Long ago I read a twitter status which went along the lines "I never want my children to think "I messed up my dad's gonna kill me" I want them to hink "I messed up, I have to call my dad" and Atreus was thinking exactly the same. As soon as he knew he fucked up of not insignificant proportions the first person he turned to was his dad. Kratos might have been a little distant, short tempered sometimes, and he might have pushed his training, but nobody can deny it that he is a good father. Because his son knows, no matter what, no matter who he chooses to be. His Father will be always there. They came a long way since Atreus saying that his father should've died instead of his mother. Go Dad of Boi
Love the Jack reference at the end lol. But this is so true, I hope one day my kids feel comfortable and loved enough by me to come to me when they screw up
I love how Atreus drops his bow and just runs to Kratos like a child needing comfort from their parent when they feel completely alone and as if they committed the biggest mistake of their life.
Yeah you can defend a lot of atreus’ actions in this game as the product of a young man struggling to do the right thing alongside figuring out his identity… but the Garm thing is a proper screwup.
A small detail of Odin’s deception is how he just carelessly tosses Ingrid onto the bed. His words sound peaceful but he is angry on the inside. Little things like that give away how he manipulates everyone
I was in a real religious cult before. And I can assure you all that the way Oden's character is developed is EXACTLY how cult leader manipulate people. Look up the definitions for narcissistic, gaslighting, and manipulation, put them together, and that's what real cult leaders are like. They guilt-trip everyone, excuse themselves, and claim themselves righteous for everything they do. They are beings of concentrated evil, twisting words and dripping with hypocrisy in every word. Oden is exactly like them. It's horrible and they deserve no mercy and full judgment. Also understand they make a conscious choice to do what they're doing. Don't think they're not right in the head. No, they willingly commit evil. They deserve to be punished.
I cried when I finished this game. Angry Kratos made me think so much of my own father, but to see him change and become the father Atreus needed because he loved his son so much. Just made me wish my own dad was able to make this change.
this and the last hug he shares with his son always melts my heart, you can finally see Kratos begin to relax in the last one, throughout the game he's constantly on edge ready for battle but once Odin is no more, and the 8 realms are safe, you see him relax as he holds his son before his son leaves and he's just happier, he knows Atreus is ready, and now he can concentrate on being the god he's always wanted to be he maybe the god of war, but now he can do it his way
Anyone noticed when Kratos handed off Mimir that he quickly changed his mind from fake Tyr to Freya much to her reluctance? Shows he doesn't trust Tyr but trusts Freya.
If only we could have an Alexa type device that is shaped like Mimir and sounds like him when it talks. That would be something I would buy in a heartbeat.
Another detail i noticed and it could be a nothing burger, but notice tyre is closest to kratos yet he still handed mimir to Freya. Could be he never fully trusted Tyre or something else
I love how Kratos gets everyone off Atreus' back because he knows _exactly_ how it feels to make mistakes and then brood on them while blaming yourself.
Arteus"hay how it going...this is your boy Loki..and I'm gonna be kicking my dad's ass all day today... let's go"(Arteus then go into his home and then start beating up his dad while he is sleeping on his bed)(WHAM,SLAM,SLAM,WHAM,SLAP,) kratos"AHH...AHH...NO...STOP IT...BOY..STOP IT...AHH... DAMMIT..AHH....OW...AHH..OUCH ENOUGH....AHH..come on...come on boy...your acting crazy out there man...god,dammit...sigh"!(Arteus run out of the home)
"This is a fuck-up of not insignificant proportions" has gotta be my favorite line from the game. Despite the seriousness of the scene I started laughing as soon as mimir said it
best part of it, is that it's so round about, like he coulda just said of large proporations or something like that, but of not insignificant proportions is so much better.
@@CyberSubZero0 Considering what happened later on too...while it was Atreus' fault as well, nobody could have seen it coming. Nobody could have really known. That makes it hurt all the more.
@@CyberSubZero0 Yeah but he also wasn't in control of his rage at that point. Everyone ganged up on Atreus knowing full well he already tried to kill both Kratos and Freya because he couldn't control his powers. It was an accident and they all shouldn't have surrounded him when he was obviously distressed enough as is.
True, but like Sindri said, some were bigger fools. Not to entirely fault Atreas cause he’s just a kid, but it was his pursuit for prophecy that ultimately caused everything to fall into place.
A perfect moment of Odin's manipulation is how in Asgard he's seen as calm, understanding, and reasonable person when confronted with the garm situation as well as the missing mask piece. Contrast to "Tyr" immediately casting blame on Atreus for the realm tears and making it all seem as his fault, most likely in an effort to dissuade Atreus from his father and friends.
Even better, Mimir is utterly silent, showing that he understands that it's asking a lot from her and that he isn't going to risk annoying her by opening his mouth at all.
The way he says “what do I call you” is just really impactful to me. It’s a father who sees a young man growing into his own, one who’s struggling with his identity, and the first question he asks, almost in a submissive and apologetic tone, is that. His primary concern is making sure his son knows that, whoever he chooses to be, he will be his father. As someone with a very rocky relationship with my father, this touched my heart
Personally I feel is the opposite, he seems angry when asking it as if telling him, "are you gonna let the Loki tale get over your head again, or be my son and listen to me for once?!" And he seemed ready to call out Atreus depending on the answer. The hug really caught him off guard and showed just how sorry Atreus was for leaving
@@makairidah8354 I’d argue because he even asked he wasn’t going to immediately go into “you’re my son and you should listen to me” mode, the implication of asking what do I call you above all else to me shows kratos has begun accepting that Atreus is trying to find who he is in such a big and complicated world
@@ShaneFussell i myself think it was a bit to know why he came back, atreus, is his son, Loki, is the "Champion", The one wanting to go to war, the one that left, who worked with Odin, i felt it was a bit of "Did you come back to say you are sorry, to make up for Just leaving, or does the Champion need something", but for sure keeping a bit of all anwsers above as well, Just a simple thing, short scene, but it can be intepreted in so many ways
7:45 When a person with problems hugs you, let she/he be the one to let go first. You never know how much that hug is needed. This is a lesson often taught to kindergarten teachers when treating with kids.
@@stwawbewwycat9378 Different places teach different things, but it is something I learned while helping babysit, more of an old adage than a lesson taught in a school.
2:01 Did anyone notice what Odin said? “Hugin will be waiting for you in your OLD home”. Odin occasionally does slip here and there and very subtly reveals that he’s been watching their every move but nobody ever really notices. Kratos should’ve asked himself how Odin knew where he was in Svartalfheim and what he was doing and Atreus should’ve asked himself how does Odin know that he doesn’t live in the cabin anymore.
Normally, Atreus would make excuses. Normally, Kratos would scold him. Normally, the others would come to the former's defense. Interesting to see roles reversed. Shows how much both have grown.
I think this scene is really touching on multiple levels. When Kratos visits the Nors you see his worst nightmare is losing his son to Odin, driving his own kid away. Also when he asks what do I call you, you can hear that fear coming through, that he still might have lost him. But when he runs in for the hug you can see the relief. He is so relieved that his son still wants him as his father. That he hasn’t chosen Odin over him.
The norns warned that’s what would happen if he continued his current patterns of behavior and decision making. Kratos was just THERE for Atteus, was the only one to suggest fixing this mistake, and throughout helheim ensured he and atreus addressed their issues with each other. As a result, Atreus does not hesitate to remain with Kratos until it is time to find the giants. Well fucking played norns indeed
Just noticed that Odin kinda gave away that he knew more about where Atreus was living. The lines about the company Atreus keeps and how one of his ravens would be waiting for him in his OLD home show that Odin knew Atreus was hanging around multiple people, not just Kratos, who are his enemies, and that it wasn't at the house him and Thor visited. Good stuff, Santa Monica Studios.
Exactly, and since his raven spies can't enter the realm between realms, the ONLY way for him to have such knowledge was for him to either have physically been there and experienced everything firsthand, OR if he had a mole hidden among the people in Sindri and Brok's house. Since the second scenario is entirely unlikely, the former was the only valid explanation. Unfortunately nobody else had the foresight or was clever enough to figure that out before he revealed himself by killing Brok
actually his ravens can enter the realms between realms however they can’t teleport in it, he somehow managed to sneak a raven and hid it in his dark ass room
@@davidcrawford5324 They CAN enter the realm between realm. Odin needs to know where to go is all. Once they walked Odin into Brok and Sindri's home, he would know to return exactly there.
Well he did know Mimir was living with him in his old home, but literally everything else subtly gives it away. Also the fact that "Tyr" asked if it was Loki's doing despite NEVER ONCE hearing the name before. Even if he had, it would probably be brought to his attention that it was Atreus' birth name.
I don't really wish to dismiss your praise towards such a masterpiece, but what Odin calls Atreus' company can very well just mean Kratos and Mimir, and him talking about their old home doesn't necessarily imply that he knows where they all reside now, just that he knows they left the house
Then Kratos lets go, about to go on his old, usual "OK that's enough, explain, boy.", but then notices the 'problem' in both his line of thinking and what's happening - Atreus is still hugging him, even burrows himself just slightly deeper - *and he doesn't know what to do*. But then he notices what he's going back to (and how well *that* worked out), and does what he *should* do, as awkward as it is for the 'God of War'. Hugging his son so he could feel safe and loved. They really went over and beyond with these details.
@@Kashlikaro its an amazing game to study with it story telling and character development, there is a lot behind this game and all the interactions with all the characters.
I love that even though Atreus is trying to be this smart, strong god and “champion of the giants” Loki, he still runs back to his dad to feel safe. It really shows how close they’ve grown since the last game when Atreus was constantly upset that it was Faye that was gone and not Kratos. And I think Kratos was just shocked to have Atreus back, he probably thought he had lost him to Atreus’s vision of being Loki and finding answers with Odin.
I think it's so heartfelt and in character how Kratos stops his hug momentarily before going back into it again. It speaks volumes about his thought process. Initially he reciprocates glad that Atreus is safe, though in line with his demeanor the hug would be brief. But seeing as how Atreus continued to hug him tightly, Kratos knew better as a parent that his son needed it more and then asked him what's wrong. I also think it could be a small vestige of how he would admit to Atreus later on that he was falling back into his old ways of being distrustful. The hug was a way of showing that he was finally getting past that. Edit: Looking at the comments here, I feel that I should say some things; things that should've been said earlier. To everyone, I am overwhelmed by and greatly appreciate your support and positivity in the comments. I am also thankful to those who have defended me. Everyone has the right to express themselves as they wish, this we can all get behind on I’m sure. But there is also value in silence and letting sleeping dogs lie, when it counts. By this, I mean that while I appreciate your support in expressing opinions and passion in art, I see no need in hammering down or singling out another individual to drive a point across. If anything, continuing to do so becomes counterproductive and just turns into another form of bullying altogether. My heart soars that we have such positivity present here, but let us take care not to let such passion indirectly be channeled into what we strive to fight against. To set a record straight, I never took the comment to be directly attacking or that hurtful. As many of you have noticed, yes my response was a way of turning the cheek; a more playful and positive response. Additionally, I know how verbose I can be as a person, and sometimes that can be off putting to others. Maybe it’s not something to apologize for, but I would rather excuse myself than leave it as is without being considerate even if it’s a bit much. I do hope that I can continue to see more comments about this moment in the game. By Kratos wisdom, I hope we can all just take this as a lesson, and move forward amicably.
@@AnotherSupremacyGuy I did in fact go outside today, thanks for your concern! If you're finding the frequency which I've been commenting on these videos annoying, I apologize. I've been enjoying the game a lot and enjoy sharing opinions and engaging in conversations about a work of art like this.
This is how you know Kratos has really become a father. Everyone else is angry and suspicious of Atreus but Kratos can see that his son is in pain. He knows that people who are confused and frightened don't need people to be angry. They need someone to be there for them.
"Garm! Great bleeding fuck lad you freed Garm?" *Mimir said calmly* i just i can't with his reaction he rarely looses his crap but when he does somehow it's lowkey hilarious
You know you f*cked up when Mimir starts to fuss at you. I may not know much of Norse mythology but a giant wolf chained up in hell for whatever reason and then released is never a good thing
Letting Mimir, Freya and Odin Tyr mildly chastise Atreus before cutting them off is such a dad thing to do. It made sure he understood the gravity of his mistake before he assured Atreus they would fix it. He wanted him to experience that brief moment of hopelessness as a means of cementing the lesson he needed to learn.
I think it's more like Kratos had no idea who Garm is, how bad the situation is, the context of Hel Walkers popping out of nowhere in a place where it should be impossible for them to reach, and what Atreus is talking about when he says it's his fault. so he lets the Norse experts (Mimir, "Tyr" and Freya) speak so that he understands the weight of the situation, then cuts them off so that Atreus doesn't feel worse than he already is, then says the one thing his son REALLY needed to hear from the most important person in his life; "We'll fix it"
The best part about this is that despite their disagreements and arguments, Atreus knows he can return to Kratos even when he messes up. This scene reminds me of at the beginning of the game, when Atreus tells his father to stop thinking like a father and think like a general and Kratos’ response is to shout “NO!” Kratos just can’t seem to turn of dad-mode and Atreus knows it
I love at 5:53 when Atreus goes "Whoa! They explode?" when Kratos uses the Draupnir spear, and Freya has to redirect him. Even with everything else going on, he's still a teenage boy, and an infinitely regenerating spear that also EXPLODES is going to capture his interest.
"One that we---will fix. Together." Atreus owned up to his mistake, and instead of letting Atreus languish in guilt and condemnation from the others, Kratos put a silence to them, acknowledged that Atreus made an error but said, we will fix this. Took responsibility even though it wasn't his fault. Authentic, fatherhood, manhood or more accurately grace--whatever you want to call it, it is so powerful.
This video and the scenes in it help contrast Kratos and Odin perfectly. Odin, whilst aware of Garm's rampage, makes it clear he's not going to intervene with his line "We're safe in Asgard", showing his utter apathy towards the suffering of others and how he passive-aggressively guilt trips Atreus, "But freeing Garm, that was a big one (mistake)". He's also likely more upset over the lack of a new mask part. Kratos, upon learning what Atreus did, rather than chew him out, immediately tells his son that they will fix it. Not just to help Atreus mend his mistake, although that is easily a big part of it considering his own past, but because he's witnessed first hand what Garm's freedom has wrought. He knows they have to stop any more damage from being done.
I really liked the detail when kratos asked "what do i calk you?" And responded with "atreus" this shows how strong their bond is how close they are. Even though atreus went against his dads wish he still cares about him. It shows that kratos is not only a warrior but also a father who loves his Son Edit: when atreus hugs him and kratos hugs him back then lets go for a moment and hugs him again, and the soundtrack helps us see just how close they are how much Kratos cares for his son. He is the father every son should have
It’s so incredible to see how far these guys have come and just how much Atreus has grown to love Kratos. Parents for the most part have an innate love for their kids but kids don’t always have an innate love for their parents. In the first game Atreus wished that Kratos had died instead of Faye and resented Kratos for being the one that lived. Now it looks like Kratos has become Atreus’s safe place for the most part. And it’s so interesting to see Atreus trying to be this big, strong god and “champion of the giants” Loki to crying in his father’s arms. I’m not saying that as a pass on Atreus either, he knows he messed up and he knows his father will do anything to help him fix his mistakes and he’s just been through crap with Thrud being mad at him, Heimdall bullying him, Thor threatening him and Odin being mad at him but I’m really subtle, mind messing ways. And for Kratos, we saw that his biggest fear is losing Atreus and he’s said time and time again that he would do anything, including going to full scale war, to keep Atreus safe. He’s also scared of backpedaling to where they were in GOW 2018 with Atreus resenting him and turning to anyone else even Odin. I think him asking Atreus what he should call him is his way of trying to get Atreus to like and trust him again by going with Atreus’s ideas and showing Atreus accepts him. I think Atreus realizes his father is one of very few people who will always be with him on whatever he decides and will always accept him for who he is. Obviously Kratos is also very scared to lose another child especially as horrifically as he did Calliope. To me this scene perfectly captures a scared little kid running to their father looking for one of the most basic and early forms of comfort.
Sobbing? I don't mean to sound "edgy" or whatever the kids say today, and I don't know your age, but the infantilization of adults in this country is becoming epidemic
Once again I should have known to reply to an adult human being with a cartoon character as their profile picture. You people are all exactly the same. Jesus it's pathetic.
As a father.......this scene had me tearing up.......at the end of the day you'd do anything for your son no matter what they do.......brings into perspective Freya in the 1st game
To be fair to Atreus, Odin didn't warn him nor Thrud about Garm AT ALL. I assume it was part of his plan to delay Ragnarok. as someone else in the comment section said, it allowed Odin to ruin Atreus's trust in his friends by having the whole group, himself as Tyr included, scold him, making Odin appear as the greater source of empathy. And don't you find it strange he said that it wouldn't affect Asgard at all? He likely intended for Atreus to free Garm to delay the progress of Kratos and the others via Helheim tears everywhere in the other 8 realms. And to make it all work, he went back to his Tyr disguise and refused to help them fight off the Hel walkers, likely hoping they would lose. Little did he know Kratos and Atreus would reconnect.
7:21 "What do I call you?" I love the subtle messages Kratos is communicating in this one sentence. It's an acknowledgment of Atreus' will, a yearning for him to return, the opposite of shunning him. It's a perfect response for an ashamed Atreus who wants to return.
You see here that even though Atreus messed up and he admits to it kratos still stands by his son and tells everyone to back off and leave him alone...it's a mistake that we'll fix...kratos may be a a tough god of war but he still has that soft side when it comes to his family and friends
The massacre of millions and a country destroyed. ;3 atreaus was rather tame. My question was - did those monsters ever got to civilization and reck havoc or was it all an isolated incident.
“Get off your back!” The way a father would somehow always swoop in at last second to help you out of a bind even after knowing that you had fucked everything up. I lost my father a couple years back and knowing that there’s no one to pull me out of the fire this time around will forever haunt me.
Remember The mask? Stanley Ipkiss would wear the mask and become a green faced animated character and utilizes slapstick humor making a mess out of his opposition? That mask was created by Loki. Really wanted Atreus to wear it lol, and go berserk lol
I like the idea that 2 of the main reasons for Kratos defending his son in this instance: The first is obvious, Atreus took responsibility as a man instead of making excuses. The second was also a standard that Kratos set near the beginning with Lyngbakr. Atreus saw a chained up wolf that looked miserable, much like Lyngbakr, and was unaware of its nature. Kratos made great mention that he hates this sort of treatment, being a former slave himself.
6:33 I like how mimir calls tyr/Odin useless this hits differently after knowing this but I would’ve loved to see the real tyr actually fighting something I bet tyr only fights when he needs to fight
Huh, if only a certain SOMEBODY (Heimdall) had been there to maybe let Atreus know that the souless wolf of Helheim was actually imprisoned for a good reason. Ya know, like Odin had ORDERED him to do.
Long ago I read a twitter status which went along the lines "I never want my children to think "I messed up my dad's gonna kill me" I want them to hink "I messed up, I have to call my dad"
and Atreus was thinking exactly the same. As soon as he knew he fucked up of not insignificant proportions the first person he turned to was his dad. Kratos might have been a little distant, short tempered sometimes, and he might have pushed his training, but nobody can deny it that he is a good father. Because his son knows, no matter what, no matter who he chooses to be. His Father will be always there. They came a long way since Atreus saying that his father should've died instead of his mother. Go Dad of Boi
Love the Jack reference at the end lol. But this is so true, I hope one day my kids feel comfortable and loved enough by me to come to me when they screw up
I love how Atreus drops his bow and just runs to Kratos like a child needing comfort from their parent when they feel completely alone and as if they committed the biggest mistake of their life.
To be fair, Atreus easily did make the biggest mistake of his life.
Yeah you can defend a lot of atreus’ actions in this game as the product of a young man struggling to do the right thing alongside figuring out his identity… but the Garm thing is a proper screwup.
Yeah well he’s only 15… he literally is a child
A small detail of Odin’s deception is how he just carelessly tosses Ingrid onto the bed. His words sound peaceful but he is angry on the inside. Little things like that give away how he manipulates everyone
I noticed that as well very good details
And his fists are balled up
Yea, honestly when he was being tyr.. he liked to indirectly create passive idea about odin or trigger fight between kratos team
@@fernald2201 right like calling Atreus "champion" and then saying he chose his words "carelessly"...
I was in a real religious cult before. And I can assure you all that the way Oden's character is developed is EXACTLY how cult leader manipulate people. Look up the definitions for narcissistic, gaslighting, and manipulation, put them together, and that's what real cult leaders are like. They guilt-trip everyone, excuse themselves, and claim themselves righteous for everything they do. They are beings of concentrated evil, twisting words and dripping with hypocrisy in every word. Oden is exactly like them. It's horrible and they deserve no mercy and full judgment. Also understand they make a conscious choice to do what they're doing. Don't think they're not right in the head. No, they willingly commit evil. They deserve to be punished.
I cried when I finished this game. Angry Kratos made me think so much of my own father, but to see him change and become the father Atreus needed because he loved his son so much. Just made me wish my own dad was able to make this change.
You finish the game? Can I have the disk ?
Bro nobody cares abt ur dad problems
Your dad aint that sigma
I hope you have a better relationship with your father now ☹️💖🙏🏽
Yeah, I do too hope that your relationship with your father gets better. 🙏
I love mimirs reaction to garm being free at 8:26
Everytime Atreus hugs Kratos Kratos struggles with holding back his tears
'Tyr': Garm? Who freed Garm? That's madness? Surely not you, young one...?
Don't play dumb with us. U was informed 10 minutes ago
"off your back" "a Spartan NEVER lets his back hit the ground!" Nice little throwback there.
That's was deep and I almost cry
Can’t lie
Same
this and the last hug he shares with his son always melts my heart, you can finally see Kratos begin to relax in the last one, throughout the game he's constantly on edge ready for battle
but once Odin is no more, and the 8 realms are safe, you see him relax as he holds his son before his son leaves and he's just happier, he knows Atreus is ready, and now he can concentrate on being the god he's always wanted to be
he maybe the god of war, but now he can do it his way
I feel like all our collective inner children were like "Dad's here! It's gonna be fine." when Kratos showed up.
I loved it when Kratos and Arterus hugged in this scene its just my favorite scene 💕
Kratos: What do I call you?
Atreus: “… Call me boy!”
9:13 Low Kratos trying to give Tyr and Freya Head
Anyone noticed when Kratos handed off Mimir that he quickly changed his mind from fake Tyr to Freya much to her reluctance? Shows he doesn't trust Tyr but trusts Freya.
Dont be sorry father… Be better- Atreus
the belt of chaos was waiting for him
If only we could have an Alexa type device that is shaped like Mimir and sounds like him when it talks. That would be something I would buy in a heartbeat.
I was 12 when this game came out and I’m sorry but I cried to this scene. (it was that time of the month and I’m usually more dramatic)
this ending made me sob
or part idk
The mistake odin made here was thinking that atreus was like him
Another detail i noticed and it could be a nothing burger, but notice tyre is closest to kratos yet he still handed mimir to Freya. Could be he never fully trusted Tyre or something else
I love how Kratos gets everyone off Atreus' back because he knows _exactly_ how it feels to make mistakes and then brood on them while blaming yourself.
Its you!!😃
...wait...😕
Its you!😠
0:18 that brown shield
Arteus"hay how it going...this is your boy Loki..and I'm gonna be kicking my dad's ass all day today... let's go"(Arteus then go into his home and then start beating up his dad while he is sleeping on his bed)(WHAM,SLAM,SLAM,WHAM,SLAP,) kratos"AHH...AHH...NO...STOP IT...BOY..STOP IT...AHH... DAMMIT..AHH....OW...AHH..OUCH ENOUGH....AHH..come on...come on boy...your acting crazy out there man...god,dammit...sigh"!(Arteus run out of the home)
best scene 🥹
"Off your back. " And immediately summons a spear with spartan cloth.
A Spartan never lets his back hit the ground.© Deimos, we remember you, brother!
yes
I hope that was intentional because that hit me in my childhood
Deimos would be proud
We can only imagine if Deimos lived to see his nephew grow up.
True God of War fans know this line bro …it’s a bad spartan saying and reference to Ghost of Sparta game and Deimos !
"This is a fuck-up of not insignificant proportions" has gotta be my favorite line from the game. Despite the seriousness of the scene I started laughing as soon as mimir said it
Leave it to mimir to once again have the best dialogue
Mimir is always the best companion even tho he is just a head lmao
@@Omega-jg4oq hes actually one of the best relics you can have in the game
best part of it, is that it's so round about, like he coulda just said of large proporations or something like that, but of not insignificant proportions is so much better.
I give it to when he calls oden an “ALL FUCKER” and Oden response being “what did you call me???”
“It’s you! … wait, it’s you!”
Man, the degradation of Sindri and Atreus’ relationship hurt.
well i mean.. he did kinda hit him in bear form..... so i would also be slightly mad at him too
@@CyberSubZero0 idk I think it’s understandable on both parts
@@CyberSubZero0 Considering what happened later on too...while it was Atreus' fault as well, nobody could have seen it coming. Nobody could have really known. That makes it hurt all the more.
@@CyberSubZero0 Yeah but he also wasn't in control of his rage at that point. Everyone ganged up on Atreus knowing full well he already tried to kill both Kratos and Freya because he couldn't control his powers. It was an accident and they all shouldn't have surrounded him when he was obviously distressed enough as is.
True, but like Sindri said, some were bigger fools. Not to entirely fault Atreas cause he’s just a kid, but it was his pursuit for prophecy that ultimately caused everything to fall into place.
A perfect moment of Odin's manipulation is how in Asgard he's seen as calm, understanding, and reasonable person when confronted with the garm situation as well as the missing mask piece. Contrast to "Tyr" immediately casting blame on Atreus for the realm tears and making it all seem as his fault, most likely in an effort to dissuade Atreus from his father and friends.
And it instantly backfires by having Kratos come to Atreus's aid and protecting him from the others.
@@casartherandom3010 Odin underestimates Kratos' control of himself. That's why he makes a good father. He can be angry for the right reason.
I love how Freya looks so done when she has to take Mimir's head.
"Like seriously, you want _me_ to carry this guy around?"
Bro, her whole story like was "*Sigh*" every time she has to deal with Brok and Mimir LOL.
Even better, Mimir is utterly silent, showing that he understands that it's asking a lot from her and that he isn't going to risk annoying her by opening his mouth at all.
More like "ugh , not again"
I love how Sindri is so happy to see Atreus he forgets to be mad for a sec
Until brok gets killed and he blamed atreus for his death
Shocked to see Atreus “It’s you!” Remembers why he’s wearing a bandage in the first place “Wait, it’s YOU!!!”
@@aaronatkinson177 The Tyr in question: 🗿
The way he says “what do I call you” is just really impactful to me.
It’s a father who sees a young man growing into his own, one who’s struggling with his identity, and the first question he asks, almost in a submissive and apologetic tone, is that. His primary concern is making sure his son knows that, whoever he chooses to be, he will be his father.
As someone with a very rocky relationship with my father, this touched my heart
Personally I feel is the opposite, he seems angry when asking it as if telling him, "are you gonna let the Loki tale get over your head again, or be my son and listen to me for once?!" And he seemed ready to call out Atreus depending on the answer.
The hug really caught him off guard and showed just how sorry Atreus was for leaving
@@makairidah8354 I’d argue because he even asked he wasn’t going to immediately go into “you’re my son and you should listen to me” mode, the implication of asking what do I call you above all else to me shows kratos has begun accepting that Atreus is trying to find who he is in such a big and complicated world
@@ShaneFussell i myself think it was a bit to know why he came back, atreus, is his son, Loki, is the "Champion", The one wanting to go to war, the one that left, who worked with Odin, i felt it was a bit of "Did you come back to say you are sorry, to make up for Just leaving, or does the Champion need something", but for sure keeping a bit of all anwsers above as well, Just a simple thing, short scene, but it can be intepreted in so many ways
very interesting thoughts on it all in these replies guys amazing.
Especially since later, what he's called unravels everything.
7:45
When a person with problems hugs you, let she/he be the one to let go first. You never know how much that hug is needed.
This is a lesson often taught to kindergarten teachers when treating with kids.
I never got the lesson is it a new thing
@@stwawbewwycat9378 lmao true
@@stwawbewwycat9378 Different places teach different things, but it is something I learned while helping babysit, more of an old adage than a lesson taught in a school.
2:01 Did anyone notice what Odin said? “Hugin will be waiting for you in your OLD home”. Odin occasionally does slip here and there and very subtly reveals that he’s been watching their every move but nobody ever really notices. Kratos should’ve asked himself how Odin knew where he was in Svartalfheim and what he was doing and Atreus should’ve asked himself how does Odin know that he doesn’t live in the cabin anymore.
I mean they did spot Odin’s ravens in Svartalfheim, so I just assumed that’s how he knew.
Also he could be talking about asgard as his new home
Normally, Atreus would make excuses. Normally, Kratos would scold him. Normally, the others would come to the former's defense. Interesting to see roles reversed.
Shows how much both have grown.
Kratos: You’ve done fucked up, boi!
he remembered his promise to Faye and he knows that Atreus needs father more than teacher, he already knows he fucked up and needs someone to help him
That's interesting, I never noticed that till now.
And “Tyr” seems extremely upset while Odin is a lot more understanding, interesting….
Which one is the former
I think this scene is really touching on multiple levels. When Kratos visits the Nors you see his worst nightmare is losing his son to Odin, driving his own kid away. Also when he asks what do I call you, you can hear that fear coming through, that he still might have lost him.
But when he runs in for the hug you can see the relief. He is so relieved that his son still wants him as his father. That he hasn’t chosen Odin over him.
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The norns warned that’s what would happen if he continued his current patterns of behavior and decision making. Kratos was just THERE for Atteus, was the only one to suggest fixing this mistake, and throughout helheim ensured he and atreus addressed their issues with each other. As a result, Atreus does not hesitate to remain with Kratos until it is time to find the giants.
Well fucking played norns indeed
“Off your back” A spartans back never touches the ground - Deimos
Thinking back, it’s funny how Mimir and Freya also say that sometimes when you die throughout the game.
“Come on Kratos, off your back!”
Just noticed that Odin kinda gave away that he knew more about where Atreus was living. The lines about the company Atreus keeps and how one of his ravens would be waiting for him in his OLD home show that Odin knew Atreus was hanging around multiple people, not just Kratos, who are his enemies, and that it wasn't at the house him and Thor visited. Good stuff, Santa Monica Studios.
Exactly, and since his raven spies can't enter the realm between realms, the ONLY way for him to have such knowledge was for him to either have physically been there and experienced everything firsthand, OR if he had a mole hidden among the people in Sindri and Brok's house. Since the second scenario is entirely unlikely, the former was the only valid explanation. Unfortunately nobody else had the foresight or was clever enough to figure that out before he revealed himself by killing Brok
actually his ravens can enter the realms between realms however they can’t teleport in it, he somehow managed to sneak a raven and hid it in his dark ass room
@@davidcrawford5324 They CAN enter the realm between realm. Odin needs to know where to go is all. Once they walked Odin into Brok and Sindri's home, he would know to return exactly there.
Well he did know Mimir was living with him in his old home, but literally everything else subtly gives it away. Also the fact that "Tyr" asked if it was Loki's doing despite NEVER ONCE hearing the name before. Even if he had, it would probably be brought to his attention that it was Atreus' birth name.
I don't really wish to dismiss your praise towards such a masterpiece, but what Odin calls Atreus' company can very well just mean Kratos and Mimir, and him talking about their old home doesn't necessarily imply that he knows where they all reside now, just that he knows they left the house
i love how he atreus hugs kratos, no words he just wanted to feel safe again
Then Kratos lets go, about to go on his old, usual "OK that's enough, explain, boy.", but then notices the 'problem' in both his line of thinking and what's happening - Atreus is still hugging him, even burrows himself just slightly deeper - *and he doesn't know what to do*. But then he notices what he's going back to (and how well *that* worked out), and does what he *should* do, as awkward as it is for the 'God of War'. Hugging his son so he could feel safe and loved.
They really went over and beyond with these details.
@@Kashlikaro its an amazing game to study with it story telling and character development, there is a lot behind this game and all the interactions with all the characters.
I love that even though Atreus is trying to be this smart, strong god and “champion of the giants” Loki, he still runs back to his dad to feel safe. It really shows how close they’ve grown since the last game when Atreus was constantly upset that it was Faye that was gone and not Kratos. And I think Kratos was just shocked to have Atreus back, he probably thought he had lost him to Atreus’s vision of being Loki and finding answers with Odin.
I think it's so heartfelt and in character how Kratos stops his hug momentarily before going back into it again. It speaks volumes about his thought process. Initially he reciprocates glad that Atreus is safe, though in line with his demeanor the hug would be brief. But seeing as how Atreus continued to hug him tightly, Kratos knew better as a parent that his son needed it more and then asked him what's wrong. I also think it could be a small vestige of how he would admit to Atreus later on that he was falling back into his old ways of being distrustful. The hug was a way of showing that he was finally getting past that.
Edit: Looking at the comments here, I feel that I should say some things; things that should've been said earlier.
To everyone, I am overwhelmed by and greatly appreciate your support and positivity in the comments. I am also thankful to those who have defended me. Everyone has the right to express themselves as they wish, this we can all get behind on I’m sure. But there is also value in silence and letting sleeping dogs lie, when it counts. By this, I mean that while I appreciate your support in expressing opinions and passion in art, I see no need in hammering down or singling out another individual to drive a point across. If anything, continuing to do so becomes counterproductive and just turns into another form of bullying altogether.
My heart soars that we have such positivity present here, but let us take care not to let such passion indirectly be channeled into what we strive to fight against. To set a record straight, I never took the comment to be directly attacking or that hurtful. As many of you have noticed, yes my response was a way of turning the cheek; a more playful and positive response. Additionally, I know how verbose I can be as a person, and sometimes that can be off putting to others. Maybe it’s not something to apologize for, but I would rather excuse myself than leave it as is without being considerate even if it’s a bit much.
I do hope that I can continue to see more comments about this moment in the game. By Kratos wisdom, I hope we can all just take this as a lesson, and move forward amicably.
Please for the love of god go outside
@@AnotherSupremacyGuy take your own advice and shove off
@@AnotherSupremacyGuy lol
@@AnotherSupremacyGuy I did in fact go outside today, thanks for your concern! If you're finding the frequency which I've been commenting on these videos annoying, I apologize. I've been enjoying the game a lot and enjoy sharing opinions and engaging in conversations about a work of art like this.
@@chakinabox do not stop giving us these detailed explanations
This is how you know Kratos has really become a father. Everyone else is angry and suspicious of Atreus but Kratos can see that his son is in pain. He knows that people who are confused and frightened don't need people to be angry. They need someone to be there for them.
“Off your back.”
_A Spartan never lets his back hit the ground._
Right son?🥲
"Garm! Great bleeding fuck lad you freed Garm?" *Mimir said calmly* i just i can't with his reaction he rarely looses his crap but when he does somehow it's lowkey hilarious
i thought it was great seeing his aggressive side develop in this game. it led to some pretty hilarious dialogue, this line especially
@@A-Ner2 It's delightful but also i can't even call it aggresive tbh he's just..exasperated beyond words
You know you f*cked up when Mimir starts to fuss at you. I may not know much of Norse mythology but a giant wolf chained up in hell for whatever reason and then released is never a good thing
Letting Mimir, Freya and Odin Tyr mildly chastise Atreus before cutting them off is such a dad thing to do. It made sure he understood the gravity of his mistake before he assured Atreus they would fix it. He wanted him to experience that brief moment of hopelessness as a means of cementing the lesson he needed to learn.
Reminds me of something my dad once said to me
"I will always make sure you understand the weight of your mistakes, but I will never let you drown"
@@mugsmcratmin6842and llll
I think it's more like Kratos had no idea who Garm is, how bad the situation is, the context of Hel Walkers popping out of nowhere in a place where it should be impossible for them to reach, and what Atreus is talking about when he says it's his fault. so he lets the Norse experts (Mimir, "Tyr" and Freya) speak so that he understands the weight of the situation, then cuts them off so that Atreus doesn't feel worse than he already is, then says the one thing his son REALLY needed to hear from the most important person in his life; "We'll fix it"
The best part about this is that despite their disagreements and arguments, Atreus knows he can return to Kratos even when he messes up.
This scene reminds me of at the beginning of the game, when Atreus tells his father to stop thinking like a father and think like a general and Kratos’ response is to shout “NO!”
Kratos just can’t seem to turn of dad-mode and Atreus knows it
Considering the last time Kratos switched off "Dad mode" and went full General, his last family felt it for all of twenty seconds.
I love at 5:53 when Atreus goes "Whoa! They explode?" when Kratos uses the Draupnir spear, and Freya has to redirect him. Even with everything else going on, he's still a teenage boy, and an infinitely regenerating spear that also EXPLODES is going to capture his interest.
"One that we---will fix. Together." Atreus owned up to his mistake, and instead of letting Atreus languish in guilt and condemnation from the others, Kratos put a silence to them, acknowledged that Atreus made an error but said, we will fix this. Took responsibility even though it wasn't his fault. Authentic, fatherhood, manhood or more accurately grace--whatever you want to call it, it is so powerful.
I like how even the weapons hate Odin and is reinforced by Odin disrespectfully dropping Ingrid on the dead without any care.
8:46
I love how Kratos firmly says "Atreus", as in he is not Loki, he is his boy.
Ngl I hated it when people called him Loki
To me he’s always Atreus no matter what
The story of the name was so heartwarming too
I mean thats the point i feel right?
Well in the actual myth of atreus in Norse mythology loki is his true name
@OnlyRetroGames I think so. It's like we as players are like Kratos trying to keep him as Atreus but he wants to go out as Loki.
The performances in this were amazing. Richard schiff owned his role.
This video and the scenes in it help contrast Kratos and Odin perfectly.
Odin, whilst aware of Garm's rampage, makes it clear he's not going to intervene with his line "We're safe in Asgard", showing his utter apathy towards the suffering of others and how he passive-aggressively guilt trips Atreus, "But freeing Garm, that was a big one (mistake)". He's also likely more upset over the lack of a new mask part.
Kratos, upon learning what Atreus did, rather than chew him out, immediately tells his son that they will fix it. Not just to help Atreus mend his mistake, although that is easily a big part of it considering his own past, but because he's witnessed first hand what Garm's freedom has wrought. He knows they have to stop any more damage from being done.
Odin reminds me of Palpatine in some ways. Anyone else feel that.
i didn’t think of that until now but yes! i see it too.
@@nbkx1963 he’s so manipulative. It fits
Yup. Both villains played both sides like a fiddle to the end and met their end before a father and son.
I can see how they're comparable.
I can see it. The manipulation game is s tyr
It's nice to see them together again before Ragnarok happen.
I really liked the detail when kratos asked "what do i calk you?" And responded with "atreus" this shows how strong their bond is how close they are. Even though atreus went against his dads wish he still cares about him. It shows that kratos is not only a warrior but also a father who loves his Son
Edit: when atreus hugs him and kratos hugs him back then lets go for a moment and hugs him again, and the soundtrack helps us see just how close they are how much Kratos cares for his son. He is the father every son should have
It’s so incredible to see how far these guys have come and just how much Atreus has grown to love Kratos. Parents for the most part have an innate love for their kids but kids don’t always have an innate love for their parents. In the first game Atreus wished that Kratos had died instead of Faye and resented Kratos for being the one that lived. Now it looks like Kratos has become Atreus’s safe place for the most part. And it’s so interesting to see Atreus trying to be this big, strong god and “champion of the giants” Loki to crying in his father’s arms. I’m not saying that as a pass on Atreus either, he knows he messed up and he knows his father will do anything to help him fix his mistakes and he’s just been through crap with Thrud being mad at him, Heimdall bullying him, Thor threatening him and Odin being mad at him but I’m really subtle, mind messing ways. And for Kratos, we saw that his biggest fear is losing Atreus and he’s said time and time again that he would do anything, including going to full scale war, to keep Atreus safe. He’s also scared of backpedaling to where they were in GOW 2018 with Atreus resenting him and turning to anyone else even Odin. I think him asking Atreus what he should call him is his way of trying to get Atreus to like and trust him again by going with Atreus’s ideas and showing Atreus accepts him. I think Atreus realizes his father is one of very few people who will always be with him on whatever he decides and will always accept him for who he is. Obviously Kratos is also very scared to lose another child especially as horrifically as he did Calliope. To me this scene perfectly captures a scared little kid running to their father looking for one of the most basic and early forms of comfort.
2:50 You can pet the doggos. Game of the Year right here.
But Elden ring won,I have nothing against souls games but ragnarok not winning was a crime imo
This game was truly an emotional roller coaster had me in tears
At 9:11 Kratos takes Mimir and goes to give him to _Tyr_ only to literally go ''Nope'' and actually give him to Freya lmao, love it
this had me sobbing, tears were literally falling down my face when this happened.
edit: all I did was cry at a game, damn.
Right. I find it impossible to shed a tear at any show or video game. But holy hell Atreus running to his papa was a punch in the gut
Sobbing? I don't mean to sound "edgy" or whatever the kids say today, and I don't know your age, but the infantilization of adults in this country is becoming epidemic
@@richspeck8932
woah takes your meds grandpa
Once again I should have known to reply to an adult human being with a cartoon character as their profile picture. You people are all exactly the same. Jesus it's pathetic.
@@richspeck8932 what
7:37 Kratos's expression, he tried so hard to hold back his tears
You can tell Kratos is furious at Atreus, Then Atreus hugs him without a word. Kratos might still be mad, but now’s not the time to express it
As a father.......this scene had me tearing up.......at the end of the day you'd do anything for your son no matter what they do.......brings into perspective Freya in the 1st game
Mimir: YOU FREED GARM!?
'Tyr': **surprised Pikachu face*
Mimir always has the best reaction ever
Atreus' face at 7:32 is just...I can't even find the words.
Kratos had the most character development in this game
God he’s such a good dad, he put aside his anger as soon as Atreus wanted that hug
It's so heartbreaking to hear Kratos ask Atreus "What do i call you?" as in "Are you my son or are you Loki"
"This is a fuck-up of not insignificant proportions!"
not only was the scene emotional but there's something about the music from 7:38 to 8:08 that really brings me to tears❤️
To be fair to Atreus, Odin didn't warn him nor Thrud about Garm AT ALL. I assume it was part of his plan to delay Ragnarok. as someone else in the comment section said, it allowed Odin to ruin Atreus's trust in his friends by having the whole group, himself as Tyr included, scold him, making Odin appear as the greater source of empathy. And don't you find it strange he said that it wouldn't affect Asgard at all? He likely intended for Atreus to free Garm to delay the progress of Kratos and the others via Helheim tears everywhere in the other 8 realms. And to make it all work, he went back to his Tyr disguise and refused to help them fight off the Hel walkers, likely hoping they would lose.
Little did he know Kratos and Atreus would reconnect.
3:35 Sindri almost forgot he was pissed at Atreus 😂😂
Bro it gots me every time 😂😂😂
"lasa, fresa!"
"Wow that's explode?!"
"Atreus focus!"
Literally me everytime I tried to study
7:21 "What do I call you?"
I love the subtle messages Kratos is communicating in this one sentence. It's an acknowledgment of Atreus' will, a yearning for him to return, the opposite of shunning him. It's a perfect response for an ashamed Atreus who wants to return.
5:04 reinforment have arrive
I love how he says "off your back," calling back to his training with Deimos: "A spartan never lets his back hit the ground".
You see here that even though Atreus messed up and he admits to it kratos still stands by his son and tells everyone to back off and leave him alone...it's a mistake that we'll fix...kratos may be a a tough god of war but he still has that soft side when it comes to his family and friends
The way freya sigh bro lol she be annoyed
A Spartan never lets his back hit the ground
7:57. Introverts when an extrovert hugs them. Lol. 😂
"Oh, and...say 'hi' to Mimir for me!" Odin is such a mean girl. Call him Odina George
This is cool, kratos knows better than anyone about fuccking up
The massacre of millions and a country destroyed. ;3 atreaus was rather tame.
My question was - did those monsters ever got to civilization and reck havoc or was it all an isolated incident.
✨A Spartan very let his back hit the ground, right brother 🗿🪖✨
8:27 I just love how mimr reaction was after hearing garm is free.
“Get off your back!” The way a father would somehow always swoop in at last second to help you out of a bind even after knowing that you had fucked everything up.
I lost my father a couple years back and knowing that there’s no one to pull me out of the fire this time around will forever haunt me.
VGS is posting well edited GOW vids.
All is right with the world.
Atreus: WOW! They Explode!?
Freya: ATREUS FOCUS!!!
Atreus: Sorry!
lol XD
Remember The mask? Stanley Ipkiss would wear the mask and become a green faced animated character and utilizes slapstick humor making a mess out of his opposition? That mask was created by Loki.
Really wanted Atreus to wear it lol, and go berserk lol
SMOKIN'!
@@blackroberts6290 SOMEBODY STOP MEHH
P-A-R-T-WHYYY? Because I GOTTA!
Or try to like Jim Carrey does in Ben Stein's office
A child will make a mistake, its a fathers job to set it straight and let him learn from his doing along the way.
I like the idea that 2 of the main reasons for Kratos defending his son in this instance:
The first is obvious, Atreus took responsibility as a man instead of making excuses.
The second was also a standard that Kratos set near the beginning with Lyngbakr. Atreus saw a chained up wolf that looked miserable, much like Lyngbakr, and was unaware of its nature. Kratos made great mention that he hates this sort of treatment, being a former slave himself.
9:04
I like how he first hands mimir to tyr then probably think “no fuck you man” and goes to Freya instead
How did I miss his interaction with the dogs?!?
6:33 I like how mimir calls tyr/Odin useless this hits differently after knowing this but I would’ve loved to see the real tyr actually fighting something I bet tyr only fights when he needs to fight
Huh, if only a certain SOMEBODY (Heimdall) had been there to maybe let Atreus know that the souless wolf of Helheim was actually imprisoned for a good reason. Ya know, like Odin had ORDERED him to do.
7:50 is that the same kratos from god of war 3 🥺🥺🥺who used to cut pieces of god of olympus
5:05 "A Spartan never lets his back hit the ground,"
"Off your back" nice homage
Is it just me who thinks atreus knew NOTHING about garm at all and Odin KNEW that would happen?