Im surprised by how many people say this is a useless comparison lol the amount of money could be saved by watching this vidoe is insane. You literally only need a 5800x3d to game at 4K+ with basically the same performance and save your self from buying new ram and mobo. Thats the point those people dont get lol.
Bought one cheap a couple of weeks ago but haven't rebuilt my machine yet as the RX6800XT I got back in July last year developed a fault. So I now have £500 or so to get a more up to date GPU. Just seen this and I'm amazed at the 5800X3D's power for gaming. Not sure if it makes buying a new GPU easier or harder. At least I know now that pretty much no matter what I get it'll be a bottleneck.
Thank you for doing this! All reviewers usually test at 1080P which is fine for pure CPU comparison but I’m never going to play games at less than 4K on my 4090 so I want to see “real world” performance differences between CPUs. This was really helpful!
With this logic I can claim an i3 is as fast as a 13900KS because I'm playing at 8K so I'm gonna pair my 4090 with an i3. You guys seriously don't know how RIDICULOUS you sound. CPUs must be tested at 1080p or lower. Anything higher is stupid
@@od1sseas663why would you care about 1080p gaming performance when you will litteraly never be gaming in 1080p? This video made it clear to me that, in 4K gaming, it doesn't really matter which of these four CPU's you have.
@@od1sseas663 nobody is claiming these cpu are the same speed, this video is clearly not meant to show which cpu is faster, but realistically what performance you’re gonna get in a real life scenario playing at 4k. Nobody with 5800x3d+4090 is gonna game at anything other than 4k. You completely missed the point of the video and commenter.
At this level, all of them are the same due to it being at 4k, if the test was in 1080p or 1440p, the difference would be clearly visible. But at the end the 5800x3d is a crazy budget and intresting option for 4k without bootleneck
Well and at high end people are running 4k so this is best. Sure there’s an arguement for 1440p for maybe 20% of top end users but way less than 5% of 4090 users game at 1080p. And those tests are all out there right? This is by far the best test for the vast majority of 4090 applications. And if you’re gaming with some side editing and stuff the 5800x3d is the clear choice from a value perspective if you’re already on am4. I just don’t see why 99% of people would ever get intel. Just logically makes no sense literally for 99% of people. 7950x3d is the clear winner for gamers that do production or work on same rig. Easier to cool, less power, less heat, more efficient etc etc etc. and for less than a 10% drop in best case is for sure ok for almost all. And if you really needed more I think it’s a clear step to go Threadripper. Will be awesome if they do a 9800x3d chiplet on the next gen workstation chips or something similar. High clock mini chip, and then a few big boys.
@@damonm3 I'm one of the users who only game in 4k with a 4090. I'm using a 5800x right now and see no reason to upgrade. Now if I was competitive gaming I might buy a 3d a long with a lower res monitor. But right now the 4090 is more than enough for 4k 120 that I play. Some games need a little tweaking to get there but it hits it most of the time.
i built my pc 9 months ago, 5800x3d with a 3090ti, my kids bought me a 4090 for fathers day, i really thought i was going to have to upgrade my cpu and mobo, this makes me feel 100% that my concerns were nothing.
Even with something as powerful as a 4090, you are going to be GPU bound if you play at 4k unless your CPU is more than 5 year old. I wish this tester did benchmarks st 1440p because then we could actually see the difference between the CPUs and 1440p is still the standard for ultrawide monitors
Wow! A year ago I thought my 5800X3D would be obsolete by then but it looks like it beating the newer X3D chip by a bit in some games plus almost going head to head with the 13900k
Exactly the same thoughts! I was thinking if I should wait for 7800X3D, but my gut feeling was that upgrading from 5600X + 6900XT to 5800X3D + RTX4090 combo was the right move, because I play at 4K DLSS Quality + RT + Frame-Generation and use VRR to hit 60fps-120fps range on a 120hz 4K TV. Many games get optimized better CPU-wise as patches come 2-6 months after launch, and suddenly the 5800X3D is again on par with the 7800X3D or within 5%. For that 5%, I'm not willing to go through the trouble of unassembling my custom loop completely, selling an old Mobo / RAM / CPU, and buy new ones and assemble it all back together. Instead, I just sold the 5600X and 6900XT at decent price, just before they started to plummet in February, and got a 5800X3D after the price drop and found preblocked RTX4090 iChill Frostbite from Hong Kong at a very good price. It was an easy install as I just drained the loop, popped in the CPU and GPU, put soft tubes back in and filled, ran 1 hour leak test and monitored temps and the loop while using the computer for 72 hrs. 5800X3D is a superb CPU, incredibly value for 4K upscaled gamers.
Only in 4k tho, it gets demolished at resolutions that are more CPU bound, the only reason they are close here is the 4090 is doing all the work because its in 4k, so yeah, if your a 4k gamer you dont have to worry right now, but upgrading GPPU and other parts down the road are going to be harder with outdated CPU.
@@Hairybarryy That CPU will definitely outlast the next generation also. The 3Dvache helps alot of with gaming. Correct the 4090 is bottlenecked by all current CPUs in 1440p and 1080p
I have a 3080 10gb paired with a Ryzen 5 5600x… do you think upgrading to a 5800x3d will be better and for the upcoming years I ever wanna upgrade my gpu?
@@rkwjunior2298 all good. Quick update. I have a 7800x3d and a msi 4090 gaming x trio 😭😭😭 and I play on a Asus Rog swift oled 1440p 240hz. Maybe in the future I’ll upgrade to 4k. HAPPY GAMING YALL 🙏🏻
That's what I have man, and I can't see the reason to upgrade the whole platform. ASUS TUF 4090, 5800x3d, 32gb 3600 ddr4, plus a ton of high as shite speed nvme and ssd storage. No need to start over just for the new stuff. Too many problems anyways.
I got the 5800x3d to go with my 4090 and I'm pretty happy with it. This video shows me that the itch to upgrade is crazy talk. I'll wait another generation at least.
Been watching all the reviews and usually only a 1% diff btw 5800x3d and 7800x3d, so I'm waiting for my 5800x3d to arrive w/ 6800 XT. Should be able to play 4k/45+ with medium-high details and 1440/120+ like a champ. Will wait and save for 4090 Ti or AMD equivalent.
@@carrickdubya4765 That's a sick combo and should be great for a long time. That said, I'd consider a 1440p display. Maybe even the 1440p OLED that just came out. You'll get better performance and you can max out games and whatnot.
Keep in mind this is at 4k where your gpu limited most of the time.. and the 7950X3d not sure if it still has the bug where it performs better when you disable 1 CCD and use only 8 cores.. also at 1080p and 1440p you would see the 7950X3d and 7800X3d preform better than 5800X3d by a good margin with a 4090..
@@I.C.Weiner this is to show people what their cpus or cpu they want to upgrade to in their 4k setup many resolution of this kind of video should very helpful. If you want cpu comparison only this is not the video for you
why is the 5800x3d sometimes better than the 7800x3d? I can't really believe that bench... if this is true i could go eeeeeeeeasily with the 5800x3d instead of the 7800x3d to pair with my 4090. The 7800x3d literally makes no sense if you play in 4k?
Nice video , hello 5800x3D users , i have AK620 DEEPCOOL some games run in gaming 60-70° temp / 45-50 iddle , Should I change the AK620 for an EVGA CLC280? Like this video specs show for lowers temps in gaming?
@@henkhenkos8647 13900k was tested with only 5600mhz ram here, most of them can hit 7800mhz+ on a good motherboard. and they scale lor more with ram speed than amd does.
Almost same fps in all Games...because of GPU bound 4k Resolution. You will not see differences in such high resolutions. But what u see is that Intel CPUs almost need twice the Power for Same fps 😂
What's the point of wasting time testing the processor if you put the GPU to bottleneck? Totally clueless testWhat's the point of wasting time testing the processor if you put the GPU to bottleneck? Totally clueless test
@@purohardware fwiw I specifically looked for a comparison like this to see how much of a difference CPUs make when using a high end GPU at 4K. Turns out there’s basically no difference. Most all reviews test the CPU bound 1080P performance, which is nice to compare the CPUs on raw horsepower but it gives the impression that the difference in FPS is huge between CPUs. The problem is I’m never going to play any games at 1080P on my 4090 so I want to know how much the CPU choice matters in real world use case outside of esports and this was very useful information for that.
I get the same results with the 5600X3D, $199 on closeout, I literally got the last one ever sold at my Micro Center. How much are those bigger boys? Was it like $630 for a 13900K?
for 4090, i would go for 7800x3d if im gaming, workstation or streaming you will need 13900k, 5800x3d is fine but cpu dependant games will struggle, and 7950x3d is no go, its overpriced as hell for just 4-5 frames in 4k
If you upgrade on a ryzen system, the 5800X 3D is your gaming CPU. If you buy a new platform, then the 7800X 3D, or 7600X, or 7500, or something like that is your CPU.
We are missing a huge point in this testing. That is Ray tracing performance. With a 4090 one is expected to play at 4k all settings turned up with ray tracing at native resolution. This testing only shows resyltorised performance. Need to see Ray tracing performance as well...
Raytracing heavily reduces performance - Yes, even on a 4090. It would be a terrible comparison with RT on, especially since some of these games weren’t developed with RT in mind. On a side note: RT is extremely overrated and imo still in its infancy. I’ve seen games where normal rasterization creates virtually identical (if not better) lighting effects at much better performance numbers.
For those who are curious the gpu is the bottleneck when the graphics are maxed out at native 4k. Where you will see the 7800x3d start to really take over is if you are running dlss and lower settings in 4k
I cant decide! I have a 5600x and a 3070. Im upgrading to the 6950xt and im considering a CPU ugrade. I play 1440p on fps games (halo, cod, apex) and use a 240hz monitor. U think its worth the upgrade?
I play COD at 1440p performance settings and had the 3070 w/ 5600X as well. Got 5800x3d (free) and got about 20fps increase and game felt more consistent. A gpu upgrade like a 7900xt would have way more impact and def get an x3d cpu on sale, not at full price.
To really test the cpu utilization, the settings need to be turned down to low settings. Otherwise, 4k high settings will just bottleneck ANY gpu...producing similar fps results
Thank you for making a 4K CPU Benchmark! 👏 🎉 I would love to see some benchmarks with a 5800X & 5900X (non 3D) and even some 9900K/10900K/11900K at 4K to see how much they can bottleneck a 4090 at Native 4K 🙏 Most channels seem to only focus on 1080p or 1440p but GPUs are becoming so powerful that most CPUs will bottleneck them even at Native 4K ! At this pace people will need a ZEN 6 CPU not to bottleneck a 5090/Ti 🙄
For anyone confused about a CPU comparison at 4k, focus on the 1% lows and you'll see there is a difference which will translate in to a smoother or less so experience. But, these are all still very capable at 4k.
It’s not even that. 4k testing is a GPU bottle neck taking load off the CPU. Test this at 1080p when the CPU’s actually have to see a work load and you’ll see the 7800x3d take off
And even more with 1080p. The comments are just full of kids who clearly don’t understand utilization and work load or anything more than seeing a blind FPS number.
My dream is to have this temps on a 5800x3d, even a cheap 360mm wc can’t handle, at 23 of room temperature it is getting around 70-75 during gameplays (already with -30 all cores)
Moral of the story....No need to go AM5 to use a 4090 card. AM4 more than acceptable. 120+ FPS on 4k is good enough. Who really needs bragging rights these days, for what, squeezing another 15 FPS...who cares about that?
DDR5 5600MHz 32GB is not recommended for testing with ryzen, the recommended system is ddr5 6400 MHZ, in intel the loss is less to use that ddr5 5600 than 6400, but if it is significant to use ddr5 4800, it is even worse than ddr4 3600. for in fairness should be compared to ddr5 6400.
Thank you very much for this Video. I build a month ago a new pc with the 5800x3D and now I know that this was the absolute right decision instead of spending nealry 200bucks more for the 7800x3D. I think for 4k gaming you never have to upgrade when you have the 5800x3D!
This is very true at 4K, but testing a CPU at 4k is like testing a GPU at 720p. That's why the numbers are very similar across the board in this test. The GPU utilization is going to be 100% at 4K pretty much always. 1440p would be a better test considering its the sweet spot between fidelity/resolution and performance, and its becoming the most common resolution used by PC gamers. At 1440p the CPU would be taking more of the load and the numbers would be a more accurate depiction of the CPUs performance.
@@Ku5hFi3ndother big channels already did test lower resolutions plus this is actually a more realistic test scenario because the majority of people who bought or will buy a 4090 will use them at 4k. Only few individuals who heavily focus on esports will use it for 1440p or 1080p.
This rig setup is all wrong for comparison. Intel strives on high Hz ram for better fps. 4k resolution will show little difference. but, even at other resolutions the videos are biased without the right hardware.
Porque quando os criadores de conteúdos, nos seus testes com CPUs e GPUs identificam a MOBO, MEMO e até HDs, mas nunca colocam algo sobre a refrigeração, tipo Air Cooler ou Water Cooler utilizado. Como estão testando a performance (FPS), seria lógica também mostrar a temperatura, visto que influencia muito no desempenho do hardware 👍🏻🇧🇷
Idk what to buy. I am so confused by all these new pc specs that are all so close. Yet I want to future proof it too. Can't really decide between 7800 or 7950.
Almost all comparisons on youtube are in 1080P. Its valid to have a comparison in 4K. Some games that are very CPU demanding may perform better with these newer processors, even at 4K.
We all know what the best CPUs are but this is a real world 4k comparison…. Basically letting anyone know that if you have a chip like a 5800x 3d or even say a 12900k there is no need to upgrade to newer architecture if your playing at 4k.
Okay! I even don't need all of the FPS from my 5800X3D & RTX 4090 😂 I limit ALWAYS my FPS to 115 FPS and use a 120Hz LG OLED C1 65'. I simply don't need more FPS.
@@SigmaGrindset-vg4oh because it looks better and 100% no tearing. Perfect is also 118 FPS on 120Hz. If you go to Nvidia settings you will see that standard is 58FPS for 60Hz motors. :))
@@SigmaGrindset-vg4ohusually gsync (or freesync, vrr) will break once fps goes over the refresh rate until it returns within the variable range. So a trick is to limit the frames a couple below the max refresh rate so that it remains in the gsync window. there's also other reasons to do it, power draw, consistency of frametimes, so there's not really a downside, it just depends on someone's preferences.
I think intel did ok with 13th and 14th gen. I dont care for 250 fps. Im more for 4k 100fps on 144hz. I know intel isnt with no mistakes but still pure against amd, not only in ''gaming''.
Im surprised by how many people say this is a useless comparison lol the amount of money could be saved by watching this vidoe is insane. You literally only need a 5800x3d to game at 4K+ with basically the same performance and save your self from buying new ram and mobo. Thats the point those people dont get lol.
That’s what I’m running and could not be happier
Me too😊@@anthonyburgess123
Bought one cheap a couple of weeks ago but haven't rebuilt my machine yet as the RX6800XT I got back in July last year developed a fault. So I now have £500 or so to get a more up to date GPU. Just seen this and I'm amazed at the 5800X3D's power for gaming. Not sure if it makes buying a new GPU easier or harder. At least I know now that pretty much no matter what I get it'll be a bottleneck.
On EU market is 20 dollars difference between 5800X3D and 7800X3D so...
this actually made me want to just get a 4090 (or 5090) instead of rebuilding a whole ass new pc
Thank you for doing this! All reviewers usually test at 1080P which is fine for pure CPU comparison but I’m never going to play games at less than 4K on my 4090 so I want to see “real world” performance differences between CPUs. This was really helpful!
Well said. I couldn't agree more!
With this logic I can claim an i3 is as fast as a 13900KS because I'm playing at 8K so I'm gonna pair my 4090 with an i3. You guys seriously don't know how RIDICULOUS you sound. CPUs must be tested at 1080p or lower. Anything higher is stupid
@@od1sseas663why would you care about 1080p gaming performance when you will litteraly never be gaming in 1080p? This video made it clear to me that, in 4K gaming, it doesn't really matter which of these four CPU's you have.
@@chefshanko1 then go pair your 4090 with an i3 because it doesnt matter in 4k.
@@od1sseas663 nobody is claiming these cpu are the same speed, this video is clearly not meant to show which cpu is faster, but realistically what performance you’re gonna get in a real life scenario playing at 4k. Nobody with 5800x3d+4090 is gonna game at anything other than 4k. You completely missed the point of the video and commenter.
The 5800X3D and AM4 platform still going hella strong… especially considering their prices💯
it is 4k benchmark the result would still be similar with i5 13400 or even i5 12400
God bless you for this. I was about to push the button on "upgrading" my 5800X3D to a 13900K. Not now. Thanks again. This deserves a sub 😊
I went for 5800x3D. Its Gaming beast. Its simply perfect for 4090 on 4k.
@@profesorXa 5800X3D is the best decision I have ever made
The cpu makes a difference with framegeneration. I gain much less FPS with 5900x than 13900k
5800x3D + 7800xt on my x570 am4. Best decision, am5 setups are expensive 😁
At this level, all of them are the same due to it being at 4k, if the test was in 1080p or 1440p, the difference would be clearly visible. But at the end the 5800x3d is a crazy budget and intresting option for 4k without bootleneck
Well and at high end people are running 4k so this is best. Sure there’s an arguement for 1440p for maybe 20% of top end users but way less than 5% of 4090 users game at 1080p. And those tests are all out there right? This is by far the best test for the vast majority of 4090 applications. And if you’re gaming with some side editing and stuff the 5800x3d is the clear choice from a value perspective if you’re already on am4. I just don’t see why 99% of people would ever get intel. Just logically makes no sense literally for 99% of people. 7950x3d is the clear winner for gamers that do production or work on same rig. Easier to cool, less power, less heat, more efficient etc etc etc. and for less than a 10% drop in best case is for sure ok for almost all. And if you really needed more I think it’s a clear step to go Threadripper. Will be awesome if they do a 9800x3d chiplet on the next gen workstation chips or something similar. High clock mini chip, and then a few big boys.
@@damonm3 I'm one of the users who only game in 4k with a 4090. I'm using a 5800x right now and see no reason to upgrade. Now if I was competitive gaming I might buy a 3d a long with a lower res monitor. But right now the 4090 is more than enough for 4k 120 that I play. Some games need a little tweaking to get there but it hits it most of the time.
In 1-2 gens of GPUs, 4k 144hz gaming will be stable even in demanding titles, cant wait for it.@@jet613
i built my pc 9 months ago, 5800x3d with a 3090ti, my kids bought me a 4090 for fathers day, i really thought i was going to have to upgrade my cpu and mobo, this makes me feel 100% that my concerns were nothing.
bruh you got 3090ti.
why need 4090
i mean its good. but you already got beast of a card. and you got monster
@@Ampopoltech i didnt need the 4090 it was a fathers day gift from my kids.
@@avgjoesgamin9935
so you still have the use for 3090?
would like a donation 🙋 😆
Even with something as powerful as a 4090, you are going to be GPU bound if you play at 4k unless your CPU is more than 5 year old. I wish this tester did benchmarks st 1440p because then we could actually see the difference between the CPUs and 1440p is still the standard for ultrawide monitors
@@RockBandPlayer84 4090 is 4k imo. for 1440 better with 7800x3d.
very happy with my 5800x3D
Wow! A year ago I thought my 5800X3D would be obsolete by then but it looks like it beating the newer X3D chip by a bit in some games plus almost going head to head with the 13900k
Exactly the same thoughts! I was thinking if I should wait for 7800X3D, but my gut feeling was that upgrading from 5600X + 6900XT to 5800X3D + RTX4090 combo was the right move, because I play at 4K DLSS Quality + RT + Frame-Generation and use VRR to hit 60fps-120fps range on a 120hz 4K TV. Many games get optimized better CPU-wise as patches come 2-6 months after launch, and suddenly the 5800X3D is again on par with the 7800X3D or within 5%.
For that 5%, I'm not willing to go through the trouble of unassembling my custom loop completely, selling an old Mobo / RAM / CPU, and buy new ones and assemble it all back together. Instead, I just sold the 5600X and 6900XT at decent price, just before they started to plummet in February, and got a 5800X3D after the price drop and found preblocked RTX4090 iChill Frostbite from Hong Kong at a very good price. It was an easy install as I just drained the loop, popped in the CPU and GPU, put soft tubes back in and filled, ran 1 hour leak test and monitored temps and the loop while using the computer for 72 hrs.
5800X3D is a superb CPU, incredibly value for 4K upscaled gamers.
5800X3D is a great CPU for gaming, you can probably keep it for two-three more years.
Only in 4k tho, it gets demolished at resolutions that are more CPU bound, the only reason they are close here is the 4090 is doing all the work because its in 4k, so yeah, if your a 4k gamer you dont have to worry right now, but upgrading GPPU and other parts down the road are going to be harder with outdated CPU.
@MaddoxLyrics nope not true all current cpus bottleneck the 4090 in 1080 and 1440p. A 5800x3d is only like 15-28 frames slower in 1080p and 1440p
@@Hairybarryy That CPU will definitely outlast the next generation also. The 3Dvache helps alot of with gaming. Correct the 4090 is bottlenecked by all current CPUs in 1440p and 1080p
I have my 5800X3D paired with my 4090 , let me just say im proud of my 5800X3D.
İ have 3090 5800x3d ❤️🌹
I have a 3080 10gb paired with a Ryzen 5 5600x… do you think upgrading to a 5800x3d will be better and for the upcoming years I ever wanna upgrade my gpu?
@@xbox360J i think it will depend on your resolution. As i just updated VGA from RX 6900xt to 4090 because I'm playing with 1440p gaming.
@@xbox360J The 3080 is gonna be the bottleneck.
@@rkwjunior2298 all good. Quick update. I have a 7800x3d and a msi 4090 gaming x trio 😭😭😭 and I play on a Asus Rog swift oled 1440p 240hz. Maybe in the future I’ll upgrade to 4k. HAPPY GAMING YALL 🙏🏻
i bought a 7800x3d. it has been amazing. But , after seeing how amazing the 5800x3d is ....call me impressed
That's what I have man, and I can't see the reason to upgrade the whole platform. ASUS TUF 4090, 5800x3d, 32gb 3600 ddr4, plus a ton of high as shite speed nvme and ssd storage. No need to start over just for the new stuff. Too many problems anyways.
@@mv223 On same boat dear, unbothered to upgrade to ddr5 platform. Upgrade GPU and done deal.
I got the 5800x3d to go with my 4090 and I'm pretty happy with it. This video shows me that the itch to upgrade is crazy talk. I'll wait another generation at least.
Been watching all the reviews and usually only a 1% diff btw 5800x3d and 7800x3d, so I'm waiting for my 5800x3d to arrive w/ 6800 XT. Should be able to play 4k/45+ with medium-high details and 1440/120+ like a champ. Will wait and save for 4090 Ti or AMD equivalent.
@@carrickdubya4765 That's a sick combo and should be great for a long time. That said, I'd consider a 1440p display. Maybe even the 1440p OLED that just came out. You'll get better performance and you can max out games and whatnot.
Keep in mind this is at 4k where your gpu limited most of the time.. and the 7950X3d not sure if it still has the bug where it performs better when you disable 1 CCD and use only 8 cores.. also at 1080p and 1440p you would see the 7950X3d and 7800X3d preform better than 5800X3d by a good margin with a 4090..
What's the purpose of having a 4090 to play at 1440 tho?
It's a CPU comparison l. They should be running as low resolution as possible so the gpu is not the bottleneck.
@@felipemotorhead hi refresh rate 165+ htz
@@I.C.Weiner this is to show people what their cpus or cpu they want to upgrade to in their 4k setup many resolution of this kind of video should very helpful. If you want cpu comparison only this is not the video for you
Very nice real world comparison at 4k. This will help a lot of people on the fence about upgrading to the newest architecture.
being gpu bound too really helps us tell how great the cpu is!
why is the 5800x3d sometimes better than the 7800x3d? I can't really believe that bench... if this is true i could go eeeeeeeeasily with the 5800x3d instead of the 7800x3d to pair with my 4090. The 7800x3d literally makes no sense if you play in 4k?
I have the 5800X3D with my RTX 4090 and I'm so happy as hell I've done this! 🎉
There's simply nothing to prefer the 7800X3D for at 4k gaming!
I ordered a 5800x3d yesterday too 😊
@@GrimesRic very good bro! have fun!
@@GrimesRic congratulations bro
Order one today should arrive today the 7 5800x3d
What cooler are you using for all these tests? The temps look really good i have a 7800x3d but my cpu runs at like 60c please let us know
Nice video , hello 5800x3D users , i have AK620 DEEPCOOL some games run in gaming 60-70° temp / 45-50 iddle , Should I change the AK620 for an EVGA CLC280? Like this video specs show for lowers temps in gaming?
13900k showing a huge difference in 0.1% lows. I feel like this raises overall stability and pads stuttering
It’s EXACTLY the same as 7950X3D lol
The 13900k runs alot hotter then any of the Ryzen ones
@@henkhenkos8647 13900k was tested with only 5600mhz ram here, most of them can hit 7800mhz+ on a good motherboard. and they scale lor more with ram speed than amd does.
5800x3d BEAST !
Does the Ryzen run in Stock settings or with negative curve optimizer? How you cooling, just 41° in load?
Almost same fps in all Games...because of GPU bound 4k Resolution. You will not see differences in such high resolutions.
But what u see is that Intel CPUs almost need twice the Power for Same fps 😂
true
What's the point of wasting time testing the processor if you put the GPU to bottleneck? Totally clueless testWhat's the point of wasting time testing the processor if you put the GPU to bottleneck? Totally clueless test
Facts 😂
@@purohardware fwiw I specifically looked for a comparison like this to see how much of a difference CPUs make when using a high end GPU at 4K. Turns out there’s basically no difference. Most all reviews test the CPU bound 1080P performance, which is nice to compare the CPUs on raw horsepower but it gives the impression that the difference in FPS is huge between CPUs. The problem is I’m never going to play any games at 1080P on my 4090 so I want to know how much the CPU choice matters in real world use case outside of esports and this was very useful information for that.
Agree I have 4090 and 1440p 240Hz monitor. One week ago got 7800X3D. Some games got double fps...
May I ask what cooler are you using to have those low temps on the 5800x3d?
I get the same results with the 5600X3D, $199 on closeout, I literally got the last one ever sold at my Micro Center. How much are those bigger boys? Was it like $630 for a 13900K?
How did you get this temperature of 40 degrees on the 7800x3d?
7950x3d with 4,7 ghz did you turn on the power?
for 4090, i would go for 7800x3d if im gaming, workstation or streaming you will need 13900k, 5800x3d is fine but cpu dependant games will struggle, and 7950x3d is no go, its overpriced as hell for just 4-5 frames in 4k
If you upgrade on a ryzen system, the 5800X 3D is your gaming CPU. If you buy a new platform, then the 7800X 3D, or 7600X, or 7500, or something like that is your CPU.
We are missing a huge point in this testing. That is Ray tracing performance. With a 4090 one is expected to play at 4k all settings turned up with ray tracing at native resolution. This testing only shows resyltorised performance. Need to see Ray tracing performance as well...
Raytracing heavily reduces performance - Yes, even on a 4090. It would be a terrible comparison with RT on, especially since some of these games weren’t developed with RT in mind.
On a side note: RT is extremely overrated and imo still in its infancy. I’ve seen games where normal rasterization creates virtually identical (if not better) lighting effects at much better performance numbers.
What is your idle temp on 7800x3d? I’m using Corsair h150i elite capelix XT and mai idle CPU package temp is usually 45. Is this normal ?
I have the same setup and same temperatures lol
what value for minimum 4K Gaming with RTX 4090
What cooling ur using for cpu and gpu reply pls !
For those who are curious the gpu is the bottleneck when the graphics are maxed out at native 4k. Where you will see the 7800x3d start to really take over is if you are running dlss and lower settings in 4k
Amazing 5800x3d . .
I wonder what cpu coolers where used? A lot better temps on the amd's.
thanks for these comparisons and data. was about to platform upgrade but just not worth it given these results for 5800x3d 👏
Bro you can literally spend your time till 2030 without actually needing an upgrade
@@emre12978 That's what I am hoping too, here waiting for the 5800x3d to replace my R 1600.
In what universe does a 5800x3d out perform a 7800x3d? If this was lmg youd stop production for a week
i have the 5800x3d and the 4090 and see no point upgrading in the near future and im playing in 4k
5800X3D won. Thanks.
Why doesn't any benchmark channel test games like factorio or satisfactory? That are completely other type of games that use a lot of cache.
I cant decide! I have a 5600x and a 3070. Im upgrading to the 6950xt and im considering a CPU ugrade. I play 1440p on fps games (halo, cod, apex) and use a 240hz monitor. U think its worth the upgrade?
I play COD at 1440p performance settings and had the 3070 w/ 5600X as well. Got 5800x3d (free) and got about 20fps increase and game felt more consistent. A gpu upgrade like a 7900xt would have way more impact and def get an x3d cpu on sale, not at full price.
To really test the cpu utilization, the settings need to be turned down to low settings. Otherwise, 4k high settings will just bottleneck ANY gpu...producing similar fps results
Thank you for making a 4K CPU Benchmark! 👏 🎉
I would love to see some benchmarks with a 5800X & 5900X (non 3D) and even some 9900K/10900K/11900K at 4K to see how much they can bottleneck a 4090 at Native 4K 🙏
Most channels seem to only focus on 1080p or 1440p but GPUs are becoming so powerful that most CPUs will bottleneck them even at Native 4K ! At this pace people will need a ZEN 6 CPU not to bottleneck a 5090/Ti 🙄
Thanks mate ! Great video 👋👋👋 now i know if want to go 4k, all I need to do is upgrating my GPU.
For my RX 7800 XT what cpu is better? R7 5800X3D? or 7800X3D ?
The 7950x3d is nearly the same for gaming, any productivity stuff and it eats it alive
For anyone confused about a CPU comparison at 4k, focus on the 1% lows and you'll see there is a difference which will translate in to a smoother or less so experience. But, these are all still very capable at 4k.
It’s not even that. 4k testing is a GPU bottle neck taking load off the CPU. Test this at 1080p when the CPU’s actually have to see a work load and you’ll see the 7800x3d take off
I think most here don't realise it's 4k, so look at the cpu usage. Still a helpful comparison but yeah you'll see better differences with 1440p
And even more with 1080p. The comments are just full of kids who clearly don’t understand utilization and work load or anything more than seeing a blind FPS number.
how do the 4090 have only 60° gpu temp? is watercooler or something?
I think it’s a crime that some RUclipsrs say you need the best cpu for the 4090 when in reality you don’t at 4k
My dream is to have this temps on a 5800x3d, even a cheap 360mm wc can’t handle, at 23 of room temperature it is getting around 70-75 during gameplays (already with -30 all cores)
I actually wanted to see this test and it helped me decide what parts I will use for my backup system thank you!
You don’t have your 7950x3d bios settings right. PBO easily runs my chip up to 5700-5800mhz
No idea why this video is so low in the search… great vid/info i needed got 5800x3d needed to be sure if can pull the 4090 or i was getting the 4080
хм, тут всё в вк упирается и фпс по сути с погрешностью, 5800 отличный выбор за свои деньги
Why is everything in 4k.. i don't get it... So the difference is only plus or minu 10.
Moral of the story....No need to go AM5 to use a 4090 card. AM4 more than acceptable. 120+ FPS on 4k is good enough. Who really needs bragging rights these days, for what, squeezing another 15 FPS...who cares about that?
Could you do one for 1440?
5950X with my 4090 stock at 4k , SOTTR TAA highest settings = 188 !
씨피유 쿨링은 무엇으로 하는지 알 수 있을까요? 제 아이들 온도가 여기서 게임돌릴 때 온도라니. 7800x3d, 발키리 gl360 쓰고 방온도 28도 정도에 아이들 온도 42도 인데 여긴 게임 돌리는데 이 온도네요..;;
5800x3d ?
Temp 42,7C at 4450mhz for the 5800x3d. That's colder than my idle temp with Gigabyte ATC800. That can't be correct.
cool cpu test where the gpu limits the fps in all settings to 4k
This video is pointless....
If you want to compare CPUs, you don't cause a GPU bottleneck by setting the game to 4K and Ultra settings...
DDR5 5600MHz 32GB is not recommended for testing with ryzen, the recommended system is ddr5 6400 MHZ, in intel the loss is less to use that ddr5 5600 than 6400, but if it is significant to use ddr5 4800, it is even worse than ddr4 3600. for in fairness should be compared to ddr5 6400.
as far as i am informed, AMD themselves said, that sweet spot is 6000MHz, not 6400.
Thank you very much for this Video.
I build a month ago a new pc with the 5800x3D and now I know that this was the absolute right decision instead of spending nealry 200bucks more for the 7800x3D.
I think for 4k gaming you never have to upgrade when you have the 5800x3D!
This is very true at 4K, but testing a CPU at 4k is like testing a GPU at 720p. That's why the numbers are very similar across the board in this test. The GPU utilization is going to be 100% at 4K pretty much always. 1440p would be a better test considering its the sweet spot between fidelity/resolution and performance, and its becoming the most common resolution used by PC gamers. At 1440p the CPU would be taking more of the load and the numbers would be a more accurate depiction of the CPUs performance.
@@Ku5hFi3ndother big channels already did test lower resolutions plus this is actually a more realistic test scenario because the majority of people who bought or will buy a 4090 will use them at 4k. Only few individuals who heavily focus on esports will use it for 1440p or 1080p.
I wonder how it is in 8k resolution
I dont see that 1% lows being lower on amd idk what is everyone talking about..
His framerate monitor is capped at 60. Nothing is but actually being displayed, which is why all the 4090 hit the same fps.
i am more wondering why the AMD is so much cooler
Consumes nearly half the power
So, the 13900k is slightly faster, but consumes twice as much 😮
Still cheaper then a 7950x3d
@@TheGam3Br3akeRbetter workload Thoe so it makes sense
5800X3D vs 7800X3D vs 7950X3D vs 13900K + GeForce RTX 4090
ruclips.net/video/6BVoTOIbu5c/видео.html : FHD(1920x1080)
ruclips.net/video/vP8kULXOEDI/видео.html : QHD(2560x1440)
ruclips.net/video/M_etPtoZ6lY/видео.html : 4K UHD(3840x2160)
Wtf 5800x3d monster
It’s not this guy has no cpus or gpu false numbers
@@SoulQuackthey’re real or ver close. It’s at 4k… so ya, u wrong
@@damonm3yeah I don’t know why they’re testing CPU’s at 4K 😂
So it's pointless upgrading my 5800X3D. Thanks for saving me hundreds of pounds. 🎉❤👍🏿
Damn that AMD 7800x3d chilling at 40-50watts....
idk but my amd have about 80 degress in pupg with the 4090 rtx in 4k and a 360mm aio
How is it that your 5800x3d temps that low? 42 mine reaches 56-60 and thats a 360mm aio is this a custom loop?
i use a custom loop for 5800x3d but still see 70s, bro probably use a nuclear reactor to cool it down
Когда-нибудь они научатся тестировать процессоры без упора в видеокарту 😂😂😂 Я верю что когда-нибудь эти горе обзорщики хапнут матчасти
This is the test I was looking for! no need to upgrade from a 5900x and a 7900xtx to the new am5's. Rather pointless when gaming at 4k.
Look at 5800x3D gpu memory consumption, It always less 2GB. What is happening here.
How is this even possible to reach almost same score like 13900k? Im talking about 5800x3d…
Usless comparison
As 4k depend mainly on gpu
Comparison should be done on 1080p
if you do cpu benchmark comparisons don't play games at max settings with gpu at 100% with every cpu...
You can’t test CPU’s at 4k 😒. I thought this was normal information by now
This rig setup is all wrong for comparison. Intel strives on high Hz ram for better fps. 4k resolution will show little difference. but, even at other resolutions the videos are biased without the right hardware.
prácticamente no hay diferencia ,en los fps pero si en las temperaturas ,muy alta la de intel con respecto a amd
Porque quando os criadores de conteúdos, nos seus testes com CPUs e GPUs identificam a MOBO, MEMO e até HDs, mas nunca colocam algo sobre a refrigeração, tipo Air Cooler ou Water Cooler utilizado. Como estão testando a performance (FPS), seria lógica também mostrar a temperatura, visto que influencia muito no desempenho do hardware 👍🏻🇧🇷
da pra ver a temperatura ai
Idk what to buy. I am so confused by all these new pc specs that are all so close. Yet I want to future proof it too. Can't really decide between 7800 or 7950.
no bottleneck 5800x3d pair with rtx4090?
Nice GPU test.
Sad it's useless for CPU comparison.
Almost all comparisons on youtube are in 1080P. Its valid to have a comparison in 4K. Some games that are very CPU demanding may perform better with these newer processors, even at 4K.
We all know what the best CPUs are but this is a real world 4k comparison…. Basically letting anyone know that if you have a chip like a 5800x 3d or even say a 12900k there is no need to upgrade to newer architecture if your playing at 4k.
essential to see how the lows compare and whether am4 owners should platform upgrade to am5 (which this vid shows they do not need to)
Okay! I even don't need all of the FPS from my 5800X3D & RTX 4090 😂 I limit ALWAYS my FPS to 115 FPS and use a 120Hz LG OLED C1 65'. I simply don't need more FPS.
Why are you limiting it to 115 and not 120 Hz? I have C2, but I am certain the C1 also has 120 Hz.
@@SigmaGrindset-vg4oh because it looks better and 100% no tearing. Perfect is also 118 FPS on 120Hz.
If you go to Nvidia settings you will see that standard is 58FPS for 60Hz motors. :))
@@SigmaGrindset-vg4ohusually gsync (or freesync, vrr) will break once fps goes over the refresh rate until it returns within the variable range. So a trick is to limit the frames a couple below the max refresh rate so that it remains in the gsync window. there's also other reasons to do it, power draw, consistency of frametimes, so there's not really a downside, it just depends on someone's preferences.
You would see a difference at 1080p and 2k.
I get way more fps than i9 14900k on a 7800x3d with my 4090 on ultra
Nice test of 4090
damn you got hella computers
I think intel did ok with 13th and 14th gen. I dont care for 250 fps. Im more for 4k 100fps on 144hz. I know intel isnt with no mistakes but still pure against amd, not only in ''gaming''.
These numbers are incorect. 7800x3d is 30%+ stronger CPU
Vielen Dank für dein Video. Ich werde meinen 5800X3D behalten. Fazit: Der beste von allen!
And some unintelligent people still think that the 7800x3d is the best processor for gaming. 🤔
I don’t think so but most videos like amd say better but now change if same ghz play and 1440p better Intel …..
What's the point of this test? For dummies to know that cpu doesnt matter when gpu caps?
This shows with the new processors, the bottleneck is the 4090.
Thanks i figured we were in gpu bound town still😊
in 4k 5800x3d is overall faster than all? wtf ?? hmmm
Yes 4K!!! 🎉🎉 🎉
And 5700x ? 😅😅
4K 비교라 너무 값지다.. 제발 1080 좀 그만 했으면.. 그거 갭차이 봐바야 저렇게 달고 FHD 쓰는 사람이 얼마나 있다고
rtx6090 나와도 4k 병목 생길듯ㅋㅋ