What about an Enduro Hardtail? 😊 Ragley Big Wig and others 😎 just came back from a club ride with 8 hours and 70km. So definitely also good for all day riding 😍
This entire channel is one big advertisement aimed towards people who just start out. People who are looking for these types of vids haven't seen the other ones and/or want the most recent ones. You're not the target audience for these if you're not in those shoes
The full sus is so much more comfy, but lots of people forget that a hardtail can ride 90% of everything a FS can. I’ve been riding a $500 hardtail in the Rockies for 2 years now and yeah, even though it’s taken some beatings, I’ve still ridden everything I’ve come across. It does rattle your bones though.
You guys confused the slides for uphill and downhill. My bank account has informed me that Hardtail is the choice for me. I like the speed, lightness, and descending stability. It all depends though, on very rough terrain the enduro is better. Obviously in a perfect world you have one for each need but in the real world we make the most of what we have.
@@theblishknovk I love mine too. Currently I have 2.8 burly tires on it but I'm thinking about getting an extra set of light xc wheels for gravel and long distance type of riding
I bought last year after 20 years on HT first full. Ill never go back. IT so much better in every way. Even clibming is better, because I dont have to worry about unloading rear wheel in technical climb.
Mid-travel trail, Banshee Prime, with 135 is my next bike. Lobe my steel SS hard tail but it is beating the heck out of me on the rooty downhills where I live.
Hardtail works for me for now, theres some trails that are too steep/fast/rough that I've done that I probably wont do again because of how unstable it becomes unless I drag the brakes the whole way down. But, It allows me to afford my BMX, DirtJumper, lots of guitars, Car insurance and a Car all on a Grocery Store Clerk's wage. Remember to return your Shopping Buggies/Trollies back in the corral's as it allows us to keep stock the shelves better instead of wandering the parkinglot recording buggies from parking stalls, curbs, ditches, blocking the exit door of the store, etc. It really does take away from the actual job when people just leave them anywhere, and the one I work at doesnt have the coin operated locks so customers tend to create an obstacle course just outside the exit and interdock the large and small buggies which dont actually fit together. Soooo much oversharing, LOL Cheers from BC, Canada.
All my local grocery stores have a "buggy employee" someone who gets paid to just retrieve buggies 😁 But we still "suppose" to return in buggy return sections.
@@mikeburgh3956 I've only heard of that being at much larger stores and even then they usually have the coin operated lock which allows buggies to be linked together for much easier transport as well. As it is, I can only steer around 6 at a time, arms are only so long. It wouldnt be a problem if that was the dedicated job, but really its cheaper for the store to just install the coin locks, as buggies are pretty expensive and we have a huge homeless population in the city I'm in BC, Canada, we lose alot of buggies but our store still hasnt gone the locking route, most of the surrounding stores have though. Cheers for the comments about buggies haha.
@@episodesglow I do too even if theres no coin thingy although our walmart recently got coin locks and if you park and spot a stray buggy thats a dollar in your pocket, so thats fun.
I love my hardtail, a Giant Fathom 1 with 27.5" front and back. Can take it to the dirt jump park, pump track and flow trails. My full sus ebike only feels good on rough trails and sketchy downhills.
As someone who's more of an XC and gravel rider and who doesn't like steep and rocky terrain, hardtail or short travel FS for me. You'll never find me on an Enduro rig
People got oversold on enduro type bikes, that's why everyone and his mom are selling them on marketplace, I even suspect some newcomers abandoned their good intentions of 2020-22 not helped by an intimidating 38 lbs bike with tires who need 1000w just to keep rolling 😂
I got a cheap full sus, my hardtail is deffo a better spec but I love them both , I send the full sus harder but use the hardtail more as it’s cheaper and less hassle to maintain
I don’t do highly technical stuff. I just ride on rough off road conditions. I use a hard tail with 3x7 gears, a suspension fork, and nothing special. I don’t need the complicated full suspension of enduro. In fact someday I might get rid of the air fork to increase simplicity.
I've ridden loads of hardtails. My current one is a 2021 Orbea Laufey. The only thing I haven't changed or upgraded is the frame. My last major upgrade was going from 140mm RochShox Recon. To 150mm RockShox Domain forks. I also have a 2022 Ordea Rallon. With a few changes.
You’ll never stop me riding a hardtail… they’re beautiful looking machines that do everything you need to do, you can’t beat them. Stick some bigger tyres on it and some decent front forks and you can tackle anything. Gotta love a hardtail…
@@gmbn downgraded as it happens from a full suspension Evil but due to family commitments it was just not getting used to its full potential. So now it’s a Trek marlin 8 gen 3. Upgraded forks fox 32. SRAM brakes and full cockpit change. Have to be honest I love it. Geometry is just want I need cost minimal to maintain and money in my back burner selling the evil for my family
I'm so glad to see you riding my local trails! I ride that trail on a hardcore hardtail, a Kona Honzo ESD. The modern long, low and slack geometry is really helpful on those sections, and knowing that the full trail is only 30 kilometers long, riding it on a hardtail isn't such a crazy idea. Very nice to see you in the Basque Country! Hardcore Hardtails and clipless pedals FTW!
Interesting that while most start on a hardtail they also require more skill and thus build skills. People who've never ridden a hardtail for fully rigid MTB are really missing out on building skills. Kind of how those that only take the lifts to the top of a run
I guess he can’t climb for some reason with Laufey 😂 it is all marketing. U can do with Hardtail whatever you want. Listen yourself or look on better reviews. Cheers
Great and informative video. I have a Trek Marlin 7 hard tail and I love it. I don’t ride heavy terrain or do jumps or drops over a few feet, so the hard tail fits me perfectly.
i love my hardtail to death, and definitely ride things i shouldn’t on it. sadly i am probably gonna sell for a FS trail bike just to keep from beating my bike and body up as much, especially since i’ll be using my bike for work this year. i like steep chunky tech too much 😢 but a hardtail homie can’t lose 💯
Go for the middle, 150/140 trail bike. Just a flip of the switch and the rear is hard enough. #GMBN Lets see a Super Enduro vs DH for gravity riding. We know the Super is more versatile over all, but can it perform well enough in the down to replace a DH?
1 Horse for many courses clearly has to be the most balanced bike, which has to be either an all mountain or trail bike.. Lighter and more comfortable to climb with than an enduro... To me at least an enduro is really a downhill bike with the after thought of throwing in some climbing ability to make it sit somwhere in the middle between trail and downhill.. But if were genuinely talking a 50/50 split between climbing and decending then its all mountain/trial bike imo..
Lucky to have both, but might sell them for a 2nd hand emtb full sus having ridden my first one recently. Specialized levo something or other, it ticked all the boxes for me, apart from the price!
For me it would be a compromise. 120mm front and rear xc bike with lockout and dropper posts. Best of both worlds. Good enough for anything for an amateur like me.
I would always go for the hardtail, but not a 12kg one - no way 😧I would pick the Exceed CF SLX with under 10kg 😁 - and it is even cheaper than the enduro bike. Btw. from a price perspective, your bike comparisons get pretty weird.
An rear suspension must always be checked,pression etc, some psi more or less makes it an horrible ride....... So my suggestion: You can ride everything on a hardtail if speed is not the only thing. Hardtails for ever!!!!!❤
I mean, you have to perform these same procedures on the hardtail as well, so if you're going to be checking or setting up the fork anyway, it only takes a couple of extra seconds to check the rear shock. Additionally, when there is only front suspension, a change in pressure is much more noticeable and detrimental.
I have been riding $200 hardtrail for like 3 years and saving money to buy an enduro bust also cant afford it cause it cost about a million in here I wish you could help me ❤
No hardtail, just 170/160 enduro, 150/140 trail bike, 170/160 ebike, downhill bike and a dirt jumper please,but my Bank account is laughing its ass off saying your skint pal you'll have to stick with the one bike.😭😭😭
If you were to have one horse for many courses, which would you choose? The hardtail or the Enduro Bike?
Neither, I'd choose a trail bike.
Don’t know. Good question. 🤔 maybe a trail bike or my xc or downhill bike. Can’t you try them all?
best solutions? enduro hardtail.. 🥰
I have both (tyee, scout) and ride them equally often. If I had to choose... probably the hardtail, it's more versatile.
What about an Enduro Hardtail? 😊 Ragley Big Wig and others 😎 just came back from a club ride with 8 hours and 70km. So definitely also good for all day riding 😍
There is one correct answer, ride the bike that makes you smile!
I have 18 of em that make me grin ear to ear. Time to sort that suggestion and laugh.
First thing you need for Apocalypse?
Blake - "A trusty hard tail"!
"Crazy bugger" is the best technical review I've heard in a while
It’s the only review 😂😂😂
I’ve had 3 full squish bikes BUT the most fun I’ve ever had was on my hardtail.
The monthly HT vs FS video, exciting.
Rinse & repeat
You still watched it...... as did I.... we love MTB, we watch pretty pointless vids!
This war will rage on forever! lol
This entire channel is one big advertisement aimed towards people who just start out. People who are looking for these types of vids haven't seen the other ones and/or want the most recent ones. You're not the target audience for these if you're not in those shoes
The full sus is so much more comfy, but lots of people forget that a hardtail can ride 90% of everything a FS can. I’ve been riding a $500 hardtail in the Rockies for 2 years now and yeah, even though it’s taken some beatings, I’ve still ridden everything I’ve come across. It does rattle your bones though.
Love my trek hardtail kicks ass 💪🚴👍
You guys confused the slides for uphill and downhill. My bank account has informed me that Hardtail is the choice for me. I like the speed, lightness, and descending stability. It all depends though, on very rough terrain the enduro is better. Obviously in a perfect world you have one for each need but in the real world we make the most of what we have.
Imagine a dirt jumper, e bike xc down country, dh, trail, hardtail
My bank account told me to buy used so I shopped for a while and found Fuse 27.5 for $750 and previous gen Colossus N9 for $850.
@@YongPark-g3h i have a 2021 Fuse and absolutely love it. Feels like a giant bmx bike. Does great all around. Super fun for jumps and wheelies.
@@theblishknovk I love mine too. Currently I have 2.8 burly tires on it but I'm thinking about getting an extra set of light xc wheels for gravel and long distance type of riding
@@YongPark-g3h i got the 2.8 specialized tires on mine. The extra cush is nice since i broke my back 9 years ago.
Both is always the correct answer!
I love my Enduro Hardtail
love hardtail
"It all comes down to your riding style" except one option is nearly triple the other 💵💵💵💵💵💵💸💸💸💸
Absolutely love my ☢️ Scout ☢️ 275/140mm. It's a weapon & so much fun!!!
Hardtail die hard fan
What hardtail have you got?
@@gmbn i got a Marin San Quentin
@bastcj3896 how does it climb for you! I want to get one to replace my marin alpine 7 😅
Trek hardtail 26" 6000 series, only the frame and shifters are original and my new Commencal Clash 27.5 and I love each for what they do!
My enduro rig is a Stanton ti hardtail, love it.
Wish you guys did some Trek bikes. I love the channel. Thank you for such great content.
I bought last year after 20 years on HT first full. Ill never go back. IT so much better in every way. Even clibming is better, because I dont have to worry about unloading rear wheel in technical climb.
Mid-travel trail, Banshee Prime, with 135 is my next bike. Lobe my steel SS hard tail but it is beating the heck out of me on the rooty downhills where I live.
Hardtail works for me for now, theres some trails that are too steep/fast/rough that I've done that I probably wont do again because of how unstable it becomes unless I drag the brakes the whole way down. But, It allows me to afford my BMX, DirtJumper, lots of guitars, Car insurance and a Car all on a Grocery Store Clerk's wage. Remember to return your Shopping Buggies/Trollies back in the corral's as it allows us to keep stock the shelves better instead of wandering the parkinglot recording buggies from parking stalls, curbs, ditches, blocking the exit door of the store, etc. It really does take away from the actual job when people just leave them anywhere, and the one I work at doesnt have the coin operated locks so customers tend to create an obstacle course just outside the exit and interdock the large and small buggies which dont actually fit together. Soooo much oversharing, LOL Cheers from BC, Canada.
Always return my carts back to the cart area, as well as any strays that are nearby!
All my local grocery stores have a "buggy employee" someone who gets paid to just retrieve buggies 😁 But we still "suppose" to return in buggy return sections.
@@mikeburgh3956 I've only heard of that being at much larger stores and even then they usually have the coin operated lock which allows buggies to be linked together for much easier transport as well. As it is, I can only steer around 6 at a time, arms are only so long. It wouldnt be a problem if that was the dedicated job, but really its cheaper for the store to just install the coin locks, as buggies are pretty expensive and we have a huge homeless population in the city I'm in BC, Canada, we lose alot of buggies but our store still hasnt gone the locking route, most of the surrounding stores have though. Cheers for the comments about buggies haha.
@@episodesglow I do too even if theres no coin thingy although our walmart recently got coin locks and if you park and spot a stray buggy thats a dollar in your pocket, so thats fun.
Grocery store clerk so you'll only be on about 100,000 dollars a year then .
I love my hardtail, a Giant Fathom 1 with 27.5" front and back. Can take it to the dirt jump park, pump track and flow trails. My full sus ebike only feels good on rough trails and sketchy downhills.
Hardtails are all about the right tire combo, size and pressure. Once dialed in, all 😁
I'd be interested what you run I'm thinking of changing my 29er to a 2.6 front and 2.35 rear.
Not to forget , the reliability of a hardtail!!
For me its the hardtail sure its not as fast downhill as the enduro but for the type of riding I do (alpine/trail) it suits me to the ground
I received the Laufey H-ltd 2024, can't wait to see what it's like
I have both love both 22 kona prosses and 22 rocky mountain fusion 10
Definitely not as an only bike but at the moment my steel RSD Middle Child hard tail is my go too bike.
As someone who's more of an XC and gravel rider and who doesn't like steep and rocky terrain, hardtail or short travel FS for me. You'll never find me on an Enduro rig
People got oversold on enduro type bikes, that's why everyone and his mom are selling them on marketplace, I even suspect some newcomers abandoned their good intentions of 2020-22 not helped by an intimidating 38 lbs bike with tires who need 1000w just to keep rolling 😂
Swapping tires would make a big difference
That way you never skip leg day
hulk legs after 30k ride with full sys😃
My Clash rolls just fine and easy. Both wheels being 27.5, less mass, nimbler, more playful and won't stink at climbing like a mullet.
HT...all day. Benefit to cost ratio: 2-1 easily. Just the MRO costs alone.
I got a cheap full sus, my hardtail is deffo a better spec but I love them both , I send the full sus harder but use the hardtail more as it’s cheaper and less hassle to maintain
I like a trail bike myself. They're lighter than but can do pretty much anything an enduro bike can do. Cheaper too for the most part.
I don’t do highly technical stuff. I just ride on rough off road conditions. I use a hard tail with 3x7 gears, a suspension fork, and nothing special. I don’t need the complicated full suspension of enduro. In fact someday I might get rid of the air fork to increase simplicity.
I've ridden loads of hardtails. My current one is a 2021 Orbea Laufey. The only thing I haven't changed or upgraded is the frame. My last major upgrade was going from 140mm RochShox Recon. To 150mm RockShox Domain forks. I also have a 2022 Ordea Rallon. With a few changes.
I have hardtail bike trek superfly6 brilliant but also have giant reign 2 29 and also giant advanced pro 29 all brilliant bikes
You’ll never stop me riding a hardtail… they’re beautiful looking machines that do everything you need to do, you can’t beat them. Stick some bigger tyres on it and some decent front forks and you can tackle anything. Gotta love a hardtail…
Hardtail 🤘🏻 just got back from a ride with all round trails and it was amazing
What bike are you riding at the moment?
@@gmbn downgraded as it happens from a full suspension Evil but due to family commitments it was just not getting used to its full potential. So now it’s a Trek marlin 8 gen 3. Upgraded forks fox 32. SRAM brakes and full cockpit change. Have to be honest I love it. Geometry is just want I need cost minimal to maintain and money in my back burner selling the evil for my family
Very nice! Can't beat a hardtail 🤘
a good ht vs a good fs i find it more fun on the ht 😊
Where are you guys riding these?
Looks fantastic and would really like to go there! 🤘
My Middlechild is a one speed automatic transmission equipped HT. Of my 18 bikes, I reach for the singlespeed the most.
Hardtail 27,5 x 3.0 - super!
I'm so glad to see you riding my local trails! I ride that trail on a hardcore hardtail, a Kona Honzo ESD. The modern long, low and slack geometry is really helpful on those sections, and knowing that the full trail is only 30 kilometers long, riding it on a hardtail isn't such a crazy idea. Very nice to see you in the Basque Country! Hardcore Hardtails and clipless pedals FTW!
Interesting that while most start on a hardtail they also require more skill and thus build skills. People who've never ridden a hardtail for fully rigid MTB are really missing out on building skills. Kind of how those that only take the lifts to the top of a run
Ride both bikes equally to be fair,nice to be able to choose on any given day
Both, you should choose both.
Love my Laufey
I love my hardtail, it’s like the do everything bike
Simple, medium travel trail bike for the win
Same video done 1000 times. It's worth seen Blake shredding a hardtail, though.
Aggresive hardtail allday 😁🤙
You can buy 3 great hardtails + a lot of kit for the price of just one of those full sus bikes
One day im gonna get a Laufey if I get bored of my Occam, but I dont see that day coming any time soon yet :)
Blake you’ve had an affair with your Scout. 😢
I guess he can’t climb for some reason with Laufey 😂 it is all marketing. U can do with Hardtail whatever you want. Listen yourself or look on better reviews. Cheers
Did anyone notice that the climbing challenge was named downhill challenge and vice versa?
Only noticed downhill said climbing 😉
Great and informative video. I have a Trek Marlin 7 hard tail and I love it. I don’t ride heavy terrain or do jumps or drops over a few feet, so the hard tail fits me perfectly.
Thanks dude 👊
What about enduro vs cross country??
I'm on a 160mm Ragley BluePigRace ,after 4 years on a 150mm full susser,and I think I prefer the Hardtail,even though its a tad heavier...Ha !!
i love my hardtail to death, and definitely ride things i shouldn’t on it. sadly i am probably gonna sell for a FS trail bike just to keep from beating my bike and body up as much, especially since i’ll be using my bike for work this year. i like steep chunky tech too much 😢 but a hardtail homie can’t lose 💯
Great review,how much travel do you ride on the Laufey?
Thanks
Go for the middle, 150/140 trail bike. Just a flip of the switch and the rear is hard enough. #GMBN Lets see a Super Enduro vs DH for gravity riding. We know the Super is more versatile over all, but can it perform well enough in the down to replace a DH?
👌😎great video guys, for me ragley big al hardtail😆cause its what i could afford, but its so compliant, i can ride it allday👍
Blake should bring back the buttercup for these challenges.... Maybe even take it down fort William 👀
Or you know.. Maybe a HardTail Enduro frame?
Nice bike good luck 😊
The hardtail bike is the only one I have at the moment.
Hey Blake sweared on 8.23 !
1 Horse for many courses clearly has to be the most balanced bike, which has to be either an all mountain or trail bike.. Lighter and more comfortable to climb with than an enduro... To me at least an enduro is really a downhill bike with the after thought of throwing in some climbing ability to make it sit somwhere in the middle between trail and downhill..
But if were genuinely talking a 50/50 split between climbing and decending then its all mountain/trial bike imo..
i noticed the edit was a little off the downhill you did the hill climb and the hill climb you did the down hill lol
Would be interested to see an XC version of this.
2600 lb HT? How did it win the weight contest?
Lucky to have both, but might sell them for a 2nd hand emtb full sus having ridden my first one recently. Specialized levo something or other, it ticked all the boxes for me, apart from the price!
We've made a video over on EMBN to help you save some money when buying an eBike 👉 ruclips.net/video/OxIMCG-TH_A/видео.html
I love my carbon hardtail, climbs easier on steep firetrails that I do.
Where is the Scout? I don’t like Orbea
For me it would be a compromise. 120mm front and rear xc bike with lockout and dropper posts. Best of both worlds. Good enough for anything for an amateur like me.
@10:53 Uh oh, it looks like a little chip by the pivot.
6:17 Blake, are you reading this copy "no warm up first try"?
Hi guys, can you reccommend a trail/enduro hardtail with at least 140mm front suspension for 120 kg rider? Budget 1400 eur
Bring back the scout !
This comparission feels wrong.
I would compare a XC- hardtail against a XC fully. Orbea offers both
I know it's a shallow reason, but hard tails are just so much more elegant looking.
fire video
150/140 trail bike FTW
I would always go for the hardtail, but not a 12kg one - no way 😧I would pick the Exceed CF SLX with under 10kg 😁 - and it is even cheaper than the enduro bike. Btw. from a price perspective, your bike comparisons get pretty weird.
My 2023 Laufay H10 weights more than 14kg, is it just the wheels change that takes it as low as 12.5 kg ? Thanks
Blake, where's the Nukeproof Scout?
They are sponsored so I guess have to ride sponsor bikes which isn’t a bad thing 🙂
An rear suspension must always be checked,pression etc, some psi more or less makes it an horrible ride.......
So my suggestion: You can ride everything on a hardtail if speed is not the only thing.
Hardtails for ever!!!!!❤
I mean, you have to perform these same procedures on the hardtail as well, so if you're going to be checking or setting up the fork anyway, it only takes a couple of extra seconds to check the rear shock. Additionally, when there is only front suspension, a change in pressure is much more noticeable and detrimental.
comfort and convenience is for cars and trains. if you want to save time and effort than you should stay at home. challenges are for mountain bikers.
HARDTAIL FOR LIFE (5 grand full sus is way too out of my budget)
from my road 9.1 kg to my hardtail 12.7 kg the diff is huge uphill,i imagine from 12.7 to 16kg i probably will feel like a waste of money😤 no f way .
2700 pond, that is one heavy hardtail
Hardtail wins. Lower cost of entry w/ better components - and hardtails make us better bikers
I just sold my Marin Elroy Hardtail and gone to the dark side and purchased a Marin Alpine Trail full sus e-bike and I love it
Did anyone notice the challenges were the wrong way round? DH challenge going up, and climbing challenge going down..... ?@!@? Great vid still though.
Should i take the orbea laufey h-ltd or a occum h30?
Take the Laufey,o got one,did s 150 mm yaro on it, you will forget about damper!!!
I miss seeing Blake on his ☢️😢
hardtail
Good thing about a hardtail
Use cycle to work scheme to get up to £3000, buy a hardtail 👍
I have been riding $200 hardtrail for like 3 years and saving money to buy an enduro bust also cant afford it cause it cost about a million in here
I wish you could help me ❤
No hardtail, just 170/160 enduro, 150/140 trail bike, 170/160 ebike, downhill bike and a dirt jumper please,but my Bank account is laughing its ass off saying your skint pal you'll have to stick with the one bike.😭😭😭