They definitely broke this one! Can you make broad conclusions about driver stability?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- There is always a lot of debate about the stability of AMD drivers. Today I respond to a viewer asking me to look into the AMD driver issues in the older Fallout games, which have once again exploded in popularity after the massive success of the Fallout TV series.
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6800XT here and all I did to fix the problem was toss an older d3d9.dll file into the main folder for New Vegas (just replayed it last month). I think it's an legacy DX9 issue. Didn't have to do a driver rollback or overhaul.
You go up
You shouldnt have to do that though, games should just work. Realistically speaking though i have a 4070 Ti and NV crashes for me every 15 min, or atleast it did for me 15 years ago. Its worse with AMD for sure and thats a common thing for a old games on Radeon. But im will to throw Bethesda under the bus here because i KNOW how trash their games to run. Hell till recently i wasnt even able to get FO4 to run on ANY modern GPUs
@@Angel7black Microsoft isn't doing anyone any favours here either. I have games that I can only get to run with features only available on Windows Pro (compatibility modes) and sometimes extra registry hackery is needed on top. And this is regardless of GPU vendor. AMD doesn't have the QC resources Nvidia does (in fact all of AMD's CPU, NPU, FPGA, chipset and GPU engineers combined are less than Nvidia's) so a bit of roughness around the edges is to be expected. That said: a whole lot of trouble can be avoided by habitually setting the compatibility mode to the OS the game was originally launched on.
Yeah blame Microsoft, LOL. You AMD fans...
@@Angel7black Sir I had some Nvidia GPUs, in total I've had on past 3 Nvidia GPUs and 2 AMD GPUs recently and playing with Nvidia GPUs some old games still requiere of try to fix DirectX libreries or microsoft visual C++ libraries sometimes are requiered to get the game working, and it isn't clic play and play. Nope. In AMD it happens similar. Some games works others it doesn't work. Nvidia it's true it may work better because it was and it is the dominant brand. Developers priorice Nividia GPUs and Nvidia has more economy and workers if I'm not wrong...
This issue is resolved with DXVK. It’s highly advised to use it on all gpus, but especially with AMD. I saw very significant gains with my nvidia card as well as excellent stability. This is due to the engine for new Vegas being extremely flawed, but not to deflect from the fact that AMD broke functionality for a decade old game.
F3/NV run well on the Async version of Dxvk.
@@kalidesu Yes, for NV I recommend the DXVK mod that’s part of the Viva New Vegas mod list, as it comes with a preconfigured configuration file. ASYNC is now supported in the latest DXVK versions, but it has to be enabled.
I had crashes on FNV and F3 on both my 6950XT and 2080Ti. The older Fallout games need stability mods in order to be played unfortunately. Viva New Vegas + Wabbajack seems to fix the vast majority of the issues leaving me with only 1 crash on a 60+ playthrough on my 6950XT.
I started replaying Fallout games from Fallout 1 and 2 first and I had no problem with Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas and later Fallout 4 (with next gen update). I skipped Fallout 76.
Edit: With an RTX 4080!
@@PeterPauls What launcher did you play it on? Some launchers like GOG include stability mods pre-installed.
F3 ran smoothly on my 3060 laptop
@@adlibconstitution1609 I usually play with minimal gameplay and overhaul mods, but I doubt those seriously impacted stability. It's also possible that NVIDIA drivers improved since I played. Probably a bit of both to be honest.
@@EpicGamer718 Steam.
With how buggy Bethesda games are I am not sure it's AMD's fault and not Bethesda.
People just don't know any better FO3, NV, Oblivion ETC. All require mods to function properly in fact I don't think Oblivion will even launch properly without fixes Edit: Also if you played on GoG version you've already proven my point. Because that version incorporates some of the bug fixes. Most notably the 4gb ram patch.
@@FantomMisfit i can play FO3 with no mods just fine as long as im not using any 24.x.x drivers......
The testing using the newer then older driver being the solution is a clear and obvious indication the issue is the drivers.
It’s amd it’s a known problem if you go to 11.1.23 the game works fine on AMD drivers
That's some hardcore fanboy copium. The game wasn't updated, just the driver.
Somehow 2024 drivers have been getting progressively worse for me (6800XT). A couple of examples:
- AMFM only worked when it was initially released, but not on any subsequent driver version
- As of 24.5.1 Baldur's Gate 3 is unplayable on DirectX 11 - video driver crashes every few minutes
- Older games are hit and miss - used to have a lot of issues with Fallout 4, but amazingly the next gen patch seemed to fix those
- New Vegas does not work on any recent driver version (unless you do that old d3d9.dll in the game folder thing, which you shouldn't have to)
I have 24.3.1 driver, no issues with AMFM on RX6600.
I had zero issues, AMFM works like it should, but some older games don't like widescreen resolutions. It is not driver related, more like old games don't support certain resolutions
I've had that BG3 issue in the past, might have to try Vulcan in that case 7800XT/7900XTX more likely. Sounds like DX9 is missing for New Vegas that dll is adding that I believe. I left dual boot Windows for Nobara Linux, Steam GE &/ Bottles have been enough for me to not go back both AMD & Nvidia. I get what you're saying with the drivers getting worse in Windows, around AMFM there was a driver that messed up Overwatch 2 for a day, I just didn't bother playing on that GPU at all seriously, was a bummer. 4090 has been less of a headache/troubleshooting. Nobara has been solid on AMD for me mostly tested the 7800XT on WoW. I don't miss the Windows AMD driver issues though, last year especially was awful.
Sounds like a you problem
i play on the lastest drive and never had problem with fallout 4 without the next gen patch
Fallout New Vegas was crashing on my 3080 as well, I had to download a mod for it 😅😅
Thanks for you checking your emails to make videos about issues people are actively facing. Also, your next video will be your 1000th!
Guys, stop coping in the comments. AMD fixing the drivers is a better thing dor everyone. You don't need to defend anyone.
Amen brother. We should be loyal to ourselves and not to any particular company. I too am looking to build a pure AMD machine but it is due to the fact that Ryzen 7 7800x3D is the best gaming CPU and Rx7900 GRE is the best value 1440p card (alongside RTX4070 Super but I will prefer more VRAM over upscaling tech), and not because I am an AMD fan.
@@riichobamin7612 samee i have a ryzen 7 5800x and im gonna get a 7900 gre aswell!! Your pc should be really really good man keep it up! ❤
No no you don't understand...this parts vendor is a cause, not just a component manufacturer! /s
@@D1smo_ hallelujah.
Im still waiting on AMD to fix their drivers for OpenMW
Coming from nVidia to AMD. I can say I have noticed a difference of stability and regularly had bugs and crashes with various games which was not the case with nVidia.
It was cheaper yes but I am not sure I would do it all over again.
never do it again, its never worth the price difference
BS... never had a crash in the middle of a game in a while unless I tamper to do something else on my desktop in windows while the game is running in the background.
Funny because I went from my 2060 to a 7700xt and have had way less driver issues. My 2060 always had some kind of issue with a game but not the 7700xt.
7800xt here, no issues. But i did do a full Windows reinstall and updated all drivers.
this has to do with game updaters not drivers. world of tanks, world of warship, war thunder, call of duty, armed warfare. they have always had problem with updating their game for amd drivers. you get what you want. i'd have to roll back drivers all the time and have to wait for the next update to update amd drivers.
I didn't have any issues with fallout 4 or even the original Fallout on a 6900xt
My 6900 xt won't run 3 or new vegas hot fix has been pending for a month
It only affects fallout 3 and new Vegas.
fallout 4 is fine it's the older games where you have to use a mod from nexus to make the game run.
Are you that dense?
@@DesmondsGameplays you're very upset, I like it!
I spent an afternoon getting ENB mods and tale of two wastelands to work. There are some extra steps to get compatability for AMD, like dirext x to vulcan options, or a proper d3d9.dll. But yeah, everythign has a chance of working less effectively on their hardware for older stuff...and emulation.
Also if you get past the first load screen crash on FNV, all the characters in the game would not have any hair or hats!
I had to go in and change the DLL file to do it without reverting back drivers
@@stonkyboy7606 Well, that explains everything. I removed all modified dlls I was using to make the game more smooth and stable, and all hairs and beards (but not hats) disappeared. It's definitely a driver issue, like AMD forgot to apply a workaround they used before or something, and that caused the issue in newer drivers.
This comment section is full of pure copium
I used to be able to play the game fine, can’t tell which driver it was but I updated and then could never play the game on my 6700xt. Ended up switching to team green…
Yeah, I have RX 6700XT. They publish a new update that fixes a few games, but at the same time it ruins other games xd. It's so irritating.
I have an RX 7600 and a 7900 XT both of them don't launch fallout 3 and fallout New Vegas. I haven't even tried fallout 4 yet on PC. It's probably an AMD issue but also it could be Bethesda. Like your viewer said on the email mine also reaches the menu and then crashes to the desktop.
I replayed 4 on my 7800X3D and 7900XT a couple of months ago, no issues on my end. Well, aside from Bethesda's "Next Gen" update breaking the old workaround for the game's frame rate cap, but I got the new one working eventually.
Need to go to pre 24.1 to be able to play them pretty flawlessly. I use 23.x drivers and they both work flawlessly.
Edit: Fallout 4 works flawlessly, just 3 and New Vegas have issues
I have a 7900 XT and played Fallout 4 with the high res texture pack. No problems.
If you have CPU with integrated graphic (amd or intel, doesn't matter) use a mod from nexus Intell bypass, it fixes crashed on the start up and starting new game. Just checked Fallout 3 on newest AMD drivers and it works as before, no issues. You may probably need few stability mods too, i've always using mods with Fo3 to play properly till 2010, and i mostly played on laptops with Nvidia gpu and cpu with integrated graphic, always same issues untill i fixed them with mods
@@Andrew_Li_O that mod doesn't work for me i followed all the steps
I just tested the games as well on my RX 7900 XTX. Both crash. But my steam deck handles New Vegas well, so it could be interesting to test Linux driver, and maybe custom Windows driver. I sadly don't have another SSD in my PC on which I could install Linux really fast, but it could be interesting to see
I get that you'd need another ssd with enough space and ext4. Were I to test it, I would likely try Nobara Linux (been great to me on both 4090 & 7800XT) with my 7900XTX and using Bottles, likely it's a DX9 dll compatibility from what was said above, so Windows is missing a dependency. Bottles has been great for me in installing dependencies, getting dumb bnet launcher to update mostly in my experience (Steam Compatibility also worked fine but broke in an update for what I was using). Since it's working on the Steam Deck I think it likely will work under Proton GE 9-5 or something recent for staging. Win64 Gaming Bottle GE 9-5 probably would work.
@@dianaalyssa8726 I would probably go with openSUSE Tumbleweed, I think a lot like Fedora so maybe that, debian is as far as I know stable or something like that. Yeah, I also saw that with DX9 dll but didn't try it yet. I also don't have it on steam. I have it on Gog, and did run it there, so maybe that also made a difference on Linux. I use Proton GE 8-27, which I didn't really choose myself, was just set for me and it works
@@dianaalyssa8726 I actually would have tried it with something like openSUSE Tumblewood, debian or Fedora (this seems to be a very popular one at the moment)
I also looked at which proton GE version I use on Heroic Launcher on New vegas. It is Proton GE 8-27. Not even the newest or 9-5
I didn't try the other things
Well, Linux uses DXVK, so that explains why it is working on the Steam Deck.
Forza Horizon 3 (2016) is broken on AMD (has crazy flickering) ,latest drivers that work with it are some ones from 2022 (but after about ~15m game crashes,on old drivers),they partially fixed it (reduced it A LOT,so that it happens only in the menus) on 24.5.1 (after sending a BEEFY report about it) but still not fully fixed hopefuly next driver ver. fixes it,but I moved to FH4 & 5 for now...Also the issue is VERY WELL KNOWN on Forza community,but AMD did nothing it's been like this for almost 3 YEARS!!!!! So again I hope they fully fix it with next drivers...
Does that issue still occur, lmao. Remember that I got so frustrated with it and uninstalled the game 1.5 years ago. DXVK is also a no-go since the game is UWP...
@@Koffiato not fully fixed but ,happens only in menus on 24.5.1 i uninstalled as well
Works in Manjaro Linux with an RX6800. :) Generally, backwards compatibility with old games has become way better in Linux than Windows due to how Proton relies on DXVK. Although one can argue that it's the fault of AMD drivers, I think it's a near impossible task to validate legacy support for hundreds of thousands of games, especially those that are 15+ year old with bespoke engines. Even Windows is starting to struggle with backwards compatibility without external compatibility measures. I think you can replace the old d3d9.dll to make the game run correctly in Windows.
AMD did an update to their X3D chipset driver which deals with 3D V-cache optimizer... I dont know if it improves performance or something.
it's surprising how many people don't check for chipset drivers, controllers and Motherboard bios ect. they just update their GPU and call it a day.
@@AbysmalEnd That's me. I haven't updated my 5800X3D chipset drivers for nearly two years because I haven't run into any performance issues.
But maybe I should??
@@AbysmalEnd well since intel owns the market and windows does it for them, its not surprising
@@AbysmalEnd I check for drivers almost daily haha
@@AbysmalEnd But if you own an Inte, NVIDIA setup it just works you boys do a hell of a job telling everyone to just buy AMD and when they do there's always issues. And before you say but I haven't had any issues you people are AMD's biggest problem instead of making them address the problems with their cards you try and mask them and tell people to spend hard earned money with AMD only to get burned.
A month ago I made a pc to give to my cousin with a 3050 in it.. to make it play fallout 4 without crashing within like 5mins I had to turn off some enhanced particle option and turn the shadows down a notch.. apparently that'd been a problem since the 20 series where newer nvidia cards just can't do some of the effects properly and if you just try to run the game at ultra on nvidia it doesn't just work. This was the GOG version of the game (they don't have internet access most of the time) and that is still the non updated version that doesn't break all the mods.
The 24.5.1 drivers are also unstable for me. CoD is basically unplayable and I had to revert to 24.4.1, which is not perfectly stable but much better.
This one really sticks in my craw. I have to revert to 2023 drivers to play New Vegas, or, stream it to my desktop from my Steam Deck.
not sure if its AMD related or Linux related but Fallout 76 is a struggle to get to run at more than 15fps on my 7900XTX, after a lot of messing with Lutris i got the game to run at "70+" fps but it feelt like garbage. I was rubber banding so much it started to give me a head ache. could have been a really bad server in game but idk i stopped trying to get it to work after that.
I had the same problem just try with windows mode instead fullscrean btw this dude is a AMD heater
You should try to uncap the fps and I also set the minimum frequency to be 100 mhz less than the boost frequency and it’s been running well on 76
@@churro54 Uncapping did nothing cant tweak clocks on Linux as far as im aware
Bro why do you use lutris in the year of our lord 2024? Proton works 100 times better through steam / non-steam games. Also you could tweak directx and renderer settings to translate to Vulkan, OpenGL etc...
@@justzac8467 I have a 7900XT and zero problems. Have you tried running it via Steam? You can add it as a non-steam game and run it via Proton from Steam directly.
It's even worse with less known games, such as Cossacks 3.
Since the release of 22.5.1 drivers version you cannot play with more than 4 players or on map bigger than normal. AMD stayed in recent 24.3.1 patch notes some issues within Cossacks are worked around, yet this and younger drivers didn't fixed the main issue with a hard cap on player numbers/ map size on their GPUs. The relevant topic on support forum is signed as "solved"
Thank you Daniel. You are one of the few reviewers that mentions AMD drivers issues. 2024 drivers have destroyed all the progress that AMD did in the last years for all games not only New Vegas.
I have the same problem with fallout 4, but I can just alt+tab and select the fallout 4 window and it works just fine. Im using a 7900xtx and windows 11, latest drivers.
Strange. I Can normally play Fallout 4 with newest drivers on Windows 10 and RX 6800 XT
He couldn't replicate the FO4 issues either, finish the video
He is just an nvidia fanboy, those are actually fallout issues.
I've been playing a ton of fallout 4 for the past few months, and no issues for me on the old 1.10.163 patch, or the "next gen" patch. I'm guessing the commenter was having a separate issue that just so happened to be concurrent with the amd driver issue with the older fallout games.
@@patrickjames3321Daniel is literally one the most objective tech channels out there 😂😂
@@zeNUKEify nope
can confirm. had to rollback to the last 23.x.x driver in order to play new vegas or fo3. didnt have any issues with 4 even recently.
I have had crashing issues in Fallout 4 on NVIDIA GPUs when the "Weapons Debris" option is enabled in the graphics setting in the game, if I set this to OFF, no problems, but I've had issues on RTX 30 and 40 series when this option is turned on in the settings.
Right! But in that case it's of course Bethesda's fault, nVidia does nothing wrong. :)
@@chrissoclone faxs actually, ask the cod players or helldivers how amazing amd gpus are
@@chrissoclone I only say this to confirm the idea that perhaps it's a game issue, not necessarily driver issue. I currently have an RTX 4090, and I was going to do a new Let's Play of Fallout 4, in setting it up again I was constantly getting crashing after a few minutes of gaming, I remembered that turning off the Weapons Debris option fixed this issue for me in the past, so I tried it again, and sure enough it worked, leaving that option OFF the game runs fine on my RTX 4090, but with it ON, game crashes after a few minutes, it actually freezes and then crashes to desktop. I also had this issue on RTX 30 series GPUs, and maybe even RTX 20 series. It has existed for a long time, so I tend to err on the side of it being a game bug rather than drivers, since drivers have changed a lot over time.
@@JusticeGamingChannel Yeah, I got that. With Bethesda games I wouldn't blame anyone but Bethesda first. :)
You are wrong, nVidia has never ever no driver issues, you are just imaging things. Or if it´s driver issue its AMDs fault on your nVidia GPU. (PS started to play FO4 b4 the show and 0 probs on 6800XT and all other games)(another idea- maybe don´t DL all the broken beta BIOS, Win and driver updates. There´s a good ´ol saying- if its not broken, don´t fix it)
Fallout 4 rund fine but New Vegas keeps crashing on boot 😢
same. I managed to get New Vegas running perfectly following the VIVA new vegas page step by step until the overhaul section
AMD has had driver issues even back in 2004-2006 that is why I switched from ATI to NVIDIA and never will go back again. Never had an issue since then. My friends who still buy AMD always have some strange bugs and driver issues. But who doesn't want to learn can't be helped.
It's definitely not AMD it's DX9 issues, it happens on Nvidia as well.
DX9 always causes stuttering on Nvidia cards in New Vegas. Honestly, dxvk 2.3.1 solved most of my issues alongside the standard mods like tick fix.
I got my 5700XT when it released and it had a driver issue that couldn't be fixed even when reformatting windows. The card would randomly make all of the monitors disconnect for 5-10 seconds. Needless to say I thought it was still probably worth the money. Gonna sound REALLY nerdy here, but trying to open RPG maker MV, a really basic sprite based game engine with the drivers/card was impossible. It was a known issue and never fixed. Instant crash, and I was seeing people mention it. So I bought a 2080 super when I could after re-slotting my old 9080ti and it was smooth sailing. Just one of many AMD issues for me lol
Oh yeah, I wanted to replay FO3 a month ago and had to reroll to Nov.23 drivers for character creation. Stupid. BUT afaik the reason for crashing is character creation (generating facegen data), once you're done with it you should be able to install the latest drivers again. Which also makes me think there's something funky within the game engine going on.
HOWEVER, time for the usual whataboutism, nVidia did the same for my then-favorite game Neverwinter Nights 2, took them about a year or so to fix too. And let's not forget nVidia cards crash when weapon debris is enabled in FO4, but that's surely Bethesda's fault.
I think only RTX cards crash.
@@korinogaro ok, didn't know that. But nowadays I assume that means most NV cards.
@@korinogaro No it seems just random. I heard of it but it didn't effect my 3080ti when I recently reinstalled to get ready for Fallout: London so I didn't bother getting the mod for it.
Nvidia couldn't fix shadow flickering in Watch Dogs 2 on RTX cards for years (people finally found a workaround few weeks ago), also didn't fix Watch Dogs Legion drones + ray tracing crashes that started to happen more than a year ago on newer drivers. What probably happens in cases like this one is Nvidia (or AMD) changed something in their drivers to optimize them and forgot to apply older workarounds, while developers stopped working on the game a long time ago, so they can't provide a no DRM build in time to debug the issue. So I would blame both sides.
I also have crashing issues playing CoD MW3 on anything later than 23.12.1. It's quite unpredictable as well, it could happen in the first match, or I can play for multiple matches before it randomly crashes.
can I ask are using a k series processor or amd? Just wondering as people i know are having issues with both cards on intel and I don't play this game but anything unreal engine I am having issues with 13th gen. Probably less since updating MB bios.
My friend have problems with first Witcher when he had RX580 after some driver update game started to random crash or cap at 20fps now he have 6700XT and pretty much entire new PC and this issue is still there.
Amd can't fix their drivers for Detroit become human for 1.5 year. On the rx 7000 the game runs with a lot of stuttering and poor performance, while on the 6000 it works fine.
I actually very much disagree with your statement that it would be hard to track which company has better driver support. Its actually not hard. In fact I can do it right now on a whim.
Anti Lag+ got everyone who used it banned
Ratchet and Clank Ray Tracing was completely disabled for all AMD GPUs due to driver issues
VR on RDNA 3 was borked for months
Helldivers 2 borked for weeks if not months on AMD
Fallout 4 refuses to work for hundreds if not thousands of AMD GPUs.
All of these issues are only within the last year alone btw. There. Did your job for you because RUclipsrs seem to be VERY reluctant to actually call out AMD for their bullshit.
Does the unofficial patch not fix amd driver issues?
Yes, *unofficial patch* made by modders to fix issues that AMD can't be bothered to.
7900 XT user here. Fallout 3 and 4 are the only games that have given me real problems on AMD since switching last year. Most of the time it's as stable if not more so than Nvidia when I last used them (2080 TI) or it takes 5 seconds to fix it. That has happened to me on Nvidia too though. There were some VR issues too but those got fixed a year ago.
Fallout 3 also crashes to desktop for most people if you don't do some trickery with dlls, and not just for AMD users. It's a Bethesda thing.
Reminds me of my dreadful 5700xt and its constant issues like stuttering in certain dx12 games. Kinda hilarious how I was told to disable so many important features or even replace my psu. My 3070 has been flawless since I got it back in 2020.
AMD needs to fix their drivers. But so does Nvidia.
Nvidia's drivers are super heavy on the CPU. 30 and 40 series have a huge problem, look up driver overhead issue and you'll see. A 6600 can do much better than a 3070, ridiculous.
This could be explained by how obfuscated NVIDIA's drivers are because they really don't want anyone to know their trade secrets.
Give up your zen 1 cpu bro.
@@張彥暉-v8pfactssss
@@張彥暉-v8pyour Machinist Xeon loses to the zen.
if the title of the video was not a deliberate click bate and oil in the fire, like "FONW has some crashing issues, related mainly to AMD drivers. A letter for help to AMD". Would have been all good...
My hunch is with the backwards compatibility issue with the newer drivers since using DXVK fixes it for me and been playing FONV more than FO4 lately. AMD made a lot of updates with the driver in regards support for current Vulkan API backend as of late so I wonder if that's the case with AMD making these issues since if you rollback to 2023 drivers it is fixed.
I have an RX 6700 XT GPU in Windows 11 with 24.5.1 drivers and FONV runs fine with me as long as I'm using DXVK. To fix the BGM garbling glitch (this is not exclusive to AMD, but Windows 11) - just play a video on RUclips before starting the game after the music in-game starts you can then close the RUclips playback. I saw this fix from Reddit whose GPU is NVIDIA.
Deathloop also has a bug on some rx 6000 series cards (mostly lower end, 6600/6650xt). Every time i open the menu (esc) the game freezes for 1 solid second. This was bad enough for me to completely drop the game. I also found several reddit threads about this bug.
isn't that deathloop AMD sponsored? i remember it is their showcase game for when they first come out with FSR 2.
Freezing for 1 second on the menu was enough for you to drop the game?
I was able to solve the issues that newer AMD drivers introduced in New Vegas by installing the " Nvidia D3D9 Perf Fix " mod. Thought that I had borked my install, had the same issues without any mods - then found out it was just the driver updates.
Fallout 4 still runs just fine without updates - I run it through mod organiser so it never updates automatically.
I currently own a 4070 super, and I don't think I've ever had issues running older games. Granted I only play titles that are universally suported or overall too old for drivers to be an issue.
How long should GPUs support older games? Will there be a point where new tech is so fundamentally different from what it used to be that it will be no longer compatible with past games?
AMD has disproportionally more stability issues than NVidia and it's been that way literally for decades. I could live with it if either the GPU or game is new, but their updates routinely cause 10+ years old games to break. Also last year, they implemented some "optimizations" in a way that caused anti-cheats of multiple games to trigger (the one I've been working on at the time included, thanks for wasting my time). I hate this, I don't want to buy NVidia cards - not for that kind of money at least - but I have no use for a GPU that doesn't work. I've been using their cards for 10 years, switched like 7 years ago and I don't see myself going back any time soon unless they fire *everyone* who has anything to do with their drivers, because apparently everyone there is criminally incompetent.
this is PC specific problem. we want our games to work even with games that coming out 30 years back. a few years ago the update on windows end up breaking nvidia optimization on older games. back then nvidia said they are working with MS about the issue because they are not giving up on those optimization so it can still be included in future driver version.
I have had these problems a lot in the past. It is very possible that their memory clocks are unstable. The memory controller on the AMD cpu is usually the culprit. Without knowing exactly what his system settings, it's hard to reproduce it. Fallout in particular has a big hit with directx and emulation from the ones I have played in the past which is particularly more intensive on memory. Battlefield is another title that suffers from that with 2042 being my benchmark on overclocks on my cpu in particular. That may be something good to look into
Same with rdr2 game is unplayable rn on amd Rx 6700 XT it’s been broken for months
Yup. I've been mildly upset by AMD drivers and software since I switched almost two years ago.
I recently found a good way to explain: "Good design is invisible." The axiom is referring to User Interface and User Experience, but I find it hold true for Drivers and Software too. The drivers are something that are extremely complex, but they're only doing their job well when the User doesn't know they're there.
Most "driver problems" are the users fault, or a problem with their system, and not actually a driver problem.
The only issue i had on my son's 6800 was the missing hair. There's a .dll file on nexusmods that fixes it but the launcher says that it's running on on older nvidia gpu, so i don't know if it's a great thing for the card. Fallout 4 never gave us any problems.
Thank you for drawing attention to it. Hopefully it will encourage AMD to roll out an actual fix
i'm using 24.3.1 and i'm having no trouble whatsoever playing Fallout New Vegas and 4. Haven't tried 3 though.
Wonder if this is OS related as well. Maybe M$ added something to the updates as well that can break drivers. Maybe it's a vulnerability fix that is causing this? So much testing to be done, so few people want to test.
BTW still waiting for 470 drivers for windows on a Kepler laptop.
Questions come to mind of does it work on older versions of Windows or Linux just fine. Maybe there's a driver issue/conflict or a dependency is missing. I got tired of dealing with AMD Driver issues, left Windows for Nobara Linux, am happy personally. I checked ProtonDB - Gold rating and Steam Deck playable, some people are running with Heroic launcher & Proton GE (/Experimental) and others on modded Windows etc. Does seem like missing dlls potentially and hopefully people test and sort it out. I think Linux side people are getting it to work after some tinkering perhaps in the setup. I've found Bottles & GE Proton really good for getting missing dlls and dependencies quickly (bnet works and patches so I'm happy).
AMD drivers were TERRIBLE for DX12 EA\DICE games on the Frostbite engine for a long time. I have had my RX 6800 since March of 23 and I am a huge Battlefield player. The micro stuttering in 2042 was pretty bad for a long time, & switching to DX12 in BF1, BFV, SW Battlefront 1 & 2 would render the games basically unplayable for me. The drivers at the beginning of the year were especially HORENDUS, even 2042 was unplayable where before it might stutter for the first minute or two of a match, then it runs okayish. I think they fixed this issue with 24.2.1? Or maybe 24.3.1, but I spent a whole weekend going back and playing tons of matches in all the games I listed above and WOW do they run so damn smooth now. Just my biggest issue I have had with switching to AMD from my now dead GTX 1070. AMD can & does fix things, but I do feel like they just take a little longer then they should, but I am a happy AMD convert considering the deal I got on my card lol. Guess I'll just wait to try Fallout 3 or New Vegas until they fix this, never played any fallout but got those for free last year thanks to Epic :-D
dx12 in frostbite is basically a broken implementation, especially in older games like bfv. Didn't mater what card you had, load times increased and gameplay had hitches.
If I've read correctly Imagine that Nvidia has a mountain of workers and imagine that AMD has a little, very little mountain of workers + AMD has sections for APUs, for CPUs and for GPUs, when Nvidia just was bigger and now expanding IA stuff incresing workers, it's that I believe. AMD has less workers to get fix issues and Nvidia simply has more amount of workers or algo better workers. In another hand, AMD is clear and sincere normally, they'll say you stuff much more clear and it would try to care users and to give as much as possible technologies for long time to your card.
@@gerv55 runs buttery smooth now with the AMD drivers that improved DX12 caching. I am sure DICE could have done better, but load times have never been an issue for me other then assets taking an extra 15 seconds sometimes.
@@franciscomanuel7377 They really need to grow those departments though. Their drivers are better then they used to be, but they won't take a larger market share without improved support and actually gunning for it. I always got the feeling the only thing that is stopping AMD from being better is AMD
This is more of an Bethesda issue even on gtx 1060 there are so many issue in these old fallout games, they are unplayable without mods
2:01 For the second complaint about Fallout 4, alt/tab is your friend there.
Did AMD ever recognize their lackluster drivers? It's literally the one thing keeping me from buying an AMD card
No, they didn't, but you'll still hear, "Ha, you're still in 2010" whenever anyone complains about AMD drivers anywhere online. Those same people are the exact reason they won't fix shit, they don't need to.
I've had 5 AMD gpus over 10 years now, and always heard those driver problems claim, but never in all these years i enconter them, usually some game breaking update is released and i have to find a game specific fix on reddit, otherwise never had a issue
i like amd cpus but not gpus...gpus are another beast i don't like.
Same here, got 4 gpus from AMD, sure the driver with shader cash problem was dull..but other than that, 0 problems. 7900xt, 5700xt, RX570 4gb, and 6700xt.
so both of you encountered issues with AMD GPUS.
"usually some game breaking update is released and i have to find a game specific fix on reddit, otherwise never had a issue"
searching for a fix on reddit? that shouldnt happen, you shouldnt have to fix anything, especially not on a regular basis and it sounds like you have/had to do this more than once.
and then "sure the driver with shader cash problem was dull..but......."
if game breaking bugs are affecting one GPU vendor more than another one, its a problem. And what about the shader cash problem? I guess its about shader "cache"? what happened there? the incredibly high standby powerdraw of the 7000 series etc. were some of the newest problems I have in mind.
It's just popular to hate AMD.
AMD are really good for game support since I got my graphics card. There's nothing special about Nvidia with game drivers because they have as many issues
I've only had issue in the past with game update breaking crossfire for AMD & most recently windows messing up S.L.I in an update. I've yet to ever have a complete driver problem in the last 20+ years.
This is the main reason why I still stick with Nvidia on my gaming PC. My old EVGA GTX 1080 is still running like a new Toyota with no issues whatsoever.
I switched from Nvidia to AMD last year, and it's insane how much my stability was impacted, especially for new releases. My Nvidia laptop is rock solid in the same games.
And it's not just bleeding edge games: apparently WoW classic has been crashing for months (a year) before the latest update purports to fix it.
I dread AMD driver updates due to them breaking random games. Just installed the latest this week and FFXIV immediately crashed.
Don't update every time new ones come out 😅😅 also I don't have issues on my 7900XTX 😜
@@adi6293 I wait a long time between updates, but some recent games could use optimization. And this isn't something I ever worried about on nVidia. AMD just breaks things.
@@HappyHubris I honestly think it's down to luck 😅 it's like with cars, look at nVidia's forums, they break things too, long time ago in the GTX500 they broke their fans and fried people's 590's 🤣🤣
WoW classic 2019 used to crash on my Vega 56 a lot. Switched to 3080 no problems at all.
@@HappyHubris Do you watch the channel Ancient Gameplays? He review all driver version for AMD
Ive been playing New Vegas on my 7900xtx in 3440x1440. Aside from occasional stutters game runs fine on the latest drivers. I dont know whats up. My game is heavily modded, though.
Its been running fine on my 6750xt with current drivers
Man this is exactly why I chosen to buy 4080 Super over XTX. Had bullshit driver timeouts with 5700XT all the time.
Been mostly gaming on 4090 but I did have some driver issues with 7800XT & 7900XTX that I don't miss. It might be better on Nobara Linux driver wise than Windows, I've only tested the 7800XT on WoW recently which runs fine. Avatar was almost the last straw though that made me go back to Nvidia again. And there was a day where idk what they did to Overwatch 2 in Windows 11 but it played horribly in some driver update, probably that was the last straw. Had some annoying Windows/AMD bug in WoW too impacted the 7000 series, had to use DX11. Been a few examples here and there where games crashed with/without Adrenalin recording, think the sound driver would cause the video driver to C2D. The XTX driver/experience might be better on Linux (Bottles is great for getting these games to work if it's not on Steam/Steam Compatibility breaks in an update).
Ghost of tsushima crashed several times with the new driver on rx 7800xt hellhound oc
Ghost of Tsushima is just awful on my 6700 XT. It’s the only game where I get constant crashes, and this seems to happen to NVIDIA GPUs too. The “DEVICE_HUNG” error made me stop playing the game entirely until they release a fix.
@@suppercanes It's not really an nvidia issue, I fixed it simply by downloading DDU and I did a clean driver reinstall in safe mode.
@@suppercanes GOT runs as expected on my 4080
Strange, works fine for me on my 7900 XT.
6800 here, try disable antyaliasing it fixed it for me
That's why I will go with Nvidia with my next upgrade. I have RX 6700XT now, it's so powerful and so good for my gaming, but I face an issue literally in more than 50% of the games I play. In almost every game I install Ihave to deal with finding solutions and workarounds for crashing and driver issues. I will go with Nvidia even if the price is higher because dealing with crashes and stutters in every game is so irritating. Just a few days ago I spent 2 hours trying to fix EA FC 24, which did not work until I undervolted my gpu. I want to play the game I just bought and installed, I don't want to spend 2 hours fixing and searching, and losing my hype and excitement for the game.
These severe issues point to something different than the gpu drivers. If 50% of the games are affectd. There is an inherent problem... bad overclocking / bad undervolting, strange 3rd party sodtware...
Those issues are not the gpus fault. It's something deeper.
Then your problem is either your install that is a mess because you don't use DDU, which you should do a clean install and format, or your GPU has an hardware problem. I had none of these issues with a 5700XT, a 6900XT and now an XTX.
@@evalangley3985 I had my as a new build, with a new cpu and and a new gpu and everything, so doing a clean install and everything is not relevant here. You had no issues, you're lucky, but even the shop owner and a lot of experts said to me that nvidia is usually more reliable.
Not gonna lie, another example of AMD never missing the chance to f*ck something up. You could think that with all gaming media talking how Fallout tv series pushed a huge wave of old and new players to play Fallout games, someone at AMD would try to launch Fallout games to check how this shit works.
Hehe.. and I play it on GOG and I don't watch the TV show or care too. Fallout NV(with mods) still a hell of a game.
I'm on a 1070Ti and somewhat using up to date drivers most of the time and can't remember having any driver issues.
Guess having old hardware has it's benefits.. Heheh..
Hoping Intel users aren't having the same issue.. since BM is on my radar that I may purchase next. I've seen some users playing NV on Intel 750 and seems to play well now but was a different story say a yr ago.. still need to look more sources though. I know I'll still be playing NV in the future.
interesting, i can play those 2 with the open source and the proprietary drivers on linux. What are the chances that those reports you referring to are caused by any other reason than just the driver
There is preview driver with fix for Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas issue that became available about 3 weeks or so ago. (It was released 23.05.2024... Heck, almost a month at this point).
And seems like nobody mentions this. Neither Owen, nor other commenters, which seems to be very affected and dedicated with their search for fixes.
AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 23.40.33.03
Fixed Issues and Improvements: Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas may fail to launch.
How was your new oled monitor bruh?
Too bad the viewer didn't say which graphics card he have. Because my 5700XT works flawlessly on Fallout 4.
When they gonna FIX performance metrics it didint work since new year?????????
AMD still having driver issues? Shocked!
Even Nvidia has driver problems time to time..
not "still", it happens in some games here and there
Every PCVR title seems broken now on my 7900xtx. Please visit this.
Just sold my 5700xt for a 4070 ti super, couldn't handle the shit amd drivers anymore with years of issues with basically every game at some point...
Fallout 4 works perfectly fine on AMD drivers and has done so for years(including this last patch and the one before this). Haven't even had a single crash and I played that game on several AMD GPU's throughout the years. Most recently a few weeks after the show aired. So again: Game works fine.
The main problem with fallout 4(and any Bethesda game) is that Bethesda is shit and that you need mods to fix their games.
Ps.
Also just tried starting an old (modded)(GoG) version of New Vegas I still had installed, and that too works fine for me.
I use AMD Radeon once i did no like it.
Literally paid actor
Running NVAC and NVSE fixed the startup crash on my 7900XT.
fine wine
How to test AMD driver stability: Install one of the 2024 driver versions and use it on a computer that is opened daily for 1 week (You don't even need to play games, just open a browser)
I would blame bethesda before AMD
The old fallout games always had crashing issues.
Wouldn't be a BES title. gotta have buggyness as their signature.
That is what amd users say. Works fine on nvidia
Recently fisnied new vegas again and it didn`t crash at all on nvidia.
On my 7900 XT machine, I can play Fallout 4 for almost exactly around 7 hours on the default 60 fps lock before it will consistently, and invariably crash/CTD. And I mean that I've timed it on my phone, and every time it crashes around the same point. And even more strangely enough, if I play on an uncapped 200 fps, it will crash at every three-ish hours of playtime without fail. Even the crashes seem to be timed/locked to the fps in this mess of a game...
I don't really know what to make of it. A memory leak? Some people with similar issues online have said downloading the Buffout 4 mod strangely fixes it, though sadly the mod has not been updated to the latest game release, thus is not an option at this point in time. :/
Sounds like a memory leak related to one of the frame buffers (geometry buffer, depth buffer, etc...), the more frames the game renders the more often it updates frame buffers.
You could ask your viewers to give you a list of games they have problems with for you to test. For example all very old games only play in black and white on NVIDIA but play fine in AMD
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas both these games start up and go to the loading and start new games menu but will crash to the desktop when trying to load a save game or start a new game. This happens for me with any driver newer than the December 8 th 2023 beta and newer whql from that date forward even to now. I have no trouble running Fallout 4 with any of their drivers yet. I have reverted back to the 23.8.2 version of the drivers that work fine with all the games. It is an AMD drivers failure and not the games as I am running these games as installed and unmodified vanilla versions. Yes AMD's driver team should work hard at fixing these issues. Win 10 and 6800 xt. Maybe videos like these will catch their attention and put a sense of urgency into their continued efforts. Other than this issue my gaming experiences with AMD has been nothing but rock solid and basically problem free. Most of the time I start having issues it is corrupt windows system files that can be repaired with the system file checker commands.
this is why I always go with nvidia
Never had an issue and bought AMD GPUs for the last 5 years. This is the typical Nvidia propaganda from fanboys trying to point out something that doesn't exist. Nvidia has also their known issues on their driver page, so go take a walk.
I have less issues on AMD than on Nvidia which was constantly breaking drivers and crashes at all times.
Because of what? Because both AMD and Nvidia have their own unique driver issues? So what's the benefit there if they can both cause problems as drivers are simply an extremely complex and effort-taking task to manage?
This is uncanny, I just completed it two weeks ago or so and well, the crashes were a total thing (Nvidia GPU though, not AMD)
6900XT here, literally no issues on FNV if I use (like is recommended in each guide) DXVK.
When i had my 6700 XT and played Fallout 3, 4 and New Vegas, i didn't experience any graphical bugs or driver stability issues. Granted, that perhaps was on some other driver versions, so i don't know how it is on more up-to-date driver versions, but generally no one should be surprised of a 14 year old Bugthesda title having issues like these. The game's engine is pretty old and issues like these are expectable in my opinion.
Thats why people buy Nvidia GPU's, they dont want to deal with this mess, rather just buy a GPU thats plug and play out of the box with 0 headaches.
i have both a 3090 and 6750 xt on different pc's had more issues with the 3090. they're both going to have problems.... brand loyalty is the reason they keep charging more money
I deal with that type of shit with every software i use, i can save a bit of money for dealing with it
Had the same mess with my favouite game a few years back, it took nVidia almost a year to fix. It happens with both.
I've had one issue with amd when cs2 just launched, never had any other issues, but my old laptop with an nvidia 930m on the other hand....
Go buy your next iPhone. 😂
I was playing fallout 4 VR , with no issue on my 6800xt from past 3 years .
Ghost of Tsushima literally crashes every 30 mins on my RX 7800 XT with the latest drivers
Had same issue. Game was patched specifically for this. Now it works for me fine.
When I first got my RX6700XT in June 2021 it would not run Fallout 4 any faster than 3 FPS or would freeze. Oddly enough Skyrim ran fine. I eventually just moved onto other games and didn't reinstall after a OS reload but with all of the Fallout craze lately I decided to see if FO4 runs now and yes it does. Maybe I can finish it now.
DXVK fixes this issue but yes please AMD fix this issue its been like this since Feb, 6700XT here
Weird, i did a play through recently of Fallout 3. 1440p locked 120 fps with lots of mods on a 6800 xt and it was great.
Yeah I am getting sick of having too DDU every update AMD needs to crack down on this
as someone who's not tech enthusiast, I remember the fact that mlid point out about bethesda choosing AMD on starfield not because getting sponsored but to make everyone sus at AMD and the important one is because they use Vulcan engine, which they need AMD as the creator of Vulcan to help them with their bug fixes so the blame should be on bethesda not amd
I wonder if the game would run in vulkan with dxvk on amd gpus and fix the issue, worth a shot, probably better anyway.
I've had serious crashes on warzone 3 and didn't know what was that about. I tested CPU and RAM but the problem were the GPU drivers. I downgraded to november driver and now I don't have that problem anymore. I have a rx6800
I was playing FO4 on my RDNA 2 GPU this year. The main issue was the screen freeze to white often near water, but I had the weapon debris setting off