KPOP body culture is the grossest thing i've seen in a long time.
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KPOP culture seems to be quite scary, in the sense that these idols have to adhere to such strict beauty & body standards despite what they may look like naturally, and it clearly takes its toll on their health and wellbeing. CHILDREN undergoing cosmetic surgery in a bid to look more 'KPOP' and have a better chance at joining a KPOP group when they grow up, to idols being forced to lose 7kgs in one week... it's concerning.
KPOP has taken the world by storm and for good reason - but the unrealistic beauty and body standards that come along with it need to change.
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I think the recent Kardashian weight loss is due to the popularity of K-Pop and the Kardashians' attempt to stay relevant to a younger demographic by adopting the K-Pop body standard.
Kim just had a reduced implant surgery
@@irishboiani4970 because no one speaks how its dangerouse to have implants . so many women are removing them now because of health problems
@@Kateaustralia yes indeed!!
Or maybe that's a come back to the early 2000's anorexic look. :(
Adept correlation! 📚🔎
“Gifting your child plastic surgery is seen as normal” is the most depressing thing I’ve heard
exactly... I was shocked too
Yes it is depressing, but it is also quite common in other cultures too. For example, many Jewish girls are gifted nose jobs when they are very young as well.
@@V_4_Versace Jewish is getting nose jobs has to be more than just needs for aesthetic, these people are the victim of massive cleansing during WWII. They go through great length in order not to be killed by the Nazi and even till now, they still chose nose job only to avoid anti semitism as a whole. However, most Ashkenazi Jews has European nose
@@V_4_Versace really? I thought a lot of Jewish people were wearing their distinctive noses with pride these days.
On Bling Empire everyone who’s gotten the eyelid surgery seems to regret it 😞
@@V_4_Versace it’s still sad, parents should teach their kids to be confident and to love themselves :(
The scariest is international kpop fans saying things like "they are naturally skinny, it's their body type" or "it's not plastic surgery, it's puberty"...
IKR, I've seen a short about a chinese girl posting and showing in photos she's something around 37 kgs and yet her boyfriend still called her fat and told her she needed to lose weight, I saw comments trying to defend him indirectly by saying it's normal and healthy for Chinese girls to be skinny as if the girl in the respective video didn't look like she was literally starving herself to death just to fit his standards, when he probably just wanted to see her dead, it's sickening
Yea but some are just really naturally skinny lol
Maybe they do surgery, but that thing also happen in real life... I know some friend that looks so mid when they are young, and extremely attractive when they got older.
Girl I'm literally naturally skinny and no matter I do, I cannot get fat, I've been like this since birth and I'd like to stay this way rather than being an obese and die in my 30s. I don't get why people love to talk about kpop beauty standards where it's common, people love beautiful and petite/healthy women. It's just as easy as that. End of the conversation.
And don't even get me started with the plastic surgery topic because I've met a lot of my Asian classmates AND WEHN I TELL YOU MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE NATURALLY PRETTY SINCE ELEMENTARY. SCHOOL. AINT NO F CKING WAY THEY DID PLASTIC SURGERIES IN THEIR CHILDHOOD🤡it's crazy because when y'all can't accept the beauty of Asian people, y'all will just accuse them of doing plastic surgery without any proof. (I know for a fact that my friends aren't idols and I have no place to compare them to kpop idols but I'm just telling the truth, that there are people that are naturally pretty) I have seen most of these idols pre debut photos and believe it or not, I don't think they're ever done plastic surgeries. They could've done some works here and there and what about it. It's not like they're hurting y'all, they wanna do it because they want to, they have money, it's their life. I don't think doing plastic surgery is any of y'all's business to begin with. I really don't see this as a problem.
As a Japanese person, this is not just a K-pop or Korea thing, it’s a East Asian thing. Even if you’re a “normal” person (not a celebrity), you are almost expected to always be dieting or striving to be skinnier. It’s incredibly toxic and eating disorders are never really called out here because it’s so NORMALIZED. It’s depressing honestly.
So awful! I think these people are so beautiful, naturally!
So do South East Asian
its always our own family too who often point it out, especially mothers.
wtf they're already one of the skinniest nations, I'd never think about diet if I was a healthy weight
This is true im only 13 and parents and my friends keep telling that I should lose some weight even though my I checked my bmi and it's all fine and my body is healthy they see the healthy body as fat and underweight as beautiful
As a kpop stan, I completely agree with you. The things those poor idols have to go through because of pressure from the industry and toxic fans :(
Wishing kpop idols had more freedom :(
Then why do u support them. Ure feeding their managers so they continue to starve them for $$$
There is no point wishng. If you are consuming Kpop it is partly your fault. This wouldnt happen without Kpop stans
@@canchita7759 We really need to think about the consequnces of our consumption these days, these are real peoples lives. Theyre not dolls.
@@indy2316 I totally agree!!
It's rough when you have a body that doesn't fit both asian and American standards. For so long I've been bullied and judged for not having a big chest and butt in America. I look skinny but all my weight shifts into my stomach so my torso is huge there. I hide it with baggy clothes. But in Asia, I'd be considered big. It's confusing
I know it's easier said than done, but do not take to heart people who comment on your body out of malice. It is no one's business what you look like if it isn't a concern based on your health. Think of it this way; do you really want the approval of these sorts of people in the first place, and are are willing to destroy yourself for it. Most normal, good-hearted people who live day to day working to feed their families, could care less about such things. Yes the way you look will always be a factor as we're visual creatures, but only at first. When a good person wants to get to know you as another human being, what you look like will not matter anymore. As long as you take care of yourself, and take pride in looking presentable in terms of attire. You'll come to realise there are far more important things in life. So long short, tell them to f off when they say something's wrong with how you look.
You would do good in Europe
Youre probably perfectly normal. You should just ignore it all.
east asia* if u were really asian u should know not to group US together
@@eo0-g9j I'm full vietnamese 💀 Asia has similar beauty standards across the board
I think you could've also mentioned Oh My Girl's Jine, who developed anorexia due to the pressure of keeping a slim figure and had to leave the group 2 years after debut because she wasn't able to keep her disorder in check and chose to retreat from the public eye so she could focus on her mental and physical health. A lot of Kpop idols develop patterns of disordered eating (which sometimes become full blown EDs), but it's rare for it to be publicly acknowledged, confirmed, and for an idol to fully address the severity of it and choose their own health over their dream the way Jine did.
What about depression and suicide rates due to pressure of being in the public eye, and people commenting on your life all the time? Sulli of f(x) or Jonghyun of SHINee, for example. How is that okay? And why it is not addressed as a serious problem? I have the idea everyone is just moving on without a blink.
I agree. She mainly talked about the more well-known kpop idols, instead of some of the older idols, especially ones who left because of their health. Seolhyun was one that I felt sad for when she ate only one piece of chicken, and was ridiculed by the manager for losing herself enough to think she can eat whatever.. which is insanely horrible and for the fact she did this in front over everyone while being filmed. Ladies Code SoJung who struggled with an ED and was open about it. Wendy of Red Velvet who lost an alarming amount of weight during Russian Roulett and Red Flavor.. she being one who struggles with a yoyo diet where she gains more than she lost, and repeats the cycle without finding balance. Thankfully she seems pretty healthy right now.
One critique I have, is when foreigners make videos about kpop without fully searing how to pronounce their names. She called Wonyoung by her surname, and didn't say it right.
@@corinastoian3801 it's addressed all the time
Edit: maybe not successfully enough to stop people from bullying yet another idol that they hate this month, but people are shit.
Lee Sojung from Ladies' code also developed anorexia. I think it was around the time they released the video "I hate you" that people started to notice that something wasn't right with her. At the time, actions were taking and she got better. I don't see people doing the same for Wonyoung. It's like they think this is fine, when it's clearly not. I feel so bad for her.
@@Lizzy_Kim Yeah a lot of (younger) fans see people's concerns over Wonyoung as either skinny shaming or just another way to hate on her, since the girl is already receiving a massive amount of hate for, like, daring to exist as a pretty and successful girl
As a k-pop fan, it's almost depressing seeing other "fans" pressuring idols to be skinnier and appreciating it when they look like literal skeletons. but instead of taking this as a signal to leave the k-pop world altogether, what I've been trying to do is tell as many people as I can about what is really going on with these idols.
We (casual k-pop fans, ig) actually don't agree with things like keeping a visual position, and DEFINITELY not those unhealthy diets
Instead of being away from the community, try to tell the community how they are wrong so this world can improve, even if only a little
The worst is fan defending the industry saying their fave idols are "naturally skinny". If they are naturally skinny in a healthy way theyd be small without all the bones sticking out...
@@isateasane you can't even say a word about Wonyoung without being accused of skinny-shaming!
I agree 100% and honestly as a hetero female fan I always feel that the guys look better when they are not too skinny. They don't need to be all muscles either, just a normal bit of pudginess is actually quite attractive. It's the same with makeup - unless you have some damaged skin or something that you want to hide, natural skin looks so much nicer and more 'real' even if they have some imperfections or whatever because like honestly who doesn't?! It doesn't make you ugly.
@@isateasane Yes.The fans always defend the K-poop industry saying they are naturally born skinny even though most of them are not born with fast metabolism
@bo K-pop is becoming mental illness rather than entertainment
You know what shocked me the most about that video at 10:50?
They all were smiling when she told her story, the shock lasted for like a split second and they made it rather sound like this funny thing that happened 😳
If my friend told me she was afriad she would never wake up, i guarantee you I will not react that way.
maybe it's just their coping mechamism? that they laughed at it because they were also worried about their own lives for themselves at some point, just to realize it is, truly sad. i shed a little tear on this clip particularly, because she thought ice, which was basically frozen water meaning zero calories, would still make her fat. they're just wasting the talents of these young amazing people by letting their health decline so much just to fit a certain standard
IKR I was thinking the same exact thing 😭
The girl with long hair next to her was brutally bullied on the internet for being "fat" and "ugly" when she first debuted, so I think they're used to it at this point
@@weareone9341 No one can get used to that. They can choose to ignore it more of the time. But used with hate? Even if you get bullied for 4 years, you still hate it the 4-th year.
As a former K-pop stan, I am shocked that these industry standards weren't a MASSIVE red flag to me. In retrospect, I was suffering from an eating disorder when I was really into K-pop groups, and I can't say these industry standards had no effect on me.
Ikr? It's because the fans keep enabling the industry.
Not enough to say it's "toxic" , it's deathly and it's leading to mental health condition (eating disorder, yes) and possible death down the line.
This is why I am not into Kpop. I don't want to be a part of all that superficiality and shallowness. I don't want to indirectly support an industry that does this to people. It's cruel and inhumane.
Me too! I like some of their music but I can't get into the fandom, a big part of kpop fans have the same issue with body image and eating disordersq
Same here.
@@analisamelculo85 Let's not talk about fans that cannot separate fantasy from reality. Like they don't want their favorite celebrity to have a relationship or get married. What kind of idiots thinks like that???
I see this industry like puppy farm, churning out idols for the sake of money making, with problems like malnutrition and mental health.
Superficiality and shallowness is so perfect for them
This definitely needs to be addressed. I watch so much Kpop and got to a point I’m influenced by idols beauty standards myself >.
2:05 few recent years kpop are only about beauty, not talent, no hard work, just beauty. It can be visible from how talent tv shows in Korea are working, people choosing pretty boys and girls over talented, hardworking ones, and then professionals in industry are having a hard time of making this people at least good.
Please don’t ever stop making videos, you truly keep me sane lol. Cause there’s good days and bad days when your mind compares and doesn’t compare ourselves to influencers and your videos is the constant reminder not to. Thank you so much
it’s just so pathetic😂
I’m korean and going through my teenage years under these influences was just waaaay too toxic.
especially having more tanned skin and wide eyes than usual korean people made myself a victim(i got bullied for my looks)
this is pure madness..
one of the reasons why i started learning english to cope with this nonsense.
You are so strong to know the truth and seek out people who are aware the way you are, when everyone around you is feeding into a violent and dangerous idea, it can make you feel crazy when you decide to look outside of them for safety. You are so strong and I admire you so much 🤞
I’m adopting you into my chosen family lol 💛💛 you are beautiful and intelligent and I am so proud of you
I'll be your god sister
Love this comment. It doesn't even look good to be so skinny. You're gonna invite a girl on a date, you order extra large steak with French fries and extra sauce, and then your date is like "one salad leaf please. How about this date is over lol
🤍
The moment I traded watching kpop videos with watching movies instead . I started to stress alot less and later realize kpop idols are just walking billboards that tears down your self esteem. Well I stress a lot less now because the movie is not pressuring the viewers to look a certain way or be a specific something. It just tells you a fun cool lil story and you enjoy watching it.🎉
11:26 what pisses me off here is that the lady isn’t skinny herself. Like you’re eating whatever you want but this poor girl should starve ?
This made me cry. I had an eating disorder and still at 34, I struggle with food. My heart goes out to these girls and boys who are being manipulated and abused for monetary gain. It’s awful.
Thank you for making this video. I don’t have social media but I’ve noticed a lot of kids are interested in KPOP and never looked into it. Praying for all children and young adults. The world is an ugly place
I was super into kpop between 2013-2016. One of the main reasons I stopped supporting kpop was because of the treatment of kpop stars and the overall business. Kpop began to seem like a giant business scam. They hand-pick people out of hundreds of thousands based 90% on looks, then they sign them to crazy contracts, take away their food and make them train 12 hours a day. The entertainment industry in South Korea is one of the most profited genres, which is why they are so obsessed with creating so many groups. They are constantly pressured, being told what to wear & what not to wear, given a specific style, and basically taking away their real personality and giving them a new one based on what would be more liked by the public. The crazy part is most groups aren't even debuted, which means all this work went to nothing. It's a scary world in kpop that is run by large corporations to make millions, in which the kpop group members have no actual say in anything. Ever since kpop started to be picked up in the west I was waiting until people begin realizing all of this, I guess the time has come...
Also, specifically regarding weight loss in South Korea; I think this issue is way more deep-rooted than anyone realizes, at this point, it is so normalized that it is almost part of the culture itself, many teens in South Korea get nose jobs/eyelid surgeries as a graduation present... I think this issue will take multiple decades to fix, and hopefully, current young generations will start that movement! Everyone is beautiful and it is so disheartening seeing companies create and profit off of people's insecurities, especially kids/teens, who happen to be most of kpop's demographic.
I agree. This is so sad
I am surprised people are starting to realize this by now, it has been problematic for over a decade. When you read about the diets that idols go through in Korea you feel lucky to live in a country where beauty standards are not as extreme (yet). I remember they sold very low calorie jelly snacks in Olive Young to help you scam your stomach into thinking it was consuming something, when it actually wasn't.
Plastic surgery is also a very problematic thing. I am not even going to talk about the impossible beauty standards in Korea, because it is enraging (half of the insecurities I have about my physical appearance are a direct consequence of the time I lived in Seoul), but what I find even worse is the practices of Korean plastic surgery clinics, it is crazy. If you have the time, I would advice you to research about the ghost doctors that operate on patients who believe are being operated by the most famous doctor in the clinic, they even paid extra money for that and still got their surgery done by some unknown doctor who, most of the times, does not even work officially for that clinic.
oh this is interesting. do you have a source for the plastic surgery thing?
Yeah,I know the stories when people died just because they were operated by ghost doctors . And that's big industry as kpop industry. And also big problem. People think they will be as good as idols after ps just because the will be operated by famous surgeons,but than happens this shit.
That's not very common though most of the doctors are very professional south Korea had the best plastic surgery in the world
@@jayrose4748 It is actually more common than you think, which is also why many resisted to put CCTVs on operating rooms. After that bill was passed these cases decreased, that is true, but it was a big problem. Demand for plastic surgery in Korea has increased, not only among locals, but also among foreigners who keep hearing about Korea being the global capital of plastic surgery. There are many cosmetic doctors there, but if demand increases significantly and most people want to get their surgery done by the top doctors of the main clinics, how many surgeries do you think these top doctors can actually perform on a daily basis? That is why in many cases they would go to the operation room, do the first incision or maybe even start the procedure, but then move to the next one. They are overbooked. When you watch videos of influencers getting their procedures done in SK of course those cases are successful, they cannot afford to screw a surgery for someone famous. But if you start digging you will find a lot of reports from regular people who got their surgery done in SK and they were botched. There are way more than you think, specially among foreigners. It is way harder for someone who is not Korean or who does not reside in Korea to sue these clinics. I am not saying this only happens in South Korea, this is definitely a huge problem around the world, but South Korea seems to have such a pristine reputation globally, and there is a lot of s**t going on when you start digging a little bit.
If you check the last link I provided in my previous response you can find other threads in that forum about the experiences of some of them getting surgery done in Korea and blacklists of clinics that use brokers, have had a recent death at the operation room, etc.
I knew you would cover this eventually, Thank you so much! I’ve been a kpop Stan for 4 years and even though I haven’t really been influenced by idol beauty standards myself, I know a lot of other people have and my heart goes out to them as well as the idols that have to go through with it.
I so truly miss when we didn’t care what someone looked like & just truly cared about the character of their soul and/or their talent 😢
Taking away foods given by fans are for another purpose. In early 2000s there were times when anti fans pretended to be fans and tried to poison idols.
Western can also be pretty harsh.
You know, skinny shaming can be alot too for natural skinny people.
You should not give ideas about the culture which is much much different than yours.
and having plastic surgery as a child should not be normalized
I was living under a boulder like you. I know nothing about KPOP, but I'm so sad about the factories and the unrealistic expectations.
The food being taken away broke my heart. The girls looked so sad..
They simply don't accept the way their ethic people look!!!!🤣
Skin bleaching is a must as well In kpop
Yeah and it has always been the common thing. I don't see why it's a problem. It's literally been like this forever.
@@roses_are_rosies-g4htf is wrong with u do u work for cosmetic industries or something 💀 you're everywhere pretending self hatred and using chemicals and surgery to alter yourself is good
Honestly, while it’s not easy to live with American standards for beauty, I’m just glad we don’t have East Asian standards for beauty. Because I know I would never measure up to others and it’s wild how normalized plastic surgery is in South Korean society, to the point where I think I’ve read 2 out of 3 women have had it done. I would rather just embrace the features I was born with.
i think its worth mentioning the attitude that fans have towards talking about body standards in kpop. you can't show concern for someone like wonyoung without hearing "oh, she's just naturally slim. you're such a gross person for bodyshaming her like that"
and as a result, conversations about the health of kpop idols are very easly shut down :/
Yeah I feel like that happens in other categories than kpop too, skinny shaming is a real thing imo but showing concern for someone who clearly doesn't eat enough is not "shaming" them in my opinion
Thank you so much for tackling this subject. I remember my first contact with kpop it was in 2008. With the band SNSD (Girls Generation - if that rings a bell). I was 16 back then. Kpop was barely even known yet in the west. And I saw all those girls that were so beautiful and I looked at myself and thought "I'm just a piece of crap with fat". Which was not true but as a teen when you keep seeing all these "perfect" bodies that's what you start to think. And it continues as a grown woman. Whether it's society in the West, or society in Asia, they both are terrible in terms of what the female body should be. (And let's not mention how toxic the kpop industry is, with all the mental health problems, the suicides, because these young people are under such pressure... from their producers but also because of some of their fans too (some fans in Korea are really... scary) that's another subject that we could speak about for hours too...
If people dont eat good, it will diminish bone density very quickly in middle and old age. healthy food is must
The small face thing is more about body proportions than looking child-like. Having a small face, and therefore a smaller head, makes you look taller and and longer. It's not just a K-Pop idol beauty standard, it's a common East Asian beauty standard in general.
Please don't extreme diet, you guys. As a teen I subjected myself to extreme dieting and soon developed toxic food habits. This led inevitably to an eating disorder that I am still fighting two decades later. It's torturous. Just be healthy and happy. Please.
why can’t healthy ever be the beauty standard?
The members of the group AOA were actually reprimandedon video for eating one piece of fried chicken their brother group gave them... really, they were yelled at and shamed not only in front of their brother group but ON CAMERA and uploaded to youtube! It was insane. I really wish these companies would at least do the bare minimum and get a nutritionist if theyre going to force their idols to diet.
There have been a couple of idols that have come out saying they developed EDs because of these unrealistic beauty standards. Sojung of Ladies' Code has talked about her battle with anorexia multiple times and JinE of Oh My Girl had to leave the group due to being hospitalized because of her anorexia. A whole bunch of idols have talked about losing their periods for a while because of their diets.
It's kind of crazy how small idols are getting now when there was a time period where women were praised for their "honey thighs". Now, they're praised for being very small. God forbid anyone is a normal size, the public will bully them into losing weight and if they dont lose weight, fans will make their lives miserable. Kyla from Pristin was 15 when the group debuted and fans would literally ignore her when she was on stage and wouldn't take pictures of her at fan meetings because she was "too fat". It's insane how rude their culture can be and it's honestly sad. I know the west, mostly the US, can't speak too much with the obesity problem we have BUT the other side of the spectrum isn't healthy either.
For food being taken away from idols during fan meetings, i will say it is partly a safety thing. Multiple idols have been targeted through food and drinks by anti-fans putting stuff in their food to harm them.
All I know is I'm never changing my body, I love my country, they don't judge by the looks 😩
Where do you live?
@@OHOHOHOOHOHOOOHOOHOHO Africa ♥️
@@uchemaduafu6479 that’s nice I live in Australia and we are better than American with beauty standards but still are not great.
So, they want the kpop stars to look innocent, and like a small child.
That doesn’t have deviant vibes at all...
Byun Baekhyun of EXO is another idol who has admitted to struggling with his body image on livestreams with fans. Baekhyun ended up crying on one of them, and he talks a lot about how he wants to eat yummy food, but he can't because he's dieting. This isn't even his company's doing- it's self-imposed. And fans have told him (Korean fans too) that he's cute with a round face and a little weight on him, but out of all the EXO members he seems to struggle the most. It's really hard to see them go through this.
SM (one of the biggest companies) is practically known for its beautiful idols, and people assume every single idol there has undergone extensive surgery to look like they do. Don't get me wrong- some idols do have quite a bit of work done over their careers, but there are also some that have only had a double eyelid and rhinoplasty (pretty much every kpop star has these surgeries, so this is nothing out of the ordinary). A few might have had nothing done (but we can't assume, and shouldn't judge any of them for this. So many international fans fight over whether their favorite idols have had work done, and it's ridiculous.)
Jessi is a solo artist that has completely ignored all the beauty standards and literally told everyone she's had plastic surgery and we love her for it 😂😂😂
Two words-
PRETTY HURTS
That's what I tell my best friend who's uglier than me 💀 It wasn't magic that made me that way, I was just willing to suffer more than you for the superficial
As a teen i watched and listened to K-pop a lot although I didn’t like the fans of k-pop but i always saw how pretty the k-pop idols were and how skinny they were. As a teen i was quite thin but I had bad stomach problems which made me bloated over small foods that i eat. Wanting to look pretty and skinny like the k-pop idols I didn’t eat at all. A year later i started to realise how the k-pop beauty standards affected me even though no one cared. I started to love my body and my body shape. ❤
Kpop needs to be cancelled. Period.
Don't say that this isn't worse than the West... it IS worse. There are extreme examples everywhere, but the whole culture does not revolve around this kind of insanity like it does in Korea.
There's a few Kpop idols who broke the usual K beauty standards one being Hwasa of course from group Mamamoo you should look her up!! Jessi is another.. they're rare to find but yes I'm glad you addressed this! CL is another one who goes against kpop standards
jesse might have broken the kpop standard but she fell under then western standard with her plastic surgery
CL is such an icon, the group members of 2ne1 definitely got their share of bullying about looks. :(
Jessie is K-hiphop not kpop, different standards apply for female korean rappers.
@@moodyxepher3729 that's ironic considering she also get surgery to fit certain standard
Do not surgery shame jessie, when she is herself making young korean girls confident about their tan skin. Surgery is for many reasons. As if surgery has to do with anything. She still fits the standards 🤷♀️
Yikes! I see literally no reason why they can't let them have vegetables and lean meat? They'd still stay super skinny and they wouldn't be passing out 😢 poor things
Well, idols aren't allowed to eat food given by fans because it's unknown what's put inside it. There are some crazy fans 😅. There was a case of idols water being mixed with glue😢
None of this would happened if humanity never demanded it. Not just Korean KPOP kids but Everybody. The whole Entertainment Industries need to be reformed. So stop supporting child abuse, simple. The idols are beyond talented, gorgeous and successful. So they should know better, indeed.
No
Isn't it kind of sick when women (and also men!) are expected to look like children? That should give you something to think about! Where does this lead?
If you knew about the p3d0 rings and how much of the world is actually traffìcked, your mind would explode and you couldn’t sleep
Omg!! I want someone to do a deep dive into why Koreans are obsessed with acting and behaving like kids?!
Yup!
Not just KINDA SICK, it is SICKENING!!! 🤮🤮🤮 World of perverts, that's what's evident here!!!
THIS is exactly why pedos exist
You've covered it well, but I have to add that the problem is not only with kpop companies forcing the idols to diet, but the public in general AND their own fans asking the idols to lose weight and if they gain weight, they are heavily criticized and body shamed. You can read about Jeongyeon from TWICE and see that recently she gained weight bc of health issues, but their own fans criticized and body shamed her. That's just one of many examples, it's really sad what they have to deal with
I think it's going to keep being an issue because they stick out like a sore thumb, I think if the rest of the group were to have a few more bigger members or ones with physical health issues the fans wouldn't be preying on Jeongyeon like they did. It's so sad honestly.
Yoongi from BTS too! When he gained weight due to recovering from shoulder surgery, some "fans" criticized him saying he was ugly
But I think it's a lot better now than it used to be. Jeongyeon gets a lot more support than hate and I think if she was popular 10 years ago, she would have gotten more hate or even leave the group. I think it's getting in the right direction that putting on weight in Kpop is more normalized now. Twice is a very good example, because even Momo and Nayeon put on some weight. I remember when BTS wasn't that famous they were fatshamed all the time, although they literally were thin af.
I remember seeing this clip from one of their variety shows, Hello Counselor, where this young girl had called out her brother for shaming her for being a, to us, normal weight, but considered fat to HIS, and most of Korea's, standards so he kept shaming her and he also had said one of the female idols on the show should lose weight as well without any shame on TV.
Spot on! Netizens can be just as harsh as the producers, if not more.
Anyone else think it is quite perverted that the "innocent" child-like look is required, but they also at the same time do the sex symbol thing?
100%. It's very insidious
They Are Not The Same😗😗
It's sick for all the obvious reasons
Yes well that happened in western culture too, just look at the early days of Britney Spears. She was marketed as an innocent virgin and sex symbol way before she was even 18....
I've thought this for awhile. It's disgusting.
From the age of 14 to 19, I joined an agency to become a K-pop idol, and most of the female trainees at our agency had to maintain a weight of 115 minus their height.
However, due to my height and build, I always had to maintain a weight of 173cm, under 50 kg to pass the end-of-month assessment.
I haven't had my period in about a year and have always felt very weak.
I practiced 7 hours everyday with my extremely underweight body, and I think I did my best.
But despite all my efforts, I failed to debut.
When I left the agency at the age of 19, all I was left with was a very weak body and a diagnosis of infertility.
Now I am receiving treatment.
I have no regrets about my past efforts to pursue my dreams, but I am a little sad about not being able to have children in the future.
girl, i hope you're okay now. i can't imagine working in that condition for 7 hours... i pray for your health and happiness.
You don't have periods for over a year?? Howw?
@@timbaktuu9845When you are severely malnourished and underweight the body is under a lot of stress, and can’t cycle as it normally does to allow you to have a period. As I understand it the body is just trying to do what it can to survive with the little it’s receiving and so you won’t have your normal period.
omg... i hope you're feeling better now
As a med student, I have to tell you, there must be something you can do.
We learn so much about the human body every single day and my one take away has been this: No matter how bad of a condition your body is in, don't give up on it. It wants to get better as much as you want it to.
That being said, I really, really wish for your health to improve.
I'll pray for you.
You should consult a doctor and see what can be done about your Infertility problem. To my knowledge, although costly, there must be some procedures that can help you.
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As a Korean born and raised in South Korea, I was growing up seeing kpop singers on TV all the time. At school, majority of girls including me in the class were obsessed to lose weight or make thinner legs, sharper jaw lines. Chatting about plastic surgery or quick losing weight method was discussed easily between 12 year-old girls. Nobody really said to us something's going wrong and it's okay to remain as we are. At the end, it extends to adulthood and girls in 20s or even 30s and 40s are still obsessed to be skinnier. feel like Korean Society(not all) has been making many Korean women to feel that it's life-long homework.
Thank you so much for covering this topic 😍, since I consider this is really needed for many Korean and International fans ,consumers of kpop and k-culture for letting them know it's pretty abnormal standard. We should just accept and love ourselves as we are.
as a korean i totally agree with you !! this whole thing is so toxic and need to change but ppl dont care about this shit. few years ago mostly girls were just interested in losing weights but these days, kpop industry and social media are also lowkey forcing girls to be obsessed about having super tiny waist and bbl like butt, small rib cage. this need to stop : ((
Life long homework is such a good way to put it!
@@daniellehayashi9616 i read that and was like omg yes!
@@daniellehayashi9616 feels like another way of controlling women by shifting their attention & preventing them from achieving greater, more fulfilling things
@@Li_Tobler Yes! It's being made to feel that we have to constantly obsess over our bodies and ask ourselves if the public will approve, when we could just accept and love ourselves and ignore all the noise.
In the 90s, we had "heroin chic." In the 2000s and 2010s, we have Victoria's Secret angels. Now, we have kpop idols. The starvation aesthetic will never really go away, will it?
I think a lot of the "super skinny" trends have to do with making women feel "petite" or worse, feel prepubescent. It's all about appealing to perverted men with insecurities about their masculinity. These girls have no evidence on their bodies that they are adult females- no breasts, no hips, no curves. Anyone can have their own taste, but I don't see the point of being attracted to women that aren't convincing as women.
Sadly not
Because thin body is beautiful and fat body is ugly it is the truth of the world, no matter what you say.
@@leozackdestron1574that’s the beauty standard that has brain washed yiu
You may need to look into some other cultural ideals, @@leozackdestron1574.
When I heard that in 2NE1, CL was considered the “ugly” one bc she was natural, I knew we were talking about warped body/face standards. CL is absolutely gorgeous to me. I always personally thought she was prettiest in the group. So glad she openly refused to meet those standards.
All of 2NE1 were considered "ugly", but CL especially. """Papa""" YG would repeatedly call them that, and they even said that he did on variety shows etc. Part of the point of Blackpink's creation was to make a "pretty" 2NE1. You can literally listen to the songs and hear who would've sung what. I still feel extremely bad for Bom, though, because she has had very obvious issues with body dysmorphia for a while and she does not look healthy - I can't imagine how being part of "the ugly group" would've made that worse.
It's just wild to me cause I always thought they were all pretty. Makes their song 'ugly' hit harder tbh
All of 2ne1 except maybe Dara had plastic surgery
CL actually did have plastic surgery, and a lot of it. However, she's considered "ugly" because she still has an obviously Korean face. Korean beauty standards are all about not looking Korean, and it's terrible because Korean faces are just as beautiful as Japanese faces, but they all seem to believe they have to have Japanese features (sharper chin, wider eyes, heart lips, upturned nose) to look beautiful. The obsession with Japanese appearances and the suppression of Korean looks is what I believe fuels so much inferiority complexes and hatred among Korean girls specifically. Japanese also find Korean faces beautiful, but they appreciate their beauty instead of act jealous over it.
well didnt she still get plastic surgery?
It's horrible to see women like Hwasa being treated so badly just because of their body and body shape.
Yet, she has literally the dream look checking all the western beauty boxes... we just cant win 😅
Jeongyeon from TWICE as well. Like she gained weight through a health issue & people online (including westerners that know better particulaly belonging to a certern fandom (rhymes with clinks) are scrutinising her because of it & she (& other members in TWICE) have been vocal about their mental health issues & there is like no need for it. I'm glad she got more love this comeback tho & I was actually sceared she would get thrown out from the group cuz TWICE was in renegotion with JYP & I didn't know if she would resign (which if she didn't compleatly understandable) or the worst the company would throw her out but glad they are still 9 till the 10th Debut Anniversery at least (tho TWICE will always be 9 it's just normally once the older groups reach their 10th they begin to slow down group activites & members tend to leave the parent company & go do there own thing but some like 2pm or Girls Generation this year & I am gonna add BigBang now bc of the control they have in YG (GD can just say they got an album coming & TOP is gonna be on it & YG management will just be like "Ok" cuz they consider BigBang the group that made YG what it is) some members leave the company some stay & the perent company would allow the members that left to comeback to do a project with the group)
Treated bad? She’s one of the list famous female idols in Korea
That's why I stand her. She make her own standard.
@@aqsah14 she was treated the worst before to the point of netizens petitioning to remove her from the group. She's popular now because she went viral and got many famous shows and songs and more viral stuff after that. Tho she still has haters for her body
Also there's another VERY problematic part of the korean beauty standards that you haven't mentioned. Although female k-pop idols must have a very slim figure, they're also expected to have an hourglass silhouette. Which is INCREDIBLY unrealistic and harmful. How do these companies expect the idols to have curves without any body fat?! To counter that, it's EXTREMELY common for female idols to wear hip pads to make their hips look wider, giving their body a more hourglass shape. That makes me so sad. Even if they're super skinny, it's still not enough...
Yeah that part is just insane. Women with hourglass figures look emaciated before they a flat stomach.
It's just unrealistic for Asian women to have hourglass figure as they have less curves than western women. Even if I understand your point the example of hourglass figure is wrong cause it has nothing to do with body fat but with bones structure. It's all about morphology, and Asian women are more inverted triangle or rectangle in terms of body types. It's more rare to have an hourglass figure there.
Most people make this mistake and confuse the two 😊
@@gwenbar8144 Not sure where you're getting that definition of body shape, it has to do with both. Women tend to store their weight more in their hips and thighs than men because of hormones, but not every woman is the same here. Some store it in their abdomen/waist early on, or their arms, or their breasts etc. Body shape is not only bone structure. If that were the case, men would look quite different, storing all their fat in their hips...
I'll try and explain what I mean btw, it does have to do with bone structure, too. Women with wide hips need more fat stored around their hips for them to look somewhat well-rounded. Like, when my weight is so low that I have a flat stomach, my hip bones and my ribs poke out so much I look emaciated. When someone with a more rectangular body shape is skinny, being skinny does not look so jarring because their hip bones don't protrude from their bodies so much.
@@HankaAAR oh I understand thank's for the explanation ! I thought it was just about bone structure
@@HankaAAR yes 🙌 I am an hourglass shape naturally and I will look Unwell if o lose too much weight. And my tummy has never been totally flat which I’m ok with!! I’m now 47 and have had 5 kids and it breaks my heart to see young girls try to starve themselves and strive for a body shape that is just not in their genetic makeup! When I was young in the 90’s I was called fat for having curves and it was not cool back then when people in the UK were driving to be ultra thin. It’s so so heartbreaking that woman feel like they are not enough just because of the genetic make up they were born with 😢
Hearing that girl’s story about being afraid of not waking up actually made me emotional. What these girls go trough is brutal and cruel…
She clipped out the second part of the story when she went to weigh in she didn't meet the goal and they gave her one more week so she didn't eat for two weeks. This is so sad and depressing the k-pop beauty standard is perpetuating things like eating disorders.
another part of this story is that Momo, basically the main dancer of her group, actually struggled to keep weight on during one particularly busy round of promotions in 2016. She trains and works out a lot and because Twice was so busy doing performances and promotion work for one of their new songs (I think TT?) she couldn't keep weight on because she was just expending so much energy and the whole group was probably overworked.
It's been several years since then and after that round of promotions she's been able to work out to develop good muscle strength and she openly eats a lot of food due to her needs being really high. I'm glad she and the rest of Twice are doing better these days but she had it so rough, you can tell the other members were upset about this story but likely they were subject to the same kind of scrutiny and it's awful.
That girl is not even Korean. She's Japanese. The fact that the Kpop industry is attracting young girls and boys from other countries (mainly China, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand and western countries) and making them so unhealthy both physically and mentally. Not to mention the millions of international fans. It's actually very scary.
@@HanQ28 ikr.
@@faithrotich9441 She could've fucking died... Jesus Christ...
found myself crying half way through the video. this is too horrible, these kpop idols are literally dedicating their lives living like dolls than as humans.
but they can get huge welth
@user-ry1qg6pp5h your response is unrelated to the commenter 😂
@@niraxlevi9930 But it's true. Why do you think it's a comment that's irrelevant? Generally, 'B-grade' K-pop idols can earn around $10 million per person for the years they're active. It's an individual's income, not an entire group.
@@산들바람-k6l Company deductions though take around 80% and its in won not dollars
@@산들바람-k6l What even wealth can do if you're depressed tho?
I remember at one point Jin was called a 'pig' by his managers for eating like a normal person (note here, he was also practicing dance routines for several hours a day.) And Jeongyeon was shamed by toxic fans for gaining weight after an injury. There is literally no mercy when it comes to kpop's beauty standards. Its the Y2k era all over again.
it's fucking messed up.
managers r just as bad as knetz. sure it's their job to care for the idols but at the end of the day they all reinforce the same standard.
@@shineinstars Exactly! There should definitely be some support from the managers seeing as how they know exactly how stressed the idols are and how hard they work. Unfortunately, they are more interested in making money off what the toxic fans want than actually taking care of their groups.
@@isaidisaidisaidimfromhawai5289 yeah, uts rlly sad how they just.... don't care
Poor Jin! I'm glad that debut era ended (he was so thin!) and he started doing "Eat Jin" vlives:) I always found it comforting to watch him enjoy a big meal thoroughly without shame in front of millions of fans. He undoubtedly still diets for concerts and photoshoots, but man they went too far in the early days pre- and post- debut.
Somehow I knew you would've covered this topic. It's so concerning how kpop idols are forced by their company and own fans to go on a strict diet just to be considered "pretty" and "body goals". Many of them have health issues due to this
the last part exactly. i remember seeing sm videos of idols fainting on stage that there's no way that doesn't happen even more often off camera. super scary
The worst part is it seems to be getting worse. Kpop idols or celebrities in general were thinner than your average person but the degree is getting extreme. I was supet surprised to see Taeyeon from Girl's Generation now literally having sunken cheeks ON CAMERA since she did not have that look years ago for example.
it’s coming from the korean society and fans
@@msk-qp6fn ikr taeyeon was already thin during girl generations. But now she looks extremely skinny.
@@chaeriinnn she's kinda petite I think, but her mental health has definitely had some effect on her weight too and she is getting older, not calling her an old lady but I think it should be expected.
When you see a fat manager snatching food out of the hands of the idols, you have to wonder if it's really for the image of the idol or if it's about something else.
Some anti's disguised as fans came to fanmeetings and gifted Idols food and drinks, which we're poisened. Since then managers have been extra strict with gifts from fans.
Some don't even allow toys like teddy bear's because of spy cams, which is very common in Asia.
Pls pin this one😩
It's the same way of projecting that's in "Perfect Blue" between the manager and the idol, nothing new, sadly.
Damnnn, the entire industry is so toxic
watching all those girls fainting actually brought tears to my eyes 💔 thank you SO much for covering this, Stephanie! love your guts!
Love yours too ❤️❤️
I couldn't even hear what Stephanie was saying during that I was so horrified. I had to go back and replay and focus on the audio.
Omg, me too! 😭🤧
I didn't expect to see this here, but same. I made it through like the first two and started crying and grew irate at the part where someone fainted and photographers' flashes intensified.
As a Taiwanese, I was called fat in my teenage years while I was 160cm/48kg.
Now as an adult in my early thirties, I’m a little underweight(162/44), my coworkers, friends or even strangers would point out once I gain or lost like 2kgs. It makes me uncomfortable to be judged on my body all the time.
Okay that's pretty scary cuz I'm a female and I weigh 48 kgs and am 160 or 159 cm tall . However no one around me calls me "fat" infact I'm skinny according to my country's standard. A normal body weight in my country at this height range is 50 or 55 kgs. God, I dunno how it'd effect me if I were told that I'm "fat" and that I need to lose weight. Some beauty standards just suck and are overall toxic in general.
You are so skinny! They call you fat? They are sick
I'm convinced 48kg at 160 was already underweight... jesus
Wild. You're underweight according to medical standards and you still get harassment. It's misogynistic. They want you to take up even less space than you do.
In my country, no one ever told me I am fat or anything( i am also 48kg). When I moved to China, everyone was obsessed with losing weight, and they were telling me I should too. I ended up gaining weight instead because for the first time in my life, I paid attention to it.
The parents should be charged with child abuse.
Not if it’s societal.
You’d think, but to them it’s not abuse and so it continues:/
The parents want money.
Chinese body standards are apparently even worse. There was even this challenge where women were wearing children's clothes to emphasize their small shape. There was also this challenge where they compared their waists to the width of a sheet of bond paper 😭😭
Theres a money challenge, wrap around a money Bill around your wrist and see if youre skinny enough
It’s common for American women to shove themselves into baby’s clothes. I see it all the time is resell shops
The paper challenge was too extreme. 8.5"×11" letter is sufficient. It shouldn't need to be A4.
Or how many times can you wrap your headphones around your waist. I saw documentaries about the Chinese beauty trends and so depressing😭😭
I've been wearing the same pants since I was 12 and I wouldn't recommend. 0/10. I guarantee at least several of these women don't have their period
What drives me crazy are the people who always attack people who express their worry about underweight idols. There is ALWAYS some young fan claiming they're "naturally skinny", no matter how obvious it is the idol is underweight. Immature fans tend to think any comment about an idol likely being underweight - clearly worried - is an attack on the idol when it's obviously not.
Yeah something very similar is happening with Ariana Grande and her fans. She looks like she is sick recently in her photos because it's clear that she has lost weight but the immature fans are in denial or think that this concern for her well-being is an attack because in their eyes she is "perfect" ....meanwhile she is really looking like she has an ED.
Yeah, but i feel like some "fans" are not pointing out one how an idol is underweight because they are worried but they instead do it to just straight up bully them and shame them for being too skinny, which is obviously not good.
And doing so is just gonna result on idols being even more worried for their weight, because everything is about how skinny or how fat they are. Like girl, can't they just live?
Many of those comments don't even come from young fans who don't know any better; many come from people who have eating disorders and don't realize it or who have eating disorders and do realize it, but want to keep using kpop as thinspo. The whole thing doesn't even make sense because "natural," i.e. not purposefully dieting to get that way, does not equal healthy. Being that underweight is unhealthy, period, regardless of whether the person is restricting their food intake
Yup people are doing this with Wonyoung right now, feigning ignorance when people express they’re concerned, they’re not helping by acting like nothing is going on or accusing people of being haters. She’s scary thin and to think that the camera adds weight to someone.
While you mentioned that the kpop diets are tried by fans, I’d like to add that many fans are the ones encouraging idols to go on these diets. There’s a video of Sunmi on Showterview (back when Jessi was the host) saying how her fans told her to lose weight after she’d gained some. It’s a very messed up cycle.
Btw I never expected you to make a video on Kpop😅, thanks for the great content! ❤
That is so sad
Omg my university roommate met Jessi when she studied abroad
This, I've seen people demand idols lose weight and even saying many times online that the idol is overweight. The reality is that they're under weight if anything.
Yess, some knetz are the worst enablers.
Yes, the industry and overall standards affect idols AND fans, who then want their idols to look like what they think they should look like, making companies force the idols even more and then the fans' standards start to get more toxic and so on... You're completely right, it's a really messed up cycle
I have been into k-pop for about 8-9 years now. The very worst thing about all of this is that delusional fans will constantly say that their faves are "naturally skinny", defend "body diversity" and call out "skinny shaming". It's gross. Most if not all idols, regardless of gender, are malnourished for the amount of work they do in a week, that's a fact. You have to be aware of it as a fan and stop encouraging it by turning a blind eye. It's ok to love something but still see problems with it, and sometimes in k-pop that's seen as being a "fake fan".
True. This most frustrating about wy her fans saying that she is naturally skinny. A natural skinny person dont look unhealthy one.
They even praise someone's body who has a skeleton-like appearance, saying things like "body goals" or "I want a body like her."
And they also say that their idols are ''100% natural'' and that we're ''just jealous'', like south korea isn't THE plastic surgery country
Well said@Joee003!!
That fact that its still relevant today...
We had two Japanese exchange students and two South Korean exchange students live with us for a couple years and they were constantly talking about not being able to eat the food we prepared and how they’d “get fat”. They also called normal, even skinny; girls in my country “fat”. And they were dieting VERY hard even at 14-17 years old! It was the first time my looks (as a 13 year old) were ever talked about. I was told how beautiful my big eyes and eyebrows were and how I was so lucky to have a “thin face” (of course - I was a CHILD!) but as a very active sporty kid (long distance running, competitive swimming and hockey) I was told I was “big”. I was a skiiiinny kid by Western standards but I had a lot of muscle tone and broad bony shoulders. But I was told by them my legs were big and my calf muscles too “fat”. It was the first time I’d even had a thought about my body. Imagine telling a young child their CALF MUSCLES are fat? Really sad.
They were kinda rude 😒
It's very normalized here in East and South East Asia. These kinds of comments are said so casually here that no one even bats an eye towards them even if the things sound down right fucking insane... Mind you I'm only in year 9. Teen girls start to care about these things right when they start middle school (year 6 so about 11 years old). It fucking sucks here.
Mark my words looking at the rate at which they keep obsessing more and more over looking like skeletons, their society’s fucked up and heading for a fall..
From your perspective. But if you grow up in it, it's not rude at all, just straightforward.
Sounds like your parents did you a real favor bringing those little devils into your home!
kpop perpetuates anorexia like crazy. male and female idols alike, you will always catch idols in every single group talking about how they want to lose weight or how they’re on a diet. i’ve had multiple friends be motivated to starve themselves after stanning certain groups, i won’t say names but y’all can guess.
What I find terrifying is the YT videos of girls, often Korean girls, giving weight loss advice that includes many rules and triggering habits, all the comments full of young girls following it. Is this becoming what’s just expected or the norm to our young? This industry is not just hurting their idols but their fans too
I would guess Blackpink only because they are popular, but I think being a fan of any girl group would give you issues if you were predisposed to that cause they are all extremely skinny af...
@@inkoftheworld yeah the lack of diversity honestly has affected me.
@@inkoftheworld black pink has naturally skinny members except for jisoo , who fluctuates in weight trying to match her band mates. Doesn’t help that she’s a visual so it’s her job to look pleasing to audience
@@brittanys505 same, I noticed how when I started becoming a fan of Mamamoo, I had this moment of realisation that I started wanting to look like k-pop idols and that my own beauty standards and view of things and myself started to shift, it's honestly so scary how you don't even notice it. I think seeing how beautiful Hwasa (a member of Mamamoo, a k-pop girl group) is, even if she doesn't fit today's korean beauty standards really helped me snap out of it and realise what was going on, although I still catch myself having those thoughts. Worse part is I'm not even one of those die hard fans and I'm not as naive as some are, so you can imagine how easy it is to be affected. I feel bad for all the young fans, I'm very insecure myself and I'm sure I would've fallen into an ed if I didn't have strong morals and love from my mom.. I was surely heading that way tho, and I'm still scared I might not be able to stop myself in the future. Healthy relationships with your family is so important, I realised that now, especially after what happend to my cousin. I think the key to remember is health is the most important thing, whatever you want to do to your body, don't be stupid and make rash decisions, make changes in healthy ways. If you know something's wrong, mentally or physically, get help, don't just push it away. That's what I did with my severe phone addiction and mental health problems, and I learned my lesson.
I lived in Japan for a year and it almost ruined my mental health completely. I went from a size M in North American clothing to a size XXXL in Japanese clothing stores because east Asian women are severely pressured to be as small as possible. I could never find clothes that fit me, especially because I'm 6'0" tall. I spoke some Japanese and I remember hearing people call me a "giant foreigner" in the streets when I passed by, which made me want to rip my body off. I ended up trying to starve myself and went through a cycle of binge eating every night when I inevitably got too hungry to function and that contributed to me gaining 30 lbs, further ruining my confidence and perpetuating the vicious cycle. I lost the extra weight when I returned to Canada and I ended up doing some therapy but my body image is still skewed from the whole experience.
If you were a "giant foreigner" in Japan I'd be straight up Shrek lol. East Asia has issues.
If you were a "giant foreigner" in Japan I'd be straight up Shrek lol. East Asia has issues.
If you were a "giant foreigner" in Japan I'd be straight up Shrek lol. East Asia has issues.
This! I'm 5'9-5'10, I can easily go thrifting for size S and M tops in Europe but in China I had to wear size XXXL pyjamas and I remember waking up from pain bc of how much the waist band was digging into my hip. The only places I could shop at were plus-size stores and even half of their stuff didn't fit on me. I developed such a bad relationship with food while living there, I remember my Chinese classmates would literally regularly post body checks and the numbers on their scales to show off how underweight they were.
@@angelas8567 what? being literally ill is something to be admired for? so glad to live in Germany now
Oh Stephanie this breaks my heart... I had some precious Korean friends when I was younger. They were so sweet, so lovely, and so afraid to gain weight. Those poor girls fainting and getting surgically altered is bringing tears to my eyes 😢 Thank you for making this video. This is so wrong!
Same! I started to tear up when she showed them fainting. This is my first time hearing any of this and it breaks my heart 😢💔
Yeah I cried too that was heartbreaking
@@ashleymartin8093 omg I cried too!! I was like wtf is wrong with the world, causing these talented, hard working girls to pass out on stage😭😭 I had to pull myself out of that and then I hear about the guy eating only 4 chicken breast in a year! Mind blown wtf🤯😭
At the age of 21 I weighed 88-90lbs standing at 5’2. The Chinese standard of beauty has influenced my entire childhood into adulthood. When I was 17 I remember not eating for 5 days, no food no water. To avoid the feeling of starvation I decided to sleep through it but with the fear of not waking up. My body was weak at the time and was shaking. I was so hungry that I dreamt of eating chicken drumsticks. Fast forward now at the age of 38, my weigh is at 107lbs with 3 kids. I exercise regularly, lift weights and self care daily. I eat everything in moderation. Occasionally, I’m still haunted by these familiar feelings of anxiety from my experiences and trauma with eat and body image disorder in my younger adulthood. I’m still figuring it out but I am doing much better. I hope ladies affected by body image find a way to live healthier and stop beating themselves up!
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Hi, I’m also a mom in recovery. I just wanted to say you’re not alone. There’s good days and bad but you’re stronger than your disorder!❤
lol being skinny is not sexy, instead health problem lol 🤣
Is trashing Chinese a new trending? I thought only politicians are doing that! As a Chinese, do you know Chinese population is bigger than all the western countries combined together? Don't stereotype Chinese people just because you are surrounded by some wiredos!
@@allisonwang8656 It’s a free country here, unlike China. Telling the truth about my experience brings awareness and hope for those who are struggling.
Since you love China. I have to point out how evil they were because of their one child per family policy. I was the 3rd child and was supposed to be killed immediately after birth. I got lucky but millions of born and unborn babies aren’t. We paid a big fee, left China and never look back! I have many stories of people I know suffered so much in China, the rich and the poor. You go along with your praises. THE WORLD DON’T CARE until China changed for the good of their people. Have a good life.
I'm so happy you're finally addressing Kpop in one of your videos! I love the genre but their beauty standards are incredibly toxic and I just know that my younger self would have suffered so much damage if I had already been confronted by the beauty standards perpetuated by that industry back when I was still a teen. So it's a really good thing that you're spreading awareness about the topic!
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yeah
i started listening to kpop when I was 13, and now I'm 19 and it definitely contributed to developing an ed and wanting to get a plastic surgeries
One thing that you didn't touch on in this video (and maybe that was on purpose, it's a sensitive subject) that is also a huge part of their beauty standard is skin lightening. Having paler skin makes you more beautiful by their standards, and some idols who are just one or 2 shades tanner than some other idols never hear the end of it. Apparently there are injections you can get, like an IV drip, of glutathione which will lighten your skin all over if you continue to get it done regularly, and that's how some idols stay pale.
It's toxic but it does strengthen facial features so wanting to be pale is nothing wrong. However the standards are getting way out of hand in Eastern Asia...
That's 100% true! Hwasa for example got bullied not only because she is considered "fat" (I do not consider her fat at all, SK society does), but also because she is "dark skinned"
oh wow I thought it was beauty whiten cream lol
jang wonyoung would eat half a cucumber per day until she passed out of hunger. shes 5’8 and weights around 85 lbs. 3 years ago she was 5’6 and weighed around 103. she’s been consistently losing weight we’re extremely worried about her.
that's a bmi of 12... I'm so scared for her...
Holy damn 85 pounds at her height???
@@kurtapika7991 12???? No way she would be dead she’s at least 16bmi
@@zinnia5659 I used a bmi calculator, just put in 5'8 and 85 pounds. I struggled with a eating disorder a few years ago and hit a bmi of 16, yet she looks way way wayyy lighter....
@@kurtapika7991 she’s fr 85ibs how ???, I’m her height and at 110ibs and I still find myself too skinny, how is she still functioning? I thought you get hospitalised as soon as you hit 15/16 mbi .
“Plastic surgery for Korean teens is like getting your drivers license in the US” basically Scott Westerfeld’s series “The Uglies” coming true
THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT OF
Honeslty a good series, even if it's Abit too cheesy with the teen romance. but it is sad that his vision of fiction is now almost full on reality. Makes you feel bubbly.
HONESTLY THE BEST BOOK EVER
I never read the book when I was a kid but always wanted to ToT I think i'll look into buying it sometime so I can FINALLY read it.
Korea is one of the countries that do a lot of plastic surgery, but not that much.
As many foreigners come for surgery, there is also an aspect of numerical exaggeration.
Welcome to east Asian beauty standards since forever. I agree that it is toxic.
I've always hated(and still hate)how I look, and these toxic beauty standards really remind me of how bad society truly is when it comes to diets and beauty standards
Been awhile since you commented and I don't know you, but I'm sure you look just fine and you are just being hard on yourself. Which most of us do. I'm sorry you feel this way. Most of us will never achieve standards set by the minority of people. Try to be happy with yourself - we are own worst critic. And for those who shame others- look to yourself first. And you're not needed in our lives.
You are beautiful my angel i am sorry abt this conditioning, i think you are a princess and you deserve the best, society really brainwashes us into not seeing the diamond inside. i love you.
dear shayla, you are beautiful the way you are, love and appreciate yourself, value yourself. kpop standards are fake, sick and do not set a good example. not all that glitters is gold, most of the beautiful idols who seem perfect and flawless in singing or dancing activities, are actually unhappy and not satisfied with themselves. remember that in this planet all we are humans, your soul will be eternally beautiful, but our bodies won’t be🫶🏻💞 think positive, you’re so gorgeous dear!
This actually made me tear up a bit. It's a shame that we can't be happy with natural, healthy beauty.
Some of us can.. we're the stress free happy ones
We could but a few scumbags trying to ruin it
Also, wonyoung was seen in a kpop survival show, producer 48, back when she was 13 or 14 ( I don't really remember), drinking a really heavy bag of dieting / protein shake, which was supposed to replace her meals. Damn, I pray that she's okay....
Ya she drinks these jelly diet packets. It's sad.
And some ppl say we’re “body shaming” her bcs we want her to be okay, or when we say that she looks unhealthy. Ppl love throwing terms/buzzwords around that they don’t know, like let’s be fr. She’s so overworked and Starship is doing nothing, they haven’t put out any statement abt her situation (that I’m aware of). You would think being 4th gens “IT” girl, they would make sure she’s healthiest as can be, but no. I pray she’s okay too.
@@strudelh yes, starships the worst. K- companies in general don't care abt idols at all.... It's heartbreaking what wonyoung and the other idols have gone through.
@@babykitsune it's funny considering sistar's body image was quite different. well, sistar and ive are very different groups.
@@strudelh the company doesn't give a damn what international fans think... she's LOOOOVED in Korea and has the most brand deals among all 4th gen idols. No matter what international fans say they'll NEVER change their ways... it's so upsetting... it's like talking to a wall and they seriously couldn't give a damn about all those concerns... i saw some recent videos of hers and she somehow lost EVEN MORE weight... how is that even possible?... it's really heartbreaking ESPECIALLY since she's just 18... i always say that those concerning comments won't do any good except make the idol think we hate her and we're just talking BS but at the same time HOW can we NOT be worried about her. i honestly can't stan her because every time i see her i wonder if she's ok and i get sad and heartbroken. It's an insane country when it comes to those beauty standards. i know that those idols get very angry at our concerning comments and they can't stand them because "it's their business" but it's really scary.....
I've completely dropped kpop and engaging with it in any way because, since getting into it in 2017, I've noticed only a consistent decline for myself because of subconsciously comparing myself to and wanting to be like kpop idols when, realistically, I know I never will be and don't actually want to be. The danger with kpop is that it makes all that sh*t look so enticing and attractive that you ignore/forget all the bad stuff it takes to get to that point, i.e. starving yourself to get to a lower weight or to reduce the size of your thighs so you can _maybe_ look like kpop idols. I never cared about my body to the obsessive levels I did after getting into kpop, and after quitting it in all ways, I've noticed that I'm generally much more at peace with how I look than when I was into kpop. Kpop as a genre isn't good enough to hold me to it, the numerous controversies outside of body image issues drives me further away from it, and good god the body image issues themselves can make you feel really sh*tty.
When I first got into k-pop, I felt so good. Everything was so new and exciting, so very different from what I was used to. But, oh boy, how it turned sour. I grew out of it when everything about it made me feel miserable. And honestly, through the last years not even the music was attractive anymore. Every single group just sounds the same nowadays. So there was nothing left for me, I moved on. And just like you I feel so much better now.
Hi there, I can relate a bit to your feelings. I thought about stopping consuming kpop content, because I felt similar feelings to yours, but could not get myself to actually doing it because it somehow became the main new music I listen to. I mean, the new kpop songs that come out always pop to my youtube page and it doe not happen so frequently with other types of music to me. Anyway, you made me rethink to drop it ...
I got really into it last year and i didnt even realise how deep in it i am, and its just a yr. I want to remove myself from it as well but it has become really difficult, do you recommend any ways?
@@imnotsure4864 just make new youtube account ,so that it does not promote kpop video .
@@imnotsure4864 I think you'll come around when it's time. You'll get there. I didn't drop in one day. It's a slow process. When I realised I wasn't having fun anymore, I was only feeling sick, I dropped it for good. So your bad experiences will help you to grow out of it. My first step was getting out of kpop social media. It was pretty hard but it did me wonders. It's like I'm finally living my life again.
Remembering last year, when one of the biggest soloist in kpop, Taemin, was given a cake on his birthday livestream and after blowing out the candle could only lick the tiniest bit off the icing because his comeback was coming up
Honestly, getting into KPop made me more insecure than before.
another person's beauty is not your lacking. you are pretty.
Same
seriously. You try your best to tell yourself all these facts (plastic surgery, blurring of the skin, extreme diets, makeup, etc) but when you see all these beautiful idols, it gets to you.
Same 😭
It made insecure in the past as well I’m still recovering from accepting and loving myself
I watched a Japanese plastic surgeon explaining how being as thin as kpop idols is dangerous for one’s health. That there are probably cases where they don’t get their periods because they go through rigid diets. He explained it in a more careful way, but he basically said being kpop thin is something for professionals; not for the average person. He also mentioned there are some rare cases where genetics work in their favor.
How can you be a “professional” at being dangerously unhealthy and underweight? That’s a cop out.
I’m sorry did she say it’s as common for teens to get surgery as it is for us getting our drivers license?!! And parents “gift” this?!
I am actually speechless. My heart breaks 😔 Wish I could tell these girls how beautiful they are
That's brutal. I thought figure skating was bad, but this K-Pop "factory" thing is just as bad if not worse, being as popular as it is. It's really sad that parents let this kind of thing happen to their children and that there is an entire industry built around exploiting kids like that.
I dont think calling them beautiful would help
Im pretty sure they get that "gift" when they graduate middle school
That's a bit of an over exaggeration I think. I did have a friend who was offered that by her family though. I think maybe they're saying in Seoul it's as common as getting your driver's, which would be less than in most of the US (outside of NYC and a few other more walkable cities w/, better transit)
To be fair, this is not limited to kpop, it happens in sports life gymnastics, dance, the fashion industry, etc....
Yes, but specially in kpop
@@Ceciliaqq its still worst in the fashion industry.. you should see how high fashion models live.
@@JK-tq7bi but they don't need to dance. Like walking doesn't require as much energy as dancing and singing simultaniously
It's still worse for kpop idols.
They never said it was limited to KPOP, they are only discussing KPOP here as a case. Chill
Korean beauty standards are truly grotesque. I am Korean-American and I’ve been torn between the two worlds’ beauty standards my whole life. Things that are seen as flaws in Korea are desirable in America and vice versa. In a young person’s mind, with the tendency to be unkind to ourselves, it actually just makes you feel ugly no matter where you are. I hope the narrative changes so that young Koreans and kpop fans around the world stop mutilating their bodies. Thanks for covering this. ❤
I wasn't in touch with my Korean culture as a kid and so many Korean kids would bully me for looking the way I did. They would always ask me why are you so pale? Why are you so tall? I grew up thinking I was really ugly. It never ever occurred to me that it was jealousy until adulthood when a boyfriend told me. They made me feel like I was a disgusting ugly freak and it was literally all because of Korean beauty standards I wasn't even aware of😩💀
"Feel ugly no matter where you are." Those words shook me. :*(
Being Asian but growing up in the West is such a hard thing, so I totally understand! 🥲
The reason Yunjin is called a cool American unnie in Korea is not because of her face, but because of her gestures and reactions.
She looks like a typical pretty Korean..
This would be different if you would have grown up in Germany or france. Natural and healhty beauty is the most pretty for us
I am not Korean, I'm more Eastern European, but I remember my own mother telling me that I shouldn't be eating before I work out. So I didn't. I went to the gym (I was powerlifting at the time) and I was doing backsquats. After going through the first four sets of backsquats. I just about fainted. It was 2 pm, I had been fasting since around five or six pm the day before. My coach was like "oh my god, you MUST eat before you're powerlifting or running a 5k!" She brought me water and bubblegum because it was all she had that she could give me. My mother was upset about the whole situation. But I couldn't do it. I was lifting 200 pounds and going up steadily. On an empty stomach it wasn't ok. I'm not recovering from a broken back and can't powerlift as heavy, but I remember my coach genuinly caring and my family just not. (We aren't very close anymore.)
Your coach literally has your back more than your actual family... I'm so sorry to hear that
I'm sorry to hear that
It’s good that you’ve distanced yourself from them since they clearly didn’t have your health and well-being in their best interest /:
Bubblegum is even worse to have if you're hungry because you're stimulating your body into thinking its eating when its not!
My 12 year old is really into this and she's been affected by these body standards. I try to explain to her what these people go through to look like that but she doesn't get it. I'm showing her this video
I hope she's okay im also young and have been deeply affected by this so I know how it feels..its not to late
I am also 12 and feel like these body standards have also negatively affected me too. Tell her that these beauty standards are so unrealistic! I hope she is alright
Imagine growing up in Korea throughout your entire teens🙃I had no idea the entire female population had an eating disorder and body dysmorphia until I moved to the USA
i can’t imagine our body image culture is any better here, just different. but maybe it is! apparently this is a huge issue in Korea, and i know the US is a lot larger so there are different pockets of cultural thinking
@@AlexisTwoLastNames it's definitely a bit better.
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@@AlexisTwoLastNamesi agree but its wayyy better for sure.. these girls and boys(boys are also massively underweight,, imagine being 180cm tall and your height being around 60-65) are sooo underweight but im pretty sure in the US people start talking only if a person is like overweight or obese.. these idols can't even be their ideal weight(according to science) and the whole country is like this. imagine that
That and the incel cultures spread overall the country is why most young korean women want to immigrate.
I've always been aware of this problem in Korean society, but when I actually saw it with my own eyes (since I'm in Korea now), I was shocked to say the least. We had Hyuna visit our university and give the students a concert, and all that they shouted was '예뻐요' which is 'pretty'? And about Hyuna herself... I don't know much about her personality, but when she started speaking with a child-like cute voice... I was literally shaking at that point. What's more disgusting about it is the fact that the crowd liked it. Why can't female idols speak with their natural voice? That's so fucking weird. (And this is not me shaming or hating on Hyuna, just saying the way it was).
I know right, very very weird
I'm guessing it's aegyo... the skill of acting cute, highly valued and seen as a talent in south korea :( just goes back to the "forever staying young" and infantilization of women
Oh my God i remember when twice performed during a mall show in korea. Sana was talking and acting like a child and the crowd went berserk including males. I want to slap my face because i wanted to laugh at the moment.
You don't know how real the voice thing is 👀☝️👀 I work as a model and one time I had the privilege to go to Japan and ALL the girls I worked with did it. 😭😭😭
Imagine shaking over a random person doing a child-like voice...
As a former Kpop fan, these companies aren’t just training companies. The idols are still bound to their companies after they debut, for almost a decade…
Ashley (the girl talking on the podcast) also discussed how they wanted her to have plastic surgery on her knees because they looked ugly when she wore a skirt. The other guys on the podcast were so shocked. Peniel (the guy next to her) said “what do pretty knees even look like?”
The company even asked her to get plastic surgery on her gums because they were “unattractive”.
Oh this is going to be interesting
My biggest gripe with kpop is how they all have to act sweet and innocent and naive off stage but on stage they have to act like strippers.
That was hyuna. Cute in the variety shows and interviews and hip thrusting on stage, all while being underaged.
yeah its a huge problem with underaged girl groups
@@idongesitx1873 and receiving hate for doing both things... I love her since bubble pop and I always get mad because of that. She's super nice and sexy, how come she's not allowed to be both? They want idols to be unidimensional and then get angry when they discover they're actual people. And as you said, many of them are underaged and people still take the liberty to comment like that...
"Duality" lmao...💀
That's sounds kinda funny though.
5:41 innocent, small face, youthful, slim, big eyes, they're literally describing children... 😬, they want women, to look like a chiild...
Exactly!!! It's pedophilic plus the same goes for the Coquette aesthetic.