The biggest problem I have with TWD is the season finale wasn’t really a finale. It was a set up episode for all the spin offs. AMC absolutely milked TWD for every penny they could with no care to quality.
Everyone says this, but how exactly? Daryl, Negan, Maggie, and the Commonwealth, got satisfying conclusions, and of course TOWL was teased in what was essentially a post-credits scene. 11x24 acted more as a finale than a "setup episode."
@@TheFerg714 I think if the final shot of the show (besides rick) wasn't Daryl leaving to start a new adventure, especially one we were promised we'd see, I'd agree with you here. The final two scenes (now including Rick) are pure setup, and that's the final taste they left in everyone's mouth on the mothership show. Still a great episode just... annoying
@@scottsspot But Daryl wasn't "starting a new adventure" in that scene. He was simply going on a run to recruit people, which was honestly the perfect ending for him.
@@TheFerg714 what are the context clues to support that? Because if that's what they were going for it was terribly done. You dont make a "run" feel as "final" as him riding off into the sunset. I mean right before, Maggie is telling him we need to expand and see the world. It felt 110% like a sendoff
Carl dying was what killed the whole show. Though i do agree the problems were adding up over time. But it was carls death that broke the camels back. God why did they do that lol
Absolutely, I've said it a million times but comic book Carl is my favorite TWD character period, and the show butchered all his big moments and then killed him before the whisperer arc which imo has some of his most interested and awesome moments
They killed Chandler Riggs off because he was older and they would have to pay him as an adult and not a child actor anymore. The man purchased a house in Atlanta. Same shit Happened to Beth
I love that you touched on how deep we actually are into the apocalypse by the end of the show. When they decided to have a time skip after Andrew Lincoln's departure of like what was it 5 years? That's basically when I stopped watching. There were plenty of other reasons and arguably the show got better once the showrunners changed. Unfortunately they really thought they could just skip ahead years to decades and act like nothing changed. To act as if there could still be groups of completely innocent and not hardened people around 10 years after the entire world collapsed.
@@IIIISai Y’all are forgetting how he befriended Judith, meaning I assume she brought him books etc, stuff to do that kept him busy. Rick stopped by, so did Michonne, so did Carol, and I guarantee Daryl did a few times as well. That’s one of the things about the show I’m not upset about, Negan’s state of mind. You wouldn’t go literally crazy when you have interactions with people weekly. My brother was put in isolation/solitary for 8mos while in prison. He said as long as he could pray, read the Bible and other books, and exercise in his cell, he was fine. Not seeing people bothered him somewhat, but not as much as you’d think. Ppl being thrown into solitary as POW’s is a completely diff story in the real world. It’s much more terrible than solitary in prison. Negan wasn’t an actual psychopath or sociopath before they threw him in there ya know. My point is, ppl who are mentally ill are usually ALREADY that way before put into confinement under fairly decent & humane conditions 🤷🏼♀️
@@jacks1bonnielass thats a beautiful story and breakdown fair enough, I guess what I wanted was some type of adjustment, it felt too quick, the shows timeskip also never made us feel the true solitary, fair enough tho, how big was your brothers cell btw
I dropped off for Rick's "final" episode. I was always an avid believer of this being Rick's story, so it should end with Rick (like the comic did), or pass the torch to Carl. Seeing as it did neither, I decided to make Rick's last episode my own finale to the series. Ngl it was very depressing seeing the show's decay in real time. I went from watching this series with my family as a weekly occurrence as a kid, speculating and talking about future events with my friends in high school, to sitting alone in my college dorm half paying attention and just scrolling through my phone as I was given bottle episode after bottle episode post Negan. I was definitely one of the last people in my community that stuck with that show, and even I couldn't escape from that indifference feeling leading up to Rick's final episode :/. I think my dad fell off around Alexandria, the rest of my family actually did fall off post Glenn's death, and most of my friends stopped watching during All Out War.
This describes me a lot too, i was 7 when the show started then i watched the last few episodes in my college dorm, my entire family watched till Glenn died, then it was only me till the end, i still like TWD, but nothing can beat those early days.
Thats when I was done to, but I felt the Show ended after Negan. It just wasnt about Surviving Zombies anymore. Once Zombies where no longer a real threat, it just wasnt the same Show.
They legit hardly used guns in season 9 cuz they got set back and started using bows n shit again and before that they were using eugenes method for making bullets
Fr. I think that issue started once the got to Alexandria and only got worse once they introduced the other communities and the saviors. You watch a community get absolutely massacred with a significant number of people dying and then suddenly a bunch more survivors just kinda appear and we’re supposedly always there. I understand that that kind of thing is mostly due to logistic and budgetary restrictions on TV shows, but it still totally brings me out of the show. Completely eliminates the stakes and connect the viewer has with these groups. The worst offense was the Commonwealth supposedly having a 50k+ population, yet we only ever saw maybe 20-30 people on screen at any given time. Also they reused that one set location to death. Didn’t feel immersive or real
I read that the lack of crowds for the commonwealth was due to Covid restrictions. Once restrictions were lifted could they then have bigger crowd scenes.
I kinda stopped liking the show after season 5 finale but kept watching until the saviors get introduced along with the hilltop and kingdom all the sudden multiple cities of people just appear outta nowhere
Yea I agree that was so dumb. First Rick has no issues dealing with the saviors, then all of a sudden there's thousands of them in the area and Rick is hopelessly out numbered? Yea right lol Such a dumb way to handle things
@@wesleybutler1868 They reused a ton of sets for different locations and some "new" locations were just old locations filmed from a different angle. Raleigh Studios is one of these locations, among many others. The Saviors base was the other end of the same building as the prison from S3. The junkyard was located just ~100 yards away from the Saviors base and the walle xpansion that Abraham oversaw construction of is located right next to the prison. Father Gabriel's church is located just on the other side of the woods to the east of Raleigh Studios. The funeral home where Daryl and Beth take refuge is right behind Alexandria, which is located right next to Woodbury. Pylant Street, which is located right behind/west of Alexandria, was used for multiple locations, including "The Pudding House" where Carl finds a can of chocolate pudding after going out on his own while Rick is recovering in another house. The site where the survivors scatter after the prison has been destroyed is here as well and the first "Terminus" signs were located on the railroad just north of this street. These railroad tracks that the survivors follow in S4 pass right between Woodbury and Alexandria. They later used the railroad tracks behind Raleigh Studios for some of these shots as well. Crook Road is another real-world location that was used thoroughly throughout many seasons for different fictional locations. The intersection of Crook Road/Chestlehurst Road was used both in S4E4 (Rick and Carol are on a supply run) and S5E2 (Daryl and Carol find a car while out looking for water). In S5E6, Carol is driving back from her hideout and sees the prison on fire. This exact same spot was used earlier in S4E16 when Rick bites into Joe's jugular vein, killing him. A little bit further south, in S5E6, you can see it in the driving shot of Carol heading back to the prison. This exact same spot was used in S2E10 when Rick throws Randall into the back of the car. A little further south of this location is where Rick is driving back to the prison after splitting up with Carol in S4E4. Andrea and Shane have a sex scene on this road in S2E6 and Merle and Michonne drive on this road in S3E15. Crook Road was extensively throughout the whole run of the show. The location where Rick meets with the Governor in S3E13 is located on the right side of the road where Rick & Glenn are driving to find Hershel in S2E8. The building on the other side of the road (opposite the Governor/Rick meeting location) is where Michonne scavenges aspirin Andrea in S3E1. Park Road was also used for two different locations, just a few yards apart. In S2E10 when Rick and Shane start fighting when dropping off Randall, and in S4E15 when Glenn sees the message written by Maggie on a Terminus sign. These two locations are just three buildings apart.
Dropped off because Carl died, it wasn't even me liking the character or the actor, he was okay. His characterization was honestly mostly bad, probably a writing issue. But all that's irrelevant, Carl was the center of the show, without him, Rick doesn't work as a character. Rick doing everything for his Son is the central point of his character, its why you can watch Rick go and do absoultely unhinged fucked up things, and still end up rooting for him, without that element to his character, Rick is just some crazy no stakes action hero. They spent so long building up that bond between him and Carl that without it the show itself died to me, bad quality of s7 and s8 didn't help but at that moment it all just sorta became white noise to me, the characters just became actors, the ongoing story just became a script, and the illusion of the world being real was shattered, and this wasn't even for a character I even particularly liked. Just one of the worst writing decisions ever made in the history of Television really.
Yep agreed. You know I hated Glens death, but i could accept his death a lot more then Carls surprisingly simply based off what you said. Carl was also being set up as the man to carry the torch After Rick. Even in the Comics Carl lives on. Lots of build up for Carl snd it was ALL wasted…. The way they killed him off was lazy as fuck. I still liked season 8 to a degree but his death nearly ruined it for me.
This. Carls death did it for me. He was finally made to be not annoying and they’re like epp time to go bc it will subvert expectations!!! Glens death we knew was coming. Carl? Why. CORAL!!!! Noooooo!!!
For the longest time I thought I had stopped watching after Glenn. After re-watching the whole show, in order to see the seasons I hadn't, I had apparently watched about half of season 8. I just did not remember any of it.
i stopped after Negans defeat... i remember everyone at my job at the time coming in every week hooked on the show. I loved Negan belittling Rick then the old grimmy Rick coming out. Loved all the Savior chars too... once he beat all of them I felt like it was a perfect ending to the show. Next season I kindof fell back more and more also changed jobs so maybe thats it. I just not a fan of shows that go on forever. Thats why i was a fan of all those HBO shows like The Wire and stuff because it was long but not long
Problem is they didn't replace any of those who died with interesting characters. I can remember most of the deaths/characters in the first bunch of seasons. Everyone new after that sucked. For example Tara who was the sole survivor from her town joins the group that killed them... That's a gold mine of interesting development but no they just sideline her until we don't care anymore.
@@zebwiz1900a lot of the female characters got pretty one dimensional over time as well. Sasha, Tara, Maggie, Rosita, Michonne (mostly). Felt like Carol was the only female character who’s story actually mattered to the plot and was constantly developing
For me personally, the show was far more interesting when the main threat was the Zombies. The show benefited from having very few people in it because it made the group feel like it was them vs the world, with very little hope of finding other people to help them survive. As soon as the show started focusing more on the human vs human conflict, and introduced the many different towns and communities, it just lost what made it special. It became yet another human vs human show, with a bit of a zombie apocalypse sprinkled in. Don't get me wrong, when human vs human conflict was first brought into the show in season 3 and early season 4, it was a really interesting perspective to see how our characters would handle that, as we had never seen things from that perspective really up to that point. But as soon as the show focused almost purely on human vs human, for season after season after season, TWD just became unwatchable for me. I dropped off after Negan was defeated, but well before then I was losing interest. Retrospectively, I actally now think that the best place to end the series would have been when the group gets to Alexandria.
The human V human conflicts in the earlier seasons worked because of the scale, the sizes of the groups made sense. When they groups lost even a few people it was felt by their communities, it's actually a loss because it's the apocalypse and there's so few people. The savior seasons onward didn't care about the scale of the groups, just like what he said in this video. No matter how many people died it didn't seem to matter at all, because in the next episode or scene all those people would be replenished plus some lol. It was so poorly done season 7 onward
Except the human versus human conflict was the entire point of TWD series, the novels. The major theme being that even when humanity should become united against a common threat that human nature still makes us see other people as enemies.
Absolutely.. 👍🏻👍🏻 kinda funny you mentioned that they could've finished the show once Rick's group arrives at Alexandria.. because Kirkman actually had thought about that. He said he was really thinking about ending the comic once Rick and Co arrived at Alexandria.
I mean living in zombie world for a long time eventually they aren’t the main threat just annoyance that humans can use as a tool to help raid other communities.
The fucking spinoffs make zero since, I binged the walking dead during covid quarantine from school and i was so confused when michonne left, Because it literally destroys her character, shed neve leave her fucking kids in this world to go look for a man who can handle himself , its rick fucking grimes, shes seen him do some impossible shit, your kids need you more. Daryl leaving rick and michonnes kids also makes zero since, hed die for those kids like they were his own, hed never leave them without his protection when he knows rick and michonne arent there, what if another fucking Negan comes around to kill everyone? Like some of the decisions they make literally makes no sense. These characters wouldn't of done this when they were in this primes and felt invincible (post prison, pre negan) but they would do it knowing the horrors of this world and having kids and shit?
Daryl was basically the leader after Rick and Michonne, and his leaving is basically letting any villain come around and do whatever he wants, sure Carol’s there, but she’s just one woman and she needed Daryl and others most of the time to help her protect other people
Agreed, finally somebody understands this. A.M.C has & will continue to milk this crap into the ground. Walking Dead needs new characters & direction now.
FTWD was honestly the only good spin-off, yeah it had it's downs but least it ended far better than the original and actual fan service, yes it was also inconsistent and season 8 was boring, there were only two great episodes. It felt more survival oriented than the original show and each season had a different theme and setting.
I truly understand and agree. Leaving your kids alone is horrible, let alone a ZOMBIE APOCALYPTIC world setting, I don’t care if it’s for your love, your children are your life. Ps I love TOWL it’s ending. I’m done with the TWD now, but I completely agree dude
@@justinpatton6996 I honestly think covid killed the revival of the walking dead because season 9 was fucking awesome in my opinion and then in season 10 the show felt soo empty, all the familiar background characters disappeared, which made the show feel so small. Like the episode where Alexandria was flooding, we saw like 8 people in Alexandria freaking out and all of them were in the main cast, what happened to all those background characters like the bald black guy ? I know its a weird nitpick but it made the show feel sooooo much smaller
People left after the glen death because of how it happened not because it happened. Killing a character but not revealing who until the next season premiere is wild. I know I only watched that premiere to see who negan killed.
"Killing a character but not revealing who until the next season premiere is wild." That's not what they did, at least not with Glenn. Glenn was only in the premiere, not the finale. You're thinking of Abraham.
@@chippdbanjo Noone died in the finale when they filmed that episode they didn't know who was gonna die, so both Abraham and Glenn died in the premiere, both were revealed in the same bullshit way if they wanted to do better they could have killed one of them in the finale and then Glenn in the premiere as a twist.
@@Diogo_7237 From a first person, we literally see the final moments (and passing) of Abraham. I wasn't critiquing them saying nobody dies in the finale, it was more the character, since the POV we see is Abraham, not Glenn. Glenn's death was handled well imo, Abraham's was the issue because of Glenn.
@@waynejohnson184 THe main rule of any tv show is not to give a shit about what the viewers want, Glenn was far from being the main favorite character the show would have gone to hell in season 7 and 8 with or without Glenn. The best tv shows in history were not influenced by viewers favorites, as long as it's a good well written story it doesn't matter. The real favorites are still alive and look at how bad the show is, Rick, Daryl, Carol, this Glenn argument is a huge bullshit, people just want to make nonsensical excuses for the show's downhill. If what keeps you watching something is a character, and not the story itself, then you don't like the story, you only like 1 character and that's stupid, people nowadays cry too much online about anything that doesn't fit their needs, it's not your show, you're not the writer, you don't get to tell what the people making it should do, movies and tv shows were much better before the internet.
I always found it funny just how similar Walking Dead & Game of Thrones really are. 1. Both created as an answer to their traditional genres respectively. Robert Kirkman said he always wanted to see what happened next after a zombie movie ends and Martin's work is basically the post-modern answer to Tolkien's setting. 2. Both found a niche audience. 3. Both picked up by a major network. 4. Both a crappy showrunners, yet still had great seasons. 5. Both began to decline halfway through. 6. Both began to dumb down the storyline and simplify the characters. 7. Both have spinoffs planned. (I'm much more interested in GOT'S Spinoffs) P.S. I also would like an animated series based off the comic that's more faithful. But yes, Kirkman would to be fully in charge and the spinoffs would need to be cancelled.
the show firing chandler riggs bc they didn’t wanna pay him adult salary only to then have to hire 3-4 adults to fill out the storylines in his place is peak stupid
could you imagine if carol's arc was instead given to carl like how it was in the books? like the lil guy just invading terminus and ending anyone all by himself. that would have been both badass and would actually continue the arc established on S3, while retroactively giving more sense to negan's speech about carl being a lil psycho. carol is cool and all but if her character did nothing in the books i wouldn't have been mad at her arc be given to someone else who did deserved it more.
Agreed. I quit watching at that point as well. I did finally finish the show last year but it never recaptured what made it compelling in the first place.
His death was so pointless. Carl might not have been the best character but he was slowly getting better near the end. His build up was getting better. He could have been set up to be the man to carry the torch after Rick,
@@austinclark5278 exactly! i don't blame Chandler because he started when he was young and i couldn't imagine myself in his position, but i think that made Carl more relatable.
I actually did fall off after Glenn, but it wasn't his death specifically. They gave him a fake out death, brought him back, then killed him in this brutal fashion, after we found out he was going to be a dad. It was just too much.
1. They fired Frank early on and it was both a crappy move and not smart. 2. The biggest problem is they wanted "shocker" moments ie - Dale, Andrea, Lorie etc.. deaths. They literally kill Andrea way early on and she is suppose to be (from my recollection) in Alexandria . Carl gets killed because "well it's the mid or end season finale.. we gotta do something crazy." Their entire decisions were based on charts and demographics; "We can't kill Daryl.. people will riot.." "We know the fans love these big moments.. who we gonna kill next?" "well they gotta get here.. even though this character is dead." They were so worried about keeping interest with these emotional / shocker moments they really screwed things over. I would be willing to bet if they didn't off characters left and right , then the most iconic death (Glenn) wouldn't have turned non comic fans off so much, especially since he had a "fake death" prior. The comics did well because they were well written and well thought out overall. AMC had great source material and decided to go so far off the rails and became needlessly greedy, they shot themselves in the foot. Had they stuck to the comics, I would bet anything the show woulda have MUCH better viewership toward the end.
I assume you haven't seen Dexter but it literally has two bad endings like they made the first one bad and then when they tried to fix it they made it even worse interestingly Dexter is also based on a book
I still can’t believe new bloods ending was somehow even far worse than season 8s ending. It’s actually unbelievable still too me😂😂it had to be done on purpose
New Blood was a even bigger kick to the nuts, because it had the advantage of building up to a new finale for years. Huge stakes too since we knew this would be the end where Dexter gets caught. The season was quite good but they really dropped the ball into the fkin abyss with that ending. The original showrunner returned for New Blood and he had a great ending in mind for the original series before he left, I don't know wtf happened.
I actually liked the ending (first one, second one i didnt see). After all the years its still so funny to me. Its like authors can either do generic boring happy ending and everyone would like it anyway, or they can actually do something unusual and interesting and everyone would just hate it because they cant fathom no generic happy ending but couldn't admit it. Outside of Breaking Bad i guess, i literally dont know a single show that didnt end with generic happy ending and fans liked it
@nerdError0XF look there is a bad ending and a good ending and there's a sad ending and happy ending I think you are misunderstanding those because Dexter neither had a sad or good ending they just dragged it after season 4 and I'm not saying the first 4 were flawless they definitely had issues but in S8 they were going literally nowhere like the first seasons were good because it was about Dexter as a person all the killers were connected to him in a mostly understandable way but after it its was just about him as a killer not an actual character and they just finished it on him being alive yoo they didn't even have the balls to kill him off just cause they were told they might need to do another season
Niegains is the most confusing self insert character - he has a random gaggle of goons who are sometimes in the hundreds and super well armed and sometimes just half a dozen guys with sharp sticks. He overpowers the main characters mostly due to their own incompetence and guns mysteriously becoming super rare. He often says super meta lines as if hes read the scripts for the season and knows what happens.
it feels like the show went from a show about surviving the zombie apocalpyse with three dimensional characters to a show where those same people are now caricatures with superhero like skills. TWD universe became a parody of itself
Glenn's death was the beginning of the end for me. When Rick was flying away on the helicopter after the bridge being blown up was the final episode I ever watched. I jumped back in and watched Here's Negan during the pandemic..but that was that.
a short from that episode convinced me to try after quitting in S8 and taking like six years off from the show maybe longer. I skipped to the end of S8, which was OK, but I'm glad I tried because S9, while wildly different, more sci-fi like in the devolution of their technology, was actually quite good. S10 was OK and finished off the momentum of the post-Rick era nicely, but kind of fizzes out with the Commonwealth as the budget really shows there... so S11 really misses the mark, which was idiotic as it should've ended with a bang for all the spinoffs, but hey this is AMC. S9 is definitely entertaining. TLDR: I went back and watched S9-11 after quitting in S8. While the new non-Rick show is not nearly as good as S1-4, it has its merits, especially if you're out of things to watch. S9 is especially good, even after Rick's solid first three eipsodes.
@@drlca6601I personally kinda like non rick seasons especially season 9 but I always felt that something is missing and seasons 9-11 would be much better with rick
Yup, been vpning for years now. With the recent Helldivers situation too, I have no idea how a company of their size can't have licensing figured out in 2024 💀
@@KD-Lewis 5 months after it officially came out, people have been spoiled to hell and back by now and probably seen clips all over the internet of it. Whats the point in a schedule like that, and what is their excuse for it in a digital age?
I disagree on the thrones imploding suddenly thing. It had cracks that formed around the midway point but managed to keep some quality till later on but the last season was SOOOO bad people forget the issues with seasons 4-7. Ill never forgive the dorne disgrace or the lack of lady stoneheart and feagon
I think of a lot of the changes GoT made in the same way I think of a lot of the changes TWD made - it's sort of a threshold. TWD, for example, immediately dabbled with the CDC and the origins of the virus - something that was a huge no-no with the overall themes of the comic. But because the big picture was still really strong, you can excuse it. Same for GoT, they removed A LOT of the magic and mysticism right from the get-go (like 99% of the Stark-warg storyline is removed outright), but again, because the rest of the story was super strong, you can excuse it. But with both shows, like I mentioned in the video, once they break the illusion, you start to look back and notice a lot more things that you would've previously excused, like the CDC, like Terminus, like the Stark wolves, like Lady Stoneheart, like John being dumbed down etc etc. Then again, obviously this is all just based on vibes, so that's just how I see it. For me, GoT burned their goodwill a lot faster than TWD.
@@Koroto I definitely see what you're saying, twd definitely went against the source in bigger ways earlier and got had a bigger and more sudden turn from most fans perspective. Ive just always thought people have rosed tinted glasses for the moddle seasons of thrones. It was still good but definitely already on a decline, but the last season fully fell off a cliff so it takes most of the heat when it comes to the issues. I completely agree with the overall point i just think there was a slow decent before the big drop, but that doesn't really change the end outcome😂
@@Koroto i think both shows made the same kind of mistakes but twd started its downhill slide earlier and there was never really the big drop off, so there isnt as much of a moment fans turned and people are more likely to forget the flaws before that big drop at the last season because of it is more what i was trying to say
S5 was the start of the downfall. THE dorne plot, Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltens and on top George himself coming out say he would Never do something that stupid.
@TheReelHeel Yep. Exactly what I thought, too. S7E2 and onwards was a steeeep drop-off. Like, almost historically so.. Btw, love the profile name 👍🏻🤷🏻♂️
@@TheReelHeel oh agreed... S9 is more like a scifi/age of empires mix, which is cool, but it's nowhere near the tone and quality of the first six, 1-4 especially. Even those seasons had terrible bouts of unevenness after S3x04. S2B is by far my favourite. S9 (post-Rick) and most of S10 are almost a different animal entirely. Here's Negan is one of the top episodes of the show, but that's because it's so similar in tone to the first few seasons, with the beginning of the outbreak and all. Unfortunately, in S11 the show completely falls apart after the Washington storyline. The Reapers were horrible enemies lmao. The Commonwealth was awful as well. Funnily enough, I would still rate S11 higher than the awful dumpster fire that was S7-8 (minus 7x01.) I haven't seen RIck's new show yet, but I hope it's decent.
I think the only hope for the Walking Dead IP or, Universe (TV included) is: - a comic 1-1 animated adaptation - a Telltale Walking Dead adaptation - or, a separate story with new characters and a different location
At this point, I don’t think a new story/setting would work. Unless it was GOOD GOOD. It’s automatically gonna have a bias on it by general audiences by having The Walking Dead sticker attached to it. Also the fact that they tried this with Fear but it wasn’t pulling the numbers they wanted so they tied it into the main show. Comic accurate versions of an adaptation of the games would be good but like stated in the video, Kirkman would need full creative control for it to work properly, which is doable, but AMC is going to put up a big fight and it’s likely years away from being close to happening
1-1 comic adaptation but keep the original actors. i would LOVE to see jdm act out comic negan or andrew doing the “we are not the walking dead” speech
These 3 would be great. In fact, I'd say the Daryl show is that separate story/characters cuz it's just him (and now Carol). A comic adaptation and telltale adaptation would be incredible
I dropped off after the end of the main show. All these years and seasons and it ends with Daryl riding off into the sunset with no major plot points resolved so they might as well have just have a giant anvil fall on the main cast after they reached Alexandria
No one talks about how hard is to following the story because every episode new characters show up, and the old group split up, of course you cant follow the story.
I just love how Jadis is, but when she got bit, It's as if those old RPGs where she suddenly sat down and just start monologuing. It's so surreal and got me laughing
36:25 "special Walkers in Europe" is so funny on too many levels. It is like zombie virus deliberately engineered apocalupse around US and put better walkers in the different continent so US survivors can have their post apo expansion pack. They took a comic trying to be realistic and dramatic story about people trying to survive in zombie apocalypse and turned it into bloody MMO
The last episode of the ones who live was the final nail in the coffin for me. The zombies is the only unrealistic thing i want in a zombie show. Michonne and Rick alone taking down a whole military base is more unrealistic than the zombies.
When there is no completely written story and you make it up as you go along. And you also want to milk it forever, then the quality will drop. My interest dropped after negan was captured. We skip ahead years without a decent explanation and All of a sudden everything happened offscreen. But still, I had to watch it, because I already invested so much time. I'm happy it finally ended
The “special” walker thing also kinda goes to show that the writers or execs or whoever is really big on that decision kinda misses the point of the source material. The zombies are entirely superfluous. They’re just a mechanism for the story to happen and a force of nature that the characters have to deal with
10:23 - I’ve never been in a firefight, but I assume shooting a zombie, that is moving slowly, straight at you is significantly easier than shooting an enemy soldier, who is dodging and taking cover, and also shooting at you. The stress of that doesn’t give you nearly as much time to calmly take aim. Otherwise, I think you made some good points in this video.
Gimple could barely keep up the quality even when he only had the main TWD to play with. Why anyone thought he could stick the landing with this 5-year prolonged series finale is beyond me
So I know that the ones who live could have definitely done the last episodes better because they did feel rushed, but I genuinely think that that side series explored marital problems and Rick and Michonne's dynamic better than anything in the entire walking Dead saga ever. I legitimately think, that ever since the show came out of its prime, that side series is the best thing that has come out since then. I love that side series
They did good enough with that mini-series that I watched it after being completely checked-out of TWD universe for years and was, overall, satisfied with the ending. Like okay. Some of the people I care about found some happiness and we can assume that everyone will come back together again, eventually from Carol's blurb on the walkie-talkie. The Daryl show was also surprisingly touching and I'll definitely check out the second season of that. I'll never go back and watch TWD seasons that I missed and I'm not gonna watch Dead City, and Fear ended at the dam as far as I'm concerned. But I was happy to see Rick, Michonne, and their little family together.
The season 6 Glenn dumpster debacle was the first big moment that took me out of enjoying the show; toying with the audience in place of compelling writing. What outright killed the magic for me, was how season 6 episode 8 ended with teasing how Carl draws walkers attention during 'no way out'. Ending the episode on that cliffhanger, only to start the next episode pretending it never happened was just awful. I lost all respect and confidence in the show. But I kept watching, in naive hope that they wouldn't make the same mistakes with Negan. Well......
As much as I love the TWD franchise I would say that by TWD season 10 they were milking a cow that was practically out of milk because you had so many show exclusive characters and characters that had already died in the book at that point
I dropped out due to the Negan arc, but I never got all the kvetching about Glen. The Negan arc was simply repetitive and tedious, and Negan shouldn't have even been able to move given the weight of the huge amount of plot armor he was wrapped in. I just got tired of waiting for something meaningful to happen rather than just another episode ending in some sort of absurd, violence at the hands of Negan.
I just loved the whole atmosphere of the show around Daryl's brother presence and the time Eugenes group allied with Rick. The brother added such a rich uncertainty of a risky element you never knew where was going, and he was also that stereotypical dumb selfish army guy you expect to see, just loved his character and idk why
I left when rick "died" when blowing up the bridge, the show felt weird for a moment at that point and i thought that's a good moment to drop the show, i watched like one episode of next season and decided that that's not it anymore, but i did rewatch like first 4/5 seasons 3 times
where are you guys from? im curiohs because as a canadian i never have these issues being right next to america, im wondering what countries get effected by this lol
@@keltongillanders5736no i mean like people who didn't a certain show , why would they be watching a video analysing of downfall and story aspects of a show they didn't watch
personally i didn't watch season's 10 and 11, but i picked the show back up for rick and michonne given it was the one plotpoint i cared about, i liked it more than.. most people seem to.. because it was, whilst not perfect and obviously contrived, giving me everything i really wanted out of the tv universe now, an ending, and i feel, even if ik they're gonna continue this on for like 5 more spinoffs atleast, i got an ending with rick seeing his kids again. and i'm fine with that as an ending.
I think your opinions are spot on. I am a huge TWD fan. Watched every show, read all the comics, played all the games, even made the mistake of pre-ordering all of the bad ones. It is such a shame that they tanked this series because it was, and could've remained, the best show on television. I have never been so invested, impressed, and disappointed by the same thing.
I really enjoy your perspective, it saves me sooo much time from even being curious about whatever they made after... I dropped off at the end of the main show, I'm not even 100% I watch all of it, I might have missed things somewhere along the middle. I gave them chances to do something with this main story they had been making for years. But, even if I didn't feel it was as bad as dummies and dragons, I mean, Game of Thrones, I still felt it was pretty much meaningless and had little to no satisfaction. So, I wasn't even paying attention anymore to whatever they were doing, enough is enough, even my addiction for audiovisual fiction has a limit. So, many thanks to you for putting this one up together, I can safely keep developing my skills to discard the things I know lead nowhere. Maybe an anime adaptation could be interesting, I do agree on that as well! 😁
The first four episodes of the ones who live were phenomenal. There’s a few issues of course but I think overall they are incredibly solid episodes. Then five and six drove off a cliff with so many stupid plot contrivances, rushed conclusions and unsatisfying story telling. I personally really enjoyed season 10 and 11. Even though I do agree with the criticism of the characters perhaps being too invincible. On one hand, they’ve been through so much it makes sense that they are experienced enough to get out of most situations but at the same time they do feel far too covered in plot armor at times. I thought S11 was a great conclusion to the series and the way it ended, while open ended, left off on a hopeful, philosophical positive uplifting note with the whole “were the ones who live” monologue. It just really resonated with me. After the ones who live though, I think I’m done with this franchise. It’s meant a lot to me and it helped me through a lot of horrible times in my life. But I think at this point I’m just done. The universe will never really have a satisfying conclusion with the way it’s going and I am personally OK with just seeing season 11 as the ending with the ones who lives being a mostly good epilogue even with those last two episodes being really stupid.
Couldn't agree more with u regarding The ones who live. Jadis should've been more of a threat, beale should've been more of a threat and you cut out the cheesy champy dialogue and boom, easy 8 or 9/10 for each episode.
@@rhadpenguin 6 episodes isn’t enough run time for what they wanted to achieve. It should’ve been 8 to 12 episodes imo. And dedicated at least 3 episodes to taking down the CRM and with more help than just rick and michonne.
@@Sev3617 absolutely agree that 8 episodes could've done it. You flesh out the first episode and break it apart by giving more context to what Rick was up too after being taken by the CRM. Then take the time to close the story with more detail and not rush to a close in a single ep.
I really hated how the series built up the CRM to be some sort of elite military force only to have them be a complete paper tiger. But in general I don't think most writers know how to depict a professional military force so that is hardly a problem that is unique to TWD. Pretty often the depiction becomes a pretty cartoonish distortion of how the writers think a military force acts.
what bothers me most about TOWL is the fact that this had SOOOOOO MUCH potential and the first episode completely and flawlessly showed that up until the point Okafor was killed. then i was like "how are they going to recover from building up this character to be a badass surviving so long and just dying like that"
When I saw that last episode, I was like after all those years of building up the CRM they ended it like that? They should have let Rick join the CRM and keep it going.
Totally agree about the action feeling weightless as the show progressed to later seasons. You felt so much weight when the farm was attacked, but in that season 8 episode where Hilltop is attacked (Do not send us Astray episode) the whole battle felt...weightless and totally forgettable.
I’ve watched most of the series several times over(up until season 7) and continued watching them release on tv with my family but just kind of puttered out just before the series final, haven’t gone back because I felt the passion, the story, characters, and smaller plot lines between them seemed uninspired and unnecessary. Which sucks because it started so strong, the flow of the seasons and the struggle of understanding and empathizing with both points of view kept us all captivated. By the end it just felt redundant in a sense. The risk of taking a big step forward kept them in this phase of renewing the same threads with new faces after killing too many for shock value
I just want to do some TWD positivity. The Walking Dead tabletop roleplaying game by Free League Publishing is actually amazing and if you like the idea of TWD in Dungeons and Dragons form, it's absolutely worth checking out.
TWD's story feels likes it's going backwards in time. I mean, for 5 or 6 seasons it really had an apocalytic atmosphere, as we only follow 'our' group which occasionally encounters friends/foes, and then... bam! Dozens of 'communities' - some very sophisticated, like Commonwealth or CRM - emerge here and there like mushrooms. That feels completely unrealistic. The show 's time-line should have been made the other way around
I love that you mentioned the scale (spectacle) in this video, because that was my biggest problem with seasons 7-8. If the Saviors seemingly have infinite people, then why do I care about any of these battles? This is something early Game of Thrones did fantastically well. They gave us an incredible sense of scale. Not just army sizes, but geography (especially with that intro), and money, and time limitations for each faction. Meanwhile, every conflict of TWD completely failed to even give us the relative geographies of the factions, from the Prison/Woodbury, to the Saviors, to the Whisperers, even to the Commonwealth. Ultimately, as a viewer I found it more thrilling watching a bunch of Game of Thrones lords having a conversation around a map with figurines on it than any watching any 3 Savior battles, because at least with the GoT dialogue scenes I was connected to the stakes. Meanwhile, watching a whole episode of Aaron and Eric shooting random Saviors as if I were watching a kid mash his little green Army Men together just felt like useless spectacle.
Oh damn just based on that title I do not agree in the slightest. Thrones for me was monumentally more disappointing. The ending of Thrones make it hard to rewatch even the good stuff. That being said I love your videos and can’t wait to hear your take!
Idk, I feel the same exact way about both. Recently rewatched GoT, still absolutely loved the first seasons despite the horrific ending. I got so locked in that I finally even went through all the extra lore books 😅 Same with TWD - could rewatch the first seasons on loop forever, but as soon as I get to season 7ish, I start rolling my eyes more and more 😬
@@Koroto that’s totally fair - I think my tolerance for BS is stronger for sure. For me the difference is where as the characters in TWD became massive Flanderizations by the end they at least retained that. Dany flipping at the end felt to me like a complete departure from who she was. Maybe that’s why I feel that way. Here’s hoping Kirkman gets his wish and we get an animated adaption in 20 years!
@@JosephMichael Nah the first two seasons of TWD had some of the best dialogue in a show so consistent and tastefully written. Then the writer who made it all happen got fired around season 2 after that they started using character deaths as fuel to keep the show going. And the cracks started to show in season 5. And the charm of the show was completely gone by s7 20 hour long episodes of vapid writing somehow sold by the likes of Andrew Lincoln, Norman and jeffrey dean morgan.
@@blakan1478 oh no yeah the quality dropped no denying that. I stand by most things Koroto brings up in his retrospectives like bottle eps and what not. My point was more so for me personally GoT was more egregious.
Unfortunately, I don´t know the comics. My problems began in TWD Negan Arc, which took forever and ever and ever. It didnt´t feel like zombie apocalypse surviving anymore, just like a bad soap opera with more drama, dumb character decision and even more filler crap just to fill somehow the episode. Season 10 & 11 I remember watching way later on speed 1.5, because there was SO much unnecessary filler stuff in these episodes wich neither add nor contribute to the overall story. You could literally cut these out and have like half of the season with somehow a dense story. Also poor Daryl, Maggie and Negan : Never being allowed to have something more going on in story arc as the same old song seasons ago :(
I decided to rewatch it since it ended. I originally dropped it on season 3, since that’s what was out at the time. So far i’m on season 10 and it is an absolute dredge to get through it. You could tell how desperate they were for views, showing baited intros and cliffhangers that spoiled too much. The one episode that really stuck with me was Sasha’s death. They show her die at the beginning and spend the entirety of it explaining why it happened, trying to do a fake out, all the while jumping back and forth from the past to the present. The script was mind numbing and there were plenty of times it could’ve been inspirational or horrifying. An example would be right before Shiva’s death, Ezekiel states he is no king and is just a man. It was already stated many of the citizens of the kingdom have read through their library. Any one of them could’ve cheered him up by saying “The first step to being a great king is not by believing he is above anyone, but that he is just a man”. Like I said earlier i’m on season 10 and I plan on dropping it again. It’s hard even playing it as background noise.
I think most current writers have zero real world experience with anything. That's why characters are written to be basically invincible to comedic levels.
well, since korotos asked... I did fall off after the Glen/Negan thing. I remember watching the season 7 premier on a common area TV in my friend's dorm, and we both sat there for hours afterwards talking about how annoyed we were with how the scene played out. neither of us were comic-readers, but like most people at the time, we knew what was _supposedly_ about to happen. it felt really cruel to tease something that everyone suspected was going to happen, then give people false hope that the writers actually had the guts to change the source material in an interesting way, then tear that intrigue away. Abraham was a cool character! and I think his death would've still been impactful on its own. but... we were especially annoyed that it was Daryl's fault. I'm all for characters doing dumb stuff that ends up having disastrous consequences, especially if you as a viewer can understand why they did what they did. but in TWD's case with Glen's death, it felt like the writers used the fact that Daryl was a fan-favorite to wipe their hands clean of having the scene play out the way it did. I think we floated the idea of watching it week-to-week, but the next week we were still annoyed, then the next week, and the next... eventually we just decided to drop the show. although to be fair, we would've had to reserve one of the common area TVs every week since that was the only way we could watch cable, which was kind of a headache lmao but anyhow, that's just my perspective. I mostly watch the AoT videos, but this was a really interesting analysis! makes me want to relieve the good ol' early days of TWD with the retrospective series. who knows, maybe I'll end up picking up the show where I left off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Imagine adapting a story by not adapting it and instead adapting something your cousin Jimmothy put together after reading the original through the bottom of a beer glass and on a budget of $0.25 (the rest of the budge is reserved for Walker-makeup and explosives).
My wife was a devout co watcher of this with me, I mean every episode every week we watched it eagerly until the governor hit the prison with the tank. Then she started saying it was dog water and bs. I kept on hoping it was going to recover as she completely pulled out in frustration. That was ten years ago now...and I admit she was right in the end 😂
So I wouldn’t say it was as disappointing as game of thrones considering the story at least ended up where I wanted it to conceptually. Rick essentially saves the world and comes full circle finding his family. My problem however is the execution to get to that was awful. Game of thrones failed in execution and the final result as well imo
his family is carl , carl was his drive , and what made his character , andrew lincoln said himself he feels "the only way for rick's story to end , is for rick to die and carl to take his place" (paraphrased btw) , even though he made new connections , carl is the center of his world , the writing was all around horrible and lacked commitment and didn't care about the characters anymore , just about meaningless spectacle , and they just killed off or wrote off any character that had meaning (other than a couple) and judith is shane's daughter but sure he accepted her as his own , he doesn't even know rj exists / has never met him , and michonne is just michonne , doesn't compare to carl just my thoughts , i'd say walking dead was far more disappointing , but i guess it was less of a blow because of how it was overtime
Yes . . . like fireman were disrespected by Halloween . . . All the problems with the actual show, and yours is the most pathetic way to look at it. Fuck off and grow up
10:37 Playing devils advocate for this point; walkers aren’t shooting back at you so there is less stress and you can fire more accurately, assuming you’re desensitized to walkers at this point. You never really get used to getting shot at unless you’re in a warzone for a long while, hence the stormtrooper aim.
The biggest problem I have with TWD is the season finale wasn’t really a finale. It was a set up episode for all the spin offs. AMC absolutely milked TWD for every penny they could with no care to quality.
Everyone says this, but how exactly? Daryl, Negan, Maggie, and the Commonwealth, got satisfying conclusions, and of course TOWL was teased in what was essentially a post-credits scene. 11x24 acted more as a finale than a "setup episode."
This is definitely annoying but not one of their worst sins in handling TWD imo
@@TheFerg714 I think if the final shot of the show (besides rick) wasn't Daryl leaving to start a new adventure, especially one we were promised we'd see, I'd agree with you here. The final two scenes (now including Rick) are pure setup, and that's the final taste they left in everyone's mouth on the mothership show. Still a great episode just... annoying
@@scottsspot But Daryl wasn't "starting a new adventure" in that scene. He was simply going on a run to recruit people, which was honestly the perfect ending for him.
@@TheFerg714 what are the context clues to support that? Because if that's what they were going for it was terribly done. You dont make a "run" feel as "final" as him riding off into the sunset. I mean right before, Maggie is telling him we need to expand and see the world. It felt 110% like a sendoff
Carl dying was what killed the whole show. Though i do agree the problems were adding up over time. But it was carls death that broke the camels back. God why did they do that lol
Absolutely, I've said it a million times but comic book Carl is my favorite TWD character period, and the show butchered all his big moments and then killed him before the whisperer arc which imo has some of his most interested and awesome moments
Yup lol when Carl died my favorite comic moments i was hoping for died with him
If I remember correctly but I could be wrong, I wanna say the actor playing Carl wanted to go back amd focus on school or something like that
@@chocolatefudgebrowni3225 that was a rumor, he literally bought a house closer to set and was fired shortly after. Nothing to do with school
That's when I stopped watching
They killed Chandler Riggs off because he was older and they would have to pay him as an adult and not a child actor anymore. The man purchased a house in Atlanta. Same shit Happened to Beth
Emily Kinney was 27 or 28 when she was first cast
@Gamerjman19 I'm saying Emily had bought a house In Atlanta right before she was killed off
@@ichigokurosaki1081 oh my bad, I think I remember that now
Chandler wanted to go to college. He just changed his mind to late for the script to be fixed and him to be kept in the show.
@@kyleellis1825
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In the final analysis: Frank Darabont should've never been fired.
Thank you.
for real.
Thank you so much for writing "should've", not "should of" like all the illiterates on the internet would've done. 😃👍
@@SupremeGreatGrandmaster not all of us are good at grammar, you don't have to be like that.
@@AbrasiousProductions It was a compliment! I was praising the man for his correct spelling.
I love that you touched on how deep we actually are into the apocalypse by the end of the show. When they decided to have a time skip after Andrew Lincoln's departure of like what was it 5 years? That's basically when I stopped watching. There were plenty of other reasons and arguably the show got better once the showrunners changed.
Unfortunately they really thought they could just skip ahead years to decades and act like nothing changed. To act as if there could still be groups of completely innocent and not hardened people around 10 years after the entire world collapsed.
Negan was in isolation for 5 years with 0 pyscho consequence, very unrealistic
@@IIIISai Didn't Rick talk to him like once a week with news and stuff. Also couple of others did too probably.
@@LordKeram maybe but he had 24hrs to himself, times that by 1700 days
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Y’all are forgetting how he befriended Judith, meaning I assume she brought him books etc, stuff to do that kept him busy. Rick stopped by, so did Michonne, so did Carol, and I guarantee Daryl did a few times as well.
That’s one of the things about the show I’m not upset about, Negan’s state of mind. You wouldn’t go literally crazy when you have interactions with people weekly.
My brother was put in isolation/solitary for 8mos while in prison.
He said as long as he could pray, read the Bible and other books, and exercise in his cell, he was fine.
Not seeing people bothered him somewhat, but not as much as you’d think.
Ppl being thrown into solitary as POW’s is a completely diff story in the real world. It’s much more terrible than solitary in prison.
Negan wasn’t an actual psychopath or sociopath before they threw him in there ya know. My point is, ppl who are mentally ill are usually ALREADY that way before put into confinement under fairly decent & humane conditions 🤷🏼♀️
@@jacks1bonnielass thats a beautiful story and breakdown fair enough, I guess what I wanted was some type of adjustment, it felt too quick, the shows timeskip also never made us feel the true solitary, fair enough tho, how big was your brothers cell btw
I dropped off for Rick's "final" episode. I was always an avid believer of this being Rick's story, so it should end with Rick (like the comic did), or pass the torch to Carl. Seeing as it did neither, I decided to make Rick's last episode my own finale to the series. Ngl it was very depressing seeing the show's decay in real time. I went from watching this series with my family as a weekly occurrence as a kid, speculating and talking about future events with my friends in high school, to sitting alone in my college dorm half paying attention and just scrolling through my phone as I was given bottle episode after bottle episode post Negan. I was definitely one of the last people in my community that stuck with that show, and even I couldn't escape from that indifference feeling leading up to Rick's final episode :/. I think my dad fell off around Alexandria, the rest of my family actually did fall off post Glenn's death, and most of my friends stopped watching during All Out War.
Aw
This describes me a lot too, i was 7 when the show started then i watched the last few episodes in my college dorm, my entire family watched till Glenn died, then it was only me till the end, i still like TWD, but nothing can beat those early days.
Thats when I was done to, but I felt the Show ended after Negan. It just wasnt about Surviving Zombies anymore. Once Zombies where no longer a real threat, it just wasnt the same Show.
I feel that pain, too. This was an amazing series in its prime.
I wish I'd done what you did, watching TWD without rick just felt pointless
Don’t forget the fact it’s apocalypse and everyone has infinite ammunition
Bruh. And you never seee them make their own ammunition or mine the stuff needed for gunpowder.
You can make somekind diy gunpowder with urea and ash ( look up how confederates, rebels etc did that during Us civil war) @@FrancisBurns
Well to be fair, this is America. We've got enough guns and ammo for several generations lol
@@123LORDOFHELL and i think military has stockpiles of ammo. People would eventually raid every place
They legit hardly used guns in season 9 cuz they got set back and started using bows n shit again and before that they were using eugenes method for making bullets
The saviors multiplying killed me
Fr. I think that issue started once the got to Alexandria and only got worse once they introduced the other communities and the saviors.
You watch a community get absolutely massacred with a significant number of people dying and then suddenly a bunch more survivors just kinda appear and we’re supposedly always there.
I understand that that kind of thing is mostly due to logistic and budgetary restrictions on TV shows, but it still totally brings me out of the show. Completely eliminates the stakes and connect the viewer has with these groups.
The worst offense was the Commonwealth supposedly having a 50k+ population, yet we only ever saw maybe 20-30 people on screen at any given time. Also they reused that one set location to death. Didn’t feel immersive or real
I read that the lack of crowds for the commonwealth was due to Covid restrictions. Once restrictions were lifted could they then have bigger crowd scenes.
I kinda stopped liking the show after season 5 finale but kept watching until the saviors get introduced along with the hilltop and kingdom all the sudden multiple cities of people just appear outta nowhere
Yea I agree that was so dumb. First Rick has no issues dealing with the saviors, then all of a sudden there's thousands of them in the area and Rick is hopelessly out numbered? Yea right lol
Such a dumb way to handle things
@@wesleybutler1868 They reused a ton of sets for different locations and some "new" locations were just old locations filmed from a different angle. Raleigh Studios is one of these locations, among many others. The Saviors base was the other end of the same building as the prison from S3. The junkyard was located just ~100 yards away from the Saviors base and the walle xpansion that Abraham oversaw construction of is located right next to the prison. Father Gabriel's church is located just on the other side of the woods to the east of Raleigh Studios.
The funeral home where Daryl and Beth take refuge is right behind Alexandria, which is located right next to Woodbury.
Pylant Street, which is located right behind/west of Alexandria, was used for multiple locations, including "The Pudding House" where Carl finds a can of chocolate pudding after going out on his own while Rick is recovering in another house. The site where the survivors scatter after the prison has been destroyed is here as well and the first "Terminus" signs were located on the railroad just north of this street. These railroad tracks that the survivors follow in S4 pass right between Woodbury and Alexandria. They later used the railroad tracks behind Raleigh Studios for some of these shots as well.
Crook Road is another real-world location that was used thoroughly throughout many seasons for different fictional locations. The intersection of Crook Road/Chestlehurst Road was used both in S4E4 (Rick and Carol are on a supply run) and S5E2 (Daryl and Carol find a car while out looking for water). In S5E6, Carol is driving back from her hideout and sees the prison on fire. This exact same spot was used earlier in S4E16 when Rick bites into Joe's jugular vein, killing him. A little bit further south, in S5E6, you can see it in the driving shot of Carol heading back to the prison. This exact same spot was used in S2E10 when Rick throws Randall into the back of the car. A little further south of this location is where Rick is driving back to the prison after splitting up with Carol in S4E4. Andrea and Shane have a sex scene on this road in S2E6 and Merle and Michonne drive on this road in S3E15.
Crook Road was extensively throughout the whole run of the show.
The location where Rick meets with the Governor in S3E13 is located on the right side of the road where Rick & Glenn are driving to find Hershel in S2E8. The building on the other side of the road (opposite the Governor/Rick meeting location) is where Michonne scavenges aspirin Andrea in S3E1.
Park Road was also used for two different locations, just a few yards apart. In S2E10 when Rick and Shane start fighting when dropping off Randall, and in S4E15 when Glenn sees the message written by Maggie on a Terminus sign. These two locations are just three buildings apart.
Dropped off because Carl died, it wasn't even me liking the character or the actor, he was okay. His characterization was honestly mostly bad, probably a writing issue. But all that's irrelevant, Carl was the center of the show, without him, Rick doesn't work as a character. Rick doing everything for his Son is the central point of his character, its why you can watch Rick go and do absoultely unhinged fucked up things, and still end up rooting for him, without that element to his character, Rick is just some crazy no stakes action hero. They spent so long building up that bond between him and Carl that without it the show itself died to me, bad quality of s7 and s8 didn't help but at that moment it all just sorta became white noise to me, the characters just became actors, the ongoing story just became a script, and the illusion of the world being real was shattered, and this wasn't even for a character I even particularly liked. Just one of the worst writing decisions ever made in the history of Television really.
It didn’t drop off because Carl died
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When negan started crying and got cut i almost dropped the shoe
Yep agreed. You know I hated Glens death, but i could accept his death a lot more then Carls surprisingly simply based off what you said.
Carl was also being set up as the man to carry the torch After Rick. Even in the Comics Carl lives on. Lots of build up for Carl snd it was ALL wasted…. The way they killed him off was lazy as fuck. I still liked season 8 to a degree but his death nearly ruined it for me.
This. Carls death did it for me. He was finally made to be not annoying and they’re like epp time to go bc it will subvert expectations!!! Glens death we knew was coming. Carl? Why.
CORAL!!!! Noooooo!!!
Seeing the 50cal shooting a jeep and pinging off of it is WILD. That's not plot armor, that's a plot FORCEFIELD.
Not even shattering or going thru the windshield is hilarious.
For the longest time I thought I had stopped watching after Glenn. After re-watching the whole show, in order to see the seasons I hadn't, I had apparently watched about half of season 8. I just did not remember any of it.
U soft af lmao, but s7 quality is garbage anyways
i stopped after Negans defeat... i remember everyone at my job at the time coming in every week hooked on the show. I loved Negan belittling Rick then the old grimmy Rick coming out. Loved all the Savior chars too... once he beat all of them I felt like it was a perfect ending to the show. Next season I kindof fell back more and more also changed jobs so maybe thats it. I just not a fan of shows that go on forever. Thats why i was a fan of all those HBO shows like The Wire and stuff because it was long but not long
Problem is they didn't replace any of those who died with interesting characters. I can remember most of the deaths/characters in the first bunch of seasons. Everyone new after that sucked. For example Tara who was the sole survivor from her town joins the group that killed them... That's a gold mine of interesting development but no they just sideline her until we don't care anymore.
@@zebwiz1900a lot of the female characters got pretty one dimensional over time as well. Sasha, Tara, Maggie, Rosita, Michonne (mostly). Felt like Carol was the only female character who’s story actually mattered to the plot and was constantly developing
@@tuelzalt it got better after that. S9 was good. S10 was OK, but S11 was atrocious lmao.
This is why shanes actor jon bernthal stopped watching lmao
He is literally me
Bernthal said that? Lol
Just spreading fake news now are we
@@gangg1762when lol
@@andrewgarfield9898 I think on Joe Rogan's podcast. Rogan said he stopped watching and Bernthal said "I did too "
For me personally, the show was far more interesting when the main threat was the Zombies. The show benefited from having very few people in it because it made the group feel like it was them vs the world, with very little hope of finding other people to help them survive.
As soon as the show started focusing more on the human vs human conflict, and introduced the many different towns and communities, it just lost what made it special.
It became yet another human vs human show, with a bit of a zombie apocalypse sprinkled in.
Don't get me wrong, when human vs human conflict was first brought into the show in season 3 and early season 4, it was a really interesting perspective to see how our characters would handle that, as we had never seen things from that perspective really up to that point.
But as soon as the show focused almost purely on human vs human, for season after season after season, TWD just became unwatchable for me.
I dropped off after Negan was defeated, but well before then I was losing interest.
Retrospectively, I actally now think that the best place to end the series would have been when the group gets to Alexandria.
The human V human conflicts in the earlier seasons worked because of the scale, the sizes of the groups made sense. When they groups lost even a few people it was felt by their communities, it's actually a loss because it's the apocalypse and there's so few people.
The savior seasons onward didn't care about the scale of the groups, just like what he said in this video. No matter how many people died it didn't seem to matter at all, because in the next episode or scene all those people would be replenished plus some lol. It was so poorly done season 7 onward
Except the human versus human conflict was the entire point of TWD series, the novels. The major theme being that even when humanity should become united against a common threat that human nature still makes us see other people as enemies.
Absolutely.. 👍🏻👍🏻 kinda funny you mentioned that they could've finished the show once Rick's group arrives at Alexandria.. because Kirkman actually had thought about that. He said he was really thinking about ending the comic once Rick and Co arrived at Alexandria.
I mean living in zombie world for a long time eventually they aren’t the main threat just annoyance that humans can use as a tool to help raid other communities.
The walking dead would have been a beautiful ending once the group arrives to Alexandria, I really respect that opinion.
The fucking spinoffs make zero since, I binged the walking dead during covid quarantine from school and i was so confused when michonne left, Because it literally destroys her character, shed neve leave her fucking kids in this world to go look for a man who can handle himself , its rick fucking grimes, shes seen him do some impossible shit, your kids need you more. Daryl leaving rick and michonnes kids also makes zero since, hed die for those kids like they were his own, hed never leave them without his protection when he knows rick and michonne arent there, what if another fucking Negan comes around to kill everyone? Like some of the decisions they make literally makes no sense. These characters wouldn't of done this when they were in this primes and felt invincible (post prison, pre negan) but they would do it knowing the horrors of this world and having kids and shit?
Daryl was basically the leader after Rick and Michonne, and his leaving is basically letting any villain come around and do whatever he wants, sure Carol’s there, but she’s just one woman and she needed Daryl and others most of the time to help her protect other people
Agreed, finally somebody understands this. A.M.C has & will continue to milk this crap into the ground. Walking Dead needs new characters & direction now.
FTWD was honestly the only good spin-off, yeah it had it's downs but least it ended far better than the original and actual fan service, yes it was also inconsistent and season 8 was boring, there were only two great episodes. It felt more survival oriented than the original show and each season had a different theme and setting.
I truly understand and agree. Leaving your kids alone is horrible, let alone a ZOMBIE APOCALYPTIC world setting, I don’t care if it’s for your love, your children are your life. Ps I love TOWL it’s ending. I’m done with the TWD now, but I completely agree dude
@@justinpatton6996 I honestly think covid killed the revival of the walking dead because season 9 was fucking awesome in my opinion and then in season 10 the show felt soo empty, all the familiar background characters disappeared, which made the show feel so small. Like the episode where Alexandria was flooding, we saw like 8 people in Alexandria freaking out and all of them were in the main cast, what happened to all those background characters like the bald black guy ? I know its a weird nitpick but it made the show feel sooooo much smaller
This show felt less like a show and more like a video game campaign now that i think about it
People left after the glen death because of how it happened not because it happened. Killing a character but not revealing who until the next season premiere is wild. I know I only watched that premiere to see who negan killed.
"Killing a character but not revealing who until the next season premiere is wild."
That's not what they did, at least not with Glenn.
Glenn was only in the premiere, not the finale.
You're thinking of Abraham.
@@chippdbanjo Noone died in the finale when they filmed that episode they didn't know who was gonna die, so both Abraham and Glenn died in the premiere, both were revealed in the same bullshit way if they wanted to do better they could have killed one of them in the finale and then Glenn in the premiere as a twist.
@@Diogo_7237 From a first person, we literally see the final moments (and passing) of Abraham.
I wasn't critiquing them saying nobody dies in the finale, it was more the character, since the POV we see is Abraham, not Glenn.
Glenn's death was handled well imo, Abraham's was the issue because of Glenn.
Na thats not why, the quality literally DROPS after s7 premiere, glenn stans mean nothing
@@waynejohnson184 THe main rule of any tv show is not to give a shit about what the viewers want, Glenn was far from being the main favorite character the show would have gone to hell in season 7 and 8 with or without Glenn. The best tv shows in history were not influenced by viewers favorites, as long as it's a good well written story it doesn't matter. The real favorites are still alive and look at how bad the show is, Rick, Daryl, Carol, this Glenn argument is a huge bullshit, people just want to make nonsensical excuses for the show's downhill. If what keeps you watching something is a character, and not the story itself, then you don't like the story, you only like 1 character and that's stupid, people nowadays cry too much online about anything that doesn't fit their needs, it's not your show, you're not the writer, you don't get to tell what the people making it should do, movies and tv shows were much better before the internet.
I always found it funny just how similar Walking Dead & Game of Thrones really are.
1. Both created as an answer to their traditional genres respectively. Robert Kirkman said he always wanted to see what happened next after a zombie movie ends and Martin's work is basically the post-modern answer to Tolkien's setting.
2. Both found a niche audience.
3. Both picked up by a major network.
4. Both a crappy showrunners, yet still had great seasons.
5. Both began to decline halfway through.
6. Both began to dumb down the storyline and simplify the characters.
7. Both have spinoffs planned. (I'm much more interested in GOT'S Spinoffs)
P.S. I also would like an animated series based off the comic that's more faithful. But yes, Kirkman would to be fully in charge and the spinoffs would need to be cancelled.
8. Both NEED an Animated Adaptation
@@damndude999 Yes. Thank you. I knew I forgot something. 👍
No
Also, both shows decided they were better off without the creators’ input and severed their working relationships. Decline ensued shortly thereafter.
ywp.
the show firing chandler riggs bc they didn’t wanna pay him adult salary only to then have to hire 3-4 adults to fill out the storylines in his place is peak stupid
No kidding!
could you imagine if carol's arc was instead given to carl like how it was in the books?
like the lil guy just invading terminus and ending anyone all by himself. that would have been both badass and would actually continue the arc established on S3, while retroactively giving more sense to negan's speech about carl being a lil psycho.
carol is cool and all but if her character did nothing in the books i wouldn't have been mad at her arc be given to someone else who did deserved it more.
The straw that broke the camel's back for me was killing Carl
Agreed. I quit watching at that point as well. I did finally finish the show last year but it never recaptured what made it compelling in the first place.
His death was so pointless. Carl might not have been the best character but he was slowly getting better near the end. His build up was getting better. He could have been set up to be the man to carry the torch after Rick,
@@austinclark5278 exactly! i don't blame Chandler because he started when he was young and i couldn't imagine myself in his position, but i think that made Carl more relatable.
The walking dead fans trying not to talk how killing of Carl destroyed the show for 5 minutes: Mission Impossible.
I don’t get it. Everyone hated Carl before that, but then pretended him dying ruined a show that was already terrible for years.
I actually did fall off after Glenn, but it wasn't his death specifically. They gave him a fake out death, brought him back, then killed him in this brutal fashion, after we found out he was going to be a dad. It was just too much.
1. They fired Frank early on and it was both a crappy move and not smart.
2. The biggest problem is they wanted "shocker" moments ie - Dale, Andrea, Lorie etc.. deaths.
They literally kill Andrea way early on and she is suppose to be (from my recollection) in Alexandria . Carl gets killed because "well it's the mid or end season finale.. we gotta do something crazy." Their entire decisions were based on charts and demographics;
"We can't kill Daryl.. people will riot.."
"We know the fans love these big moments.. who we gonna kill next?"
"well they gotta get here.. even though this character is dead."
They were so worried about keeping interest with these emotional / shocker moments they really screwed things over. I would be willing to bet if they didn't off characters left and right , then the most iconic death (Glenn) wouldn't have turned non comic fans off so much, especially since he had a "fake death" prior.
The comics did well because they were well written and well thought out overall.
AMC had great source material and decided to go so far off the rails and became needlessly greedy, they shot themselves in the foot.
Had they stuck to the comics, I would bet anything the show woulda have MUCH better viewership toward the end.
That’s why I only like the first few seasons. All that other shit I was like aight ima head out
Loris death was fine, and yall dramatize glenns fake death it was hilarious
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@@IIIISaihilarious does not mean good lol.
clearly they wanted adversity, as if the show didn't have enough. You cant have white family in a show anymore, that would be too racist.
I assume you haven't seen Dexter but it literally has two bad endings like they made the first one bad and then when they tried to fix it they made it even worse interestingly Dexter is also based on a book
I still can’t believe new bloods ending was somehow even far worse than season 8s ending. It’s actually unbelievable still too me😂😂it had to be done on purpose
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New Blood was a even bigger kick to the nuts, because it had the advantage of building up to a new finale for years. Huge stakes too since we knew this would be the end where Dexter gets caught. The season was quite good but they really dropped the ball into the fkin abyss with that ending. The original showrunner returned for New Blood and he had a great ending in mind for the original series before he left, I don't know wtf happened.
I actually liked the ending (first one, second one i didnt see). After all the years its still so funny to me. Its like authors can either do generic boring happy ending and everyone would like it anyway, or they can actually do something unusual and interesting and everyone would just hate it because they cant fathom no generic happy ending but couldn't admit it.
Outside of Breaking Bad i guess, i literally dont know a single show that didnt end with generic happy ending and fans liked it
@nerdError0XF look there is a bad ending and a good ending and there's a sad ending and happy ending I think you are misunderstanding those because Dexter neither had a sad or good ending they just dragged it after season 4 and I'm not saying the first 4 were flawless they definitely had issues but in S8 they were going literally nowhere like the first seasons were good because it was about Dexter as a person all the killers were connected to him in a mostly understandable way but after it its was just about him as a killer not an actual character and they just finished it on him being alive yoo they didn't even have the balls to kill him off just cause they were told they might need to do another season
Niegains is the most confusing self insert character - he has a random gaggle of goons who are sometimes in the hundreds and super well armed and sometimes just half a dozen guys with sharp sticks. He overpowers the main characters mostly due to their own incompetence and guns mysteriously becoming super rare. He often says super meta lines as if hes read the scripts for the season and knows what happens.
it feels like the show went from a show about surviving the zombie apocalpyse with three dimensional characters to a show where those same people are now caricatures with superhero like skills. TWD universe became a parody of itself
Well obviously if your in a world like that long enough you get good at it and you get tougher same with war
Glenn's death was the beginning of the end for me. When Rick was flying away on the helicopter after the bridge being blown up was the final episode I ever watched. I jumped back in and watched Here's Negan during the pandemic..but that was that.
a short from that episode convinced me to try after quitting in S8 and taking like six years off from the show maybe longer. I skipped to the end of S8, which was OK, but I'm glad I tried because S9, while wildly different, more sci-fi like in the devolution of their technology, was actually quite good. S10 was OK and finished off the momentum of the post-Rick era nicely, but kind of fizzes out with the Commonwealth as the budget really shows there... so S11 really misses the mark, which was idiotic as it should've ended with a bang for all the spinoffs, but hey this is AMC. S9 is definitely entertaining.
TLDR: I went back and watched S9-11 after quitting in S8. While the new non-Rick show is not nearly as good as S1-4, it has its merits, especially if you're out of things to watch. S9 is especially good, even after Rick's solid first three eipsodes.
@@drlca6601I personally kinda like non rick seasons especially season 9 but I always felt that something is missing and seasons 9-11 would be much better with rick
Negan had that Thanos ability to multiply his soldiers
😂😂
I tried to watch this, but that opening scene of him cutting off his hand in the most contrived way possible just broke me
I dropped off because none of the recent spin-offs are available anywhere apart from the US for some fucking reason
Yup, been vpning for years now. With the recent Helldivers situation too, I have no idea how a company of their size can't have licensing figured out in 2024 💀
They might be coming soon on Now TV so there's that
The ones who lives is available now in UK and it’s a quality show (I hated seasons 11)
@@KD-Lewis 5 months after it officially came out, people have been spoiled to hell and back by now and probably seen clips all over the internet of it. Whats the point in a schedule like that, and what is their excuse for it in a digital age?
For real? They shafted you all? Trust me, though.. you ain't missing much. The spin-offs are mostly just IP Milking.
I disagree on the thrones imploding suddenly thing. It had cracks that formed around the midway point but managed to keep some quality till later on but the last season was SOOOO bad people forget the issues with seasons 4-7. Ill never forgive the dorne disgrace or the lack of lady stoneheart and feagon
I think of a lot of the changes GoT made in the same way I think of a lot of the changes TWD made - it's sort of a threshold.
TWD, for example, immediately dabbled with the CDC and the origins of the virus - something that was a huge no-no with the overall themes of the comic. But because the big picture was still really strong, you can excuse it.
Same for GoT, they removed A LOT of the magic and mysticism right from the get-go (like 99% of the Stark-warg storyline is removed outright), but again, because the rest of the story was super strong, you can excuse it.
But with both shows, like I mentioned in the video, once they break the illusion, you start to look back and notice a lot more things that you would've previously excused, like the CDC, like Terminus, like the Stark wolves, like Lady Stoneheart, like John being dumbed down etc etc. Then again, obviously this is all just based on vibes, so that's just how I see it. For me, GoT burned their goodwill a lot faster than TWD.
@@Koroto I definitely see what you're saying, twd definitely went against the source in bigger ways earlier and got had a bigger and more sudden turn from most fans perspective. Ive just always thought people have rosed tinted glasses for the moddle seasons of thrones. It was still good but definitely already on a decline, but the last season fully fell off a cliff so it takes most of the heat when it comes to the issues. I completely agree with the overall point i just think there was a slow decent before the big drop, but that doesn't really change the end outcome😂
@@Koroto i think both shows made the same kind of mistakes but twd started its downhill slide earlier and there was never really the big drop off, so there isnt as much of a moment fans turned and people are more likely to forget the flaws before that big drop at the last season because of it is more what i was trying to say
S5 was the start of the downfall. THE dorne plot, Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltens and on top George himself coming out say he would Never do something that stupid.
@@Koroto how was comics termanius
The show ended for me when Rick left. It was his story. Years later i watched some of the Whisperers storyline and i absolutely hated it.
Seasons 1-6 (And S7E1) was incredible. Then the rest of season 7 happened… I don’t know how it managed to fall off so hard.
S9 was good actually. S10 was ok. S11 was trash lol.
@@drlca6601 I used to say this. I still like Season 9 but its nothing compared to the first 6. The show was still a shadow of itself
Tbh season 6 is when I started noticing problems and began questioning the show
@TheReelHeel Yep. Exactly what I thought, too. S7E2 and onwards was a steeeep drop-off. Like, almost historically so..
Btw, love the profile name 👍🏻🤷🏻♂️
@@TheReelHeel oh agreed... S9 is more like a scifi/age of empires mix, which is cool, but it's nowhere near the tone and quality of the first six, 1-4 especially. Even those seasons had terrible bouts of unevenness after S3x04. S2B is by far my favourite. S9 (post-Rick) and most of S10 are almost a different animal entirely. Here's Negan is one of the top episodes of the show, but that's because it's so similar in tone to the first few seasons, with the beginning of the outbreak and all. Unfortunately, in S11 the show completely falls apart after the Washington storyline. The Reapers were horrible enemies lmao. The Commonwealth was awful as well. Funnily enough, I would still rate S11 higher than the awful dumpster fire that was S7-8 (minus 7x01.) I haven't seen RIck's new show yet, but I hope it's decent.
I think the only hope for the Walking Dead IP or, Universe (TV included) is:
- a comic 1-1 animated adaptation
- a Telltale Walking Dead adaptation
- or, a separate story with new characters and a different location
Only if Amc loses the right.
And NOO, leave Clem alone they trying to ruin her enough already.
At this point, I don’t think a new story/setting would work. Unless it was GOOD GOOD. It’s automatically gonna have a bias on it by general audiences by having The Walking Dead sticker attached to it. Also the fact that they tried this with Fear but it wasn’t pulling the numbers they wanted so they tied it into the main show. Comic accurate versions of an adaptation of the games would be good but like stated in the video, Kirkman would need full creative control for it to work properly, which is doable, but AMC is going to put up a big fight and it’s likely years away from being close to happening
1-1 comic adaptation but keep the original actors. i would LOVE to see jdm act out comic negan or andrew doing the “we are not the walking dead” speech
These 3 would be great. In fact, I'd say the Daryl show is that separate story/characters cuz it's just him (and now Carol). A comic adaptation and telltale adaptation would be incredible
On the last one, just adapt the novels. It would be very interesting to see Woodbury and the Prison from a different perspective.
I dropped off after the end of the main show. All these years and seasons and it ends with Daryl riding off into the sunset with no major plot points resolved so they might as well have just have a giant anvil fall on the main cast after they reached Alexandria
No one talks about how hard is to following the story because every episode new characters show up, and the old group split up, of course you cant follow the story.
Hollywood-Math: 30 attacked, 40 died, 50 survived and won by sheer number.
I just love how Jadis is, but when she got bit, It's as if those old RPGs where she suddenly sat down and just start monologuing. It's so surreal and got me laughing
Little known fact; Saviors and Dothraki have respawns, that's why no one reacts to their replenishing numbers in universe
36:25 "special Walkers in Europe" is so funny on too many levels. It is like zombie virus deliberately engineered apocalupse around US and put better walkers in the different continent so US survivors can have their post apo expansion pack. They took a comic trying to be realistic and dramatic story about people trying to survive in zombie apocalypse and turned it into bloody MMO
The last episode of the ones who live was the final nail in the coffin for me. The zombies is the only unrealistic thing i want in a zombie show. Michonne and Rick alone taking down a whole military base is more unrealistic than the zombies.
Lmfao 🤣🤣 the whole Jadis press "E" to skip part! That shit was funny AF
When there is no completely written story and you make it up as you go along. And you also want to milk it forever, then the quality will drop.
My interest dropped after negan was captured. We skip ahead years without a decent explanation and All of a sudden everything happened offscreen. But still, I had to watch it, because I already invested so much time. I'm happy it finally ended
The “special” walker thing also kinda goes to show that the writers or execs or whoever is really big on that decision kinda misses the point of the source material. The zombies are entirely superfluous. They’re just a mechanism for the story to happen and a force of nature that the characters have to deal with
10:23 - I’ve never been in a firefight, but I assume shooting a zombie, that is moving slowly, straight at you is significantly easier than shooting an enemy soldier, who is dodging and taking cover, and also shooting at you. The stress of that doesn’t give you nearly as much time to calmly take aim. Otherwise, I think you made some good points in this video.
That clip with the guy writing fire gets me every damn time😅😅😅
Thats Gunna the snitch
Gimple could barely keep up the quality even when he only had the main TWD to play with. Why anyone thought he could stick the landing with this 5-year prolonged series finale is beyond me
So I know that the ones who live could have definitely done the last episodes better because they did feel rushed, but I genuinely think that that side series explored marital problems and Rick and Michonne's dynamic better than anything in the entire walking Dead saga ever. I legitimately think, that ever since the show came out of its prime, that side series is the best thing that has come out since then. I love that side series
They did good enough with that mini-series that I watched it after being completely checked-out of TWD universe for years and was, overall, satisfied with the ending. Like okay. Some of the people I care about found some happiness and we can assume that everyone will come back together again, eventually from Carol's blurb on the walkie-talkie.
The Daryl show was also surprisingly touching and I'll definitely check out the second season of that.
I'll never go back and watch TWD seasons that I missed and I'm not gonna watch Dead City, and Fear ended at the dam as far as I'm concerned.
But I was happy to see Rick, Michonne, and their little family together.
@@RailroadTy I think all of the side series except for other worlds (I think that's the name?) are great in their own ways!
I just watch your videos tbh. Thank goodness it was pushed as a YT recommendation.
The season 6 Glenn dumpster debacle was the first big moment that took me out of enjoying the show; toying with the audience in place of compelling writing. What outright killed the magic for me, was how season 6 episode 8 ended with teasing how Carl draws walkers attention during 'no way out'. Ending the episode on that cliffhanger, only to start the next episode pretending it never happened was just awful. I lost all respect and confidence in the show. But I kept watching, in naive hope that they wouldn't make the same mistakes with Negan. Well......
really happy your making this video and the length of it as well very nice!
As much as I love the TWD franchise I would say that by TWD season 10 they were milking a cow that was practically out of milk because you had so many show exclusive characters and characters that had already died in the book at that point
It became just raw capitalism. You could tell in season 4 that it became filler. That filler diminished the content.
I dropped out due to the Negan arc, but I never got all the kvetching about Glen. The Negan arc was simply repetitive and tedious, and Negan shouldn't have even been able to move given the weight of the huge amount of plot armor he was wrapped in. I just got tired of waiting for something meaningful to happen rather than just another episode ending in some sort of absurd, violence at the hands of Negan.
I just loved the whole atmosphere of the show around Daryl's brother presence and the time Eugenes group allied with Rick. The brother added such a rich uncertainty of a risky element you never knew where was going, and he was also that stereotypical dumb selfish army guy you expect to see, just loved his character and idk why
i think people who say they left off after glenn died is because they were already jaded after glenn died AGAIN
I left when rick "died" when blowing up the bridge, the show felt weird for a moment at that point and i thought that's a good moment to drop the show, i watched like one episode of next season and decided that that's not it anymore, but i did rewatch like first 4/5 seasons 3 times
As someone who has never watched walking dead and watched this video completely i would like you applaud 👏 your narration skills
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where are you guys from? im curiohs because as a canadian i never have these issues being right next to america, im wondering what countries get effected by this lol
@@keltongillanders5736no i mean like people who didn't a certain show , why would they be watching a video analysing of downfall and story aspects of a show they didn't watch
I have never seen a show tank harder than the walking dead.
9:00 Krotos doesn’t know the Saviors are capable of mitosis
personally i didn't watch season's 10 and 11, but i picked the show back up for rick and michonne given it was the one plotpoint i cared about, i liked it more than.. most people seem to.. because it was, whilst not perfect and obviously contrived, giving me everything i really wanted out of the tv universe now, an ending, and i feel, even if ik they're gonna continue this on for like 5 more spinoffs atleast, i got an ending with rick seeing his kids again. and i'm fine with that as an ending.
I think your opinions are spot on. I am a huge TWD fan. Watched every show, read all the comics, played all the games, even made the mistake of pre-ordering all of the bad ones. It is such a shame that they tanked this series because it was, and could've remained, the best show on television. I have never been so invested, impressed, and disappointed by the same thing.
The ones who live Absolutely was not worse than how Game of Thrones ended. Not even close
The Negan and Daryl show was WAY worse
Negan yesh Daryl was great
Daryl wasn't really bad. I mean it's not a masterpiece buts it's enjoyable. Dead City I can agree wasn't great even though it should've been
Tbh I just find the Daryl Show super dull and boring, and Dead City is just pretty whatever for me
Thank you for saying you’re going to continue the retrospective on the comics ending 🔥 been really looking forward to that
I really enjoy your perspective, it saves me sooo much time from even being curious about whatever they made after... I dropped off at the end of the main show, I'm not even 100% I watch all of it, I might have missed things somewhere along the middle. I gave them chances to do something with this main story they had been making for years. But, even if I didn't feel it was as bad as dummies and dragons, I mean, Game of Thrones, I still felt it was pretty much meaningless and had little to no satisfaction. So, I wasn't even paying attention anymore to whatever they were doing, enough is enough, even my addiction for audiovisual fiction has a limit. So, many thanks to you for putting this one up together, I can safely keep developing my skills to discard the things I know lead nowhere. Maybe an anime adaptation could be interesting, I do agree on that as well! 😁
The first four episodes of the ones who live were phenomenal. There’s a few issues of course but I think overall they are incredibly solid episodes. Then five and six drove off a cliff with so many stupid plot contrivances, rushed conclusions and unsatisfying story telling.
I personally really enjoyed season 10 and 11. Even though I do agree with the criticism of the characters perhaps being too invincible. On one hand, they’ve been through so much it makes sense that they are experienced enough to get out of most situations but at the same time they do feel far too covered in plot armor at times.
I thought S11 was a great conclusion to the series and the way it ended, while open ended, left off on a hopeful, philosophical positive uplifting note with the whole “were the ones who live” monologue. It just really resonated with me.
After the ones who live though, I think I’m done with this franchise. It’s meant a lot to me and it helped me through a lot of horrible times in my life. But I think at this point I’m just done. The universe will never really have a satisfying conclusion with the way it’s going and I am personally OK with just seeing season 11 as the ending with the ones who lives being a mostly good epilogue even with those last two episodes being really stupid.
Couldn't agree more with u regarding The ones who live. Jadis should've been more of a threat, beale should've been more of a threat and you cut out the cheesy champy dialogue and boom, easy 8 or 9/10 for each episode.
For me I’m just gonna pretend no way out was the end for Twd
@@forthecool I could see that being a good ending
@@rhadpenguin 6 episodes isn’t enough run time for what they wanted to achieve. It should’ve been 8 to 12 episodes imo. And dedicated at least 3 episodes to taking down the CRM and with more help than just rick and michonne.
@@Sev3617 absolutely agree that 8 episodes could've done it. You flesh out the first episode and break it apart by giving more context to what Rick was up too after being taken by the CRM. Then take the time to close the story with more detail and not rush to a close in a single ep.
I really hated how the series built up the CRM to be some sort of elite military force only to have them be a complete paper tiger. But in general I don't think most writers know how to depict a professional military force so that is hardly a problem that is unique to TWD. Pretty often the depiction becomes a pretty cartoonish distortion of how the writers think a military force acts.
what bothers me most about TOWL is the fact that this had SOOOOOO MUCH potential and the first episode completely and flawlessly showed that up until the point Okafor was killed. then i was like "how are they going to recover from building up this character to be a badass surviving so long and just dying like that"
Didn't stop watching it well at this point I'm just watching it to just know what's happening
This video is amazing WOW. You somehow summed up all my problems with this show do well
When I saw that last episode, I was like after all those years of building up the CRM they ended it like that? They should have let Rick join the CRM and keep it going.
Totally agree about the action feeling weightless as the show progressed to later seasons. You felt so much weight when the farm was attacked, but in that season 8 episode where Hilltop is attacked (Do not send us Astray episode) the whole battle felt...weightless and totally forgettable.
I’ve watched most of the series several times over(up until season 7) and continued watching them release on tv with my family but just kind of puttered out just before the series final, haven’t gone back because I felt the passion, the story, characters, and smaller plot lines between them seemed uninspired and unnecessary. Which sucks because it started so strong, the flow of the seasons and the struggle of understanding and empathizing with both points of view kept us all captivated. By the end it just felt redundant in a sense. The risk of taking a big step forward kept them in this phase of renewing the same threads with new faces after killing too many for shock value
That’s a bold title you got there. We shall see
I just want to do some TWD positivity. The Walking Dead tabletop roleplaying game by Free League Publishing is actually amazing and if you like the idea of TWD in Dungeons and Dragons form, it's absolutely worth checking out.
So happy to see your sub count balloon. Youve been great
TWD's story feels likes it's going backwards in time. I mean, for 5 or 6 seasons it really had an apocalytic atmosphere, as we only follow 'our' group which occasionally encounters friends/foes, and then... bam! Dozens of 'communities' - some very sophisticated, like Commonwealth or CRM - emerge here and there like mushrooms. That feels completely unrealistic. The show 's time-line should have been made the other way around
I love that you mentioned the scale (spectacle) in this video, because that was my biggest problem with seasons 7-8. If the Saviors seemingly have infinite people, then why do I care about any of these battles?
This is something early Game of Thrones did fantastically well. They gave us an incredible sense of scale. Not just army sizes, but geography (especially with that intro), and money, and time limitations for each faction. Meanwhile, every conflict of TWD completely failed to even give us the relative geographies of the factions, from the Prison/Woodbury, to the Saviors, to the Whisperers, even to the Commonwealth.
Ultimately, as a viewer I found it more thrilling watching a bunch of Game of Thrones lords having a conversation around a map with figurines on it than any watching any 3 Savior battles, because at least with the GoT dialogue scenes I was connected to the stakes. Meanwhile, watching a whole episode of Aaron and Eric shooting random Saviors as if I were watching a kid mash his little green Army Men together just felt like useless spectacle.
Oh damn just based on that title I do not agree in the slightest. Thrones for me was monumentally more disappointing. The ending of Thrones make it hard to rewatch even the good stuff. That being said I love your videos and can’t wait to hear your take!
Idk, I feel the same exact way about both.
Recently rewatched GoT, still absolutely loved the first seasons despite the horrific ending. I got so locked in that I finally even went through all the extra lore books 😅
Same with TWD - could rewatch the first seasons on loop forever, but as soon as I get to season 7ish, I start rolling my eyes more and more 😬
@@Koroto that’s totally fair - I think my tolerance for BS is stronger for sure. For me the difference is where as the characters in TWD became massive Flanderizations by the end they at least retained that. Dany flipping at the end felt to me like a complete departure from who she was. Maybe that’s why I feel that way. Here’s hoping Kirkman gets his wish and we get an animated adaption in 20 years!
@@JosephMichael Nah the first two seasons of TWD had some of the best dialogue in a show so consistent and tastefully written. Then the writer who made it all happen got fired around season 2 after that they started using character deaths as fuel to keep the show going.
And the cracks started to show in season 5. And the charm of the show was completely gone by s7 20 hour long episodes of vapid writing somehow sold by the likes of Andrew Lincoln, Norman and jeffrey dean morgan.
@@blakan1478 oh no yeah the quality dropped no denying that. I stand by most things Koroto brings up in his retrospectives like bottle eps and what not. My point was more so for me personally GoT was more egregious.
Exactly it's not that bad wtf
After binging Lost, seeing Terry O'Quinn interact with Andrew Lincoln seems like a fever dream
New Korotos Video dropped, my infant son has to wait for his dinner
Great video and I appreciate your insight. I’m still watching. I enjoy the genre.
Some parts were so so amazing some weren’t but I overall really liked it
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Unfortunately, I don´t know the comics. My problems began in TWD Negan Arc, which took forever and ever and ever. It didnt´t feel like zombie apocalypse surviving anymore, just like a bad soap opera with more drama, dumb character decision and even more filler crap just to fill somehow the episode. Season 10 & 11 I remember watching way later on speed 1.5, because there was SO much unnecessary filler stuff in these episodes wich neither add nor contribute to the overall story. You could literally cut these out and have like half of the season with somehow a dense story. Also poor Daryl, Maggie and Negan : Never being allowed to have something more going on in story arc as the same old song seasons ago :(
Comic Negan Arc 97-126 (30 issues)
Show Negan Ark 612-818 (37 episodes)
Note half of the comic story was skipped/ignored for the show.
@@damndude999except the negan arc was done better in the comics
@@8johh 1000%
Lmao
@@damndude999 daryl was braindead and caused their capture
I decided to rewatch it since it ended. I originally dropped it on season 3, since that’s what was out at the time. So far i’m on season 10 and it is an absolute dredge to get through it. You could tell how desperate they were for views, showing baited intros and cliffhangers that spoiled too much. The one episode that really stuck with me was Sasha’s death. They show her die at the beginning and spend the entirety of it explaining why it happened, trying to do a fake out, all the while jumping back and forth from the past to the present. The script was mind numbing and there were plenty of times it could’ve been inspirational or horrifying. An example would be right before Shiva’s death, Ezekiel states he is no king and is just a man. It was already stated many of the citizens of the kingdom have read through their library. Any one of them could’ve cheered him up by saying “The first step to being a great king is not by believing he is above anyone, but that he is just a man”. Like I said earlier i’m on season 10 and I plan on dropping it again. It’s hard even playing it as background noise.
More people know Negan from Tekken than have seen him on the show
I think most current writers have zero real world experience with anything. That's why characters are written to be basically invincible to comedic levels.
well, since korotos asked... I did fall off after the Glen/Negan thing. I remember watching the season 7 premier on a common area TV in my friend's dorm, and we both sat there for hours afterwards talking about how annoyed we were with how the scene played out. neither of us were comic-readers, but like most people at the time, we knew what was _supposedly_ about to happen.
it felt really cruel to tease something that everyone suspected was going to happen, then give people false hope that the writers actually had the guts to change the source material in an interesting way, then tear that intrigue away. Abraham was a cool character! and I think his death would've still been impactful on its own. but... we were especially annoyed that it was Daryl's fault. I'm all for characters doing dumb stuff that ends up having disastrous consequences, especially if you as a viewer can understand why they did what they did. but in TWD's case with Glen's death, it felt like the writers used the fact that Daryl was a fan-favorite to wipe their hands clean of having the scene play out the way it did.
I think we floated the idea of watching it week-to-week, but the next week we were still annoyed, then the next week, and the next... eventually we just decided to drop the show. although to be fair, we would've had to reserve one of the common area TVs every week since that was the only way we could watch cable, which was kind of a headache lmao
but anyhow, that's just my perspective. I mostly watch the AoT videos, but this was a really interesting analysis! makes me want to relieve the good ol' early days of TWD with the retrospective series. who knows, maybe I'll end up picking up the show where I left off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Imagine adapting a story by not adapting it and instead adapting something your cousin Jimmothy put together after reading the original through the bottom of a beer glass and on a budget of $0.25 (the rest of the budge is reserved for Walker-makeup and explosives).
I luv your vids! I'm literally the ONLY person I know that's still watching! & honestly, it's just because I wanna see how it ends...I'm too deep in 😅
Yup, that's me. All my friends dropped off years and years ago 😅
At least now I have closure for the Grimes family and I'm sorta done.
@Koroto exactly! Now I just watch put of curiosity. I have no investment lol
Are we all just still watching cuz of the sunken cost fallacy? 🫠
@@XavierRenegadeAngel this is EXACTLY why I'm still watching. Thanks! I didn't know this term until now!
I left after Rick beat Negan… then I think Rick was picked up on a Helicopter. Then I was like “There’s more… smh oh god I’m out”
Would love to see the “Invincible treatment” for TWD
My wife was a devout co watcher of this with me, I mean every episode every week we watched it eagerly until the governor hit the prison with the tank. Then she started saying it was dog water and bs. I kept on hoping it was going to recover as she completely pulled out in frustration. That was ten years ago now...and I admit she was right in the end 😂
So I wouldn’t say it was as disappointing as game of thrones considering the story at least ended up where I wanted it to conceptually. Rick essentially saves the world and comes full circle finding his family. My problem however is the execution to get to that was awful. Game of thrones failed in execution and the final result as well imo
his family is carl , carl was his drive , and what made his character , andrew lincoln said himself he feels "the only way for rick's story to end , is for rick to die and carl to take his place" (paraphrased btw) , even though he made new connections , carl is the center of his world , the writing was all around horrible and lacked commitment and didn't care about the characters anymore , just about meaningless spectacle , and they just killed off or wrote off any character that had meaning (other than a couple)
and judith is shane's daughter but sure he accepted her as his own , he doesn't even know rj exists / has never met him , and michonne is just michonne , doesn't compare to carl
just my thoughts , i'd say walking dead was far more disappointing , but i guess it was less of a blow because of how it was overtime
Zombies went from terrifying entities to irritants. People killed 2 zombies while discussing weather.
The cave episode was straight disrespectful to anyone from a mining community
Yes . . . like fireman were disrespected by Halloween . . . All the problems with the actual show, and yours is the most pathetic way to look at it. Fuck off and grow up
10:37 Playing devils advocate for this point; walkers aren’t shooting back at you so there is less stress and you can fire more accurately, assuming you’re desensitized to walkers at this point.
You never really get used to getting shot at unless you’re in a warzone for a long while, hence the stormtrooper aim.
Turning Carol into Rambo in the climactic Terminus episode was when the show lost me.
Not even 10 seconds in and you start with a Doofenscmirtz meme.
I love this channel man 😂
is it a safe space to say i loved it
Yes, this is a safe space. Glad you liked it 😅
No!! You can't like things other people don't like!