This conversation typically shows Diamonds tendency to dominate behaviorally while he lacks the ability to come up with a scientific methodological reflexion on the questions that were posed.
I don't believe he grasped the root of Dr. Kuhn's line of questioning, on several points. As usual, human language is a limiting factor in expressing, as well as querying, concepts outside of the current paradigm.
Refreshing that we have this quality of information on the internet, thank you Robert, and also thank you for having one of my intellectual hero, Jared Diamond. This man changed my perspective of the world by enlarging my understanding of both prehistory and history. Kudos to you both
Javadi said the conclusions he draws from recent studies is that "when people use tools such as GPS, they tend to engage less with navigation. Therefore, brain area responsible for navigation is less used, and consequently their brain areas involved in navigation tend to shrink.
Jared is a pleasure to listen to and in my opinion almost certainly correct about the general connection of language and our superiority over the neanderthal.. A SMALL nuance though, we didn't entirely wipe them out of existence as suggested, interbreeding occurred between Homo sapiens and neanderthal, with a net result that roughly two percent of OUR genetics (Averaged) IS neanderthal. Certain Survival advantages are theorized to exist as a result, and a couple disadvantages as well .Thanks.
DOMESTICATE, v.t. 1. To make domestic; to retire from the public; to accustom to remain much at home; as, to domesticate ones self. 2. To make familiar, as if at home. 3. To accustom to live near the habitations of man; to tame; as, to domesticate wild animals.
I think too much is made of vervet monkey ‘language’, and it is largely anthropomorphising on the part of ethologists of a certain hermeneutic. They are certainly communicating, but though a bottom-up process that lacks intention, or even conscious awareness, as with other ‘alarm calls’ in the animal kingdom. No doubt that Jared Diamond is of a similar view, but feel this gets lost on many people when the example is brought up during discussions like these, and in general science writing.
Nice to see you at last Jared. Loved Guns, Germs and Steel , Why is Sex Fun, and Collapse. Geographical determinism is a refreshing perspective rather than just history.
Brain size is individual thing but each and every species is a community being. Human kind is a special being with ability to accumulate and transfer information. Accumulations and sharing of individual speciality knowledge that leads to human communal development and civilization.
Social Beings Al-An'am 6:38 وَمَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَٰٓئِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّآ أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُمۚ مَّا فَرَّطْنَا فِى ٱلْكِتَٰبِ مِن شَىْءٍۚ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ يُحْشَرُونَ And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
Artificial intelligence seems to have the capacity to surpass our brain, at least in some narrow task activities at the moment... how do we explain the fact that brain is trying to build a better version of its biological type which will definitely be at a much advanced and superior level?
@@GP-qb9hi what part of the world are you referring to, there's many borders around us... there's many factors that might separate us but there's many more that we might share in common, I really don't know what you mean...
Just look at our history- Humans will simply do whatever their abilities allow them to do. Show me one instance where we have not made and used something we were able to dream up? It is what the human mind does. We never (effectively) ask- “Should we actually make this new thing?”
How can you say that the human brain is “The highest and most complicated organization of matter in the universe” ? You could say of this world. You could even possibly say “of what we have seen in our very limited knowledge of the universe” (realizing that we have not had any real opportunity to scan the universe for examples of complex organic material.) -but of the universe?
@@Bassotronics And even if you take the optimistic viewpoint of alien possibility away, the fact is simply the issue that we simply do not know what other type of complex organic matter is or is not present in the universe. Therefore any statements comparing our brains to the quality of an utterly unknown is fundamentally illogical.
@@weshard1 It is obvious that that is what makes sense. What is not obvious is the assumption that that is what was intended. In other words- to assume that that is what he intended by his statement based solely what you think makes sense is an assumption of someone else’s intent. You might be right, but you could also be wrong, when you are assuming what someone else meant behind an incomplete statement.
Couldn't you consider the Brain as a biological relativistic computer, in other terms a biological quantum computer, as they can be programmed but with unpredictable results
Forbidden fruit which is not apples but fruit of the grass stem. The problems caused by the physical material and also the effect on neurotransmitter(s) became a learning experience and the explosion of technology.
God is great. So you want to talk about worms? The Bible talks about worms: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. Mark 9:44, 46, 48-50 KJV
Once a brain remembered words it's can't not or be not erase cause it a planner like golden plates ,remaster making symbolic blue print symbols to the fancel a person can speak Any English language if You practiced it everyday the strength and the knowledge and the faith more then others one person can't not be God but the one person can become something like a God or new God it's depend on how ever the ego come from cause in life a person have two brains 🧠 if one get damaged he can use the other brain
raw? brute? primitive? grunt? This is dated bigotry in both academic and casual conversation. A few insights here, but so much dated perception, certainly of linguistic abilities. And no one ever brought up the different configurations of brains, e.g., birds who arrange their connections via a "garlic clove" configuration - or the genius of bonobos, or the capabilities of chimps that outpace humans' exponentially. This conversation missed many iimportant studies, experiences, findings - both clinical and in the "wild" = Nature. You seemed to have skirted - purposely? - major issues.
I truly value the quality of these videos. They are very intelligent. However- I do feel compelled to point out lapses in logic when they become apparent, exactly because of the high degree of quality otherwise found in them. It might be seen as my being ‘nit picky’, but I see such statements as indications of possible unexamined bias.
The brain is a city, well functioning or not. We have to understand the complexity of a city to get close to the complexity of a brain. Consciousness is like a radio station that reaches out to the residents with present informations but also gathered informations. What people can't imagine is the importance of an electrician fixing the blackout on a building. This individuals in the brain are just a grain with such importance to the functions of particular regions. And if we know how a city works then you are close to understand a brain.
@@Dion_Mustard there is no mystery on consciousness. It's a property of the brain, just because they haven't found its exact position and appearance, its obvious that its there. It might be a cuticle, membrane, like we have in the ear or sound making muscles for speech. When we are born we are unconscious, it develops like teeths, hair, nails, until it becomes independent. Consciousness doesn't make us special, we are still weak and sensitive but through experiences we are aware of survival, danger, and the comfort of life.
@@owencampbell4947 i disagree completely. consciousness is the most unique concept of our existence, and there is absolutely no evidence brain produces consciousness, or indeed that we are "born unconscious". your arguments are the typical materialist argument which is old school and flawed, especially since the dawn of quantum physics.
@@Dion_Mustard how can consciousness be a concept if consciousness is what makes us aware of all what one can imagine. Being born in this world unconscious, developing our biological transformation naturally, sensoring every information from the moment of our birth, but not yet consciously, until we first experience, which is the ignition for developing consciousness. We are only able, to be conscious of what we have on informations but not beyond. From then on, it's an individual evolving process. The quantum theory is causing a lot of confusion, our conscious minds need more information to solve the problem.
Evolution provided every animal with a brain that is appropriate for the body in which it lives and for the environment in which it must survive. I would extend that to say evolution has provided every animal with a level of consciousness that is appropriate for its body and its environment. Birds comprehend flying; dogs don't even think about it.
Israel announced 12.26.2021 the doubling of settlers on the Golan Heights. It was Sunday. The Jewish sabbath had ended. I said, shabbat shalom. I am a mench..
This conversation typically shows Diamonds tendency to dominate behaviorally while he lacks the ability to come up with a scientific methodological reflexion on the questions that were posed.
I don't believe he grasped the root of Dr. Kuhn's line of questioning, on several points. As usual, human language is a limiting factor in expressing, as well as querying, concepts outside of the current paradigm.
Refreshing that we have this quality of information on the internet, thank you Robert, and also thank you for having one of my intellectual hero, Jared Diamond. This man changed my perspective of the world by enlarging my understanding of both prehistory and history. Kudos to you both
Javadi said the conclusions he draws from recent studies is that "when people use tools such as GPS, they tend to engage less with navigation. Therefore, brain area responsible for navigation is less used, and consequently their brain areas involved in navigation tend to shrink.
Jared is a pleasure to listen to and in my opinion almost certainly correct about the general connection of language and our superiority over the neanderthal.. A SMALL nuance though, we didn't entirely wipe them out of existence as suggested, interbreeding occurred between Homo sapiens and neanderthal, with a net result that roughly two percent of OUR genetics (Averaged) IS neanderthal. Certain Survival advantages are theorized to exist as a result, and a couple disadvantages as well .Thanks.
Excellent presentation on a fascinating topic!
DOMESTICATE, v.t.
1. To make domestic; to retire from the public; to accustom to remain much at home; as, to domesticate ones self.
2. To make familiar, as if at home.
3. To accustom to live near the habitations of man; to tame; as, to domesticate wild animals.
I think too much is made of vervet monkey ‘language’, and it is largely anthropomorphising on the part of ethologists of a certain hermeneutic.
They are certainly communicating, but though a bottom-up process that lacks intention, or even conscious awareness, as with other ‘alarm calls’ in the animal kingdom.
No doubt that Jared Diamond is of a similar view, but feel this gets lost on many people when the example is brought up during discussions like these, and in general science writing.
Nice to see you at last Jared. Loved Guns, Germs and Steel , Why is Sex Fun, and Collapse. Geographical determinism is a refreshing perspective rather than just history.
See if you stay domesticated and not get out and experience things like prayer and fasting. Then what do you learn, how do you grow?
Brain size is individual thing but each and every species is a community being. Human kind is a special being with ability to accumulate and transfer information. Accumulations and sharing of individual speciality knowledge that leads to human communal development and civilization.
Social Beings
Al-An'am 6:38
وَمَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَٰٓئِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّآ أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُمۚ مَّا فَرَّطْنَا فِى ٱلْكِتَٰبِ مِن شَىْءٍۚ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ يُحْشَرُونَ
And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
Like the word of God said brain's act as in the way that they're trained up. Train up a child in the way that they should go.
Artificial intelligence seems to have the capacity to surpass our brain, at least in some narrow task activities at the moment... how do we explain the fact that brain is trying to build a better version of its biological type which will definitely be at a much advanced and superior level?
Sometime you should visit Earth, we will show you how we live down here.
@@GP-qb9hi what part of the world are you referring to, there's many borders around us... there's many factors that might separate us but there's many more that we might share in common, I really don't know what you mean...
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It’s the drugs man… the drugs!
People with not enough neurons to stay away from the drugs.
Just look at our history-
Humans will simply do whatever their abilities allow them to do. Show me one instance where we have not made and used something we were able to dream up?
It is what the human mind does.
We never (effectively) ask- “Should we actually make this new thing?”
@@dwpix the drive is enough to qualify the brain as purely mechanical construct without feedback capability...
Some experts are saying that Neanderthals could speak.
How can you say that the human brain is “The highest and most complicated organization of matter in the universe” ?
You could say of this world.
You could even possibly say “of what we have seen in our very limited knowledge of the universe” (realizing that we have not had any real opportunity to scan the universe for examples of complex organic material.)
-but of the universe?
Being how “infinity” huge the universe is, there are probably brains or structures way more complicated out there. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Bassotronics And even if you take the optimistic viewpoint of alien possibility away, the fact is simply the issue that we simply do not know what other type of complex organic matter is or is not present in the universe. Therefore any statements comparing our brains to the quality of an utterly unknown is fundamentally illogical.
@@dwpix
Well at least we are getting closer to truth.
That we know of, obviously.
@@weshard1 It is obvious that that is what makes sense. What is not obvious is the assumption that that is what was intended.
In other words- to assume that that is what he intended by his statement based solely what you think makes sense is an assumption of someone else’s intent. You might be right, but you could also be wrong, when you are assuming what someone else meant behind an incomplete statement.
ty ... we didnt catch that by ourselves ... -.-
Has God a brain??? What about satan,angels and invisible beings,souls and spirits,do they have brains???
Couldn't you consider the Brain as a biological relativistic computer, in other terms a biological quantum computer, as they can be programmed but with unpredictable results
Instead of bits, you use neurotransmitters
What's the origin of human rationality?? I wonder !!
Broca brains studied show human brains are evoluting. It explains how human being are able to live social community.
Forbidden fruit which is not apples but fruit of the grass stem. The problems caused by the physical material and also the effect on neurotransmitter(s) became a learning experience and the explosion of technology.
Evolution
God is great. So you want to talk about worms? The Bible talks about worms:
where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Mark 9:44, 46, 48-50 KJV
neuroscience will never explain consciousness because consciousness is more than brain.
NTS 80/u
These sorts of questions often seem best answered if you begin with the assumption that each life form was created, by design, for a purpose.
Once a brain remembered words it's can't not or be not erase cause it a planner like golden plates ,remaster making symbolic blue print symbols to the fancel a person can speak Any English language if You practiced it everyday the strength and the knowledge and the faith more then others one person can't not be God but the one person can become something like a God or new God it's depend on how ever the ego come from cause in life a person have two brains 🧠 if one get damaged he can use the other brain
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And thats EXACTLY why im doing "this" and you both aint, because all human brains are uniek, just like human fingerprints. 👽
raw? brute? primitive? grunt? This is dated bigotry in both academic and casual conversation. A few insights here, but so much dated perception, certainly of linguistic abilities. And no one ever brought up the different configurations of brains, e.g., birds who arrange their connections via a "garlic clove" configuration - or the genius of bonobos, or the capabilities of chimps that outpace humans' exponentially. This conversation missed many iimportant studies, experiences, findings - both clinical and in the "wild" = Nature. You seemed to have skirted - purposely? - major issues.
"genius of bonobos", lol, an expression of C"f"T, Post-Modern "bigotry" if I've ever heard one.
If Everyone on Earth stopped thinking at the same time (unconscious) I wonder if life would cease to exist??? It might crash the similation
The brain is just a receiver like a radio
Absolutely rambling.
I hope you volunteer...
I truly value the quality of these videos. They are very intelligent.
However- I do feel compelled to point out lapses in logic when they become apparent, exactly because of the high degree of quality otherwise found in them.
It might be seen as my being ‘nit picky’, but I see such statements as indications of possible unexamined bias.
The brain is a city, well functioning or not. We have to understand the complexity of a city to get close to the complexity of a brain.
Consciousness is like a radio station that reaches out to the residents with present informations but also gathered informations.
What people can't imagine is the importance of an electrician fixing the blackout on a building. This individuals in the brain are just a grain with such importance to the functions of particular regions.
And if we know how a city works then you are close to understand a brain.
science will never explain consciousness. mark my words.
@@Dion_Mustard there is no mystery on consciousness. It's a property of the brain, just because they haven't found its exact position and appearance, its obvious that its there. It might be a cuticle, membrane, like we have in the ear or sound making muscles for speech.
When we are born we are unconscious, it develops like teeths, hair, nails, until it becomes independent.
Consciousness doesn't make us special, we are still weak and sensitive but through experiences we are aware of survival, danger, and the comfort of life.
@@owencampbell4947 i disagree completely. consciousness is the most unique concept of our existence, and there is absolutely no evidence brain produces consciousness, or indeed that we are "born unconscious". your arguments are the typical materialist argument which is old school and flawed, especially since the dawn of quantum physics.
@@owencampbell4947 it is a property of the brain but absolutely no proof that the brain produces consciousness. none what so ever.
@@Dion_Mustard how can consciousness be a concept if consciousness is what makes us aware of all what one can imagine.
Being born in this world unconscious, developing our biological transformation naturally, sensoring every information from the moment of our birth, but not yet consciously, until we first experience, which is the ignition for developing consciousness.
We are only able, to be conscious of what we have on informations but not beyond.
From then on, it's an individual evolving process.
The quantum theory is causing a lot of confusion, our conscious minds need more information to solve the problem.
Evolution provided every animal with a brain that is appropriate for the body in which it lives and for the environment in which it must survive. I would extend that to say evolution has provided every animal with a level of consciousness that is appropriate for its body and its environment. Birds comprehend flying; dogs don't even think about it.
Lol
External stimulation blah blah blah lmfao
Israel announced 12.26.2021 the doubling of settlers on the Golan Heights. It was Sunday. The Jewish sabbath had ended. I said, shabbat shalom. I am a mench..
Brains are electrical devices. That's all.
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Please send this scientist back to school. Time to interview some young folk with fresh new thinking.