Moab - Fins and Things, Who Does it Better, Jeeps vs Pinzgauer!
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- We finally got our trip out to Moab and decided to warm up on Fins and Things trail since it is a moderate rated trail. It did not disappoint, and I will warn you the obstacles are much bigger in person, the GoPro really flattens out some of the climbs and descents.
We got a great feeling at how capable the Pinzgauer really is and it did not disappoint. I got to ride along inside the Pinzgauer and get a good feeling of what it's like and I will say it's so much more fun than just watching it from the outside!
Ok, don't get me wrong, I love all kinds of offroading videos and you folks do a great job of videoing and editing, but we definitely need more Pinzgauer. There are a metric ton of videos about Toyotas and Jeeps out there, but to see an antique foreign former military rig out there doing the trails is another level of epic!
Thanks for the feedback! That's what I gathered too! We'll try to get some more footage of the Pizgauer as we can, it's definitely blown away all my expectations.
@@bikesnjeeps I just got a Pinzgauer 710M (the 4 wheel version) and out of all the Jeeps and Toyota's that I have had, it is definitely the most fun. It is loud, smelly, uncouth and just very raw, but I think those things are part of the appeal!
But it’s not an antique former military rig. It’s still used by the Austrian army today.
I miss my 4x4 pinzgauer. Had one on late 1999 to early 2000. Stock it would beat some modded jeeps off road. I had lifted both rear wheels on my pinzgauer one time going down hill. Max pucker factor. Cheers.
Love how Americans always do comparisons between highly modified Jeeps with bog standard (Pinzgauer in this case) vehicles.
Had me on pinz and needles. What a rig.
Thank you for this, especially showing the views from the inside. Riding in a Pinzgauer looks like an absolute blast.
Thanks for watching! My Jeep was out with the driveshaft being worked on and I'm kind of glad it was because I've never ridden in the front like that before! It was really fun!
Great Pinzgauer driving skills - well done! Own myself a 712K - about to be electrified.
Keep posting those great videos about a great off-road vehicle. Never forget: this was developed 50 years ago and still keeps up more than adequately :-)
Careful... electric pinz projects seem to quietly disappear and are never heard from again. Don't ruin it.
I always thought an electrin Pinzgauer (or offroad machine in general) would be great. Better controllability and lots of range at low speed, in addition to regen braking would be amazing at offroading.
Can I ask you where you're from?
@@ErikDJ123 yes, because many - including myself - underestimate the complexity to make it truly functional and safe - the team around Hannes Reinisch @projectecarus are on the right path 🤙😊
@@maxiferrari08 @projectecarus has a very good prototype running - the goal is not to merely electrify a Pinzgauer, the goal is to make the Pinzgauer a better Pinzgauer (and that is hard already) - what does better mean? Much more power, much more silent, zero emissions ❤️😊
the Pinzgauer were really good off-road vehicles. This one is also from the Swiss Army, which was in service from 1972 to 2008. The Swiss Army had 660 Pinzgauer in Service. For a Oldtimer is the Pinzgauer still today very good against to the new Jeeps.
Enjoyed your video. Fins and Things is one of my favorite places.
Thank you!
Pinzis are build too drive with a bit more "momentum" because there not having super low crawling gears.Sitting over your front wheels and steep downhilling is a scary job! Ha ha! And the carbureted air cooled four banger drives you crazy without ear plugs!
Hehe… I was lucky enough to drive these for decades during my years of service. In fact, they are quite capable, especially in tight spaces like forests, narrow tracks, or ravines. Personally I prefer the 4x4 version.
If you are rolling too fast backwards with 1. Forward Gear, the rpms of the Clutch Plate could get too high and the cluth linings can "explode".
Great to know! Luckily he didn't have any issues the rest of the week and still drives great.
Love how these comparisons never use a stock model sport jeep for comparison.😂
Clutch control is something that can be worked on.
It's awesome ❤
Very cool. What PSI was the Pinzgauer running? Seems like it would have benifited from some more grippy tires.
I think he was running about 20 PSI. Anymore and he'd burp air out of them, not very good wheels for going very low. He had burped lots of air out of a tire later in the week so that was about as low as he was comfortable with.
I run Staun Bead Locks on my 712.... You can run the Simex Pedes/Land Dragons at 8 psi and the grip is amazing.
Ok, hold up. You guys mentioned Silver Dollar City? Where you folks from? I live just outside of Springfield, MO. You folks are definitely in my AO!
We are from Northwest Arkansas! We off-road a lot in the Ozark National Forest because of how close it is to us.
@@bikesnjeeps You guys ever make it up to the Moore Overland Rally in Springfield? If not, definitely put it on your to-do list. Another one coming up in April 24 and it is a blast!
Ah.. it did not look like you had the Pinz in All wheel?....the levers are all forward...in that one interior shot.
I'll take a Pinz over a jeep any day of the week. Cheaper, out performs way better, won't brake an axel, and we don't put gay ducks on our window.
Still has the original Swiss license plate ... 😊
no, it´s just a replica...
It's not a equal comparison with jeeps running 40 inch tyres pinzs on 33 at most .
Sorry....I owned a Pinz for more than 10 years and it would laugh at that little hill, mine was 4x4.......Driver needs more training. Is that bad?..if you don,t know you should not be driving.
It’s all about momentum, Don’t roll and stop….roll through. Rookie mistakes.
When you are offroading in your Jeep or Pinzgauer, which gear or approach do you typically use to keep your momentum up on the steep ledges? Do you typically approach the obstacles a little faster?
@@garyprinz2678 With the 6x6 Pinzgauer you can try it a bit faster than you did. First choose ypur own track it might be another one than the normal 4x4 due to the drivetrain of the Pinzgauer. Don't forget, that you have carbs that have been designed around 70 years ago. If you go up on a longer period with more than 70% make sure that your carbs are top adjusted. The wear in the carbs after 15.000 - 20.000 km makes the level of the petrol higher which is sometimes not good in extrem situations - you have to adjust them somtimes with very slim washers under the petrol valves. There is a tool (transparent little hose) to check it from the outside during idling on flat ground. For extrem situations an electric fuel pump is better also - allthough you engine is running fine on the video.
If you have to go down backwards steep, remember that the Drum brakes are not made to work backwards very fine - be careful. If your parkbrake is in a good shape (it's a double disc brake) it will yould you save but don't use it if you are too fast. Backwards steep Downhill try to use the reverse gear and brake a bit with the footbrake.
It think the rubber of the tires that you have used in the movie is not good. We recommend the BFG KM3 255/85R16 for all Pinzgauers Offroad. (if it's not too muddy) This rocks I would try with a cold 1.5 bar in the back axles and 1.7 in the front.
Don't let yourself getting fooled from people who only drove modern cars in their life. They don't know the feeling without power steering, without automatic gearbox with torque converter, always keep attention that the engine doesn't stop in extrem conditions or have nearly (realy no bralkes if crossing a pont before) no breaks going downhill backwards - you have to learn it for your self. Some attack anchles on this rock trails are not possible without building a small ramp or whatever for the Pinzgauer - that's because of the forward cab design - but you can't seat 12 people in the back of the Rubicon or put a 3m long Ambulance Shelter like on the Pinzgauer. Take a series Jeep with orignal tire size from 1973 on this track and a series Pinzgauer ... .
Don't go to higher tires than 255/85R16. The drive shafts are not indistructable as most of them are 50 years in service. It's always a bit of a danger if you climb over an obstacle and the last axle is in the air and the full power is on the 2. axle - if possible I always try to be fast before that key position and go a bit from the throttle to protect the shafts in the 2. axle.
If it's very steep downhill forward and you have enough traction you can go down in 1. low with all lockers and stop the ignition. If it's steep enough you have a perfekt engine braking - if you are start sliding you have to turn the key again and go a bit on the throttle.
75% driver...
Nooo stop showing off pinzgauers, they're pricey enough! Let people keep wasting their $ on Stellantis vehicles.
Nothing short of awesome