I guess I will never be a J.W because I was guilty of 16 out of 20. Thanks Lloyd for stopping me dead in my tracks😂. I just threw Enjoying Life Forever in my trash can.
You take a gamble every time you drive a car, cross the street,eat at a new restaurant,talk to a stranger etc.whats the difference if you're in a casino having fun with you own damn money .
Thank you Lloyd for everything that you do, it's most appreciated. I was never bbbbabtized with the cult cuz I recognized the charlatance when I see many.
There's only one thing that ever gets you disfellowshipped, not bowing to the authority of the elders. Even if you're right or justified. Ask the people who were disfellowshipped to cover up CSA.
Ask any Former JW Women that, dared to expose and resist the corrupt and controlling behaviours of the Elders, when Domestic Abuse and/or Marital Sexual Assault was reported to them! Apparently, according to this Cult; It's more of a Sin to reject the Intrusive Personal Boundaries Crossing by JW Perpetrators and WT Hierarchy, than it is to Stand Up For Actual Truth and Justice and Protect A Person's Own Best Interests and Health. 🙄 😡
The GB call it all “The Fun Shun”. Long ago they got together and wanted to experiment on how far they could induce fear and obedience into the members. It worked. They laughed between one another but like the Wizard of Org, had to keep up the stern front because suicides and displacement of families was the result. Now they are being investigated for crimes they never dreamed would result from their “Fun Shun” experiment. They’ve gone too far.
My grandfather had Schizophrenia and would tell us he spoke with Jehovah and sometimes Satan. Plus, he was abused and had an extreme temper. Also had awful hygiene issues because he refused to wash his clothes, take baths, or use deodorant because he was extremely tight regarding his money. He threatened to shoot people, slit their throat and put them in a wooden box on a regular basis. However, despite these things, his brother was an elder and my grandfather received special treatment because of favoritism from his elder brother and others that were related in the congregation down in Lousisana. lol this would be another good video. How coverups can protect you from being disfellowshipped.
LOTS of favortism among JWs...Espcially when many have family connections...quite often several members of a family are part of the servant body...Lots of cover ups...it would be a great video to highlight the corruption that is rampant throught this organization. Disgusting to the core...27 yrs before I woke up to the actual "truth" & left!!! STAY FREE!!!!! ❤
I was disfellowshipped for having remarried my husband of 25 years. He had disassociated 6 months earlier. A lot of pressure was put on me because my spirituality was at stake. We got divorced but realized we had made a mistake. We secretly remarried and a week later I was disfellowshipped. So, my husband was my ticket to freedom. 🎉🎉🎉
Uuummmmm...drunkeness is relative in the JW org...lots of drinking...never heard of a drunk getting df'd & I knew a few who were known alcoholics...most things depend on your connections. In one case a single "friend" was messing with a married guy (well connected) for 10 yrs ...she confessed to the elders & was df'd even tho she confessed ... he was df'd & appealed to Bethel who reversed the decision...so he was "reproved" instead of Df'd...WTF??? The same happened with this guy's wife years before...the married guy she was messing with was DF'd & she was "reproved" SO hypoctitical & dysfunctional? Makes your head spin ... SO grateful to have woken up with some life yet to live...❤ Thank you Lloyd for helping people know the "truth" ... The " real truth" that is!!!!!! 🤗
NOT a blessing! The most ripping, heart-breaking thing an individual can go through. Like being in the middle of a Roman arena with seats by the thousands filled with JWs. You are standing there on the arena ground, alone...while JWs silently hate you to death. It is not a blessing.
Watching the video for the second time. The alcoholic point is quite interesting since it is a huge problem in JW. After I went full Pimo I barely touch alcohol anymore. Its not needed anymore. Yet I watch the instagram stories of people in the congregation and its always wine every week. Yes, we are Europeans but the ammount is far higher them normal consumption.
I'll add a few more, Lloyd; that I have found both thru scrutinizing my own case and listening to hundreds of eyewitness ex-JW testimonials here on YT. The elder's "Beat the Flock" book manual, or oh, excuse me, "Shepherd the Flock" book, 😅😆, lists over 40 reasons why they kick out their members! Most of which lack REAL SCRIPTURAL BASIS. But a few more that come to my mind: contracting work with a religious organization, voting in elections, donating money to an activist group that seeks to brings justice to American citizens by prosecuting any organization that violates a citizen's Constitutional rights; raising questions that challenge the JW org's official doctrines; (if the governing body does it, it's called "new light"!);....not listening to an elder's counsel; be it scriptural or a matter of his personal conscience and opinions;...dating a person who is not one of JW's;......taking a blood transfusion; either willingly or under compulsion;.....committing a sin deemed as "serious"; (like fornication), being deeply regretful over it; even CONFESSING IT; and STILL BEING EXPELLED as "discipline"!!......being employed by a civil or government office that the idiot elders believe makes you, "part of the world", or 'politically active' even though your faith is as strong as ever tin God's Kingdom promised at Daniel 2: 44 and you have not ceased witnessing about it to others;........writing your Congressmen/women about matters affecting your family's security, your occupation, criminal activity going unpunished, or other civil matters affecting your ability to provide for your family. These things and many more like it are often deemed as "violating your neutrality" to political affairs. This becomes an extreme twisting of interpretation of what "neutrality" means; and then exposes the truth that the word "neutrality" is NOWHERE FOUND IN SCRIPTURE; MUCH LESS DEFINED! But you're kicked out on your keester if these arrogant pharisees interpret it the wrong way! I'm sure your viewers will come up with more reasons sincere JW's are often kicked out and then slandered for years by their false and defaming announcement to their congregation that "so and so is no longer one of JW's"!!!!!!!
They don't care about Women neither. In fact, They are not capable of Genuinely caring about Anybody. Not even Each Other. They are shallow, fickle and lack true insight into the Human Experience. They Fake It, Every Step Of The Way. They are Transparent and Toxic.
We are all imperfect Lloyd..James 3:2 For we stumble many times if anyone does not stumble in word he is a perfect man able to bridle also his whole body… I love Jehovah myself, iam just a student, for me without the witnesses comforting me through massive trials, especially my study teacher, I wouldn’t be here today..I wouldn’t change any aspect of my life…😊
We are all imperfect, that is why we should look out for one another. The experience of one may save another the agonies that those “in” who are tormented with may need support with on escaping. Imperfection should not be an excuse for gross negligence and rejection.
Remember they are just lovebombing you until you get baptised. Are you not curious or shocked about the JW beeing number 1 on the s*x offender child molester statistics?
So true. But somehow the governing body and Watchtower Society doesn't bring reproach on Jehovah by lying in court cases, by joining the United Nations, or by lobbying to several UN affiliate and human rights political organizations. Effectively, committing "fornication with the Kings of the earth" in the same way that the religions of "Babylon the Great" have been doing for centuries!
You can get shunned for simply leaving the religion. In my case and many others. When they realize you don’t want to come back, they give up on you and just shun you.
@@mr.atheist8848and that’s hard to do. You’d practically have to live way up in the mountains where pioneer canvassers wouldn’t come to. Best thing is to shun them first?
I remember when sometime around 1990, I lived In American Canyon, CA. One of the Ministerial Servants, Lonnie Stringer, murdered his wife Cynthia and went to San Quentin. As far as I know, he is still there.
I believe that the grounds for disfellowshipping, or removing a member from the congregation should be; if the member is abusive to children or others in the congregation, is disruptive to others, has fits of anger or violence, or does not turn from any of those things. Accepting a blood transfusion in a time of real need, celebrating a birthday or Christmas, reporting sexual abuse to police, and having contact with a disfellowshipped or shunned member or anyone outside of the cult are NOT valid grounds for disfellowshipping or shunning. Also, shunning those who suffered sexual abuse as children is callous, unjust, backward, and just plain unscriptural, and to blame these victims of sexual abuse for their own suffering is presumptuous, arrogant, and mindless, just as claiming that they brought it upon themselves is blatantly and brazenly false.
Oh no. They like all that abusive stuff. The worse you are to children, the more they like to protect their fellow predators. This cult is a sick protection society for pederasts . I wish you could prove me wrong.
Drunkard's as I know all to well is condoned, CSA is condoned as I know all to well, spousal abuse is condoned unfortunately I know this well too. So they pick and choose what their going to do I have a friend and his wife disfellowshipped for a blood transfusion he had leukemia. All valid points Lloyd thank you for the video
#15. Something that is Excusable and Acceptable, If a JW chooses to not accept employment that would interfere with Meeting Times or Any Other High Control Demands Of The Elders or Watchtower Org. In such case, The Best Interests of The Cult, overshadow the personal needs and best interests of the Family. The Family in that case is...SOOL or SUAC(Fill in the blanks, since You Tube would bar such comment 😒).
True. Accepting an extra shift, or substituting for a teacher (whoops-that means you’ve got a higher education and might get ds’fd for that!), working nights so you sleep in the day, working weekends-all can get you counseled by non-credentialed 19 year old Elders, reproved, judged, ds’fd and shunned!
There's a lot of things left behind: toasting, advocating birthdays, being part of a political party, advocating voting, using drugs, smoking, ... maybe they can be englobed in some of the categories mentioned but they deserved to be metioned.
That is what they are set up for. Get families in, to make children, to keep up their supply, then make it a sin to report sa and even murder, to the police. Its a protection ring for pedos, as well as money making for the gb. It serves no other purposes. .
I got disfellowshiped for "loose conduct". I was having dinner with co-workers and someone from the congregation saw me and told the elders. I had a judicial meeting and told the elders I didn't see nothing wrong with what I was doing. They said I was associating with worldly people. Asked me if I was going to stop and I said no.
@rodolfoleyva4012, That's nuts. You were disfellowshipped just for going out to dinner with some non-JW coworkers. It's not like you went out and murdered twenty people. It's crazy to think that a Body of Elders can get away with excommunicating someone for having dinner with a non-JW coworker, but someone like that Eunice Spry woman who claims that she is "sorry" for having brutally abused her own foster children for years, she can potentially still remain a member of a local Witness congregation and be considered as being in good standing because she apologized even though her behavior continues to have an effect on her surviving foster children's adult lives. What the hell. Thank goodness, I left the JW faith. The standards on and reasons for removal from congregational membership can range into the absurd sometimes, and that's why people can get excommunicated by overzealous Elders over things that aren't even removable offenses (like having dinner with a non-JW coworker). It's a bunch of bull-crap.
@jamesniagu274, Well, if Uncle Tony Morris III does have a problem with alcohol, you'd probably be doing him a favor by stealing and pouring out all his bottles of THE MACALLAN's whiskey.
Thank you Lloyd!! Your videos are good! Can you talk about the other US Christian religions that shun but none as bad as JW. I think JW celebrate birthday eventually (Hispanics) and have beards(Middle East) cause these cultures come into JW in which trying to appease. Side note I must say cousin was police woman and they threaten for her to quit. She did not but later found out her JW hubby was a undercover gay man which JW elders covered up. It came out later and they got divorced.
I was ds’fd for arguing against the No Blood Doctrine and stating I’d save my child’s life. To top it off, I had the audacity 😂 to rescue my kindergartener from a long dark hallway as the rest of the class celebrated Xmas cupcakes, which led us (me and my kids) to go to a tree lot, bring home a tiny tree and try to hide it, bake cookies and...celebrate to salve his little broken heart. JW hub comes home and reports THAT to the Elders too. I was ds’fd that wknd and shunned for “Apostasy”. Husband had an affair with my best friend. He was not ds’fd because I already was and couldn’t tell anyone because they couldn’t have anything to do with me. So there ya go. There I went.
Not only are JWs required to shun, they are required to "hate" people which is obviously unscriptural: “We must hate (the disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest.” Watchtower October 1, 1952, page 599.
Hi Llyod 1 quick question can a wife be disfellowshiped if she has left her husband for no reason? I think corinthians says a women can divorce her husband if he stops her worshipping or adultery or abuse if none of these accord and my jw wife left because she wanted to be near her family even though she wanted to move away from them in the first place?
It really depends what is meant by "leaving." A JW wife can separate from her husband for a number of reasons but she can only truly "leave" in the sense that she is free to remarry if either her or her husband confess to (or are found guilty of) adultery. If she remarries without that crucial box being ticked, she can be removed (disfellowshipped) for being in an "adulterous marriage."
They’re low on membership so I’m wondering when they’re going to start drawing in the new immigrants and making them into JWs and giving their monies to WT. There’s their solution of membership growth right there! But the will NOT lend a hand to a community! Unless, as you say, there’s an Elder’s family member in need. 😢
Ok, wait a minut. The KS says specificaly that you Lose your privilegie IF you practice boxing but The DF case is only if you PROMOTE this inside The prganization.
Incorrect. "If a Christian took up professional boxing and refused to stop despite repeated counsel, judicial action would be appropriate." sfl chapter 12 point 37.
From the view of the outsider it might be quite reasonable list of bible sins, seeing that from a devoted christian view. Yet the practice and reality is what defines clearly the cultishness and non-biblicality of the JW judging system. For example one of the very often used reason is the subsection 4. of section 39. "Apostasy". This subsection is called "causing divisions". Under this term the judicial meeting body is used to hide anything and anyone they want to remove. My case included. I know people DFed for pointing out the famous Jacksons Magadan mistake, for pointing out golden watches on GB wrists, for criticising beard rule and bear change, or even for placing questions and insisting on answers or spreading the question elders refused to answer. For reading the Shephered book. The list can be countless. I would be actually interested in following video: The list of the most absurd (even from the biblical-christian standpoint) reasons for DF or DA you gathered from stories, emails etc you have heard of during your channel. A disclaimer that the list is not proofed by two witnesses would make it clear it is mainly for a fun and warning. Please consider it. Give us some tears and laugh.
I added to his list in my comment above; and several others here have too. It's unbelievable; but they're doing EXACTLY WHAT THE PHARISEES DID IN JESUS' DAY: "making the Word of God invalid because of their "Traditions" or man made rules, "going above and beyond what is written."......Matt. 15: 6-9;,.....1 Corinth. 4: 3-6
@@geraniumroseum If I won 300 million Euro I would not drive my tired Toyota anymore would I? :-) Can you hide it? Yes But wouldnt people question why I could retire in my early 40ths?
So if the doctor allow you to smoke «medical» weed its ok, but if you want to cure a headache or backpain after 8 hours on ministry that is disfellowship.
They dont know the true meaning of apostasy. They do not know your heart condition either only God does. They dont kniw your circumstances nor do they believe it as it has gone against their perceived view and congregation gossip cliche. The elders lie turn a blind eye when a relative does as they like even when embarrassing others by their provocative attire as young teens and that includes the complaints of numerous members. The elders pick on another unsuspecting publisher instead mmm...
As for manslaughter, do you think JW Hospital Liaison Elders are engaging manslaughter when they encourage critically injured or severely ill Witnesses to reject a blood transfusion, an act that may lead to the Witness's death. At best it's negligible advice. If manslaughter is a removeable offense in the JW denomination, shouldn't that depend on the circumstances. Manslaughter could involve doing something dangerous that could result in a person's death, and if someone is killed, you may not have intended for that person to die. Manslaughter is kind of complicated. Lying is viewed as being bad, so should members lie about being LGBT, should they lie about being secret apostates? What about lying to protect the interests of the faith when it comes to cases of child sexual abuse, if and when the Watch Tower Society or a local congregation, finds themselves in court of mishandling such cases? Being able to but refusing to provide for your family, well, that should be disapproved of. Many people outside of the JW community don't look to kindly at the idea of abandoning one's family and not making sure they are provided for. A divorced person in the Jehovah's Witness faith, sadly, can never date or get married again if they divorced their spouse for any other reason than their spouse having cheated on them. Even abused Witnesses are symbolically stuck to their abusive ex-spouse. So many of these rules seem so arbitrary or are more complex than the Society makes them out to be. I'm so glad that some of them I can discard and ignore outright, or I can view them as being more complex and subject to interpretation. You know something: If you can easily cover up a case of child sexual abuse in a Witness congregation, then could a local JW congregation's body of Elders potentially do the same for someone who has admitting to having committed a one-time murder or admits to being a serial killer? I would assume that an Elder Body wouldn't do that because of how harsh the legal penalty would be if they dared to try and cover up a murder case. Morality is so much more complex than the Governing Body makes it out to be.
Testimony of 2 witnesses is all that's needed in most cases, whether they're telling the truth or not. Sometimes just the allegation of a single person will result in elders approaching you for a talk in the back room at very least. Having said that, it's all relative. Not what you know but who you know, sorta thing.
@@noone3216 so for a clean JW divorce. you kind of need three pepole in on the conspiracy. two Witnesses and one (non JW) that can say that the target had an affair with them or if the right person listen. only a aligation.
Oh dear, another video about jehovahs witnesses? Why on earth are you so obsessed with them? I understand that you were once one but you really should move on and get a life!!
@davidharris9200, Like it or not, the JW faith has an impact on ex-members' lives. This faith is very strict and very demanding. Being shunned by your family and friends is an issue that, like it or not, is going to impact one's life. The Witnesses' doctrinal policy is going to affect apostates' lives whether we want it to or not -- and most of us don't want it to. For those of us who were raised as Witnesses, especially from birth, being a Jehovah's Witness was all we knew or understood. It's not easy leaving everyone you've ever known behind, nor is it easy to question your religious or moral beliefs and then having to craft a new worldview. If you don't recognize that, that's your problem. If that is the case, then you don't seem to understand much about how religion works, or how religious disaffiliation works either for that matter. Babe, learn to think before you speak.
Wow. That's like saying "omg, another video about stopping and preventing child abuse? Why on earth are you so obsessed with that? I understand that you were abused as a child, and that it'd a horrible thing you don't want to ever happen to others, but god damn, move on and get a life, for real." See how much of a dumb, offensive, ignorant thing to say that is?
So, You as an atheist, are saying all those things you listed, are ok to practice, for someone professing to be Christian?🤔 Your a bit mixed up, me thinks!🤦♂️
@John-oi8mt, I don't think Lloyd said that at all. And at any rate, Christians can't and don't always agree on what behaviors are or are not sinful. For example, some Christian think it is okay to drink alcohol in moderation, and some Christian folks believe that drinking any amount of alcohol no matter how large or small is inherently sinful and that alcohol consumption must not be engaged in and should be avoided at all costs. Some believe that homosexuality is sinful, and others believe that only certain kinds of same-sex relationships (like pederasty, sex between a teenage boy and an adult man or temple prostitution where a Christian might have sex with a male prostitute as part of a religious sexual ritual at a pagan temple) were viewed as sinful by the Biblical authors, not long-term same-sex relations between consenting informed adults as we might understand as homosexuality today. Some Christians believe that polygamy is a sin, Islam and various Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint (Mormon) sects believe that polygynous marriages (where a man is married to multiple women at the same time, with some Muslim who identify as polygynists having up to four wives) is a required practice for adherents of their faith to engage in that they believe to be sanctioned and mandated by God. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (referred to as the LDS Church or the Mormon Church), the largest denomination within the broader Latter Day Saint (Mormon) movement, abandoned the literal practice of polygyny around 1890. Some Christians believe that women should not serve in clerical positions within their congregations, while others believe that women should be granted leadership privileges. There is wide debate over doctrinal beliefs and ritual practices within Christianity as a whole, even within individual denominations and independent congregations that have no denominational affiliation. Do some research.
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Thank you Lloyd for continuing this vital work highlighting the hypocrisy and domineering behaviour of the organisation
Gross Uncleanness We had a backwoodsman type brother who stunk to high heavens but they kept him because of his $$$$$$
I didn’t expect the sheep pic 😂😂
I guess I will never be a J.W because I was guilty of 16 out of 20. Thanks Lloyd for stopping me dead in my tracks😂. I just threw Enjoying Life Forever in my trash can.
Never being a JW is perhaps for the best.
Congratulations!
Thanks Lloyd for the great list❤
Thanks Lloyd let’s get to 120k subs!!!
Preferably 144,000 😉
I was disfellowshipped for gambling, i was told by a fellow exjub that they cant do that...i assure you, they can and did
I was once taken to the “back room” and reprimanded for buying a $5 Scratch-And-Win card.
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You take a gamble every time you drive a car, cross the street,eat at a new restaurant,talk to a stranger etc.whats the difference if you're in a casino having fun with you own damn money .
@@duncanidaho1981this is the kind of crap that is control ridiculousness. Sorry that happened to you.
@@asapstanyou get ds’fd for having fun!😂
@@duncanidaho1981 did you win??
Everything you need for a disfellowship speed run.
Thanks Lloyd for the good laughs 😅.....take care 😘
Sneeze "SANDERSON! 😂😂
Thank you Lloyd for everything that you do, it's most appreciated. I was never bbbbabtized with the cult cuz I recognized the charlatance when I see many.
There's only one thing that ever gets you disfellowshipped, not bowing to the authority of the elders. Even if you're right or justified. Ask the people who were disfellowshipped to cover up CSA.
Ask any Former JW Women that, dared to expose and resist the corrupt and controlling behaviours of the Elders, when Domestic Abuse and/or Marital Sexual Assault was reported to them!
Apparently, according to this Cult; It's more of a Sin to reject the Intrusive Personal Boundaries Crossing by JW Perpetrators and WT Hierarchy, than it is to Stand Up For Actual Truth and Justice and Protect A Person's Own Best Interests and Health. 🙄 😡
The GB call it all “The Fun Shun”. Long ago they got together and wanted to experiment on how far they could induce fear and obedience into the members. It worked. They laughed between one another but like the Wizard of Org, had to keep up the stern front because suicides and displacement of families was the result. Now they are being investigated for crimes they never dreamed would result from their “Fun Shun” experiment. They’ve gone too far.
If joining another religion means that you’re an apostate, then 3/4’s of ALL congregations are apostates since they came from another religion 🤣
My grandfather had Schizophrenia and would tell us he spoke with Jehovah and sometimes Satan. Plus, he was abused and had an extreme temper. Also had awful hygiene issues because he refused to wash his clothes, take baths, or use deodorant because he was extremely tight regarding his money. He threatened to shoot people, slit their throat and put them in a wooden box on a regular basis. However, despite these things, his brother was an elder and my grandfather received special treatment because of favoritism from his elder brother and others that were related in the congregation down in Lousisana. lol this would be another good video. How coverups can protect you from being disfellowshipped.
LOTS of favortism among JWs...Espcially when many have family connections...quite often several members of a family are part of the servant body...Lots of cover ups...it would be a great video to highlight the corruption that is rampant throught this organization. Disgusting to the core...27 yrs before I woke up to the actual "truth" & left!!! STAY FREE!!!!! ❤
Thank you for reminding us of what we, never ins , have been missing out 😂😂😂
Jesus parable of the Prodigal Son blows disfellowshipping right out of the water,just on that one point alone.
I was disfellowshipped for having remarried my husband of 25 years. He had disassociated 6 months earlier. A lot of pressure was put on me because my spirituality was at stake. We got divorced but realized we had made a mistake. We secretly remarried and a week later I was disfellowshipped. So, my husband was my ticket to freedom. 🎉🎉🎉
Wow! Thanks so much Lloyd!! How many of these reason are really in the Bible and how many are actually in the elders book?
My husband got disfellowshipped for not accepting 1914 in 1982… told on by brothers wife !
I may or may not have done several of the "bad" behavior items
Uuummmmm...drunkeness is relative in the JW org...lots of drinking...never heard of a drunk getting df'd & I knew a few who were known alcoholics...most things depend on your connections. In one case a single "friend" was messing with a married guy (well connected) for 10 yrs ...she confessed to the elders & was df'd even tho she confessed ... he was df'd & appealed to Bethel who reversed the decision...so he was "reproved" instead of Df'd...WTF??? The same happened with this guy's wife years before...the married guy she was messing with was DF'd & she was "reproved" SO hypoctitical & dysfunctional? Makes your head spin ... SO grateful to have woken up with some life yet to live...❤ Thank you Lloyd for helping people know the "truth" ... The " real truth" that is!!!!!! 🤗
I was soft shunned when I grew my beard back in 2016 then I stopped going every since then
Glad you grew a beard then! : )
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You were ahead of your time, brother 😂😂
@@jamesblair7232 Hey, now you can return and be loved by all!!
Can confirm, you don't want this shunning
Sometimes it might be a blessing? But not fair in a family.
@@PlethoralityIn what way would it be a blessing?
NOT a blessing! The most ripping, heart-breaking thing an individual can go through. Like being in the middle of a Roman arena with seats by the thousands filled with JWs. You are standing there on the arena ground, alone...while JWs silently hate you to death. It is not a blessing.
Watching the video for the second time.
The alcoholic point is quite interesting since it is a huge problem in JW.
After I went full Pimo I barely touch alcohol anymore.
Its not needed anymore.
Yet I watch the instagram stories of people in the congregation and its always wine every week.
Yes, we are Europeans but the ammount is far higher them normal consumption.
I'll add a few more, Lloyd; that I have found both thru scrutinizing my own case and listening to hundreds of eyewitness ex-JW testimonials here on YT. The elder's "Beat the Flock" book manual, or oh, excuse me, "Shepherd the Flock" book, 😅😆, lists over 40 reasons why they kick out their members! Most of which lack REAL SCRIPTURAL BASIS. But a few more that come to my mind: contracting work with a religious organization, voting in elections, donating money to an activist group that seeks to brings justice to American citizens by prosecuting any organization that violates a citizen's Constitutional rights; raising questions that challenge the JW org's official doctrines; (if the governing body does it, it's called "new light"!);....not listening to an elder's counsel; be it scriptural or a matter of his personal conscience and opinions;...dating a person who is not one of JW's;......taking a blood transfusion; either willingly or under compulsion;.....committing a sin deemed as "serious"; (like fornication), being deeply regretful over it; even CONFESSING IT; and STILL BEING EXPELLED as "discipline"!!......being employed by a civil or government office that the idiot elders believe makes you, "part of the world", or 'politically active' even though your faith is as strong as ever tin God's Kingdom promised at Daniel 2: 44 and you have not ceased witnessing about it to others;........writing your Congressmen/women about matters affecting your family's security, your occupation, criminal activity going unpunished, or other civil matters affecting your ability to provide for your family. These things and many more like it are often deemed as "violating your neutrality" to political affairs. This becomes an extreme twisting of interpretation of what "neutrality" means; and then exposes the truth that the word "neutrality" is NOWHERE FOUND IN SCRIPTURE; MUCH LESS DEFINED! But you're kicked out on your keester if these arrogant pharisees interpret it the wrong way!
I'm sure your viewers will come up with more reasons sincere JW's are often kicked out and then slandered for years by their false and defaming announcement to their congregation that "so and so is no longer one of JW's"!!!!!!!
Thank❤
Its amazing how flexible all of these disfellowshippable offenses are, depending on who's committing the offense..
Damn, I didn't even make it past the first one.
Great video!
I never was, nor will I ever be, a JW; however, your "Top 20" list sounds like a great instruction manual for those who want to get out 😅
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Dang, I commit all of the above. I'm a lost cause lol
They don't care about children
They don't care about Women neither.
In fact, They are not capable of Genuinely caring about Anybody. Not even Each Other.
They are shallow, fickle and lack true insight into the Human Experience.
They Fake It, Every Step Of The Way.
They are Transparent and Toxic.
Tragically.
So many that don't live as they learn (teach).
They don’t learn. They suffocate and fight to escape.
@@christinesotelo7655 Yes, so it was for me too.
We are all imperfect Lloyd..James 3:2 For we stumble many times if anyone does not stumble in word he is a perfect man able to bridle also his whole body…
I love Jehovah myself, iam just a student, for me without the witnesses comforting me through massive trials, especially my study teacher, I wouldn’t be here today..I wouldn’t change any aspect of my life…😊
Faith is good. Yet I implore you to use caution at this vulnerable time. Cling to Faith without joining or being baptized “in”. Your choice of course.
We are all imperfect, that is why we should look out for one another. The experience of one may save another the agonies that those “in” who are tormented with may need support with on escaping. Imperfection should not be an excuse for gross negligence and rejection.
Remember they are just lovebombing you until you get baptised.
Are you not curious or shocked about the JW beeing number 1 on the s*x offender child molester statistics?
Blimey I never knew! What a shame ❤😂
Going to the police to report a r$pe. “Bringing reproach on the organization”
So true. But somehow the governing body and Watchtower Society doesn't bring reproach on Jehovah by lying in court cases, by joining the United Nations, or by lobbying to several UN affiliate and human rights political organizations. Effectively, committing "fornication with the Kings of the earth" in the same way that the religions of "Babylon the Great" have been doing for centuries!
You can get shunned for simply leaving the religion. In my case and many others. When they realize you don’t want to come back, they give up on you and just shun you.
That is why they're a cult as you can't leave, unless you fade in the background and never return.
@@mr.atheist8848and that’s hard to do. You’d practically have to live way up in the mountains where pioneer canvassers wouldn’t come to. Best thing is to shun them first?
I remember when sometime around 1990, I lived In American Canyon, CA. One of the Ministerial Servants, Lonnie Stringer, murdered his wife Cynthia and went to San Quentin. As far as I know, he is still there.
Hey Lloyd , I would love to smoke a Cuban Cigar. I hope that smoking will be allowed soon! Maybe pipes?🤣
15. Refusal to provide for your family - wouldn't shunning family members apply here too?
You are being too logical. They hate that.
@@Plethorality lmao sorry, what was I thinking 😂
The eye wink 3:20 😂😂😂😂😂 how accurate though
I believe that the grounds for disfellowshipping, or removing a member from the congregation should be; if the member is abusive to children or others in the congregation, is disruptive to others, has fits of anger or violence, or does not turn from any of those things. Accepting a blood transfusion in a time of real need, celebrating a birthday or Christmas, reporting sexual abuse to police, and having contact with a disfellowshipped or shunned member or anyone outside of the cult are NOT valid grounds for disfellowshipping or shunning. Also, shunning those who suffered sexual abuse as children is callous, unjust, backward, and just plain unscriptural, and to blame these victims of sexual abuse for their own suffering is presumptuous, arrogant, and mindless, just as claiming that they brought it upon themselves is blatantly and brazenly false.
Oh no. They like all that abusive stuff. The worse you are to children, the more they like to protect their fellow predators. This cult is a sick protection society for pederasts . I wish you could prove me wrong.
Drunkard's as I know all to well is condoned, CSA is condoned as I know all to well, spousal abuse is condoned unfortunately I know this well too. So they pick and choose what their going to do I have a friend and his wife disfellowshipped for a blood transfusion he had leukemia. All valid points Lloyd thank you for the video
#15.
Something that is Excusable and Acceptable, If a JW chooses to not accept employment that would interfere with Meeting Times or Any Other High Control Demands Of The Elders or Watchtower Org.
In such case, The Best Interests of The Cult, overshadow the personal needs and best interests of the Family.
The Family in that case is...SOOL or SUAC(Fill in the blanks, since You Tube would bar such comment 😒).
True. Accepting an extra shift, or substituting for a teacher (whoops-that means you’ve got a higher education and might get ds’fd for that!), working nights so you sleep in the day, working weekends-all can get you counseled by non-credentialed 19 year old Elders, reproved, judged, ds’fd and shunned!
1. "Or anything". 😂
Darn. Three months without bathing so I better confess. 😂😂
There's a lot of things left behind: toasting, advocating birthdays, being part of a political party, advocating voting, using drugs, smoking, ... maybe they can be englobed in some of the categories mentioned but they deserved to be metioned.
An elderly sister was prescribed medical marijuana by her doctor. She asked us to keep it quiet and of course we did. So sad.
Yes but Csa is okk ...apparently
That is what they are set up for. Get families in, to make children, to keep up their supply, then make it a sin to report sa and even murder, to the police. Its a protection ring for pedos, as well as money making for the gb. It serves no other purposes. .
Disfellowshpped for smoking cigarettes & I'm still shunned by close family members decades later! I now see them for the cult they are. 🤬
You think they allowed petty gambling in the hopes one of them wins the lottery? They could build ANOTHER studio.....
I got disfellowshiped for "loose conduct". I was having dinner with co-workers and someone from the congregation saw me and told the elders. I had a judicial meeting and told the elders I didn't see nothing wrong with what I was doing. They said I was associating with worldly people. Asked me if I was going to stop and I said no.
By that standard, Jesus would be disfellowshipped. He ate with sinners and tax collectors
@rodolfoleyva4012,
That's nuts. You were disfellowshipped just for going out to dinner with some non-JW coworkers. It's not like you went out and murdered twenty people. It's crazy to think that a Body of Elders can get away with excommunicating someone for having dinner with a non-JW coworker, but someone like that Eunice Spry woman who claims that she is "sorry" for having brutally abused her own foster children for years, she can potentially still remain a member of a local Witness congregation and be considered as being in good standing because she apologized even though her behavior continues to have an effect on her surviving foster children's adult lives. What the hell.
Thank goodness, I left the JW faith. The standards on and reasons for removal from congregational membership can range into the absurd sometimes, and that's why people can get excommunicated by overzealous Elders over things that aren't even removable offenses (like having dinner with a non-JW coworker). It's a bunch of bull-crap.
Thats not scriptural to disfellowship you for having dinner with co-workers.
Seems like you're telling half the story, we can't but help to associate with people of the world hey we live with them
Loose conduct, define that more clearly please
I'll l never forget speaking with a female sister for 45 min after a meeting and I was grilled as if I stole Tony's whiskey
@jamesniagu274,
Well, if Uncle Tony Morris III does have a problem with alcohol, you'd probably be doing him a favor by stealing and pouring out all his bottles of THE MACALLAN's whiskey.
The fact that you could be found guilty, in the court of law, of murder but jw's just like 'nah, let me decide'
Thank you Lloyd!! Your videos are good! Can you talk about the other US Christian religions that shun but none as bad as JW. I think JW celebrate birthday eventually (Hispanics) and have beards(Middle East) cause these cultures come into JW in which trying to appease.
Side note I must say cousin was police woman and they threaten for her to quit. She did not but later found out her JW hubby was a undercover gay man which JW elders covered up. It came out later and they got divorced.
I was ds’fd for arguing against the No Blood Doctrine and stating I’d save my child’s life. To top it off, I had the audacity 😂 to rescue my kindergartener from a long dark hallway as the rest of the class celebrated Xmas cupcakes, which led us (me and my kids) to go to a tree lot, bring home a tiny tree and try to hide it, bake cookies and...celebrate to salve his little broken heart. JW hub comes home and reports THAT to the Elders too. I was ds’fd that wknd and shunned for “Apostasy”. Husband had an affair with my best friend. He was not ds’fd because I already was and couldn’t tell anyone because they couldn’t have anything to do with me. So there ya go. There I went.
Not only are JWs required to shun, they are required to "hate" people which is obviously unscriptural: “We must hate (the disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest.”
Watchtower October 1, 1952, page 599.
Hi Llyod 1 quick question can a wife be disfellowshiped if she has left her husband for no reason?
I think corinthians says a women can divorce her husband if he stops her worshipping or adultery or abuse if none of these accord and my jw wife left because she wanted to be near her family even though she wanted to move away from them in the first place?
It really depends what is meant by "leaving." A JW wife can separate from her husband for a number of reasons but she can only truly "leave" in the sense that she is free to remarry if either her or her husband confess to (or are found guilty of) adultery. If she remarries without that crucial box being ticked, she can be removed (disfellowshipped) for being in an "adulterous marriage."
Duck the Watchtower!
They’re low on membership so I’m wondering when they’re going to start drawing in the new immigrants and making them into JWs and giving their monies to WT. There’s their solution of membership growth right there! But the will NOT lend a hand to a community! Unless, as you say, there’s an Elder’s family member in need. 😢
Ok, wait a minut. The KS says specificaly that you Lose your privilegie IF you practice boxing but The DF case is only if you PROMOTE this inside The prganization.
Incorrect. "If a Christian took up professional boxing and refused to stop despite repeated counsel, judicial action would be appropriate." sfl chapter 12 point 37.
If I ate a whole box of rainbow donuts?
From the view of the outsider it might be quite reasonable list of bible sins, seeing that from a devoted christian view. Yet the practice and reality is what defines clearly the cultishness and non-biblicality of the JW judging system. For example one of the very often used reason is the subsection 4. of section 39. "Apostasy". This subsection is called "causing divisions". Under this term the judicial meeting body is used to hide anything and anyone they want to remove.
My case included. I know people DFed for pointing out the famous Jacksons Magadan mistake, for pointing out golden watches on GB wrists, for criticising beard rule and bear change, or even for placing questions and insisting on answers or spreading the question elders refused to answer. For reading the Shephered book. The list can be countless. I would be actually interested in following video: The list of the most absurd (even from the biblical-christian standpoint) reasons for DF or DA you gathered from stories, emails etc you have heard of during your channel. A disclaimer that the list is not proofed by two witnesses would make it clear it is mainly for a fun and warning. Please consider it. Give us some tears and laugh.
I added to his list in my comment above; and several others here have too. It's unbelievable; but they're doing EXACTLY WHAT THE PHARISEES DID IN JESUS' DAY: "making the Word of God invalid because of their "Traditions" or man made rules, "going above and beyond what is written."......Matt. 15: 6-9;,.....1 Corinth. 4: 3-6
I would be kicked out every 2nd day.
What about telling them they are all a bunch of weirdos and have lost their minds and that they are liars and don't trust them?
Tempting but it doesnt help. Asking them questions are more fun.
Short shorts & tight pants.
However all of these reasons to shun & abuse are always dependant upon who you are.
So... if you're really going to be guilty of child sex abuse, you have to sell tickets first? Oh dear lord, what IS the matter with these people?
Have we had a test case of nicotine-free vaping?
I wondered that!
Hi Lloyd. How about making fun of or criticism of a member of the GB ?
I think you are missing yout congregation David. Better go back.
Are we allowed to gamble now?
If I drop a 5 euro note and win 300 million that is kosher now? 😅
Je to vaše rozhodnutí. Proč byste jim to měl oznámit, když vyhrajete peníze?
@@geraniumroseum If I won 300 million Euro I would not drive my tired Toyota anymore would I? :-)
Can you hide it? Yes
But wouldnt people question why I could retire in my early 40ths?
What about tattoos? When I grew up that was a big huge No no!
Its kosher now
So if the doctor allow you to smoke «medical» weed its ok, but if you want to cure a headache or backpain after 8 hours on ministry that is disfellowship.
They dont know the true meaning of apostasy. They do not know your heart condition either only God does.
They dont kniw your circumstances nor do they believe it as it has gone against their perceived view and congregation gossip cliche.
The elders lie turn a blind eye when a relative does as they like even when embarrassing others by their provocative attire as young teens and that includes the complaints of numerous members. The elders pick on another unsuspecting publisher instead mmm...
What if youre disfellowshipped for porneia, but offer them £500k to take you back? 😂
As for manslaughter, do you think JW Hospital Liaison Elders are engaging manslaughter when they encourage critically injured or severely ill Witnesses to reject a blood transfusion, an act that may lead to the Witness's death. At best it's negligible advice. If manslaughter is a removeable offense in the JW denomination, shouldn't that depend on the circumstances. Manslaughter could involve doing something dangerous that could result in a person's death, and if someone is killed, you may not have intended for that person to die. Manslaughter is kind of complicated. Lying is viewed as being bad, so should members lie about being LGBT, should they lie about being secret apostates? What about lying to protect the interests of the faith when it comes to cases of child sexual abuse, if and when the Watch Tower Society or a local congregation, finds themselves in court of mishandling such cases?
Being able to but refusing to provide for your family, well, that should be disapproved of. Many people outside of the JW community don't look to kindly at the idea of abandoning one's family and not making sure they are provided for. A divorced person in the Jehovah's Witness faith, sadly, can never date or get married again if they divorced their spouse for any other reason than their spouse having cheated on them. Even abused Witnesses are symbolically stuck to their abusive ex-spouse. So many of these rules seem so arbitrary or are more complex than the Society makes them out to be. I'm so glad that some of them I can discard and ignore outright, or I can view them as being more complex and subject to interpretation.
You know something: If you can easily cover up a case of child sexual abuse in a Witness congregation, then could a local JW congregation's body of Elders potentially do the same for someone who has admitting to having committed a one-time murder or admits to being a serial killer? I would assume that an Elder Body wouldn't do that because of how harsh the legal penalty would be if they dared to try and cover up a murder case. Morality is so much more complex than the Governing Body makes it out to be.
So how much evidence do JW need for this kinds of things.
Testimony of 2 witnesses is all that's needed in most cases, whether they're telling the truth or not. Sometimes just the allegation of a single person will result in elders approaching you for a talk in the back room at very least.
Having said that, it's all relative. Not what you know but who you know, sorta thing.
@@noone3216 so for a clean JW divorce. you kind of need three pepole in on the conspiracy. two Witnesses and one (non JW) that can say that the target had an affair with them or if the right person listen. only a aligation.
They said the two witness rule did NOT apply because we were related. What in the world? The requirement is not in the Bible as we all know
you forgot about tobacco
No he mentioned that
2:33
I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but I hope you haven’t been compromised. You know since you have that blonde hair.
Most of you are fulfilling Bible prophecy where it says they will say lying things about you.
And don’t forget voting for President Trump! 6:30
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Oh dear, another video about jehovahs witnesses? Why on earth are you so obsessed with them? I understand that you were once one but you really should move on and get a life!!
If that’s how you feel then why are you watching this channel?
@davidharris9200,
Like it or not, the JW faith has an impact on ex-members' lives. This faith is very strict and very demanding. Being shunned by your family and friends is an issue that, like it or not, is going to impact one's life. The Witnesses' doctrinal policy is going to affect apostates' lives whether we want it to or not -- and most of us don't want it to. For those of us who were raised as Witnesses, especially from birth, being a Jehovah's Witness was all we knew or understood. It's not easy leaving everyone you've ever known behind, nor is it easy to question your religious or moral beliefs and then having to craft a new worldview.
If you don't recognize that, that's your problem. If that is the case, then you don't seem to understand much about how religion works, or how religious disaffiliation works either for that matter. Babe, learn to think before you speak.
Are you a member?
Wow. That's like saying "omg, another video about stopping and preventing child abuse? Why on earth are you so obsessed with that? I understand that you were abused as a child, and that it'd a horrible thing you don't want to ever happen to others, but god damn, move on and get a life, for real."
See how much of a dumb, offensive, ignorant thing to say that is?
So,
You as an atheist, are saying all those things you listed, are ok to practice, for someone professing to be Christian?🤔
Your a bit mixed up, me thinks!🤦♂️
Yes, they're ok to practice since there are no rules in life. Sin is just a word to guilt-trip followers into believing a religion
@John-oi8mt,
I don't think Lloyd said that at all. And at any rate, Christians can't and don't always agree on what behaviors are or are not sinful. For example, some Christian think it is okay to drink alcohol in moderation, and some Christian folks believe that drinking any amount of alcohol no matter how large or small is inherently sinful and that alcohol consumption must not be engaged in and should be avoided at all costs. Some believe that homosexuality is sinful, and others believe that only certain kinds of same-sex relationships (like pederasty, sex between a teenage boy and an adult man or temple prostitution where a Christian might have sex with a male prostitute as part of a religious sexual ritual at a pagan temple) were viewed as sinful by the Biblical authors, not long-term same-sex relations between consenting informed adults as we might understand as homosexuality today.
Some Christians believe that polygamy is a sin, Islam and various Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint (Mormon) sects believe that polygynous marriages (where a man is married to multiple women at the same time, with some Muslim who identify as polygynists having up to four wives) is a required practice for adherents of their faith to engage in that they believe to be sanctioned and mandated by God. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (referred to as the LDS Church or the Mormon Church), the largest denomination within the broader Latter Day Saint (Mormon) movement, abandoned the literal practice of polygyny around 1890.
Some Christians believe that women should not serve in clerical positions within their congregations, while others believe that women should be granted leadership privileges. There is wide debate over doctrinal beliefs and ritual practices within Christianity as a whole, even within individual denominations and independent congregations that have no denominational affiliation. Do some research.
Your comprehension skills aren't that great, are they.