They are the reason why i need to preorder things months in advance... I am very specific and i hate when the only figure that i want is sold out because someone bought 10 copies of it.
This is a good topic, and a dilemma I've been struggling with. I love collecting toys, but I'm realizing that my collection is getting out of hand. But for every five toys I buy, I'm selling off an older one now. Not great, but better than I was before. And I only buy what I'm interested in. I know I'm filling a void in my life, and I am trying to work on scaling back my collection.
Problem is not that you get multiple toys of the same line or lets say 3 reflectors. But if you buy 30 sharkticons you basically take too many.I got 3 sharkies could go with 5 but not more than that. Also, Scalping, another issue, is a really bad thing. Buying rare items a lot to then sell it for profit. Selling for profit isn't bad, but if you do so at the cost of collectors on and around release date that is a sad practice. Especially for those who don't have that much money, love to hunt toys and then to see the self emptied and finding that same item for insane prices on ebay a day later.
Here's my 2 cents. This doesn't happen in toys collecting alone and I'm against hoarding and all don't get me wrong but hey it is what it is, everyone has their own reasons, welcome to the real world... But what really grinds my gears is when this scalper as*holes are trying to sell the items for a ridiculous inhumane price!
Great clip! Very true about hoarding. There is a fine line. I refrain A LOT from buying TF. I bought 2 at Toys R Us this week and this was the conversation I had in my head. : 1. I am buying because I love TF, they make me happy, 2. I love Toys R Us and want to support my local toy stores. (Too many toy stores close their doors and I think that is really sad.) 3. I want to support the brand and makers. 4. I am not selling any of my TF (yet) because I enjoy having them in my house. I know that at the end of the day they are just things. But Life is short. Do what makes you happy, but don't let that be the only reason for your existence. You must care and not care at the same time. 5. They bring me back to when I was young, my family, my friends. So long live the toys and brands that bring joy in our lives!!!
Very profound discussion Chef, and I agree with you on all points. Being a "victim" of reason 5, man, I can relate so much to what you're getting at. Living in the south, far from GH and Mega and all I can rely on are the TKs and TRUs in the nearby malls, you really can't explain the disappointment to see that the cases that arrived contains only the figures that you don't intend to get, after going back and forth to their stores almost every day to check.
I feel for ya man. In australia we are very far apart so the fuel cost and time hunting sometimes discourages repeat visits. I now ring up the store before going and quote product code before getting off my butt to buy retail.
wow, thanks bro :-) yeah, i know right? so frustrating. and there's little you can do about it but rant about it, because sadly, out here, it's not what you know, it's who you know...
This was great Chef, very powerful and you clearly did your research! That last point about us not being able to take anything to the next life hit me, in the back of my mind I always knew that but it’s easy to forget, so hits hard when someone says it. I hoard parts of my collection (like Hot Wheels mainly) but I’ve started selling things off, I just need people to buy from me now 😭
I’m glad you’re discussing this. It can be an issue at times. I am like that with DVDs, Blu-rays, action figures/toys. I used to be like that with records, and music and most of all in comics. It wasn’t for scalping. I just loved comics and like an alcoholic - I couldn’t stop! *nervous laugh* So comics got (for me) really crap. So it was easy to burn out on it all and say, “Ok I don’t need to buy these any more.” So that’s good. For army building - I don’t bother with dioramas. So I would only get say 5 Daleks, and one or two Stormtroopers.
Going through your archives Chefatron and came across this. Great PSA for us collectors our there! The key word is 'hobby'. There are too many abusing their advantages and it's definitely hurting the community across the globe. With all the retail exclusives, we should be helping each other and not gouge or rip each other off. This is the main reason why this hobby is hitting sky high prices and if we were to help each other out instead of hoard, I bet we'd see much more favourable price points. Thanks for the discussion my man!
I do if it's a figure I really like and with Transformers, I can always display them in different modes. Or I like to army build but not if they are out of my budget.
I ABSOLUTELY !ove these topi videos please do more so it goes people some thinking about figures a d whatever. Id love a video on STAR WARS HOXARDING JUST TO THROW IT INTO. A Pile of others but this person buys them to keep others from having THEM.
For me my hoarding comes from not having the things as a child, that I have as an adult. I'm a family guy with a decent job and after tending to my household , I have to reach out to my inner child. Having the means to make the purchase or waiting on that preorder is a rush. It's like gambling the thrill of winning or losing it all. Once I have anything in storage, I loose interest and want some more. But the reduction in scale and quality in transformers has me on the fence about future collecting. I wonder if theirs somebody out there feeling me or maybe I'm just weird like that. Thanks Chef!
Definitely with you there. I love Transformers but the higher cost and lower quality, especially with all the hollow parts, I'm debating whether or not I want to get newer figures even if they do represent the characters better than figures I already have. I'm pretty happy with my collection except for a few figures that I still need but once I get those figures or someone makes them, I'm going to just focus on displaying them and not buy anymore.
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
Awesome topic. Loved every word. As Dan from Toy Galaxy says... Leave one behind for the next collector. Love your channel and your passion for the hobby I’ve loved since my Dad took me to Forbidden Planet in NYC when I was 10 years old in 1981. Thank you.
Greatly worded. I started collecting in 2015 with ML, but have opened up to others as well. The best way to put my "issue" into words is: Deprived as a child... So, now that I'm a single, childless engineer and can afford it, it's become my thing, my 'Adult Toy Collection '. Funny thing about it is that the ladies I meet don't much mind lol. And I make it clear to siblings that when I die, please give one to younger family members then donate the rest to children charities :)
i was referring to personal limits you should set on yourself. i don't care about what you buy. i was merely suggesting a way to live a healthier life.
The one that surprised me the most (because army-building and reselling at sinful high prices I can understand) is the one where you want a toy, finally find it, but then keep buying it again... I have toys I really want and may not be very easy to find. But, once I get them, that's it. Buying it again when I only wanted one would not bring me any good feeling. It is sad if people really need to get their highs from repeat buying a toy they do not need/want in the same way they did when they did not have it.
Wow. I had never thought about this situation. I think I saw it exclusively as "it felt good to get a toy I did not have", so the feeling would not be expected by buying the same figure again, having to look out for new figures to get that rush again.
This side series has turn from "The Chef's Ramble Table" to "The Chef's Toy Therapy Session". Looking forward to "How To Bid Your Favourite Toy Goodbye When You Pass It Down To a Friend".
Once again going here is getting cheap (free) but infinitely more sincere therapy. Thank you to both you sir & to you my fellow collectors/commentators. The reality of this topic goes so deep in the rabit hole. Myriad reasons for each individual that many not all are in denial of. Good luck to all of us. Peace.
I never really needed multiple figures of characters like Captain America or Wolverine unless I wanted to make sure that no matter if I lose one sell one or whatever I will always have at least one in the end. But I don't need that many dupilcates of one figure. Now comics books are a slightly different story.
I do have over 20 Stormtroopers 3.75 point each line. I always wanted to do the Emperor’s arrival scene but I got such a huge collection I can’t pull it off. On the plus side is I quite buying that line all together.
Great video Chefatron! I agree with your definitions of hoarding/ scalping and it's my golden rule to not buy 1 or more at retail. I get a 2nd copy later to have extra copy of one's I 💘 and have back up if 1st copy gets damaged or lost.
I have to disagree with the application of the ‘hoarding’ tag in conjunction with scalping, because the purpose of scalping is to winnow for a profit. The entire point of the purchase is resell it. That said, if they cannot sell it well, and end up buying more than they sell, that applies fully; this in my opinion, is the true face of hoarding. The lack of any ability to choose NOT to accumulate.
Good points to note indeed! My urge was very high last year it was straining us financially. I'm winding down right now from TF collecting to a point. Bottom line prio what I just need instead of buying the entire Earthrise wave.
hahaha i think i might know who you're speaking of. but hey, part of the game, carry-carry lang bro. kailangan natin silang unahan lagi at tulungan fellow legit collectors.
I get so many clones cuz I’m a clone wars kid and stuff like that but it’s expensive to maintain so I decide to limit myself of 2 of each clone if I like it enough but max 4 for 501st because they’re my favorite and blue has been my favorite color
I've been hunting for a Seige Voyager Optimus Prime for so long,ever since they unveiled the Siege line, literal years in fact, but I never EVER found even one in the wild. Mga toxic talaga 'tong mga scalpers and hoarders and the practice of scalping and hoarding. Thank you Chefatron at finally diniscuss mo ang isyung ito.
no prob bro. medyo marami nang nabebenta ng siege optimus saka medyo bumaba na presyo kasi nga yung Earthrise Optimus na ang gusto ngayon. yun na mas definitive na G1 styled mas retail product. happy hunting bro!
They can solve this problem by pre-order system in toy stores to allow customers to get the figure they want, and also businesses can reduce the risk of unsold stock when they allow a buyer to hand the cash in advance of the release. I'm shocked the retailers here in my area dont do it.
@@chefatron That's easy just lock them into contract just like mobile phone deals. This will weed out the non-serious people so people like me can get the figure I want.
@@UToobUsername01 not all sellers can do that. what most do is ask for a non-fundable downpayment. but most sellers ask for a very low downpayment like 10$ of the value of the item or less, which makes it easy for a lot of joydibbers to back out
@@chefatron Ok so ID the canceller-pre-order guys and blacklist them. Problem solved. Let's say if you do it 3 times in a row you are banned from preorders. And then what you can do is is place customer feedback forms inside the boxes to send back to hasbro to guage interest in future products to minimise the risk of making things people do not want more of. Already I am seeing people whine that there are too many optimus prime re-imaginings but that is because there are so many media versions: ie comic book, cartoon, g1, re-booted g1 with modernised design etc. I think what I am suggesting is obvious stuff.
hahaha, that's what my wife keeps telling me, seeing that i love to talk and tell my points on things LoL :-) oh no, that was completely a... hypothetical situation... LoL :-)
pardon my ignorance, but how do you get on a podcast. i mean, is there a youtube sort of platform for podcasts where you can get subscriptions or ad revenue from, just thought maybe i'd quit my day job as a baker and go do something alternative ? thanks
It’s a good vid bro. I will pick up figs for my buddy who’s a collector, but only things they are looking for, and are having trouble finding. And he does the same for me.
As a collector I understand if someone wants 2 or 3 of a figure( one in box and others for display or diorama).the ones that are a pain in the ass are the scalper scum that go out and buy every single figure of a line(s) from every store in an area just to take them to flea markets or eBay to sell them at outrageous prices.
I found 2 cuckoos at walgreens. It was hard, but i eventually left both in the shelf. I realised it was just the hype why i felt buying it. Same with the red hulk. I already got the green hulk with the same mold. Just collect what you really want guys and be grateful on what you have.
First Last agreed. I was doing that with yo-yos sold off most of my collection and kep what I really really wanted. Similiar with my figure collection. If it wasn’t in a box then I kept it ( some boxed stuff I still have ) and other stuff I never put on a shelf so I sold it off.
i agree with you about fake altruism. But I am also a fan of the free market. If i WERE hasbro running a business to make money I should not care that much about who bought the items just that I can make high sales. If it's a scalper coming in before the regular customer, and it means I get the money earlier and faster, then I guess you could say it's not my problem. But I think what has to happen is toy retailers should ask the suppliers for some kind of exclusive contract to get the figure in earlier than their rival if they pay a little bit extra or make a deal where they keep the toys longer on shelves to help the toy company. Space is limited in stores so toy company needs to look at the competitor toy makers as muscling in on their marketshare when their toys fill up the shelves and push their own toy off the shelf. So the toy company need to discuss to the retailer what ways they can help them out in a competitive market. Transformers are one of those action figure lines that appeal to wide range of ages. The best ones are the masterpiece collection but the big ticket items and newer figures seem to be adults who remeber the comic book and tv show from the 80s. So the system needs to change if you don't want people to miss out on a character they want. How about direct order of the toy from the retailer before its out and this help save space because when the item comes in the customer can take it off the shelf immediately and save the shop space? Things like this are how to make both customer happy and the toy company and the retailer.
I don't see why people hoard. I was collecting partially for the high but that feeling is completely gone. Now I only get things that catch my eye. No hunts or anything. I'll buy less than 10 figures this year. Most likely 4. I tend to burn out on things. I may be done collecting altogether by next year.
Hoarding and even finding figures is going to get really hard now with this corona virus pandemic Especially exclusives Shipments are going to be backed up and delayed etc It's going to be real hard Like hear in jersey the new red hulk and the frank miller black widow are no where to be found No target or Walmart has it It's going to be a rough year for collectors
Would the custom\modding be considered hoarding as well? Just thinking about the recent seekers the Rain Makers and how that could be used to create a indirect form of hording. A customiser\modder may want to buy multiple packs of the Rain Maker sets to create different variants of seekers seen or not seen in all series. Or even multiple Optimus Primes to make Nemesis Prime or Dark Mirror Optimus Prime. Even multiple collecting a figure to make a custom that was never done to it before, just to make a variety of different custom characters. Kind of like taking the Prowl mold and making your own Blue Streak, Smokescreen or generic Autobot soldier.
Yeah, I kinda hate scalpers, they make buying C3PO for a reasonable price impossible. I might as well buy an import figure at they prices they list him at.
yeah it sucks bro, but usually, these scalpers just end up with a ton of overpriced supposedly rare and in-demand items that after a month or two they start unloading them cheap LoL :-) karma
See, thats why I hate store exclusives too because it causes a manufactured hoarding. I would love to get my hands on a siege Ratchet, but I cant find it locally and Im not schilling out more than retail on ebay for it. I’ll wait for the next inevitable Ratchet to be released.
Scalpers are the plague of this hobby. Those crooked bastards buy up all of a particular figure, and sell it at an exorbitant price. I say collect because you genuinely love the hobby and help other collectors whenever you can in their collecting endeavors. That’s the true joy of all this. And for real for real, I only need to collect what I like. Some things I’m going to miss out on and I’m not gonna stress over that.
I've been buying 4 of each Transformer, lately. One for my son, one to keep MISB, and 2 to open so that I can display it in both vehicle and robot mode. Am I a hoarder? LOL!
Plastic crack is a real addiction. I only need 1 of each, except the carbonized versions. I have not wanted to go down that hole. Also the hunt is part of the collecting process.
minsan, konti lang stocks talaga, tapos indemand yung laruan kaya ubos agad. pero and nakakabwiset yung andami-daming stocks na naka-display, tapos makikita mo may papasok na "collector" tapos bibilhin lahat :-/
I only get TF gens. Prime Wars Trilogy and War for Cybertron Trilogy 6 Figures at the same time! I always learn from TF Legends Mobile Game when a Player gets 4 reward cards(Autobots or Decepticons), plus a chance to get 2 special cards(Optimus Prime and Bumblebee or Megatron and Starscream) in the Special Events based on the G1 Episodes and Comics respectively! TF Battle Tactics takes place where Player choose 4 indivitual characters or 2 characters and 1 combiner, against the other player! Marvel Legends are good and I'm not Hoarding this Figures! But I loved Marvel's Contest of Champions Mobile Game! That's why I learned from Marvel, where the Multiverse takes place in the 1st Secret Wars started!
The thing I hoard is Harlan Ellison (legendary story writer) works, which includes his anthologies, comics, and his DVD. I have a collection of 38 pieces of his works and it took 10 years to find the first piece, which was I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Btw here is a joke about wanting to take your earthly things with you after death... A rich man wants to take all his money with him to heaven, so he buys it all in gold bars and gets buried with it. He then walks up to the gates of heaven with all the gold bars and an angel says, "Oh great, you brought some pavers for the road". ;)
yeah that is why i really streamed line...if multiple companies have license to a particular IP i just stick to one brand USA......transformers is #1....i only keep 1 carded of a character i really like and keep one loose which is not to many....you either keep everything you collect carded or everything loose...it can't be both so another word can't have doubles of everything.....i prefer loose..
Another thing: I kinda dropped out of the macross toy collecting scene after the toys became obscenely hard to obtain. I just said one day "screw this crap I am going to sink my money into gaming" and I feel a lot of stress has been lifted from it. Bandai deliberately makes it hard for people to get by as a method to icrease demand and save on the risk of unsold stock so it causes scalpers and "army builders" to go and buy more than their share which only compaounds the problem for the normal people who just want 1 of the thing. I feel like whoever is scalping or hoarding you are the problem for fans of the toys who get angry that they can't find anything. You are not heroes saving the world. If you want to save something and help you might be better off donating to the poor or helping people in the community not buying up all the optimus prime figures and making me cry because it's so hard to find. Oh BTW I never once saw a Siege Springer figure in my local retailers and that was the one I really wanted. I had to rely on some random guy to buy it for me on amazon and then it was only because he was on the way to my house when I sold a older transformer. (it was convenient because he was already getting stuff there) Now imagine if this random guy didn't want to assist in "the hunt" and I couldn't get the figure? You would have deprived me of the toy and I would eventually at some point give up altogether and miss out. So although you don't need therapy (it's a free market you can do what you feel) don't think that buying up everything is helping. The random guy who doesn't have time to search every store will eventually spend all his money elsewhere and then hasbro will lose customers in the long run once those guys abandon trying to find the figures. Now we do live in the age of the internet so it's easy to get them online but the retailer suffers and when they don't stock anymore toys due to perceived lack of interest, it will hurt you too when you go to the retail because they have limited space and will only stock what sells the best in order to stay afloat. (space is limited so things that sell bad have less space devoted to them) My solution is customers need to pressure retail to have preordering system for specific things and then pay a little bit more than a regular customer for the service of garuanteeing the character they want. This way it eliminates risk. And the regular customer never has to worry about the scalper buying it all up before they get there. I think if retailers knew more about their customers that would also help. Some are still stuck in a 1990s mindset.
@@chefatron Yes it can in countries when the trip to each retailer is quite far. I alwsy rings up the store before I arrive to see what characters are there. It's annoying but better than getting there and realising they only have 10 characters of the one you got ages ago.
I hate scalpers. Honestly, it's evil in the deadly sin of greed and gluttony. I would be so ashamed of myself and will feel bad for those decent people who are trying to collect healthily. Pure evil...
I spend a unhealthy amount of money on toys but I can say NO. If its not special to myself I don't get it, if its a repaint I pass. This new earthrise Optimus looks to much like the cybertron Optimus, i got cybertron one for G1 robot mode. I don't need the trailer, i passed. There is hope for me...
Scalpers galore, fig swappers, I’ve been cheated on deals, intolerance for newer collectors. Every collector group I was ever apart of on Facebook gradually became a septic tank.
I don't really understand this video. You are seemingly butthurt because you think ppl have too many figures of a character? I hate scalpers just like any collector. But the premise to me is flawed. If i have a kenner superpowers superman, a mattel superman, and a mcfarlane superman to me that means I am a superman fan and enjoy collecting that memorabilia. If i buy a mcfarlane superman everytime i see one and have a pile of 50 of them in the corner yeah that could be hoarding but i have never heard or seen anything remotely close to that in decades of collecting. Army building is a whole other can of worms but usually that is reserved for a Grunt or generic solider type figure ( i.e. stormtrooper) you state as much, but again you implore ppl to stop. This is a hobby and done for entertainment. Its not like hoarding toilet paper or medicine the public needs. I'd like to think you are coming from a good place but everyone is different and you can't police what they buy or how they buy it.
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
Hoarders are the scourge of our hobby.
They are the reason why i need to preorder things months in advance... I am very specific and i hate when the only figure that i want is sold out because someone bought 10 copies of it.
@@Bt3615 that's probably mostly scalpers. I doubt a lot of that is someone hoarding without the intent of flipping it.
indeed !
@@rhaeasoul8531 its "than" but otherwise I agree
This is a good topic, and a dilemma I've been struggling with. I love collecting toys, but I'm realizing that my collection is getting out of hand.
But for every five toys I buy, I'm selling off an older one now. Not great, but better than I was before. And I only buy what I'm interested in.
I know I'm filling a void in my life, and I am trying to work on scaling back my collection.
Problem is not that you get multiple toys of the same line or lets say 3 reflectors. But if you buy 30 sharkticons you basically take too many.I got 3 sharkies could go with 5 but not more than that.
Also, Scalping, another issue, is a really bad thing. Buying rare items a lot to then sell it for profit. Selling for profit isn't bad, but if you do so at the cost of collectors on and around release date that is a sad practice. Especially for those who don't have that much money, love to hunt toys and then to see the self emptied and finding that same item for insane prices on ebay a day later.
thanks bro :-)
the important thing is that you're aware of it
@@dgray3771 well said bro
Here's my 2 cents. This doesn't happen in toys collecting alone and I'm against hoarding and all don't get me wrong but hey it is what it is, everyone has their own reasons, welcome to the real world... But what really grinds my gears is when this scalper as*holes are trying to sell the items for a ridiculous inhumane price!
Agreed...Toilet paper being the latest commodity. People selling TP on ebay for up to a 100 bucks..very sad
well said bro :-)
Great clip! Very true about hoarding. There is a fine line. I refrain A LOT from buying TF. I bought 2 at Toys R Us this week and this was the conversation I had in my head. :
1. I am buying because I love TF, they make me happy,
2. I love Toys R Us and want to support my local toy stores.
(Too many toy stores close their doors and I think that is really sad.)
3. I want to support the brand and makers.
4. I am not selling any of my TF (yet) because I enjoy having them in my house. I know that at the end of the day they are just things. But Life is short. Do what makes you happy, but don't let that be the only reason for your existence. You must care and not care at the same time.
5. They bring me back to when I was young, my family, my friends.
So long live the toys and brands that bring joy in our lives!!!
well said
Epic discussion!!!!!!!!! :D Thank you for talking about a topic that most collectors struggle to understand Chefatron, Double Thumbs Up. ;D
wow ! really?! thanks so much brother, much appreciated :-)
@@chefatron You're welcome. :D When I said "struggle to understand" I meant to say struggle to cope with. :D
For me the line is crossed when the collection stops becoming neat and orderly
perhaps
My wife usually will make that judgement call😂
Very profound discussion Chef, and I agree with you on all points. Being a "victim" of reason 5, man, I can relate so much to what you're getting at. Living in the south, far from GH and Mega and all I can rely on are the TKs and TRUs in the nearby malls, you really can't explain the disappointment to see that the cases that arrived contains only the figures that you don't intend to get, after going back and forth to their stores almost every day to check.
I feel for ya man. In australia we are very far apart so the fuel cost and time hunting sometimes discourages repeat visits. I now ring up the store before going and quote product code before getting off my butt to buy retail.
wow, thanks bro :-)
yeah, i know right? so frustrating. and there's little you can do about it but rant about it, because sadly, out here, it's not what you know, it's who you know...
This was great Chef, very powerful and you clearly did your research! That last point about us not being able to take anything to the next life hit me, in the back of my mind I always knew that but it’s easy to forget, so hits hard when someone says it. I hoard parts of my collection (like Hot Wheels mainly) but I’ve started selling things off, I just need people to buy from me now 😭
thanks bro, much appreciated.
well, just give it time :-)
Yes that fifth example is a psychological issue of knowing that you have what people want
indeed
Fab video and a subject close to my heart. We have to do a show again, love hearing your thoughts on the toy world and collecting.
thank you so much brother! yeah definitely! i want to talk toys with you on the show!!! let me know when you want me to come on board :-)
Thanks bro for that truthful reveal. Hope it will make suppliers do the right thing.
no prob bro :-) yes, let's hope so
I’m glad you’re discussing this. It can be an issue at times. I am like that with DVDs, Blu-rays, action figures/toys. I used to be like that with records, and music and most of all in comics. It wasn’t for scalping. I just loved comics and like an alcoholic - I couldn’t stop! *nervous laugh* So comics got (for me) really crap. So it was easy to burn out on it all and say, “Ok I don’t need to buy these any more.” So that’s good.
For army building - I don’t bother with dioramas. So I would only get say 5 Daleks, and one or two Stormtroopers.
Going through your archives Chefatron and came across this. Great PSA for us collectors our there! The key word is 'hobby'. There are too many abusing their advantages and it's definitely hurting the community across the globe. With all the retail exclusives, we should be helping each other and not gouge or rip each other off. This is the main reason why this hobby is hitting sky high prices and if we were to help each other out instead of hoard, I bet we'd see much more favourable price points. Thanks for the discussion my man!
thanks so much and very well said bro :-)
I buy double or triples normally will be because of the fear of damaging or losing parts.
I do if it's a figure I really like and with Transformers, I can always display them in different modes. Or I like to army build but not if they are out of my budget.
I ABSOLUTELY !ove these topi videos please do more so it goes people some thinking about figures a d whatever. Id love a video on STAR WARS HOXARDING JUST TO THROW IT INTO. A
Pile of others but this person buys them to keep others from having THEM.
thanks bro! hopefully i can come up with more discussions in the future :-)
For me my hoarding comes from not having the things as a child, that I have as an adult. I'm a family guy with a decent job and after tending to my household , I have to reach out to my inner child. Having the means to make the purchase or waiting on that preorder is a rush. It's like gambling the thrill of winning or losing it all. Once I have anything in storage, I loose interest and want some more. But the reduction in scale and quality in transformers has me on the fence about future collecting. I wonder if theirs somebody out there feeling me or maybe I'm just weird like that. Thanks Chef!
oh no man, you're not alone. this is so true. thanks for sharing :-)
@@chefatron thank you brother. 💯
Definitely with you there. I love Transformers but the higher cost and lower quality, especially with all the hollow parts, I'm debating whether or not I want to get newer figures even if they do represent the characters better than figures I already have. I'm pretty happy with my collection except for a few figures that I still need but once I get those figures or someone makes them, I'm going to just focus on displaying them and not buy anymore.
@@sidearmsalpha that's a logical move.
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
Awesome topic. Loved every word. As Dan from Toy Galaxy says... Leave one behind for the next collector. Love your channel and your passion for the hobby I’ve loved since my Dad took me to Forbidden Planet in NYC when I was 10 years old in 1981. Thank you.
thanks bro, much appreciated..
yes, that's a good rule !
awesome man ! no prob :-)
Greatly worded. I started collecting in 2015 with ML, but have opened up to others as well. The best way to put my "issue" into words is: Deprived as a child... So, now that I'm a single, childless engineer and can afford it, it's become my thing, my 'Adult Toy Collection '. Funny thing about it is that the ladies I meet don't much mind lol. And I make it clear to siblings that when I die, please give one to younger family members then donate the rest to children charities :)
thanks bro :-)
oh yes, if the lady can't accept you for who you are right now, she won't either in the future
"I think limits should be set"-
It's called the free market. YOU don't get to decide what's enough for others.
i was referring to personal limits you should set on yourself. i don't care about what you buy. i was merely suggesting a way to live a healthier life.
@@chefatron Fair enough.
When you hold to save good from scalping, you do become a scalper, but in this case your benefit isn't money, it's friendship/networking
Just stumbled on this video...Awesome.. Dude I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. Definitely worth a subscribe.
oh hey, thanks man, i really appreciate it :-)
This is it! The Podcast thing!
hahahahaha maybe so, bro. we'll see :-)
The one that surprised me the most (because army-building and reselling at sinful high prices I can understand) is the one where you want a toy, finally find it, but then keep buying it again...
I have toys I really want and may not be very easy to find. But, once I get them, that's it. Buying it again when I only wanted one would not bring me any good feeling. It is sad if people really need to get their highs from repeat buying a toy they do not need/want in the same way they did when they did not have it.
oh it happens all the time bro. it's like a drug, you keep wanting it because of the feeling you get. it took me years to get rid of that habit
Wow. I had never thought about this situation. I think I saw it exclusively as "it felt good to get a toy I did not have", so the feeling would not be expected by buying the same figure again, having to look out for new figures to get that rush again.
This side series has turn from "The Chef's Ramble Table" to "The Chef's Toy Therapy Session". Looking forward to "How To Bid Your Favourite Toy Goodbye When You Pass It Down To a Friend".
hahahaha !!!! :-)
hey, now, that's sounds like an interesting topic... let me flesh it out first... thanks for the tip brother :-)
Once again going here is getting cheap (free) but infinitely more sincere therapy. Thank you to both you sir & to you my fellow collectors/commentators. The reality of this topic goes so deep in the rabit hole. Myriad reasons for each individual that many not all are in denial of. Good luck to all of us. Peace.
oh hey, no prob, man. just glad to be of assistance :-)
so true !
I never really needed multiple figures of characters like Captain America or Wolverine unless I wanted to make sure that no matter if I lose one sell one or whatever I will always have at least one in the end. But I don't need that many dupilcates of one figure. Now comics books are a slightly different story.
I do have over 20 Stormtroopers 3.75 point each line. I always wanted to do the Emperor’s arrival scene but I got such a huge collection I can’t pull it off. On the plus side is I quite buying that line all together.
that's alright bro :-)
Awesome topic....I have family member that hoards for no purpose other than they hate throwing out or getting rid of anything.
thanks bro. wow ! really ?! reminds me of my father LoL :_)
Great video Chefatron! I agree with your definitions of hoarding/ scalping and it's my golden rule to not buy 1 or more at retail. I get a 2nd copy later to have extra copy of one's I 💘 and have back up if 1st copy gets damaged or lost.
thanks bro :-)
yes, good point
I have to disagree with the application of the ‘hoarding’ tag in conjunction with scalping, because the purpose of scalping is to winnow for a profit. The entire point of the purchase is resell it. That said, if they cannot sell it well, and end up buying more than they sell, that applies fully; this in my opinion, is the true face of hoarding. The lack of any ability to choose NOT to accumulate.
yes, perhaps.
Good points to note indeed! My urge was very high last year it was straining us financially. I'm winding down right now from TF collecting to a point. Bottom line prio what I just need instead of buying the entire Earthrise wave.
yes, tama bro.
salamat :-)
Yup. This is true in the Transformers collectors here in Manila. There are 2 persons that come to mind . Both are just hoarding to flip
hahaha i think i might know who you're speaking of. but hey, part of the game, carry-carry lang bro. kailangan natin silang unahan lagi at tulungan fellow legit collectors.
didn't realize that ss-38 had that backstory. was lucky enough to find one in sm north
congrats bro! swerte ka nakakuha ka pa :-)
I really needed to hear this and I love my collecting but yeah I agree with what you said
I get so many clones cuz I’m a clone wars kid and stuff like that but it’s expensive to maintain so I decide to limit myself of 2 of each clone if I like it enough but max 4 for 501st because they’re my favorite and blue has been my favorite color
good on you bro
thanks !
I've been hunting for a Seige Voyager Optimus Prime for so long,ever since they unveiled the Siege line, literal years in fact, but I never EVER found even one in the wild. Mga toxic talaga 'tong mga scalpers and hoarders and the practice of scalping and hoarding. Thank you Chefatron at finally diniscuss mo ang isyung ito.
no prob bro. medyo marami nang nabebenta ng siege optimus saka medyo bumaba na presyo kasi nga yung Earthrise Optimus na ang gusto ngayon. yun na mas definitive na G1 styled mas retail product. happy hunting bro!
They can solve this problem by pre-order system in toy stores to allow customers to get the figure they want, and also businesses can reduce the risk of unsold stock when they allow a buyer to hand the cash in advance of the release. I'm shocked the retailers here in my area dont do it.
many retailers out here don't do it because too many collectors back out of pre-orders and reservations out here. sad but true
@@chefatron That's easy just lock them into contract just like mobile phone deals. This will weed out the non-serious people so people like me can get the figure I want.
@@UToobUsername01 not all sellers can do that. what most do is ask for a non-fundable downpayment. but most sellers ask for a very low downpayment like 10$ of the value of the item or less, which makes it easy for a lot of joydibbers to back out
@@chefatron Ok so ID the canceller-pre-order guys and blacklist them. Problem solved. Let's say if you do it 3 times in a row you are banned from preorders. And then what you can do is is place customer feedback forms inside the boxes to send back to hasbro to guage interest in future products to minimise the risk of making things people do not want more of. Already I am seeing people whine that there are too many optimus prime re-imaginings but that is because there are so many media versions: ie comic book, cartoon, g1, re-booted g1 with modernised design etc. I think what I am suggesting is obvious stuff.
@@UToobUsername01 yes, good idea.
Well said Chefatron, thanks!!! -Scalpers, do you really make enough money to get you out of your misery..????
thanks bro :-)
yeah, i know right?
Damn this got so deep at the end, awesome commentary man
really? didn't expect it to go that way either, but thanks bro :-) much appreciated!
You need to be on a podcast!
That particular guy sounds familiar, E.Cruz. 🤣🤣🤣
hahaha, that's what my wife keeps telling me, seeing that i love to talk and tell my points on things LoL :-)
oh no, that was completely a... hypothetical situation... LoL :-)
pardon my ignorance, but how do you get on a podcast. i mean, is there a youtube sort of platform for podcasts where you can get subscriptions or ad revenue from, just thought maybe i'd quit my day job as a baker and go do something alternative ? thanks
good advice. there are times that I want to catch up will all the figures that my mom gave away for free. You are right
thanks bro :-)
My wife ask you to make this??
Lol appreciate your thoughts on this!
hahahaha :-)
no prob, thanks bro :-)
It’s a good vid bro. I will pick up figs for my buddy who’s a collector, but only things they are looking for, and are having trouble finding. And he does the same for me.
thanks bro :-)
that's pretty awesome. collectors looking out for each other
As a collector I understand if someone wants 2 or 3 of a figure( one in box and others for
display or diorama).the ones that are a pain in the ass are the scalper scum that go out and buy every single figure of a line(s) from every store in an area just to take them to flea markets or eBay to sell them at outrageous prices.
Nice video br I really want transformers bumblebee prime but my mom said I'm getting to old because I'm turning 13
As Emgo says: Remember, you don't stop playing, because you grow old - you grow old, bacause you stop playing.
@@coolcycles I know hes amazing
what???!!! that's crazy! just wait til you're old enough to get a job and a place of your own, then get the stuff you wanted back then
@@chefatron yeah
I troop build refractors, seekers, vehicons, sharkticons, sweeps, insecticons...etc usually to a level of 5-10
cool, man :-)
I found 2 cuckoos at walgreens. It was hard, but i eventually left both in the shelf. I realised it was just the hype why i felt buying it. Same with the red hulk. I already got the green hulk with the same mold. Just collect what you really want guys and be grateful on what you have.
First Last agreed. I was doing that with yo-yos sold off most of my collection and kep what I really really wanted. Similiar with my figure collection. If it wasn’t in a box then I kept it ( some boxed stuff I still have ) and other stuff I never put on a shelf so I sold it off.
oh definitely. words of wisdom there bro. well said :-)
i agree with you about fake altruism. But I am also a fan of the free market. If i WERE hasbro running a business to make money I should not care that much about who bought the items just that I can make high sales. If it's a scalper coming in before the regular customer, and it means I get the money earlier and faster, then I guess you could say it's not my problem. But I think what has to happen is toy retailers should ask the suppliers for some kind of exclusive contract to get the figure in earlier than their rival if they pay a little bit extra or make a deal where they keep the toys longer on shelves to help the toy company. Space is limited in stores so toy company needs to look at the competitor toy makers as muscling in on their marketshare when their toys fill up the shelves and push their own toy off the shelf. So the toy company need to discuss to the retailer what ways they can help them out in a competitive market. Transformers are one of those action figure lines that appeal to wide range of ages. The best ones are the masterpiece collection but the big ticket items and newer figures seem to be adults who remeber the comic book and tv show from the 80s. So the system needs to change if you don't want people to miss out on a character they want. How about direct order of the toy from the retailer before its out and this help save space because when the item comes in the customer can take it off the shelf immediately and save the shop space? Things like this are how to make both customer happy and the toy company and the retailer.
yes, very well said ! and very good points, thanks :-)
I don't see why people hoard. I was collecting partially for the high but that feeling is completely gone. Now I only get things that catch my eye. No hunts or anything. I'll buy less than 10 figures this year. Most likely 4. I tend to burn out on things. I may be done collecting altogether by next year.
indeed.
nice insight.. and wow youre also from the Philippines
actually the guy who gets from playkit makes a good 15% profit off it. no receipt sale.
he's actually up to 30% now. a reliable source told me.
Distribution will be at the ff areas ....
@@adobolamb hahahaha :-)
@@chefatron shhhhh. shhhhh. kumukuha rin ako noon. hehehe. mga KO.
@@adobolamb hahaha :-)
Hoarding and even finding figures is going to get really hard now with this corona virus pandemic
Especially exclusives
Shipments are going to be backed up and delayed etc
It's going to be real hard
Like hear in jersey the new red hulk and the frank miller black widow are no where to be found
No target or Walmart has it
It's going to be a rough year for collectors
Not if you pay for your figures in toilet paper.
perhaps
Would the custom\modding be considered hoarding as well? Just thinking about the recent seekers the Rain Makers and how that could be used to create a indirect form of hording. A customiser\modder may want to buy multiple packs of the Rain Maker sets to create different variants of seekers seen or not seen in all series. Or even multiple Optimus Primes to make Nemesis Prime or Dark Mirror Optimus Prime. Even multiple collecting a figure to make a custom that was never done to it before, just to make a variety of different custom characters. Kind of like taking the Prowl mold and making your own Blue Streak, Smokescreen or generic Autobot soldier.
oh i'm not sure...
Yeah, I kinda hate scalpers, they make buying C3PO for a reasonable price impossible. I might as well buy an import figure at they prices they list him at.
yeah it sucks bro, but usually, these scalpers just end up with a ton of overpriced supposedly rare and in-demand items that after a month or two they start unloading them cheap LoL :-) karma
amazing vid man. Do you recommend the earthrise optimus prime.
Yes!!! It is amazing. It’s a smaller version of a Masterpiece Prime. Worth the money. 👍
watch my review
thanks :-)
See, thats why I hate store exclusives too because it causes a manufactured hoarding. I would love to get my hands on a siege Ratchet, but I cant find it locally and Im not schilling out more than retail on ebay for it. I’ll wait for the next inevitable Ratchet to be released.
yes same here bro
But I’ll need all of these pill bottles. AaI NEED THEM ALL
Scalpers are the plague of this hobby. Those crooked bastards buy up all of a particular figure, and sell it at an exorbitant price. I say collect because you genuinely love the hobby and help other collectors whenever you can in their collecting endeavors. That’s the true joy of all this. And for real for real, I only need to collect what I like. Some things I’m going to miss out on and I’m not gonna stress over that.
I've been buying 4 of each Transformer, lately. One for my son, one to keep MISB, and 2 to open so that I can display it in both vehicle and robot mode. Am I a hoarder? LOL!
Bob Smith probably
whoa! that's incredible !
Great video, great discussion.
thanks very much :-)
That is one of the reasons why I'm trying to stop. I have no way of selling them later either.
that's cool, man
Plastic crack is a real addiction. I only need 1 of each, except the carbonized versions. I have not wanted to go down that hole. Also the hunt is part of the collecting process.
yes, indeed.
This makes me think of Toy Galaxy’s Dan and his Boba Fett collection 😂
sorry, i've never heard of him. might google him later
🤔Well said. 😎👍
thanks bro :-)
hoarding==yup uso nga yan dito sa manila :( pagdating mo sa landmark/SM wala na talaga
minsan, konti lang stocks talaga, tapos indemand yung laruan kaya ubos agad. pero and nakakabwiset yung andami-daming stocks na naka-display, tapos makikita mo may papasok na "collector" tapos bibilhin lahat :-/
I agree man! Hoarders are selfish people.
thanks bro :-)
I only get TF gens. Prime Wars Trilogy and War for Cybertron Trilogy 6 Figures at the same time!
I always learn from TF Legends Mobile Game when a Player gets 4 reward cards(Autobots or Decepticons), plus a chance to get 2 special cards(Optimus Prime and Bumblebee or Megatron and Starscream) in the Special Events based on the G1 Episodes and Comics respectively!
TF Battle Tactics takes place where Player choose 4 indivitual characters or 2 characters and 1 combiner, against the other player!
Marvel Legends are good and I'm not Hoarding this Figures! But I loved Marvel's Contest of Champions Mobile Game!
That's why I learned from Marvel, where the Multiverse takes place in the 1st Secret Wars started!
awesome bro !
I see my wife throwing my treasures away when I'm gone i probably need to leave them to a nerd i know.
hahaha
I told my kids to sell of everything in my collection when I'm gone
The thing I hoard is Harlan Ellison (legendary story writer) works, which includes his anthologies, comics, and his DVD. I have a collection of 38 pieces of his works and it took 10 years to find the first piece, which was I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Btw here is a joke about wanting to take your earthly things with you after death... A rich man wants to take all his money with him to heaven, so he buys it all in gold bars and gets buried with it. He then walks up to the gates of heaven with all the gold bars and an angel says, "Oh great, you brought some pavers for the road". ;)
hahahaha good one bro ! :-)
transformers siege trilogy and that's it for me. no doubles..........Reflektor????
yeah that is why i really streamed line...if multiple companies have license to a particular IP i just stick to one brand USA......transformers is #1....i only keep 1 carded of a character i really like and keep one loose which is not to many....you either keep everything you collect carded or everything loose...it can't be both so another word can't have doubles of everything.....i prefer loose..
cool, bro. good point
Another thing: I kinda dropped out of the macross toy collecting scene after the toys became obscenely hard to obtain. I just said one day "screw this crap I am going to sink my money into gaming" and I feel a lot of stress has been lifted from it. Bandai deliberately makes it hard for people to get by as a method to icrease demand and save on the risk of unsold stock so it causes scalpers and "army builders" to go and buy more than their share which only compaounds the problem for the normal people who just want 1 of the thing. I feel like whoever is scalping or hoarding you are the problem for fans of the toys who get angry that they can't find anything. You are not heroes saving the world. If you want to save something and help you might be better off donating to the poor or helping people in the community not buying up all the optimus prime figures and making me cry because it's so hard to find. Oh BTW I never once saw a Siege Springer figure in my local retailers and that was the one I really wanted. I had to rely on some random guy to buy it for me on amazon and then it was only because he was on the way to my house when I sold a older transformer. (it was convenient because he was already getting stuff there) Now imagine if this random guy didn't want to assist in "the hunt" and I couldn't get the figure? You would have deprived me of the toy and I would eventually at some point give up altogether and miss out. So although you don't need therapy (it's a free market you can do what you feel) don't think that buying up everything is helping. The random guy who doesn't have time to search every store will eventually spend all his money elsewhere and then hasbro will lose customers in the long run once those guys abandon trying to find the figures. Now we do live in the age of the internet so it's easy to get them online but the retailer suffers and when they don't stock anymore toys due to perceived lack of interest, it will hurt you too when you go to the retail because they have limited space and will only stock what sells the best in order to stay afloat. (space is limited so things that sell bad have less space devoted to them)
My solution is customers need to pressure retail to have preordering system for specific things and then pay a little bit more than a regular customer for the service of garuanteeing the character they want. This way it eliminates risk. And the regular customer never has to worry about the scalper buying it all up before they get there. I think if retailers knew more about their customers that would also help. Some are still stuck in a 1990s mindset.
wow! i feel you bro.
i had no idea toy hunting can get so difficult and crazy out there
@@chefatron Yes it can in countries when the trip to each retailer is quite far. I alwsy rings up the store before I arrive to see what characters are there. It's annoying but better than getting there and realising they only have 10 characters of the one you got ages ago.
@@UToobUsername01 yeah, i totally get you man
I say f**c it hoard toys till they fade away their color and the spare guns and plastic come in handy when new ones break
There is a toy set I wish to have, I wish hoarders will sell some at a price I can afford, before I die. hehehe Jolibee Standees.
hahaha :-)
Wise words friend
thanks bro :-)
I hate scalpers. Honestly, it's evil in the deadly sin of greed and gluttony. I would be so ashamed of myself and will feel bad for those decent people who are trying to collect healthily. Pure evil...
I hear ya man... agree
If you can't introduce each of your little plastic friends to at least one person, ...
Or hoarding 500 boba fetts...
I had to sell some stuff
that's cool man :-)
Great speech._.Anyway let me know when you are willing to sell me your colection for a few dollars to increase relationships.
thanks bro :-)
Instead of worrying about how many toys somebody buys, you should make a video about toilet paper hoarders. Sheesh!
i can't really relate to that since toilet paper is not being hoarded in my country.
I spend a unhealthy amount of money on toys but I can say NO. If its not special to myself I don't get it, if its a repaint I pass. This new earthrise Optimus looks to much like the cybertron Optimus, i got cybertron one for G1 robot mode. I don't need the trailer, i passed. There is hope for me...
yes, indeed, bro :-)
And is it just me or has the action figure collector community become more toxic in the last couple years?
Antonimo Bay how so?
Scalpers galore, fig swappers, I’ve been cheated on deals, intolerance for newer collectors. Every collector group I was ever apart of on Facebook gradually became a septic tank.
perhaps
I don't really understand this video. You are seemingly butthurt because you think ppl have too many figures of a character? I hate scalpers just like any collector. But the premise to me is flawed. If i have a kenner superpowers superman, a mattel superman, and a mcfarlane superman to me that means I am a superman fan and enjoy collecting that memorabilia. If i buy a mcfarlane superman everytime i see one and have a pile of 50 of them in the corner yeah that could be hoarding but i have never heard or seen anything remotely close to that in decades of collecting. Army building is a whole other can of worms but usually that is reserved for a Grunt or generic solider type figure ( i.e. stormtrooper) you state as much, but again you implore ppl to stop. This is a hobby and done for entertainment. Its not like hoarding toilet paper or medicine the public needs. I'd like to think you are coming from a good place but everyone is different and you can't police what they buy or how they buy it.
I wish i found a detailed video like this before i moved to a different state
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
thanks for having my back, bro. yeah, haters will hate, sadly...
I was reading comments below after you really did a great job breaking down some valid points. But some of these comments by the horrible people in this world just piss me off. Hope those people read this. Don’t comment on any RUclips channel if your a damn troll. Chef put together a great topic and some of you try to trash him. Why? Because you have serious issues? Sad! That’s what’s wrong with some people. Great topic Chef. And sorry for those people that just love to hate on others because the hate their own crappy life. I had to vent. Because I see the love and passion you put into it. All the best.
What were the meanies saying?
oh hey thanks for having my back bro, much appreciated :-)
well, haters will hate... the perks of being a youtuber LoL :-)