Why Jody Allen fired Pete Carroll after the best 14 years in Seattle Seahawks' history
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Thank you Greg for this great summary. Best analysis I've seen about what happened and why. Really appreciate it!
Should have been fired after he called a pass instead of giving the ball to Marshon Lynch at the goalline.
Stumbled across your podcast as I live in Seattle now for past 30 years and have been a season ticket holder since Lumen Field was built. Loved this video…your analysis was topnotch… am a new subscriber now! Keep up the good work!
Poor coordinator hires over the last 8 years, got him. Let me repeat, over the last 8 years.
I wouldn’t call it 14 years of success it’s been mediocre for the last six years. If he made the playoffs it was one and done.
Please stop with the facts those always get in the way
Seahawks you guys just screwed up Pete Carroll is the best coach that the team has ever had im NOT A Seahawks fan but Pete Carroll is a stand-up person. You guys need to open your eyes.
Players would not be happy playing for Harbaugh..
Nor the fans
I'm a Seahawks fan from Arizona, and Seattle is lucky to have had coach Carroll for 14 seasons I just wish it was longer. Coach Carroll was a class act! Go Hawks
With the exception of the "legion of boom" days, the Seahawks have perpetually suffered from offensive line problems. I don't know if it has been the personnel mix, the direct strategies, the inability to keep opponents second-guessing how to stack their defensive backfield, or what. You'd think with a receiver corps of Metcalf, Lockett, Smith-Njigba, and Bobo that defenses would be off guard and open up lots of opportunities for ground gains. And on the other side, Walker and Charbonnet are a formidable combination in the offensive backfield, and that should have safetys, CLBs and other linebackers playing back to defend against the pass so that the OL could provide the QB with protection as well as fewer people on the line to displace for running plays. It might come down to a play list that just doesn't provide the unknowns. Defenses seem to be able to sniff out Seattle's plays and make defensive calls and adjustments with better than average accuracy. On the defensive side, there's all those missed tackles. It can't be that the players can't tackle. So it must be the lack of a coordinated strategy, or failure to establish cohesion as a unit. I think management wants a more modernized, creative approach to play design, offensively and defensively.
Bring on offensive genius Ben Johnson please - what he did in Detroit was phenomenal and NOBODY is hiring defensive minded Head Coaches anymore! It's a total sea-change towards the offensive side.
Yes please... I don't want another defensive minded coach, and the way Schneider has been drafting (fine, Carroll got his way with Witherspoon) it 100% seems Seattle's direction is going to be just that. Their offense is STACKED outside of guard/QB... time to pull the trigger.
Just no to Harbaugh. No no no no
Why?
Lol I can appreciate your comment. I dont like the person he is when he’s on the sideline, but bottom line is he wins. I don’t think he’ll come to Seattle , so dont stress too much.
You're thinking with your emotions
Never happen. Jim H. + Snyder = poison.
Thanks for the report. Just subscribed.
Actually, Pete changed his philosophy on defense, going from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and they subsequently dropped to 30th against the run in that two year span. So, saying that Dan Quinn would be a continuation of Pete's defensive philosophy is NOT accurate and instead would be more in line with the amazing defenses that took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl.
Damn Quinn would be a massive downgrade he’s proven to be incompetent as a HC without a Shanahan running his offense , without Kyle he was terrible. He won’t be able to compete in the NFCW next year with roster in need of a rebuild.
I agree the change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 made it worse and Dan Quinn could build a better defense as a head coach, his current position under McCarthy probably hinders him to build a better defense in Dallas because McCarthy isn't known for having strong defense on any of his other teams. I don't think Seattle's offense is that bad that they need to make a change there , we don't really know if Shane was handcuffed by Carroll , they certainly did not use their tight ends nearly enough and when they did run 13 personnel they were very good just not enough. They brought Waldron in to make a more creative offense but there was no defense good enough to take more risks and to allow the offense to get creative because they couldn't get their defense off the field and when that happens you are playing catch up and that always changes your play calling.
Not that simple. As Pete would say when asked, repeatedly, his "new" 3-4 had lots of elements of his old 4-3. What Quinn had that Pete didn't recently was more talented players who were viciously competitive. I tend to agree we need a break from the Pete defensive traditions. And perhaps a head coach with experience as an offensive guy.
This is absolutely 💯 true. 4-3 is far superior in stopping the run and pressuring the qb. Especially when you have a great LB group and some good safeties and good corners. 3-4 puts too much pressure on LBs having to take on extra blockers and have to clean up the run game a few yards down field with safeties coming in to help and that Became very taxing on our secondary.. We're a only better defensive scheme and a few big run staffers away from being a formidable defense. On offense were a healthy online away from being a much more consistent offense with a lot of weapons. Now who they going to go for in the draft is the next question?! Obviously if we can get Penix to drop far enough to pick him I'd like that pick but we should definitely get some big boys on that Dline and find a good valued olineman for some depth. Next year is going to be very interesting that is for sure.
@Norcal85 how would quinn be a downgrade? He has history here. A little younger and better roster to work with than the falcons overall. This hawks team is pretty cohesive already. He'd be handed a better situation, a better culture and one's he's familiar with. Js. Your opinion is respectable, no question, it's just a completely different formula and although the falcons had a pretty good team and a great DC and OC they just didn't get the buy in like the Hawks have. I mean they did go 19 and 13 those 2 years but They didn't have the 12s. Sure they had Matt, Julio and freeman, Trufant but you can lead a horse to water you just can't make them drink. I just feel with more experience quinn may be our best fit. I really hate to say it but Harbaugh may be in the running but it would be very awkward. Lol He's a good coach tho. Just would be a bit weird. But those two are who I put my money on. That is if they're even interested. No real news yet.
The bad calls in the Dallas game, the mental errors in the final 49er's game. Would Pete still be a Hawk if they'd won those two games? Gotta wonder.
Rumor is Jody was actually really furious about the cigars in the locker room.
Media tried hiding the fact that it’s ILLEGAL to smoke in those buildings and tried gaslighting all criticisms.
Jody herself had to do some explaining on the teams behalf to some higher ups, and decided Pete doesn’t have a grip on the team any more.
Team owner should never be in that position.
People may be mad about this fact, but it’s actually completely understandable...Half Pete’s job is keeping the team in line, and he failed to do that...
As a 9er fan, I appreciate this coverage of Pete and the state of Seattle's franchise. All fans know Pete had Jimbo's number when Harbaugh coached the 9ers, which led to his axing. Pete will be a HOFer someday. And a proud fellow alumnus - both of us being UOP grads. #GoTigers. 🐯
I’m stoked for competitive Seahawks Niners games again.
@@FreshlySnipeslol same
Hmm, not sure if I agree the reason Harbaugh was let go was Pete Carroll, I think it was Harbaugh's GM backstabbing him and whispering in Jed York's ear to get rid of Harbaugh. It would be ironic for Harbaugh now to take over Seattle and make the 49ers lives miserable.😂
A very successful coach! One of my buddies at the gym said that he played 🏈at UOP with him. A Bay Area guy as am I and one day younger than I- 9/15/51 vs. my 9/14/51….
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🏈 *Pete Carroll's Departure from the Seahawks.*
- Discussion on Pete Carroll's firing and his desire to continue as coach.
- Insights into Carroll's end-of-season meeting and his vision for the team's future.
02:01 📉 *Decline in Seahawks' Defensive Performance.*
- Analysis of the Seahawks' defensive struggles, particularly against the run.
- Comparison of the Seahawks with NFC West rivals, indicating a widening gap.
03:40 🔄 *Seahawks' Decision for a Regime Change.*
- Explanation of the Seahawks' decision for a coaching change.
- Contextualizing the team's need for improvement to compete with division rivals.
04:08 🤔 *Future Coaching Prospects for the Seahawks.*
- Speculation on potential coaching replacements, including Dan Quinn and Jim Harbaugh.
- Discussion of Carroll's undefined future role with the Seahawks.
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Who can really replace Pete? He's an amazing coach! He will be missed
Sad sad sad. Imo they made wrong choice. Could have insisted on changes. Carroll is a Great human. I adored his energy & optimism. Legendary head coaches r not easy to find. My predictions: Jody Allen made wrong Choice.
“The Call” should have been a good enough reason to punt him.
Very interesting summary thank you
Love Pete but he got fired because we have been pretty stagnant for like 6 or 7 years just hovering around that last playoff spot and one and done if we did get in. It was just time for some new blood.
The legacy moves on! Greater thing about to happen!👍❤️🏈Go Hawks
The team turned into hot mess. It was time for a change. I want a coach that pays attention to detail. Pete repeated things that didn't work. Seahawks have a talented team see what new caching staff with play calling and defense.
If Harbaugh comes to Seattle then I will boycott all Seahawks games.
Pete had a good run, but he was getting stale / mediocre. As a Hawks fan, I want more than mediocrity - looking forward to a new era!
Sorry. I just don't think you'll ever see this type of run ever in your lifetime again. Even as an outsider Seahawks were fun to watch because of pc. Good luck, but I doubt you guys will ever make the super bowl again.
@@markc2940and what pie hole did you pull those stats from.
Every team. Changes coaches at some point. Denver went to 3 super bowls in the 80’s never won changes coaches and wins 2 in the 90’s. Happens all the time.
Yes that is true about Denver. Let's see if it happens for Seattle. When Pete leaves there is a massive void and not many coaches will ever fill it. Only time will tell.@@markdavis1116
@@markdavis1116Amazing what can happen when you get Elway a run game and defense. He was really good and a native of Port Angeles Washington.
@@markdavis1116If the Yankees can hire Billy Martin like 5 times and remain the world's most beloved franchise. Then why can't the Raiders rehire Gruden for the third time and remain the Raiders Mr. Mark Davis owner of the Raiders?😂
I get the feeling Jody's selling the team by 25' and this is a 1-2 year tryout for Schneider and whatever coach they bring to stay on to see if the organization can win without Carrol or if a house cleaning is necessary.
There's reason to think no: what qualified and desirable coaching staff person would accept a Hawks job knowing they are subject to firing within 2 years? Maybe more like 5 years? The Hawk's value increases a few hundred million annually.
I suspect the way it went down was that going into the meeting, Jody Allen and Pete Carol both wanted Pete to stay on as head coach. Jody, however, also came to the meeting with a mandate that some changes would need to happen to the coaching staff going forward. Pete being the person he is, with the importance he places on the family culture of his team and coaching staff, could not see a way through (or around) Jody's mandate. As the conversation progressed, I think they both, mutually, arrived at the decision that Pete would go.
That makes a lot of sense given his comments yesterday.
I think this makes sense, and I think (based on his comments) that they key was securing John Schneider's job as head honcho. Pete said, "you wanted to know the details? THAT (pointing to Schneider and referencing his statement that he's proud that John is getting the opportunity to be GM on his own (and remain with the team?)) THAT is why this happened. So I suspect that the narrative that this was a mutual decision was agreed to on the condition that John Schneider keep his job and continue what they're doing. "This isn't about me being the coach. This is about the good of the program."
naah..he was fired
You are wrong.
@@greasesicle lol deep!
At the end of the day, having repeat issues year after year of offenses that can't stay on the field and defenses that can't get off of it with multiple coordinators will fall on the HC. LOVE PETE, but I felt from about game 10 on that it was time for a change of guard. We owe a lot to Pete, and he helped bring us a SB but this eventually was going to have to happen in some form. I'm excited for a fresh take on things, this team is too talented. I trust Schneider to lead the way.
No grumpy old men! Coach Carroll showed us u could b positive, but good to people, have energy & win
Thank you
I think she did it because of the 49ers and the Rams 🐏 success. I think losing twice to the Rams was huge since this year was a rebuilding year for them and the team didn’t have a lot of picks compared to Seattle having all of those picks from Denver and didn’t make the playoffs. He is a good coach, but it was probably time to move on from Pete.
For all feeling terrible, i know, me too. But i blame those around him that werent critical enough to adapt the play scheme. Some people say he wasnt given enough time, but these issues have been hummin for many a year
I agree, since the days of Bevel, Pete has needed to make changes more quickly for poorly performing coordinators, but I think Pete is loyal to a fault, and unfortunately in business that's not acceptable. Man I hate business....
The problem is Hawks won't have any improvements with PC at this moment.
It's difficult to justify another chance for Pete considering his age + the defense he fielded for the past several years + the fact that Pete was a defensive expert not an offensive expert. And every year the NFL becomes more offense-oriented and less defense oriented. Pete's last offensive play faux pas in his last SB + Jim Harbaugh's last 3-4 offensive plays in Jim's only SB may be the two all-time worst offensive faux pas in all SBs. (Admittedly, Jim's faux pas may be worse because he called the same failed play at least 3 consecutive times; see Einstein's definition of insanity.) So yeah, it was time to fire Pete.
“I’ve worked in the private sector: they expect results.” R. Stantz
Millionaires corrupt; billionaires corrupt absolutely
Did you interview Allen?
People only mention the run defense...the pass defense was bottom 5 also...
Pete to the Chargers 😮🎉.... why not?.. he's awesome
No no, don't do that!
With just the trade capital alone made from the trade of Russell Wilson to Denver would have given Carroll an incredible opportunity to build an AWESOME team. Looks like he blew it since he missed the playoffs!
>60% win rate and another winning season... hope they have a plan cuz that man is NOT old. Pete's team was in a downward trajectory, of course.
Tough call.
Carroll talked management into trading Wilson. They got an awesome deal but, did not make any improvements on the field. He is done in Seattle.
Letting Pete go is an admission that the team is more than two years away that’s why they let Pete go. Might as well bring the guy in here for the long haul.
Hiring Harbaugh would be the ultimate slap in the face to Carroll. They hate each other.
Up up up never should have happened. This could be horrible. Take care Coach thank you
Thanks for the explanation. One question… why not get a new DC and keep Pete?
Finally we see ownership taking involvement. And I am surprised the GM is still there. Let’s go Jody !
She’s the next Jerry Jones..
It’s sad the rams are already ahead of u after a rebuild and losing to a 3rd string qb is pretty embarrassing
Went 2-4 in conference.
Jody may have dropped the hammer, but I seriously doubt she had much if anything to do with Carroll's dismissal. On on her best day,. she wouldn't know the difference between a football and a basketball.
He should have been let go after the Super Bowl
Good call Jody
No, bad on Jody. Does she seriously know what a football looks like? Wish we could fire Jody.
"THIS is why I think Paul Allen wanted his sports team sold😊
How can he fight for his job? ....did he say pretty please?....did he throw his hands in the air and say " awww c'mon man!"
As always, anyone can be replaced.There comes a time when we must all move on.Death proves that issue.
People forget a new coach a new staff usually.
The game is about winning. Carroll hasn’t done much of that recently.
It was good firing. Seattle was first in mfc west and drop 4 straight. First time with Pete as coach, losing twice to rams, losing 5 times in row to niners! Seattle has weapons on defense and offense but failed.
Nobody, Carroll or anyone else, can win big without a dependably consistent Quarterback, a good offensive line and an aggressively effective defense. The Hawks lack all three. They have a handful of good quality players, but overall are a mediocre team, as their season stats make clear. It will take more than a new coach to change that.
Wonder if they had given the ball to Marshawn? where would we be today?
To have done this now means Jody is not selling the team for a long time. Think about why...
Dan quinn is a mistake
If you draft great players especially a QB all will go well. If not your days are numbered. Just ask BB, MV, TL etc
Pete’s expiration date was way past expired
If Harbaugh comes to town it will.make the Hawks unwatchable for me and many I know. He is not liked here, and not welcome
My guess is, Pete carol wanted to stay with geno Smith and Drew lock and Jody said, that's not what I had in mind....
Dairy Queen should not be our next coach. Just say no to Mr. 28-3.
I don’t think it’s Quinn. Remember how we were blind-sided with Pete Carroll back in 2010? Seattle is excellent at being “hush hush”. I expect to be thoroughly surprised by the new hire.
Why let Carroll go?
She just wasn't doin it for me anymore.
Wouldn't it be ironic Jim Harbaugh comes into Seattle to make the 49ers lives a misery after how things ended up in the bay and the way he was pushed out.😂
It’s was quite simple what they needed to do with that 5th overall pick and they didn’t do it and they haven’t done especially with in the draft for a while. Thats Pete’s fault.
Thanks Pete Carroll. You've been a great in the north west. You're going to be missed.
Love my seahawks .
Petes plan gets paid doesnt have to coach he just says that he wants to coach
What are you talking about Greg? Why would the Seahawks want to hire Harbaugh or Saban? They are worn-out old treads too. Age 60 and 72 respectively. Time for some new young blood.
The writing was on the wall, you could see it coming. He's lost his sight on the draft being away from college ball.
Dang sound like the same exit they gave B-wagz!
MicroSoft AI is the new head coach.
this guy has the personality of an ashtray.
Hardly all 14 could be the best...maybe a handful.
I forgot about Vulcan - those were the derps that ruined the Blazers.
I feel like the Front Office must have a couple of coaches in mind. And they thought there is an opportunity to get someone while they are available now, rather than wait another year.
Otherwise, why not et Pete finish his contract?
The Coach Seattle wants I feel, has already been chosen. Dan Quinn is just a “smoke screen”. I bet the transition started when they lost to Pittsburgh.
I think the bad calls back in November set the scene. It was the beginning to try to get the Seahawks out and Coach Pete.
Pete is smart. This way, he isn't resigning. He still gets paid as per his head coach employment contract next season(s) until the contract expires.
Seahawks should have fired the General Manager also.
Pete sucked at clock management, 2nd and dumb, was the eye opener to that, a minute was wasted trying to get to the ball. Hard to keep track of all the other times
Funny how he didn't even mention Bill Belichick, whose defense intercepted the ball at the goal line by Malcolm Butler and put an end to the Seahawks season in winning a Super Bowl
Funny how you didn't mention Russell Wilson being the one who threw the interception that lost us the Super Bowl.
@pchinnIII yeah that was an awesome game, great interception by Malcolm Butler
It was the weakest part of Wilson's passing game. Shitty clock management, they lost a minute getting to the ball after the big reception.
Stop with the Dan Quinn inquiry. Shanahan was the coach during the Falcons tenure.
I don't want Dan Quinn either, I don't think. And I can see why people think he'd be more of the same. But it's also slightly lazy analysis, I mean it does sound like he has branched out quite a bit.
Not Jim.... Not Jim... not the big baby that likes to throw a tantrum on the field. Getting rid of Pete was not the right call, giving him one more year to turn it around and letting him know that would have been the better call. If Jim is the new HC, I'll be taking his years off from being a fan, sorry but I can't do it.
Now is the time - lots of coaches available and more importantly a good draft for QB's. No-one, offensive or defensive, young or old, wins today without a standout QB. Geno not the answer. Trade up and ge your next QB.
I am 100% in complete agreement with that sentiment. Can't stand hairball, it would make the team unwatchable, not only because of the personality you so accurately explained, but also because that would be the ultimate slap in the face to Pete, two reasons the Hawks would be unpalatable to watch
Speaking of tantrums, ever watch Bobby Ross when he was coaching the Chargers?
He's an old Man !!
Give someone else a chance
Releasing Pete is like losing your wallet.
Yes with a expired credit card.lol
If Ben Johnson( Lions OC) is as confident leading team meetings and deciding on what to in game situations ie, go for it on 4th down, weather to challenge a play or not, as he is calling the game as OC, he in my opinion is the choice. I think many defensive coordinators would love to work with a young 38 year old Johnson. Number 1 reason, in most games, if you hold the opposition to 24 points or less, you're probably going to win. I could come up with many more positives. There is the unknown for me, is he a leader of wealthy, alpa males. Can he make Super Stars listen. St. Brown is the only star, and he doesn't act like one.
Jody Allen has made herself the most hated woman in Seattle!
Are you kidding? Pete needed to go. His play calls have always been the same and it's clearly not working. We need new ideas for this team. Hopefully the next coach can do so.
He did not get Fired!
Great reporting.
They are firing all the white coaches...
Carroll tried to muscle his way in. Its the right move.
Maybe we just reached a time where these young players who didn't perform for him also just stopped listening to him that is the players fault not Pete's that with the most injuries we have had in years so they also couldn't stay healthy all year and when Nwosu went down then they could not stop the run after that and went on a losing streak that injury alone was detrimental to the season and Pete's job because if he doesn't go down we stop the run then we win a few of those games at least and Pete still has his job because we are in the playoffs. Go get Harbaugh he is the best guy.
It was time
Dan Quinn....might as well keep Pete. What about Eric Bieniemy? Or Harbaugh.