I believe the squeal comes from the wheel flanges rubbing against the side of the rail as they go around corners. If the rails are wet, they might not squeal as the friction will be reduced. Also with the new ties, the spikes are holding the rail really well now, so there is less likely any movement in the rail as the cars put lateral load on the rail causing them too move and the flanges to rub. The low crunching noises comes from the ties compressing and rubbing against what little ballast that might be there as they settle in.
I was surprised that the squeal was gone thinking it had more to do with the radius of the curve. Maybe not. Glad to see green Freddy again. Thanks for sharing, 👍
I absolutely love the no turn on red signals and the WRRS mini bells the broken crossing has a WRRS mini bell really hard to find them in service anymore
Thanks for the update but sadly another tense moment with the trackage. Who knows how much the switch to Alter may be beyond a simple fix but rather a replacement. It shouldn't surprise one if the next time they go there they will have to use idler cars. Since the derailment on the Curve some factors have come into play such as the actual guage of the rail has been somewhat tightened along with new spikes to hold them in place. So rather than a high-pitched squeal today it almost sounds like driving a flat tire on a rim down the street. As long as the track safely stays in place we can record it as a success. Note the entire group of gondolas is CN family and Shortline cars again while the batch that went to Alter today is mostly from leasing firms. Even this is falling out of any regular cycle. Also a mere five cars for loading @ LP so hopefully they don't run out
I'm not so sure the squeal is gone; it's usually caused by the solid axels with the inside wheel turning faster than the outside wheel when rounding a significant bend in the rails. It was very quiet today, but the rails are damp and that may have allowed the wheels to slip while going through the S curve. On the next sunny day with a northbound train, we can check it out! Like you said, I hope it's gone too.
That might be an excuse for one crossing. Engineers can be light on the blowing. But not blowing is a safety issue for many, especially when there are no 4-quadrant gates.
Hey Jason.... Does that Railroad (ELS) ever do any proactive maintenance on their rails ? I see a lot of reactive efforts (after derailments) but never see any ballast tamping, etc. Just wondering !!!
Probably any VHF FM analog capable scanner would work. There could be some digital radio activity but would the extra expense be justified. Digital radio traffic could also be encrypted. FW yard(s) are mainly, what, BNSF with some UP or CSX activity? Consult RadioReference for you local rail frequencies.
@@glennoconnor2980 Thank you.. This is not my livecam but this is a cam on the north end of the yard that I live by few miles up the track at the interchange.. Hope this gives you some good train catching with out driving :D ruclips.net/video/dg0UHfYVros/видео.html
I've asked this question on other videos of a similar nature, but can anybody tell me of the history of this line. Did the railroad come first and the town gradually developed around it or was the area developed first and the line was built through it? I have a fascination for railroad archeology and how the landscape is altered through the years because of the railroad. I'm also surprised that roadside barriers haven't been installed.
Usually the railroad comes first and the town grows up around it. Otherwise lots of buildings would have to be removed and infrastructure rerouted to get a clean run through town like that.
This RR has a website; check it out. It also has a fair amount of track that serves no customers. It did have some business of railcar storage, but I don't know if that has continued.
They don't have issues because of the shape of the wheel. It isn't just a flat profile it is more cone shaped which allows the wheel to effectively move within the spacing of the rail so going around corners isn't so big a deal. The squeal you hear is usually the wheel flanges rubbing against the side of the rail.
The flashers themselves haven't changed in decades, except for the use of LED instead of incandescent lighting. There have been substantial improvements to signal control. The ELS might not move to LED signals because of unreliability in cold weather. LED or incandescent--drivers won't pay attention to either!
@ i never worked or supervised any line that had those amber flashers or the, ‘No Turn On Red,’ in my entire life. Yeah, the LED were a huge improvement, and those came at the end of my tenure. I wasn’t a signal man, so you probably know far more than I, but I did asked to be briefed, when upgrades were happening. I was referring to the changes from the old battery, bond wire systems, to the electronic diode systems, that from my perspective, seemed to be a huge improvement. I remember those batteries dying, which automatically activated the lights and gates, or bond wires breaking, especially in bad weather, which also did the same thing,as a safety precaution. Even crossings, that just had bells, used those old set ups. They too, had to be flagged,when they malfunctioned. Even in the worst weather conditions, it seemed like our crews could get even them back up the same day, or one or two, not weeks.
Driver's in iron mountain have no guilty congons about breaking law. Bet they ignore the bathroom warning thier body gives letting them know time to head to toilet.
the level crossing lights are also defect...This railroad would be shut down in Germany ! The SD 40-2 has slight wheelslip !The rails are wet, therefore no sounds !!
Another great looking video.
Been a while since seeing #503! I so enjoy your takes there! I’m in Maine!
I believe the squeal comes from the wheel flanges rubbing against the side of the rail as they go around corners. If the rails are wet, they might not squeal as the friction will be reduced. Also with the new ties, the spikes are holding the rail really well now, so there is less likely any movement in the rail as the cars put lateral load on the rail causing them too move and the flanges to rub. The low crunching noises comes from the ties compressing and rubbing against what little ballast that might be there as they settle in.
I was surprised that the squeal was gone thinking it had more to do with the radius of the curve. Maybe not. Glad to see green Freddy again. Thanks for sharing, 👍
I absolutely love the no turn on red signals and the WRRS mini bells the broken crossing has a WRRS mini bell really hard to find them in service anymore
Good morning great video thanks Jason
Thanks for the update but sadly another tense moment with the trackage. Who knows how much the switch to Alter may be beyond a simple fix but rather a replacement. It shouldn't surprise one if the next time they go there they will have to use idler cars. Since the derailment on the Curve some factors have come into play such as the actual guage of the rail has been somewhat tightened along with new spikes to hold them in place. So rather than a high-pitched squeal today it almost sounds like driving a flat tire on a rim down the street. As long as the track safely stays in place we can record it as a success. Note the entire group of gondolas is CN family and Shortline cars again while the batch that went to Alter today is mostly from leasing firms. Even this is falling out of any regular cycle. Also a mere five cars for loading @ LP so hopefully they don't run out
Watching from Ohio. Might have to make a trip up there.
Aww the squeal is gone. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Jason and All. 🎅🦌🎄
That was a big surprise: absolute silence!😲They clearly did an excellent job on repairing that curve!🙂
good train video
I'm not so sure the squeal is gone; it's usually caused by the solid axels with the inside wheel turning faster than the outside wheel when rounding a significant bend in the rails. It was very quiet today, but the rails are damp and that may have allowed the wheels to slip while going through the S curve. On the next sunny day with a northbound train, we can check it out! Like you said, I hope it's gone too.
It's spelled, "axles."
@erie910 Appreciate the correction. Any other thoughts on the squealing wheels?
No body is happier to have that squeal gone than the folks that live right there behind those tracks!
I wonder what this place will look like in a couple of days when that clipper goes through.
They're maintenance department motto is don't fix it till it's broke
So, reason for derailment was track maintenance? (lack of there of)
Rotten ties which caused them to roll the outside rail.
My grand mother lived on Ludington street and we would walk across the tracks near the depot, i think to get to the dime store.
We have no train horn here because of apartment building next to the rail road crossing
That might be an excuse for one crossing. Engineers can be light on the blowing. But not blowing is a safety issue for many, especially when there are no 4-quadrant gates.
I would have yelled HI at you but you were on the OTHER side... :)
Hey Jason....
Does that Railroad (ELS) ever do any proactive maintenance on their rails ? I see a lot of reactive efforts (after derailments) but never see any ballast tamping, etc. Just wondering !!!
Proactive Rail Maintenance? Ha Ha Ha LOLOLOLOLOLOL. That’s a good one!!!
A hot dry day I'm sure that squeal will be back.
looking at the state of that track at the beggining i think they will be having more problems..
What is a good CB or Scanner to use to listen to the rail road.. I live next to the rail yard in Fort Worth Tx..
Probably any VHF FM analog capable scanner would work. There could be some digital radio activity but would the extra expense be justified. Digital radio traffic could also be encrypted. FW yard(s) are mainly, what, BNSF with some UP or CSX activity? Consult RadioReference for you local rail frequencies.
@@glennoconnor2980 Thank you.. This is not my livecam but this is a cam on the north end of the yard that I live by few miles up the track at the interchange.. Hope this gives you some good train catching with out driving :D ruclips.net/video/dg0UHfYVros/видео.html
Bearcat 125at, it’s easy to program easy to use and there are antennas out there from 3rd party sources which allow for better range.
I've asked this question on other videos of a similar nature, but can anybody tell me of the history of this line. Did the railroad come first and the town gradually developed around it or was the area developed first and the line was built through it? I have a fascination for railroad archeology and how the landscape is altered through the years because of the railroad. I'm also surprised that roadside barriers haven't been installed.
Usually the railroad comes first and the town grows up around it. Otherwise lots of buildings would have to be removed and infrastructure rerouted to get a clean run through town like that.
Here is a little history of the ELS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escanaba_and_Lake_Superior_Railroad
This RR has a website; check it out. It also has a fair amount of track that serves no customers. It did have some business of railcar storage, but I don't know if that has continued.
What is the speed of trains in Iron mountain
Another reason why quiet zones shouldn’t exist if you ask me
Exactly! It is just a matter of time before he captures a train/vehicle collision.
Just wondering Jason why they havent fixed the dirt dug up by the derailed cars when they pulled them across the road??
Yes--- and some fresh ballast would not hurt.
Because it’s winter and it’s likely frozen. Come spring time they will likely do a small tie job on that curve and put down a small amount of ballast.
16 rail cars
I always wondered why trains don't have more trouble in turns because cars have solid axles with no differential action like automobiles do...
They don't have issues because of the shape of the wheel. It isn't just a flat profile it is more cone shaped which allows the wheel to effectively move within the spacing of the rail so going around corners isn't so big a deal. The squeal you hear is usually the wheel flanges rubbing against the side of the rail.
Maybe the rails still have some type of coating on them from being fixed and once that wears off the squeal will be back.
Good grief, it doesn’t take that long to repair even those ancient flashers.
The flashers themselves haven't changed in decades, except for the use of LED instead of incandescent lighting. There have been substantial improvements to signal control. The ELS might not move to LED signals because of unreliability in cold weather. LED or incandescent--drivers won't pay attention to either!
@ i never worked or supervised any line that had those amber flashers or the, ‘No Turn On Red,’ in my entire life. Yeah, the LED were a huge improvement, and those came at the end of my tenure. I wasn’t a signal man, so you probably know far more than I, but I did asked to be briefed, when upgrades were happening. I was referring to the changes from the old battery, bond wire systems, to the electronic diode systems, that from my perspective, seemed to be a huge improvement. I remember those batteries dying, which automatically activated the lights and gates, or bond wires breaking, especially in bad weather, which also did the same thing,as a safety precaution. Even crossings, that just had bells, used those old set ups. They too, had to be flagged,when they malfunctioned. Even in the worst weather conditions, it seemed like our crews could get even them back up the same day, or one or two, not weeks.
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I had to grease our tracks here on.the farm
'prolly have to rebond the rails to get the signals to work...
Unless the wires from the rails to the signal box were torn out.
Wires were damaged
Trains going on curves usually squeal, I thought.
Squeaky Korner don't squeak no more...8
WD 40 must work.
Maybe they super elavated the outside rail more? That helps the wheels negociate the curves better.
I don't think those trains go fast enough for them to be concerned about super elevation.
Driver's in iron mountain have no guilty congons about breaking law. Bet they ignore the bathroom warning thier body gives letting them know time to head to toilet.
the level crossing lights are also defect...This railroad would be shut down in Germany ! The SD 40-2 has slight wheelslip !The rails are wet, therefore no sounds !!
It is not in Germany and we don't really care.