There are also HUNDREDS of BLs out there, so whatever you want to watch gay romance wise, you can find it. It's been a year and I've gotten through 30 so far, still so many to go lol but I am loving the ride. It's so healing as a queer person to just have so much queer romance and this world of love and acceptance I can just escape into when I need it. After you've tackled Thai BL, I recommend exploring japanese BL, which are my personal favorite. Japanese BLs are a lot less bombastic and a lot more restrained than Thai ones. They are grounded and more realistic, have terrific acting, and just have a more artistic and atmospheric feel to them. My absolute favorites are Our Dining Table, My Beautiful Man, End of the World with You, Old Fashion Cupcake, at 25:00 in Akasaka, and the most famous, Cherry Magic. Lots of beautiful yearning and definitely make me cry sometimes.
You guys wre going to love that " product placement" in episode 8 😂😂😂😂
wait until they get to episode 3 and 4 😀
Yeahhh!
Yeah, I'm not sure they were told how episode 1 and 2 are never rated as high as the rest of the series . They are rather messy, with a lot of characters ( and some hints) being introduced but scenes and moods are a bit all over the place .
People usually start getting really interested from episode 3 on.
I couldn't stop laughing, had to stop every two seconds to take a breath 😂
Love your reaction❤
I personally like that in Bl´s pretty much everyone is queer and nobody questions anyting because it leaves out the drama and trouble of having to come out to everyone. And when the characters do come out, it usually goes with them coming out and their family being like "Oh, alright. We love you anyways, thanks for telling us." I feel like they save me a lot of anxiety lol. All the drama and story comes from the relationship itself and not the fact that they are queer.
I knew Alex would find the apple situation hot ..hahahah BTW By the end of KP Alex will be considering moving to Thailand and after he has been introduced to the GMM Boys .. Josh will be doing these reviews ALONE!!!!
He'll be craving Thai bread, and watching interviews in languages he doesn't comprehend soon , I think ! Let's just hint at Sign having the equivalent of mermaids, and that's a done deal.
there are so many things in this show that i cannot WAIT to see your reactions to omg
Your reaction to Kinnporche is giving me life 🤩 I'm so happy you're enjoing it, BLs have some magic ingredients, you can't get enough of it once you start it, expecially thai ones
I watched your previous reaction to ep 1 earlier today and immediately shared it with my KinnPorsche fandom friends. You're both hilarious. So looking forward to seeing your reactions to episode 3!
Tankhun's actor has an adopted son irl and it's soo cute to see him raising his son right! He plays in other BLs too, such as TharnType (Tharn's older brother, Thorn) and I believe one where he is a lead but I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, he's an amazing actor. One of my faves!
I really enjoyed you guys reacting to it. I hope you make reaction videos of rest of eps too
Just came back from London Pride
I'M SO GLAD THIS IS THE FIRST THING I WATCH
in BL it is pretty common for most of the characters to be some kind of queer.