John I don't know how you haven't more subscribers. Your channel is excellent and varied. Also you are well informed and an excellent interviewer. Subcriper from Drogheda 💙💜💙💜
I’m from Birmingham with a northern Irish mom and a English dad and growing up I was constantly having to explain to my mates that the north is British not Irish but in general I get the feeling no body in England was bothered about the troubles
You like so many in the past and present are wrong As was the rest of Ireland illegally occupied by a foreign country but no more the rest of Ireland will follow
It’s bringing back bad memories.Grew up in Islington in the 80s . English people in General treated us well considering bombs were going off .When i thought of Birmingham as a kid or I heard of Birmingham on the news I thought it was a bad place to be if you were Irish .COYG
The Irish were very unpopular because many were young single people who were a long way from home and all restraining influences. They liked to drink and dance and made a lot of noise at night. They were perceived as bad neighbours who were a nuisance in densely populated working class areas. There were similar issues with black immigrants.
And what were they doing during the day? WORKING on the infrastructure of a Land that exploited their country for hundreds of years. So I guess a few late nights is forgivable yeah?
I lived in London in the 80's and early 90's and in the main had a great experience where I never had any blow back as a result of the IRA bombing campaign. The only thing I did experience the odd time was Irish jokes and the thick Paddy stereotype. I think I would have preferred anti Irish sentiment as a result of the IRA campaign rather than the irish stereotypes
He knows little about the Irish Birmingham. There was no IRA in 1963 when I was told to "get back to your bogs, you thick Irish " and that was the school teachers. Most kids hid behind a Brummie accent.
I'm skeptical after the statement of being told rubber (plastic) bullets were modified by soldiers with razor blades. Impossible to even try the such with a baton round / rubber bullets. The plastic was inadaptable. The baton round was sealed, unable to open without force and then unfirable so, the claim of adapting them is lies. The actual worst part of a baton round was if it ricochet, hence picking up speed and often not of course in the intended direction
I'm still stuck on the fact he said he dislikes Irish music, yet went to the wolfe tones concert. I would like to have the interviewer tease out more some of the irishphobia esp the self-hating kind.
What a great episode i definitely have to look into the dr's stuff sounds intriguing. I saw it in East London in dalston in the 70s as a kid No blacks No dogs And no irish, i did chuckle that we were lower than dogs But seeing that as an irish kid in london wasnt very cool but im very proud of being from west belfast i would try to not let it effect me but it was funny to see how the troubles and the irish were portrayed in London was funny strange days indeed 💚
Any premises in Britain in the 1970s displaying a sign saying “no blacks no dogs no Irish” would have been heavily fined and possibly closed down, under the 1960s race discrimination laws. This legend only came about in the 1980s when this particular sign was mocked up by Irish activists for an Irish cultural event in London, in an attempt to link the Irish to the undoubted and documented discrimination (“no coloureds”), suffered by people from the Caribbean and the Subcontinent before the introduction of the race discrimination laws. The Irish activists succeeded in this linking, beyond their wildest dreams, as many people nowadays wrongly believe that this particular sign was all over the place. I have even seen people online claiming to have seen this sign in the 1990s, which is impossible. What they actually saw was the photo of the mocked up sign.
And yet…Ireland - his Country - had conducted a bombing campaign in 1939 before WW2 started - Coventry 25.8.1939 - Ireland stayed neutral throughout the War - why shouldn‘t some Brits think the way he objects to…And although neutral in WW2 Ireland benefitted from the Marshall Plan the purpose of which was to help European countries ruined by their involvement in the War…and why was the Urush economy so bad that his family had to seek work in Britain…? Not a single syllable of thanks to Britain and they are still at it! The IRA is an extreme right wing Organisation ie extremely nationalistic to the point of utter hatred towards the English…
Smashing interview, what an intelligent, pragmatic & interesting man Dr. Flavin is to listen to, thoroughly enjoyed this John. Now I'm off to watch the men of Scotia panel the Germans in the fitba. 🤪Alba gu bath! 💙✊🏻🏴
i saw this sign in an English bar is Spain. It exists. I have also had very bad experiences in England. I have also had some wonderful experiences with the English people.
Me my mam, dad and brother went to Birmingham to see family from dublin,living in Birmingham now 40 years ,but in 1990/91 . My mam brought me and my brother to a park in Birmingham, my mam told me that we got bullied out of the park coz of our accents.i was 4 ?
00:00 “NO BLACKS NO DOGS NO IRISH” sign- was it real?? 03:50 Michael’s parents move to England 07:05 Many other children of immigrants ? 08:50 BIRMINGHAM B*MBINGS impact on Michael’s life 20:20 Gerry Adams leadership writings 26:30 INLA splits 54:30 Do most English people consider Northern Irish people to be “British” ?
@@dgmmo thank you.. if there’s anything you’d like to correct or important details missed please shoot me an email thegoodlistenerpodcast@gmail.com (in strict confidence, I wouldn’t share any info)
The state now identified as The Republic of Ireland was formed as a sectarian state 102 years ago. Northern Ireland or Ulster has been a country for many, many millennia with absolutely no sovereign connection to the Southern Kingdoms or Southern Ireland ever. All religious denominations thived and grow in Northern Ireland, but unfortunately Protestants in the Republic of Ireland have been largely driven out. The Protestant population has dropped from 11% to 3% since 1911 and the creation of what is now the Republic of Ireland. Dublin has also been engaged in expansionist proxy incursions, false flag operations and ethnic cleansing episodes to eradicate the Northern Irish like the Ulster Plantations for centuries, so the two countries or their historical violence should not be confused with one another. This programme of denial of the Northern Ireland or Ulster states right to exist and the ethnic cleansing of the Northern Irish, is still a work in progress by Dublin, but failing miserably after centuries of massive effort, gas-lighting, ethnic cleansing, genocide and loss of life. The Northern Irish are the king makers in Northern Ireland and the future, not Irish Republicans or those that foolishly identify as British.
@NorthernIrishCitizensAlliance. I doubt very much will you ever get a job as a history teacher. On the other hand, you may have a future as a pseudo history teacher.
@@timothyoreilly6675 An independent Northern Ireland would be infinitely preferable to joining Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan in demographic oblivion and mass poverty.
@@davidpryle3935 Thanks for your comment. We deal in facts but it’s not possible to educate the misinformed when they confine themselves to generalise insults such as yours. You should try to improve yourself by challenging the gas lighting you have been spoon fed, doing genuine research so that in any future challenges you make, you can be specific, not just offensive. Thanks again for your comment,
@@NorthernIrishCitizensAlliance On the contrary, I am very familiar with this subject, and can see all sides of this particular argument. But anyone saying that Ulster, the most Gaelic province on the island of Ireland until the 1600s, the province most resistant to English rule, had nothing to do with the rest of Ireland, cannot be taken seriously.
There is plenty of photos that these notices did exist. Come on, re writing history here. A recent video on the irish in birmingham , clearly shows one of these notices in the window. My parents went to england ( liverpool) in the 1950s . By and large they did ok. However, in the early seventies things changed and they left . They saw racism first hand, aimed at the black community and themselves. Blacks couldnt even go into the city centre.
That’s the thing you see. There is only one photo of this particular sign “no blacks no dogs no Irish”, and it is of very dubious origin. On the other hand there are tons of photos of signs saying “no coloureds”.
Blacks and Irish are not the same. Irish were workers in the UK and had been colonised for around a 1000 years. The Irish have cultural and racial similarities with British people. Irish should be allowed to live in the UK, blacks should not - neither should Indians or Chinese.
John I don't know how you haven't more subscribers. Your channel is excellent and varied. Also you are well informed and an excellent interviewer. Subcriper from Drogheda 💙💜💙💜
I’m from Birmingham with a northern Irish mom and a English dad and growing up I was constantly having to explain to my mates that the north is British not Irish but in general I get the feeling no body in England was bothered about the troubles
No wonder no-one was bothered coming away with that nonsence that your not Irish. See a doctor as quick as possible.
It's Irish, always has been always will be
You like so many in the past and present are wrong
As was the rest of Ireland illegally occupied by a foreign country but no more the rest of Ireland will follow
1st generation irish canadian here. I taught in Sheffield in '96/7 & there was a lot of hatred for the irish.
It’s bringing back bad memories.Grew up in Islington in the 80s . English people in General treated us well considering bombs were going off .When i thought of Birmingham as a kid or I heard of Birmingham on the news I thought it was a bad place to be if you were Irish .COYG
It was bad for us .UTV
The Irish were very unpopular because many were young single people who were a long way from home and all restraining influences. They liked to drink and dance and made a lot of noise at night. They were perceived as bad neighbours who were a nuisance in densely populated working class areas. There were similar issues with black immigrants.
And what were they doing during the day? WORKING on the infrastructure of a Land that exploited their country for hundreds of years. So I guess a few late nights is forgivable yeah?
I lived in London in the 80's and early 90's and in the main had a great experience where I never had any blow back as a result of the IRA bombing campaign. The only thing I did experience the odd time was Irish jokes and the thick Paddy stereotype. I think I would have preferred anti Irish sentiment as a result of the IRA campaign rather than the irish stereotypes
another good chat keep them coming it would be good if u could get Geary Adams on god bless Ireland 🇮🇪
He knows little about the Irish Birmingham. There was no IRA in 1963 when I was told to "get back to your bogs, you thick Irish " and that was the school teachers. Most kids hid behind a Brummie accent.
Gerry Adam's grandparents were behind the dynamite campaign in the uk in the late 1800s ✔
@freebeerfordworkers iv half scouse half dublin 🤫☘❤❤💚
I never heard that no Irish need apply in England here in Boston these signs were all over
the city around 1900.
I'm skeptical after the statement of being told rubber (plastic) bullets were modified by soldiers with razor blades. Impossible to even try the such with a baton round / rubber bullets. The plastic was inadaptable. The baton round was sealed, unable to open without force and then unfirable so, the claim of adapting them is lies. The actual worst part of a baton round was if it ricochet, hence picking up speed and often not of course in the intended direction
It's funny as a protestant i experienced hate from some English people when i lived there attending university. They would call me 'Paddy'.
Getting called paddy is hardly hate mate
@@kenny1057 it is to me.
Brilliant account, I played many times in Glebe Farm. Thank you.
Curly Watts
I'm still stuck on the fact he said he dislikes Irish music, yet went to the wolfe tones concert. I would like to have the interviewer tease out more some of the irishphobia esp the self-hating kind.
What a great episode i definitely have to look into the dr's stuff sounds intriguing.
I saw it in East London in dalston in the 70s as a kid
No blacks
No dogs
And no irish,
i did chuckle that we were lower than dogs
But seeing that as an irish kid in london wasnt very cool but im very proud of being from west belfast i would try to not let it effect me but it was funny to see how the troubles and the irish were portrayed in London was funny
strange days indeed 💚
Any premises in Britain in the 1970s displaying a sign saying “no blacks no dogs no Irish” would have been heavily fined and possibly closed down, under the 1960s race discrimination laws.
This legend only came about in the 1980s when this particular sign was mocked up by Irish activists for an Irish cultural event in London, in an attempt to link the Irish to the undoubted and documented discrimination (“no coloureds”), suffered by people from the Caribbean and the Subcontinent before the introduction of the race discrimination laws.
The Irish activists succeeded in this linking, beyond their wildest dreams, as many people nowadays wrongly believe that this particular sign was all over the place.
I have even seen people online claiming to have seen this sign in the 1990s, which is impossible.
What they actually saw was the photo of the mocked up sign.
Very interesting, hope you have him back!
And yet…Ireland - his Country - had conducted a bombing campaign in 1939 before WW2 started - Coventry 25.8.1939 - Ireland stayed neutral throughout the War - why shouldn‘t some Brits think the way he objects to…And although neutral in WW2 Ireland benefitted from the Marshall Plan the purpose of which was to help European countries ruined by their involvement in the War…and why was the Urush economy so bad that his family had to seek work in Britain…? Not a single syllable of thanks to Britain and they are still at it! The IRA is an extreme right wing Organisation ie extremely nationalistic to the point of utter hatred towards the English…
Smashing interview, what an intelligent, pragmatic & interesting man Dr. Flavin is to listen to, thoroughly enjoyed this John. Now I'm off to watch the men of Scotia panel the Germans in the fitba. 🤪Alba gu bath! 💙✊🏻🏴
Refused in a Welsh pub for being English 😢
Football brought together the multi cultural community in Birmingham
i saw this sign in an English bar is Spain. It exists. I have also had very bad experiences in England. I have also had some wonderful experiences with the English people.
I live in London I saw it 💯
My Granddad was from county Cork, my Mum was English, wish I'd Known my Father side
Me my mam, dad and brother went to Birmingham to see family from dublin,living in Birmingham now 40 years ,but in 1990/91 . My mam brought me and my brother to a park in Birmingham, my mam told me that we got bullied out of the park coz of our accents.i was 4 ?
hope you're back in oirland
@@unknowman1955 I am. Yes, if flying over to the uk in a day or week or so for some leisure time, 👍 dual citizenship in all 👌
00:00 “NO BLACKS NO DOGS NO IRISH” sign- was it real??
03:50 Michael’s parents move to England
07:05 Many other children of immigrants ?
08:50 BIRMINGHAM B*MBINGS impact on Michael’s life
20:20 Gerry Adams leadership writings
26:30 INLA splits
54:30 Do most English people consider Northern Irish people to be “British” ?
As a widow of one if rhe founding members of the INLA in 1996 please be careful where and who you get your information from
@@dgmmo thank you.. if there’s anything you’d like to correct or important details missed please shoot me an email thegoodlistenerpodcast@gmail.com (in strict confidence, I wouldn’t share any info)
The state now identified as The Republic of Ireland was formed as a sectarian state 102 years ago. Northern Ireland or Ulster has been a country for many, many millennia with absolutely no sovereign connection to the Southern Kingdoms or Southern Ireland ever.
All religious denominations thived and grow in Northern Ireland, but unfortunately Protestants in the Republic of Ireland have been largely driven out. The Protestant population has dropped from 11% to 3% since 1911 and the creation of what is now the Republic of Ireland.
Dublin has also been engaged in expansionist proxy incursions, false flag operations and ethnic cleansing episodes to eradicate the Northern Irish like the Ulster Plantations for centuries, so the two countries or their historical violence should not be confused with one another.
This programme of denial of the Northern Ireland or Ulster states right to exist and the ethnic cleansing of the Northern Irish, is still a work in progress by Dublin, but failing miserably after centuries of massive effort, gas-lighting, ethnic cleansing, genocide and loss of life.
The Northern Irish are the king makers in Northern Ireland and the future, not Irish Republicans or those that foolishly identify as British.
Are you trying to achieve an independent Northern Ireland?
@NorthernIrishCitizensAlliance. I doubt very much will you ever get a job as a history teacher.
On the other hand, you may have a future as a pseudo history teacher.
@@timothyoreilly6675
An independent Northern Ireland would be infinitely preferable to joining Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan in demographic oblivion and mass poverty.
@@davidpryle3935
Thanks for your comment. We deal in facts but it’s not possible to educate the misinformed when they confine themselves to generalise insults such as yours.
You should try to improve yourself by challenging the gas lighting you have been spoon fed, doing genuine research so that in any future challenges you make, you can be specific, not just offensive.
Thanks again for your comment,
@@NorthernIrishCitizensAlliance On the contrary, I am very familiar with this subject, and can see all sides of this particular argument. But anyone saying that Ulster, the most Gaelic province on the island of Ireland until the 1600s, the province most resistant to English rule, had nothing to do with the rest of Ireland, cannot be taken seriously.
This guy looks a bit like a younger version of Richard Dawkins!!
Helloooo dehr!
😊😂😢
Yeah it did excist
Yuk what ignorant views!
There is plenty of photos that these notices did exist. Come on, re writing history here. A recent video on the irish in birmingham , clearly shows one of these notices in the window. My parents went to england ( liverpool) in the 1950s . By and large they did ok. However, in the early seventies things changed and they left . They saw racism first hand, aimed at the black community and themselves. Blacks couldnt even go into the city centre.
That’s the thing you see. There is only one photo of this particular sign “no blacks no dogs no Irish”, and it is of very dubious origin. On the other hand there are tons of photos of signs saying “no coloureds”.
Blacks and Irish are not the same. Irish were workers in the UK and had been colonised for around a 1000 years. The Irish have cultural and racial similarities with British people. Irish should be allowed to live in the UK, blacks should not - neither should Indians or Chinese.