both are great players but neither seems to understand the advantage of getting to the net to end a point. i understand it's clay but basically the strategy here is only to slug away until the point is over. there is very little maneuvering of the opponent to create opportunities for a winner and no moving in to at least take better advantage of short balls.
neither understands? or they understand but choose to play a certain style. We are talking about professionals here who play tennis day in day out. edit: just finished watching the entire video. Your comment makes even less sense now. Even in this short highlight video, I see them create plenty of opportunities for winners and moving in on any short ball.
@@MrFunkywhale : i'd love to see some stats on the match and then we could deal with more than just our impressions. for instance, how many approach shots did they make, how many winners off a volley, etc etc etc as a person who has played (and watched) a lot of tennis myself, it is usually clear to me when a player is comfortable on the baseline and not really making the effort to move forward. Federer (an exception in so many ways, of course) is one who does, as do many of the other very top players. Federer runs a lot of plays, too - ie serve out wide, then go cross court (sometimes from the net). another example is when he "pins" the other player by hitting behind them one 'extra' time and then hitting to the open court for an un-contestable winner. i didn't see much of that in this video, as well. so, all of these observations speak to a certain level of sophistication that is lacking from the players in this video... that is not to slam them - again, very few players reach that level in today's very demanding game. these players deserve a lot of kudos for the levels they have reached in professional tennis. still, i believe my impression is right that although these players are clearly great at tennis there may be room for them to flesh out their games in the directions i've just indicated. it's possible you're right, also, if that makes you feel better about it. maybe, as you said, they were trying to move forward consistently. also, they may not have the capability to play winning tennis while moving forward. or, for some reason, both choose not to do so against their opponent in this video. there are many nuances and possibilities. i was only offering up my own impression. and, again, it is possible i'm wrong. yet, i'm not coming out of left field on this... Federer did recently comment that he wished more people were teaching up-and-coming players to get to the net, as he has observed that seems to be overlooked in today's professional game.
@@trents3515 "it's possible you're right, also, if that makes you feel better about it". First off, I love your passive aggressive attitude. Also, you don't need to qualify your credentials. "as a person who has played (and watched) a lot of tennis myself". To be clear, I completely agree with you in terms of possibly leveling up their game quickly and efficiently by going to the net more often. However, I was highlighting the difference in styles. Not everyone is an all court player. There are also aggressive and defensive baseliners. Djokovic and Nadal overall rarely go to the net, yet they dominate as well. Not all styles fit every player. As an example of style change, Federer in 2017 started stepping in on all his backhands and dominated the first half of the season. However, there is a reason that he stopped that style of play. I also thought that your comments were statistically wrong based on anecdotal evidence. You are right though. Factual evidence would need to be gathered. Lastly, I guess i was also a little peeved at your "big brain superior knowledge" mindset, exampled by your phrasing of "neither seems to understand the advantage of getting to the net to end a point." As if you had a superior understanding of such a basic principle than the pros that live on the tour.
@@MrFunkywhale : i agree there are different styles. i disagree, though, that Nadal doesn't get into the net frequently. although he stands in a different zip code when receiving serves, he is often up there finishing off points, too. Djokovic will get to the net, too, although admittedly (it seems) less frequently than Federer and Nadal. i can understand why you might be peeved by the implication that a pro didn't understand a basic principle. yet, many of them, according to Federer, actually don't, at least in practice... i saw nothing to dissuade me regarding those two particular players but maybe i am wrong. i also appreciate the potential advantage of hanging around the baseline, generally speaking. with today's technology and on slower courts (especially, obviously, clay), it is so much easier to pass. yet, i ask, what is the bleeping point of playing great from the baseline, gaining advantage after advantage, only to not press that advantage home by closing to the net or at minimum at least moving in? some people really don't get that, although it seems you do. moving to the net has to be done at the right time, of course. Lendl was a great player for a long time but how much would he have won more if he only could have played the net a little bit? Wilander, to your point, was a counter-puncher or defensive baseliner, but had the capability to play the net when he got lost (maybe, more frequently than that) and found himself there. those were different times, though, and maybe tennis was even a different sport. something else Federer said is he wishes that there was more variety in court speed as that would make things more interesting, which i have to agree with, too. anyway, i'm sure we'd like each other well enough if we ever ran in to each other on the tennis courts and probably would even enjoy getting a beer later. so i have no hard feelings for a fellow tennis junkie...
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5:26 Corentin Moutet is defending so well
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GS's are relatively slow with a lot of topspin, maybe its the clay that demands that type of play..
Lol those aren’t slow 😂
both are great players but neither seems to understand the advantage of getting to the net to end a point. i understand it's clay but basically the strategy here is only to slug away until the point is over. there is very little maneuvering of the opponent to create opportunities for a winner and no moving in to at least take better advantage of short balls.
neither understands? or they understand but choose to play a certain style. We are talking about professionals here who play tennis day in day out.
edit: just finished watching the entire video. Your comment makes even less sense now. Even in this short highlight video, I see them create plenty of opportunities for winners and moving in on any short ball.
@@MrFunkywhale :
i'd love to see some stats on the match and then we could deal with more than just our impressions. for instance, how many approach shots did they make, how many winners off a volley, etc etc etc
as a person who has played (and watched) a lot of tennis myself, it is usually clear to me when a player is comfortable on the baseline and not really making the effort to move forward. Federer (an exception in so many ways, of course) is one who does, as do many of the other very top players.
Federer runs a lot of plays, too - ie serve out wide, then go cross court (sometimes from the net). another example is when he "pins" the other player by hitting behind them one 'extra' time and then hitting to the open court for an un-contestable winner. i didn't see much of that in this video, as well.
so, all of these observations speak to a certain level of sophistication that is lacking from the players in this video...
that is not to slam them - again, very few players reach that level in today's very demanding game. these players deserve a lot of kudos for the levels they have reached in professional tennis.
still, i believe my impression is right that although these players are clearly great at tennis there may be room for them to flesh out their games in the directions i've just indicated.
it's possible you're right, also, if that makes you feel better about it. maybe, as you said, they were trying to move forward consistently. also, they may not have the capability to play winning tennis while moving forward. or, for some reason, both choose not to do so against their opponent in this video.
there are many nuances and possibilities. i was only offering up my own impression.
and, again, it is possible i'm wrong.
yet, i'm not coming out of left field on this... Federer did recently comment that he wished more people were teaching up-and-coming players to get to the net, as he has observed that seems to be overlooked in today's professional game.
@@trents3515 "it's possible you're right, also, if that makes you feel better about it". First off, I love your passive aggressive attitude.
Also, you don't need to qualify your credentials. "as a person who has played (and watched) a lot of tennis myself".
To be clear, I completely agree with you in terms of possibly leveling up their game quickly and efficiently by going to the net more often. However, I was highlighting the difference in styles. Not everyone is an all court player. There are also aggressive and defensive baseliners. Djokovic and Nadal overall rarely go to the net, yet they dominate as well. Not all styles fit every player. As an example of style change, Federer in 2017 started stepping in on all his backhands and dominated the first half of the season. However, there is a reason that he stopped that style of play.
I also thought that your comments were statistically wrong based on anecdotal evidence. You are right though. Factual evidence would need to be gathered.
Lastly, I guess i was also a little peeved at your "big brain superior knowledge" mindset, exampled by your phrasing of "neither seems to understand the advantage of getting to the net to end a point." As if you had a superior understanding of such a basic principle than the pros that live on the tour.
@@MrFunkywhale :
i agree there are different styles.
i disagree, though, that Nadal doesn't get into the net frequently. although he stands in a different zip code when receiving serves, he is often up there finishing off points, too. Djokovic will get to the net, too, although admittedly (it seems) less frequently than Federer and Nadal.
i can understand why you might be peeved by the implication that a pro didn't understand a basic principle. yet, many of them, according to Federer, actually don't, at least in practice... i saw nothing to dissuade me regarding those two particular players but maybe i am wrong.
i also appreciate the potential advantage of hanging around the baseline, generally speaking. with today's technology and on slower courts (especially, obviously, clay), it is so much easier to pass. yet, i ask, what is the bleeping point of playing great from the baseline, gaining advantage after advantage, only to not press that advantage home by closing to the net or at minimum at least moving in? some people really don't get that, although it seems you do.
moving to the net has to be done at the right time, of course. Lendl was a great player for a long time but how much would he have won more if he only could have played the net a little bit? Wilander, to your point, was a counter-puncher or defensive baseliner, but had the capability to play the net when he got lost (maybe, more frequently than that) and found himself there. those were different times, though, and maybe tennis was even a different sport.
something else Federer said is he wishes that there was more variety in court speed as that would make things more interesting, which i have to agree with, too.
anyway, i'm sure we'd like each other well enough if we ever ran in to each other on the tennis courts and probably would even enjoy getting a beer later. so i have no hard feelings for a fellow tennis junkie...
@@trents3515 tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American 🙄
nice tennis here
Nice view
i wanna be a good tenniser
Vamoooooooooooooos!
Moutet looks awful to play against lol
why ?
@@amaurya7689 high shots and slices
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